Touch mapper for Xorg/XDOTool >> Kobos

Kobo Aura playing YouTube

Yeah

Nice

2:09 PM

That's awesome

I think I'll start messing around with my Clara soon

Nice!

What things would you suggest me to do overall?

3:10 PM

I'm planning on setting up an ssh server and set up a couple sync scripts, but from there on, about xorg I'm not sure of where to start

Hmm check my Xorg tutorial on Mobileread, it's in the 2nd page of the devs corner

3:22 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336210

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox - MobileRe...

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox Kobo Developer's Corner

3:22 PM

There

3:24 PM

@OfficerAction would it be useful if I provided you the logs of Chromium/Falkon crashing on my Libra?

tux-linux

@OfficerAction would it be useful if I provided you the logs of Chromium/Falkon crashing on my Libra?

maybe. I can take a look

ok will send them to you soon, as soon as I get them crashing ^^

@OfficerAction here are the logs for Falkon, it's an strace dump because it wasn't very verbose, and it starts where it tries to render a webpage but the render engine crashes

4:14 PM

18.89 KB

4:14 PM

and here is the standard log:

[root@storm ~]# falkon --no-sandbox
QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
libEGL warning: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast: Error loading shared library /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so: No such file or directory (search paths /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri)

libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
libEGL warning: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast: Error loading shared library /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so: No such file or directory (search paths /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri)

QXcbIntegration: Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled
QWebEngineUrlScheme::registerScheme: Too late to register scheme "falkon"
QWebEngineUrlScheme::registerScheme: Too late to register scheme "extension"
Please register the custom scheme 'falkon' via QWebEngineUrlScheme::registerScheme() before installing the custom scheme handler.
Please register the custom scheme 'extension' via QWebEngineUrlScheme::registerScheme() before installing the custom scheme handler.
Use of deprecated not thread-safe setter, use setUrlRequestInterceptor instead.
Falkon: 1 extensions loaded
^C
[root@storm ~]#

-> QXcbIntegration: Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled

it did that on the working kobos too

4:19 PM

although I'm going to verify just for sure

tux-linux

video out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkfPXQwNP94

:D

4:52 PM

what browser?

chromium

4:54 PM

v81

nice

OfficerAction

-> QXcbIntegration: Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled

What would you suggest to repair that?

Well the soc the kobos are using actually do not support GL or EGL. So you would have to force a software renderer somehow. But no idea how to do that or if it is even possible. Acually I wonder why it's working for the old devices at all.

@OfficerAction ok, here you go with the chromium log on the Libra: (edited)

https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/arm-processors/i-mx-applications-processors/i-mx-mature-processors/multimedia-applications-processors-low-power-optimization-integrated-electronic-paper-display-epd-arm-cortex-a8-core:i.MX507

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6:07 PM

the UI loads, but trying to load a webpage returns an "Aw, Snap!" error everytime

for falkon you could try falkon --no-sandbox --disable-gpu

I tried that with Chromium no luck

6:24 PM

I'm retrying now with the version in the 3.11 repo

6:25 PM

just tried with Falkon, didn't work either

well than i'm also out of ideas

Maybe the older boards have something that the newer ones don't have?

i thought so too but what could it be? (edited)

I don't know, really...

I checked and they all don't have a integrated gpu so no opengl

but why does it work so well on older models then?

6:29 PM

like chromium is 500x faster than Firefox

magic

probably ... ^^

6:29 PM

maybe it's a hidden feature, like if they didn't disclose it?

6:31 PM

what data sheet did you look at?

the newer ones seem to have a gpu though

some of them have

6:33 PM

but not the ones that kobo uses

maybe that it's that, the problem? if the newer ones have a GPU... then it's not compatible with Chromium rendering backend and for those who don't have one, software rendering works flawlessly

the newer ones use imx6sl and imx6sll they also dont have that

oh

6:35 PM

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/tree/master/hw

kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

Contribute to kobolabs/Kobo-Reader development by creating an account on GitHub.

6:35 PM

there. It lists all the hardware with imx6xxx seems that it broke when imx6sll came, because my Glo HD (imx6sl) worked with falkon and chromium

[18233:18233:0213/175630.120997:FATAL:page_allocator_internals_posix.h(215)] Check failed: !madvise(address, length, MADV_DONTNEED). 
Received signal 6

6:57 PM

that is one of the errors I get also

6:57 PM

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/lkgr/base/allocator/partition_allocator/page_allocator_internals_posix.h

maybe thats the main cause. but no idea what it means

7:01 PM

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/madvise.2.html

maybe it's not fatal, just a harmless warning ... don't know

it has many causes to fail

7:02 PM

maybe out of memory?

hmm unlikely, it ran fine on the Aura with 256MB of ram

well it does say fatal haha

yep... and the program doesn't end!

7:04 PM

I've got my Kindle PW3 with a SoloLite, will probably try running Chromium on it to see what makes it working (or not)

7:04 PM

but it apparently worked here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321982&page=2

PW3 Can run full blown Chromium browser on up-to-date Alpine Linux ...

Page 2-PW3 Can run full blown Chromium browser on up-to-date Alpine Linux Kindle Developer's Corner

that would be interesting

7:04 PM

ah

I'll provide the logs too

7:05 PM

That's really a weird situation

7:05 PM

what devices do you have with you?

only aura one

oh

7:06 PM

I was going to say that you could try it on a Mark 6 but it's a mark 6 and it doesn't work with yours... you tried it, iirc?

i did but i got another error so maybe something was wrong with my setup

what was the "another error"?

for falkon i am getting this

7:21 PM

Error relocating /usr/lib/libFalkonPrivate.so.3: ZN13QJsonDocument4swapERS: symbol not found Error relocating /usr/lib/libFalkonPrivate.so.3: _ZNK7QString5splitE5QChar6QFlagsIN2Qt18SplitBehaviorFlagsEENS2_15CaseSensitivityE: symbol not found Error relocating /usr/lib/libFalkonPrivate.so.3: _ZNK11QPushButton9hitButtonERK6QPoint: symbol not found Error relocating /usr/lib/libFalkonPrivate.so.3: _ZNK11QPushButton9hitButtonERK6QPoint: symbol not found

huh. musl-libc error then

7:22 PM

should not do that. What version are you on?

7:22 PM

compiling from source will fix it

not sure

i just used the image form the forum

okkk wot

7:25 PM

seems there are differences between devices

7:26 PM

hmm try cross-compiling it...? maybe? or try qutebrowser, it'll tell you if your Kobo has the rendering issue

7:26 PM

it's in the repos

FC joined the server. 2/13/2021 7:27 PM

hi!

Hello everyone

yeah, we're currently dealing with a mess of software rendering issues in chromium

7:28 PM

but I think @OfficerAction had a script for touch in the KA1

hello

Hi there

Could you share your script again, @OfficerAction ? I lost it in the devs corner in the Mobileread discord

7:29 PM

thanks

7:30 PM

@FC did you get the image on your Aura One? Or Clara?

Not yet. You means kobox image?

yep

7:31 PM

the RC-1

Just want to make sure my hardware is supported or not

7:31 PM

If yes, I will start to try

well it is supported, OfficerAction tested it with its Aura One

7:32 PM

but you could experience... problems

7:32 PM

like browsers crashing

It is ok. Just for fun. I am not reading book on kobo now.

ok!

7:32 PM

well you could start by downloading the image and follow the instructions in the thread

Yes. Thank you. Let me check the instructions first.

this goes to /root/.utils/

xorg-kobo-touch.py

2.46 KB

thanks!

and the modified startup script

kobox.sh

647 bytes

@FC, I'll give you instructions once it's up and running

Thank you all. I will come back to bother you guys later.

You'll have to install pip and some Python modules that I don't quite remember the names

7:34 PM

you aren't bothering us!

7:34 PM

good install!

Thank you for the files.

install pip and then run "pip3 install python-xlib evdev" (edited)

yep, for pip, it's apk add py3-pip

7:37 PM

did you try qutebrowser ?

yea i got the same kind of error

ouch

7:54 PM

hmmm I don't know what to say...

7:54 PM

try installing Xorg yourself, maybe?

7:54 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4077882

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox - MobileRe...

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox Kobo Developer's Corner

yea i will reinstall everything

nice, and thanks very much for staying there, contributing to the project!

Other than QtWebEngine, WebKitGTK and Gecko, are there other decent rendering engines that we could use?

8:57 PM

(and that would work)

qtwebengine uses chromium under the hood and these are all the decent ones afaik

hmm... sad

8:58 PM

any way to prevent Gecko from running out of ram (and make it faster) then?

ok I'll investigate then

9:19 PM

on the Kindle

9:21 PM

I didn't want to wear out too much the eMMC, so I squashfs-ed the image and set up a loop device on the kindle. Then I mounted some essential tmpfs so something can be "wrote" in the chroot. It's awesome that the Kindle's kernel support Squashfs. It would be awesome if Kobo added that to their eReaders

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

damn that seems to work relly well

Yeah I'm jealous

9:29 PM

https://github.com/schuhumi/alpine_kindle

schuhumi/alpine_kindle

Utilities to get Alpine Linux running on Kindles. Contribute to schuhumi/alpine_kindle development by creating an account on GitHub.

9:29 PM

there are even finger-scrolling, custom gestures and all the goodies

9:30 PM

but let's remember that the Kindle UI runs off an X server

9:30 PM

so I think we did a monstrous job getting that to work on Kobos

its true its a ton of work

10:01 PM

i have it running now

10:02 PM

but how can i customize mate-panel

10:02 PM

i want the fancy background from the forum image

also the top panel is way to small. how can i make it bigger

Hmm background: feh

10:22 PM

And for the DPI it's tricky

10:22 PM

I'll get back to you on it Maybe in 10 mins

ok

The picture is located (in the stock image) in /root/Pictures

it tried changing the dpi in the script but that kinda just made some icons bigger

Yep it's very, very, very tricky

10:23 PM

Try dpi.sh in the stock image

but falkon is working now. Janky as hell but working

WORKING ?

yea with youtube and all

mygod

10:25 PM

that's good news

10:26 PM

so we can add the KA1 to the "completely-supported" list

10:26 PM

that means you'll be able to run chromium (but honestly, stay with Falkon; it is faster) (edited)

well yea its still far from usable but its a start

x11vnc ?

10:27 PM

chroot /mnt/user /bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc

10:27 PM

and then connect with a VNC client on your computer

10:27 PM

It'll help you sort things out at least

10:28 PM

you can also check /kobox.sh in the sourceforge img to see how the thing is started

10:35 PM

@dill You might find this useful https://github.com/nickola/web-console

nickola/web-console

Simple web-based shell, remote shell in your browser - nickola/web-console

10:35 PM

We could set up a server with a loopback interface and there you go, you'd have a terminal in the stock browser! (although if you are offline, it could be a little difficult to start it)

10:42 PM

that seems promising https://github.com/wexond/desktop

wexond/desktop

A privacy-focused, extensible and beautiful web browser - wexond/desktop

10:43 PM

maybe that it'll work...

Hey, have you guys tried any console based browser?

yep, ELinks

10:47 PM

it isn't on par with the standards at all

I know it might not be the prittiest

yeah, Google works, maybe Wikipedia, but ... that's all

Well, it would need to support javascript and last time I tried to find something like that didn't have much luck

no, and although there's brow.sh it will crash because... you know... firefox

Hm..

10:49 PM

Well, I'm trying to get telnet access right now

devmodeon in the search bar

Wait, really?

yep!

Im actually tweaking the contexts of the sd

? contents ?

Contents*

10:50 PM

(yeah, android keyboard hahaha)

oh... but tweaking the contents? tweaking what?

The init script

oh

To start the telnet server

NO

10:51 PM

just do the devmodeon trick it'll work no problem

I was following this https://yingtongli.me/blog/2018/07/30/kobo-telnet.html

Hacking the Kobo Clara HD – 3: Gaining root telnet access

he didn't know of that way...

10:51 PM

I tried it once, didn't have much success

Just "devmodeon"?

yep

What should happen afterwards?

then telnet <Kobo IP>

10:52 PM

nothing

10:52 PM

just something saying like "no results found"

oh ok

10:52 PM

WOW

10:52 PM

nice

I told you...

thx

anyways that was easy, much more than the Kindles

10:53 PM

The jailbreak method I used consisted of injecting machine code by exploiting a CVE in the 5.6.5 firmware's web browser

n i c e

10:54 PM

Bet it's not the easiest thing ever

(well I didn't make it)

10:54 PM

https://github.com/sgayou/kindle-5.6.5-jailbreak/blob/master/doc/README.md

sgayou/kindle-5.6.5-jailbreak

Kindle 5.6.5 exploitation tools. Contribute to sgayou/kindle-5.6.5-jailbreak development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:54 PM

very interesting read, there you go

Okey, question

yep?

warning: Using 'initgroups' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking

11:14 PM

Trying to cross compile dropbear to have an ssh server running in the clara

Use NiLuJe's Stuff

I'm just following this so I'm pretty lost https://yingtongli.me/blog/2018/07/30/kobo-ssh.html

Hacking the Kobo Clara HD – 5: Setting up SSH

11:15 PM

From the forum?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254214

Aura H2O Yet another telnet/sshd & misc tools package... - MobileRe...

Aura H2O Yet another telnet/sshd & misc tools package... Kobo Developer's Corner

11:15 PM

It'll save you pain and effort (edited)

11:15 PM

but regarding the error, I don't do that much cross-compilation for my Kobo, if I had to compile Dropbear I'd have did it natively in an Alpine chroot, static build

tux-linux

Use NiLuJe's Stuff

^ this

11:16 PM

you can just use his alreay compiled stuff

11:17 PM

and if you want to get into crosscompiling you should setup a modern toolchain the one in the blogpost is outdated

I'd go with koxtoolchain or NickelTC

https://github.com/koreader/koxtoolchain

koreader/koxtoolchain

Build script for various toolchains used by KOReader - koreader/koxtoolchain

yep

11:18 PM

I built the emulator kernel using NickelTC

OfficerAction

and if you want to get into crosscompiling you should setup a modern toolchain the one in the blogpost is outdated

I was using the newer version, though

that's why it did cause you a problem

But anyways I'll try to get a toolchain working on the kobo itself

Alpine

11:19 PM

apk add gcc

Is there any specific reason why I should use the chroot?

package manager

11:20 PM

but yes, you mean "why couldn't I just unpack the minirootfs in the root of my Kobo?"

Sort of, yeah

11:21 PM

Or at least make a selection/mix of both things

it breaks musl-libc compatibility and it doesn't work well at all

neeevermind

but yea, compiling is OK on Kobos. Not the fastest you'll ever see, but it's... usable

11:22 PM

e.g. Natively compiling FBInk takes about 8 mins

it's an ssh server, shouldn't be too bad

yep I suggest you either make a static binary or you tell the compiler to use a bind-mounted sysroot (the real Kobo's root)

tux-linux

it breaks musl-libc compatibility and it doesn't work well at all

also, you'd be stuck with the 256MB of storage the rootfs partition has (unless you grow up the space)

Yeah, that's on the list too

11:25 PM

(of things to do)

also, do you think it would be great to have a service manager on Kobos? Like start <service> and stop <service>? Kindles have one and it's awesome

well what kind of services would you want to run?

maybe an http server, or some X server if we can manage to "merge" the Alpine and the stock rootfs

tux-linux

@dill You might find this useful https://github.com/nickola/web-console

:O

1:22 AM

Useful!!!

1:29 AM

@tux-linux: Got my SD card out of my Mini but idk how to format it...

1:29 AM

On Windows rn

1:29 AM

No access to Ubuntu currently

oh

1:31 AM

wait a sec

ahh

1:35 AM

have to go

Discord on the Kindle!

4:47 AM

And... i'm currently sending you this message from the Kindle!

4:49 AM

(although it would probably work with Kobos like the Glo HD and the Aura One)

tux-linux

Discord on the Kindle!

7:29 PM

AWESOME

Yep, and it's even FAST

7:31 PM

should not be as fast on the Mini though

7:31 PM

but I almost got it working on the Aura, which has the same RAM

nice!

yep I'm searching for a way to tell Firefox to eat up less RAM

7:32 PM

but not having so much success so far

@OfficerAction did you look into cross compiling Palemoon?

hey well it has quite a bit of dependencies: gtk2 dbus-glib desktop-file-utils libxt mime-types alsa-lib startup-notification python2 autoconf2.13 unzip zip yasm libpulse you would have to cross compile all of them first and judging from my experience you have to fiddle around for a while almost every time. unfortunately my free time is limited

Hmm yeah... I'll try anyway, because webkitgtk is garbage on kobos

go for it!

yep, I'll try to compile it on an emulated Debian virtual machine with 8192MB of RAM (even on the Pi, it didn't want to compile because it lacked memory)

9:10 PM

also, the developers were kind enough to set up a script that wraps the thing with all required dependencies in a tgz but do you think compiling with glibc instead of musl-libc will render it incompatible with Alpine?

yes it wont be compatible. if you compile for glibc the programs will specifically look for that and if it's not there it wont run.

oh so I should set up an Alpine Linux VM then?

maybe that would be the easiest solution

9:41 PM

oh wait maybe that wont make life easier because you still have to crosscompile

alpine vm

9:41 PM

qemu-system-arm (edited)

uhhm

but is there a way to do it with debian? It's installing right now

it should work but it wont be very fast i think

of course not

9:42 PM

won't matter, really if it finishes compiling in 2 weeks, we'll be lucky

there are 2 ways musl offers some way to set it up directly

9:44 PM

maybe you should try that i am also curious how well that works

9:44 PM

https://wiki.musl-libc.org/getting-started.html

musl libc - Getting started

hmm yep I'll have to figure out how to pass it to the mozconfig or mach build system

make TARGET=arm-linux-musleabihf GCC_CONFIG="--with-arch=armv7-a --with-fpu=vfpv3-d16"

9:45 PM

try that

hmm no for palemoon it's something like mach build and all lives in the.mozconfig file

thats for the toolchain

oooh

you have to build it first

ok so I'll have to do the section Using the musl-gcc wrapper and use the make command you provided instead?

read through the thing but basically yea

ok

9:50 PM

once I'll get Debian installed I'll get back to you on that

it seems musl on the other hand is tuned for static builds. it might be possible to run some musl apps even without the alpine chroot if they are statically built

yep but as far as I could read, Palemoon doesn't offer any static build option without some... annoying headaches

if you can link in libmusl statically its already enough

you mean statically building musl?

i mean statically link to the app.

11:13 PM

so its bundeled together

and how would you do that? sorry, I don't have much experience in compiling things (I mean, I can, but there are some things I don't understand very well sometimes)

probably just add -static to the cflags

11:17 PM

have to try

when compiling palemoon?

any app

yep that I know but if I remember correctly Palemoon doesn't want/can't be compiled statically as simple as that

maybe they just mean completly static, because it has lots of other dependencies. but as i said if musl is linked statically its already a win

11:20 PM

and it should be possible. the apps from the package manager are also statically linked with musl.

11:20 PM

maybe they even run on a non chroot system...

well, I'll try, but I can't promise of anything... If I packed the QEMU image like the one for the emulator and it had all the dependencies already installed, would you be willing to try to compile it?

OfficerAction

maybe they even run on a non chroot system...

IIRC Busybox ran even outside the chroot, so maybe yes, but some other programs didn't (they were linked to dynamic libraries)

tux-linux

IIRC Busybox ran even outside the chroot, so maybe yes, but some other programs didn't (they were linked to dynamic libraries)

maybe you just have to fix the library paths so the apps can find the dependencies

in a nutshell, that's what the chroot does (essentially), right?

tux-linux

well, I'll try, but I can't promise of anything... If I packed the QEMU image like the one for the emulator and it had all the dependencies already installed, would you be willing to try to compile it?

if you have everything in an qemu imge you can also compile it yourself it shouldnt be hard at that point

...will try... with Debian, right?

as you want

it's still installing

actually i am also installing the toolchain right now

nice

ah just finished

11:24 PM

just took about an hour

but the toolchain would be for cross-compiling?

11:24 PM

(i guess)

yep

ok that's nice Was it like an unattended setup where it downloaded all the sources, built the three-stage GCC + binutils and the like?

yea its all nicely scripted up

what's the name of the toolchain?

um gcc for arm-linux-musleabihf

oh ok

its basicall just a regular gcc just built to compile for arm

Yep I did try that with koxtoolchain; worked pretty well

11:27 PM

I compiled https://github.com/llandsmeer/inkvt with it

llandsmeer/inkvt

Experimental VT100 terminal emulator for Kobo e-readers - llandsmeer/inkvt

yea that also works

11:28 PM

thats the other way

other way?

before i said there are 2 ways

oh ok so you meant that there was the cross-compiling and native compiling way (VM)

nono the koxtoolchain and the musl toolchain are both for crosscompiling and both can be made to work (probably) but lets try the musl one

oooooooh ok then

11:35 PM

btw, I'm trying to access an Alpine Linux rootfs via chroot on my x86_64 PC. I'm doing this: sudo chroot . /usr/bin/qemu-arm /bin/bash but it spits out that: chroot: failed to run command ‘/usr/bin/qemu-arm’: No such file or directory and if I run this, you can see that it's clearly there:

[nicolas@archiso kindle]$ ls usr/bin | grep qemu
qemu-arm

any clue?

what that does is it tries to start qemu iside the chroot. it wont work that way

11:38 PM

maybe try qemu-arm ./bin/bash

oh

11:39 PM

I copied the dynamically linked binary instead of the static one

11:39 PM

now it works

ok

[nicolas@archiso kindle]$ sudo chroot . /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /bin/bash
bash-5.0#

11:39 PM

thanks anyway

I think I'll end up compiling on an Alpine chroot inside Debian, because running it on plain QEMU is not trivial especially for the armv7 one

i mistakenly thought i could do the memory upgrade mod on my mini

1:25 AM

so now im flashing a factory img with etcher

1:25 AM

davidfor is a lifesaver

1:29 AM

@tux-linux do you know how to create a new role?

1:34 AM

hm

1:34 AM

seems like i just had to force a reboot and it worked fine

1:34 AM

yay

a new role?

1:48 AM

suggestion: with ubuntu, dd the sd card image and then you'll be able to flash it on 16GB sd cards without the hassle of resizing the onboard partition every time

yeah thats a big hassle

2:00 AM

but finally finished

2:00 AM

yeah, create 2 new roles: developer and tester

dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=sd.img

2:01 AM

but roles ? where ?

oh ok I think I got it

@tux-linux have you thought about trying to compile stuff on the new server? (edited)

4:26 AM

It should be a decent processor, but with the virtualization overhead idk if it would be worth trying

ooooooooh

4:36 AM

that'd be awesome

4:36 AM

I'll try it tomorrow!

The overhead might be a pain, but it'd be interesting to try it out

yep

On the Kobo Aura now!!

Took me 1 hour to log in and it has not even finished loading the main page But I didn't think it'd have gotten so far With 512mb RAM on more recent Kobos it should be better though

epic

ok, I'm throwing myself into this mess. Going to compile Palemoon! hopefully I won't have too much of why-is-this-happening-to-me-and-no-one-else-has-the-same-problem moments, but we'll see!

@everyone OK so any willing testers of future KoBox images here? We'll need you in the next weeks/months!

i am a willing tester, will volunteer my mini although it probably isnt much help (as you have a Mini too)

well, it doesn't matter, you'll be able to provide feedback, a thing that us, developers, value most importantly We'll probably do an OOBE setup, so you'll probably want to test that

(edited)

oobe? i'm not familiar with that term sorry :\

5:03 AM

gotta go bye

Out-Of-the-Box-Experience

5:05 AM

kinda like Microsoft Windows first-time setup

NICE (edited)

yep

Ok for me 3 model thinks

2:58 PM

Aura H2O aura one et aura1 emcc

nice! we'll send you development snapshots for testing soon!

Ahhhh that is great

[root@(none) /]# uname -a
Linux (none) 2.6.35.3-850-gbc67621 #2 PREEMPT Tue Feb 16 18:25:10 EST 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux
[root@(none) /]#

Successfully (at last) compiled a new kernel for my Kobo Mini! Actually, I always did not do make oldconfig when compiling it... what an idiot was I... (because there was already a config file there, so I didn't think that it should've been reconfigured) Now I'm building one with kexec support and that will (hopefully) print the bootlog to the framebuffer! Isn't that great

@Elektron, if you want, I'll send you the uImage if you want to test it

@fermino Maybe we'll experience with that...

tux-linux

Ahhhh that is great

[root@(none) /]# uname -a
Linux (none) 2.6.35.3-850-gbc67621 #2 PREEMPT Tue Feb 16 18:25:10 EST 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux
[root@(none) /]#

Successfully (at last) compiled a new kernel for my Kobo Mini! Actually, I always did not do make oldconfig when compiling it... what an idiot was I... (because there was already a config file there, so I didn't think that it should've been reconfigured) Now I'm building one with kexec support and that will (hopefully) print the bootlog to the framebuffer! Isn't that great

@Elektron, if you want, I'll send you the uImage if you want to test it

YES!

3:23 AM

definitely send it please :D

3:23 AM

i'll be more than happy to test it out

tux-linux

@fermino Maybe we'll experience with that...

I remember seeing a "sound architecture thingy" in my dmesg log...

but...

3:25 AM

the stock kernel config boots (that's nice)

3:25 AM

but once I change just ONE bit of the .config (CONFIG_KEXEC), the Mini just doesn't want to boot wonderful, isn't it?

yup...

it's like it's knowing I'm doing something I'm not supposed to do

but are you

3:26 AM

lol

well

3:26 AM

at least I'm glad that I got the kernel on the device without having to reflash the SD again

you did?

yep, only the stock config

3:26 AM

make oldconfig

nice

3:27 AM

so if i test out your kernel (great work btw), i'd have to flash an img, right?

no, just the uImage

3:27 AM

dd if=uImage of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=2048 (edited)

3:28 AM

it writes it to an MBR sector of the SD (not in any partition) (edited)

so in the unallocated space?

well, it's actually before the rootfs partition

3:29 AM

like --- some hidden data there (dtb, kernel, u-boot, etc) + rootfs + recoveryfs + onboard

oh ok

i can share the uimage now

3:30 AM

uImage-orig

1.81 MB

3:30 AM

put it in /mnt/onboard

thanks, post the instructions here; i have to go eat

3:30 AM

sorry

and then (telnet/ssh) dd if=/mnt/onboard/uImage-orig of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=2048

3:31 AM

after: reboot

3:31 AM

(pray and hope it doesn't brick the device, but it should be fine)

tux-linux

but once I change just ONE bit of the .config (CONFIG_KEXEC), the Mini just doesn't want to boot wonderful, isn't it?

@fermino do you have any clue on this? thx

@tux-linux is this good

then reboot

k

3:52 AM

crossing my fingers...

yep...

3:53 AM

hm but what F/W are you on?

3:53 AM

it won't work if it's not the stock one

stock firmware

3:53 AM

yay, it booted and nickel is running

well 2.1 or 4.26?

4.25

hm really?

3:53 AM

oh that's great then

yeah

3:54 AM

just had to sideload the glo f/w

you know a new update came out today?

yep

3:54 AM

updating it now actually

well now you can run uname -a to enjoy a 2021 kernel

3:55 AM

but apart of that, you won't get any reward except that the device's not bricked ;p

:D

(at least for now though)

so will kobox run?

no

3:55 AM

theoritically no

3:55 AM

but

3:56 AM

let me try with a different ... kernel? nvm it'll never boot

so this kernel isnt compatible with kobox?

I mean, if it hasn't booted when I changed a config option, if I change the entire kernel it will be a mess

yeah

no, sadly but we could succeed and implement some sort of 3.0 kernel that would work if we knew what was going on when booting ah I wish I had a serial connection set up

3:58 AM

I can send you the non-working one, look at the pattern the light flashes after that, reflash the working one on your PC with Ubuntu (or maybe WSL?) with the same command

non-working what?

uimage

3:59 AM

the light flashes differently, you'll see

i cant use ubuntu for the foreseeable future though, have to stick with wsl for now

3:59 AM

wsl is windows sub-linux, right? (edited)

uImage

1.82 MB

3:59 AM

i think do you have like a /dev/mmcblk0 in WSL?

no idea

ls /dev | grep mmc

i need an sqlite reader... to read koboreader.sqlite

huh you lost me there what? why would you need to read the sqlite file?

i need to edit something

sudo apt install sqlite3

4:02 AM

but that's CLI though I don't know of GUI clients, let me check

got one

oh ok

called sqlite trek

you really should see my Mac's Debian screensavers now each time it's a different one and it seems the computer has a seizure like the screen is going crazy and it prints random patterns that don't make any sense

4:04 AM

I installed Debian i686 on it to use the 32 bit toolchain by KoboLabs

heh

4:07 AM

whats the best linux distro in your opinion?

hmm

4:07 AM

well Arch is pretty good for most of the use you're going to make out of it

4:08 AM

but I also like Gentoo and Linux From Scratch

i remember seeing something like "damn small linux"

Debian-based are pretty good too, but kind of in the heavier side

4:08 AM

yep, it existed

hahah

last stable is from 2008 ;p

lol

but there's Slax also

4:09 AM

https://www.slax.org

Slax Linux - your pocket operating system

Slax is a modern, portable, small and fast Linux operating system.

4:09 AM

(in the small ones)

4:10 AM

and other ones could be like SliTaz Linux (50 MB iso), Tiny Core Linux (16MB iso, yep!), Puppy Linux and FatDog64 Linux

4:10 AM

also, that one is pretty neat too, I tried it, it's nice https://github.com/ivandavidov/minimal

ivandavidov/minimal

Minimal Linux Live (MLL) is a tiny educational Linux distribution, which is designed to be built from scratch by using a collection of automated shell scripts. Minimal Linux Live offers a core envi...

ooo arch looks nice!

yep, it is actually nice

4:13 AM

like honestly, it's not hard to install it (well OK, I must have done it more than 15 times but still, it's pretty straightforward compared to GENTOO install process https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation/en) (edited)

unfortunately, im "still too young" to have a laptop

but what do you have then?

a pc, another pc, and a laptop

4:13 AM

all of them are family ones

oh

4:14 AM

that's not cool

yup

I understand why you want to use your Kobo as a computer then (edited)

yep...

I totally agree

been tryna do it since i was 11

Yeah, me I got one in August, and I stopped going on Mobileread for some months because I didn't find the addons I wanted, and I didn't have the skills to develop them

4:15 AM

but now... now that we figured out how to run Xorg on Kobos sky's the limit

yes

4:15 AM

btw, i found me an android image for the kobo glo

(well as soon as we fix that darn touch input thing)

4:16 AM

but it's pretty old, is it?

4:16 AM

like 2.3?

yep

4:16 AM

2013

I used that once on a phone and it was garbage quick sidenote: the phone too had 256MB of RAM. worst thing is that it was running Android

4:16 AM

which slowed down things painfully

4:17 AM

if it ran Nickel, it would've been fine

dang

yeah imagine if we got a SIM card tray in a Kobo lol

4:17 AM

and we created a custom app integrated into nickel to send sms and make phone calls

hahaha yes

4:17 AM

and now its time to get off

that'd be awesome and we'd have an audio jack too for music

yes!!

4:18 AM

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBswMXYq5I58wAPr6ZYmKX-_ERSujvyI/view?usp=sharing

2013-11-23_Android_Kobo_Glo.7z

4:18 AM

here's the android img

4:18 AM

bye

but it runs on the Mini?

4:18 AM

bye

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4:18 AM

no

I tried it once and it didn't work i think I have to take the one for the Touch

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tux-linux

@fermino do you have any clue on this? thx

Not really, is that within the kernel options or something else?

tux-linux

and we created a custom app integrated into nickel to send sms and make phone calls

well, if we get USB OTG working then this is a piece of cake

1:33 PM

Or if we can have any sort of serial comm, making a custom module shouldnt be too hard

1:34 PM

(I'm actually making a dog tracker to keep my dogs inside the place, and a friend is doing something similar but with GSM too)

1:37 PM

'key, I found it. This is the Clara, and it has a serial port there

1:38 PM

What I don't know is where it goes (when I'm back home which won't happen for a week at least) I can set up a usb-serial dongle and see what it outputs

1:39 PM

This, for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=85C7-JBTVQY&ab_channel=TheWhiteByte

The White Byte

Serial Output From a Damaged Kobo

1:39 PM

So we might get some hints about the kernel with that

Of course thanks!

1:43 PM

I don't have the equipment for that

1:43 PM

If it works, can you share how you got it running? Thx

Sure

fermino

Not really, is that within the kernel options or something else?

Yep it's in .config (CONFIG_KEXEC)

1:49 PM

If you want, I'll compile a kernel with the default configuration for the Clara and you'll be able to test it with serial, and if it works we'll add features to the kernel!

Sure, that'd be great

(until it breaks)

hahahah

I'll do it tonight

I won't be home for another week, though

1:50 PM

And I don't have a usb-serial adapter here :c

Found it

https://www.postfrontal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8807&whichpage=2

1:58 PM

@tux-linux @dill do a ls /dev when you guys can plz

@tux-linux where is the apk binary supposed to be?

2:09 PM

@tux-linux should the chroot set a new $PATH automatically?

Weeeell, I think I broke something

2:23 PM

Also http://gethighstayhigh.co.uk/kobo-self-build/

gethighs

Kobo Self Build - Get High, Stay High

Which Kobo Model? Your new Kobo – firmware update Your new Kobo – backup the SD Card Connecting an instrument to a Kobo – overview Removing the rear cover Inside a Kobo – Serial port Inside a Kobo – SD Card Inside a Kobo – Battery Dissembling a Kobo Connecting a Bluefly to the Kobo … Continue reading Kobo Self Build →

2:23 PM

There's all sort of stuff for serial comms in the kobos

Did you mount /dev/pts?

2:26 PM

mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts

Oh, that might be why

Add that in the rcS

2:26 PM

(take out the SD and edit the file)

It's updating now, anyways

For emergency things you might also want to enable telnet busybox telnetd -F No.. it's already enabled. Sorry Also don't forget to mkdir /dev/pts after dev is mounted (edited)

fermino

@tux-linux where is the apk binary supposed to be?

sbin

fermino

Also http://gethighstayhigh.co.uk/kobo-self-build/

That's a life saver, thanks

thx

2:32 PM

Does the init script get reset after an update?

I think so, yes

@tux-linux are you close by your kobo?

2:35 PM

Btw Palemoon is still compiling

2:35 PM

Hmm yes, but not for a very long time

ls /dev/tty*

Ok

There should be a ttymxc0 device

I'll do it on my Aura

2:36 PM

Yep it's serial, right?

Yeap

2:37 PM

That opens up quite a bit of possibilities for mods/addons

Doesn't seem to be there

Any other suspicious tty*?

Oh my bad it is indeed there

nice

fermino

That opens up quite a bit of possibilities for mods/addons

Of course, but it might be difficult to get all users to solder serial cables to their Kobos... ;p

Well, that

2:42 PM

hahaha

Check also /proc/cmdline Might be of interest for you

niiice

2:43 PM

But what is it?

2:43 PM

xD

Kernel boot command

2:44 PM

Also there's the uboot one in /etc/uboot

2:44 PM

Or /etc/u-boot Don't quite remember

Yeap, /etc/u-boot

2:45 PM

This is nice, now we now it runs at 115200baud/s:

cat /proc/cmdline 
console=ttymxc0,115200 rootwait rw no_console_suspend hwcfg_p=0x9ffffe00 hwcfg_sz=110 waveform_p=0x9fd70000 waveform_sz=2686291 ntxfw_p=0x9fd6da00 ntxfw_sz=9474 mem=509M boot_port=1 rootfstype=ext4 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 quiet

2:45 PM

At least the kernel info output

I wonder if it's editable

2:46 PM

Eg if you change mem to 256 and reboot

Well, the git method works like a charm

[root@kobo ]# pwd
/
[root@kobo ]# ls
bin    dev    etc    home   lib    media  mnt    opt    proc   root   run    sbin   srv    sys    tmp    usr    var
[root@kobo ]# uname -r
4.1.15-00089-ga2737fc02713
[root@kobo ]# git status
On branch main
Your branch is up to date with 'origin/main'.

Changes not staged for commit:
  (use "git add/rm <file>..." to update what will be committed)
  (use "git restore <file>..." to discard changes in working directory)
    deleted:    dev/.gitkeep
    modified:   etc/apk/world
    modified:   lib/apk/db/installed
    modified:   lib/apk/db/scripts.tar
    modified:   lib/apk/db/triggers
    deleted:    proc/.gitkeep
    deleted:    run/.gitkeep
    deleted:    sys/.gitkeep
    deleted:    tmp/.gitkeep

Untracked files:
  (use "git add <file>..." to include in what will be committed)
    .ash_history
    .gitignore
    etc/apk/protected_paths.d/ca-certificates.list
    etc/ca-certificates.conf
    etc/ca-certificates/
    etc/nanorc
    etc/resolv.conf
    etc/terminfo/
    usr/bin/c_rehash
    usr/bin/git
    usr/bin/git-receive-pack
    usr/bin/git-shell
    usr/bin/git-upload-archive
    usr/bin/git-upload-pack
    usr/bin/nano
    usr/bin/rnano
    usr/bin/xmlwf
    usr/lib/libcurl.so.4
    usr/lib/libcurl.so.4.6.0
    usr/lib/libexpat.so.1
    usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.6.11
    usr/lib/libformw.so.6
    usr/lib/libformw.so.6.2
    usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
    usr/lib/libmagic.so.1
    usr/lib/libmagic.so.1.0.0
    usr/lib/libmenuw.so.6
    usr/lib/libmenuw.so.6.2
    usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6
    usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6.2
    usr/lib/libnghttp2.so.14
    usr/lib/libnghttp2.so.14.20.0
    usr/lib/libpanelw.so.6
    usr/lib/libpanelw.so.6.2
    usr/lib/libpcre2-8.so.0
    usr/lib/libpcre2-8.so.0.10.0
    usr/lib/libpcre2-posix.so.2
    usr/lib/libpcre2-posix.so.2.0.3
    usr/libexec/
    usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates
    usr/share/ca-certificates/
    usr/share/git-core/
    usr/share/misc/magic.mgc
...

3:14 PM

@tux-linux if it's okay with you I'll add git and nano to the base layout

Yep

3:40 PM

Add vim too

Sure

3:41 PM

The coolest thing is that we can do a git checkout and get the whole system back to a known good state

GREAT

3:54 PM

That actually means it worked

Yep haha

welp

Install openssh-client

yeah, it's done

Or clone via https

Can I push through https?

Yep

5:02 PM

It's actually simpler than ssh

fatal: unable to access 'https://alpinekobox.ddns.net:3000/Alpine-KoBox/base-layout/': error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number

5:02 PM

we had that same problem at work the other day

5:03 PM

fixed

Oooooh That's not good

5:11 PM

Are you on v3.13?

Nop

But how did you fix it?

It was only when I went against the ddns domain

5:11 PM

But with the proxy works fine

Ok

Anyways I'm trying to use ssh bc I don't want to hardcode the password

Oh yeah

oks, now it works

5:14 PM

I needed to mount /dev/pts I think

5:15 PM

Theere we go

5:15 PM

Nice!

When you have a moment please try if this works

6:29 PM

http://alpinekobox.ddns.net:3000/Alpine-KoBox/base-layout

base-layout

6:29 PM

Everything should be working, but you'll have to create proc and sys before chrooting into it

6:30 PM

http://alpinekobox.ddns.net:3000/Alpine-KoBox/base-layout/archive/main.tar.gz

Ok

I'll write up a 'Guidelines' file for those who want to develop with the provided rootfs

Does gitea have a repo wiki feature?

10:09 PM

Btw I added some issues if you want to take a look at them

Nice, I'll take a look! Should be back home an hour from now

10:36 PM

I'll see for the wiki

10:41 PM

There seems to be a wiki tab (edited)

Ok I'm back at home. I'll start testing things on my Glo HD

news for the mini and kernel seems that compiling Marek Gibek's kernel optimized for Xorg works and boots fine https://github.com/marek-g/kobo-kernel-2.6.35.3-marek/blob/linux/build_instructions but as soon as I enable CONFIG_KEXEC, it 1) green light on 2) blue light on for ~10 secs 3) blue light shuts down and then it's powered off @fermino, I think I'll buy a serial port kit too

marek-g/kobo-kernel-2.6.35.3-marek

Kernel for kobo glo, mini, touch (imx507) with changes for running X11 - marek-g/kobo-kernel-2.6.35.3-marek

@tux-linux just make sure the signals are 3.3V or it might damage the port in the processor

2:00 AM

If you want I can take a look at it before you buy it

ok I might try it on my Glo HD, since it's already half-destroyed, so it won't bother me if it breaks ;p

2:00 AM

of course, please, if you want!

Or well, if you have a rpi you can direct connect it with some wires

yes I know but would it be easier with just the converter kit?

Honestly it would be easier with the rpi

2:01 AM

I mean, it's literally just the same

we don't have soldering equipment for that at home, so I'll have to ask my father which is engineer to do it at his job

And with the rpi you're sure the signals are 3.3V

is it the same voltage for all Kobo models?

It should, technically

2:02 AM

I don't really know, though

2:02 AM

Technically = I'm totally guessing hahaha

2:03 AM

In any case, if you only use the tx line (in the kobo) you should be safe as it only transmits and the rpi receives

ok I looked into some docs for serial on RPis, but would it be possible to do it without soldering?

Hm...

oh and I looked at my Glo HD's PCB it has 3 serial connections

Can you take a pic?

yep

2:04 AM

it's uploading

I can take a look at the NXP datasheets to see the signal voltage

thx

Maybe tomorrow, but for debugging the kernel output you should be safe

If you want to transmit to the kobo then I'd double check to make sure (or if you have an oscilloscope (or an arduino) take a look at the tx output voltage

don't have either of them

2:05 AM

:/

Woah, 3

2:06 AM

If all of them works that's waay useful

but for the wires, it'd be like one in the rx hole and one in the rpi?

You need to connect ground

2:06 AM

Gnd

2:07 AM

And then yes, for now it would be TXD (Kobo) to RXD (rpi)

you should check your clara's PCB too; I missed those two while looking at the board and then I discovered them an hour ago

2:07 AM

ok... like I could "roll" the cables on the RPi's GPIO?

And GND to GND

2:07 AM

Roll?

2:07 AM

Didn't get you there haha

well, how would I connect them?

2:08 AM

(keeping contact)

On the rpi side it has some dupont connectors

2:09 AM

And on the kobo, you could try to hold it by hand but it will be hard and will kindof complicate it

2:09 AM

Specially because you're gonna be trying to debug the kernel

I could "glue" it maybe? tape?

And the better the connection the less amounts of points of failure we would have

If you somehow manage to have it in contact, I don't see why not

that's my RPi GPIO

Your dad might not like it though (?

yep, but he knows what I'm talking about when I tell him about serial things and all

2:11 AM

actually he might know more than myself on that thing (edited)

For sure, I would ask him for some help

certainly

Trying to debug stuff like that is not easy

2:12 AM

You never know if it's your fault or other thing hahaha

but I didn't get you on the 'dupont connector' thing my RPi doesn't seem to have one...

I'll send a pic

well I searched on google

2:12 AM

but I don't have that right now

2:14 AM

btw if you didn't already buy the serial converter, you might like to buy the RPi Zero instead will serve you more in the future I guess ^^

yeaaaaaaaah might have that somewhere

Those are the dupont connectors

2:14 AM

And the rpi has a 2xtwenty-something male header

tux-linux

btw if you didn't already buy the serial converter, you might like to buy the RPi Zero instead will serve you more in the future I guess ^^

I have a rpi at home, but it's a rpi B I think

2:15 AM

Ooold

oh

2:15 AM

so theoritically you wouldn't need to buy a converter

And a couple of converters too hahah

oh you already have one

Yeap

2:16 AM

I've been working on electronics for quite a while

2:16 AM

Never done any professional project, though

2:16 AM

But if I could work with electronics I'd do it

not to be intrusive or anything, but in what domain are you working on?

2:17 AM

i'm just curious

Programming!

that's nice

Your good, mate!

2:17 AM

Php, mostly

2:17 AM

And nodejs

great I know a bit of NodeJS no php though

You're not missing anything out! Hahahah

2:17 AM

Pho is good, but everyone hates it

2:18 AM

What I truly love is C (even though I don't know a lot)

but do you hate it?

2:18 AM

yep me too

Nah, I don't, it has its place and purpose and it's good at it

It's miles better than Python

And I honestly quite like it

but you surely know more than me in C

Idk

2:19 AM

I've done some things with electronics

2:19 AM

But almost nothing on pc

2:19 AM

So it's mostly a weird mix between low level C++ and mid level C

well you'll learn with Kobos

(C++ with classes and without stdlib)

oh

So it's mostly C with classes hahaha

you lost me there ;p

On microcontrollers you don't have lots of ram so you usually try to stay on statically reserved memory as long as you can

yep, microcontrollers are very interesting, might buy one soon

You're good! You know what POO is?

2:21 AM

OOP* in english

hmm no let me look it up on google

2:21 AM

oh yea

tux-linux

yep, microcontrollers are very interesting, might buy one soon

There is something really cool called MixroPython, you might like it

yep I've definitely done some extensive use of it with Python

2:22 AM

yeah, I know

tux-linux

yep I've definitely done some extensive use of it with Python

Well, C++ supports OOP, but C doesn't

ok

2:23 AM

so it's like a mix of C/C++

So I've mostly used C++, but without stdlib

2:23 AM

And most of the things end up being mostly plain C

fermino

You're good! You know what POO is?

Well here in French it's called "Programmation orientée objet"

tux-linux

Well here in French it's called "Programmation orientée objet"

Nice

2:24 AM

French is on my list of languages to learn, after Italian

well you speak Spanish, right?

Yeap

it shouldn't be too difficult

I also know some Haitian Kreyole

2:25 AM

So I (not really but we'll xD) can catch up some french in movies and so

2:25 AM

Well*

but to come back to the rpi, what should I do with the dupont connector? find one and connect one wire to the kobo, and the end of the cable to the GPIO?

2:26 AM

nice

You'd need two cables

for tx/rx?

2:26 AM

or tx/gnd

You should solder it, if possible

2:26 AM

Tx/gnd for now

2:27 AM

And after you have it soldered you connect the dupont end

2:27 AM

To the rpi

2:27 AM

GND to GND

2:27 AM

And tx (kobo) to rx (rpi)

ok... so 1. find a dupont connector 2. connect the dupont end (GND) to the rpi and gnd to the kobo 3. somehow connect the wire on the Kobo on TX and keep it there and connect the dupont end (RX) to the rpi

2:28 AM

right?

Yeah

2:29 AM

If you're not soldering you probably want to connect it to the rpi first

guess the hardest step is going to be step 1

Probably

2:30 AM

Well

where could I find one?

If you have old hardware around

yep, lots of old hardware here

You can find one inside an old computer

2:30 AM

The cables that go to the led/switches are the same ones

ok there's an old 286 pc there ... maybe...?

likely

like oooooh the ones that you connect to hard drives, for ... power? hmm no, right?

Nope

2:31 AM

Smaller

2:31 AM

The ones that go to the front of the cade

?fans?

Case*

2:32 AM

Fans coouuld work

ok I'll go and look now

But might not, it really depends on the connector

2:32 AM

But if it has a case and you can destroy one of the front LEDs or switches, you have one for granted

oh

2:33 AM

that's interesting

2:33 AM

even like a case from 1992?

Even more likely

ok I'll go and check

It's probably connected to the bottom right of the motherboard

wait I'll show you a pic

2:36 AM

That is old

2:37 AM

And awesome

2:37 AM

Never seen a working pc with ISA slots

yep, notice the ram stick?

2:37 AM

that?

You sure you can destroy it? (Well or at least take a cable?)

2:37 AM

Yes

2:37 AM

Exactly that

I'll see where it goes

2:38 AM

but it's semi-working, sometimes the keyboard isn't detected

The ram is on the top, right?

yep, those fat sticks you see

tux-linux

but it's semi-working, sometimes the keyboard isn't detected

Then I'd take the cable of one LED

2:38 AM

Cables*

2:38 AM

The pair

2:38 AM

So you still have working switched

yeah of course, maybe the one of the "turbo" button ^^

2:39 AM

Hahaha yes

2:39 AM

Woah

2:39 AM

And where is the processor?

hmm let me show you...

Oh, btw, the GND cable you can connect it to a screw in the kobo pcb

oh ok

And I'm thinking

2:41 AM

You know those things you use to clean in between your teeth?

2:41 AM

Idk the name

2:41 AM

Those tiny wooden sticks?

hmm don't know either

2:41 AM

we'll call it "things"

2:41 AM

not the main one, but worth showing

Toothpick

yeah

You might get away with one of those and the tx pin

2:42 AM

To hold it in place

2:42 AM

yep maybe that seems to be the main one

Oh that actually is a 286

2:43 AM

That's awesome

is it?

I think so

it runs windows 3.1 fine

Newer models didn't have the math coprocessor

but well if you say that it's so valuable I might try another "brontosaure" as we say it in french in my house

2:44 AM

it's a PC with one of the first AMDs

I mean, the connector is not a big deal

2:45 AM

The motherboard is what's worth it ^^

Well I know it's just nice to see the orange Turbo light

Hahahahah

But how would you value the board? Not that I want to sell it, but I didn't think it was worth anything

Well, it's one of those things I've never seen in front of me

2:46 AM

And I've had lots of old motherboards

2:46 AM

But never a working one

2:46 AM

And I'm kindof in love with old tech

2:47 AM

So is my dad

fermino

And I'm kindof in love with old tech

Nice me too

It's probably more a "how cool!!" Value than monetary value

Oh ok that's still nice

2:48 AM

If you look at the picture, the fan is not lying It's really like if a volcano was exploding when the PC is turned on (edited)

Hahahah

No, seriously It's even worse than my internet switch

I'm putting my bets (? On the white-green cable

2:50 AM

I can believe it hahahah

Yep seems good

I'm pretty sure it's the power LED

2:52 AM

Would it not be "power switch"?

2:52 AM

Ha found you power led

2:53 AM

But there are three holes on the connector though

Yeap, that's the switch

2:53 AM

Hm

2:53 AM

Well, before anything let's find the rpi header info

https://pi4j.com/1.3/pins/rpi-400.html

2:54 AM

Wait a sec

2:55 AM

That works great

What works great?

2:56 AM

This

2:56 AM

The 3 connector one

Oh

2:56 AM

What a coincidence

2:56 AM

I'm not sure it's the right size though

If not it could be to the left

2:56 AM

Yeah, it probably is

Wait I'll grab my rpi

You can try it out before connecting anything though

Yep it's not even powered on

2:57 AM

It's a perfect fit :)

Nice

2:58 AM

I have to go soon, though

Oh

But tbh I think it's gonna work great with a toothpick

2:58 AM

Hahahah

Well I'll try on my own then

2:59 AM

With my dad

2:59 AM

Or are you going to be back soon?

Oks

2:59 AM

Couple tips

3:00 AM

Ground can go to a "ground plane" on the pcb, you can attach it to one of the screws that will have the copper layer (orange-ish) exposed

Ok

Then you put the screw and make sure the copper of the cable doesn't touch anything else

3:00 AM

you're gonna have to figure out the toothpick thing xD

But there is already a gnd pin on the PCB, right?

Yeah

3:00 AM

But for you to not have to hold it all the time

3:00 AM

You can screw it in

Oh

3:01 AM

Ok Will you come back soon? I can wait

(I'm going to go to sleep hahahah)

Oh

3:02 AM

Ok then, so I'll (try) to do it myself

And the other thing is: out of the 3 ports my guess is that it's J1

Ok

(J1 is the label right next to it)

3:02 AM

I'm guessing because it's the first one and the one that is alone

So the one bottom right?

(for the rpi, the baudrate should be 115200, the other options as default, you could try using minicom or something like that)

Yep

3:04 AM

Could I brick my rpi if I don't set the correct baudrate? Like could it be dead?

No

3:04 AM

Well

3:05 AM

Yes

3:05 AM

Not really

3:05 AM

If you're careful

3:06 AM

The worst case is if you flip the GND and tx signals

Oh

3:06 AM

Ok I hope I won't do that

It could (just could) fry the serial port in the rpi

fermino

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Just make sure to keep the black cable to the outside

3:07 AM

The pin header is probably labeled

Only the serial port

3:07 AM

At least

Yeap

3:08 AM

(and well, then GND = black)

3:08 AM

And in the kobo GND is that 2-3 dashes symbol

Yep

3:08 AM

Oh actually

PIN1

The cable only has two threads Not three (edited)

fermino

Click to see attachment 🖼️

And just refer to this

3:09 AM

Yeap

3:09 AM

If you see we're not connecting the tx in the raspi

3:09 AM

Just the ground + rxd

Oh

3:10 AM

That's luck

3:10 AM

I already cut it ;p

3:11 AM

So I have to "cut" the cable so the wire is exposed?

tux-linux

So I have to "cut" the cable so the wire is exposed?

Yeap

ok

3:12 AM

will try

3:12 AM

let me ask my dad (edited)

3:14 AM

that?

That will do it

3:16 AM

Use the bottom part

3:16 AM

14awg? I'm guessing rn

3:17 AM

Hey

3:17 AM

I have to go!

3:17 AM

But we can follow this tomorrow if you want

ok! my dad is ok to help me so guess I'll do it now! but thanks very very much!!!!

Oks mate!

3:21 AM

Good luck then!

actually I'm so excited to see serial output coming out of ... an eReader

Hahahah

3:21 AM

If it works I can maybe design some modules for it

nice

Like to interface with the outside world

yeah like bluetooth

Audio would be probably overkill

3:22 AM

But it's worth trying

wait wait

3:22 AM

all is worth trying and if this thing is able to play youtube

3:22 AM

then audio shouldn't be a problem

let me do some math

at least we could listen to some podcasts in low quality, right?

We could get some audio out of it

some beeps

Not hi-fi, not at all

3:24 AM

But yeah

3:24 AM

Anyways

3:24 AM

Talk to you tomorrow!!

3:24 AM

Well see where this leads hahaha

yep, good night!

Thx, you too

My PC just got killed because I'd eaten up all the RAM

3:31 AM

So that means recompiling 2 days of Palemoon :/

that's sad

Yeah...

3:36 AM

But I'm trying something exciting tonight though

nice

I hope I get this serial thing working

oooh

3:37 AM

a serial connection

To debug this $#@$#@ kernel

lol

And to have some fun

gotta have some fun

I'll keep you posted

it works! thanks @fermino!

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I hooked up the Mini, will post the log soon

kobo mini's log

"Unhandled fault: Alignment Exception" Error booting Freescale 2.6....

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5:34 AM

does someone have any clue about this? thx

Found this https://community.nxp.com/t5/i-MX-Processors/quot-Unhandled-fault-Alignment-Exception-quot-Error-booting/td-p/192389 Will try tomorrow

Hello All, I've downloaded and compiled Freescale's 2.6.35 kernel from their opensource gitweb, but when I boot the kernel on my i.MX53QSB I get a series of 8 Unhandled fault: alignment exception errors. I've attached my complete boot output, but the first occurrence of the boot error is shown be...

Yeeeey

11:57 AM

Well, now the rabbit hole of debugging the kernel hahahah

make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- EXTRA_CFLAGS=-mno-unaligned-access

12:10 PM

And that post you sent points here, took a quick look and might be worth reading https://web.archive.org/web/20150324062536/http://blog.galemin.com/tag/codesourcery/

12:12 PM

So at the moment we have default software handling for unaligned memory access faults in kernel and new CodeSourcery 2011.03-41 cross-compiler with “Unaligned access support” feature enabled by default. **As I understand, It means that compiler tries to optimize unaligned memory access with assumption that “A bit” in Control Register is unset (reset value) and hardware should handle all unaligned memory loads. But this bit is set by Linux kernel, thus, after memory access optimisation by cross-compiler ARM processor generates alignment faults, which are handled by software traps in kernel.**

There are two solutions for this issue. The first one is described in my previous post (“**-mno-unaligned-access**” parameter). **And the second is to disable alignment faults checking in Linux kernel (clear “A bit” in Control Register). I think the second solution is more preferable as hardware unaligned loads support is much faster than software handling.** After some investigation I found that alignment traps generation can be controlled using “ALIGNMENT_TRAP” kernel config parameter in “arch/arm/Kconfig”, but this parameter is by default true and it can’t be configured in menuconfig. In order to be able to change it’s value just add “Software alignment trap” text after “bool”:

config ALIGNMENT_TRAP
bool “Software alignment trap”

And unset it in menuconfig:

Kernel Features —>
    [ ] Software alignment trap

@tux-linux if this works this could be a huge leap forward!

Yep I'll try that ASAP thanks again!!!! (edited)

Oh also Would it be possible to (easily) add add TX line on the rpi?

Yeap

1:38 PM

Let me look something up and I'll confirm it

Ok!

also, I just realized that I could flash and try new kernels on eMMC devices, and even if they don't work I can re-flash them with U-Boot on serial

2:41 PM

e.g. this will be useful for the Aura

@fermino the cflags option didn't work. now it stops at "Starting kernel..." Will try with the link you provided

2:54 PM

U-Boot 2009.08-dirty-svn ( 8月 29 2012 - 11:15:18)



CPU:   Freescale i.MX50 family 1.1V at 800 MHz

mx50 pll1: 800MHz

mx50 pll2: 400MHz

mx50 pll3: 216MHz

ipg clock     : 66666666Hz

ipg per clock : 66666666Hz

uart clock    : 24000000Hz

ahb clock     : 133333333Hz

axi_a clock   : 400000000Hz

axi_b clock   : 200000000Hz

weim_clock    : 100000000Hz

ddr clock     : 200000000Hz

esdhc1 clock  : 80000000Hz

esdhc2 clock  : 80000000Hz

esdhc3 clock  : 80000000Hz

esdhc4 clock  : 80000000Hz

Board: MX50 RDP board

Boot Reason: [POR]

Boot Device: SD

I2C:   ready

DRAM:  256 MB


In:    serial

Out:   serial

Err:   serial

[_get_sd_number] g_sd_number:2



MMC read: dev # 2, block # 1023, count 1 partition # 0 ... 

1 blocks read: OK



MMC read: dev # 2, block # 1024, count 1 partition # 0 ... 

1 blocks read: OK

zforce read 7 0 (2 bytes)

zforce read 1 0 (2 bytes)

zforce read 2 0 (2 bytes)

zforce read 3 0 (2 bytes)

zforce frame start not found !

zforce frame start not found !

PCB ID is 9

Power key released!!

ram p=70000000,size=268435456

MMC read: dev # 2, block # 18431, count 1 partition # 0 ... 

1 blocks read: OK
no "logo" bin header

MMC read: dev # 2, block # 14335, count 1 partition # 0 ... 
1 blocks read: OK



MMC read: dev # 2, block # 14336, count 1922 partition # 0 ... 

1922 blocks read: OK

Kernel RAM visiable size=255M->255M

init TPS65185 power ...

Hit any key to stop autoboot:  0 

MMC read: dev # 2, block # 2047, count 1 partition # 0 ... 
1 blocks read: OK
no kernel image signature !

MMC read: dev # 2, block # 2048, count 8192 partition # 0 ... 
8192 blocks read: OK
## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 70800000 ...
   Image Name:   r?_#3 Feb 18 08:42:19
   Created:      2021-02-18  13:42:23 UTC
   Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
   Data Size:    1907696 Bytes =  1.8 MB
   Load Address: 70008000
   Entry Point:  70008000
   Loading Kernel Image ... OK
OK
Starting kernel ...

How much time did you leave it trying to boot?

well until the light turned off

3:00 PM

after that I could power it on again

Ideas:

Disable ALL optimizations in GCC

so it likely auto shutdown

Roll back to an older GCC version

well GCC 4.8 is not old enough?

oh boy

3:01 PM

nvm then

I'm using a 2013 toolchain haha

hahahah

But I'm compiling now with the blog post you shared

3:01 PM

It's strange that the default config worked though

Maybe try with gcc-4.7.3

And also, hooking up the Mini to serial is like 100 times more difficult than the Glo HD

3:02 PM

ok

Addendum: some kernels (at least 2.6.35.3 and 2.6.38 from the Freescale Quick Start Board BSP) override EXTRA_CFLAGS in the Makefiles, so needs an extra patch to make the kernel bootable when using a newer toolchain with EXTRA_CFLAGS=-mno-unaligned-access.

The main culprit seems to be in arch/arm/boot/compressed/Makefile:

-EXTRA_CFLAGS := -fpic -fno-builtin
-EXTRA_ASFLAGS := -Wa,-march=all
+ccflags-y := -fpic -fno-builtin
+asflags-y := -Wa,-march=all

Have you seen this one?

no

3:02 PM

will try after if it doesn't work

3:03 PM

that's the mini

tux-linux

@fermino the cflags option didn't work. now it stops at "Starting kernel..." Will try with the link you provided

which cflag did you use?

I'll check

3:04 PM

now it's compiling

hahah I have to post that pic on twitter

3:04 PM

may I use it?

yep, just mention me @tuxgnulinux

sure

you know the game Mikado?

nop, whats that?

it's like if you were playing it while you attach the Mini to serial

3:05 PM

It's a game like if anything breaks, all breaks

3:05 PM

all those tiny wood sticks

3:05 PM

look it up on google

hahahahaha

3:06 PM

oooh yeah

anyways I'm impressed that it just works

3:06 PM

I have to hold my breath everytime I take out the MicroSD

3:08 PM

IT WOOOOOOOOOOOORKS

DOES IT

3:08 PM

NICE

well it boots

THERE WE GOO

3:08 PM

Arch on Kobo here we goo

ABSOLUTELY

hahahahha

3:09 PM

ACTUALLY

come in, squashfs, btrfs let's goo

There's an arch distro for raspberry

yep I know

sooo it wouldn't be tooo weird (?

no, but I was more looking at Debian

For sure

3:10 PM

It would break a lot less

especially but imagine if we posted that on unixporn

3:10 PM

"btw I use Arch ... on an eReader"

gentoo

HAHAHHAHA

3:10 PM

it'd take like 2 years to just even RUN

btw

3:11 PM

This would be a HUGE project

3:11 PM

And for sure we wouldn't be able to run it alone

3:11 PM

BUT

yeah, Imagine if we got kexec for all Kobos (including emmcs) and we could run our proper distro!

If there is enough interested people at mobileread

3:11 PM

it could be possible

could, yes, I hope

3:12 PM

I'll try kexec as soon as I convince me to unplug that serial thing

hahaha

(because putting it back again togheter won't be easy)

actually, you might just want to keep it plugged

Well I don't have TX on the RPI

You do, actually

3:12 PM

It's the pin in between those two

but not plugged in

Oh, yeah

so I have to enable SSH

But (I think, not sure though) you have the kernel log

3:13 PM

idk if it closes the port after booting

yep

3:13 PM

no, you can login

3:13 PM

I think it just says "invalid argument" because there's no TX ?

ooh, that's why you were asking for it

3:14 PM

hm... if there is noise in the signal, yes

3:14 PM

But Im guessing that's another thing, though

look at the Kindle dev's corner, there are plenty of jailbreak using serial also

3:16 PM

That's my Debian machine doing strange... Screensaver things

hahahaha

Well do you want to post something on Mobileread about it?

I can't right now

3:20 PM

I must get back to work hahaha

Ok

btw, question

3:21 PM

Do you have any clues about how to write a kernel module?

3:21 PM

I'm just thinking about how to make modules that attach to the serial port

3:22 PM

(I mean hardware modules, but we'd need a kernel mod to use them properly)

Hmm no

3:27 PM

I don't have any luck with that usually

3:28 PM

But before we can run anything on the Kobo, we have to upgrade the kernel to at least v4.1

3:28 PM

Otherwise neither Debian nor Arch will run

right

so I'll look at the kernel sources and try to make a working kernel (which is very unlikely to run, but anyways) (edited)

3:31 PM

but btw, did you look up for the second tx/rx line? I'd really need that with kexec

3:31 PM

otherwise I likely won't be able to see the kernel log

3:32 PM

but do it when you have time, I don't want to bother you with that

Yes

3:52 PM

So yeah, you can connect it

3:52 PM

I couldn't figure out for sure the voltages

3:52 PM

But I guess it should be 3V3

3:52 PM

3.3V*

yep it's that

3:52 PM

it didn't fry my Rpi up, so

Well, the other option is 1.8v

3:53 PM

So if you send 1.8v instead of 3.3v to the rpi it would work

3:53 PM

But maybe not reliable

3:53 PM

Then if you send 3.3 instead of 1.8 to the kobo, well

3:53 PM

I don't think you'll fry it, though

you mean it'd be possible to send tx/rx on one port?

No

then I'd be fine with 3.3v everywhere, right?

Well, wait

3:54 PM

The thing is, we're not actually sure it's 3.3

3:54 PM

It could be running at 1.8 and the rpi could catch it just fine

but seeing web blog posts would confirm that it's 3.3

Nice

I'll try them on my Glo HD

I'm assuming it's 3.3

again, not that bad if it fries up (edited)

hahahaha

3:55 PM

It should work

3:56 PM

Also the max rating for those ports in the proc is 3.6, so you should be safe

3:56 PM

(there's a small corner case but I don't think it's the case here)

ok, but how do I add a wire to the dupont connector?

Well

3:56 PM

You might have to use another one

oh

And then you connect it as follows:

4:02 PM

Maybe

4:02 PM

If it fits

two gnd?

Nope

4:03 PM

I think this is going to be better

4:03 PM

And the connections you'd actually use are the ones with the arrows

ooh

4:03 PM

ok that's nice

(Dont mind the tip of the arrow, just where its pointing)

4:04 PM

back**

doing school work right now, but as soon as my class finishes, I'll go and try to find another connector

So it would pin pins #6, #8, 10, #12 and #14

thx

And you'd use #6, #8 and #10

4:04 PM

(Connect the cables)

4:04 PM

And you'd have a cable left over

yeah

4:08 PM

[root@(none) ~]# ./kexec -l uImage --command-line="console=ttymxc0,115200 rootwait rw quiet lpj=3997696 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootfstype=ext4 hwcfg_p=0x7ffffe00 hwcfg_sz=512 wave
form_p=0x7ff0fa00 waveform_sz=984064 mem=255M rdinit=/sbin/init" --atags
[root@(none) ~]# zcat /proc/config.gz | grep KEXEC
CONFIG_KEXEC=y
[root@(none) ~]#

that's great. execution didn't quite work though, but guess we'll know more about it when I hook up the other tx/rx line

ok, so I got the wires cut, going to connect that to the rpi

Let's gooo

Niice

let's hope nothing will blow up... and I turn on the rpi

6:37 PM

i got input

6:37 PM

Let's gooo

Nice C:

hmm the rpi is sending a login shell which causes uboot to strangely behave do you know how to disable the login shell but keep serial enabled? (edited)

raspi-config?

no, you can only enable serial AND login shell

6:43 PM

oh ok

6:43 PM

wait

6:45 PM

I GOT A LOGIN PROMPT and I'm able to INPUT

C:C:C:

now the hard part is to connect it to the Mini

6:47 PM

(which will likely be impossible because I have to connect 3 wires)

6:48 PM

the glo hd it's easy because there's a recess under the holes

6:52 PM

ok, all things considered, I'm going to be trying to compile a new kernel for the GloHD, since accessing serial on the Mini is a nightmare

6:53 PM

probably gonna boot debian tonight or tommorow ^^

ok so I got the serial hooked up and a new kernel compiled with the stock config. When it boots, there's an error (again)

Glo [WIP] Port of Kindle Paperwhite OS - MobileRead Forums

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7:37 PM

it seems it's related to cpu heavy load... though I don't think my Kobo is having a heavy load booting a kernel...

ok so I gave up with the Glo HD and got back to the Mini I enlarged the toothpicks' tips and now they fit tight and keep the connectors put. kexec seems to work sometimes however, I can't interrupt the boot process and get to the u-boot shell like I could on my Glo HD. It seems that input only gets there when the kernel starts. any clue?

11:00 PM

yep, kexec once started but now it hangs at Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.

What did you change?

well nothing much... I don't even know why it decided to execute the kernel that time

reconnected my Glo HD. got uboot console I tried with my Aura too and it didn't work. so strangely it's only the Glo HD

Is there more than one port in the mini/aura?

mini, no

11:30 PM

aura, yes there's one more

I tested the Aura's other serial port, it doesn't output anything

ok, inspecting the Mini's /dev shows that it has not only ttymxc0, but also ttymxc1 and ttymxc2...

11:59 PM

huh. kexec works now

11:59 PM

will restart and see if it was too good to be true

If you can open ttymxc0 and see stuff in your rpi then it means you're in the right one

1:20 AM

I really think it's always the first one

I wrote it horribly

2:17 AM

I mean that usually the first port is the one used for the kernel log

2:17 AM

And that if you have doubts you can try by opening ttymxc0 and sending stuff from to the rpi

ok

2:24 AM

yep I checked it's ttymxc0

2:24 AM

it seems that the kernel has a driver for handling serial input but u-boot doesn't, only for output... that's sad

2:28 AM

anyways, I'll try compiling a newer kernel (probably 4.1 or 5.4) for the Mini, hoping that the config won't break it will have multiple fileystems options (squashfs, btrfs, etc.) + kexec if we can get it to work

@dill actually you could access a serial console ... By hooking up the other end of the line to another Kobo ... And then access it from telnet

ok so kernel 2.6.35.3-kobox is out! here's the uImage compatible with the Kobo Mini features:

Squashfs file system
NFS server/client
Btrfs
Kexec syscall + atags
ext2/ext3/ext4
usb otg
misc

(edited)

Woah!

4:30 PM

How did you do it??

i changed the menuconfig

4:47 PM

I tried with lots of new kernels, but none of them booted. I don't have enough skills to "port" the 2.6 kernel tree to a newer one, so guess we'll stick with that unless someone else has the knowledge... btw that was a really interesting read, we could use some tips provided in there for KoBox https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202262

Glo [WIP] Port of Kindle Paperwhite OS Kobo Developer's Corner

4:49 PM

uImage

2.54 MB

4:49 PM

here's the new one with usb-otg support

4:50 PM

Do you think I should create a thread on MR with that, like "The modded kernels thread" where I would publish the uImages of modded kernels for each Kobo model?

tux-linux

I tried with lots of new kernels, but none of them booted. I don't have enough skills to "port" the 2.6 kernel tree to a newer one, so guess we'll stick with that unless someone else has the knowledge... btw that was a really interesting read, we could use some tips provided in there for KoBox https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202262

WOT

5:04 PM

That's awesome

tux-linux

Do you think I should create a thread on MR with that, like "The modded kernels thread" where I would publish the uImages of modded kernels for each Kobo model?

Yes

5:04 PM

And I also think we should have a repo for this too

5:04 PM

Like starting off a clean working tree and keep all the modifications in different commits

5:04 PM

(make sure to have a working copy though hahaha)

5:05 PM

So that way (1) we can learn also and help without being (so) lost hahah and (2) keep track of things in case something goes wrong

5:06 PM

oh, btw, I still need to work on the image creation script

5:06 PM

But I don't think I'll have the time this days

5:06 PM

Maybe on monday :/

Ok I'll do that! Thx

fermino

WOT

Why though? oh, you meant the MR thread, right? (edited)

fermino

oh, btw, I still need to work on the image creation script

I'm not sure we'll use it quite as it was planned. If I get real Alpine Linux booted on the Mini and somehow change the boot device, things could get ... interesting

I'm also trying to build the KVM module so we can run a newer kernel with QEMU/KVM so it shouldn't be too slow

tux-linux

Why though? oh, you meant the MR thread, right? (edited)

Yeap, the kindle thing

still, kvm would be awesome if it worked

Yes

6:16 PM

In the meantime I can still put some time in the chroot method

imagine like

# uname -a
linux kobo 5.11.1-kobo

6:16 PM

yep

Which would be a good fit for some people

especially for emmcs

6:16 PM

still didn't figure out how to access the u-boot console on my mini

OK so I got Debian 7 on my Mini almost boots but hangs there: (edited)

https://pv.olaiz.net/?cab0cb4fe69abb24#FsbwMLaTfAPiicHCmTA1ztFaSr2rvxCstjfi42bDSuqE

3.04 KB

I found some mailing list here, but don't know how it should be fixed... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648325

For the pastes you may want to use pv.olaiz.net

6:53 PM

I'll take a look at the link

oh yeah, will try it out next time! there's also tpaste.us which I like too

Yeap

6:55 PM

What debian version is it?

wheezy

6:55 PM

(7)

6:55 PM

newer would likely not be able to boot due to the older kernel

Right

6:58 PM

:/

I'll try with Debian 6 on another microSD

hmm we'll enable that (?

7:08 PM

that too

7:08 PM

Hahahaha

7:19 PM

Nice

7:19 PM

If it boots it will probably work

we'll hope

7:19 PM

anyways I'll boot it soon, it's finishing compiling now

7:21 PM

and... nope, it didn't. But I probably overloaded it with a gazilion options, so I'll try again just with the sound thing

ok, got Debian 6 booted. no udevd error thing but it hangs the serial as soon as the green light stops blinking also, there doesn't seem to be a ttymxc0 device node in /dev...

Any other tty*?

yep, lots

8:01 PM

8:01 PM

oh no (edited)

8:02 PM

i mistakenly did ls /dev on my host machine

8:02 PM

wait a sec

8:04 PM

not much in fact:

[admin@phoenix sd]# ls dev
console  fd       full     initctl  null     ptmx     pts      random   shm      stderr   stdin    stdout   tty      urandom  zero
[admin@phoenix sd]#

8:04 PM

but maybe that udev handles the creation of the device nodes on boot... so I don't know

What about tty?

hmm idk, what would it do? on kobo it's ttymxc0

You can give it a shot

8:06 PM

Maybe by opening it and trying to send something to the rpi? (edited)

huh what?

Try it out*

8:07 PM

hahaha

yeah, but how? the boot process hangs and I can't input anything

8:07 PM

the ls /dev came from my Linux PC

From the kobo itself

8:08 PM

You're telnetting into the kobo, right?

no

8:08 PM

serial

From the rpi?

yes

tux-linux

yeah, but how? the boot process hangs and I can't input anything

I'm lost with this then

8:09 PM

Are you talking about a different kernel build?

yes, it's my custom one

8:09 PM

should I try with the default?

I guess

8:09 PM

What is the problem, though?

8:10 PM

You're already inside debian, right?

hmm yeah, wait... I remember that the serial too didn't work on the stock firmware once the green light stopped blinking...

8:10 PM

no it didn't boot up

OH, you're talking about two different builds then

8:10 PM

It's probably because the kernel releases it after booting

8:11 PM

And so (1) it doesn't echo back what you send to it and (2) it doesn't send anything at all xD

8:11 PM

Maybe there's an option to enable the shell on the serial port (edited)

yeah, basically 1. u-boot >> no input, but output 2. linux boots >> input, output 3. systemd starts up debian >> input, output and as soon as the green light stop flashing, no output nor input

8:12 PM

I'll try reimaging the sd, upgrading to latest firmware with latest hwcfg and mbr shenanigans, and then creating one ext2 partition for root and debootstrap debian into it

fermino

Maybe there's an option to enable the shell on the serial port (edited)

https://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap yep, it's there, but I forgot to make the device node. I don't think it's the problem though because the bootlog hung before a serial console could've been there, from what I could tell (edited)

8:20 PM

and giving that an after-thought, Debian 7 could maybe boot if the udevd error isn't fatal... because it hung too and I thought that that was what was causing the error...

ok, got a login prompt, it was the kernel then.

8:57 PM

probably some menuconfig bug that I didn't see

Wheeeeee! https://pv.olaiz.net/?c48bde639c29eb78#HLv2PMi8a3nEwQB1Yp81EguEVBz2RfSsSLb5suwGwmnQ

Yeeeeeey :D

10:27 PM

What did you change?

I think it was a devtmpfs menuconfig option that didn't work

10:28 PM

now I'm trying debian 7

tux-linux

ok so kernel 2.6.35.3-kobox is out! here's the uImage compatible with the Kobo Mini features:

Squashfs file system
NFS server/client
Btrfs
Kexec syscall + atags
ext2/ext3/ext4
usb otg
misc

(edited)

great! so now KoBox works on the Mini?

no

12:24 AM

it's just that I added features to the kernel

12:24 AM

and btw it's not the right one. I'll upload another now

oh ok

that should work. has all the previous features mentioned, except usb-otg

uImage

2.01 MB

nice

12:27 AM

so i dd?

yep, as usual

12:28 AM

you'll be able to pack more book as you'll be able to mount squashfs

12:28 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SquashFS

SquashFS

Squashfs is a compressed read-only file system for Linux. Squashfs compresses files, inodes and directories, and supports block sizes from 4 KiB up to 1 MiB for greater compression. Several compression algorithms are supported. Squashfs is also the name of free software, licensed under the GPL, for accessing Squashfs filesystems. Squashfs is int...

12:28 AM

also, NFS is supported

oooo

12:28 AM

cool!

it's like a mountable tar.xz archive

12:28 AM

or tar.gz

niceeee

12:29 AM

be right back

ok

did you get it flashed?

I'm curious, where are you getting the kernel sources?

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

Contribute to kobolabs/Kobo-Reader development by creating an account on GitHub.

ok, so I tried compiling a new kernel for my Glo HD, and got this panic: https://pv.olaiz.net/?fd06e116e87dfc09#HsWBPEApBLcsQkgjKh5TsDCzcA2C2W87J5rahwawJYAY thanks for your help and sorry if it seems I only get kernel panics and it bothers you........

It doesn't bother, not at all! I might not respond much because we're getting everything ready for the trip back home

3:26 AM

So Im going to be away for this couple of days

3:27 AM

"Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000005f pgd = 80004000"

3:27 AM

I'll look it up

The error is not super easy to track :/ it means the kernel is trying to access a pointer with address NULL (= no address)

3:35 AM

I'd try to disable all modules that are non essential

I'll try with the stock config then

3:39 AM

I enabled devtmpfs for debian 8, we'll see if that's the culprit

fermino

It doesn't bother, not at all! I might not respond much because we're getting everything ready for the trip back home

Right, be ready to hook up serial to your Clara HD

We'll need it a lot for testing on mk. 7 devices...

4:00 AM

I forgot to send it, I found this

no, initramfs is disabled in kernel

4:01 AM

I'm compiling with NickelTC now, we'll see if it makes any difference

4:05 AM

oh, now it works

4:05 AM

I'll try with CONFIG_DEVTMPFS

4:09 AM

Spacebar stops the uboot and gets you the uboot command line. Ha! Not sure I tried that key yet on my Aura & Mini... https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/kobo-aura.3932621/ (edited)

Kobo Aura?

I know this forum is all things Nook, but maybe you die-hard Nookies might be interested... (If it is interesting and it goes somewhere it should be a different forum.) Walmart is selling the Kobo Aura (Edition 2) for $69.99 Yup, this is the...

that also was a very, very interesting read if you didn't see it already: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/research/e-readers/Kobo/Aura_H2O_Edition_2

Aura H2O Edition 2

@tux-linux what command do i use for dd

dd if=uImage of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=2048

5:02 AM

and then sync and reboot

5:02 AM

thanks

report back if it works!

i have both of these... will they conflict?

if they are not the same name, no

5:03 AM

but you can remove them both and only put the new one

okay

Test this sqsh after to see if the squashfs option worked well. mount hi.sqsh /mnt/user

hi.sqsh

4 KB

rebooting

yep, all good

...it's not connecting to my PC

5:10 AM

it shows connected and charging, but the pc refuses to recognize it

huh

i'll ftp

can you stil access it with telnet/ssh?

i think so

that may be an unwanted side-effect

maybe the usb cable is faulty

anyways, if you can still transfer via ftp, you're good

5:11 AM

or you could even base64 the file and copy-paste via telnet haha

i try to connect with usb, then i unplug without ejecting because no way to eject... but then it reboots

ok definitely kernel problem then :/

yup

can you telnet still?

i'll dd the uImage-orig

wait

5:14 AM

ok nvm I'll debug that on my Mini later on

scanning for networks, but not working

But I'd still keep the kernel if I was you squashfs offers some big advantages and ftp on my side would not be a big hassle but do it how you want! and hopefully I'll get this usb issue sorted out

5:15 AM

ooooohh that's because the module was not compiled

5:15 AM

that's easily fixable

5:15 AM

I'll send you a txz of the modules that you'll replace in /drivers later

alright

but yeah, now it's a better idea to reflash this uimage-orig after giving it an after-thought

no idea how, other than taking out the sd

yep

5:16 AM

but no

5:16 AM

oh

5:16 AM

hmm wait, I'll send you some modules now (edited)

i'll just reboot and see

5:16 AM

taking out the sd is pretty easy now

yep, but flashing won't be on windows unless it passes through the devices

i'm just gonna hard reset

oh you could, true

i have a backup image of my mini

5:18 AM

so i'll just etch that

but theoritically you could just hit the reset button on the device and it'd work

5:18 AM

or devmodeon then Device Information > Developer options > factory reset

nope, i tried that so many times in the past... my mini just rebots :\

5:18 AM

ok, devmode

yeah reset button doesn't work well on mine either

5:19 AM

but devmode on reset does like a charm though

yep

5:19 AM

resetting, and i have to go :/

ok, bye!

so please PM me the modules, (or debug) and I'll test that on my Mini

5:20 AM

bye!

okk

5:20 AM

bye

wheeeeeee (again)! https://pv.olaiz.net/?591d91c12c3ef58c#2FkoBJDRrRRzJVyacXJhbpy2ACsW6ZrKUkrHkbu4qPnM

6:00 AM

Debian 8 on the Glo HD!

6:01 AM

who said that a Kobo couldn't run systemd?

tomorrow I'll try Alpine Linux

ok, so I got Alpine running. OpenRC starts up but complains about missing /dev/tty* devices and I can't get to a login prompt. I'll investigate on this and come back when I hopefully get something working...! (edited)

debian!!

8:29 PM

niceeee

8:30 PM

@tux-linux is there a fix for the mini kernel yet? just asking, squashfs would be amazing

well, it's coming up, maybe tonight, 7-8PM EST

8:35 PM

for now I got Alpine running! and a serial console!

8:35 PM

will post bootlog soon (edited)

wooo

8:37 PM

on what device?

tux-linux

well, it's coming up, maybe tonight, 7-8PM EST

no rush :)

on the Glo HD

8:41 PM

should work on the Mini too, haven't tested it yet

8:42 PM

https://pv.olaiz.net/?7d27b683760cd3da#CKQAvDtYx9ngw8yk9PSx1KvvkNdVfm9g3NAw2VjhRMeJ

wow!

8:44 PM

i can test on mini rn if you want

tux-linux

should work on the Mini too, haven't tested it yet

would it be a uImage or a disk image?

8:52 PM

and would i have to flash the image, or just mount it like kobox

no it'd be a complete SD image

9:14 PM

you wouldn't have access to Nickel anymore (well, dual-boot is possible, but that needs to be further investigated)

dill

i can test on mini rn if you want

no you couldn't (well you wouldn't see any progress) because it needs to be hooked up to serial to see any results

9:16 PM

though, you could access serial by finding three wires and hooking up your Aura's serial port to the Mini's one. then, microcom on the Aura via SSH and you'd have serial access to the Mini (edited)

aura is unopenable...

oh

9:17 PM

well then, you'd be stuck with a blinking light and a blank screen

yeah, because it has extremely tiny screws

9:17 PM

dang

how tiny?

less than 1mm

9:18 PM

and they're six sided too

ouuch

9:18 PM

that hurts

yep

9:18 PM

it was painful when the usb port broke, i paid 70 bucks to get it fixed

where did it get fixed?

had to bring it to a repair place

that hurts too

definitely

but couldn't you have asked the repair people how they opened it? xD (edited)

it was my dad who got it fixed so idk

oh

9:20 PM

it's an aura h2o v2?

yep

9:20 PM

gotta go bye

bye

Well...

11:39 PM

NICEEEE

11:40 PM

any repo yet?

-rw-r--r-- 1 fermino fermino 4.8M Feb 20 19:39 84a5702-1G.img.txz

11:40 PM

Not yet, but I'll upload it soon

great!

4.8M

11:40 PM

There are all zeroes, right? xD

yep

Would you mind giving it a shot? I need to go do a couple of things but I have an image ready

sure! it'd be a life saver, setupping all of those Kobos each time it breaks is a pain (edited)

That's it

11:43 PM

So, the idea is that every time we push to master, it will trigger this script in the server, which would build the images and publish them in an http server

11:43 PM

I'm uploading the img rn

also, if you could please help me with that.......

  MODPOST vmlinux.o
  GEN     .version
  CC      init/main.o
  CHK     include/generated/compile.h
  UPD     include/generated/compile.h
  CC      init/version.o
  CC      init/do_mounts.o
  CC      init/do_mounts_initrd.o
  LD      init/mounts.o
  CC      init/initramfs.o
  CC      init/calibrate.o
  LD      init/built-in.o
  LD      .tmp_vmlinux1
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: sound/built-in.o: in function `usb_audio_disconnect':
card.c:(.text+0x33c20): undefined reference to `switch_set_state'
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: card.c:(.text+0x33c28): undefined reference to `switch_dev_unregister'
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: sound/built-in.o: in function `usb_audio_probe':
card.c:(.text+0x342c0): undefined reference to `switch_dev_register'
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: card.c:(.text+0x34340): undefined reference to `switch_set_state'
make: *** [Makefile:873: .tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1
make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf- uImage  396.11s user 59.90s system 106% cpu 7:10.15 total
2 nicolas@archiso ..Kobo-Reader/hw/imx6sl-glohd/kernel_imx (git)-[master] %

like this appeared from absolutely nowhere when building 3.0.35 for the Glo HD

And yeah, it shoould work, I still have some doubts about a file ownership thing but it should work anyways

fermino

So, the idea is that every time we push to master, it will trigger this script in the server, which would build the images and publish them in an http server

yep that's nice

hahaha

11:45 PM

did you do a make clean before compiling?

11:45 PM

That happens because the linker (the one that links already compiled files) can't file some functions that are supposed to be defined in an already compiled file

tux-linux

also, if you could please help me with that.......

  MODPOST vmlinux.o
  GEN     .version
  CC      init/main.o
  CHK     include/generated/compile.h
  UPD     include/generated/compile.h
  CC      init/version.o
  CC      init/do_mounts.o
  CC      init/do_mounts_initrd.o
  LD      init/mounts.o
  CC      init/initramfs.o
  CC      init/calibrate.o
  LD      init/built-in.o
  LD      .tmp_vmlinux1
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: sound/built-in.o: in function `usb_audio_disconnect':
card.c:(.text+0x33c20): undefined reference to `switch_set_state'
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: card.c:(.text+0x33c28): undefined reference to `switch_dev_unregister'
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: sound/built-in.o: in function `usb_audio_probe':
card.c:(.text+0x342c0): undefined reference to `switch_dev_register'
/run/media/nicolas/b0efede0-edb5-4be4-a03e-ada6e449e2d5/kobo-qemu/Toolchain/nickeltc/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/bin/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-ld.bfd: card.c:(.text+0x34340): undefined reference to `switch_set_state'
make: *** [Makefile:873: .tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1
make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf- uImage  396.11s user 59.90s system 106% cpu 7:10.15 total
2 nicolas@archiso ..Kobo-Reader/hw/imx6sl-glohd/kernel_imx (git)-[master] %

like this appeared from absolutely nowhere when building 3.0.35 for the Glo HD

disable the sound module

11:45 PM

it's either sound or usb-otg

hmm no, but never got errors with that before

11:45 PM

ok

11:45 PM

I'll try a make clean with the same config, then disabling the usb/sound modules if it doesn't work

oks

11:49 PM

oh btw, the resolv.conf is still missing, as it's actually building from master in the repo

shouldn't be to worry

11:50 PM

it's created when we chroot in, or... oh yeah, could be a good idea just to touch it if we want to bind-mount...

That's why I made the issue the other day

11:51 PM

tbh we could make an "installer", a script that sets everything up and cp's the resolv config, but in the meantime we can just do it manually/add it in the repo

yeah

11:51 PM

also, you could add your script to the bootstrap repo, it has a good place there I think

Yeap

11:51 PM

I'll do

nice

But first it needs to work xD

yeah, of course you might as well add a "WIP - Experimental, could turn your Kobo into a time bomb" or the like haha (edited)

hahahah yeah

Well, my connection is unusable :c

oh

I can't even post the file

maybe send the script here in Discord and I'll upload it myself (crediting you of course)

That's fine! I can use git, though

12:02 AM

But uploading the 5M file is too much

Hmm mksquashfs <file.txz> archive.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments

12:03 AM

that should reduce the size of the txz I use that to create my Archiso's squashfs root

I have to install it first D:

12:04 AM

hahaha

oh

12:04 AM

i think the pkg size is like 1M

is not even on the repos ._.

squashfs-tools ?

oh, that

12:05 AM

There we go, thx

tux-linux

that should reduce the size of the txz I use that to create my Archiso's squashfs root

FWIW, it compresses a 8G filesystem into a 2.6G mountable read-only archive

Almost same filesize

12:06 AM

bc it's already super compressed

oh then your xz did well its job

yeap

but... I mean. could you tell git to push and even wait hours for it to complete, or is it just stuck there?

12:07 AM

and also if you could provide the script it'd be enough for me I think

I'm pushing rn to the repo

ok

There's one thing I couldn't figure out, maybe you can help me with that

yep?

When the image is created, the uid for it is root

yes

So, when I mount it with udisksctl, even if I can mount as a normal user, I can't create folders inside it

12:11 AM

The dirty workaround is to create all necessary folders under / in the image, and chown them to the user running the script

12:12 AM

BUT it is not technically correct either

well what are the files in the root of the image owned by?

Here's the thing, they should be owned by root

if they are owned by root, then a normal user sure won't be able to create anything inside

12:12 AM

oh

if not, when you access the image from the chroot, it would show another UID

12:13 AM

(it would not be a problem, I think, but still)

well that's strange

And the thing is that running a deploying script like this as root is a no go

fakeroot ?

12:13 AM

you compress it into a txz after... should do the trick

Hm...

12:14 AM

Maybe if we do the compression inside the fakeroot

12:14 AM

Yeah, that's probably going to work

yep, that's what makepkg always does

12:14 AM

Entering fakeroot...

Right

12:15 AM

Well...

12:15 AM

Hm... No

12:15 AM

Here's the thing, the .img files are still being mounted by root

FUSE?

Yeah, I should look at it

12:16 AM

In any case, I have to leave

ok

12:17 AM

see you later!

see ya!

12:19 AM

Well, the easy workaround is a cron the fixes them

12:19 AM

And compresses them

cron ? huh, what?

Yeah, it will not be pretty but it will work well hahaha

but what do you mean exactly?

a cron that runs as root that mounts the images, chowns everything and then sends it to the final server

oh yeah

12:20 AM

but you should try FUSE, shouldn't be that hard to set up (well I know we're all reluctant when new things like that come into play, but... we have to experiment with them... although I'm definitely not a fan of snaps haha)

the thing is

12:21 AM

~time~

12:21 AM

hahahah

yeahhhhh

12:22 AM

but to give you an idea, here's how to mount a squashfs with fuse: squashfuse $HOME/Documents/fonts.sqsh /usr/share/fonts/additional

Then, with fuse

12:22 AM

Can a normal user have full control over a filesystem?

12:22 AM

Even modifying the file owner?

i think so, yes

12:23 AM

Filesystem in User SpacE

12:24 AM

but then, why not just mount the image with sudo?

12:24 AM

shouldn't do that much harm

because it's triggered through a webhook

12:24 AM

= an http endpoint

12:25 AM

So a webserver, publicly accessible should never ever be running as root

yeah, ok....

12:25 AM

then set up a QEMU virtual machine and mount the img there edit: no it's wayy too overkill (edited)

Because at the slightest bug or anything whoever person could take advantage of that

12:25 AM

I'll go with fuse

12:25 AM

HAHAHA

yep, should be better

12:26 AM

fuse+fakeroot should to the trick

It's out! https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337509 https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/tux-linux/kobo-kernel @dill, I'm working on the Mini now (edited)

The Modded Kernels Thread - MobileRead Forums

The Modded Kernels Thread Kobo Reader

kobo-kernel

A set of enhanced kernels for various Kobo devices

1:01 AM

@fermino now that NFS support is enabled in-kernel, we should be able to host some sort of git instance on the Kobo!

@OfficerAction OK, so as a side-project more or less related to KoBox: Since I had success running Alpine Linux entirely on the Kobo, I'd like to develop myself an embedded system for my Kobo using a coughs recent Qt framework and Qt Web Engine. It would probably include an open-source reader framework or in-house developed one. I.e. an open source Nickel. Since your Manga reader was in Qt, I think you're the one who knows most about it in this server. So, I have some questions for you (and to anyone who knows about an answer); 1. On what system should it be run? I think Alpine is fine, but I don't know if musl-libc is ideal for it... but also, I've seen Yocto and BuildRoot, those seem pretty interesting... 2. What's the learning curve? I know some Python and C. Qt is mostly C++, right? Don't worry, if you say "very hard" I'll give it a try anyways I think haha 3. any other recommendations/warning/emergencies like "doooon't do thiiss" or the like? thanks! (edited)

hey

5:19 PM

qt is not so hard and c++ is quite steep but once you can work with it it will make life much easier compared to c. Especially memory management was impossible on UMR before I was using smart pointers, crashes everywhere.

5:22 PM

I am running on the latest gcc and qt framework so that is for the the stock kobo kernel, you can just use them as is.

5:24 PM

qtwebengine is another story, but it might even be possible to just use the musl qtwebengine together with the rest if musl is linked statically. something I wanted to try for some time (edited)

5:27 PM

my suggestion is to just stick with the stock kernel since it makes everything much simpler

5:30 PM

i found qtcreator to be actually quite usefull for developing, since you can swich targets (kobo or desktop) with just one click and testing apps is also as easy. one click and it will build the app, transfer it to the kobo and run it. (edited)

OfficerAction

my suggestion is to just stick with the stock kernel since it makes everything much simpler

that is actually mandatory for the device to even boot, as compiling other kernels is just... a pain, you have to backport drivers and all of that... but I'll use the stock kernel, perhaps with a few options added to the config. I'm planning to build for the Mini and up, so GCC 10 won't do as it doesn't like the 2.6.35.3 kernel the Mini has. I'll likely use GCC 8 So should I stick with Alpine, or Buildroot/Yocto with OpenRC and maybe glibc instead of musl-libc or uclibc-ng? also, could you provide me a simple "Hello World" like program (qt) which would just print "Hello World" centered on the screen? that would help me, really and maybe lead me to install missing things if they are. again, thanks for your time and your response!

that seems like a good place to start for qt on kobos (qt5 is also there) what do you think? https://community.nxp.com/t5/i-MX-Processors-Knowledge-Base/Building-QT-for-i-MX6/ta-p/1111319 (edited)

Building QT for i.MX6

Prerequisites: The build is verified on prebuilt rootfs(based on LTIB) which can be downloaded from freescale.com EGL uses framebuffer backend libEGL.so -> libEGL-fb.so libGAL.so -> libGAL-fb.so QT4.8 1. Download the git respository for qt4.8: $ git clone http://git.gitorious.org/qt/qt.git qt $ c...

hey

7:31 PM

im not sure why you want to setup your own system with alpine, ect...

7:32 PM

just use the crosscompiler from the xtoolchain repo its all you neend

I'd like to have a proper service manager and truly choose what I'm including in it

ok up to you ofc

and make all the rootfs open source

the umr repo has instructions on how to compile qt for kobo

but what's "umr"?

ultimate manga reader

ohhh

7:34 PM

that's great, I'll look into it

also you will need platform plugin for kobo

that? https://github.com/Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin

Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin

A Qt5 platform backend plugin for Kobo E-Ink devices. - Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin

i also have a repo for that but it's not certain if it will work for the mini out of the box maybe you will need to make some adjustments

7:35 PM

yep

OfficerAction

i also have a repo for that but it's not certain if it will work for the mini out of the box maybe you will need to make some adjustments

sure, I'm prepared it's pretty sure it'll throw at me an error that didn't even existed 3 seconds before (no offense) (edited)

7:36 PM

but I'm ready

most likely there wont be an error but the touchscreen inputs are off

7:37 PM

well maybe i can help you fix that if its needed

thanks. so 1. get alpine/yocto/buildroot up and running 2. compile Qt platform plugin 3. Put libraries/binaries in rootfs 4. compile program with qmake/make or qtcreator 5. run the program and fix the trillion issues that (with my IT bad luck) will likely come with it 6. start creating an UI and hopefully don't give up

7:39 PM

right?

sounds right

ok so I'll start to try things out will come back (hopefully) when I get the platform plugin compiled and the kobo running thanks again

7:41 PM

humm... which toolchain to use? maybe koxtoolchain?

koxtoolchain is what i am using

7:42 PM

its basically crosstool-ng with a nice config for kobos

yep So I'll go with that for Qt, and for the rootfs I'll use the stock one provided by yocto/buildroot if I go with that

7:43 PM

thx

you can just try with the stock kobo first. it will also work.

also

7:44 PM

I'll see

and btw I have a strong feeling gcc 10 will also work for you because umr is built with that and it's also running on older devices afik

maybe... but Alpine's musl-libc causes busybox to segfault on the Mini and if recompiled with gcc-8 it doesn't segfault anymore

but maybe it's just musl-libc the problem too

maybe

7:48 PM

i can give you an scribble app you can use that for testing

7:52 PM

scribble.zip

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7:52 PM

thats basically as hello world with gui as it gets

nice!

8:03 PM

thanks

8:04 PM

will touch input work?

touchinputs are handled by the platform plugin

ok

8:04 PM

that's nice

8:05 PM

I won't have to bother too much with that then

yea after you get it running

of course...

That's going to be fun

whistles

4:12 AM

niiice

4:12 AM

3 serial connections?

btw kernel for the mini is ready

4:12 AM

it'll be there soon

i can test it rn

but no wifi for now, you should get usbms running fine though

dill

3 serial connections?

RX, TX, GND receive, transmit, ground

4:13 AM

I'll upload the kernel to Gitea now

ah i see

4:14 AM

connected to a rasp pi?

4:14 AM

i have an arduino, can i set up a serial with that

yes wait a sec need to fix something

got it

ok fine I thought I fried my serial connection because I wasn't able to input anything

4:17 AM

fortunately it's not

whew

ok it's uploading

on mr?

no Gitea should be there soon

oh ok

4:26 AM

You might find useful adding these lines to the (end) of the rcS:

insmod /drivers/<path to driver, e.g. arcotg_udc.ko>
insmod /drivers/<path to driver, e.g. g_ether.ko>
ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2

(edited)

4:28 AM

https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/tux-linux/kobo-kernel/src/branch/master/mini

kobo-kernel

A set of enhanced kernels for various Kobo devices

/etc/rcS, right? (edited)

/etc/init.d/rcS (edited)

ok

it will enable usbnet and when you'll connect the device to a computer, you'll be able to telnet it via usb

4:29 AM

(or ssh)

4:29 AM

an example: https://yingtongli.me/blog/2018/07/30/kobo-telnet-usb.html

Hacking the Kobo Clara HD – 4.1: Telnet over USB

i get the uimage from /mini/kernel right

4:32 AM

and then dd

yeah

4:32 AM

BUT

4:32 AM

install the modules before you reboot

4:32 AM

otherwise usbnet will not work

4:33 AM

like replace /drivers/imx508 or something like that/arcotg_udc.ko with the provided kernel module in the txz archive

oh i get it

4:33 AM

alright

4:33 AM

over ftp?

well, yes, but you could copy them to /mnt/onboard and them cp in telnet

also i have no idea how to download over gitea

there's a little download button there

4:34 AM

i pressed view raw and it started downloading

well you can

dd if=/mnt/onboard/uImage of=/dev/mmcblk0 seek=2048 bs=512, right?

yeah

yaaay

4:41 AM

im learning :D

you put the modules in the right place?

how do i do that

https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/tux-linux/kobo-kernel/src/branch/master

kobo-kernel

A set of enhanced kernels for various Kobo devices

4:41 AM

read the readme

did i miss an arg?

no

ok

4:47 AM

in the tar.xz the folder is named "modules/

oh yeah, doesn't matter

4:48 AM

i'll update the readme

got it

4:48 AM

just to confirm, this is the contents of modules/?

yep

4:49 AM

copy only the modules you need

4:49 AM

inspect /drivers and replace them if they are there

4:49 AM

I included the others, but some are not needed

and do i copy modules/, or the contents of modules/?

the contents

4:50 AM

like if a /drivers/imx508-whatever/g_ether.ko is there, replace the g_ether.ko with the one in the tar.xz

which one

ntx508

if a module is already there do i replace it

yes

4:58 AM

you must replace it or it won't run

okay

4:58 AM

i have no idea where to put some of these

if they're not already in the folders, then they're not needed (edited)

got it

4:59 AM

so i only replace

yes

just dd'ed

sync && reboot

and cross your fingers

5:03 AM

yep

lol

5:03 AM

you read my mind

haha yes

yaaay its booting

good sign

seens to be a bit of a small e-ink render error

ooooh i think that's because I enabled auto-update

5:04 AM

like it's useful for Xorg

5:04 AM

but yeah, I know what you mean

yep

5:05 AM

so auto refresh on eink?

I'll disable it and publish another version

how do i disable it rn

no way

i have to go

ok

oh ok

5:05 AM

i can live with it dont worry

like it's in the .config file

not that big

but I'll change it soon

ok bye

bye

WAIT

5:05 AM

im gonna do hi.sqsh first

you can actually telnet?

no

5:06 AM

i'll use konsole

oooh yeah

5:06 AM

well that should work no problem

5:06 AM

you'll see how it's useful

what cmd

something like mount hi.sqsh /mnt/user

5:07 AM

xz compression with that compressed an 8G filesystem into a 2.6G one

never mind i forgot to update kfmon

oh

gtg, i'll try tmro

5:08 AM

bye

it should be possible with usbms

5:08 AM

bye

@OfficerAction do you have any pointers to build Qt for musl? I tried, but everything seems designed as if I had to use glibc. Also, Cmake gave me unrecognized options errors while trying to configure. Thanks!

tux-linux

@OfficerAction do you have any pointers to build Qt for musl? I tried, but everything seems designed as if I had to use glibc. Also, Cmake gave me unrecognized options errors while trying to configure. Thanks!

Hey for clarification: the libc that it beeing linked to is the one that the toolchain is using. so its glibc for the koxtoolchain. if you want musl you just do the same build but with the musl cross toolchain.

12:34 PM

alternatively you can also configure the koxtoolchain for musl but than you have to rebuild the whole thing

OfficerAction

Hey for clarification: the libc that it beeing linked to is the one that the toolchain is using. so its glibc for the koxtoolchain. if you want musl you just do the same build but with the musl cross toolchain.

Yeah, I used a musl cross toolchain. Well I didn't get that far, because in fact CMake have me errors like "-verbose : option not found" When I saw that I thought CMake was having a really bad time (edited)

1:35 PM

The armv7l one from there : https://musl.cc/

musl libc toolchains | static cross/native toolchains

musl.cc provides static cross- and native- musl-based toolchains for Linux, Windows, and macOS, targeting architectures like ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, RISC-V, S/390, and more.

1:36 PM

Also, looking at the mkspec folder your mentioned, everything seems to be prepared for a glibc build

ok, so configuring with this command outputs that

https://we.tl/t-TXEMm4qacM

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1:56 PM

then it says the same thing for "-verbose", I remove the two and it says

CMake Error at qtbase/cmake/QtProcessConfigureArgs.cmake:472 (message):
  Assigning unknown variable 'OPENSSL_PREFIX' on command line.

also, I changed the -xplatform flag now and added the mmusl option

tried to do it step-by-step

./configure -nomake tests -prefix /mnt/onboard/.adds/${QTDIR} -extprefix /home/${USER}/qt-bin/${QTDIR} -xplatform linux-kobo-musleabihf-g++ -sysroot ${SYSROOT} -qt-libjpeg -qt-zlib -qt-libpng -qt-harfbuzz -qt-pcre -sql-sqlite -linuxfb -no-sse2 -no-xcb -no-xcb-xlib -no-tslib -no-icu -no-dbus -nomake examples -no-compile-examples -openssl-linked OPENSSL_PREFIX="${SYSROOT}/usr/lib"
+ cd qtbase
+ /home/nicolas/qt/qt/qt5/qtbase/configure -top-level -nomake tests -prefix /mnt/onboard/.adds/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo -extprefix /home/nicolas/qt-bin/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo -xplatform linux-kobo-musleabihf-g++ -sysroot /home/nicolas/qt/sysroot -qt-libjpeg -qt-zlib -qt-libpng -qt-harfbuzz -qt-pcre -sql-sqlite -linuxfb -no-sse2 -no-xcb -no-xcb-xlib -no-tslib -no-icu -no-dbus -nomake examples -no-compile-examples -openssl-linked OPENSSL_PREFIX=/home/nicolas/qt/sysroot/usr/lib
opt: libjpeg val: qt
Overriding option 'libjpeg' with 'qt' (was: 'undefined')
opt: zlib val: qt
opt: libpng val: qt
Overriding option 'libpng' with 'qt' (was: 'undefined')
opt: harfbuzz val: qt
Overriding option 'harfbuzz' with 'qt' (was: 'undefined')
opt: pcre val: qt
CMake Error at qtbase/cmake/QtProcessConfigureArgs.cmake:227 (message):
  Unknown command line option '-no-compile-examples'.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  qtbase/cmake/QtProcessConfigureArgs.cmake:531 (qtConfAddError)

you, see I'm damned

ha... suddenly building LFS for my Kobo seems very tempting...

did you add a mkspec for linux-kobo-musleabihf-g++ ?

yes

something is very strange there..

as always with me

are you calling that in the qtbase dir

yes

2:34 PM

I also tried in the qt5 main dir

because you have to do that in the main qt dir

yeah, didn't work either

well it should tho

2:35 PM

maybe you have to refresh the dir (extract it again from the archive)

I already did a git clean

i made the experience that very often i can't build again no matter what after i get an error

well, could you provide me a link of the qt5 tgz you're building with? that could help narrow things a bit

2:36 PM

and on my side I'm going to start building LFS on my RPi

its just the 5.15.2 release

2:37 PM

i could send you my build but thats for glibc

yeah, that's what I should have downloaded

2:38 PM

I think I'll abandon musl for now you see, LFS builds a glibc rootfs

well I'll try as a last resort this tarball along with the howto http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/x/qt5.html

yea thats the official release

2:54 PM

in the link

we'll see

well, could you send me the link of your glibc build? I was thinking about using Alpine linux as the main OS and using various debian chroots for modules (like the UI) so it has glibc

sure

thx

8:05 PM

also, it'd be debian 6, like Glibc from 2014, would that do? max I can install is debian 7

dont see why it wouldn't

well, older version ?

i think it should work either way

ok

8:08 PM

great then!

actually i also have a musl build lol

oooooooooooooooooh (edited)

you can try that as well

ofc

8:14 PM

either way I'll set up Qt in a container-like fashion it'll be easier to upgrade/fix/modify

8:14 PM

but which distro do you use to build it?

i use manjaro as my daily driver

8:15 PM

qt-bin.tar.gz

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oh I was on Ubuntu to make sure I had all the necessary things normally I'd be using Arch maybe I should try on Arch instead?

8:16 PM

thanks for the link btw

manjaro is an arch distro id recomend that

8:17 PM

its all the power of arch with an easy environment like ubuntu

8:17 PM

but without all the cancer

well I don't think it's so hard (edited)

8:18 PM

let me tell you, when you've done Linux From Scratch and Gentoo, Arch is like easy-peasy

the cancer was refering to ubuntu

oh yeah

8:19 PM

that I agree completely

8:19 PM

it has so much garbage

yep and random ass errors

yeah "Ubuntu 20.10 has encountered an internal error" ahhhhh

ahem

8:57 PM

kobo:~/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo_musl/bin# ./qmake
./qmake: line 1: syntax error: unterminated quoted string
kobo:~/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo_musl/bin# readelf -h qmake
ELF Header:
  Magic:   7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
  Class:                             ELF64
  Data:                              2's complement, little endian
  Version:                           1 (current)
  OS/ABI:                            UNIX - GNU
  ABI Version:                       0
  Type:                              DYN (Shared object file)
  Machine:                           Advanced Micro Devices X86-64
  Version:                           0x1
  Entry point address:               0xb760
  Start of program headers:          64 (bytes into file)
  Start of section headers:          28680848 (bytes into file)
  Flags:                             0x0
  Size of this header:               64 (bytes)
  Size of program headers:           56 (bytes)
  Number of program headers:         12
  Size of section headers:           64 (bytes)
  Number of section headers:         39
  Section header string table index: 38
kobo:~/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo_musl/bin#

8:59 PM

did you not compile that for x86_64?

it is

oh

8:59 PM

but then

its working for me so maybe some toolchain dependency mismatch

9:00 PM

no idea

you use that for qt to create binaries that you transplant in the kobo

9:00 PM

without qt in the kobo

9:00 PM

is it?

yea

whew I missed something

9:01 PM

i was trying to compile with an armv7l toolchain lmao

9:01 PM

that's probably why it didn't work

9:01 PM

I thought you needed the qt lib on the kobo to run qt programs on it

um

9:02 PM

yea you need the libs on the kobo

9:02 PM

but qmake is for the host for compiling

oh so if I want to run the scribble program on the kobo, what do I need to do?

you will need to modify the mkspec so it points to your toolchain compiler, you need to setup qtcreator with the qt package, you need to download and compile my platformplugin, then compile the scribble, you need to put all the nessasary qt libs on the kobo and add the platform plugin to the plugin/platform folder, then put scribble on the kobo as well export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${QTPATH}/lib:lib: export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo ./scribble should get it running

9:14 PM

but actually i suggest you try the glibc version first because it will run on the kobo without any chroot and has much less pitfalls

ok that's a lot I'll probably ask you some questions about that, not sure if I'll get through this without help thx

sure

OfficerAction

you will need to modify the mkspec so it points to your toolchain compiler, you need to setup qtcreator with the qt package, you need to download and compile my platformplugin, then compile the scribble, you need to put all the nessasary qt libs on the kobo and add the platform plugin to the plugin/platform folder, then put scribble on the kobo as well export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${QTPATH}/lib:lib: export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo ./scribble should get it running

but how to modify the mkspec if you already provided me the binaries?

the same folder is in there

oh

and for the qt libs? I find them where? (edited)

in the libs folder

oh so they're already compiled for armv7l

9:43 PM

right? (edited)

yep

so only the bin folder is for x86_64

yep its setup for crosscompiling

ok

how to set up qt creator with the qt package?

options -> kits -> add compiler, qt, and kit

ok

10:04 PM

why is there that?

idk can't see

oh ok it's gone now

10:05 PM

like that?

um other way around

?

10:06 PM

oh

you have gcc in g++

and then?

10:07 PM

I just import the project?

yea

10:08 PM

if you have put it all in a kit you can compile with that

10:09 PM

things I should change?

qt

how?

add in qt tab

but why is it still showing a warning sign?

just hover over it maybe because of gdb

warning no device set

you can set that optionally

ok so it'll not be fatal

its nice it will deploy automatically

10:17 PM

yea

https://we.tl/t-JYiQS1tcs6

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yea as it says... you are missing some dependencies in you sysroot

10:26 PM

i guess i can send you that aswell

thx

10:29 PM

but is that normal? --sysroot=/home/andreas/x-tools/arm-kobo-linux-musleabihf/arm-kobo-linux-musleabihf/sysroot

yea for me...

10:33 PM

maybe you have to add a symlink to your sysroot

well I don't have anything in my sysroot

x-tools.tar.gz

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10:35 PM

well you need a sysroot with all the dependency libs

10:35 PM

libstdc++ openssl etc...

yeah

10:36 PM

that?

yea maybe you can overwrite that

armv7l-linux-musleabihf-g++ --sysroot=/home/andreas/x-tools/arm-kobo-linux-musleabihf/arm-kobo-linux-musleabihf/sysroot but how does it know that? I deleted the pro.user file and it still does that

qt is configured that way

10:39 PM

not sure how you can change it afterwards

10:39 PM

google around a bit or you can just create a simlink with that name and point it to your sysroot

yeah that's what I'll do

10:39 PM

or actually create the folder

ok, just to be sure, I put everything except the bin folder in the kobo?

just the lib dir

ok

12:19 AM

and dumb question, but where does qtcreator place the binaries?

?

like, when I build, where is the output?

there is a build folder

12:20 AM

you can check in the project settings

oh thanks, I didn't see it

sorry again, how do I have to put the platform plugin?

12:31 AM

I saw a plugins/ directory, but do I keep the original folder name (qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo-musl) ?

hiya

hi

UMR on the Mini with Alpine Linux and musl The scribble thing didn't work though, and I can't input anything on the device

woo nice

4:38 AM

is there a way to remove the auto update @tux-linux

hmm yeah; dealing with some serial issues now I might publish it for tommorrow

ok, sure

ok, issue solved

4:41 AM

will compile it now

4:42 AM

did squashfs work?

mounted and rebooting

4:51 AM

gotta go :\

ok bye

@OfficerAction sorry to bother you again So Qt on the Kobo with Alpine/Musl went well after jumping through a million hoops. But as you saw above, I can't get any input on the Mini. I switched to my Glo HD to try and see if I'd get any. I'll see that tommorrow. the scribble project is very nice, but could you send me a little and simple example of maybe a push-button centered that would, when it is pressed, terminate the program? so I can see more how to deal with buttons and checkboxes I looked a bit at the UMR code, very very interesting. A bit too complicated for me though haha (at least for now) thanks!

6:14 AM

@fermino I'll test your script probably tomorrow after school, I've been quite "off" KoBox these days, now it's time to get back into it a bit!

@dill https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/tux-linux/kobo-kernel/src/branch/master

tux-linux

@OfficerAction sorry to bother you again So Qt on the Kobo with Alpine/Musl went well after jumping through a million hoops. But as you saw above, I can't get any input on the Mini. I switched to my Glo HD to try and see if I'd get any. I'll see that tommorrow. the scribble project is very nice, but could you send me a little and simple example of maybe a push-button centered that would, when it is pressed, terminate the program? so I can see more how to deal with buttons and checkboxes I looked a bit at the UMR code, very very interesting. A bit too complicated for me though haha (at least for now) thanks!

nice that you could get umr to work. as i said before the input is not right for some devices you can try to adjust the platform plugin parameters and see if that helps: export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo:touchscreen_rotate=90 for example. For the pushbutton you can just google that. Its just regular qt code.

Ok thx

2:04 PM

Also, do you use the Qt UI designer sometimes, or you created the UI in the code?

yea sure the designer is not bad. i use it all the time.

Nice

tux-linux

@dill https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/tux-linux/kobo-kernel/src/branch/master

do i update modules again, or just dd?

modules as well

12:49 AM

sorry for not putting them in a txz, I forgot

no problem

12:50 AM

this makes it easier

it'll take you more time to download them all if you don't do a git clone or a complete download of the repo though

looks like they are in a txz

nooooo

12:52 AM

you took the wrong one

but well, you don't want autoupdate, do you?

ahhh

12:53 AM

i thought that was the one that removed autoupdate

oh

bit of a problem

1:04 AM

cant dd because of wifi not working

but

1:04 AM

you can access konsole?

1:05 AM

usbms > file in /mnt/onboard > dd if=/mnt/onboard/uImage of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=2048

yea, but what about the modules?

same thing

1:06 AM

e.g. mv /mnt/onboard/modules/<some module> /drivers/<platform>/usb/gadget

ah i see

1:06 AM

i used ftp the first time

1:07 AM

ill do that and post the results on MobileRead

1:07 AM

bye

bye you could just also stick the sd card in your computer and put the modules there

k, i'll do that

1:07 AM

bye

@fermino : testing img-tool on a Debian VM, got this error https://pv.olaiz.net/?afe296cb55ecf9e3#ESfDdgnK9mD6ADJTnHDquCUbUdKkDNDdBENZPtHRMSoc

4:13 AM

will investigate

Oh, yeah, you need to create the base file

4:14 AM

The zeroed img and then mke2fs

oh

4:14 AM

and I put it where?

And then create all the root folders

4:15 AM

It goes in base-files

ok

4:19 AM

so I cp the base-layout folder contents to the mounted disk image?

@OfficerAction it's strange, I can't seem to get any input with the musl compiled UMR, I tried a light maps example too and I did have something print on the framebuffer (great!) but I wasn't able to input anything either. with the glibc one (stock install package you provide) all works fine though. Should I try with glibc and a Debian chroot? or is there a simpler fix?

@dill did you receive my PM? (edited)

tux-linux

so I cp the base-layout folder contents to the mounted disk image?

Only the folders, not it's contents

4:56 AM

Its*

4:56 AM

And chown them to the user running the imgtool

but wait, will the minirootfs files get to the img at some point?

Yeap

4:57 AM

The folders are just a quick workaround for the owner problem

ok

5:00 AM

but you lost me there what should I do next?

=================================
=== KoBox Image Creation Tool ===
=================================

Pulling from repo...
Cloning into 'base-layout'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 404, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (404/404), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (330/330), done.
remote: Total 404 (delta 44), reused 379 (delta 28), pack-reused 0
Receiving objects: 100% (404/404), 6.79 MiB | 1.77 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (44/44), done.
Checking out files: 100% (804/804), done.
Already up to date.
=> Last commit is e178db0

Preparing filesystem...
ok

Building...
Copying e178db0-alpine.img
Mounting e178db0-alpine.img
e178db0-alpine.img mapped as /dev/loop2
Error mounting /dev/loop2: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.AlreadyMounted: Device /dev/loop2 is already mounted at `/media/nicolasm/57c84e5c-288a-437f-a9b3-ec965ca659b4'.

e178db0-alpine.img mountd on
Building e178db0-alpine.img
Unmounted /dev/loop2.
Error deleting loop device /dev/loop2: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._g_2dbd_2dloop_2derror_2dquark.Code1: Error deleting /dev/loop2: Failed to detach the backing file from the /dev/loop2 device: No such device or address
Compressing image...
Removing block file...
done :)

Oh

5:01 AM

Make sure that the img is not already mounted

i'll reboot the vm, should solve some problems

Good idea

also, if we want to build on x86_64, maybe integrating qemu-arm-static would be useful

5:03 AM

and like create a cross-chroot environment

That'd be super nice

pretty simple too

# cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static ./chroot-dir/usr/bin
# chroot ./chroot-dir /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /bin/sh

(edited)

5:05 AM

how nice, my VM is corrupted somehow, X won't start haha

5:05 AM

it always does that, when you're not expecting it at all

@tux-linux on MR?

5:04 PM

wait i see

@tux-linux how do I launch InkVT

there should be a nickelmenu entry

5:24 PM

(if you installed NickelMenu and KFMon)

yea

can you launch it then? (edited)

it just restarted nickel...

oh ok

5:25 PM

go in Konsole

5:25 PM

then

5:26 PM

/mnt/onboard/.adds/inkvt/inkvt.armhf what's the output?

5:26 PM

but you know, you could test squashfs in CoolReader (pbchess)

[FBInk] Detected a Kobo Mini (340 => Pixie @ Mark 4)

[FBInk] Enabled Kobo w/o Multitouch quirks
[FBInk] Clock tick frequency appears to be 100 Hz
[FBInk] Screen density set to 200 dpi
[FBInk] Variable fb info: 800x600, 32bpp @ rotation: 0 (Upright, 0 *degrees sign*)
[FBInk] Fixed fb info: ID is "mxc_epdc_fb", length of fb mem: 2179072 bytes & linelength: 3200 bytes
[FBInk] Canonical rotation: 1 (Clockwise, 90 *degrees sign*)
[FBInk] Fontsize set to 16x32 (Terminus base glyph size: 8x16)
[FBInk] Line length: 50 cols, Page size: 18 rows
[FBInk] Horizontal fit is perfect!
[FBInk] Vertical fit isn't perfect, shifting rows down by 12 pixels
[FBInk] Pen colors set to #000000 for the foreground and #FFFFFF for the background
setsockopt w/ SO_REUSEPORT: Protocol not available 

input_timeout
atexit_called

hmm and nothing shows on the screen?

nope, nothing

I'd want to try it on my Mini now but I don't have access to the stock firmware for now

5:45 PM

still, you could try mounting a squashfs somewhere and accessing files with coolreader, try to read some

how do I mount

book.sqsh

88 KB

5:46 PM

mount /mnt/onboard/book.sqsh /some/mountpoint

such as mount /mnt/onboard/book.sqsh /mnt/onboard?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

5:48 PM

not in /mnt/onboard

5:48 PM

more like /mnt/user

then i put my books in user?

no you have to squash them first

5:48 PM

I included a sample book from gutenberg.org as an example

5:52 PM

to squash them in WSL mksquashfs /some/dir /some/squashfs.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp gzip -always-use-fragments

5:52 PM

install squashfs-tools if command not found

no WSL rn

windows?

yeh

virtualbox?

no virtualization

liveusb?

the etcher one?

well yeah

6:00 PM

when you installed ubuntu you had a liveusb

6:01 PM

just choose "try ubuntu" instead of "Install" and you'll be greeted with a full ubuntu desktop

ok but i might not be able to

6:02 PM

have to go, might be back but not sure

ok

bye

tux-linux

pretty simple too

# cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static ./chroot-dir/usr/bin
# chroot ./chroot-dir /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /bin/sh

(edited)

So can I trigger a script from outside it?

yes, like chroot /mnt /qemu-arm-static /script.sh

im back, on ubuntu

nicee

forgot about the laptop i already had ubuntu on

put your favorite books on a folder

in the kobo?

in ubuntu

oh, so i transfer the books to laptop and then make a folder

6:19 PM

got it

yep

6:20 PM

then come back and I'll explain you the next steps

files won't open

6:21 PM

this is a recurring error with some apps

?

files - as in, the app

what do you mean by "don't open"?

files - it says it's starting up on the top, but then "Files" just disappears and it won't open

open terminal

6:22 PM

reinstall ubuntu asap

6:22 PM

but now we'll cope with it

yeah thats what i thought too

6:23 PM

but i dont want ubuntu, i want arch

ok

6:23 PM

did you open terminal?

it's opening

6:24 PM

thats it, terminal wont open, i'm gonna reinstall

6:24 PM

i have a live usb in my pocket

that's handy

freshly flashed

6:25 PM

yup, i carry it around just in case

6:25 PM

so, i delete the ubuntu partition, and then boot from the usb and install again?

hmm no

6:25 PM

you boot from the usb first

6:26 PM

but to make things simpler, you could actually just use the liveusb as your linux environment that's what I do all the time

6:26 PM

(I customize the livecds of course)

yeah i'mma do that

6:26 PM

brb, booting from usb

but you'll want to save your data on an external drive (or in the internal one) because all changes to the rootfs are backed in RAM

i dont have any data rn

6:27 PM

oh i see

well, your books they'll go in the ereader so it's fine

ok, rebooting

nice

wait, i'll first get etcher on windows then etch the arch iso

alternative

6:29 PM

in the ubuntu syslinux splash, press like f2, and then f6, change the end of the bootargs to \splash toram

6:29 PM

it will copy the squashfs rootfs to RAM, so you'll be able to reflash the liveusb because all will be in ram

im starting up the other laptop that i use for etching images

oh that's fine too

i cant find where to download the arch image :\

archlinux.org

yeah i know, im on the downloads page, but where's the image?

choose a mirror

downloading it

6:35 PM

i went to its.dal.ca

should be fine

WAIIIT in the meantime, i managed to launch terminal

hmm

6:36 PM

ok and files? does it launch now?

yep

well that's good

yeah apparently all problems are solved :D

nice so put your books in a folder

sorry, i was downloading

it's ok

i accidentally named the folder "lord of the ringas"

(edited)

oh

ok, made folder

6:46 PM

now, squash?

yeah

6:47 PM

mksquashfs lord-of-the-rings lotr.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp gzip -always-use-fragments

my folder is called Lord Of The Rings, and it's located in home (edited)

why a folder with spaces?

6:48 PM

rule no.1 in linux: never do that

k, renaming

6:49 PM

"LOTR"

but in your case it'd be like mksquashfs /home/Lord\ of\ the\ rings/ lotr.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp gzip -always-use-fragments

6:50 PM

or mksquashfs "/home/Lord of the rings" lotr.sqsh blablabla

yeah

apparently no such file or directory

6:51 PM

huh

ls /home ?

6:51 PM

my guess is it would be more like in /home/dill

bingo

yep, definitely in /home/dill/LOTR

6:52 PM

you've been mislead by Nautilus' "Home" definition

6:52 PM

which is not good at all

6:52 PM

is it there?

yep

so the file should be in /home/dill

6:54 PM

or "Home" in files/nautilus

so if i understand, i put lotr.sqsh into /mnt/onboard of the kobo, then mount it on /mnt/user?

yep

how do i fix InkVT?

don't know for now

6:57 PM

try with konsole

np

7:00 PM

it works :D

7:00 PM

but pbchess doesnt agree with my eink screen, which is unusual

did it work before now?

7:00 PM

did it work after you flashed the new kernel?

yep, it's usable, but there's a grey bar on the side

7:01 PM

which i can usually get rid of with a sleep and wake

... but now you can't

do what?

get rid of with sleep/wake

yea i can

oh well it's fine then

and its not that much of a problem really

7:03 PM

reading

nice

i'm gonna delete ubuntu and start arch

7:04 PM

so, i delete the ubuntu partition, and then boot off the usb, then install arch?

boot off the usb, delete the ubuntu partition, then install arch

how do i delete the ubuntu partition with arch

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide

Installation guide

7:05 PM

don't worry i'll be there to help

7:07 PM

do i plug usb in first, or do i turn off laptop first

doesn't matter

k rebooting

7:07 PM

i've booted on the usb and i have a zsh prompt

7:16 PM

now what

7:17 PM

@tux-linux half of the things in the install guide are way over my head :\

ok, i've gone up to the partitioning step

7:31 PM

i've written with fdisk

you didn't mess up the windows partition?

i have no idea...

we'll see

i deleted partition 6, kind of stupid of me

7:34 PM

i'm about to install it

7:34 PM

on /dev/sda6

fine

https://itsfoss.com/install-arch-linux/

How to Install Arch Linux in 2020 [Step by Step Guide]

Ready to get your hands dirty with the big boy's Linux distro? Here's a step by step guide to show you how to install Arch Linux.

7:36 PM

im following this guide

well it's fine too

i think i've done it

nice

7:39 PM

reboot, moment of truth

7:39 PM

you've installed grub?

i have to configure first

7:40 PM

grub?

7:40 PM

how? pacstrap?

yeah, it's after

7:40 PM

continue the guide

after timedatectl list-timezones

7:45 PM

it wont let me type commands

?

lines (numbers) END

type q

1

7:49 PM

installing grub

7:53 PM

getting GNOME

ok

man, pacman is useful

7:55 PM

the problem is, i always have to use a wired connection because the wireless adapter on this laptop is broken

wired is still faster than wifi

yeh

you can also buy a wifi to wired adapter

less convenient though

7:56 PM

and the laptop has a trash battery, so it always has to be plugged in

then using wired isn't a concern

yep

8:03 PM

i can't login...

did you set a password?

no

well...

it didn't say how to set one :\

that's the pitfalls of using another guide than the official one

yep

8:05 PM

what now?

boot into the liveusb, mount the partition at /mnt, arch-chroot /mnt, then passwd

so basically a reinstall?

no

8:08 PM

just remount the partition and chroot, then run the passwd command to set a root password

which one do i boot onto? the install medium?

liveusb

yeah but i booted off the live usb and its saying "install medium, boot existing os," etc

install medium

k

8:10 PM

so:

mount /dev/sda6 /mnt 
arch-chroot /mnt
passwd

?

yeah

8:10 PM

then exit and reboot

i did exit and shutdown now, but no difference i guess

8:12 PM

...idk what my username is ;\

root

the screen appears to be all grey

8:13 PM

nvm

?

8:13 PM

oh

how do i create a normal user? this is priveliged

8:14 PM

or however you spell it (edited)

useradd -m -G wheel dill

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

then passwd dill

8:14 PM

then pacman -S sudo

8:15 PM

nano /etc/sudoers uncomment the line that starts with %wheel

WAIIT wifi seems to be working :O

8:16 PM

my dad said it only sometimes works :\ (edited)

tux-linux

useradd -m -G wheel dill

i just used settings

tux-linux

did you set a password?

I made the same mistake the first time I tried to install arch

9:04 PM

And the second too hahahah

9:04 PM

IIRC

no me was that I forgot to install dhcpcd

when i open software, it says "no application data found"

9:06 PM

and, before, windows 10 was on /dev/sda1... but it doesnt show on boot

9:06 PM

nor does it show ubuntu on boot

9:06 PM

i got arch on /dev/sda6 though

9:07 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

dill

when i open software, it says "no application data found"

Don't use "Software"

use sudo apt-get?

https://archlinux.org/packages/ is your friend

ah

9:09 PM

also, discord seems to crash (edited)

with pacman -S

9:09 PM

the app or in the browser?

browser

what is the one you're using?

...web

don't

9:11 PM

btw real name of it is epiphany

which one, and how do i get it? (edited)

pacman -S chromium-browser or pacman -S firefox

9:11 PM

also, don't forget to do a pacman -Syu regularly

yeah, i saw "client=epiphany" in google, wondered what that was about

9:11 PM

k

9:12 PM

and what of windows/ubuntu?

well you probably destroyed ubuntu while installing arch

ah

maybe windows too

9:12 PM

that idk

no, i didnt touch sda1

9:12 PM

i installed arch on sda6

can you still mount sda1 ?

let me see

9:13 PM

liveusb?

normally, just open terminal

mount /dev/sda1 /mnt?

yeah

brb i'll boot arch

9:13 PM

also apparently "i use arch btw" is a meme

you didn't know that before?

...no

r/archlinux r/linuxmasterrace r/linuxmemes

im more of a rickroll guy

9:14 PM

as evidenced by my homepage

yeah...

:p

9:15 PM

pacman -S?

yeah

terminal wont open argh

ctrl alt f2

nope

9:22 PM

i ended up spamming terminal and ctrl alt f2, but not working

restart

no :/

9:30 PM

still none

ctrl alt f3, f1, f4, f5, f6 ?

f3 worked

9:33 PM

its a bash shell

pacman -S gnome-terminal konsole xterm

wait i logged in as root and

9:34 PM

tried to mount sda1, it said ntfs wasnt a known fs type

pacman -S ntfs-3g

9:34 PM

retry

fs is "unclean"

9:36 PM

do i need to wash my laptop

it mounted

9:36 PM

no

9:36 PM

hahahah

no, metadata kept in windows cache, refused to mount

9:36 PM

:p

it's windows bloat

9:36 PM

well it didn't erase windows that's great

falling back to read-only because fs is in an unsafe state

9:37 PM

yep :D

9:37 PM

i dont understand though, it says windows is running rn

you shut it down abruptly ?

no

9:37 PM

i used the top right menu

9:38 PM

not a force shutdown

9:41 PM

tried again, now it says: Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is exclusively opened.

umount /mnt

dill

falling back to read-only because fs is in an unsafe state

same problem

idk

i'll restart

9:43 PM

sync && reboot

9:44 PM

im dumb, should have done df -h, right?

9:45 PM

sda1 not showing up

9:45 PM

hm

9:45 PM

i'll be back later (edited)

back

10:32 PM

what do i do now

well do you absolutely need to write to the ntfs partition?

no

then you can leave it to mount read only

so read-only mount, then what

you want to run windows?

ye

10:33 PM

dual

10:33 PM

mostly i'll be using linux but my parents want to keep windows

did you install arch in uefi or bios?

not a uefi system, i think it was bios

try this (first answer)

10:36 PM

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/476904/grub-mkconfig-cant-find-windows-10

grub-mkconfig can't find windows 10

I have two SSDs in my PC, one with a working Windows 10 on, and the other a fresh install of Antergos. Booted Antergos up to get grub set up with both installs, but having difficulties there. I have

The mount thing is because fast boot is enabled

10:38 PM

It works (sort of) like hibernation

oh yeaaaah

10:39 PM

that's far back in my head

So even if you shut down properly it'll mount it as reado-only

10:39 PM

Hahahahah

you have to shut down with SHIFT when pressing "Shut down"

ohhh okay i'll try that

*on windows, the shutdown thing

no, the mkconfig thing

ah

11:03 PM

good

not a dir

blkid

11:06 PM

check the value of "PARTUUID"

but it should be "UUID" not "PARTUUID" right?

11:10 PM

associated with your partition

yep

PARTuuid

okay

wait, but the UUID looks more like the example given

11:25 PM

@tux-linux i'm kinda confused

on what

the UUID of sda1 looks more like the example on the stack exchange (edited)

11:26 PM

than the partUUID

well that's what you want right?

you said part uuid though

ok take the uuid then, see what happens

k

11:30 PM

so, how do i switch back to arch from the CL?

11:30 PM

do i reboot?

what?

i'm in a command line rn, no cursor or anything

well youre in arch

11:31 PM

ctrl alt f1/f2

thx

command not found (edited)

grub-mkconfig

/boot/grub2/grub.cfg.new: no such file or directory

/boot/grub

thx rebooting

11:48 PM

11:51 PM

yeee, it works

11:52 PM

thank you for bearing with me :D

1

11:52 PM

gotta go bye

@OfficerAction a sneak peek of InkBox 2 days of work on this, but proud of the result, even if it's nothing but an About Box and a dummy Settings window... Qt really is awesome (edited)

6:21 AM

awsome! nice start

Thx

:O

6:16 PM

awesome!

1

@OfficerAction maybe you should try other fonts for UMR, I took Inter for my project, and it feels much more modern than FreeSans/DejaVu in UMR Just a suggestion, your app is already super awesome :)

@tux-linux some apps wont open on arch

10:37 PM

it says theyre loading on the top, but then it disappears and it doesn't load (edited)

10:38 PM

e. g. terminal

here's the output from xterm

10:47 PM

the locale: i tried to set a language/date/timezone but it said nothing was found

10:47 PM

i uncommented the locale in /etc/locale.gen

10:47 PM

and ran locale-gen

10:48 PM

still didnt work

10:48 PM

even after a reboot

k, looks like i had /etc/locale.conf messed up

11:17 PM

gonna try and reboot

11:17 PM

11:23 PM

fixed it

11:24 PM

im so proud

Glad that it worked for you! You'll learn lots of UNIX stuff with Arch!

1

that was probably the issue with ubuntu too, now that i think about it...

Ubuntu should have it set up automatically for you

11:32 PM

Btw, copy paste in terminal is shift ctrl C/v/x

thanks :)

1

11:36 PM

is there a dark mode on arch? i'm not a light mode guy

sudo pacman -Sy gnome-tweak-tool

11:51 PM

or sudo pacman -Sy gnome-tweaks if it doesn't work

thanks

11:52 PM

also

11:52 PM

virtualbox kernel driver doesnt appear to be installed

install qemu

11:53 PM

sudo pacman -S qemu

11:53 PM

and then, you create a virtualdisk

11:53 PM

qemu-img create -f qcow2 image.img 10G

11:53 PM

and run the machine

11:54 PM

qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom <some iso> -hda image.img -m <RAM, e.g. 4096> -enable-kvm

instead of sudo, i have root signed in on console

11:54 PM

k, thanks

DON'T (edited)

why not?

https://serverfault.com/questions/57962/whats-wrong-with-always-being-root

What's wrong with always being root?

I have a feeling this is a stupid question, but this is something I've wondered for awhile. I have a VPS and this is my first big linux venture. I am the only person who has access to it. My quest...

11:55 PM

plus, all your files' permissions will be f**** up (edited)

bash: sudo: command not found

11:55 PM

oh dang

11:56 PM

ye thats why i dont use sudo

well you didn't install sudo

11:56 PM

you can use sudo don't be always root

i have to install sudo? pacman -S sudo?

11:57 PM

no, Dill is running in gnome, but root is running in console

11:57 PM

console, as in, ctrl + alt + f3

sudo essentially does

user $ su root
root # some command here
root # exit
user $

11:57 PM

don't , still

oh ok

11:57 PM

i see

and you can be as root just by typing su root on whatever terminal you're logged in

installed

install sudo then nano /etc/sudoers uncomment line where it says "%wheel" logout login

11:58 PM

but do that as root for now, or it'll say "dill is not in the sudoers file"

tux-linux

but do that as root for now, or it'll say "dill is not in the sudoers file"

i did it as dill :\ and it said i wasnt in the sudoers file, this incident will be reported

12:00 AM

reported to root, right?

well do it as root

su root?

no, reported in some syslog file

12:00 AM

yea

oh

https://xkcd.com/838/

xkcd: Incident

loooool

tux-linux

qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom <some iso> -hda image.img -m <RAM, e.g. 4096> -enable-kvm

<some iso>?

well

12:04 AM

doesn't it ring a bell?

iso is an image file...

to...

... install some distro

ah

... liveusb ...?

liveusb was misplaced :/

?

i misplaced my usb

no

12:05 AM

you download the iso and you pass it to qemu

ok

e.g. qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom archlinux-2020.02.25.iso -hda image.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm

im gonna try and emulate windows first

what pc are you on

because windows on this laptop is utter sh**

how many years old the pc?

ps - acer aspire 5732 z

12:06 AM

idk

well

12:06 AM

old?

ye

12:06 AM

i think its about as old as me, and im 12

then windows 10 will be even more utterly shi**y

dang

I suggest you go with w7

12:07 AM

or tiny7

12:07 AM

https://archive.org/details/Tiny7

Tiny 7 Windows : eXPreience : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming ...

This is a lite way version of windows 7! It's super fast and take less then 800MB of ram!!! Super Great!

imma try w8.1

you're gonna regret it

hm

12:08 AM

fine 7

12:09 AM

why does linux feel like a virtual machine to me

12:09 AM

i guess im just used to windows

yep

windows product key?!

you'll soon realize that you were in a jail of bloat and sh** with Windows

12:09 AM

huh well

12:10 AM

it's a "pirated" windows version, if you don't mind that

12:10 AM

so no product key

ye i definitely realize that

12:10 AM

ok ill try this

also it's 32-bit, but given the age of your pc, i wouldn't mind that much

12:12 AM

how much ram?

12:12 AM

free -mh

12:14 AM

also, you could try to append -vga virtio to the qemu cmd, you'll have a neat and crisp scaled resolution

@fermino I was thinking, we could do an OOBE for KoBox in Qt

12:24 AM

launch it either on "embedded" or windowed mode

12:25 AM

even do an "app launcher" which could launch X apps, making it easier for touch and the corners of the screen it could have a dashboard wow that'd be nice what do you think?

That'd be great! It is a really good idea

12:26 AM

It will take time that, to be honest I don't really have much (edited)

well i have;)

In any case I'm still available for all hosting/deployment/automation stuff that might be necessary

given inkbox and my recent (well hard) introduction to Qt with gazilions of compilation errors, I think I'll progress furthermore with this and be able to provide a cool GUI for kobox, nicer than mate-panel

Nice!

then we could launch Xorg apps fullscreen and maybe exit them with a special window/button somewhere

and while KB is loading, there could be a loading screen

yep

my download speed for tiny7 is slow...

how slow?

12:31 AM

mine is 1.3mb/s so you can't be that much under

15 mins left to download 700 mb

here downloading 512M of data takes 30 mins

>_<

12:32 AM

yikes :/

and when you download the whole windows 10 iso

12:32 AM

well

12:32 AM

4.4g

12:32 AM

you're gonna have a bad time waiting

...that'd be painful no matter how fast our wifi connections were

yeah I'm using wired there, it doesn't help really

wired is necessary here

12:34 AM

honestly its convenient because it also had to be plugged in (edited)

it's probably the server's speed which makes the download slow

yeah

e.g. you download deepin linux from china

12:34 AM

hmm

12:34 AM

good ol' 100kb/s downlink

that would be true pain

but you should look at it it is really beautiful

12:35 AM

(even if it has an EULA)

deepin?

yep

12:35 AM

just loading their homepage will give you a hint of what the download's going to be like

oooh, like windows, arch, and mac os all rolled into one

yep

12:36 AM

you can download from osdn though

12:36 AM

it's faster

12:36 AM

https://osdn.net/projects/deepin/storage/20.1_1010/deepin-desktop-community-1010-amd64.iso

Downloading File /20.1_1010/deepin-desktop-community-1010-amd64.iso...

Free download page for Project deepin's deepin-desktop-community-1010-amd64.iso.deepin is an elegant, easy to use and reliable domestic desktop operating system released by Deepin Technology Co...

12:36 AM

.... and test the iso in QEMU!

i have a feeling my parents wouldnt let me take the time to install yet another distro

12:37 AM

oh yeah!

or make your own livedvd/usbs like me

12:37 AM

wait I'll show you a pic

lol, i tried a live dvd for ubuntu but the disk got stuck in the computer so live usb forever

oh

12:38 AM

wait a little I need to find them

k np

12:39 AM

i wonder if theres a tiny 10... im not fond of windows 7

no

12:42 AM

that's a lot

I made them back when I used my Mac

nice!!!

it had a dvd drive

12:43 AM

thousands of customized arch linux ones, ubuntu, q4os, popos, kubuntu

whooooo

12:44 AM

but for arch, wouldnt you have to setup each time you booted off a cd?

no

12:44 AM

customized I said!

oh!

so everything is there

that's amazing

wm, X, firefox, chrome, apps

12:44 AM

custom user name, custom password

btw, would pacman -S chrome work?

12:45 AM

never mind, i answered my own question (edited)

It takes a LOT of time to set up, and you want it to be absolutely clean and perfect, because you'll live with the same system for the following months e.g. archisos are the worst; you have to set up them in a chroot and kde is so finicky that a small clipboard selection won't go in the history, you have to set up the themes, double-check everything, re double-check everything, install and set up all other programs, and ensure that they work correctly

archisos are the worst, yeah

that's about 1 entire day of work, maybe 2 or 3 when I decide to redo it because it isn't clean

dang!

well not the worst; but the worst to set up and make

12:47 AM

and finally you do the mighty salute command mksquashfs rootfs/ filesystem.squashfs -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments

it took me all yesterday morning to install arch, and that was with help from you and a setup guide

I know it by heart now

wooo

and it's freezed foreever

the only command i know by heart is dd

12:48 AM

and cp

and ls

12:48 AM

(well I hope, don't you?)

...yep

ls | grep ?

no?

ls | grep some_filename

12:48 AM

that's U S E F U L

also, i got tiny7 downloaded

also, hint for you in the future, when you'll try to do ls -R / and it won't work find / | grep something

12:49 AM

well start qemu

after -cdrom i have to include the full file location, right

qemu-img create -f qcow2 tiny.img 10G qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom tiny7.iso -hda tiny.img -enable-kvm -m 2048 -vga virtio

12:50 AM

no

really!

if you're in the in the folder, you can just put its filename

oh im not in it

btw it's called relative and absolute paths

i'll cd

12:51 AM

oh okay (edited)

pwd

12:51 AM

that'll give you the current dir you're in

Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory
qemu-system-x86_64: failed to initialize kvm: No such file or directory

(edited)

modprobe kvm-intel

12:54 AM

as root

12:54 AM

or sudo

12:55 AM

if it doesn't work well then... the emulation will be slow

modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'kvm_intel': Operation not supported

12:55 AM

wait...

bad luck :/

12:55 AM

remove -enable-kvm

ye ok nvm

12:55 AM

ok

but it will be slow sloooooooooow

12:56 AM

maybe virtualbox could work but that's a complicated install

yeah i tried with pacman but there was something about the kernel

i know

12:56 AM

that's why i stopped using virtualbox

12:56 AM

too complicated to setup, and when you get it working they do an update that breaks everything

Windows is loading files...

yep

12:58 AM

the reason kvm doesn't work is probably because the cpu is too old

good old loading screen from when i was 4 years old (edited)

haha

yeah it def is old

no me I knew WinXP

havent ever used it

good ol' blue "Welcome" screen with the cool jingle

haha

12:59 AM

i grew up with 7 and 8.1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQ2oiVqKHw

Ballyweg

Microsoft Windows XP Startup Sound

ah there we go, the login screen!

login?

meanwhile my computer sounds like an airplane

you mean you already installed it?

wait...

hahaha not unusual

setup is starting

1:00 AM

yep

1:03 AM

still starting, and my computer is lagging

you see why installing 8.1 or up would be a pain

1:03 AM

it's normal

yep

it will finish... some day...

heh

1:03 AM

i'm gonna read

good idea

while this is loading

me I'm working on inkbox

hows it going?

trying to figure out how to do something when a checkbox is toggled

oh

and to write that to a config file

1:04 AM

you know

hm

C++

1:04 AM

and Qt

ah yikes

1:04 AM

never liked the C languages

two things I didn't know well until yesterday

1:05 AM

no they're great, just the learning curve is hard, so that's why you don't like them

ah

1:05 AM

gotta go :/

1:06 AM

bye

oh ok bye

im back and i have a question

3:54 AM

how do i install different distros in different partitions

3:55 AM

eg arch in sda1, ubuntu in sda2, deepin in sda3, etc

3:56 AM

@tux-linux

i'd say it's a pretty bad idea

why?

I've not had good experience with this before

ah

but you could use gparted or fdisk to partition the disks

4:01 AM

then manual install each distro

hypothetically: dd if=ubuntu.img of=/dev/sda2?

NOO

4:01 AM

DON'T use dd for things like that

fdisk?

you know its nickname?

ye

disk destroyer

i know haha

but maybe that it'd work it's just that it's not very recommendable

used fdisk for arch

well you could use that

4:02 AM

why not install Gentoo?

4:02 AM

I'd be there to help

4:02 AM

and I'd do it at the same time

4:03 AM

and you'll learn a good bunch of new things about Linux

i want to try lots of distros in diff partitions

4:04 AM

i have 6 partitions

4:05 AM

and my dad said i could destroy windows

yeepee

that'll be fun

suggestion

tux-linux

then manual install each distro

Yeap, if the grub is properly installed it should work well

wipe the hard disk

4:05 AM

how many space do you have?

idk

4:05 AM

let me see

fermino

Yeap, if the grub is properly installed it should work well

yes, and not when you choose "install alongside bla bla bla" that's the worst thing to do

Yes

4:06 AM

Totally

4:06 AM

I agree

240 gb i think but i really dk

4:06 AM

brb

oh yeah

4:06 AM

ok

sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda

yeah also

30g for each partition should be plenty

yep

I'd do the following:

maybe a centralized data partition could be nice

512M EFI, free, home, 20G * _amount_of_distros, 16G SWAP

4:08 AM

Home would be shared data

i don't think he has efi

4:08 AM

his laptop is like 12 years old

Oh, right

16G swap? that's A LOT

I'd leave some free space to install whatever distro he wants after trying

4:09 AM

(I have that on my pc, haven't really needed it though) (edited)

but @Elektron, please check the amount of ram on your pc

4:09 AM

oh ok

Is probably overkill

yes, that's what I thought

Hey @tux-linux have you tried zfs?

no

4:10 AM

I fear it honestly

4:10 AM

ext4 is well fineeeee

Hahahah you are right by doing so

4:10 AM

BUT

4:10 AM

After you get accustomed it's actually amazing

yeah, it seems nice

4:10 AM

but I wouldn't want to move my Qt build stack to that type of filesystem

You could start out with maybe a virtualized freenas instance to get accustomed to the concepts

yeah

4:11 AM

or qemu

Yeah, with FreeNAS I mean the distro

oh ok

It's a FreeBSD distro

nice

4:11 AM

I used bsds before

(so official zfs)

they're... different

4:12 AM

but very awesome

But it seems that zfs on linux is actually stable now so I just made a frankenstein in my pc)

I also managed to install OpenBSD on my 20year old imac G3, worked well

4:12 AM

yeah haha

Oh boy, that's nice

fermino

But it seems that zfs on linux is actually stable now so I just made a frankenstein in my pc)

You're going to laugh at this:

4:13 AM

I have a 220GiB sata ssd and a 240GiB nvme ssd, both are sort of old and I can't actually boot from the nvme so it's pretty useless for the system

4:14 AM

So I made this, 60G in the ssd for /, then the rest of the sata+the nvme in a raid0 array with zfs

4:14 AM

And 16G of swap in the nvme

4:15 AM

So the plan is to have at least home in the r0 array but I'll try to move some system stuff there and see how bad it breaks hahahah

good luck

4:15 AM

i'd give this a failure rate of 50/50

4:16 AM

and if you put 16G swap on the nvme ssd someday it will wear out too much and just be unusable

4:17 AM

but well, I hope for you that it will work...!

tux-linux

and if you put 16G swap on the nvme ssd someday it will wear out too much and just be unusable

Probably, I haven't seen the system using too much swap anyways, usually <20MB (edited)

you probably have enough ram

And the best part about zfs is that it'll take advantage of the free ram, and well, compression

tux-linux

you probably have enough ram

16G too

tux-linux

but well, I hope for you that it will work...!

Thank you!!

There you go

Woah

4:20 AM

W o a h

I can SSH into it

4:20 AM

233mhz cpu (edited)

4:20 AM

slower than the kobo

Wow

4:23 AM

What about RAM?

hahaha (edited)

4:23 AM

256M

4:23 AM

but before it was 32M

4:23 AM

let me tell you it was not a joy to use it

4:24 AM

ha btw I even installed gcc on it

4:24 AM

and I tried to compile Python

tux-linux

i don't think he has efi

yep

4:25 AM

no efi

tux-linux

but @Elektron, please check the amount of ram on your pc

how?

4:26 AM

wait nvm i'll check in settings

4:27 AM

3.8 GiB of memory

4:27 AM

160 gb total :/

I'd say 8G of swap then

yep

That's still plenty!

im familiar with swap because my chromebook doesn't have enough ram for me

dill

how?

In the console you can do a free -mh

console or terminal?

4:28 AM

never mind same thing

hmm you should read what the terms really mean

yea

4:29 AM

i have a pdf about linux on my kobo so i also wanted to start on that

nice!

4:29 AM

btw I'm planning to write a book

4:30 AM

title: What if your brain was running Linux

YES

it'd have dmesg logs, strace, shell logs and a main human-readable story

4:31 AM

seriously if I write it then it'd be a great book lots of fun (edited)

definitely

4:31 AM

the title alone is awesome

c? (edited)

@fermino what do you think about the book?

4:32 AM

yes

wooo that looks old

4:32 AM

20 years old at least?

1998

dang!

4:33 AM

10 yrs older than me

4:33 AM

just btw, "super" is the Windows key, right?

yeah

'kay

4:34 AM

also, i lost my liveusb :(

already?

4:34 AM

well don't worry; it happens to anyone

4:35 AM

me it's more like when I loose my sd card adapter (at least once a day)

well i have had it lying around on my desk but yeah i lose stuff a lot

and when I lost microSDs

that would be painful to find

wait, SCREWS

can i make a "liveSD?"

aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

4:36 AM

no

4:36 AM

well

4:36 AM

maybe

or "liveMicroSD"

4:36 AM

because i cant get any other drives

but 1. your pc probably wouldn't let you boot into it 2. it'd be difficult to do

the other computer refuses to spit out my CD

Netboot

OH YEAH

PXE

4:36 AM

iPXE

netboot!

yep that's a cool thing

4:37 AM

sometimes I have an ipxe server there; sometimes not

4:37 AM

it's cool to just start off your computer without anything on it, even a drive

i want to keep arch

do you have another computer lying around?

yeh

like an old crappy w10 pc?

no...

like a pc?

well yeah but its used a lot

doesn't matter

what do you have in mind?

do you have windows on it?

yeah

ok

4:38 AM

http://labalec.fr/erwan/?cat=28

4:38 AM

that's the ONLY thing that ties me to windows right now (edited)

4:39 AM

"it just works"

4:39 AM

linux setup is kind of... not easy

what im thinking is, i could use a command to install each distro

4:39 AM

and netboot, at least for ubuntu because its a piece of cake

to netboot? no

how does netboot work?

https://linuxhit.com/pxe-boot-what-is-pxe-how-does-it-work/

linuxhit

PXE Boot, What is PXE? How does it work? - Linuxhit

PXE is a standard for booting a computer over a network. This is a complete guide on how PXE boot works and its use cases.

4:40 AM

basically

tux-linux

@fermino what do you think about the book?

What book?

read a little above

Oh NVM I just read the msgs

4:41 AM

I'd read it, TBH

4:41 AM

Hahahah

it would certainly be interesting

yep, it'll be lots of fun to write

4:42 AM

you know

4:42 AM

Booting Linux on phsyical brain 0x0

when you have insomnia you go shutdown now

yeah

4:43 AM

and when you want to forget all

4:43 AM

rm -rf /

if i wanted to start now, what would i do?

4:43 AM

for installation

download tinypxe

pacman -S tinypxe?

no

4:44 AM

the link I shared with you

4:44 AM

install it on windows

4:44 AM

on your other pc

K

4:44 AM

then

are you sure you don't have your usb somewhere? because it's a lot of hassle to set up all of that

i'll go look around again

4:45 AM

be back in about 3 mins

ok

no luck :/

hmm

i could try and make the other laptop spit out my DVD

4:48 AM

imma do that

yup

4:48 AM

there could be a hole when you could put a paperclip

4:49 AM

and it'd spit out right there

the paper clip worked :D

4:54 AM

so just the matter of flashing images

4:54 AM

right?

nice

4:55 AM

yes you could transplant the hard drive on the other computer

why?

well you want to install via dvd?

4:56 AM

or your pc already has a dvd drive?

i have a dvd now

4:57 AM

yes i want to install with dvd

4:57 AM

both computers have a dvd slot

well burn the iso on the dvd

you can do that with cdrecord or k3b on linux

neat

k3b always worked very well with me

well im on windows with the other one rn

4:58 AM

so im using etcher

huh no

4:58 AM

right click -> burn disc image

is there a difference between burn and flash? just btw

OF COURSE

dang

5:00 AM

i want to flash it though

well no

5:00 AM

it won't work

...i used etcher for ubuntu and it worked?

https://computer.howstuffworks.com/cd-burner.htm

How CD Burners Work

With the rise of the MP3 format, burning your own music CDs has never been so popular -- or so easy. CDs have become one of the most widely adopted data-storage mechanisms.

5:00 AM

etcher is for usb

ok

read this and you'll understand why it's not the same at all

5:01 AM

it's for cds, but basically it's the same thing

is burning permanent though? that's what i want to know

yes

5:02 AM

unless you use a rw dvd

5:02 AM

well is the dvd blank right now?

i think so

5:03 AM

its a dvd-r

well does it have anything inside?

no

5:03 AM

but i only have the one dvd

when you put in the reader, it says "You've inserted a blank disk" or something like that?

"New Volume (D:)"

5:03 AM

nothing in file explorer though

it should be ok

5:04 AM

choose your distro

"This folder is empty."

gentoo ?

ubuntu first

oh no

5:04 AM

no

5:04 AM

no

5:04 AM

it's already written up then

...damn

5:04 AM

so i cant use it?

5:05 AM

pretty sure we have a lot of disks downstairs

well maybe it's just windows that is creating a folder so you can burn files to disc but hasn't burned them yet

5:05 AM

so it could work

5:05 AM

try burning ubuntu, we'll see

k

just right click on the iso and click burn

5:05 AM

and wait patiently

5:05 AM

could take ~30mins

wait no it says "DVD R drive (E:)" but it doesnt show up in file explorer

5:06 AM

only in the img burner

5:06 AM

does that mean its blank

should be good

k

can you click burn?

"theres no disk in ur burner"

5:07 AM

im gonna go check downstairs for any more

yep

:/

5:13 AM

nope

sad

5:14 AM

hunt around for usbs in your house then

my dad says he threw the DVDs away

5:14 AM

maybe

5:15 AM

i only had the one usb

5:15 AM

because the rest are my dad's for work

or hunt around the room you lost it in

done :(

you could try debootstrap

5:16 AM

https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap

or my original suggestion: dd

5:16 AM

or the other things you used

5:16 AM

because i agree, dd would not be safe (edited)

5:17 AM

lets see if nautilus recognizes my dvd

5:18 AM

nope

5:20 AM

k gotta go, i'll try netboot in the morning unless i miraculously find a drive

5:20 AM

bye

ok bye

5:20 AM

I might not be there though

5:20 AM

I'm gonna be away for a few days

sure np

3:53 PM

are you on rn though? @tux-linux

yes

3:53 PM

but not for a long time

sure no problem

3:53 PM

is there a cmd for burning images to partitions?

wellll

3:55 PM

https://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to-boot-linux-iso-images-directly-from-your-hard-drive/

Linux’s GRUB2 boot loader can boot Linux ISO files directly from your hard drive. Boot Linux live CDs or even install Linux on another hard drive partition without burning it to disc or booting from a USB drive.

3:55 PM

it's not stable though and could not work

no harm in trying though

no

i mean there is

but I won't be there to help

3:56 PM

maybe fermino could if he gets online

well then... i'll have to use the guide ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yep

yeah

good luck!

thanks

3:56 PM

do you use fedora

no

3:57 PM

I never really tried it

3:57 PM

well I mean, I booted it at some point

3:57 PM

but arch and debian based distros are fine enough for me

ah

3:59 PM

https://discord.gg/8MdKWGn

Invite to join a server

Linux Hub

info

4:00 PM

and

4:00 PM

https://discord.gg/AREmaJZn

nice

so i can get help from the arch server

great

found my USB drive :DDD

what fs type do i use and how big?

10:24 PM

@fermino can you please give me some pointers?

What do you want it for?

ubuntu 20.10

10:27 PM

/dev/sda5

For the whole system?

no, just ubuntu on one partition

10:28 PM

out of 6 partitions

Oh

10:28 PM

Well

10:28 PM

I'd say 25G, ext4

thanks

10:28 PM

format or no?

And make sure to have a swap partition too

10:28 PM

Yeap

10:28 PM

Format it

how do i do that? (swap)

Are you using the installer?

yep

Just create a partition, 8G and select the type as swap

k, thanks!

10:30 PM

mount point?

10:30 PM

im guessing /mnt

Nope

10:34 PM

For the main partition it would be /

10:34 PM

The swap shouldn't have any

k, thanks!

its not letting me go above 539 MB

11:32 PM

@fermino?

Which one?

fermino

Which one?

ubuntu

11:59 PM

both swap and ext4

Hum.. that's weird, is the disk empty before you try to create one?

12:07 AM

Can you maybe take a picture

fermino

Hum.. that's weird, is the disk empty before you try to create one?

you mean i should wipe the disk?

1:30 AM

what im doing is changing the partition to ext4 and resizing it

gave up on ubuntu and started deepin

1:54 AM

flashing

dill

you mean i should wipe the disk?

It should let you resize it as long as you have enough space free, if not, you should shrink other partitions to make some space

fermino

It should let you resize it as long as you have enough space free, if not, you should shrink other partitions to make some space

i decided i'm gonna resize the partitions with fdisk before i installed, what do you think?

i resized sda2 and planning to install deepin

Should be OK

tux-linux

Should be OK

i decided to wipe my disk and create new partitions with parted

Good idea

fdisk i'm more comfortable with (edited)

12:29 AM

ubuntu is only in emergency mode, any help?

12:29 AM

also can i use the same root partition for different distros

dill

ubuntu is only in emergency mode, any help?

@fermino

dill

also can i use the same root partition for different distros

nvm

@OfficerAction here's my project currently. I'm stuck there for now because I only have LTE and only 250mb of data here. I made some progress setting config options and making them persistent, launching apps, functions, etc. Now I'll try to make an Epub reader but it won't be easy. In the code, I started with *something" but it's very bad and I hope that we'll get QtWebKit running on it, and then epub.js with node and we'd have a working Epub reader Anyways, I included the code and the binaries, you'll want to put them in /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox (edited)

3:33 AM

inkbox.txz

1.29 MB

3:35 AM

inkbox-src.txz

15.69 KB

3:52 AM

Screenshots for the record

Btw for the book, should the brain run with systemd, openrc or sysvinit?

systemd i think

3:51 PM

btw, deepin and arch installs successful!

3:51 PM

:D

3:52 PM

grub also has a nice little aurora wallpaper

nice!

tux-linux

@OfficerAction here's my project currently. I'm stuck there for now because I only have LTE and only 250mb of data here. I made some progress setting config options and making them persistent, launching apps, functions, etc. Now I'll try to make an Epub reader but it won't be easy. In the code, I started with *something" but it's very bad and I hope that we'll get QtWebKit running on it, and then epub.js with node and we'd have a working Epub reader Anyways, I included the code and the binaries, you'll want to put them in /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox (edited)

Hey there. Writing the reader from scratch is quite the task

Just look at koreader or plato, they are massive. It's not impossible tho ;). The other way way is easier. And node runs quite well on the kobo.

Yeah, any pointers to just get it (WebKit) built for the Kobo? I tried removing the flag disabling it and it said that I didn't have the required libc version (edited)

Booting Linux on physical brain 0x0
Linux version 5.4.41-brainux (tyler@tyler) (gcc version 10.2.1 (GCC) ) #99 SMP Tue Mar 2 01:21:47 EST 2021
Brain: Homo Sapiens brain, rev. 1.0 (brainPROC)
Machine model: Tyler Board
Memory policy: Data cache writeback
Brain: All brain(s) started in SVC mode,
Kernel command line: console=ttyNOSE0,115200 rootwait rw mem=VARIABLE boot_port=0 rootfstype=brainFS root=/dev/vstorage0p1
Memory (current): 1024881K/? available
BRAIN-0 enabling additional brainPROC features
BRAIN-0 successfully enabled SLEEP, WAKE, HARD_SLEEP, SOUND, CORE_FUNC
Console: ttyNOSE0 connected, 115200 baud rate.
Brain: Testing write buffer coherency: ok, 2 fails/330 writes

Brought up 1 Brain.
SMP: Total of 1 processors activated.

devtmpfs: initialized
NET: Registered protocol family 16
DMA: preallocated 256KiB pool for atomic coherent allocations.
braincore: registered new interface driver brainfs
braincore: registered new interface driver libsound
braincore: registered new interface driver eyeslib
brain_libsound driver module loaded
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Initialized (extensions: brain_libsound, brain_audio-input-output).
NET: Registered protocol family 31
NET: Registered protocol family 2
NET: Registered protocol family 1
console [ttyNOSE0] enabled
input: hand0,hand1,ear0,ear1,mouth interfaces initialized at /dev/input

6:51 PM

Tyler's brain dmesg log

NICE

4:16 AM

lol i love the "brainux" thing

4:55 AM

:D Some progress with InkBox! It can only display txt files for now but I think it's not that bad after all Thoughts?

:D

5:15 AM

great!!

1

tux-linux

Yeah, any pointers to just get it (WebKit) built for the Kobo? I tried removing the flag disabling it and it said that I didn't have the required libc version (edited)

For WebKit I think it's just like WebEngine(chrome), it needs a recent glibc witch in turn needs a more recent kernel than on the kobo (>=3.2 i think). No chance to get it running.

9:00 PM

Another libc like musl is the only way

9:01 PM

Or if you have a newer kernel on the kobo that should also work

Well New kernels on mark 7s don't help But maybe it's the libc which causes all of those problems Maybe a Debian chroot with glibc?

How about a first pre-alpha release?

7:27 PM

YES

11:45 PM

btw, you're back?

yes

cool

11:46 PM

so, only txt for now? i'm assuming it has something to do with cat (edited)

I could create a git repo tonight, but I want to do some more coding with a text select function that would search dictionnaries

11:46 PM

yes

11:46 PM

and it's ... well, trash

by what standards?

like, not good for anything beyond displaying text

11:47 PM

like forget pre-formatted centered text

"Huckleberry Finn"?

11:47 PM

oh

sometimes the text just clips and goes out of the display

11:48 PM

no not something with cat

yikes :/

it's a ... compilcated ... mess ... of qlabel + qfile + python + qdiriterator

ah

11:48 PM

also when i try to install browsers on deepin, it says "broken dependencies"

11:49 PM

plus, discord gives me an update message, but the tar.gz is "corrupted" or something and the .deb is "broken dependencies" again

that'll give you an idea of how trash the thing is (but should be fixable in the future though)

#!/usr/bin/python3

import os

os.chdir("/inkbox/book/split")
book = open("../book.txt", "r")
text = book.read()
book.close()

booklist = text.split(" ")
split_booklist = [booklist[x:x+225] for x in range(0, len(booklist),225)]
len_split_booklist = len(split_booklist)

i = 0

while i < len_split_booklist:
    print(i)
    istr = str(i)
    file_iterator = open(istr, "w")
    writecontent = " ".join(split_booklist[i])
    # writecontent = writecontent.replace("\n", " ")
        i += 1

dill

plus, discord gives me an update message, but the tar.gz is "corrupted" or something and the .deb is "broken dependencies" again

in those cases i reinstall the distro AND i do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

im using the app store thingy, maybe thats why

don't

apt-get?

apt is the way

k, i'll go ahead and boot deepin

to search the pkg you want, google ubuntu <pkg>

11:52 PM

and you'll likely get the name of the pkg that you'll be able to install with apt install <pkg>

k

11:52 PM

brb

it wont work but i'll live

12:00 AM

i have discord on arch anyways and i got chromium

12:00 AM

which distro should i install next?

12:00 AM

@tux-linux

i suggest you try gentoo

i have the gentoo img on my usb rn actually

12:01 AM

no idea how to install though

if you're brave enough, linux from scratch

12:01 AM

nice!

i'll look up the guide

12:02 AM

apparently i dont have chromium .-.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation

Installation

wait nvm i forgot, i reinstalled arch a couple days ago

12:02 AM

thx

12:03 AM

also, how do i create a swap partition with fdisk

12:03 AM

or

12:03 AM

any other command

https://www.computernetworkingnotes.com/rhce-study-guide/how-to-create-swap-partition-in-linux.html

How to create swap partition in Linux

This tutorial explains how to view, list, activate, deactivate, add, remove, increase, decrease mount and format swap space and swap partition in Linux step by step with practical examples. Learn essential swap space management tasks including what swap space is and how swap space is used in Linux.

12:04 AM

there you go

i foolishly made my deepin 83G so no swap space :/

12:06 AM

how can i resize?

12:08 AM

resize2fs /dev/sda3 33G?

12:08 AM

@tux-linux

i guess

12:09 AM

i don't use resize2fs very often (edited)

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo resize2fs /dev/sda3 33G
[sudo] password for root: 
resize2fs 1.46.1 (9-Feb-2021)
Filesystem at /dev/sda3 is mounted on /; on-line resizing required
resize2fs: On-line shrinking not supported
[dill@archlinux ~]$

12:13 AM

so i'll use usb

12:13 AM

see you in 2 mins

start on a live cd

12:13 AM

ok

done

12:20 AM

i'll leave now

12:20 AM

bye

ok

12:20 AM

bye

ready to install gentoo!

4:40 AM

will let you know how that goes :D

4:41 AM

wait

feel free to ask for help

so apparently the resize2fs didnt work >:C

4:42 AM

i wanted to resize 83G to a 33G then make another 33 partition, then use the remaining space for swap

well... maybe you could try erasing the hard drive and starting all over again but by installing Gentoo I think it will be more easy as you'll be able to stay with the stock guide and not modify that much the instructions but if you don't want to... what's the "remaining space" ?

i think 17G

4:43 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

that's ... a lot

yep

well so much that the kernel couldn't actually use it all

i think i should make a 10G partition then

how many ram?

dk

free -mh ?

               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           3.8Gi       902Mi       2.1Gi       191Mi       794Mi       2.5Gi
Swap:             0B          0B          0B

ok so 4G

yeh

not that bad

4:45 AM

you'll need swap for gentoo though

yea

i'd say that 8G would be enough

then 9g freespace?

no

4:46 AM

you create a swap partition

4:46 AM

then you activate it with swapon

4:46 AM

it's all in the gentoo guide

yeah but after that there'd still be freespace of 9g

after you created the swap partition?

ye

then increase the size of the previous partition to fill all the disk

k

4:47 AM

but the thing is i dont want to erase the disk again

4:47 AM

i want to install gentoo on sda2

4:47 AM

its empty

fdisk -l please, will help me visualize what partition layout you have

Disk /dev/sda: 149.05 GiB, 160041885696 bytes, 312581808 sectors
Disk model: WDC WD1600BEKT-6
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x86308630

Device     Boot     Start       End   Sectors Size Id Type
/dev/sda1  *         2048  69207126  69205079  33G 83 Linux
/dev/sda2        69208064 138414079  69206016  33G 83 Linux
/dev/sda3       138414080 312581807 174167728  83G 83 Linux

do you use all the partitions?

/dev/sda3 138414080 312581807 174167728 83G 83 Linux is the issue, i want it to be reduced to 33G

4:49 AM

no

4:49 AM

only 1 and 3

what system are you on?

arch atm

try with gparted, even if it's GUI i've had some luck with that in the past

4:50 AM

if it doesn't work, start the gentoo live cd and to the resize2fs thing from there

sudo: gparted: command not found

well; install it

installing

4:52 AM

"free space following (MiB)"

4:52 AM

hmm

9000000

4:53 AM

no wait

MiB not MB i think...

9216

4:53 AM

no mib and mb are similar

ah

my head thought that it was asking you kibs

except mib are ^2 and mb are ^10

4:53 AM

lol

yeah

4:54 AM

you'll learn to live with them as you use linux

4:54 AM

they're everywhere

4:54 AM

especially in KDE

"Minimum size: 85043 MiB"

and in pretty much all shell commands that give you space info

same for maximum

oh that's bad

4:54 AM

is the partition unmounted?

i think

4:55 AM

i really dont know (edited)

4:55 AM

df -h?

well if it's unmounted it won't show up

4:55 AM

(in df)

4:55 AM

restart and boot gentoo, do the resizing stuff from there, should work

k

4:56 AM

with parted or gparted or resize2fs?

well resize2fs

k

the livecd has no gui

rebooting on usb

5:01 AM

the fs is 33g but not the partition

you mean, installed size?

no

that's impossible then

the partition is bigger than the filesystem apparently

5:02 AM

apparently

then you have another partition

no?

where did you get that from?

"the filesystem is already <number> blocks long, nothing to do"

5:03 AM

/dev/sda1 is 33, same with sda2, and sda3, which has arch, is 83g

try with -f

resize2fs -f /dev/sda3 33G?

1

5:04 AM

after e2fsck

5:04 AM

ok

5:10 AM

same thing

5:11 AM

already 8650752 blocks long or something...

don't know then

5:11 AM

can't really give you another advice than starting from scratch again

ok then

5:12 AM

i'll put this on hold until the weekend

5:12 AM

because i have a lot to do

ok

5:12 AM

btw, would you be willing to lend a hand to test inkbox? like, in the next days, probably?

sure!

ok thx

np

you'll have to test it on the aura, because touch input is broken on the mini

k

5:14 AM

so i think i'll go look up solutions and if i dont find one then i'll do the wipe

ok

wait, instead of a full wipe, i could delete sda3 only

yes!

and make some new ones

5:14 AM

can i use logical partitions?

logical is 4 max, right?

5:15 AM

you should be able to

4 max primary, then logical

wait, isn't it called "Extended"?

5:16 AM

but yeah take primary whenever possible

yea ok

5:16 AM

primary is up to sda4 is seems

5:16 AM

k then what i'll do is:

5:17 AM

delete sda3 from deepin, use fdisk to create some new partitions and some swap space

yes

then reinstall arch and gentoo

yes

5:17 AM

but you should wait for the swap

5:17 AM

do it when you install gentoo

so install arch first, then make swap?

with gentoo

oh

yeah, it could be better to skip the part where the Arch guide says that you need to have swap

but dont i need the swap for gentoo installation?

yes

5:18 AM

you set up it while installing

5:18 AM

before compiling and all

oh

i.e. before your computer explodes

makes sense

5:18 AM

lol

yeah, actually

>_>

i had one computer that the thermal paste was so bad that it shut down randomly when doing high CPU tasks

5:19 AM

so I thought

5:19 AM

why not install gentoo on it?

5:19 AM

hmm

haha

I opened the computer, put a fan underneath it and put it between two chairs

5:20 AM

there you go, super cooling and the computer did not shut down for three days in a row of compiling

lol

5:20 AM

did it work?

well yes

woot

but gnome failed because of low ram

oh

5:20 AM

no swap?

but the system installed though, it worked

nice

yes, i think

there was swap?

5:21 AM

huh

yes but sometimes swap is not enough

yeah

sometimes you really need ram

5:21 AM

I also installed Gentoo on a 20 year old thin client

5:21 AM

the kernel took 2 DAYS to compile with the modules

5:21 AM

yeah, like 48 hours

thats true when im listening to spotify, chatting, and playing a high graphics game on my chromebook

5:21 AM

YIKES

5:22 AM

this is 11 years old, its probably gonna take like 8 hours

no

5:22 AM

certainly not

5:22 AM

i'd say at least 4 days

yeeeeek

or 1 or 2 weeks if you intend to compile the whole gnome desktop and chrome

AH

but you'll be proud

5:22 AM

I use Gentoo btw

lool

5:23 AM

hahaha

you can join the Gentoo reddit too in the meantime

r/gentoo?

yep

im in the gentoo disc as well

5:23 AM

thats gonna be painful to install then haha

5:24 AM

i'll start early saturday morning

After that, just to hurt you more, I'll make you install Linux From Scratch looool

ahhhh

no just a joke, don't worry

lol it'd be nice to try tho

but linux from scratch really took me 1 week or so

5:24 AM

it was really cool though

5:24 AM

and that's what got me back in mobileread and kobo hacking

5:24 AM

around the ~1st of january

woo

yeah, felt good to come back after all of these months

linux from scratch - is that a distro?

no

i was surprised to see you come back onto MR

5:26 AM

with such a big project

5:26 AM

i was excited

5:26 AM

:D

yeah, the development environment I actually found that in late August, but I didn't know I could mount imgs with a 2G filesystem and I was stuck with a 256Mb tmpfs due to fat32 limitations

wow

5:27 AM

i have to go :/

ok

school tomorrow and all that

5:27 AM

bye

bye (edited)

morning

3:39 PM

so...

3:39 PM

for the compilation of the kernel

3:40 PM

will the laptop be on for 2-3 weeks, and if so, will it use wifi? @tux-linux

3:41 PM

gotta go

3:41 PM

see you at like 8 or 9pm MST

no, well only to download the source files

4:16 PM

I suggest you hook it up to wired internet though

4:16 PM

strongly suggest

Ok, so finally added a dictionary to InkBox

Little design change in the definition's font

5:54 PM

@OfficerAction do you know of a way to increase the font size (especially of the reader's qlabel) ? I tried multiple ways (setPointSize, setPixelSize) but none of them worked. The text is still scaled to the screen and there's no way to change its size. Maybe you have a hint? or is it impossible? thanks!

wow!

3:49 AM

i can test if you want btw

now?

yep

3:50 AM

anytime

ok

3:50 AM

do you already have UMR installed?

no

ok

i don't read manga

3:50 AM

should i install it?

me neither

3:50 AM

no

3:51 AM

not necessarily

ok

I'll make an archive with all the files

3:51 AM

how long do you think you'll be there?

koboroot?

3:51 AM

hmm i can be back on in 30 mins

3:51 AM

dinner in a bit, also preparing to reinstall arch

no not koboroot

3:52 AM

a bit like one click packages

oh so a script

no

3:52 AM

just a txz that you untar in "Kobo eReader'

oh wait, so like a .adds folder?

3:52 AM

oh okay

yeah, basically the one click script does that; it extracts the zip in the kobo partition

ok

3:53 AM

dinner brb

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17CKIaq7NXV7-S8PTw7VkFeKHWAWhKesT/view?usp=sharing

inkbox.tar.gz

4:08 AM

you'll need the stuff with python3 update-kobostuff python3 if not already done

4:08 AM

extract it in the Kobo eReader partition

4:08 AM

(/dev/mmcblk0p3) - > the exported one

k

I'm thinking of merging InkBox with KoBox like, we could have a launcher, and InkBox would be easily accessible, but we could also have Xorg apps with that

oh yeah!

4:13 AM

or make inkbox a kobox app

well

4:14 AM

technically qt in xorg is possible, and it's used by some apps like telegram

4:14 AM

but it will be better if we just display it raw to the framebuffer

4:14 AM

also, you'll probably want to start the thing via ssh

no ssh

4:15 AM

kernel

aura

oh ye

the script is in /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox/inkbox.sh (edited)

4:15 AM

you start if from there, not from some other folder

4:15 AM

or things will go wrong

4:16 AM

like cd /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox and then ./inkbox.sh

4:17 AM

you'll probably want to tweak some settings in the inkbox launch command in the script, as touch input might not work right away, though you should be good, it's not like with the kobox thing

4:19 AM

there

ADDSPATH=/mnt/onboard/.adds/ QTPATH=${ADDSPATH}/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${QTPATH}lib:lib:QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo:touchscreen_rotate=270:touchscreen_invert_x=1:touchscreen_invert_y=1:logicaldpitarget=0 ./inkbox

4:19 AM

also, for the brightness to work... ah we'll discuss that once you have it installed, it's not crucial

@dill did you get it running?

tux-linux

also, for the brightness to work... ah we'll discuss that once you have it installed, it's not crucial

echo 100 > /sys/devices/backlight/mxc_msp430.0

yeah, change the ln -s in the script accordignly

no idea where my e-reader is atm

4:49 AM

:/

oh ok

found it

great

i left it in the car :/

is it still ok?

ye

5:09 AM

a little slow refresh

normal

ye

should go away in a couple hours

or faster if it warms up faster

well, you can test it now!

5:09 AM

yeah

yup

5:10 AM

downloading the tar.gz

5:10 AM

for gentoo, do i have to leave it on the entire time its compiling

sure

have to?

well... yes, otherwise how would it be able to compile things?

true

5:12 AM

so it'll be lying around, on, for a couple weeks

well it depends what you want to do with gentoo

same as arch

if you decide to compile the whole gnome desktop, yea, sure

ok then

if it's only for CLI, then i'd say 3-4 days

nope, gnome

wishing you luck

1

whats the gui that uses the least time

openbox

5:14 AM

openbox + xorg

5:14 AM

that's what kobox uses

thats what i was about to say lol

you can customize it pretty much how you want

5:15 AM

check out bunsenlabs, they have a good distro with a pretty good design

you think gnome would work on kobox

NOOOOO

5:15 AM

like

5:15 AM

don't

5:15 AM

ever

5:15 AM

think of it

5:15 AM

if it ran; well it'd crash right away

ah

5:15 AM

i see

1. low ram 2. crappy graphics 3. crappy cpu 4. crappy chroot environment

oh

did the inkbox tgz finish downloading?

i finished extracting, actually

nice

Installing Python3 r18219 . . .

5:19 AM

should i go python-setup

if you can, and if it works, please take a picture of inkbox running, it'll be cool

5:19 AM

if you want (edited)

ok

5:19 AM

ok sure

5:19 AM

should i go python-setup though?

well it's up to you

5:19 AM

it's just 2 minutes approx

ok

5:20 AM

took near 15 for my mini though

look on the screen this time for progress

5:20 AM

the mini has a slower cpu and less ram

WHAT

5:20 AM

already done

what did I say

lol

5:21 AM

ok so now cd /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox

5:21 AM

then what

./inkbox.sh

YEEEEE

5:21 AM

working!

well, touch input?

perfect!

oh that's actually awesome

:D

do you see the authors quote

yeah, thats a cool part!

what about the general design? look-n-feel? font?

5:23 AM

btw there's no calendar app for now

5:23 AM

others should work though

"search: does nothing

normal

ok

i didn't figure out how to integrate qvirtualkeyboard in this mess of code

5:23 AM

like, reader.cpp has 500 lines of code

maybe look at the source code for vlasovsoft

well

the launcher

there's none

5:24 AM

it's closed-source

cant you look at the files in your e-reader though

oh actually

5:24 AM

it might be open source

just to get a sense of how its made

well I have the sense of how it's made umr did integrate it too; i'll have a look at that

5:25 AM

do you have a txt file to test reading?

not atm

www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/76

5:25 AM

download the plain-text (utf-8) one

5:26 AM

and then click on reader and choose the file (it automatically sets the directory to onboard)

i hit the quit button and it froze

well

5:26 AM

"Quit"

5:26 AM

what would you expect it to do instead?

5:26 AM

it exited, simply

so how do i go back to nickel?

5:26 AM

ohh ok

reboot

5:27 AM

but you can access the shell

i thought my ereader crashed

5:27 AM

ye

no

5:27 AM

just relaunch inkbox.sh

first im going back to nickel to put the txt file on it (edited)

well

5:27 AM

scp

5:27 AM

ftp

didnt think of that actually :/

Important note: when you launch it via inkbox.sh and want to stop it with ctrl c, if you launched settings, or the saved words app, it silently "exits" inkbox and restarts it when you click the back or ok button, to reload settings and all. therefore, you'll want to do a killall inkbox before re-launching it if you didn't quit it with the "Quit" button

oh

but if you did quit with the button, there's nothing to worry about

we could make a nm action for inkbox.sh

yeah

5:30 AM

but it's not ready

5:31 AM

like, the render engine is crap

[root@snow root]# cd /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox
[root@snow inkbox]# ./inkbox.sh
rm: can't remove '/var/run/brightness': No such file or directory

not to worry about

5:31 AM

you just rebooted

ok

so it didn't create the symlink in the tmpfs /var/run before the script

reading!

5:33 AM

how do i get the prompt

also hints so that inkbox loves you and you love inkbox, don't try to bring up the options menu when there's a lot of text in the page (like it goes from top to bottom) or it will clip and things will go... strange. like, qt will enlarge the display

5:33 AM

the words?

Numeric mode unsupported in the posix collation implementation
QIODevice::read (QFile, "/inkbox/book/split/."): device not open
QIODevice::read (QFile, "/inkbox/book/split/.."): device not open
QIODevice::read (QFile, "/inkbox/book/split/."): device not open
QIODevice::read (QFile, "/inkbox/book/split/.."): device not open

5:33 AM

no prompt

well no

like [root@snow root]#

inkbox is running

oh

but to test the dictionnary

5:34 AM

*dictionary

5:34 AM

double-tap on a word

5:34 AM

and it should show up very quickly

[dill@archlinux ~]$ ssh root@192.168.1.71
root@192.168.1.71's password: 
Segmentation fault
export EDITOR='nano'
export HOME='/tmp/root'
export LESS='-R -M'
export LOGNAME='root'
export OLDPWD='/'
export PATH='/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin'
export PS1='[\u@\h \W]\$ '
export PWD='/tmp/root'
export SHELL='/usr/local/niluje/usbnet/bin/ash'
export SHLVL='1'
export SSH_CLIENT='192.168.1.79 54976 22'
export SSH_CONNECTION='192.168.1.79 54976 192.168.1.71 22'
export SSH_TTY='/dev/pts/1'
export TERM='xterm-256color'
export USER='root'

huh what

5:35 AM

retry

brb

but why do you want a shell

brightness

oh

5:35 AM

well set that in the inkbox.sh

5:35 AM

echo some_brightness_value > /some/brightness/backlight/folder/brightness

5:36 AM

or you can just set it before launching inkbox.sh

5:37 AM

it'll remember and won't flush out the lights

whats the path for your libra brightness

5:40 AM

because its the same for my aura

it's the one that's in the script

5:40 AM

possible

5:40 AM

well it should work with the options brightness setting in the reader then (edited)

theres an option?

yes

ok wait i'll make an nm action for myself

the options button in the bottom, between next and previous

crashed when i tried creating a shell before

what do you mean

i tried a new ssh session, pressed next, and it froze

don't know

so im just making a nm option

oh ok

5:44 AM

it should remember the brightness level once it's set

5:44 AM

(inkbox)

k

you're probably the first person in the world who tests it (apart from me), so that's nice

menu_item:main:InkBox:cmd_spawn:'cd /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox && ./inkbox.sh'

5:47 AM

wow

yeah that seems good

okay then

5:49 AM

"Successfully started process with PID 145." and then nickel is still running :/

does inkbox seem to run at all? (edited)

nickel is still running

5:50 AM

probably a nm config error

are you sure you can't ssh?

no i just feel like a nm action would be better

me I set up it with kfmon

5:51 AM

it works well

...why didnt i think of that

actually i don't think you need to be in the inkbox folder

5:53 AM

i was intelligent enough to call QDir to set the current directory

./mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox.sh?

that's mine

[admin@storm inkbox]# cat /mnt/onboard/.adds/kfmon/config/inkbox.ini 
[watch]
filename = /mnt/onboard/inkbox.png
action = /mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox/inkbox.sh
label = InkBox
hidden = 0
block_spawns = 1
do_db_update = 0
db_title = InkBox

5:54 AM

remove the .

is there nano on kobo

likely yes with the stuff

5:57 AM

but there is vi if you're desperate with telnet

bless niluje

5:57 AM

ok

yep

how do i save as

5:58 AM

nvm

5:58 AM

dont need to

well it'd be ctrl+o (edited)

brb

back

did you set up the watch successfully?

6:08 AM

don't forget to put inkbox.png in /mnt/onboard

6:09 AM

you could just put some random file there and rename it to inkbox.png

i made a file called inkbox instead of a png

oh ok that's fine too

6:09 AM

does it work?

rebooting after putting on the watch

ok

nope

6:12 AM

no touch input, framebuffer is messed up

6:13 AM

and part of nickel still shows

well try with ssh for now

ok

and do a killall inkbox before launching the script

no process killed

ok

6:13 AM

should be good

much better

don't know what's causing the problem then

how do i bring up the menu for turning pages

there's three buttons on the bottom of the screen

6:16 AM

... no?

i turned it once and it disappeared

hmm

6:16 AM

are you on the huckleberry finn book?

seems to be text underneath the screen as well

6:16 AM

ye

that's "the bug"

6:16 AM

haha

yea...

change split_booklist = [booklist[x:x+200] for x in range(0, len(booklist),200)]

6:17 AM

in split.py

selections work

6:17 AM

to what?

and replace that with a smaller value

6:17 AM

like, the two 200, replace them with 150 or 175

okay

it sets the number of words per page

6:17 AM

kill inkbox before then relaunch it after you've made the changes

and the menu thing?

well yeah, that's what'll fix it

oh ok

your aura is a 6" one?

6.8"

oh then maybe it needs a little bit less text

6:19 AM

175 should work, though I'd start with 150 just to be safe

nothing shows up on screen

6:21 AM

brightness = 0 though

6:21 AM

gotta go

6:21 AM

will be on tomorrow for debug

6:21 AM

bye

tux-linux

@OfficerAction do you know of a way to increase the font size (especially of the reader's qlabel) ? I tried multiple ways (setPointSize, setPixelSize) but none of them worked. The text is still scaled to the screen and there's no way to change its size. Maybe you have a hint? or is it impossible? thanks!

The font properties are defined in stylesheets

11:40 AM

you can change the sizes for all labels or for a group of labels in your qss file

11:41 AM

or individually like so: ui->labelMangaInfoTitle->setStyleSheet("font-size: 16pt");

Ooooooooooh

2:06 PM

Thx

yep not very obvious at first

I actually never thought of doing that

2:08 PM

Like, yes, I used your excellent stylesheet from the start, but I thought that because I put a grid layout, qt was scaling everything itself

the qss is mostly from vlasovsoft but thanks

yeah, I switched since the first time I saw the stock UI on my Kobo that thing is ugly... especially when it refreshes

2:32 PM

also, do you know if you'll be able to fix touch input for older models soon? I'd really like to test this in my Mini with a plain Alpine Linux or Debian backend...

2:36 PM

IT WORKS (the font stylesheet thing) (edited)

2:36 PM

thx

tux-linux

also, do you know if you'll be able to fix touch input for older models soon? I'd really like to test this in my Mini with a plain Alpine Linux or Debian backend...

there is no way for me to fix the mini since i dont have one

i could lend mine for testing

2:44 PM

but the mini doesn't send the same touch events that newer devices

2:44 PM

although, it kind of works, like it registers your tap, but at the wrong place

did you try with different rotations and such?

did I try

2:45 PM

well yes

2:45 PM

lots

you should try the scribble app

oh yeah, I'll do that

it will be easy to see whats wrong with the touch mapping there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fB3oyti4J8

Kobo mini touch

3:13 PM

that should help you

3:13 PM

it's like it's restricting it to a tiny rectangle on the screen

3:14 PM

here are the event codes

[root@kobo inkbox]# evtest /dev/input/event1
Input driver version is 1.0.0
Input device ID: bus 0x18 vendor 0x0 product 0x0 version 0x0
Input device name: "zForce-ir-touch"
Supported events:
  Event type 0 (Sync)
  Event type 1 (Key)
    Event code 258 (Btn2)
    Event code 330 (Touch)
  Event type 3 (Absolute)
    Event code 0 (X)
      Value    476
      Min        0
      Max     1200
    Event code 1 (Y)
      Value    146
      Min        0
      Max     1600
    Event code 16 (Hat0X)
      Value      0
      Min        0
      Max     1200
    Event code 17 (Hat0Y)
      Value      0
      Min        0
      Max     1600
    Event code 24 (Pressure)
      Value      0
      Min        0
      Max     2048

thanks yep thats problematic

the touch event codes?

no the scaling issue

oh

3:15 PM

do you know what's causing it?

the root is its a different resolution for the touch panel than for the screen panel.

oh ok

but dont know why it works for the others but not for the mini (edited)

I had issues with the Aura too

3:25 PM

I'll look and see if it does the same thing with scribble

yea there were also requests to fix the aura in the forums...

yup, exact same problem for the Aura

3:31 PM

only it seems that it's restricting it more to a square than a rectangle

3:31 PM

is there a way to scale the touch panel for the screen?

yea sure

3:36 PM

thats what its supposed to do

3:36 PM

no way around digging into the code and figuring out whats wrong

can you "scale" it manually then?

not after it is registered

3:38 PM

it has to be fixed in the driver

in the driver? like libkobo.so ?

the platform plugin

yeah ok

3:45 PM

#else
    int n = 0;
    for (; ;) {
        events = QT_READ(m_fd, reinterpret_cast<char*>(buffer) + n, sizeof(buffer) - n);
        if (events <= 0)
            goto err;
        n += events;
        if (n % sizeof(::input_event) == 0)
            break;
    }

    n /= sizeof(::input_event);

    for (int i = 0; i < n; ++i)
        d->processInputEvent(&buffer[i]);
#endif

that? lines 407-422 of qevdevtouchhandler.cpp

um well its all connected

3:48 PM

you can try to fix it i will also take a look later

I don't even understand some parts of the program; no chance I'll be able to fix it

3:48 PM

I started learning C++ and Qt last week

ok than its pretty hard

btw I put inkbox source code on github https://github.com/tux-linux/inkbox if you want to take a look

tux-linux/inkbox

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos. Contribute to tux-linux/inkbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

great! nice that it found its way to github

feel free to comment my messy code

3:59 PM

hope it does not feel too much like that, but if you look at reader.cpp and reader.h you'll understand

well much better than i though

thx

4:01 PM

you can test it on your kobo if you want, the .pro file is there, or you can dump the binaries directly on the kobo: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17CKIaq7NXV7-S8PTw7VkFeKHWAWhKesT/view

inkbox.tar.gz

just a hint its enough if you load the qss once in the main

really? it didn't work though if I opened other windows after

4:04 PM

like, mainwindow worked, but reader, apps, settings needed that I re-set the stylesheet

do you open the other widgets as seperate windows?

4:08 PM

ok maybe then yea

yep that's what I do

4:19 PM

i didn't know how to embed them in the current window

4:20 PM

and I had practically no internet access when I did that

there are different ways

4:23 PM

the way i do it is to have a qtabwidget with a tab for all the pages in your app and then just switching the tab

ooh

4:23 PM

i didn't think of it like that

4:25 PM

also, for the dictionary function, do you think I should trigger it when I touch the qlabel (https://wiki.qt.io/Clickable_QLabel) or is a qtimer fine?

4:26 PM

it's in there https://github.com/tux-linux/inkbox/blob/c32cff526c57308544889ce65842327fd6bffc21/reader.cpp#L166

tux-linux/inkbox

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos. Contribute to tux-linux/inkbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

its ok

ok thanks

4:27 PM

that was a ... difficult ... part to make

it will get easier in time

yeah, I hope so the thing was that I had to search in multiple files and return the correct definition, and if there were another definitions, get them as well

4:30 PM

all the dict stuff is in there

dict.tar.xz

3.24 MB

4:31 PM

#!/bin/sh -ex

export WORD=`cat /inkbox/dictionary/word`
export LINE_MATCH=`cat index | grep -nw "$WORD" | cut -d: -f 1 | sed -n ""$1"p"`
if [ LINE_MATCH = "" ]; then
    exit 1
else
    export REGEX_DEF=`sed ""$LINE_MATCH"q;d" definitions`
    export PREVENT=`sed "1q;d" definitions`
    if [ "$REGEX_DEF" = "$PREVENT" ]; then
        if [ "$LINE_MATCH" = "1" ]; then
            echo $REGEX_DEF > /inkbox/dictionary/definition
        else
            echo "No definition found." > /inkbox/dictionary/definition
        fi
    else
        echo $REGEX_DEF > /inkbox/dictionary/definition
        echo normal
    fi
fi

and that's what it does to find the definition from a given word

anyway for the mini try this

4:36 PM

add export QT_LOGGING_RULES=qt.qpa.input=true

4:36 PM

and then check the logs

4:36 PM

that can give us some hints

try what?

4:36 PM

oh ok just the export

yep and then run and touch around a bit

4:36 PM

and then check the logs

yep ok, will do

4:37 PM

does it log to stdout ?

yep

ok

4:39 PM

47.32 KB

4:39 PM

there you go

thx

sidenote

4:46 PM

does kobox work on the mini yet

no

ok

well I'm not sure

4:46 PM

it's been a long time since I tested it

oh ok

I'll get back on that, maybe creating some Qt app to merge the two

that'd be cool

ok try one more time with :debug

in the platform export ? (edited)

added to QT_QPA_PLATFORM

4:50 PM

yep

7.75 KB

4:52 PM

this one

ok

ok so

5:11 PM

i made a branch for the platformplugin called mini

great

can you compile it and test it

ok

it just adds some more logging for now

to change the branch, it's like git checkout minifix ?

and for the test it would be nice if you could just start -> touch top left corner and then the other corners in clockwise order and exit

5:13 PM

yep

ok

5:19 PM

do I still add the :debug switch? (edited)

5:19 PM

because alone it doesn't seem to output anything else than... nothing

it does now

5:25 PM

and it also did a bit before

5:25 PM

but it seems i removed most

well the one I compiled doesn't debug anything

?

well, nothing on stdout

5:27 PM

maybe it's the branch switch that it didn't like

5:27 PM

do you have a tgz/txz/wathever of the modified platform plugin source?

5:28 PM

oh now I added the :debug switch and it works

did you put it into the platforms folder?

5:28 PM

ok

yea ofc

5:28 PM

[root@kobo inkbox]# ./inkbox.sh
killall: nickel: no process killed
killall: sickel: no process killed
killall: hindenburg: no process killed
KoboKb: Attempting to capture input...
device: "pixie" 340 
 screen: 600 800 dpi: 200

5:28 PM

it shows that but when I touch the screen, nothing else happens

you also still need the export from before

Ok now it works (edited)

2.57 KB

hmm thx

1

5:33 PM

is that the 4 corners btw?

no, just touched randomly

ok do the corners pls

ok

5:35 PM

10.42 KB

perfect thx

i pushed a new commit

5:49 PM

so i need you to do the same thing again

Ok I can't right right now, I'll try probably in the next hour

5:50 PM

You see, piano practice

ok have fun

1

Ok I'll test it now

6:36 PM

@OfficerAction here it is

16.17 KB

hey thx but do it again and touch all corners

that's what I did

really

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/hjhn9n/finally_done_it/

16.06 KB

6:57 PM

that one I'm sure I did

ahh ok i think i get it now

6:59 PM

the touchscreen has a higher res but its not actually used

is it easily fixable?

yea kinad

nice

ok try now

ok

7:25 PM

IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS

awsome

7:27 PM

can you try the aura?

yep

7:30 PM

works well, no problem

7:30 PM

what did you do exactly?

before it used the full touchscreen res as maximum(1200x1600) now it uses the screen res instaed

oh

btw do you have to set the rotation for any device

7:32 PM

or is it auto?

no I set it 90

7:33 PM

for the mini

7:33 PM

strangely for the aura it's set at 270 and all works well

without inverts? (edited)

with

7:34 PM

ADDSPATH=/mnt/onboard/.adds/ QTPATH=${ADDSPATH}/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo  LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${QTPATH}lib:lib: QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo:touchscreen_rotate=270:touchscreen_invert_x=1:touchscreen_invert_y=1:logicaldpitarget=0 ./inkbox

thats kobo aura?

yep

touchscreen_rotate=270:touchscreen_invert_x=1:touchscreen_invert_y=1 is the same as touchscreen_rotate=90touchscreen_invert_x=0:touchscreen_invert_y=0 btw

oh ok

7:38 PM

On the mini though I'm experiencing some... scaling problems

7:39 PM

like the openDialog is way too large for the screen

7:39 PM

though, iirc, in the code I set it to scale with the screen size

7:59 PM

@dill now it works on the Mini thanks to @OfficerAction who did some magic tricks with the platform plugin code

i merged in the new rotations

7:59 PM

could you check if auto rotation works on all your devices now? (edited)

ok

also dont know whats up with the scaling problems

the auto rotation doesn't work with the mini

with the new commit?

oh

8:02 PM

sorry, i'm so dumb

8:05 PM

mini working

8:06 PM

aura working too

thx

8:16 PM

what about the other one?

libra?

8:17 PM

yes, all works well

with the auto?

yes

8:19 PM

but no wait

8:19 PM

with the new libkobo.so the libra is giving me strange random refreshes and a recurrent Wait for screen refresh failed! debug message

hmmm

8:20 PM

was it working before?

yes

8:21 PM

just tested with the old libkobo.so, it doesn't give such errors

ok i pushed a commit

8:24 PM

that should fix it

ok

8:26 PM

that's neat tho

awsome thanks

libra's working fine

8:31 PM

nice, now it repaints the window when I click "Options" even if I didn't tell it to

8:32 PM

that's an useful 'bug' or is it?

?

well

8:33 PM

you see the "Hide" button?

8:33 PM

it's actually hid when you click on it to be replaced by the options button

8:34 PM

I instructed hideBtn in reader.cpp to repaint the window when it's clicked, before it's been hid and replaced by the optionsBtn that showed again. that makes the screen do a plain refresh. now I press optionsBtn and even if I didn't tell it to, it refreshes the screen anyway

tux-linux

@dill now it works on the Mini thanks to @OfficerAction who did some magic tricks with the platform plugin code

yeeee

8:35 PM

@OfficerAction thanks :D

np

also @dill , do you think your mini's screen has the best contrast? like mine's better than my Libra

about to do a fresh install of arch

8:36 PM

yeah

tux-linux

I instructed hideBtn in reader.cpp to repaint the window when it's clicked, before it's been hid and replaced by the optionsBtn that showed again. that makes the screen do a plain refresh. now I press optionsBtn and even if I didn't tell it to, it refreshes the screen anyway

it programmed so it should do a refresh when something changes on the screen

oh ok

8:36 PM

so I don't need to ui->hideBtn->repaint(); anymore

8:36 PM

that's nice

haha yea it would be a bit troublesome if you have to repaint manually all the time

though, when the QLabel changes, no repaint (the QLabel is the "text" label, main text display on reader.cpp) (edited)

8:37 PM

that's great; don't change it because I wanted to create an option to set a refresh rates after n pages

tux-linux

though, when the QLabel changes, no repaint (the QLabel is the "text" label, main text display on reader.cpp) (edited)

oh thats strange

same thing for when wordsearch is hid or showed

8:40 PM

strange that it doesn't do it there, because it's basically the same principle of that of the menubar

installed basic arch

8:43 PM

now for gnome and all that

wow, your internet speed is way faster than mine

8:43 PM

me it takes like 25 mins

yikes :\

8:43 PM

ive only got up to pacstrap tho

yeah i know

8:43 PM

don't you want to try kde?

8:43 PM

it's very nice

hmm

8:44 PM

is it possible for kde on tty2 and gnome on tty1 or am i just fantasizing

well you can install the two

on separate ttys

maybe

8:44 PM

haven't tried that

8:45 PM

it's a cool idea

lets see

8:45 PM

yep

but in 33 g of space

8:45 PM

you better stick to just one

yeah

compile kde on gentoo

8:46 PM

I did it and it worked

oh yeah

i can't guarantee for gnome

is it faster than gnome

well yes a little

8:46 PM

from experience

8:46 PM

also, it's based on qt5

kde looks very nice

8:46 PM

i'll do it on gentoo

r/Gentoo - Finally done it.

114 votes and 16 comments so far on Reddit

8:47 PM

that's when I did it

niceee

yep, kde is awesome

8:49 PM

i'm not that into theming, but maybe @fermino has some cool customization ideas

do i need to reinstall grub?

ofc

already have it with deepin

8:51 PM

ok then

well, in theory you could let it there

8:51 PM

but I'd reinstall it

8:52 PM

maybe you won't be able to start on deepin anymore

8:52 PM

but that's easily fixable

yeah it is

8:52 PM

after all the mess of installing different distros, i'm gonna reinstall grub from deepin

8:53 PM

for the sake of the wallpaper

8:55 PM

only these left now

8:55 PM

this seems a lot cleaner than the last 3 times i've installed arch

No you forgot to set the root password

no i remembered this time :D

Did you install DHCPcd?

what's that?

Or dhclient

8:57 PM

Connect wired internet

didn't do that the last few times either

8:57 PM

yeah its connected

Oh but if network manager is there it's ok

yeah its there

8:57 PM

installing gnome atm

9:01 PM

done!!

9:02 PM

as you said, deepin is gone

9:02 PM

on grub, i mean

Yes

9:03 PM

Should be easy to fix But install Gentoo before

tux-linux

Should be easy to fix But install Gentoo before

ok but why gentoo first

first?

9:07 PM

well gentoo will overwrite again your grub config

9:07 PM

so it's better to reconfigure grub after all is in place

oh k

9:07 PM

so should i do gentoo now?

9:14 PM

i'll install some other distros today and tomorrow, and start compiling gentoo by sunday night at the very most (edited)

9:14 PM

will i need a fan to prevent it from exploding

dill

will i need a fan to prevent it from exploding

?

dill

i'll install some other distros today and tomorrow, and start compiling gentoo by sunday night at the very most (edited)

what other distros would you recommend @tux-linux

9:28 PM

DEBIAN

9:29 PM

red hat?

9:31 PM

archbang looks like it would be good for beginners

9:35 PM

what i'll do is install fedora right now, and use kde on that one as well

dill

what other distros would you recommend @tux-linux

you can take a look at manjaro

it is very powerful, all the arch packages but also quite beginner friendly

thx!

9:54 PM

dding the image to the usb for fedora

9:54 PM

dont worry i double checked and triple checked the command

No do Gentoo, then you'll be able to reconfigure grub so you'll be able to boot Arch deepin and gentoo

no first the others, then gentoo

Yeah

because gentoo will take a long time

Yes

done the flash

But does it matter? You'll not be able to access the other distros while on Gentoo

true

10:00 PM

but i feel like installing the others first would be better

If you want

btw i forgot my old reddit thing so my new one is u/themightydill

Ok

gonna install fedora

10:01 PM

btw is it gui or cli install

10:02 PM

nvm its apparently a "gooey" install

10:02 PM

gonna install, bye

Goooeey G. U. I

10:05 PM

No?

yep yep

10:11 PM

lol

10:11 PM

on fedora rn, about to install

10:11 PM

KDE is nice

10:11 PM

installing

@tux-linux apparently with fedora, all 3 os'es are showing up on grub!

will try manjaro now

nice

my wifi is speedrunning rn

lucky you

i mean, ethernet

10:59 PM

its very unusual tbh

10:59 PM

getting the gnome thing

11:03 PM

also, @tux-linux, is there a package manager in fedora

11:03 PM

i mean

11:04 PM

what is the package manager in fedora

11:04 PM

:p

dnf

thx

but i don't know much about it

11:04 PM

i think that to install a package you do dnf install package

11:04 PM

i could be wrong though

yup, did a dnf --help

do you like kde?

i like it a lot, but not as much as gnome to be honest

you can check out r/unixporn

11:06 PM

you'll get lots of ideas for your setup

yeah ok

11:06 PM

also getting ready for manjaro

11:06 PM

what im the most excited about is gentoo

11:06 PM

will i need fans btw

i don't think so

11:06 PM

unless your computer shuts down when you have high cpu usage, you should be good

11:07 PM

don't put it in a sauna tho

haha

11:07 PM

actually, pretty sure it does crash when it has high cpu usage

then

11:07 PM

open it

11:07 PM

put it between two chairs

11:07 PM

put a fan underneath

11:08 PM

set the speed to max

11:08 PM

and you'll be good

ok then

11:10 PM

i cant get in the sudoers file... again :/

what distro

fedora kde

can you su root at least?

ye

well do the same thing as arch it should work

i did

or maybe addgroup dill sudo

uncommented lines with %wheel

11:11 PM

ok

in some distros there's a sudo group

nope

that? https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/adding_user_to_sudoers_file/

yup

11:33 PM

          /:-------------:\          dill@fedora 
       :-------------------::        ----------- 
     :-----------/shhOHbmp---:\      OS: Fedora 33 (KDE Plasma) x86_64 
   /-----------omMMMNNNMMD  ---:     Host: Aspire 5732Z V2.06 
  :-----------sMMMMNMNMP.    ---:    Kernel: 5.8.15-301.fc33.x86_64 
 :-----------:MMMdP-------    ---\   Uptime: 1 hour, 1 min 
,------------:MMMd--------    ---:   Packages: 1731 (rpm) 
:------------:MMMd-------    .---:   Shell: bash 5.0.17 
:----    oNMMMMMMMMMNho     .----:   Resolution: 1366x768 
:--     .+shhhMMMmhhy++   .------/   DE: Plasma 5.19.5 
:-    -------:MMMd--------------:    WM: KWin 
:-   --------/MMMd-------------;     WM Theme: K01-d 
:-    ------/hMMMy------------:      Theme: Breeze [Plasma], Adwaita [GTK2] 
:-- :dMNdhhdNMMNo------------;       Icons: breeze [Plasma], breeze [GTK2/3 
:---:sdNMMMMNds:------------:        Terminal: konsole 
:------:://:-------------::          CPU: Pentium T4300 (2) @ 2.100GHz 
:---------------------://            GPU: Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset 
                                     Memory: 2001MiB / 3858MiB

11:33 PM

or

11:33 PM

well

11:33 PM

you get the idea

yes

11:37 PM

flashing the manjaro image

11:38 PM

today is a really good day for my laptop apparently

11:38 PM

the other one takes 5 mbps this takes 17 mbps

Le calme avant la tempête as we say here

the calm has the something, is what my brain came up with

11:39 PM

oh wAait

11:39 PM

the calm before the storm

yep

haha

11:39 PM

halfway done

11:39 PM

your first language is french right

yes

if i had done "French Immersion" here, i'd have had a lot more experience with french

11:40 PM

but ive been having english schooling, with french subject

11:40 PM

brb

11:46 PM

back, and it appears manjaro has finished flashing

11:47 PM

@tux-linux any idea whether it is a gooey install or a clee install ;p

gooey

ok

11:47 PM

also how do i change my device name

hostname but might not stay

11:48 PM

edit /etc/hostname

ok

11:49 PM

what would i write

fedora

so just fedoralinux in the file

yeah

ty

11:50 PM

works

11:50 PM

doing the manjaro now

on manjaro

12:05 AM

preparing to install

12:08 AM

@tux-linux ???

12:11 AM

tnvm

12:11 AM

nvm*

12:12 AM

gotta go

12:12 AM

bye

back

2:35 AM

installing again after having to leave before installing :/

2:41 AM

manjaro wont install

2:41 AM

looking into debian

@tux-linux is debian gooey

Yes

3:41 AM

Except the netinstall But it's like GUI in cli for the netinstall

yeeeeeeeeeee

5:11 AM

installed fedora and debian

nice

in one day

next challenge is gentoo

4 distros, fully functional

5:11 AM

yup

correction

5:11 AM

4 distros, fully functional, ready to break

yup

you never know what can happen with that

true

5:12 AM

i also have to delete one of them to make space for gentoo :/

which one will you choose?

i feel like i would remove debian

i suggest you keep debian, it's rock-solid stable

oh

5:12 AM

hmmm

5:13 AM

deepin?

so when all your distros will break, at least debian will hopefully work

5:13 AM

yeah, if you want

nah, i think fedora

but deepin is also based on debian

5:13 AM

so it's your take

i'll take fedora

cries hard

5:14 AM

no, i'm just sad that you don't like kde

i love kde

oh yeah

5:14 AM

ok you'll set up gentoo with it

5:14 AM

my bad

ye

5:16 AM

debian is actually 20 gib

what are the others?

33 mostly

thinking about it I'm not sure you'll have enough of 33 gib for gentoo

5:16 AM

but you should be ok

1Device     Boot     Start       End  Sectors Size Id Type
/dev/sda1  *         2048  69207126 69205079  33G 83 Linux
/dev/sda2        69208064 138414079 69206016  33G 83 Linux
/dev/sda3       138414080 207620095 69206016  33G 83 Linux
/dev/sda4       207622142 278861823 71239682  34G  5 Extended
/dev/sda5       207622144 249565183 41943040  20G 83 Linux
/dev/sda6       249567232 278861823 29294592  14G 83 Linux

5:17 AM

33 gib wouldnt be enough for gentoo?

5:17 AM

maybe 40?

yes; at the end

5:17 AM

not when you compile

5:17 AM

because object files and artifacts take up a LOT of space

oh ok

like, to compile GCC, it takes like 10G of free space but it gives you a binary of only ~50M

yikes

5:18 AM

i'll go with 40 then...

as much as you can

no idea where i put fedora

5:18 AM

i think sda3

but what's in sda1?

or 5

5:18 AM

deepin (edited)

ok

arch is 2

5:19 AM

fedora is 3 i think

I thought for a second that you let 33gib of space for grub

lol no

5:19 AM

4 is container

5:19 AM

5 is debian

5:19 AM

6 is... swap i guess

makes sense

i just made sense out of something ive been tryna figure out in my head all day

what

really had no idea where to put everything

yeah partitioning is quite the task sometimes

def

5:21 AM

...sda4 contains 5 and 6?

but there was one time where I had like 11 distros in one disk

wooo

5:21 AM

how much storage

i think it was 320g

this is 150g (edited)

5:21 AM

150 not 15!

5:22 AM

haha

I had a giant boot menu

yikes

well it was cool

22 entries

yeah, approx

5:22 AM

with the "Advanced options" sometimes

how can you get rid of the advanced options thing btw

idk

yeah or the rescue

tbh you should keep it

ok

it actually has a purpose

5:23 AM

give you root access in an initramfs when you can't access the main system

and also whats "Linux linux" i fell off my seat when i read that

5:23 AM

ahhh i see

it's like "Linux" the distro and "linux" the kernel because the devs didn't appropriately set the name

oh

if i'm not mistaken

prob

but now I'm more on custom liveusbs

5:24 AM

so I don't worry about grub

ah

that's why I don't know much about configuring it and all

i dont need the other computer anymore for images

5:25 AM

i use dd SAFELY though

now, at this moment, I use Ubuntu on an ssd for inkbox, because i have qtcreator and all setup

ah

but you knew that etcher was available for linux, did you?

...no

5:25 AM

hahaha

it's a shiny appimage

.deb?

appimage

5:26 AM

google that a bit

ok

and you'll see that it's the best thing since sliced bread

OH

5:26 AM

ive been looking for this kind of thing for a long long time

it's like an executable squashfs archive

yea

5:26 AM

standalone

I created some a while ago

without installation

it was neat

wow

https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit

AppImage/AppImageKit

Package desktop applications as AppImages that run on common Linux-based operating systems, such as RHEL, CentOS, openSUSE, SLED, Ubuntu, Fedora, debian and derivatives. Join #AppImage on irc.freen...

well then im ditching dd

no

5:28 AM

you'll need it in cli

no, for flashing

well yeah, but you'll need it in cli if something goes wrong

oh

5:28 AM

such as?

the nice thing is that it's available in most initramfs and it's in every linux system that you'll encounter

yeah

well, X suddenly decides "Hey, why not cause a random error and not being able to launch myself anymore, forever"

haha

it did that with my debian vm last week

when that happens i'd do a fresh reinstall

5:30 AM

dang

yeah it's like it's saying you that it wants to be reinstalled

i think ive reinstalled arch 3 times in 2 weeks :/

5:30 AM

yeah

absolutely normal

5:31 AM

you know, when I do archisos, I reinstall arch 3 times in one day

dang

5:31 AM

yeah it'd be nice to have the themes, tap to click, discord, chromium, and all of that in one image though

well you won't get discord ofc

why not?

~~ the magical kingdom of closed-source ~~ (edited)

5:32 AM

https://github.com/AppImage/pkg2appimage

AppImage/pkg2appimage

Tool and recipes to convert existing deb packages to AppImage - AppImage/pkg2appimage

5:32 AM

that is useful

tux-linux

~~ the magical kingdom of closed-source ~~ (edited)

ah yes

but actually... maybe

tux-linux

https://github.com/AppImage/pkg2appimage

wooo, that'd be more than useful

yeah i used that to create chromium appimages and such (edited)

nice

5:33 AM

time for me to go

5:33 AM

bye

ok bye

Well, in arch

5:35 AM

There's an AUR repo for discord

5:35 AM

So you literally do yay discord and there you go

yeah, I think he was talking about an appimage of discord

Oh

which should be doable

5:37 AM

yeah, it should be pretty easy, since the package provided from the official website is a tar archive with all the depends

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Hi @pgaskin !

Hi, I'm just lurking

welcome! the chat channel has like shifted to another thing I started, InkBox, that should be merged to KoBox with some Qt launcher that would launch Qt and X apps (edited)

5:41 AM

https://github.com/tux-linux/inkbox there's the inkbox repo

tux-linux/inkbox

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos. Contribute to tux-linux/inkbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

good morning, yall

here it's 13:08

yeeee

7:09 PM

here its 11:08

7:09 PM

i slept in today because i slept at like 3am last night :/

ready to install gentoo then?

yep

let's goooo then

YESSIR

7:16 PM

hmm

7:16 PM

wait i'll open up the guide

7:20 PM

that is a long guide

well sure; it's gentoo

true

you should check out the linux from scratch guide

maybe later

7:20 PM

how long will this take

well, I meant check the number of pages

ah

well it's your first install

7:21 PM

so

yeah

~1 day to get it on the track

it took me hours to install arch the first time, and now it takes me like 10 minutes

transposition for gentoo it took me days to install gentoo the first time, and now it takes me like 2 hours

haha

well the 2 hours is for the base system, once you get things going

oh

7:22 PM

and how long would kde take to compile

hmm on my main pc it took 2 days i think

yikesss

and if you want to compile firefox

7:23 PM

that takes 1 day

chromium?

maybe more

7:23 PM

NOOOOOO

yeek

well maybe

7:23 PM

but build time would increase by 5000%

why does everything need to compile

because it's gentoo

fair

7:24 PM

wait so LFS is basically creating your own distro

7:24 PM

that's fun

also, you can customize your system and only install the things you want, tweak the source code to install only the things you want

wow

tux-linux

but build time would increase by 5000%

so how long?

well if firefox took 1 day

a week?

don't know exactly

7:26 PM

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Chromium

Chromium

7:26 PM

also, with the amount of ram you have, it would fail at the final linking and thus leave you with an unusable build

emerge would take the most time, right

maybe compiling falkon is a good idea

tux-linux

also, with the amount of ram you have, it would fail at the final linking and thus leave you with an unusable build

swap?

that's also a bad idea but maybe

7:27 PM

falkon should get you going though; it's chromium but lighter

7:27 PM

and it performs equally well

i have 17G ready for swap... a bit overkill but you cant be too prepared

tux-linux

falkon should get you going though; it's chromium but lighter

the problem is, falkon isnt supported by discord (edited)

7:28 PM

iirc

what?

7:28 PM

impossible

is there a gentoo app for discord? (edited)

wait i'll try it now

7:28 PM

well you can download the prebuilt binaries from the official website

let me guess

7:28 PM

it'll take months to compile

falkon?

discord

you can't compile it

7:29 PM

there's no source

oh yeah

7:29 PM

closed

7:29 PM

what distro are you on rn (edited)

https://discord.com/download

Download Discord to Talk, Chat, and Hang Out

Download the best app to communicate over video, voice, or text. Available for Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS, and Android devices.

7:29 PM

choose download, then tar.gz

oh yeah

7:29 PM

or .deb

well won't work on gentoo

oh

7:30 PM

what distro are you on right now

7:30 PM

im on arch

ubuntu because I need qtcreator for inkbox and it's all configured up and ready

7:30 PM

otherwise i'd be on my archiso

oh

7:30 PM

archiso?

7:31 PM

arent those only for installs

no

wait nevermind

it's a liveusb

7:31 PM

that works

ohhh

7:31 PM

ok then

7:32 PM

btw, you can change your username to tux-linux as well, just go to settings

7:32 PM

if you want

yeah i can stay Nicolas for more formal things

yep

7:33 PM

dill is my default name, for more "formal" things i use nicknames on servers

7:33 PM

for some reason, my moms phone doesnt want to install discord

7:34 PM

so i'll use the other windows laptop

7:34 PM

just gotta flash the gentoo img

ok flash done

7:44 PM

see you later

ok

currently unpacking stage3 tarball

8:11 PM

whole lot of output

8:13 PM

tar: timestamp <time stamp> is <value> in the future

8:13 PM

@tux-linux is that bad...?

yes

8:13 PM

what's the output of date ?

i set it to MST

8:14 PM

manually

the output of date

because thats what it said in the guide...

8:14 PM

ok

8:14 PM

oh shi-

8:14 PM

march 3 (edited)

8:15 PM

do i set it again?

if you have a ntp client that would be ideal

yep

ntp-client ?

ntpd -q -g?

oh yes

do i have to tar again

did it finish?

the ntpd? yes

you didn't press ctrl+c ?

8:16 PM

no the tar command

no

8:17 PM

why would i do that

it should be correct

8:17 PM

well, to stop the program

the tar finished

8:17 PM

and all the output said it was in the future (edited)

8:17 PM

but it appears to have extracted

8:18 PM

at least /mnt/gentoo/etc/portage/make.conf was extracted, which leads me to believe the entire thing was extracted (edited)

it's saying that the files were in the future

8:19 PM

so when you'll set the date, it won't be in the future and everything will be nice

ok

8:19 PM

so the ntpd fixed it?

should have, yes

ok

8:20 PM

then im ready to optimize make.conf

but test with date again if it shows the correct date

k

8:21 PM

8:22 PM

i only edit the FLAGS?

i think so

ok

is it just me, or are consoles and livecd environments more keyboard sensitive than gui's

it's just you

ah

8:32 PM

haha

8:34 PM

wait, my boot partition is /dev/sda

8:34 PM

am i supposed to mount that @tux-linux

what is in /dev/sda?

lets see

it's not mandatory; you can keep kernels in the /boot folder as well

"/dev/sda"

8:35 PM

is in /dev/sda

8:35 PM

and its yellow

8:35 PM

a yellow file

8:35 PM

haha

tux-linux

it's not mandatory; you can keep kernels in the /boot folder as well

it says mount /dev/sda /boot

8:35 PM

if the boot partition is /dev/sda

that's crazy

8:36 PM

are you sure they didn't put a number after sda?

no, their boot partition was sda2

8:36 PM

but mine is sda...

sda is the disk

hmm

did you follow uefi instructions without noticing? (edited)

idk

8:37 PM

i mounted the necessary dirs

8:37 PM

/sys, /dev, etc. (edited)

continue but don't mount boot

ok

8:37 PM

wait you mean dont mount anything on /boot, right (edited)

yes

ok

it should be okay

right now im doing emerge-webrsync

8:39 PM

emerge is the compile thing later on, right?

it's the package manager

yeah

8:40 PM

so that compiles kde, etc?

8:40 PM

emerge kde later on?

it retrieves the source, then tells gcc g++ to compile

ah

not that simple

8:40 PM

but it's similar (edited)

okay

8:40 PM

right now, emerge --sync --quiet

8:41 PM

because im doing all the optional things

8:43 PM

eselect profile set 2 for kde?

8:43 PM

just an example

yes

8:44 PM

but check the profiles first

for me it says plasma/systemd or something (edited)

they could've changed

yeah

don't take systemd

8:44 PM

openrc is better and lighter

8:44 PM

so you could take the default

desktop/plasma?

yeah

k

also, openrc has shiny colors at boot-up

8:45 PM

random image from google

8:45 PM

yep

8:46 PM

haha

8:46 PM

im pretty sure gentoo liveusb uses openrc

8:46 PM

yeah it does (edited)

8:49 PM

the USE variable has way too many args

8:50 PM

this is probably where i'll mess up

8:51 PM

can the use variable be changed later? @tux-linux

8:53 PM

apparently the profile already sets it so im not worrying about that

installing kernel sources

@tux-linux how do i configure the kernel

9:15 PM

like, how do i do make menuconfig then <*> or [*]

Space bar

compiling kernel

9:41 PM

bye

i think my computer is melting

2:34 AM

@tux-linux

it's normal

2:34 AM

haha

2:34 AM

did you put a fan?

no

well; do it

ok then

or it will shut down in the next minutes

2:35 AM

something that you don't want

actually its been compiling for 4 or 5 hrs

oh then

2:35 AM

maybe it won't shutdown

2:35 AM

but it would probably thank you if you put a fan there

yup

2:36 AM

brb i'll get a fan

2:36 AM

if i have one

also, it could speed up compiling a little since it no longer would need to throttle

yup

2:38 AM

i asked my dad and he said to put it over some open air... so i'll put it between two chairs like you said

ok

do i need ethernet plugged in

well is it already plugged in?

ye

yes

k

and don't unplug it (edited)

ok

3:24 AM

compiling

your computer is ... well not recoverable if not by a reboot

Why not

oh ok it's showing actual text

Yep

3:25 AM

I'd be very worried otherwise

ok i had a problem with my 2010 mac some weeks ago when trying to install gentoo on it, it froze up at some point and it printed random data on the screen

Yikes

3:26 AM

Got to go

and then it hung and could not be recovered except by a reboot (which ,of course, would've obligated me to start all over again)

3:26 AM

ok

Yikes

3:26 AM

Bye

Finishing gentoo installation today

3:15 PM

What do i set my domain name to @tux-linux

3:16 PM

Nvm

3:45 PM

Do I need to do anything of I use BIOS

3:45 PM

if*

3:46 PM

...nvm again

dill

i think my computer is melting

Put it by a window slightly open

also, that can work

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

If anyone uses EFI, I suggest rEFInd over grub. It's much nicer for most configurations.

well, this is new ._.

7:52 PM

(Not the kobo, though, my thin client)

huh

7:52 PM

sometimes some program just decides "hey, why not segfault today and force my owner to reinstall the system?"

I literally installed it today .____.

what os?

And its wget!

7:53 PM

Debian 10

kernel version?

4.19.0-14

7:53 PM

(686-pae)

other programs work as they should?

Yeap

well, try with curl

I will

7:54 PM

The thing is

7:55 PM

I kind of want to figure it out

I understand

7:55 PM

maybe an apt upgrade?

7:55 PM

try with strace

Just did it this morning

7:55 PM

But Ill try

yeah, and maybe strace will help

7:56 PM

the program did actually run, so it's not entirely broken

7:56 PM

what if you try to get another file?

It works

7:56 PM

I think it might be related to a redirection

yeah

7:56 PM

maybe it's some strange feature that the running kernel doesn't support?

Probably

7:57 PM

And the fact that this computer is not a full 686

it's like a 386? 586?

As far as I found it's a 486

7:58 PM

But debian 10 works so I assumed it was a 586 (as support for 486 has ben dropped since debian 6/7 iirc) (edited)

yeah, debian 10 works no problem on my 2000 thin client too

7:59 PM

you could try alpine, that works well too

7:59 PM

the gitea server is running alpine

8:02 PM

huh. it seems that it's down for now. well, it stayed 9 days in uptime, that's ok

hahahahah

i'll go and check if it has not burned later today

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/gnutls.html

2.4 KB

well that dump is not something that i understand

Neither do I xD

try to compile wget from source and see if the same problem happens

[16761.445921] wget[7554]: segfault at 0 ip b7dda69c sp bfdc87f0 error 4 in libgnutls.so.30.23.2[b7cea000+109000]
[16761.445988] Code: 31 c0 8b 7c 24 0c 8b 74 24 10 8b 4c 24 14 89 e2 83 c4 80 0f 10 07 83 e4 f0 0f 10 4f 10 0f 29 04 24 89 e7 0f 29 4c 24 10 31 c0 <f3> 0f a6 d0 0f 28 04 24 0f 28 4c 24 10 89 d4 8b 7c 24 0c 0f 11 07

demsg?

8:09 PM

well gnutls is the culprit

yeap

so maybe try to compile gnutls from source?

8:10 PM

8:10 PM

that's a nice guide

ok now it's back online again

pgaskin

If anyone uses EFI, I suggest rEFInd over grub. It's much nicer for most configurations.

nope, BIOS

pgaskin

Put it by a window slightly open

didn't think of that...

well ... is it cold in there?

where

where you are

yep yep

12:32 AM

snowed this afternoon

12:32 AM

how do i install kde

12:32 AM

i have the profile selected

12:33 AM

base system is installed

12:33 AM

and xorg-x11 as well

here we had -3C today and last week like -30

yikes

well

12:33 AM

it was nice

-30 was a few weeks ago

big sun

rn its cloudy

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE

KDE

1

@tux-linux which one?

udev

k

4:07 AM

also does it take this long to compile cfg-update or whatever its called

idk

or maybe its finally starting to compile xorg

4:08 AM

1 hour later

did you start emerge for plasma?

no, right now im still setting up xorg

4:08 AM

or

4:09 AM

emerging it

well when did you start the command?

xorg-drivers, 3 hours ago and same with xorg-server

plasma will take a ... long ... time

it complained about circular dependencies

tux-linux

plasma will take a ... long ... time

weeks, am i right

4 days

oh

4:10 AM

thats gonna be a wild ride (edited)

if it doesn't crash

4:11 AM

ofc

yup

4:11 AM

i'll have to ensure that doesnt happen

4:11 AM

i have 14G of swap because be prepared (edited)

yeah; and also give it some fresh air

yup

do you have a garage?

oh yeah

4:12 AM

but

4:12 AM

ethernet

oh well; you shouldn't unplug the computer anyways

and also the battery

unless you have to reboot

ye

4:12 AM

it appears to be giving me a prompt

4:12 AM

brb

ok

4:13 AM

hope that it didn't fail

nope

4:13 AM

just cfg-update

4:13 AM

finished compiling

4:13 AM

also

4:13 AM

how do i fix portage complaining about config files needing updates

hmm

4:13 AM

i don't recall the command but it always does that

4:14 AM

oh yeah

4:14 AM

etc-update

ok

4:14 AM

do i emerge it first, or is it built in

built-in

1

merging the licenses

4:17 AM

or packages

4:17 AM

idk what its doing

4:17 AM

but its merging some files

soon, well it'll compile Plasma, you'll be grateful that sometimes CMake and Ninja are the build engines, and you'll hate make

4:19 AM

... because guess what they show ~~ progress ~~

:O

4:20 AM

make install plasma or something?

no

this?

make is a build system ninja and cmake are others basically, all of those complicated gcc/g++ commands that you see flowing on the screen are executed by the build systems, in an automated way; so the build systems tell the compilers what to compile, and in which order

oh

4:22 AM

but then i wont be able to see the progress because the text will be too fast...

4:22 AM

the text is already speedrunning for cfg-update

random image from google

4:23 AM

no, it will be static

ah

4:23 AM

oh wait really

4:23 AM

thats different

well, at the bottom of the screen

im used to the computer spitting out endless output

that's not a cool thing when you use serial on the kobo tho

the bottom will show progress, and the rest of the screen will be speedrunning?

no

4:24 AM

it won't show all the "noise"

4:24 AM

like the image above

oh!

4:24 AM

well thats very different

but; it will not be always that

also very pleasant for me because my siblings are gawking at the screen and shouting to each other to look at my laptop because its spitting out a lot of code :p (edited)

hahhahahahahaa

4:25 AM

btw

4:25 AM

gawking gawk

4:25 AM

google that

4:25 AM

gnu awk

hahaha

4:26 AM

yep

4:26 AM

you should also google sed, it's very useful for a lot of things

4:26 AM

i use it in kobox

so now i'll go try and emerge xorg-server, xorg-drivers, and xorg-x11

*inkbox

ok

4:26 AM

good luck

1

"change USE: '+bindist'"

4:29 AM

for openssl and something to do with qt

you want to know how to change the USE flags?

make.conf?

idk

4:30 AM

i never understood that but the thing is; i didn't change them and kde compiled and worked fine

oh

but -- you should change them

its telling me i need a bindist

google how to change use flags gentoo

k

4:33 AM

here's whats bugging me

maybe add bindist in /etc/portage/make.conf

4:34 AM

and read this https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/USE_flag

USE flag

no idea what to do so i just added a line that said BINDIST=""

what are the contents of the file ?

4:38 AM

oh you're in a tty

4:38 AM

https://tpaste.us/

some flags and some dirs also this is curious # NOTE: This stage was built with the bindist Use flag enabled.

well idk

4:38 AM

maybe it's enabled

ill ask in the gentoo discord

there's a gentoo discord?

http://discord.gg/gentoo

4:39 AM

yup

nice!

its in the linux hub, under #distributions (edited)

oh, didn't see it

there are lots of them

@tux-linux xorg-server stuck compiling (edited)

where?

libdir is doing something

well since when?

no idea

you should wait

for hours

4:18 AM

no, its been stuck for hours

ctrl alt f2

4:18 AM

and check htop or top to see cpu usage

tty2

4:18 AM

ok

4:19 AM

portage is using 100%

that's a good sign

my computer isnt warm tho

4:20 AM

its room temp

free -mh ?

3.3 gi available :/

what does it say on tty1 ?

wait after 3 hours of being stuck, its compiling again

well, that's luck

yup

what I'm most afraid of is when you'll install grub

4:23 AM

with the setup you have, it has a minimum 70% failure rate

4:30 AM

btw @dill , I've set up my Mini with Alpine Linux installed bare metal, and installed inkbox on it. I added a few features since the last time, there's now USBMS, font size, usbnet bridge setup, and a few nice other things here and there would you like to get the image for it? it boots straight into InkBox, no nickel bloat or anything like that

YEE

tux-linux

with the setup you have, it has a minimum 70% failure rate

i installed grub already

well, we'll see if it worked

it does

4:37 AM

gentoo is the only menu entry tho

oh, you already rebooted?

ye

that's better than nothing ;p

yup

would you like some screenshots of inkbox while I upload the thing?

sure

i also added a menu to "quit"

nice

now you have four shiny new options

4:38 AM

only suspend doesn't work for now

ah

4:39 AM

cool :D

1

4:39 AM

does nickel exist?

no, not at all

4:39 AM

it's a plain Alpine Linux system running natively on the kobo

wow

4:39 AM

so like kobox

well, yes, but native

4:39 AM

no chroot

oh

4:40 AM

thats better

so you have real openrc init system and services

:o

4:40 AM

so is there a gui

well; of course

well i mean

4:40 AM

it might not have had one

4:40 AM

like my gentoo system right now :p

it's running inkbox

oh

so it boots, then starts inkbox

4:40 AM

automatically

oh nice

great!!

4:46 AM

well; i just realized that I have to fix the "value" thing

4:46 AM

but the rest works

nice

4:47 AM

some new options

wooo

4:48 AM

cool!!!

1

4:50 AM

the best for the end

wow

and it really shows up on your computer

your mini is white like mine :D

4:50 AM

wow

I quite like the design of the usbms splash; do you?

yeah!

well, I'll clean up some things and I'll make a clean compressed image

ok

then, just dd and it's there

4:51 AM

also, it features the updated and enhanced new kernel

cant dd

5:35 AM

because of gentoo compiling

you can

5:35 AM

tty2

also btw its speedrunning again

you can plug in an external drive with the img

oh ye

dill

also btw its speedrunning again

:D

yep, nice!

its giving me some warnings about -Wno-maybe-uninitialized or something but it doesnt look like a big problem

no it's ok

ok

5:37 AM

wait after xorg server

5:37 AM

i also have to compile drivers and x11 before emerging plasma?

yes

that gonna take me until 2022

5:37 AM

haha

not that much

yeah

5:38 AM

also i saw that its compiling firefox

5:38 AM

so thats gonna take a long time

5:38 AM

gotta go

5:38 AM

bye!

1

done xorg-server and xorg-drivers!

3:06 PM

drivers took about a minute

3:06 PM

so now x11

tux-linux

you can

also i dont want to use more cpu

3:08 PM

with dd

3:08 PM

i can use the windows craptop i'm on right now

yeah, maybe with etcher

3:17 PM

but dd won't increase your cpu usage at all

3:18 PM

i'm developing some update/reset functions to help me clean up things, so I'll pack the image up once that is done

ok!

3:18 PM

:D

3:20 PM

the laptop is speedrunning again

1

3:24 PM

pre-compile step

⬆️ that's from 10 minutes ago i think

3:25 PM

yup

configuration process

ye

it's like running ./configure before make

looks like its on 50 of 75

3:25 PM

yeah

well; install plasma after; I think there are about 600 pkgs to emerge

yikes

3:26 PM

i'll do that before heading out to school then

if you can, it'd be a very good idea

3:26 PM

(if it finishes ofc)

yea, but it depends if xorg-x11 finishes

3:26 PM

probably will though

3:27 PM

it looks like its 2/3 of the way done

nice

first do i switch to the kde profile, or do i emerge kde

you should switch to the kde profile

3:28 PM

then it will probably give you a thousand errors, as usual

first?

3:28 PM

yea

yes

it will

3:28 PM

this, right?

you want the full feature set?

ye

there's plasma-desktop, which will take less time to build

3:29 PM

and will only install core things

after that, you'll want to emerge maybe dolphin, konsole, and firefox if not done already

3:30 PM

in that case, you'll be able to emerge them after

3:30 PM

but it's up to you

i think plasma-meta would be easier

3:30 PM

but slower, if im correct

yeah

probably going to take as much time as emerging plasma-desktop + firefox, dolphin, konsole, etc

maybe

71 of 75 is emerging

3:35 PM

and yet the windows laptop is making more noise than the linux laptop i wonder why

stronger fan?

3:35 PM

windows is real bloat, so... yeah

yea

3:36 PM

done x11

change profile then plasma

ok

3:38 PM

i set profile

3:38 PM

stable, right

yeah

ok

better not go to unstable for now

then i did emerge kde-plasma/plasma-meta

no --ask ?

no...

3:39 PM

AAAAGH

shouldn't be that important

error again

what?

bindist again

3:39 PM

for use flags

prepend it

k

USE=+bindist or something like that before emerge

3:40 PM

if there are space in the use flags, enclose the var in quote marks

i tried that before, apparently use flags cant start with +

well, maybe just try to put bindist alone ?

i did USE="bindist" emerge kde-plasma/plasma-meta

should work

emerging (1 of 269)

hold your breath haha

heh im gonna be wondering if this is done when im at school

yeah

probably not though

and this evening you'll come back and see it complained about another error

yep

so don't have high hopes, it's my take

yeah definitely

3:43 PM

gotta go

3:43 PM

bye!

ok bye

@tux-linux its compiling

12:02 AM

emerging 162/269

12:02 AM

was probably a good idea to start it before heading out to school

Yeah, nice!

2:08 AM

wow!

3:49 AM

still compiling

3:51 AM

looks like it has 30 pkgs left

3:51 AM

:DDD

should be done by tomorrow morning :/

yeah, that's gentoo...

yup

@dill https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/inkbox.img.gz

2:05 PM

Fiash it with that gunzip -c inkbox.img.gz | sudo dd of=/dev/mmcblk0

webpage here https://kobox.fermino.me/download.html

please give feedback if you can; it'd be really awesome

1

@tux-linux if theres alpine, can there be openbox

theoritically, yes

how would we do it

same as installing xorg in the chroot

1:19 AM

but the software would be outdated

why?

the mini's kernel can only run up to alpine 3.10

OH

1:20 AM

oops caps lock

1:20 AM

haha

1:21 AM

btw emerging chroium

1:21 AM

gotta go bye

oook good luck

still compiling

4:07 AM

what i dont understand is, why isnt it precompiled like for arch

4:10 AM

this is why i hate opera sometimes

yeah

4:13 AM

that's annoying but that happens with any chromium-based browser that I encountered to have seen

dill

what i dont understand is, why isnt it precompiled like for arch

to give you the maximum options for customizing and stripping down the system to what you want

true

4:15 AM

i decided to just use chrome

4:16 AM

about to scream

yeah

what browser do you use

4:17 AM

agh discord

now its firefox

ah

i use discord in the browser

i miss when firefox was included in windows 7/8.1

i tested with the app, and honestly it doesn't add much features that i need

4:18 AM

it was never included

for me it was

probably oem-included

idk how

4:18 AM

oh

i use vivaldi also, but firefox is doing what i want for now, it's a wonderful browser for normal pcs

4:18 AM

i.e. not kobos

haha firefox is slow on my aura

well you're lucky if it even launches before crashing

at least the installer downloaded

4:19 AM

yeah definitely

nice

on firefox now

firefox's ui on windows is better than linux's

hm

4:22 AM

i think linux's is better

it depends

im on windows rn

i love the purple background tho

because linux is emerging chromium

4:22 AM

on what?

which linux hasn't by default

4:22 AM

firefox

this?

yeah

yeah i like it too

4:23 AM

would firefox take longer to emerge, or chromium

chromium

ah

4:24 AM

how fast is your flash speed

4:24 AM

on linux, mine is 10-15 mbps and on windows, 3-5 mbps

4:24 AM

for images

4:24 AM

(on windows, i use etcher, and on linux i use dd)

hmm

4:25 AM

depends

4:25 AM

around 10mbs

4:25 AM

not mbps

4:26 AM

mbps means "megaBITS per second"

oh

thus, not bytes

i see

it's how your ISP is lying to you

4:26 AM

when it says that you have 400mbps speeds

4:26 AM

you divide by 8

4:26 AM

and in fact you only have 50 mb/s

50 mbs

4:26 AM

ah

yeah

you can open img files in archive managers, right

4:29 AM

i did that once in linux

4:29 AM

i think it was arch

4:30 AM

Nice

4:31 AM

I can't wait to see if I messed up or if it really works with other devices than mine

i cant wait to see if it works!

4:31 AM

be right back, grabbing my mini

Yeah, suspends only works with the power button, but I'll issue an update file to fix that

and making sure i have the image of my mini

Yes

4:33 AM

Also, exported storage is only 512mb, but it is enough for testing, I could change that in the future if necessary

sorry for the wait, i had a little scare when i couldnt find my sd adapter

4:35 AM

all good now

I completely understand

4:35 AM

I lose it all the time (edited)

haha they are easy to lose

The microsds are even easier to lose

4:36 AM

You just look away and they're already gone

yeah its a miracle i havent lost mine

tux-linux

Also, exported storage is only 512mb, but it is enough for testing, I could change that in the future if necessary

"exported"?

Onboard

oh thats fine

There's a few books for testing too (edited)

oh nice

4:38 AM

still just txt, right

Yeah

4:38 AM

Well theoretically anything plain text

ok

Like shell scripts

4:38 AM

Or source code files

also i can resize the exported storage, right

4:38 AM

oh cool!

Not easily

4:39 AM

It's actually... A file

i have a "partition wizard"

4:39 AM

ah

No

4:39 AM

It's like Kobox chroot image but there are books inside instead of Xorg

oh i see what you mean

And so g_file_storage exports it over USB when you click go in usbms in Settings

4:40 AM

To exit of usbms, unplug the cable

4:41 AM

Did it flash?

yup, just got the etcher notification

Stress

yeah

Suspense

YEE

4:43 AM

eBook reader InkBox

4:43 AM

IT WORKED

Wheeeeeeeee

4:43 AM

Btw to open the file, double tap

oh ok

4:44 AM

had a little confusion over where the open button was

Yeah it's a strange scaling error

same page error with the aura

4:45 AM

text seems to be below the screen as well

Yeah, did you click the menu button in the first page?

i opened the credits and it's cut off where it says "Thanks to:"

4:46 AM

then the next page says "feedback."

Yeah better to click menu after you turned one page

4:46 AM

Try it out it works

:o i see officeraction and i see "Elektron" on the bottom a little, but the menu is gone

4:47 AM

thanks for putting me in! :D

Try with 84-0 it's Frankenstein

4:48 AM

Click next then menu

4:48 AM

That will work

4:48 AM

And well

how do i exit?

4:49 AM

the "previous, next, and options" menu is gone

Well there's a home button in the menu

dill

the "previous, next, and options" menu is gone

.

But... What?

4:49 AM

Options menu?

the page is showing fully on the screen

4:50 AM

the menu on the bottom? for turning pages? that's gone

Oh

4:50 AM

Force restart

wait i might send a picture, depending on if my camera works

4:50 AM

ok

It should work with Frankenstein tho

camera is like 144p so no point in sending

Yeah, it's ok

4:51 AM

Did it reboot?

yes, just fixing the back of the kobo

Ok

4:53 AM

I feel your pain

it works! and well!

Nice! Did you try dictionary search?

4:55 AM

I think it's the fastest I've ever seen

4:55 AM

Double tap a word

yeah definitely, i love it

Nice! Also the star can save the word, then you can view them in apps/saved words

4:56 AM

This feature actually took a ton of time to develop

yeah i saw, kind of like "my words" in nickel

tux-linux

This feature actually took a ton of time to develop

i can imagine

Nice that you like it!

whats the "light maps"? looks like "google maps"

You can also try and plug it in to the computer, then settings/start usbms And you'll have USB ms

and i have no idea how to exit light maps

Well it works but only with internet, so you'll either have to have USBnet set up or in the far future, wifi

oh

Exit, well yeah, no way currently

4:58 AM

Reboot

ok

Usbnet is started at boot time, so you can directly connect without having to hook up serial

nice

It is stopped when in usbms though, of course

yea

Did you try sleep?

i'll grab my usb

4:59 AM

yeah, i like the screen

4:59 AM

its simple

Yeah, and I'll issue a small update soon, you'll be able to see the update splash

wait...

Yeah?

its setting up an ethernet thing

5:01 AM

is that usbnet?

5:01 AM

i've never used it before

Yep ;p

But it probably won't cope well with Windows

5:02 AM

When you click "Go" on usbms, it will show as mass storage though

okay

5:02 AM

will i be able to see the files in onboard

Yes

5:03 AM

Well that's why there's usbms

haha dumb question

Not the rootfs files though

5:03 AM

And that's better, because not secure otherwise

:D

Yeah ;)

thanks :D!

1

You can go to Gutenberg.org and maybe grab some books in plain text

1

sure

dill

thanks :D!

Should I create an MR thread?

YES

I think it's mature enough now to be denoted as "usable"

"Introducing InkBox A new eBook reader for the Kobo line of eReaders" (edited)

5:05 AM

agh caps

Well a bit long tho

yeah but not the title

5:05 AM

the header

"InkBox: an open source OS for Kobo eReaders"

5:06 AM

Oh yeah sure

yeah

That's going to be huge

yeah!

5:06 AM

no school tomorrow so that means i can be on

5:06 AM

yey

Nice! Me it's online school so

5:07 AM

About the same thing

i went online for 3 months, i decided in person was much better

We change between real classes and online

high school?

Like one day it's at school, and the other is home

5:08 AM

Yes

i'm in junior high

Honestly I don't know much what you're talking about

5:08 AM

Here in Quebec I'm in "Secondaire 3"

middle school i guess you could call it

5:08 AM

grade 7

Ok so like maybe "Secondaire 1" here (edited)

yeah

5:09 AM

probably

5:10 AM

do i need to eject

Well, better to

5:11 AM

Anyways it reboots after because I didn't figure out a way to do it without reboot

doesnt seem to be an option, its reading it as a native disk (i.e. part of C:)

5:11 AM

wait

5:11 AM

nevermind im dumb

Yeah, impossible

it has happened before

Wait really

yeah but for disks like DVDs, not USB devices

Still strange

5:12 AM

You have to unplug after

yeah i did

Did it reboot?

5:12 AM

(yet)

no

5:12 AM

im reading sherlock holmes

Huh?

from gutenberg

Ok so it rebooted but you didn't realize it

probably

Haha ok

5:13 AM

What font did you choose?

Nice!!!!

sorry for low resolution but this is a 10 or 9 year old laptop ;P

Even if it's 144p

yeah

5:15 AM

i much like source serif pro

Yeah it's nice

Also, if you want to change the font size, there's an option in settings for that

5:16 AM

No

yeah i generally like small text

5:16 AM

im a big reader

There's an option to change number of words

i'll go get a better camera

5:16 AM

oh nice!

Great

5:17 AM

Yeah, because bigger font size would be ... Problematic if that didn't exist

much better

Yep, very nice

5:19 AM

Thanks

1

5:20 AM

Second Kobo mini in the world running InkBox

that's certainly exciting! :D

I hope people will like it

they will

I think I made a good job in the design

dill

they will

Thanks

yeah definiteylsjgsogjosi i gave up on the spelling (edited)

Haha ok

scribble is a sketch app?

Yeah

5:22 AM

And it actually works

WHOA

Well it's a save menu

5:23 AM

It's an example app

yeah but so many formats

I didn't code this one

thats cool

5:24 AM

really?

Yes, it's a part of the Qt examples (edited)

5:25 AM

Light maps too

But these are the only ones that are 3rd party

cool!!

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Love it

i think include some screenshots

You can change the pencil size btw

yeah thats what i did

Yeah of course

5:26 AM

I also shot a video

i can do that but there might be noise

5:26 AM

i can mute that however

Yeah

...hard to do with a webcam perched on a laptop

Ok well that's very nice that you like it, tomorrow I'll issue some new updates so you can see what it's like to update, and also it will introduce a fix to suspend with the suspend button in the quit menu

Well I did one with my phone, the quality should be better

5:28 AM

Not that I don't like your webcam but

no, i understand

5:28 AM

phones are better for videos

5:29 AM

i took the pictures of my laptop with a phone actually

Yeah, difference is noticeable

5:29 AM

Haha

5:29 AM

You could take a video with the phone if you want too

yeah but not right now; it's being used :/

5:30 AM

also the author's quote seems to be taking up the entire screen (edited)

5:30 AM

Yeah... That's why I disabled it

how do i disable again?

You'll need to reflash I'm afraid

oh ok no problem

Or modify the config

how do i do that?

In /opt/config

oh

You'll have to do that on the microSD tho

5:33 AM

With a real computer

thats fine im on a real computer

5:34 AM

also i like how fast IB loads

But can you access ext4 FS?

no idea lets see

Yeah, actually the boot process mounts squashfs images everywhere

5:35 AM

You shouldn't be able to on Windows

5:35 AM

Like, InkBox binary is a squashfs, Python, qt, etc.

my microSD was RIGHT HERE

5:35 AM

AAAAAH

5:35 AM

ok i feel your pain

Well is it not in the Kobo?

just took it out

No squashfs is nice You can check /etc/init.d/inkbox_gui

found it

Oof

now lets see if it can work

Probably not

nope

5:37 AM

oof

5:37 AM

ok reflashing

5:40 AM

flashed

Great

the flash was done in a flash ;p

1

5:44 AM

when will you post the thread?

All should be back to normal now

yep it is

Probably tomorrow

It's 23:45 here

oh yikes

5:45 AM

i'd be asleep by then

5:45 AM

here it's 21:45

Yeah, at least I'm not living in UK or France

5:47 AM

Timezone would be... Problematic

yeah

5:47 AM

should i add an invite link to the kobox server to my signature?

If you want yes

ok

5:50 AM

i have to go now

5:51 AM

bye!

Ok bye

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337972

InkBox: a new open-source OS and eBook reader based on Qt5 - Mobil...

InkBox: a new open-source OS and eBook reader based on Qt5 Kobo Developer's Corner

@dill There's a new update available, as promised, at http://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/update/

@tux-linux :D great!

there's a how to there too

yeah i saw

4:21 PM

grabbing my mini

4:22 PM

chromium will probably finish compiling tomorrow :/

maybe after tomorrow

4:22 PM

and after after tomorrow

yeah

4:23 PM

so i put that in .inkbox? (edited)

that

4:23 PM

yes

you extract it

4:23 PM

in .inkbox

oh i thought you actually put the txz in it

no

4:24 PM

you extract it there

ok

in the folder, not in the root of the onboard storage

yeah got it

4:24 PM

can i rename the drive?

better not

its called "Local Disk (G:/)"

4:25 PM

this, i extract?

yeah

4:26 PM

in .inkbox

1

4:26 PM

isa means inkbox software archive

nice

it's actually a squashfs

oh it is?

containing other squashfs

4:27 PM

containing inkbox binaries, python and qt

this is the .inkbox

4:28 PM

can i eject?

the squashfs are mounted at boot by the init script

4:28 PM

yes, but be sure that it has correctly written all

i extracted twice

twice? (edited)

4:28 PM

well eject, should be ok

yeah because i thought it didnt do it the first time

4:28 PM

(winRAR wasn't responding)

ah

just rebooted

4:29 PM

showing me the home screen

so you'll click the update button in settings

4:30 PM

turn the page theres a chevron

ok

pointing right

i'll also take a picture of that

nice

4:31 PM

did you find it?

wow!!

yeah, do you like the animation?

yeah

4:33 PM

just like nickel

4:33 PM

success

yeah, nice

now i'll look at the youtube, havent had a chance to see that

4:34 PM

i saw the thread

you should be able to suspend by clicking the suspend button in quit menu

its not responding...

4:37 PM

to touch

4:37 PM

wait nevermind, i think it was frozen for a minute

what?

^

yeah ok

i really want to see if my grub reinstall worked for showing the other distros

4:39 PM

but i cant because of chromium

wait

4:39 PM

you wanted to compile chromium

4:40 PM

i said you should go with falkon

4:40 PM

but you didn't listen

yeah i may have forgotten

4:40 PM

:/ sorry

but it will finish someday

yeah

4:40 PM

also touch is being wonky

restart?

4:41 PM

how wonky

i press options and previous and it turns the page

huh restart

it seems to not respond when i press quit

force restart then

doing it

4:42 PM

oh ok now i see the quit mennu

4:42 PM

i like it

but try what you were doing before

4:43 PM

when did it become wonky

which one was huckleberry finn? 76-0 or 84-0? (edited)

76

working now

does suspend with the button works?

lets see

4:46 PM

yeah

4:46 PM

brb

ok

ok back

4:52 PM

what does "search" do

nothing for now

4:52 PM

it should search onboard for books in the future

ok

and maybe dictionary too

4:53 PM

personally i think the config file should be onboard

that would render updating ... difficult i think

4:54 PM

i could implement a reset option

4:54 PM

like the "diags" menu in the kindles

hm

4:55 PM

never had a kindle

these are... nice but not nice

factory reset to default inkbox?

yeah

4:55 PM

that'd be cool

4:56 PM

like a recovery partition

^

4:56 PM

yeah

4:56 PM

i have the space for that

that's exciting i must admit

definitely

4:56 PM

inkbox can become like koreader and plato

I could also roll another update today because I need some way to put files directly in the rootfs

4:56 PM

yeah

4:56 PM

maybe more stable too, because qt is rock solid stable already

yeah!

4:57 PM

also why cant i switch ttys while running KDE without KDE crashing

it's specific to distros

4:57 PM

arch can

4:57 PM

others can't

4:57 PM

well right out of the box tho

tty1 is compiling, tty2 is kde, i switch to tty1 to check on it, then back to tty2, to find that bluedevil is printing out a dozen error messages a minute and i have to ^C

tty2 is on KDE ???????????? (edited)

4:58 PM

well that's SIGNIFICANTLY slowing down your compiling

ah

4:59 PM

no tty1 is on compiling

4:59 PM

tty2 is kde

4:59 PM

but yeah i'll avoid that

yeah, better to close the x session

4:59 PM

tty 3 and killall X

4:59 PM

or rc-service sddm stop maybe

no if i switch ttys then the thing crashes by itself

4:59 PM

not sddm

5:00 PM

startx

oh

5:00 PM

killall X then

or log out but i don't know if it will really kill x

i'll do it from konsole

5:01 PM

also i'll put some screenshots on MR

ok nice

request dhcp lease?

5:06 PM

what's that for?

for usbnet

5:06 PM

when you want to bridge and have internet access via usb

oh

5:06 PM

ok so i'll restart and plug the mini into the computer

5:07 PM

then i'll request a dhcp lease?

what computer

laptop windows 10

windows? no

aw

plug it in the gentoo laptop, then tty2 or tty3

you wont eat cpu

ok

5:07 PM

so i plug it in then request a dhcp lease?

no

5:07 PM

you plug it in

5:08 PM

ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2

5:08 PM

and then

5:08 PM

ssh user@192.168.2.1

5:08 PM

password is user

5:08 PM

you won't have internet access, but it's enough to have a shell

5:08 PM

real internet access is a bit more complicated

shouldnt it be 192.168.2.2 not 192.168.2.1

no

5:08 PM

because your computer is 192.168.2.1

1

5:09 PM

and the kobo is 192.168.2.2

ok

then you'll want to gain root access , password is root

5:09 PM

i may or may not disable root login in the future, to make things more secure

5:09 PM

ssh as root is already blocked by alpine

5:11 PM

you can start and stop inkbox by typing rc-service inkbox_gui start

5:11 PM

or stop

usb0 isnt an interface (edited)

also i made a shortcut, you can type start inkbox_gui as well

5:11 PM

usb0? (edited)

ye

ifconfig

5:12 PM

does it show any unusual interface

no just enp5s0 and lo

disconnect usb

5:13 PM

reboot the kobo

5:13 PM

reconnect usb

5:13 PM

or maybe ifconfig -a shows something else

sit0 (edited)

ok so try disconnect reboot and reconnect then

i set the thing to 192.168.2.2 and started ssh

does it work

but ssh user@192.128.2.1 just hangs

.2

5:19 PM

i said

and you set it to 192.168.2.1

5:19 PM

really i said that?

yeah

hahahahaha ok it's the contrary

hehe

ifconfig .1

ok

ssh .2

so ifsonfig 192.168.2.1 then ssh user@192.168.2.2

yeah

connection timed out

ifconfig usb0 down

5:22 PM

unplug

5:22 PM

reboot

5:22 PM

plug

5:22 PM

ifconfig usb0 up

5:22 PM

ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1

5:22 PM

ssh user@192.168.2.2

you mean sit0 but ye

no

5:22 PM

not sit0

what

5:22 PM

ok then

there should be some interface

5:22 PM

enx..... or usb...

theres lo and enp5s0 which are regular, but then there's sit0 that appears when i plug it in

really

5:23 PM

try another usb port

wait sit0 is apparently part of the system as well

5:25 PM

it only shows up when i use -a

yeah

5:27 PM

try another usb port

ok

5:28 PM

wait i only have 2 and i tried both and it doesnt work (edited)

strange

yeah

boot win10 laptop with a liveusb

cant

5:28 PM

my parents dont want me to :c

oh

5:29 PM

even a liveusb?

this is a "family" computer even though theres a fast pc in the corner

5:29 PM

ye

it doesnt do anything

ye

5:29 PM

still :c

yeah ok don't know then

ok

you rebooted the kobo?

yea

idk

ok

plug in the kobo then

5:31 PM

dmesg | tail

it seems to recognize it

what does it say

it says "new usb connect" and it gives info

5:34 PM

"product: ethernet rndis gadget" or something

should be ok

hm

5:34 PM

its not tho

are you sure it doesnt show anything else in ifconfig

lets try again

5:35 PM

ye im sure

ifconfig usb0 up ?

5:36 PM

maybe ...

ok lets see

5:36 PM

no such device

idk

ok no problem

well maybe you could try to let the kobo plugged in, then reboot the kobo

5:54 PM

and don't unplug it

5:54 PM

the only option left would be to restart the computer but obviously you can't

ok I've looked into some options for a recovery partition, I think I'll embed an initramfs into a new kernel and then switch_root to either the rootfs or recoveryfs if the power button is pressed or not in the first 3 seconds of boot-up

Great!!!

10:44 PM

Initramfs would be very useful

yeah, actually wonderfully useful for emmc devices

But I think you should put it in the thread in bold, otherwise people might accidentally recover their Inkbox by accident

what?

10:46 PM

well if they get to the recovery menu there will still be options

10:46 PM

it won't erase anything right away

Oh I thought it would

look at the kindles diags

Like nickel

10:47 PM

Ok

10:47 PM

Diagnostics?

yes

Oh cool

that, as an example

10:48 PM

1

10:49 PM

yeah, a cool menu

10:49 PM

I'm wondering if I should do it in Qt or in something lighter

10:49 PM

but I couldn't, since I don't know much else

10:49 PM

and even if i did, touch input would be a chore to handle without qt

Lighter imo but it's up to you

10:50 PM

Yeah true

maybe xorg haha

Yeah

but I think it would weigh about the same size

10:50 PM

also, I can put Qt in a squashfs too so that's not bad

Which reminds me, chromium is more than halfway done

10:51 PM

Oh ye

basically, the initrd will just switch root to the diags partition if the power button is pressed

10:51 PM

otherwise it'll switch root to the rootfs

10:51 PM

nice!

1

Ok then that's much better than nickels way of doing things

yep

10:52 PM

kindles don't have a factory reset option like kobos

Really

10:52 PM

Weird

to reinstall the fw you have to hook it up to serial then you go in fastboot and transfer manually the fw images

That's sad

no not weird; amazon just likes to lock their users into their ecosystem

I'm on an Amazon fire right now ;p

yes, but I love it; it's nice to see what amount of efforts they've deployed to lockdown the system like this

10:53 PM

if InkBox was closed source and we sold it in real ereaders, I think I would do that

10:53 PM

but it's my point of view

10:54 PM

I like to lock down things; but i don't know why

Hhhhhhjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhhhfv

10:54 PM

Wait what

and then i'd watch bulletin boards to see if someone found how to jailbreak them

"Hm" auto corrected to Hhhhhhjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhhhfv

and I'd probably hire the "someone"

Looool

haha

tux-linux

if InkBox was closed source and we sold it in real ereaders, I think I would do that

Might even be possible... In the extremely far future

probably not

10:57 PM

it's too crappy to be a real product

Yeah since it's open source right now

tux-linux

it's too crappy to be a real product

Yeah but like you said it's still " alpha"

yeah, it will probably be a reactos-like alpha

10:58 PM

haha

Yeah

20 years

10:58 PM

that's a long time

haha you'll be 35 and I'll be 32

yep

10:59 PM

but if we continue the development that far

yeah ¯\(ツ)\/¯

well it has to be good

Yeap

10:59 PM

Definitely

what I would have done for the diags would be just to have put some things in mmcblk0p2 but since the mini's reset button doesn't restart on mmcblk0p2

11:00 PM

we go the hard way

Compiling

tux-linux

what I would have done for the diags would be just to have put some things in mmcblk0p2 but since the mini's reset button doesn't restart on mmcblk0p2

Yep

yeah; do you show that to your friends sometimes?

11:01 PM

they must be scared haha

But we should also expand to more device aupport

11:01 PM

Support

ofc

11:02 PM

but the only other thing i have with removable sd is the glo hd

11:02 PM

and as you know...

11:02 PM

it's a piece of crap

tux-linux

yeah; do you show that to your friends sometimes?

Hahaha yea, one of them asked me to spawn three trillion dollars in USD

they're hilarious

1

tux-linux

it's a piece of crap

Ye I've seen pictures

11:03 PM

They are

well mine is

11:03 PM

not them

11:03 PM

i mean; the screen

11:03 PM

it got cracked

Yeah

11:03 PM

I saw

oh ok

you uploaded a video I think

yeah the youtube thing

It looked old

it's only from 2015

I got my aura in 2019 or something

but it looks old because I dismantled it from its shell

Oh

honestly, I don't really care about it

11:05 PM

the aura could work too, maybe booting from an external sd, but the h/w is pretty much the same than on the mini

haha my Kobo mini is always lying around

good thing

tux-linux

the aura could work too, maybe booting from an external sd, but the h/w is pretty much the same than on the mini

No it's pretty recent Not an Aura, an Aura H2O ed 2

no I mean my Aura

No sd slot

11:05 PM

Oh

11:06 PM

Yeah but the thing is, how would you boot from an external one in the first place

tweaking uboot config

Ooh us

11:06 PM

Oh ye*

11:07 PM

Haha

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269509

Aura H2O Boot from external SD - MobileRead Forums

Aura H2O Boot from external SD Kobo Developer's Corner

11:07 PM

hmm well it's the wrong one

11:07 PM

maybe not

11:07 PM

idk

probably the same with every kobo

should work yes

Because yeah I thought nickel was the one detecting the SDs not uboot

of course not

11:08 PM

u-boot is like grub

Oh

it's extremely low-level and it loads kernel at specific memory addresses, then boot

Brb checking on laptop

11:09 PM

Oh ok I get it

11:09 PM

13078 out of 23398

11:09 PM

:\

two days to go

11:10 PM

i think

More like one

depends

11:10 PM

and you don't know what can happen at the end

Maybe even tomorrow morning

11:10 PM

Yea

11:11 PM

Laptop is surprisingly fast

it's the final link that is the most likely to fail

11:12 PM

it will probably eat up a lot of memory, don't know if your swap will be enough

14G swap, man

yeah i know

Oh dang

11:13 PM

18G will have to be in memory???

idk

11:13 PM

but surely a lot

11:13 PM

i think you should be good

11:13 PM

but short

Yeah but surely not that much (edited)

Also I think I'll do some OOBE setup for InkBox

Yeah like basic config setup?

Yes

11:16 PM

Like when you boot Nickel for the first time

Oh cool, so maybe in the future different languages

Yes

Could start with English and French

Yep

would definitely be cool

Just had a flash Imagine in the future people sell modded Kobos with InkBox Like factory reset and there's a "press the power button"picture and it boots into InkBox

hahaha yeah

11:22 PM

Could also look into developing with kindles now that you have one

That's going to be tricky

11:25 PM

Because I'd have to port the Kobo platform plugin

tux-linux

yeah; do you show that to your friends sometimes?

"that looks like a virus"

11:26 PM

Oh yeah

nice haha

also, a NickelBoot in Qt would be nice what should I do first? NickelBoot shouldn't take much time; it's not that complicated to set up I think (edited)

tux-linux

@OfficerAction OK, so as a side-project more or less related to KoBox: Since I had success running Alpine Linux entirely on the Kobo, I'd like to develop myself an embedded system for my Kobo using a coughs recent Qt framework and Qt Web Engine. It would probably include an open-source reader framework or in-house developed one. I.e. an open source Nickel. Since your Manga reader was in Qt, I think you're the one who knows most about it in this server. So, I have some questions for you (and to anyone who knows about an answer); 1. On what system should it be run? I think Alpine is fine, but I don't know if musl-libc is ideal for it... but also, I've seen Yocto and BuildRoot, those seem pretty interesting... 2. What's the learning curve? I know some Python and C. Qt is mostly C++, right? Don't worry, if you say "very hard" I'll give it a try anyways I think haha 3. any other recommendations/warning/emergencies like "doooon't do thiiss" or the like? thanks! (edited)

I can't believe how much I learned in 3 weeks hahaha

haha

tux-linux

also, a NickelBoot in Qt would be nice what should I do first? NickelBoot shouldn't take much time; it's not that complicated to set up I think (edited)

that was... the firmware thing, right?

yes

4:19 AM

to boot multiple nickel versions

thats the reason why i installed linux haha

true

4:20 AM

well you'll be able to test it

4:20 AM

i think you don't regret your decision

ye i dont

4:20 AM

windows was crap

i'm testing things with an initrd, kernel doesn't want to cooperate

4:21 AM

yes

4:21 AM

ofc

tux-linux

i'm testing things with an initrd, kernel doesn't want to cooperate

kexec?

no

4:21 AM

initramfs

4:21 AM

initrd

dont know what an initrd is (edited)

pretty much the same thing

gotta go, will be back in ~20 mins

4:22 AM

bye

tux-linux

pretty much the same thing

oh

ok bye

back

no one seems to be interested by inkbox on mobileread tho...

no they will be

4:47 AM

wait let me see mr

4:48 AM

they probably didnt see the thread

4:48 AM

or didnt reply

4:48 AM

because it only has 258 views

yeah

people like @davidfor and @NiLuJe are probably asleep

maybe

ye because theyre in different timezones... davidfor is in australia and NiLuJe is in france

yes, could be

...chromium will probably be installed

4:52 AM

by

4:52 AM

tomorrow morning at the latest i think

4:52 AM

earliest*

great

and i probably wont stop using the word probably

I use Gentoo btw (edited)

4:53 AM

that?

haha

say it to your friends, they won't understand anything of it

4:53 AM

well likely

how about "I use Deepin, Arch, Gentoo, and Debian btw"

yeah... maybe

they would say "are you crazy" (edited)

"and I run Alpine Linux on my Kobo"

4:54 AM

hahaha

haha

4:55 AM

so "I use Alpine, Deepin, Arch, Debian, and Gentoo btw"

4:55 AM

wait i'll put that in my chat right now

4:57 AM

i'll do @all in my chat to annoy people as well C:<

haha

nice

5:00 AM

now people will be like "huh?"

yep hahaa

nice

5:01 AM

then say that Windows is just pure crap and you'll get banned of the chat ahhahaha

hahaa

but you forgot the btw

Great!

but probably nobody is online so i'll see tomorrow

hehe

i have to go

ok bye

bye

smacks forehead

5:13 AM

i forgot to swapon

5:13 AM

im so dumb haha

5:14 AM

the compiling was stuck

it failed?

no

5:14 AM

it was stuck, i top and i see 0 swap

haha

so i think "I FORGOT TO SWAPON"

and you put that in your class group chat again haha

and i almost destroy my computer punching in swapon /dev/sda6

yeeeeee

haha

well hopefully it will finish soon

yeah now that swap is on

5:16 AM

will top use cpu or slow down compiling

yes, and you should look at htop too, it's nice

htop isnt a command :/

emerge it

later

5:17 AM

after chromium

or download it

5:17 AM

https://htop.dev/downloads.html

5:17 AM

then put the binary in /usr/bin

WAIT i just realized, after chromium, i no longer need to emerge

why

because i can just download the tar.gz

5:17 AM

unless im dumb

5:18 AM

which is often (edited)

well not for each app

yeah only for the ones that allow it

5:18 AM

like discord

also, i think that gentoo sometimes offers package-bin packages

5:18 AM

like, when compiling is so slow that even the maintainers would like to throw their computer by the window

tux-linux

like, when compiling is so slow that even the maintainers would like to throw their computer by the window

like me

5:19 AM

with chromium

yeah

5:19 AM

but some are worse

like?

well, not necessarily by compile time (there are, i can't name one for now), but e.g. Linux From Scratch

5:20 AM

you have to hunt for the depends, one by one

5:20 AM

that's what you call a d*** big rabbit hole

5:21 AM

thinks at what the experience of compiling Qt in LFS was

5:21 AM

gentoo does all of that for you

haha

5:21 AM

yikes

5:21 AM

brb

hahahahaa

5:22 AM

i'd never say that to anyone, so you're coureagous

5:22 AM

well except the bit when you say that windows is crap

haha

initrd is ALMOST working

5:27 AM

like, I got to the point where I can get a login console

whats going wrong?

5:27 AM

oh cool!!

i don't have a password set

oh easy

and an initrd is not supposed to have a password

5:28 AM

yeah i know

5:28 AM

i'm trying some getty tricks currently

oh cool

5:30 AM

what on earth

it's windows

yup

5:31 AM

guess i'll head out

ok

bye

@tux-linux

3:27 PM

i use kobo on my kobo

You just lost them

3:36 PM

Btw initrd is working

cool!

tux-linux

You just lost them

haha

You lost me as well

3:45 PM

Well idk if it is an expression where you are

3:49 PM

btw what platform do you use to talk to them? I can't recognize it

tux-linux

btw what platform do you use to talk to them? I can't recognize it

google chat

4:06 PM

like google hangouts, but for school accounts

tux-linux

Well idk if it is an expression where you are

what do you mean? (edited)

4:06 PM

what expression

also i expect chromium to finish by tomorrow morning :/

haha you can never be sure

4:26 PM

"you lost me"

4:27 PM

but well... https://download-chromium.appspot.com/

Download Chromium

The easiest way to download Chromium

4:27 PM

that, though, are unstable versions, daily snapshots

4:27 PM

so it's better to wait for the compilation to finish

yeah

wheeeee initrd works, and it works very well

5:45 PM

like, i successfully created a script that "boots" openrc from a chroot in the initrd

5:45 PM

and it works flawlessly

5:46 PM

now, we only have to set up a listener to power button events and we'll be able to set the boot partition according to it

yay

5:50 PM

can you give me a disk image? i'd like to try it

well

5:50 PM

you won't see anything different without a serial port (edited)

5:50 PM

for now it just boots as usual

5:51 PM

because I didn't create a recovery partition yet

5:51 PM

right now I'm testing if update is still working correctly

oh i see

compiling seems to have slowed down

10:42 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's life

ye

10:49 PM

19614/23398

10:50 PM

It's going to be a long time, maybe even until Tuesday

possible

Especially since it slowed down

19679 now

...slow

12:59 AM

oh well

ahhhhhhh

1:18 AM

it crashed

1:19 AM

@tux-linux aaaaahh

1:19 AM

well

1:19 AM

its frozen

1:19 AM

but still

1:19 AM

aaaaaah

theres no blinking cursor?

no?

1:20 AM

im on a console

1:20 AM

not a gui

a blinking cursor

1:20 AM

_

no no

1:21 AM

there isnt

nothing moves?

nothing moves

1:21 AM

it was stuck, so i used top, and then closed it

you can't type anything in

ye i cant

it's top

1:21 AM

the cpu was already at its highest usage but top hit the limit

oh no

1:22 AM

so how do i fix it

well; you reboot and you retry

...ok i wont do chromium

1:22 AM

im doing falkon

maybe it will restart where it left

1:22 AM

maybe not

and download chromium

1:22 AM

ok

1:22 AM

gotta go as well

1:22 AM

bye

...23880 steps to go

2:32 AM

:/

tux-linux

maybe it will restart where it left

nope

2:36 AM

had to force a reboot

Yeah, if you try again to emerge it, does it start where it left?

that's awesome

7:14 AM

a list of recent books

7:14 AM

but you can also choose to display the quote if you want too

cool!

tux-linux

Yeah, if you try again to emerge it, does it start where it left?

btw qtwebengine hates me and doesnt want to merge

3:15 PM

so falkon died

3:15 PM

i'll try to emerge chromium again

dill

i'll try to emerge chromium again

nope :/

5:19 PM

emerging firefox

that will cost you a lot of time too

5:20 PM

but well it works at the end (at least for me)

hm

5:23 PM

well its the only way i guess

i'll roll out a new update for inkbox soon would you like to try it?

yes!

nice; I'll upload it soon

ok

here's the changelog

- Added new "Recent books" feature
- Added ability to show InkBox version in About dialogs
- Added ability to show changelogs after updates

1

5:52 PM

I think I'll also make "addons" packages to use with nickel today

yea

5:53 PM

.adds, right?

yes

5:56 PM

you'll be able to use it on your aura if you like it as well

1

5:59 PM

I'm uploading it right now; do you think I should delete the previous 0.1 update since... well there's no real point in keeping it there?

1

people might want to downgrade as well

6:02 PM

for the same reasons that some people downgrade firmware on nickel

yeah... maybe

6:05 PM

but there's limited space on the server

oh yeah

6:06 PM

hmmm

6:06 PM

maybe instead of direct links, you could link to a google drive file

why?

6:07 PM

fermino was kind enough to donate some of his server space; why not use it?

because drive links wouldnt take space :p

6:07 PM

yeah maybe the latest update could be a direct download

hmm yeah... but it's harder to manage

true

with that i can just connect with ftp and put the files

i'd be happy to upload the files if you want (edited)

btw it's there

ok

https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/update/0.1.1/

wait i'm gonna grab my mini

dill

i'd be happy to upload the files if you want (edited)

... but I'd have to upload them to you first ;p

tux-linux

... but I'd have to upload them to you first ;p

...true

i'll update the source code too

nice

6:13 PM

after that it's the usual settings->update thing

ok have to go

6:13 PM

ok

6:13 PM

bye

ok bye

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4102452&postcount=3 I wrote a note there, even if apparently there's not much people interested in InkBox. Maybe they will when the .adds packages will come out...

MobileRead Forums - View Single Post - InkBox: a new open-source O...

MobileRead - the resource for mobile geeks seeking information and advice for keeping their gadgets happy.

Link for the update changed, it's now at http://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/update/0.1.1/

9:08 PM

I'm making room for the new .adds packages

yeah that doesn't work

ye

the main download thing is there

12:57 AM

https://kobox.fermino.me/download.html

i'll be rolling a silent emergency 0.1.1 update very soon, so if you want to wait till it is there you can

12:58 AM

it fixes some python problem with the random module

oh

12:58 AM

theres python?

yes

i had no idea :/

yeah, the random module didn't exist, and we could have had issues with it if I didn't knew

oh

Ok, so it's there: http://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/update/0.1.1/update-0.1.1.tar.xz

... and the .adds packages are out! https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/nickel/base/inkbox-base-0.1.1.tar.xz

3:32 AM

btw thanks @fermino for kindly accepting to host inkbox and kobox on your server

:D

...discord on a virtual machine at school is absolute pain

It works?

ye but its a real pain to do

8:02 PM

and the vm is in a browser so limited time

8:02 PM

plus, whenever i log in i have to verify with email and everything

8:03 PM

and if i log in too many times, it thinks im a bot

8:03 PM

also class is about to start

8:03 PM

:/

8:03 PM

bye

Have you considered remote desktop?

8:04 PM

A variant of https://pgaskin.net/posts/docker-x11-gui-novnc/?

8:07 PM

And if you don't want to pay or host it yourself, note that Oracle gives 2 free 50GB 1GB 2-eighth-core-cpu 580Mbps (but it ends up being ~60 symmetric for some reason) 1-ipv4 kvm VPSs (edited)

Port forward your IP and vnc to your computer

Or search for a free web proxy website, they are everywhere

tux-linux

Port forward your IP and vnc to your computer

e.g. I can successfully SSH the gitea server from anywhere in the world

actually

11:07 PM

my options are somewhat limited

11:07 PM

because the chromebook belongs to the school :/

well you can vnc on your chromebook, no?

no

also if you press ctrl+alt+t on the chromebook and type "shell", is it showing ... something?

i know about crosh

well, there's probably an extension for vnc

11:09 PM

yeah, does shell access work, or is it blocked?

ye but 99.99% sure its blocked by my admin

11:09 PM

only crosh works

try it still (edited)

not terminal

oh

because vmshell isnt allowed

oh

i'm gonna switch to windows pc brb

oh but you actually have a ssh client on the chromebook in crosh

no

try to type "ssh"

11:10 PM

no?

it was removed

11:10 PM

ive tried everything :/

what sysadmins would think a random student would like to access ssh

and the extension is... blocked ofc

11:10 PM

i know right

11:10 PM

haha

how long would emerge spectacle take

12:03 AM

for screenshotting

I'd say 20-30min?

to compile?

you already have all qt installed and running

ye

basically it's just another qt app

oh

like, inkbox doesn't take much time to compile

12:04 AM

and spectacle, afaik, is a pretty simple program

i have made it to the promised land, im on kde on gentoo :D

yep, like it?

yes!!

12:04 AM

i missed my old windows cursor so i installed one

oh yea, plasma's cursor is nice, but when you become accustomed to it

ye

and its shapes are ... strange

gotta go

12:05 AM

bye

installing neofetch

2:48 AM

wait what

2:48 AM

arrrgh

2:48 AM

i appear to be on GMT

ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Edmonton /etc/localtime

2:49 AM

change Edmonton with the correct town if it's not there

3:18 AM

1

3:18 AM

:DDD

I suggest you change your terminal font to Consolas 10.5 or Noto Sans Mono 10

3:20 AM

but... are you logged in as root ???

ye

don't

3:21 AM

you can startx a normal user

ok i'll switch brb

never do that; especially when browsing the web

oh

again, the first answer from there: https://serverfault.com/questions/57962/whats-wrong-with-always-being-root should explain things

What's wrong with always being root?

I have a feeling this is a stupid question, but this is something I've wondered for awhile. I have a VPS and this is my first big linux venture. I am the only person who has access to it. My quest...

>:C it wont let me startx as dill

3:23 AM

connection refused

3:23 AM

server error

are you in a tty?

yeah

3:24 AM

what else

sudo killall X

3:24 AM

and retry

wait i'll just use sddm

3:24 AM

right

3:24 AM

ok logging out

3:29 AM

i cant install any themes, from either root or dill

3:29 AM

also im on dill right now

details?

oops

3:30 AM

here

3:30 AM

look it up on google

(just example)

3:30 AM

ok

maybe you'll find something

ok

3:33 AM

btw how would i re-access the other distros

check the grub config and create new entries for the other partitions

ok

3:34 AM

/boot/grub/grub.cfg?

yeah

exiting kde

set root='(hd1,1)' but change hd1,1 for the appropriate hd/part

3:35 AM

c.f. https://askubuntu.com/questions/54439/how-do-i-add-another-distribution-to-grub2

How do I add another distribution to grub2?

I've installed Gentoo in one of my hard disks. The whole hard disk is for that distro. I want a dual-boot in grub to start Ubuntu or Gentoo. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id

???

3:46 AM

vmlinuz-5.4.97 not found

3:48 AM

@tux-linux?

3:49 AM

oh-

tux-linux

set root='(hd1,1)' but change hd1,1 for the appropriate hd/part

that would be /dev/sda1, correct?

no

3:54 AM

idk what

ok

3:55 AM

but

https://superuser.com/questions/182161/grub-how-find-partition-number-hd0-x

GRUB: how find partition number (hd0,x)?

i am playing with grub and i change the root using: root (hda,x) how can i know what's x for /dev/sda7 ? fdisk -l Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * ...

vmlinuz wasnt found :/

I don't know either

ok ill ask on server

yayay

2:18 PM

used os-prober and it worked :D

2:23 PM

on arch now

nice

1

debian seems to have disappeared so i'll reinstall that too

9:03 PM

and is there any way to get rid of the "on /dev/sdaX" on grub

9:03 PM

just "Gentoo GNU/Linux", "Arch Linux", etc

idk

12:01 AM

you should keep them tho, they're useful

@dill the diags partition is on its way! (edited)

yay!

yeah, it even works I need do to a lot of testing before sending it out though

3:44 AM

also, I have to make new boot animations

woot

and restore animations

just use the same as updating

well, maybe

3:44 AM

but ... I'll see

3:45 AM

and it's simple; you just press the power button in the first three seconds the light has turned green and you'll get in

3:45 AM

it's really awesome

:D

wow!!

1

yea, and my class is quarantined due to covid *nice* (sarcasm)

9:18 PM

but ... it means I'll have more time to do programming and Linux things

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

great!

tux-linux

yea, and my class is quarantined due to covid *nice* (sarcasm)

sad :c

11:07 PM

you ok?

yeah, at least for now haha

1

reinstalling debian

12:04 AM

i thought it was over

12:04 AM

haha

why?

it doesnt show up on grub

only that?

12:04 AM

retry with os-prober (edited)

thats what i was about to say... it doesnt work

12:04 AM

did it 3 times

reinstalling now

1

12:12 AM

bye

It's coming...

wooo

1

3:46 AM

btw finished debian (did kde)

ok

so just reinstalling grub for the aurora background

1

WHAT

3:58 AM

kde isnt there!

3:58 AM

"xfce"

you chose the wrong one

agh

4:02 AM

it looks like windows 2000

there are themes for it tho

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4:03 AM

any way to get kde

reinstall

ok :/

or install the big kde package

4:03 AM

but I'd reinstall

i see xfce in the name of the iso

well you downloaded the wrong iso

argh i screwed it up

4:05 AM

netinst?

if you want

what even is that

cli based install

what is "torrent"?!

look it up

bittorrent gave me an exe

transmission-gtk

transmission-gtk does what?

4:10 AM

oh ok

4:10 AM

torrent files

4:13 AM

pacman -S transmission-gtk first?

Yes

1

dd is gonna take a long time

Why?

4:24 AM

If you're using netinstall, no

no not netinstall

4:25 AM

full kde thing

oh

2 mbps

finished kde reinstall

quick update on inkbox status: things are progressing, I've had a lot of problems with usb storage lately, but now it's (hopefully) all solved. Restore mechanism is fully working. Next step: continue with the diags partition, add some new options, then lock down the main rootfs so it can't be accessed by anyone unless he goes enabling access in diags. also, root login will be disabled and ssh too in the default image, to prevent hacking and bla bla tho, you'll always be able to re-activate that by going into diags, but by doing a full factory reset (safety mesure) (edited)

tux-linux

quick update on inkbox status: things are progressing, I've had a lot of problems with usb storage lately, but now it's (hopefully) all solved. Restore mechanism is fully working. Next step: continue with the diags partition, add some new options, then lock down the main rootfs so it can't be accessed by anyone unless he goes enabling access in diags. also, root login will be disabled and ssh too in the default image, to prevent hacking and bla bla tho, you'll always be able to re-activate that by going into diags, but by doing a full factory reset (safety mesure) (edited)

cooool

yeah, I'm thrilled by the 'lockdown' thing

3:33 AM

is that what you call the inverse of a 'jailbreak'?

no idea

i couldn't find anything else... but it seems pretty logical

probably

still, I don't understand why no one left a comment on MR about it

3:34 AM

I mean... it's something

yeah but the dev corner hasnt been very active lately either

yeah true

maybe 1 post a day, for sd card images

yeah haha, I'm a little bit tired of those

ye

you go check the user accounts, 90% of the people that came never came back after

3:35 AM

"posts : 1"

yeah

3:36 AM

noticed that definitely

do you use inkbox sometimes since you installed it on your kobo (not to judge you, but just to see how crap it is and how much I have to do before it'd be like usable)

yeah actually

nice

3:38 AM

use, like read or just explore?

tux-linux

do you use inkbox sometimes since you installed it on your kobo (not to judge you, but just to see how crap it is and how much I have to do before it'd be like usable)

for it to be usable, i'd say a library page instead of a reader button

tux-linux

use, like read or just explore?

both

dill

for it to be usable, i'd say a library page instead of a reader button

huh? what? isn't that what I already did with recent books?

dill

for it to be usable, i'd say a library page instead of a reader button

and maybe a nickel-like layout

3:38 AM

yeah like that

but then... oh you mean completely deleting the opendialog from the thing?

3:39 AM

that'd be great

3:39 AM

but difficult

what i mean is, a library page like my books in nickel

that's going to take a few... weeks... of ... pain

3:40 AM

but... it'll be beautiful once it is done

yeah but no matter how clueless i am about qt, i'll help

3:40 AM

:p

well; what do you prefer UI-wise between Nickel, KoReader and Plato? (UI, like general design) I'd say Plato has the best UI I have ever seen on an eReader but I think InkBox isn't that bad

yeah plato is really good

3:41 AM

i agree, inkbox isnt that bad (edited)

what should I improve?

hmmm tough

(apart from Night Mode, which I'm trying to find an easy way to do)

i'd say a different ui font, and layout difference

different UI font?

yeah

I chose Inter, because it was modern

3:42 AM

and beautiful

3:42 AM

...no?

yea its good

3:42 AM

wait let me grab my mini

ok

hmm maybe put the date next to the time (edited)

Well, ok. But what should go at the empty place?

-inkbox-

3:44 AM

or -welcome to inkbox-

not with the dashes tho

3:44 AM

if it's at the left, it won't make sense

3:44 AM

but yea, maybe

hmm ye it wont make sense

you mean a layout like in the reader widget, when you open the Options menu?

also, i opened credits twice, and its showing up twice on home

possible

3:46 AM

did you enter an usbms session before? or did you force-shutdown inkbox? (edited)

usbms i believe

yeah... maybe

3:46 AM

but should not do that

idk

3:46 AM

wait it says "books" not "recently read books"

There's the code snippet that does that job

2.17 KB

dill

wait it says "books" not "recently read books"

Yeah, well I thought I'd put that. Should I change it with "Recently read books?"

tux-linux

Yeah, well I thought I'd put that. Should I change it with "Recently read books?"

nah this is better

ok nice

3:48 AM

did you update to latest 0.1.1?

ye

well, here latest is more of 0.1.2, with all of the drastical changes that I made to the rootfs and sd

i think

3:49 AM

nice (edited)

you can go in "Settings", then "About", and you should see the version

3:49 AM

that's a thing I added in 0.1.1

0.1.1-alpha

yeah

so ye

a new sd image will be mandatory for 0.1.2 like I added two partitions and an initrd

3:50 AM

it's a tri-boot system

was just about to ask that hahahaa

3:50 AM

initrd? must have been tough

Boot sequence basically U-Boot -> Kernel -> initrd -> rootfs or recoveryfs

3:51 AM

yes, it was ... not that easy

then again, inkbox isnt easy either

no, neither

also can you run inkbox on a computer? if it runs on alpine

yes

really?!

but... well in an app

3:51 AM

in X

still cool

and the functionnality is pretty limited since your typical Linux PC doesn't have a rootfs like Kobo's one

hm yeah that's true

actually, to go in Inkbox, there's some more steps. Since Alpine is musl, Qt needed glibc so I needed to push it another step further. I built a rootfs with buildroot and unpacked it in a folder. so the normal inkbox boot sequence is U-Boot -> Kernel -> Initrd -> Chroot to Alpine -> Chroot to Glibc rootfs -> InkBox

oh!!

3:54 AM

why chroot?

well... I can't boot three rootfs at once

3:55 AM

but the chroots still have access to /dev /sys and etc. so it's pretty much like normal

oh

so even the Alpine system is running in a chroot but you can't see it it's in a jail

3:56 AM

the real "root" is the initrd

oh

wait I'll show you the rcS for the initrd

3:56 AM

it runs a static busybox and is 3mb in size (compressed)

3:57 AM

2.63 KB

3:57 AM

there you go

3:58 AM

there's a new "boot" partition, containing the relevant "flags" and based on if the flags's content, the boot can change

3:58 AM

e.g. 0.1.2 introduces unattended kernel updates, so the KERNEL_FLASH is set in order to flash the kernel, then reboot (edited)

chroot /alpine /sbin/openrc "sysinit"
                        chroot /mnt /opt/bin/diagnostics_splash
                        sleep 2
                        chroot /mnt /opt/recovery/launch.sh &
                fi

RECOVERY?

yes

oops caps lock

3:58 AM

:/

3:59 AM

if [ "$INPUT_LOG" == "" ]; then
                        mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt
                        mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/boot
                        mount --move /proc /mnt/proc
                        mount --move /sys /mnt/sys
                        mount -t devtmpfs devtmpfs /mnt/dev
                        mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/tmp
                        chroot /mnt /sbin/openrc "sysinit"
                        chroot /mnt /sbin/openrc "boot"
                        chroot /mnt /sbin/openrc "default"

this is the startup

3:59 AM

right

yes, it starts by detecting if you pressed the power button in the first three seconds of boot

3:59 AM

then if you pressed nothing, it boots in normal inkbox

4:00 AM

if you pressed something, recoveryfs

4:00 AM

works everytime (or almost)

nice

also, it shows a nicer logo at bootup due to ... previous framebuffer shenanigans

1

4:02 AM

also, in the recovery options, you can choose the onboard storage size

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Now it shows where I programmed it to show; before it was... strange and ugly

tux-linux

also, in the recovery options, you can choose the onboard storage size

NICE!

for now it goes only up to 1024M

4:05 AM

but it'll grow in the future

4:05 AM

options: 64, 256, 512, 1024

4:05 AM

64 was just for quick recovery/restore testing though; it's so small you can't even apply an upstream update

tux-linux

64 was just for quick recovery/restore testing though; it's so small you can't even apply an upstream update

64M is tiny

yeah, I set that there only because I wanted to go fast and not wear too much the SD

1024 is a good size tho (edited)

and "it just works"

designing a new UI on google drawings and seeing which one i like

what is that?

i basically ripped off nickel so then i started over

oh

tux-linux

what is that?

basically a drawing app

ok; yeah, early InkBox was done entirely in C with FBInk

4:08 AM

not much at all but yeah

nice maybe put the hour to the right and inkbox to the left

1

tux-linux

ok; yeah, early InkBox was done entirely in C with FBInk

It was so discouraging I stopped coding it after the splash screen

4:09 AM

the only surviving thing is that splash screen you see every time it powers up

tux-linux

It was so discouraging I stopped coding it after the splash screen

that would be extremely painful

4:09 AM

C is hard (for me)

in C... yeah I still had to handle touch input I said to myself: "No."

touch input, in my mind, is insanely hard

so I put it on hold for a few weeks, experimented with NickelBoot (which I should really start sometime soon) and came back with kobox and blabla

dill

touch input, in my mind, is insanely hard

your mind is right

haha

4:11 AM

yikes!!!

tux-linux

so I put it on hold for a few weeks, experimented with NickelBoot (which I should really start sometime soon) and came back with kobox and blabla

i think maybe put inkbox into a "usable" state, then start with NB

yeah; I had to be creative to design that for kobox

dill

i think maybe put inkbox into a "usable" state, then start with NB

YEAH

4:12 AM

like the "quadruple-booting Kobo" showcased on hackaday

hahahaha yes

also, nickelboot was C and FBInk too; that's why I relied only on the power button for input I'd have died if I tried with the touchscreen

4:12 AM

but Qt will ease things a lot

yea

4:13 AM

maybe boot different inkbox versions? just an idea

yea, like you have the menu

Nickel
InkBox
InkBox Diags

Reboot
Poweroff

dill

maybe boot different inkbox versions? just an idea

why would you do that now?

4:14 AM

I mean, new versions are only getting better from the point we're in now

4:14 AM

maybe when it'll become beta

4:15 AM

also, I'm thinking to add an emergency recovery shell via usbnet in diags like barebones busybox telnetd -F

tux-linux

yea, like you have the menu

Nickel
InkBox
InkBox Diags

Reboot
Poweroff

nickelgrub

HAHAHAHAHA

4:16 AM

Actually, I think NickelBoot is just fine

4:16 AM

like it fits well with "Nickel DBus", "NickelMenu", etc.

4:16 AM

I really got to start working on it

yeah but i nicknamed it "nickelgrub"

yeah, it sounds nice too

tux-linux

also, I'm thinking to add an emergency recovery shell via usbnet in diags like barebones busybox telnetd -F

oh ye

4:18 AM

have to go

4:18 AM

bye

ok bye

help

2:39 PM

my touchpad isn't working (edited)

2:39 PM

on arch

2:39 PM

let me try gentoo/debian/deepin

on gentoo

2:46 PM

working

fiddle with xinput

2:56 PM

Or sometimes it's the kernel

New font

1

for code?

8:04 PM

@tux-linux

8:05 PM

also when is 0.1.2 officially released

sometime soon... maybe sunday

8:33 PM

I need to set up the security policy and encrypt update archives so it's difficult to access the rootfs from outside of the reader (except if you remove the sd)

tux-linux

I need to set up the security policy and encrypt update archives so it's difficult to access the rootfs from outside of the reader (except if you remove the sd)

and again, the computer you put the SD on has to be able to read ext2/3/4 fs

tux-linux

and again, the computer you put the SD on has to be able to read ext2/3/4 fs

no problem

2:51 AM

linux

yeah, you're good

2:52 AM

I set up a new boot process that checks if the user violated the security policy by rooting the device before a factory reset via diags

2:53 AM

i'm currently testing it

nice!

i can show you the rcS if you want

yes please (edited)

also, there's unpartitioned space on sector 79872 that sets the "rooted" value so it's even more difficult to work around the boot process

2:55 AM

There's the first kernel rcS

2.41 KB

2:55 AM

(the one that is there when the kobo is rooted)

2:55 AM

https://manjaro.org/download/

3.4 KB

2:55 AM

and there's the standard kernel one

2:56 AM

the kobo can be rooted by going into diags->reset options->reset and allow root

2:57 AM

that process flashes some things to the unpartitioned space, and it allows usbnet and ssh, also passwd for root leads to /bin/sh instead of /sbin/nologin when the kobo is not rooted

so basically, if the new rooted kernel detects that the "rooted" flag was not changed in the unpartitionned space, it reflashes the standard one and thus all starts over again for the user

oh

that was the headache of the day

Now I have to set up the encrypted update thing

good luck

yeah, I think it's going to be 0.2-beta after all

3:30 AM

or 0.2-alpha

3:30 AM

but there's a big jump from 0.1.1 there

yeah that would make sense for it to be beta

3:30 AM

but wait

3:30 AM

i'll give you some ui ideas sometime today

ok

so it can be a "major" update

yeah, from the end user PoV (edited)

1

3:31 AM

me it's a major update since I put an initrd in there haha

haa true for devs

but there will still be a new font and some settings improvements

3:32 AM

e.g., there will be reset config in diags but the option will also be there in the stock options

ye

also, did I said it to you that now in diags you'll be able to update the software? like it's useful when the package ends up corrupted or something like that

oh cool!!

1

also I was thinking of making an oobe setup for 0.2 or 0.2.1

3:38 AM

but what could I put in there?

3:38 AM

haha

hmmm

3:38 AM

basic config options

3:38 AM

rooting

well... not rooting

3:38 AM

but config... maybe

ye

ooh

3:38 AM

UI scaling factor

3:39 AM

and also default font size

3:39 AM

alignment, etc

3:39 AM

what do you think?

yes

btw how can i change desktop background

4:16 AM

debian, with kde

4:16 AM

@tux-linux

right click on desktop

thx

4:18 AM

:D

1

4:19 AM

wow kde is so flexible

of course

dpkg right

well yes, but there's apt

oh there is

4:25 AM

wait how do i add myself to sudoers

google it up

4:31 AM

does apper installer usually take this long to load? it's been 3 minutes

4:32 AM

i'm opening a deb

4:34 AM

ok its not opening

4:36 AM

@tux-linux for a tar.gz i do this, correct?

Pretty much, yeap

k thanks! :D

That will extract it, prepare it, compile it and install it

4:38 AM

But for every source there are probably instructions in the README file

so i use nano to view the README, or cat?

Yeap

4:38 AM

Or cat

dill

i'm opening a deb

to extract a deb, you need ar -x

4:38 AM

tar will not work

Oh didn't see it

no, for tar.gz

oh

4:39 AM

tar -xzf or tar -xzvf if you want to see the files extracted

used -zxf

but do you have build-essential installed?

there's no readme apparently

without a compiler you won't be able to do much

oh

4:39 AM

ok wait let me apt it

what is the program you're trying to compile?

discord

huh?

discord

it's already compiled as a binary

it gave me a tar.gz tho

you don't need to do anything but cd discord-folder && ./discord

ok!

well a tar.gz is like a zip

4:40 AM

a compressed archive

ye i know

it doesn't mean that it necessary contains source code

./discord?

yes

4:41 AM

the ./ says to the shell "hey, I want to execute that file"

4:41 AM

the . means current directory

im in /home/dill/Downloads/Discord and it says no such file or directory

ls?

chrome_100_percent.pak  discord.png   libvk_swiftshader.so  resources.pak
chrome_200_percent.pak  icudtl.dat    libvulkan.so          snapshot_blob.bin
chrome-sandbox          libEGL.so     locales               swiftshader
Discord                 libffmpeg.so  postinst.sh           v8_context_snapshot.bin
discord.desktop         libGLESv2.so  resources

./Discord then

./Discord?

4:42 AM

ok

but strange

4:43 AM

it's not an usual practice to name files in capitals in Linux

idk

people more tend to use camel-case naming convention or snake case

not familiar with snake, but camelCase yeah

4:44 AM

dill@debianlinux:~/Downloads/Discord$ ./Discord
[2777:0319/214258.167987:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(158)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /home/dill/Downloads/Discord/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
Trace/breakpoint trap

snake_case

oh

ok . . . chmod 4755 /home/dill/Downloads/Discord/chrome-sandbox

4:44 AM

with sudo

dill@debianlinux:~/Downloads/Discord$ sudo chmod 4755 /home/dill/Downloads/Discord/chrome-sandbox
dill@debianlinux:~/Downloads/Discord$ ./Discord
[2796:0319/214514.161403:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(158)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /home/dill/Downloads/Discord/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
Trace/breakpoint trap

sudo chown root:root chrome-sandbox

same thing

idk

4:48 AM

try running with --no-sandbox

4:48 AM

but this can cause security issues

wait

4:48 AM

it worked when i chmoded again

oh

4:49 AM

nice

1

thx, got on app

4:50 AM

how did you learn all this linux stuff?

years

4:50 AM

7 years

since you were 8 and threw away your windows laptop... :p

yeah

wait if i'm in an ubuntu liveusb environment

4:53 AM

will it save any changes

what do you think

e.g. logging into discord, installing chromium, etc

4:54 AM

no

exactly

4:54 AM

but you can customize it before you pack the iso

in an archive manager?

no

4:54 AM

complicated mksquashfs rootfs and iso stuff

oh

google archiso up

1

but it can technically be "ubuntuiso"?

yes, but it's built differently

oh, it's built for arch

4:56 AM

smacks forehead

you can check that out though https://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/fsprotect

have to go

1

5:01 AM

bye

arch touchpad decided to cooperate

4:17 PM

haha

4:20 PM

@tux-linux the mirror seems to be down for ubuntu iso (edited)

4:20 PM

k doing the torrent thing

ok, that's great I'd just like it if you stopped pinging me all the time; I can see your messages; though, I'm not always online. When I am, I check them. thanks

ah... sorry!

4:52 PM

i understand not always being online

it's ok

5:01 PM

do you think I should change the default dpi?

what do you mean by dpi

ui scale

hmmm

5:02 PM

i think make the text smaller and remove the bold if you want and if that's what you mean

5:03 PM

it's at 192 by default; there's a picture when I set it to 182 you can compare with your Kobo

no i think 192 is better

I think I'll replace the big pushbuttons with icons

yeah

at start it didn't work because scaling was kind of horrible

and maybe a nickel-like layout, with "settings", "apps", "reader", etc., but on the right

Right?

i.e. not on the bottom

5:05 PM

but a sidebar

maybe

and the empty space... recently read books, and unread books

5:05 PM

on the homescreen

dill

and the empty space... recently read books, and unread books

that's for another update

ok

5:05 PM

have to go, i have a class

saturday? well ok, goodbye

yeah its not regular school

5:06 PM

bye

ok bye

there they are

6:28 PM

do they look ugly, or are they fine?

AWESOME

7:46 PM

also i seem only to be able to run discord by going cd Downloads/Discord && ./discord from konsole

yes it's normal

7:51 PM

you can add a menu entry though

1

ok

7:51 PM

thx

1

7:52 PM

the new inkbox ui looks much more streamlined

only because of the icons?

yeah i feel like the icons make it look good

yeah, maybe

not that the other one was bad, this is just better

yeah

7:54 PM

look at what changed in the right corner

BATTERY

yes

cool!

1

that's when a cable is plugged in

1

7:57 PM

it can't update the icon right when the cable is plugged in, but if you show/hide the menu it will change

great

I'm wondering if I should put it on the main menu too

8:00 PM

but I don't know where

on the top, to replace InkBox

8:01 PM

(you mean the home screen, right?)

it'd look ... strange

hmm true

maybe replace the date?

8:01 PM

is the date something useful?

hmm yeah

dill

hmm yeah

useful or replace the date

wait no actually only the time is useful

8:02 PM

replace the date

ok

8:02 PM

or maybe

8:02 PM

put the date and batt level

but there's too little space

8:03 PM

unless we remove the day and year

yeah, on the mini it's tiny

ye

but if I reduce the dpi a little

8:03 PM

wait I'll test it

ok

i was on my aura and libra; development is easier because I don't need to update the isas each time

oh

8:05 PM

but be careful not to brick them; they have emmc

yeah sure

that's why i got my mini

it's the normal .adds addon

oh

8:05 PM

i wanted a glo hd at first but it was sold

like some features are disabled but for battery things it was ok

8:05 PM

yeah glo hds are great

8:06 PM

when they're not broken ofc

yeah like initrd wouldnt make sense with .adds

8:06 PM

true

no

it would make zero sense to be honest

the kobo would already be dead

8:07 PM

i'd likely have failed in my first attempt to build a working kernel

exactly

8:07 PM

unless we have a serial connection

like, if the mini didn't have mmc it'd have been dead since 1 month ago

btw i can set one up now

yeah, and even that

8:07 PM

really

ye i just realized i have an arduino and i can do it with that

i don't know much about these but you can try if you want

ye ok

8:08 PM

theyre basically raspberry pi's but with less features

but it's a microcontroller right?

ye

it can't run normal linux like the rpi

8:09 PM

the rpi is like a Kobo on steroids

8:09 PM

a cpu 10 times more powerful

oh

8:09 PM

oh cool

8:09 PM

that would be good for a kobo, better cpu

8:10 PM

we need more ram too :/

yes

8:10 PM

ofc

8:10 PM

1024mb would already be a great upgrade

yeah

Here's what it looks like on the Mini

8:13 PM

i agree; i have to remove the date

yeah

8:16 PM

heres what i have, not great but oh well

8:16 PM

ignore the cursor sorry

i like the recent books thingy at the top

1

brb

but the sidebar is probably not going to be doable

8:17 PM

because the icons would look pretty strange vertically, stretched up

8:17 PM

but maybe

yea true

but I could try something

8:18 PM

I'll see

1

8:18 PM

but for 0.2 the layout will stay the same, and then I'll look if I can make some changes

8:19 PM

maybe for 0.2.1

8:19 PM

i think you should wait before releasing 0.2, might want a few other formats supported

8:19 PM

your choice tho

f o r m a t s

8:20 PM

are you crazy

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it took already like 1 week to develop the txt parser

oh sh-

8:20 PM

nvm then

sure, I'll do epub sometime soon but for 0.2 it's going to stay like that

1

tux-linux

sure, I'll do epub sometime soon but for 0.2 it's going to stay like that

epub is probably gonna take like a month

yikes

8:21 PM

forget i said that then

ok np

switching from debian to deepin be right back

ok

back

my mobileread got banned for the homepage thing; please dont mention that

ok

so sorry if i cant reply

8:57 PM

:(

you mean, your account got banned?

yes

you could ask to get back

i did; no reply yet

it's not the end of the world

8:57 PM

rickroll

well i mean it hurts but i understand why they did it

tux-linux

rickroll

ye but it's technically trolling

you could say that you'll remove the link

i did

do you know who did ban you?

no

well, if you apologized and said that you'll not do it again they might get you back in

yeah i did

they know that you're a good user; you had 2296 posts

i did?!

have

9:03 PM

well i mean

well ye but what really

when you were not banned

yeah i know

2296

that's...a lot

9:04 PM

maybe theres hope then

oh

i only have like 350 haha

haha but most of mine were in the lounge

9:04 PM

which is pretty active

9:06 PM

wait for some reason on deepin, i'm getting something similar to partial ghosting on e-ink on chromium

huh?

my reaction exactly

9:14 PM

"what? i'm on lcd but this looks like ghosting"

do you have a pic?

graphics driver issue

9:15 PM

you should really use another os if it doesn't work

wait let me switch to arch then

or maybe fiddle with drivers but I can't really help you with that

9:16 PM

the bottom as well... is that normal or not

What bottom

nevermind it's probably normal

9:17 PM

k switching

9:19 PM

done

9:20 PM

is there a way to uninstall gnome and install kde on arch? pacman -R gnome and pacman -S kde-plasma or something around those lines (edited)

Yes

9:23 PM

But you can install the two

oh wait really

9:23 PM

on different ttys?

Or you can reinstall Arch

i mean after gentoo, sure

You can choose which one you want with sddm

9:24 PM

But things are probably going to conflict

i like plasma better than gnome

9:24 PM

so i'll uninstall gnome and get plasma

9:24 PM

but for that i'll need sddm right

9:25 PM

or lightdm

Yes

9:25 PM

systemctl start sddm

is that similar to rc-update add sddm default or am i just dumb

Or systemctl enable sddm If you want to start it at boot

9:25 PM

Yes

ye enable looks like the way to go

9:26 PM

the package name is kde-plasma correct

No it's just plasma

thx, and also will i lose apps

9:26 PM

like chromium, discord

No

ok thx

9:27 PM

doing it now

9:27 PM

bye

... :/

9:45 PM

apparently the mirrors are down or something

9:45 PM

all of them

9:45 PM

i had to reinstall gnome, which for some reason worked

9:45 PM

i also had to do pacman -R -s -c gnome

Impossible

9:46 PM

It must be a connection issue

dill

i had to reinstall gnome, which for some reason worked

It used the local cache

oh i see

tux-linux

It must be a connection issue

i'm on ethernet

9:59 PM

i'll try again

tux-linux

It used the local cache

lucky i didnt reboot

maybe it did something with network manager that the pc didn't like

ye

dill

lucky i didnt reboot

it would've stayed there

9:59 PM

/var/cache/pacman or something like that (edited)

oh wait i thought it was in ram but yeah im dumb

you should install dhcpcd before and if it doesn't work with the network, run it

can i first install kde then remove gnome?

10:00 PM

ok

as you want

i use dhcp though

dhcpCD ?

nvm

10:00 PM

no

or dhclient

i'll try now

10:01 PM

i think dhclient

it's as good

this is impossible

what?

ping works for google.com

10:03 PM

but its saying all the mirrors gave a 404

pacman -Sy

and something about rsync and libcurl

and it's urgent

ok and also i'll go -Syy (edited)

no

10:03 PM

pacman -Syu

ye typo

warning your system might break

10:04 PM

but that's to be expected with arch distros

10:04 PM

also you should reboot after the syu

10:04 PM

just to see if the install hasn't burned up

ok

10:07 PM

even if it does, a reinstall is ez

yes

would it be possible to have a cron daemon do syu or would that break the system

yes, ofc

10:08 PM

yes to both questions

oh ok

10:08 PM

ok rebooting

you never know what's going to happen with the new upgrade

10:08 PM

but you can if you want

nah i can do it

10:12 PM

ok for my last breaking-the-system-stupid-question, do i have to do pacman -R -s -c gnome

idk

10:12 PM

what does the -s and -c options mean?

because with plain -R, it complained about dependencies

10:13 PM

they remove packages that depend on it, and remove what the package depends on

10:13 PM

afaik

dill

because with plain -R, it complained about dependencies

that means if you force the uninstall your system will likely break at some point

oh

so you either should install plasma alongside

10:13 PM

or reinstall arch

alongside i think

pacman -S plasma will do

k

10:15 PM

now it works

10:15 PM

thx

1

10:17 PM

then systemctl enable sddm then systemctl start sddm

10:17 PM

correct

yes

1

disable gdm.service first?

yes

10:18 PM

but you can stay with gdm too

back

10:55 PM

konsole is never launching

10:55 PM

*gnome-terminal

try launching it in konsole and look at what it spits out

i dont have konsole; pacmanning it

10:56 PM

"pacmanning" should be a verb

10:57 PM

it wont let me switch ttys help

it should

10:57 PM

try again with all f keys

brief login screen then tty1 pulled me back

do you have xterm in there?

no

10:59 PM

just gnome-terminal

10:59 PM

better stock up on some terminals i guess

kdesudo pacman -S xterm

10:59 PM

type some chars in the desktop

11:00 PM

it should launch krunner

11:00 PM

from there you could launch a command

11:00 PM

but wait

11:00 PM

go back in gnome

11:00 PM

there it should work

alt f2 is krunner

11:01 PM

ok gnome

11:05 PM

wow

11:05 PM

i know i shouldnt be surprised

11:05 PM

but the kde cursor is in gnome

11:05 PM

windows 10 cursor

that's where you can see that things have (sometimes badly) mixed up (edited)

ah

11:05 PM

well its better

11:07 PM

switching to plasma

11:08 PM

now it works

konsole ?

ye

nice

If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.

The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
 SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sda)

The following partitions are going to be formatted:
 partition #7 of SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sda) as ESP
 partition #8 of SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sda) as ext4

2:04 AM

what will sda7 be

2:04 AM

what's "esp"

2:04 AM

efi something partition?

EFI system partition

ok

2:16 AM

i'll do manual

just had the insane and dumb idea that i could install more distros on my 64g usb

no

4:49 AM

you'll wear out the flash storage and you'll wear it out extremely quickly, especially if you enable swap

4:49 AM

just don't

exactly

3:11 PM

"insane and dumb"

3:11 PM

also ubuntu is always booting into emergency mode :/

3:11 PM

pretty much useless, i'll delete sda7 and then install manjaro or redhat or something

dill

pretty much useless, i'll delete sda7 and then install manjaro or redhat or something

You mean CentOS?

what?

RedHat is not free

oh-

4:40 PM

i'll get manjaro

KDE?

4:41 PM

Manjaro KDE I mean

yea

dill

also ubuntu is always booting into emergency mode :/

That is a pretty solid indicator that your multidistro setup is not rock solid

tux-linux

That is a pretty solid indicator that your multidistro setup is not rock solid

yep, or maybe its because ubuntu is made for efi

Idk

but every other distro is perfectly working (except arch, which has a weird mix of gnome and kde) (edited)

I don't install distros on hard disks very often, and when I do, I want to go back to my liveusb

tux-linux

I don't install distros on hard disks very often, and when I do, I want to go back to my liveusb

why liveusb?

Custom liveusb Yeah, I like my OS to be as clean as it was designed as every boot up

tux-linux

Custom liveusb Yeah, I like my OS to be as clean as it was designed as every boot up

oh that makes sense

4:46 PM

i don't like "clean" but i like to customize my environment, which makes me hate the windows gui and love kde

1

tux-linux

Manjaro KDE I mean

btw, how do you get kde with manjaro? iirc, manjaro comes with gnome

there are multiple versions

4:52 PM

Manjaro - Downloads

k thx

1

That's the new Firefox proton tabs

ooh, i like it

it's available in nightly

btw, to turn off the red circle on the discord icon, mute the servers that have a white thing on the left

tux-linux

it's available in nightly

cool!

yeah, I'm so used to it that it has become the default favicon haha

haha that used to be the same for me

5:12 PM

wait can i get pacman on other distros? or is that a crazy thought?

you might want to look at Bedrock Linux

5:12 PM

but there's pacman for manjaro

from the name im guessing it's very stable

well, go check it out

1

yeah because manjaro is based on arch

5:13 PM

woah

5:13 PM

i like it

5:14 PM

the idea of mixing distros

5:14 PM

probably not so stable tho

yeah

in fact i think i prefer doing that than installing manjaro; manjaro is basically arch

exactly

5:16 PM

that's what will show up when a user tries to root the reader without a factory reset

great!!!

does it seem serious enough?

yes (edited)

nice

5:17 PM

thx

1

5:17 PM

did you get a reply from MR? (edited)

no

5:17 PM

not yet

5:18 PM

Bedrock allows users to mix and match parts of other distros. The install process is considered such a feature. To "get" the install process from another distro, Bedrock converts an install of another distro into Bedrock in-place.

Thus, first, install some Linux distro. When choosing such a distro:

Consider if it has an install process you like. This is the entire point of Bedrock's ability to use another distro's installer.
Consider compatibility with Bedrock.
Do not consider if you like the distro's files. You can swap out key components with those from other distros from it and remove it later.
While Bedrock's hijack install is only officially tested against fresh installs of other distros, no known issues exist hijacking a long-running install. Just make sure to back up first.

can i just do it with ubuntu?

well yes but canonical doesn't want that

oh

better to do Linux From Scratch

lfs? that'd take a looong time afaik

yes

5:20 PM

but you'll be proud

5:20 PM

even prouder than with gentoo

5:20 PM

and you can customize it the way you want

5:20 PM

you can even install kde on it

cool

5:20 PM

hmmmm maybe

5:21 PM

wait so its basically building your own distro?

yes

"dillux"

5:21 PM

haha

"elektrux"

yeah!

wowow the table of contents looks like this will take months

i did it in one week

i'll have to compile everything, right

yes, like gentoo

tux-linux

i did it in one week

ye but im kind of new (not really but yeah)

tux-linux

yes, like gentoo

:/ then we'd better get started

5:24 PM

let me get the LFS pdf on my kobo

hint: read it before you do it

1

5:25 PM

take one week or two to familiarize with the concepts, google them up, understand what you don't and then you'll be ready (edited)

ok

5:26 PM

i hope i can finish by the middle of april

1

5:26 PM

haha

sorry I clicked on the wrong emoji

haha its fine

anything I should change/add/remove?

"A factory reset is recommended."

oh ok yeah

1

5:27 PM

do I remove the "in such situations" ?

yeah i think

ok

5:29 PM

better?

yep

1

5:30 PM

i'll read the thing over and over until i understand everything because i really dont want to mess up

yeah, good idea

5:30 PM

take your time

the table of contents is... intimidating

read each chapter at a time

1

5:33 PM

also, are the buttons "Continue anyway" and "Process" OK? Or should they be like "Continue anyway" and "Reset" ? (edited)

i think people might get mixed up between "continue anyway" and "proceed" so i think "reset" would be better

yeah ok

5:36 PM

ok I think 0.2 will come without encrypted updates

5:36 PM

it's a big thing

yeah

and I would like to finally make a new release

5:37 PM

I'll work on them for the next update

that would draw more attention as well, i still dont get why nobody responded to the thread

because they see that the main reader framework is trash

tux-linux

because they see that the main reader framework is trash

for inkbox? it's only a first release; understandable

but I'll do a video, a big walkthrough of all the use-cases/situations/inkbox things, and I'll post that on r/linux

or r/kobo

so maybe people will get interested

5:38 PM

weeeeeelll

ye

there aren't many people on r/kobo

true

I could crosspost but that's not how we would get people interested

hm

5:39 PM

maybe look for other kobo forums? there cant be just mobileread

idk

5:39 PM

mobileread is certainly the most active

5:40 PM

I'll also work on porting it to the glo hd

tux-linux

mobileread is certainly the most active

true

tux-linux

I'll also work on porting it to the glo hd

yeah and maybe (even tho it's EXTREMELY dangerous) a dd image for emmc devices? if it's possible

5:40 PM

and if people can take the risk (edited)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

5:41 PM

I mean, even myself I wouldn't take the risk

5:41 PM

unless I have U-Boot access

yeah i wouldnt either

and even there, not all Kobos permit you to access the u-boot shell

yea

like, you can't on the mini

5:41 PM

the glo hd is fine though

i'm going to download the arduino app and see if i can set up a serial with the mini

ok

5:42 PM

but you could set up usbnet

5:42 PM

you'd have shell access to 0.1.1

5:42 PM

now that you can restart the computer

yeah but i think serial would be "cooler" :p

yeah ofc

let me see if i can unearth my duponts

5:44 PM

found them

5:44 PM

ok so i power it off, wire it, and power it on? (edited)

yes

5:45 PM

but you have to figure out how to access serial with your pc

5:45 PM

you can take toothpicks to connect the wires

5:45 PM

be careful though, they must not touch each other

iirc arduino ide has a serial thing

or bad things could happen

and i believe my uno has usb-serial

nice

i remember making a social distance detector thing with my arduino last year; that was fun

5:47 PM

is it...crashing?

5:47 PM

it crashed; i'm gonna download the tar

crashing... what?

app

oh

5:48 PM

you can hook up the wires like that

cut the end of the toothpicks by one millimeter, or elsewise it won't stay in place

i recommend getting a new microsd for the mini

why?

5:49 PM

4g is fine

tux-linux

4g is fine

yeah but with all my mods, i got a 16g and it was much better

5:50 PM

i updated and it said it was full

I still have plenty of space for inkbox

tux-linux

I still have plenty of space for inkbox

yeah but for me, i had nickel, and everything

5:50 PM

every mod in existence

5:50 PM

that i could find

also. people aren't gonna like it if I provide a 16G sd image

true

the mini came with 4g

yea

5:51 PM

tar -xzf arduino-1.8.13-linux64.tar.xz?

no

5:51 PM

tar -xf

5:51 PM

because it's an xz archive

5:52 PM

the z tells it to use gunzip to extract it

ok

so now it must use xz -d or something like that

[dill@archlinux ~]$ tar -xf Downloads/arduino-1.8.13-linux64.tar.xz
[dill@archlinux ~]$ cd Downloads
[dill@archlinux Downloads]$ cd Arduino
bash: cd: Arduino: No such file or directory
[dill@archlinux Downloads]$ ls
arduino-1.8.13-linux64.tar.xz       bedrock-linux-0.7.19-x86_64.sh
balenaEtcher-1.5.116-ia32.AppImage
[dill@archlinux Downloads]$

well

5:55 PM

tar extracted the archive in the dir you were

5:55 PM

when you extracted it

oh

5:56 PM

[dill@archlinux arduino-1.8.13]$ ls
arduino                 examples    java       reference      tools-builder
arduino-builder         hardware    lib        revisions.txt  uninstall.sh
arduino-linux-setup.sh  install.sh  libraries  tools
[dill@archlinux arduino-1.8.13]$

install.sh, correct?

yes

5:57 PM

but no

5:57 PM

arduino-linux-setup.sh should be better

ok

5:58 PM

hmm im pretty sure first install then setup

ok then

rebooting

6:03 PM

so... mini's tx to arduino's rx?

6:03 PM

and vice versa?

yes

6:03 PM

connect the ground also

to V?

no

6:04 PM

GND

theres no GND, but theres one with three lines

it's that

k

6:10 PM

serial ports are...frustrating

I feel your pain

i need tape or something

it likely will break

ah

as soon as you touch the wire with just the tip of your finger

6:15 PM

understand what I mean, yeah?

6:16 PM

^^

yep

are you excited for tonight's 0.2 update?

yeah definitely, i want to try out the initrd and the reset options!

nice! I say tonight but it may come later this night because uploading the sd image will take a pretty long time

uploading the sd image will take a pretty long time

6:19 PM

i feel your pain

yeah

6:20 PM

like uploading a 1gb file is a nightmare

6:20 PM

it takes like 4 and a half hours

one time my wifi was like 0.5mbps and it took hours for 4gb

6:20 PM

dang

dill

one time my wifi was like 0.5mbps and it took hours for 4gb

that was for a backup of my mini

6:24 PM

that didnt work... i'll redo it because never gonna give it up

serial??

ye

6:24 PM

probably a wire issue

define "didn't work"

Arduino: 1.8.13 (Linux), Board: "Arduino Uno"

Board at null is not available


This report would have more information with
"Show verbose output during compilation"
option enabled in File -> Preferences.

https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=607238.0

"Board at null is not available", PLEASE HELP!

thanks!

1

6:27 PM

apparently my old social distance code was on there...

6:27 PM

fixed

so it works?

wiring

6:28 PM

as soon as i let go of the wires, they come off (edited)

oh good luck

1

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6:31 PM

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wiring issue

ok

or baud rate

what baud

is it set to 115200?

no, 9600

115200

k

does it work?

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6:33 PM

:/

6:33 PM

wiring

probably

mini randomly rebooted

6:36 PM

when i wired

6:36 PM

ground?

idk but that's strange

6:36 PM

are you sure the wires don't touch each other?

ye wait trying again

does the mini still work?

ye

be careful because you could fry it up

mmm... fried kobo i'll be careful ;p

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6:41 PM

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(edited)

I don't know honestly

let me try with different wires and a different usb

ok

no output at all

6:45 PM

serial monitor, right

i don't know

for your pi

well I use minicom

oh

*microcom

6:46 PM

but it's because the Pi is running full Linux so ttyS0 is already integrated in there with the kernel

oh

6:49 PM

if it's /dev/ttyACM1

6:49 PM

then

6:50 PM

pacman -S microcom

ok

and sudo microcom -D /dev/ttyACM1

not found

it's in the AUR

[dill@archlinux ~]$ pacman -S microcom
error: you cannot perform this operation unless you are root.
[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S microcom
error: target not found: microcom

yeah, it's in the Arch User Repository

oh

6:51 PM

so download?

you can install base-devel

6:52 PM

then git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/minicom and cd minicom and makepkg -si and it should be installed

ok

if git is not installed you can pacman it first

6:52 PM

hm not minicom

6:52 PM

microcom

ok

but you can install minicom too it's in the official repo

6:52 PM

as you want

6:53 PM

microcom is better for some layout shenanigans

you appear to have cloned an empty repository

did you clone microcom or minicom

mini :/

try again

building

6:55 PM

done

6:56 PM

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo microcom -D /dev/ttyACM1
microcom: invalid option -- 'D'
Usage: microcom [options]
 [options] include:
    -p, --port=<devfile>                 use the specified serial port device (/dev/ttyS0);
    -s, --speed=<speed>                  use specified baudrate (115200)
    -t, --telnet=<host:port>             work in telnet (rfc2217) mode
    -c, --can=<interface:rx_id:tx_id>    work in CAN mode
                                         default: (can0:200:200)
    -f, --force                          ignore existing lock file
    -d, --debug                          output debugging info
    -l, --logfile=<logfile>              log output to <logfile>
    -o, --listenonly                     Do not modify local terminal, do not send input
                                         from stdin
    -a,  --answerback=<str>              specify the answerback string sent as response to
                                         an ENQ (ASCII 0x05) Character
    -v, --version                        print version string
    -h, --help                           This help
Exitcode 1 -  

[dill@archlinux ~]$

6:57 PM

-p?

yes

6:57 PM

sorry

its fine

and specify -s 115200

sudo microcom -s 115200 /dev/ttyACM1

-p before dev

k

6:58 PM

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo microcom -s 115200 -p /dev/ttyACM1
connected to /dev/ttyACM1
Escape character: Ctrl-\
Type the escape character to get to the prompt.

now setup?

are the wires connected?

not yet

connect them

6:59 PM

Now it works on the Mini

yay!

7:00 PM

touch? (edited)

what?

does touch work

7:00 PM

dumb question but ye (edited)

oh yes sure

7:00 PM

no the warning is in Qt

great

so all is already working great with touch input

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo microcom -s 115200 -p /dev/ttyACM1
connected to /dev/ttyACM1
Escape character: Ctrl-\
Type the escape character to get to the prompt.
B@ �
    ��Pa���މ����Resource temporarily unavailable
[dill@archlinux ~]$

7:03 PM

you know eventually this could become a fully fledged alternative to nickel

are you sure you connected the wires in the right places?

tux-linux

are you sure you connected the wires in the right places?

let me see

Mini: TX to RX arduino

7:03 PM

Mini: RX to TX arduino

7:03 PM

Mini: GND to GND arduino

ok its not working, maybe i'll get a pi

7:05 PM

but that will probably be 1-2 months

7:05 PM

in which i'll do LFS as well :D

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-zero/

Buy a Raspberry Pi Zero – Raspberry Pi

The Raspberry Pi Zero is half the size of a Model A+, with twice the utility. A tiny Raspberry Pi that’s affordable enough for any project!

7:06 PM

that costs $5

which model do you use?

7:06 PM

WOW

7:06 PM

5

Pi 400

CAD? or USD

usd

so ~6

but in cad it's like 6-7 yeah

7:06 PM

if you want the one with wi-fi it's approx 25$ including shipping

7:07 PM

(or excluding, I don't remember)

parents say its prob gonna cost a lot to ship from usa to canada so im looking into other pi's from ebay/kijiji

buyapi.ca

i saw that as well

or canakit

"25.29"

7:10 PM

saw that too

it's the full kit

"+17.89 shipping estimate"

oh yeah

lets see kijiji

ok (edited)

50 dollars

pi zero?

7:11 PM

don't buy that

i know, that's outrageous

7:12 PM

and thats just the board

hahaa

zero w or zero

w is with wi-fi

oh

you can buy 3b+ or others like that too

7:13 PM

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-general-electronics/edmonton/raspberrypi3b/1553741382

RaspberryPi3B+ | General Electronics | Edmonton | Kijiji

comes with 8gb card

7:13 PM

maybe contact and ask for pictures

i thought i had fried it

what

the mini

7:15 PM

fortunately, its fine

it's always stressful

7:15 PM

sometimes mine doesn't want to power on neither

yea, especially since it was unresponsive and frozen

maybe you fried the serial port tho

perhaps

oops

7:15 PM

well if it's still fine you always have that

7:16 PM

it's only the serial port

haha thats common with me "oops i fried insert thing here"

haha

afaik dupont wires should work with both rasp pi and arduino, right

yes

7:17 PM

but if you buy raspberry pi zero, you will need the bare wires

why?

or attach a gpio layout like other pis

7:17 PM

because the zero has just holes

7:17 PM

not pins

oh like the mini

yes

i'd rather get the 3b+

yes it'd be good

7:19 PM

before inkbox I wanted to buy a Pi zero with an eink display to build my own ereader

haha i'd recommend the M5Paper (edited)

now I have the software part at least ;p

haha true

no, because it's a microcontroller

7:20 PM

inkbox runs on linux

tux-linux

inkbox runs on linux

oh ye

7:20 PM

alpine

yeah i would have installed alpine on it and set up the waveshare display

7:20 PM

then I'd have wrapped that up in a nice case

a custom e-reader

7:21 PM

that'd be cool

yes, check the Open Book Project

7:21 PM

though it's not running linux, only microcontroller software

oh nice

7:23 PM

you have "raspbian" right

yes

7:23 PM

i installed alpine too

wait no now it's called raspberry pi os

but raspbian is "fine" though it's very ugly

7:23 PM

yes

tux-linux

i installed alpine too

cool

raspi os "just works"

7:24 PM

also, it's great for compiling things because it's the same architecture (Armv7l) than on kobos

i liked the idea of getting a pi when i was 9 because i wanted to try raspbian

tux-linux

also, it's great for compiling things because it's the same architecture (Armv7l) than on kobos

cool, and more cpu, right?

yes (edited)

7:24 PM

4 cores

7:24 PM

1.8ghz

7:24 PM

you can overclock to 2.2ghz

random image from google

yes

nice

but you can try raspbian on x86_64 too

yeah i know

7:27 PM

im hungry, i'll go get something

7:27 PM

brb

ok

back

7:41 PM

so does LFS have like a liveusb thing? or not, because it's "scratch"

Is it normal that your last MR activity was today at 7:55AM? Strange

7:44 PM

No liveusb

no

7:50 PM

its not strange

7:51 PM

i logged in at 8

7:51 PM

to see if it worked

tux-linux

No liveusb

wait, so then what environment do i do it in?

7:53 PM

where did my aura h2o go argh

7:55 PM

nvm i found it

dill

wait, so then what environment do i do it in?

Your standard Linux distro

tux-linux

Your standard Linux distro

oh so arch

8:06 PM

thats nice

8:06 PM

i thought i had to do it in a console

wait

8:15 PM

so

8:15 PM

what do i do if i dont have a bios partition

8:20 PM

wait what am i doing

8:20 PM

i need to read the book first

8:21 PM

yeah im not reading it first or it'll take even longer

8:21 PM

i'll skim it

[dill@archlinux ~]$ ls brain
argh.txt
[dill@archlinux ~]$ cat argh.txt
WHY IS THIS SO CONFUSING

wait

8:38 PM

I suggest you get yourself a new drive for LFS

8:38 PM

a cheap $15 HDD of 60G will do

8:38 PM

-or- you do everything in a live cd

dill

[dill@archlinux ~]$ ls brain
argh.txt
[dill@archlinux ~]$ cat argh.txt
WHY IS THIS SO CONFUSING

ls / cat?

tux-linux

ls / cat?

ah

8:41 PM

i made that btw

what do you mean?

⬆️

8:41 PM

i made that

8:41 PM

lfs is confusing

why is it confusing?

tux-linux

a cheap $15 HDD of 60G will do

sure

tux-linux

why is it confusing?

idk it just is

oh ok

dill

sure

maybe i'll get some more

if you want

but then where would i put the drive

a 60g partition did well for me

8:42 PM

well

8:42 PM

external drive (edited)

8:42 PM

you plug it via usb

oh

I have an adapter and I can just put any drive inside it, and access it via usb

8:43 PM

but there are integrated ones too

that's cool

8:44 PM

so while im on arch, i'll be able to access discord?

iso ?

8:44 PM

live usb?

8:44 PM

you can make your own and install firefox discord and all

wait nvm i think i'll use ubuntu to install it

8:45 PM

with a live usb

if you can, keep your main hard drive inside

8:45 PM

buy an external

8:45 PM

and install from ubuntu, not in a liveusb environment

ubuntu is emergency mode remember

liveusb works, but if things go wrong and you have to reboot...

tux-linux

liveusb works, but if things go wrong and you have to reboot...

true

well you could just wipe the hard drive

8:46 PM

or do it in debian or something

but that would mean reinstalling gentoo

8:46 PM

ye debian

you can backup gentoo

8:46 PM

debian should be good

tux-linux

you can backup gentoo

dd if=/dev/sda3 of=Downloads/gentoo.iso will that kill my system

gentoo.iso?

8:47 PM

no

8:47 PM

gentoo.img

tar.gz

8:47 PM

oh ok

8:47 PM

and then backup to usb?

you might want to learn more about the ISO 9660 standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660

ISO 9660

ISO 9660 is a file system for optical disc media. Being sold by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) the file system is considered an international technical standard. Since the specification is available for anybody to purchase, implementations have been written for many operating systems. ISO 9660 traces its roots to the Hi...

dill

tar.gz

no dd will just make a raw image of the partition

tux-linux

no dd will just make a raw image of the partition

yea so img

you'll have to restore it with dd

so after all is said and done with lfs, i plug in the usb with the gentoo image and type dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda3

well

but the thing is, i dont particularly want to wipe my drive

if you do it in an external drive you won't have to wipe it

8:49 PM

just use the debian part and do things from there

no, i'll use debian on sda5 to install lfs on sda7

you sure?

or... sdb?

8:49 PM

(sdb being an external hard drive)

yes, especially since you're going to deal with low-level boot things and installing + configuring grub manually

oh

8:50 PM

yikes

8:50 PM

grub

so you better do it on the external drive

thats a challenge

8:50 PM

ok

yes

8:50 PM

that was the part when I was the most scared; the boot-up after I set up everything (edited)

that was me with gentoo

yeah, LFS is even more scary

oh no

8:51 PM

also what should i set my make flag to

8:51 PM

make="jX"

-j4 or whatever cpu cores you have

how do i check how many cores

like if you have a 2 core cpu -j2

8:52 PM

are you in kde?

gnome at the moment

you could do cat /proc/cpuinfo

CPU: Pentium T4300 (2) @ 2.100GHz

8:52 PM

neofetch

then you have 2 cores

8:52 PM

so -j2

k

I'm trying to get dark mode working for inkbox

8:53 PM

but it's difficult

that would be great

8:53 PM

inverted or dark? (edited)

because I don't want to have to re-set all the values of color of each label and button

8:53 PM

so I have to find a way to invert the framebuffer

maybe look at koreader/nickel/plato's way of doing it

they are all very ... language specific

oh ye

8:55 PM

i have to go :/

ok bye

1

bye

will i need internet for lfs

yes

9:26 PM

only to download source archives

9:26 PM

btw I got night mode on inkbox

cooool!

i used the old kobo nightmode hack

9:31 PM

I launched inkbox with LD_PRELOAD=screenInv.so (edited)

9:31 PM

and there you go

9:31 PM

wait I'll show you a pic

ok

9:32 PM

nice

9:33 PM

brb

ok (edited)

9:33 PM

great!!

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

what do the other pages look like? (e.g. settings, apps)

I'm working on that

9:53 PM

the thing is that the binary respawns itself when e.g. settings is closed, to apply the new settings

9:54 PM

but the LD_PRELOAD thing gets discarded

9:54 PM

so no nightmode

oh...

i'm working on that

1

stupid question: if i wanted to move sda2 to sda1 and delete sda1 entirely, would i do dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda1?

I'd rather tar my system up and untar it in the second partition

but would it work? and how do you tar it?

tar cJf tar_archive.tar.xz mount_point/

9:56 PM

append sudo too

would dd work tho

or you can squash it with mksquashfs

9:57 PM

no

9:57 PM

probably not (edited)

why not

because sda2 is likely a different size than sda1

9:57 PM

even if it's 2 or 3 mbs

oh ye

9:59 PM

sda1 and 2 are both 33.00 gib

as i said, i'd not do a dd

okay

you can also do mksquashfs /partition_mount_point archive.squashfs -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments

10:00 PM

with sudo

10:00 PM

install squashfs-tools if it says command not found

partition mount point is /

squashfs from a different os

10:02 PM

otherwise it will include directories like tmp, run, dev, and all the things that you don't want on a compressed archive

oh

10:02 PM

wait

10:02 PM

so

10:02 PM

debian, squash from there?

yes

but all my partitions are mounted on / (edited)

what?

all partitions have a mountpoint of /

that's absolutely impossible

10:04 PM

only one partition is allowed to mount at /

really

others can be mounted at /media, /mnt or the like

how do i find out tho

10:05 PM

which one is mounted where

mount

10:05 PM

or df -h

sda2 mounted on /

yes, that's your root partition

let me see where debian is

10:12 PM

its on /

so you are on debian right now (edited)

ye

it's why it says it's mounted on /

oh

10:13 PM

but then how do i know what i squash

well

10:13 PM

mount the partition at /some/mount/point

10:13 PM

wait

oh k

you want to squash another distro, not debian, right?

ye

ok

10:13 PM

so mount the part on /some/mount/point

10:14 PM

then mksquashfs

10:14 PM

and put the output file outside the partition that you want to squash

/mnt?

tux-linux

and put the output file outside the partition that you want to squash

ok

mount point?

10:14 PM

yes

ye

10:14 PM

ok

10:17 PM

 dill@debianlinux:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
dill@debianlinux:~$ mksquashfs /mnt arch.squashfs -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments

with sudo

10:17 PM

but yes

ok

10:19 PM

dill@debianlinux:~$ sudo mksquashfs /mnt arch.squashfs -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments
Parallel mksquashfs: Using 2 processors
Creating 4.0 filesystem on arch.squashfs, block size 1048576.

it hangs? it's normal

10:19 PM

eventually it will show output

ye it's showing now (edited)

like that

10:20 PM

+ mksquashfs . ../update.isa -b 1048576 -comp gzip -always-use-fragments
Parallel mksquashfs: Using 4 processors
Creating 4.0 filesystem on ../update.isa, block size 1048576.
[=======================================================================================================================================|] 81/81 100%

(edited)

ok

10:21 PM

3%

awesome

only things that won't work will be scribble and light maps

10:32 PM

but I don't think that that's a big deal

yea and fixes could be in a future release

10:35 PM

does mksquashfs usually slow down the computer (edited)

ofc

1

ok the update could be delayed since I want to go big and make the oobe setup real

that's fine

like, it's where the user could select options like night mode, ui scaling, default font, etc

nice!

11:16 PM

also argh mksquashfs is killing my patience

11:16 PM

11%

you have to wait

ye i know

11:17 PM

also will 0.2 be with .adds as well

yes, but probably not all the functionnality

11:17 PM

maybe night mode

11:17 PM

but I need to test it before

144 MiB left in /home aaaaaaaaah

then you're gonna run out of space

11:18 PM

do you have a larger partition you could save it?

hmmm no

if mksquashfs did run you out of space, then dd would have done the same an hour ago

oh

so I guess there's no way out :/

oh well

11:19 PM

ctrl + c?

yes

removed with rm

11:20 PM

wait but dd, its directly cloning sda2 to sda1

11:20 PM

nothing to do with /home

tux-linux

if mksquashfs did run you out of space, then dd would have done the same an hour ago

what i'm doing is dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda1

11:31 PM

so not doing 2 dds

33792 records in and 33791 out

11:51 PM

youch

11:51 PM

that hurts

11:51 PM

i may have destroyed sda1

probably

12:02 AM

it could maybe boot but it's unlikely to

yep

12:04 AM

destroyed

12:04 AM

grub is giving me a rescue thing

12:04 AM

so im on an ubuntu liveusb

12:04 AM

to reinstall grub

tux-linux

it could maybe boot but it's unlikely to

would that work?

if it doesn't boot it doesn't boot

then would a grub reinstall work

probably not

aw man

12:06 AM

arch reinstall?

you can try reinstalling grub

ok

but it's unlikely to work

failed to get canonical path of /cow

chroot to install grub

chroot what

wait

12:08 AM

chroot on some partition that is on sda

ok

bind-mount all folders

chroot on /mnt?

yes but before

12:08 AM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336175

[HOWTO] Create your own native development environment on your Kob...

[HOWTO] Create your own native development environment on your Kobo! Kobo Developer's Corner

12:08 AM

run the mount commands in this post

ok

changes the paths ofc

ye

12:09 AM

so

12:09 AM

mount -v --bind /dev /mnt/user/dev
mount -v --bind /dev/pts /mnt/user/dev/pts
mount -vt proc proc /mnt/user/proc
mount -vt sysfs sysfs /mnt/user/sys
mount -vt tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/user/run
mount -vt tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/user/tmp
mkdir /mnt/user/dev/shm
mount -vt tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/user/dev/shm
cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/user/etc

12:10 AM

that?

yes

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount -v --bind /dev /mnt/dev
mount: /mnt/dev: mount point does not exist.
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$

you mounted the partition, did you

oh

12:11 AM

on mnt?

yes

done mount

12:18 AM

what do i chroot

yes

12:18 AM

and you do grub-install from there

no, what do i chroot

mnt

with sudo

yes

got in chroot

12:19 AM

installing

12:19 AM

wait first dont i have to make the config (edited)

idk

grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

probably

ok

12:20 AM

done

12:20 AM

and now installing

12:20 AM

lets hope it works

12:21 AM

i'm pretty sure i chrooted arch

12:21 AM

yep

12:21 AM

rebooting bye

12:24 AM

ok im so lucky

12:24 AM

whew

12:25 AM

but only arch is on grub at the moment, expected because of chroot

12:29 AM

grub-mkconfig is hanging

12:29 AM

i have a nasty feeling that it's because of my "gifted and talented" moment when i dded

what

2:20 AM

it says im playing systemd

yes

is that better

are you on gentoo?

discord settings got screwed up

2:20 AM

no

2:20 AM

arch

so they got it right

haha ye

2:21 AM

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo os-prober
rmdir: failed to remove '/var/lib/os-prober/mount': Device or resource busy
rmdir: failed to remove '/var/lib/os-prober/mount': Device or resource busy
rmdir: failed to remove '/var/lib/os-prober/mount': Device or resource busy
rmdir: failed to remove '/var/lib/os-prober/mount': Device or resource busy
[dill@archlinux ~]$

reboot

k

sda1 was causing issues

2:31 AM

so i wiped it

dill

so i wiped it

as in mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1

lets see if grub worked (edited)

2:49 AM

it works

2:55 AM

@tux-linux sorry for ping, but are you familiar with refind

2:55 AM

the bootloader

not much

k

2:56 AM

wait maybe you can help

2:56 AM

go to the arch server and go to arch-installation

but you don't have uefi

no

2:57 AM

for someone else

oh

they cant find arch on refind apparently

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/REFInd

REFInd

1

good night

good night to you too

1

4:01 AM

i'm working on the oobe thing

1

Do you still have questions about rEFInd?

11:43 PM

I can help with that

pgaskin

Do you still have questions about rEFInd?

yep! how does one add a menu entry?

Look at the rEFInd config file

11:47 PM

It's a similar way as with GRUB

ah i see

But what specifically are you trying to add?

someone on the arch discord server couldn't find arch on their refind

Which filesystem for the partition with the kernel?

i think probably ext4, as that is the most commonly used FS (edited)

You probably want to check to be sure

okay

3:38 AM

argh currently i'm trying and failing to draw a canadian maple leaf

3:44 AM

yay i managed to trace one

YES

3:50 AM

YES

I only have to add Night mode

3:51 AM

i know, the font size thing is ugly

3:51 AM

no not really

3:51 AM

it's ok

is the rest ok too?

the rest is amazing

3:52 AM

i like the scaling thing

yeah I had nightmares centering the radio buttons (edited)

so 2.0 is released tomorrow? or today?

sometime this week

1

3:53 AM

2.0 ?

idk... 2.0.1?

0.2

oh ye

3:54 AM

sorry ;p

but maybe we could jump to 1.0

3:54 AM

because

beta

it's huge

yeah definitely

3:54 AM

0.2-beta or 1.0-beta

1

3:56 AM

also i'm tempted to wipe my disk again

3:56 AM

and use gpt

3:56 AM

much better than msdos * shudders * (edited)

use the escape chars

3:56 AM

\

what?

so it's like *hi*

oh!

3:57 AM

like this\

3:57 AM

oh nice

3:57 AM

but extended and primary and logical partitions...

3:57 AM

nightmare

life lesson: you should stay with one distro

yep

and try others in live usbs

i got rid of deepin and ubuntu

3:58 AM

so now arch, gentoo and debian

3:59 AM

i plan to replace gentoo with my LFS so i can have 50G each

3:59 AM

instead of the 33G setup

yeah ok

it was completely unnecessary to have deepin and ubuntu in my opinion

4:01 AM

they were both broken

4:02 AM

deepin: graphics and ubuntu: probably something to do with uefi

tux-linux

and try others in live usbs

i'm too clumsy to make an iso (edited)

4:05 AM

or maybe i'll get rid of debian and just have "elektrux" and arch

-yes-

⬆️ dual boot: much cleaner :p

single boot is even cleaner

yep but i have a feeling that my lfs is going to be broken in some way (edited)

single boot and qemu/kvm is the best

4:06 AM

probably

4:06 AM

it's made for you to learn

yep, even gentoo was

4:06 AM

yea

so you'll learn and start again not making the same mistakes

1

4:06 AM

better?

yes

ok thx

1

tux-linux

single boot and qemu/kvm is the best

what does distro partitioning have to do with qemu/kvm

nothing, but it's like having multi boot on one os

oh

like , wait a second

1

4:12 AM

ok it's more like wait a minute

ok

ok it's a windowspe, basically windows 10 in an iso, but you get the idea

cool!

-or-

4:19 AM

arch and ubuntu alongside

oh wow cool!

4:20 AM

how?

archiso

4:20 AM

well i mean the windows can't exit the kvm window

4:20 AM

but it's alongside

oh i just saw the qemu thing

4:20 AM

that's nice

yep

i may also look into bedrock if i purchase more hdd

dill

i may also look into bedrock if i purchase more hdd

i like the idea of having kde plasma, pacman, and debian stuff on one distro... unless im fantasizing

it's a bad idea

why?

at some point all will break

stability?

4:22 AM

yeah

well it can't be good

4:22 AM

even if the distro was designed for that

yea true

it could be better than if you used gentoo's emerge on ubuntu, but still not reliable

nothing is completely stable

tux-linux

it could be better than if you used gentoo's emerge on ubuntu, but still not reliable

i don't like ubuntu much to be completely honest

4:23 AM

*compared to other distros

someone actually did it

4:23 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/m46jg0/testing_portage_gentoo_package_manager_on_ubuntu/

r/linux - Testing portage (gentoo package manager) on Ubuntu.

553 votes and 123 comments so far on Reddit

nice

and people kept talking about the fact that he should have got a screen recorder

4:24 AM

haha

haha screen recorder

4:25 AM

i mean the recording wasnt that bad

No ofc

"genbuntoo"

4:26 AM

lolol the comments

You should check red star os btw (edited)

4:27 AM

It's the north Korean Linux

4:27 AM

You can even download the iso

4:27 AM

No, I'm not lying

let me see

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS

Red Star OS

Red Star OS (Korean: 붉은별; MR: Pulgŭnbyŏl) is a North Korean Linux distribution, with development first starting in 1998 at the Korea Computer Center (KCC). Prior to its release, computers in North Korea typically used Red Hat Linux and Windows XP.Version 3.0 was released in the summer of 2013, but as of 2014, version 1.0 continues to be more wid...

4:28 AM

what

They truly did an insane job with OS X

red star looks interesting

It is

4:29 AM

I tested it

cool! how was it?

Strange

4:29 AM

And scary

it's all in korean?!

Like, it's the best Mac theming someone could have in Linux

4:30 AM

No, you can change to English

4:30 AM

Only install is Korean

oh (edited)

There are tutorials

i might try it in qemu

4:31 AM

"naenara" is like firefox right

Old old old Firefox

oh

But you better not enable internet

"modified mozilla firefox browser"

Because You know

yep

4:32 AM

but like what hahahahaa

https://youtu.be/j_9QOgg0GRE

Michael MJD

Red Star OS - A Look at North Korean Computing [Part 1]

dill

but like what hahahahaa

Sometimes it's worse

.....

Write the next reply

haha

4:35 AM

like "and then put it out" or something? idk

4:36 AM

Well

4:36 AM

You threw it into a fire

i know hahaha

Anyways

i mean this thread is nonsensical

4:38 AM

for the glory of tux

Or "you make a funeral and the ghost of systemd gets out of the grave"

HAHA YES

4:38 AM

or openrc

Systemd is more famous

true

4:39 AM

yep i'm gonna say that

4:42 AM

personalizing my reddit

4:44 AM

my hair isnt nearly as messy but ye

4:44 AM

oh wait wrong "cake day"

https://www.reddit.com/u/tux-linux

tux-linux (u/tux-linux) - Reddit

4:44 AM

that's just me

4:44 AM

i'm surprised that the username was not already taken

yep i think i followed you

oh yeah true i remember

4:45 AM

sorry

no it's fine

4:47 AM

oh... thought cake day was my birthday :p

yeah me too

4:47 AM

it was the same month day so I was confused

oh

4:48 AM

mine is august so i was like "what? march?"

4:48 AM

i think i have to go

4:48 AM

bye

4:51 AM

^ my background... found it online

4:51 AM

i personally like it

nice

4:56 AM

bye

do you have spring break where you are?

no

2:39 PM

it was 2 weeks ago

oh i have it in ~1-2 weeks

2:40 PM

so i plan to do the LFS on spring break so i have more time; right now i'm busy with school and such

yes

2:40 PM

good idea

1

I'm going to release InkBox 1.0 tonight

10:35 PM

along with (probably) a long walkthrough video that will come out in the few coming days

Doing the final (hopefully) factory reset before compressing the SD card into an image

ok so uploading it now. but it's 1.3GiB, so I wouldn't be surprised if it finished only by 10 PM EST...

12:34 AM

@fermino I created an "old" directory, so those files aren't that important. If you want to make space, feel free to delete them. Otherwise, they can be kept as an archive

tux-linux

ok so uploading it now. but it's 1.3GiB, so I wouldn't be surprised if it finished only by 10 PM EST...

it's 10 PM EST ;p

well no

tux-linux

Doing the final (hopefully) factory reset before compressing the SD card into an image

awesome!

not there yet

3:04 AM

but it's uploading

3:04 AM

yeah i forgot about daylight savings haha

3:04 AM

cool

dill

yeah i forgot about daylight savings haha

no it's truly 10pm

oh

tux-linux

along with (probably) a long walkthrough video that will come out in the few coming days

video tutorial? great!

yes, it's already filmed

cool!

dill

video tutorial? great!

not tutorial, more like a presentation

1

3:05 AM

of all the features, even the ones like when you try to get root and the kernel catches you (edited)

oh

to show the security policy and all

3:06 AM

but there is the reader in the video too

3:08 AM

Teaser

3:10 AM

ok i'm going to do homework

Yeah me too I have a big exam tomorrow

3:11 AM

History

oh so like social studies here

Yes

good luck, i have one of those thursday as well

thx

1

so theres a new update and i downloaded the tar.gz, and did a tar xzf, what now?

3:14 AM

for discord

3:14 AM

never mind i figured it out

3:15 AM

or did i

3:15 AM

nope

It should have worked

@pgaskin the /boot partition is FAT32 and the root one has EXT4

tux-linux

It should have worked

i used pacman

3:19 AM

to install discord

Well

3:20 AM

pacman -Syu

i tried pacman -S discord to reinstall but that didnt work because whoever maintains pacman hasnt updated it yet

3:22 AM

but someone on the arch discord helped

3:22 AM

have to extract in /opt/discord

Yeah ok

(1/1) reinstalling discord                         [######################] 100%
error: extract: not overwriting dir with file /opt/discord/Discord
error: problem occurred while upgrading discord
error: could not commit transaction
error: failed to commit transaction (transaction aborted)
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.

(edited)

3:36 AM

let me delete /opt/discord i guess

Yep

4:27 AM

Coming...

:DDD

4:28 AM

i'll update tomorrow when i have a little more space to breathe

4:28 AM

today was busy

Ok

https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/mini/inkbox-1.0.img.xz

4:46 AM

It's there

4:46 AM

I'll probably post a video tomorrow

great!

5:09 AM

HELP

5:09 AM

GRUB CANT FIND MY KERNEL

5:10 AM

about to mount sda2

5:12 AM

oh no

5:12 AM

/boot doesnt have my kernel

5:12 AM

only grub

5:13 AM

yes i am root

5:13 AM

cant mount sda2 otherwise, because of my tty problem

5:13 AM

and su wont let me

dill

@pgaskin the /boot partition is FAT32 and the root one has EXT4

That shouldn't be an issue as long as the kernel is being installed properly. Is the issue getting it detected by rEFInd, or actually booting it afterwards?

pgaskin

That shouldn't be an issue as long as the kernel is being installed properly. Is the issue getting it detected by rEFInd, or actually booting it afterwards?

the issue is, arch isn't showing up on the boot menu

alright for me, the problem is that pacman -Syu seems to have broken my system

2:36 PM

luckily i have 2 other distros on disk

ok i'm gonna boot an archiso, mount, chroot, and pacman the kernel

dill

alright for me, the problem is that pacman -Syu seems to have broken my system

It's not unusual

tux-linux

It's not unusual

chroot cant execute /usr/bin/zsh

zsh is being a pain so im doing an ubuntu usb

dill

chroot cant execute /usr/bin/zsh

There's always /bin/sh . . .

General notice: I'm planning on including SELinux with newer InkBox releases. With this, InkBox would be a true security fortress

tux-linux

General notice: I'm planning on including SELinux with newer InkBox releases. With this, InkBox would be a true security fortress

:D

1

tux-linux

There's always /bin/sh . . .

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you try 1.0 yet? (edited)

i was just about to flash the image ;p

3:22 AM

i'm also swamped with homework today

3:22 AM

oh wait, my image is on arch...

tux-linux

Did you try 1.0 yet? (edited)

do you think i can chroot from another distro? on debian rn

3:23 AM

ubuntu liveusb takes 30 mins to boot

3:26 AM

nvm i'll just do ubuntu

dill

do you think i can chroot from another distro? on debian rn

Why chroot? You could just mount the partition and grab the file

worked!

tux-linux

Why chroot? You could just mount the partition and grab the file

because, i had to pacman -S linux from a chroot

https://youtu.be/fZ6z_-jO5UY

https://github.com/kevinboone/epub2txt2

InkBox 1.0

the kernel simply vanished, so did the initrd and other things

3:47 AM

:DDD

3:47 AM

YES

dill

because, i had to pacman -S linux from a chroot

But You want to get the InkBox image right?

no, no... i wanted to repair arch as well

3:48 AM

"killing two birds with one stone" i guess you could say

haha 'D'une pierre deux coups'

yep ;p

3:52 AM

nautilus doesnt like to load

3:53 AM

ok it loaded

3:55 AM

OH FSCK (edited)

3:55 AM

MY MINI'S SCREEN IS BROKEN

Huh?!

nooooooo

3:56 AM

let me try and fix it ._.

What is broken?

it has black lines and inkbox doesnt load (on the screen)

Does nickel work?

what nickel

3:57 AM

no; the actual screen is broken

Well if you try with the nickel sd

3:57 AM

Oh ok

i'll try and figure this out

You mean All is broken? You can't fix it then

no; not cracked or anything

3:58 AM

but i see something... like an air bubble

Cracked in the inside

3:58 AM

Check connectors?

yeah

3:58 AM

yea

4:04 AM

what's this orange tape thing

Screen connector probably

4:05 AM

It it disconnected?

doesnt seem to be

Anything else that seems to be broken?

4:06 AM

When was the last time it worked? (edited)

when - i have no idea :/

4:09 AM

anything else - we'll see

4:09 AM

no the eink screen is truly broken; i'll see about a replacement

4:09 AM

sorry :(

Yeah ok

4:10 AM

Not it's ok

4:10 AM

I losed my only tester, but it's fine, things break

tux-linux

I losed my only tester, but it's fine, things break

again, sorry! :c

Anyways thanks for the time you took to test InkBox!

no problem, and i'll try to get this up and running again

4:11 AM

plus i can still test on aura

Yes, hopefully it'll work

4:11 AM

Yeah but Aura is only the software part

4:11 AM

Still better than nothing though

the display is 5 inches, right

4:21 AM

oh wow 55 dollars is the lowest deal

4:21 AM

im so sorry (edited)

It's ok

4:23 AM

You could hunt for another kobo too Maybe a Glo Those can be quite cheap, like $30 sometimes

i'm looking for a screen replacement at the moment (edited)

4:30 AM

i've found some

Oh nice

now i need to find some cheap ones, these are quite expensive

4:30 AM

the screen is "ED050SC3" (edited)

Yeah ok

also it's goodnight for me

4:30 AM

bye

Ok bye!

more expensive than my mini which i got for 20CDN

it's not urgent!

2:44 PM

if it's too much, you can wait

2:44 PM

I don't blame you for your broken Mini's screen!

2:44 PM

things happen

no actually you're not the only one who wants my mini up and running, i want to test inkbox again

ok nice then

about to set up a vm

3:21 AM

probably gonna be painfully slow

3:21 AM

fedora 33 workstation x86_64

Why?

3:24 AM

On the windows PC it would be faster with VirtualBox probably

tux-linux

On the windows PC it would be faster with VirtualBox probably

yeah but a) i cant use windows right now and b) i'm too paranoid about breaking my bios if i enable virtualization ;p

3:49 AM

aaaaand ofc, my bios doesn't show virtualization

dill

more expensive than my mini which i got for 20CDN

LCD E-ink

3:50 AM

wow

3:50 AM

lol

dill

LCD E-ink

Yeah I was surprised when I saw that too

that's trademark scamming

dill

yeah but a) i cant use windows right now and b) i'm too paranoid about breaking my bios if i enable virtualization ;p

The bios can be reset, there's an option for that in the settings Or you can just remove the CMOS battery

probably wouldnt have worked

tux-linux

The bios can be reset, there's an option for that in the settings Or you can just remove the CMOS battery

ye i'll try tomorrow

4:15 AM

would be cool to get a linux vm on windows

4:15 AM

since this computer is a potato

tux-linux

The bios can be reset, there's an option for that in the settings Or you can just remove the CMOS battery

apparently no vt?!

possible

3:27 AM

so... you're out of luck

3:27 AM

probably

it's relatively new

try to install virtualbox and see what it does

i have vb

can you launch vms?

no, no vt

3:28 AM

bluestacks works

that's probably emulation

3:28 AM

well, maybe try to look your computer up online and see if there's VT available?

ok

ok so my touchpad stopped working again

4:43 AM

im doing Syu

4:43 AM

because apparently libinput was out of date or something

An external mouse should work

yea but i dont want to use one all the time

4:45 AM

so now rebooting bye

1

4:47 AM

nope

4:47 AM

and xinput cant seem to find a touchpad

4:47 AM

any suggestions?

not that I can recall, no

ahhh gnome terminal is broken

4:51 AM

have to go bye

1

touch pad works again?! :/

2:46 PM

okay then

this is awesome

3:05 PM

kevinboone/epub2txt2

A simple command-line utility for Linux, for extracting text from EPUB documents. - kevinboone/epub2txt2

:O

like, it's all written in C, super easy to compile and very fast

cool!

which... will allow inkbox to display epubs

YES

just found out... apparently my aura h2o2 is not manufactured anymore

4:30 PM

surprise

4:32 PM

@tux-linux sorry for ping but i may have found another mini!

4:34 PM

in ontario tho

Ask for shipping

yep

4:39 PM

and $15!

It cost me only like $10

haha my first was 20

Yeah

4:39 PM

You'll be able to use the other one for projects on the serial port

right now trying to remember kijiji credentials

Is it black or white?

oh yeah!!

4:40 PM

WHITE

Nice

oops caps lock

4:40 PM

lol sorry

a suggestion: make the can_update and update.isa disappear after updating with rm or something, and make the kobo detect the update files at boot so we dont need a can_update

5:03 PM

sort of like a koboroot.tgz

5:03 PM

gotta go bye

dill

a suggestion: make the can_update and update.isa disappear after updating with rm or something, and make the kobo detect the update files at boot so we dont need a can_update

That already happens

5:12 PM

Right there

#!/bin/sh

CAN_UPDATE=`cat /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard/.inkbox/can_update`
DIR_CONTENTS=`ls /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard/.inkbox | grep update.isa`
CAN_REALLY_UPDATE=`cat /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard/.inkbox/can_really_update`
echo $DIR_CONTENTS

if [ "$CAN_UPDATE" = "true" ]; then
    if [ "$DIR_CONTENTS" == "update.isa" ]; then
        if [ "$CAN_REALLY_UPDATE" == "true" ]; then
            rm /opt/update/update.isa
            mv /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard/.inkbox/update.isa /opt/update
            rm /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard/.inkbox/can_update
            rm /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard/.inkbox/can_really_update
            rm /opt/update/will_update
            echo "true" > /opt/update/inkbox_updated
            echo "false" > /boot/flags/WILL_UPDATE
            killall update-splash
            sync
        fi
    else
        echo "Update skipped or no update available."
        echo "false" > /opt/update/inkbox_updated
    fi
fi

5:14 PM

the can_update is there if in the future I need to upgrade the kernel or something else than the software archive (edited)

oh!

8:01 PM

in the rcS?

no, it's running openrc, remember

8:02 PM

it's the update service

oh ye

i think i'll start LFS this evening!

good luck

1

8:16 PM

You might also want to go check the Git repo from time to time: https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/InkBox/inkbox

inkbox

Source code for InkBox eBook reader

8:16 PM

and look at the commit information

ok

8:17 PM

btw is adds available

no

8:17 PM

it's a lot of work; I don't know if I'll be making one for 1.0

8:18 PM

maybe it will be just for milestone releases after 1.0

8:18 PM

idk

8:18 PM

I just don't feel it

8:19 PM

I'm probably going to port it to the max. devices possible, but in the OS form also, with imx_usb_loader it might be possible to reflash u-boot on emmcs without nothing on the storage, so that is a path to explore

oh ok

tux-linux

I'm probably going to port it to the max. devices possible, but in the OS form also, with imx_usb_loader it might be possible to reflash u-boot on emmcs without nothing on the storage, so that is a path to explore

cool (edited)

tux-linux

I'm probably going to port it to the max. devices possible, but in the OS form also, with imx_usb_loader it might be possible to reflash u-boot on emmcs without nothing on the storage, so that is a path to explore

wait a second... that means images for emmcs?

9:31 PM

i cant flash on my aura because i have a lot of stuff on it

Yes

coooool

But only if it works

yeah but it might be too risky to try

Which it probably won't

yea

dill

yeah but it might be too risky to try

No, it loads the thing in RAM

ohhh

So after that you can do things with the loaded u-boot (edited)

nice

hmm yeah

10:39 PM

nice one

haha

10:45 PM

just scrolling through r/linuxmemes

strange logo tho

10:46 PM

haha

on a systemrescuecd

11:27 PM

wow

11:27 PM

thats nice

11:27 PM

it has startx

it's based on gentoo

ye

11:27 PM

wait no

11:27 PM

its based on arch

11:27 PM

have to go

11:27 PM

bye

oh

11:27 PM

they shifted then

ye

before it was based on Gentoo

ye i know

:D:D:D (edited)

12:10 AM

https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/InkBox/inkbox/commit/2f0c8d2a3061ca69378bcc4ace9402521f0971b8

inkbox

Source code for InkBox eBook reader

:DDD

4:50 AM

YES

4:50 AM

btw, lfs will have to wait, i had a really busy day today

4:54 AM

just fyi, you can join discord.gg/python if you want help w/ py3

Ok, I don't use it that much these times, but thanks

1

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

...

haha

it would be amusing to watch a windows 10 user try to install LFS tho

2

it's tux-linux

1

6:03 AM

oh my god no

6:03 AM

microsoft is trying to buy discord

already?

6:04 AM

sad

yeah like WHY

money

6:04 AM

they've already bought GitHub

wait really

yes

but microsoft will ruin discord

it hasn't ruined github that much though

ye but discord is perfect how it is

i don't think they'll really change anything

6:06 AM

they just want profit

ye

6:06 AM

haha

6:06 AM

yep

it's a testament to how trash the windows ui is

Ui is not that bad I mean, the design It's only that it's too much bloated, like waaaaaaaay too much bloated to be actually usable

bloated, and ui... i meant icons ;p

yeah I know

linux needs no antivirus

anyways, what should I add to general InkBox features?

6:09 AM

passcode?

hmm yeah

dill

linux needs no antivirus

depends (edited)

in settings, but i think only a PIN

yes

like i use in nickel

look up "fork bomb linux"

6:09 AM

yes, that's what I was planning to do

6:10 AM

I think I'll add a brightness widget to the main window too

oh... a DoS

tux-linux

I think I'll add a brightness widget to the main window too

yep

dill

oh... a DoS

yes. It's fairly dangerous, a fork bomb.

6:11 AM

Oh. I have to add a "page refresh" thing too

6:11 AM

btw, did you order the mini?

no apparently the shipping costs more than the actual thing

looking for another

ok

also heading out

6:13 AM

bye (edited)

ok bye

ok, glo hd is a pain to work with, it gives random kernel panics and the screen's touch input is strange I'll port InkBox to the Aura then... external SD boot?

5:26 PM

We'll see

external SD, yes

5:26 PM

tweak uboot or something iirc

I can't tweak it too much because it has an eMMC

oh...ye

5:27 PM

risky

5:27 PM

what are the benefits of even moving to emmc??? (edited)

*emmc

5:27 PM

costs

oh

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmemes/comments/mf3bky/windows_is_cool_and_all_but_can_you_do_this/

6:06 PM

HOW

6:06 PM

lol i tried it and it worked

6:08 PM

6:09 PM

alias rr='curl -s -L https://raw.githubusercontent.com/keroserene/rickrollrc/master/roll.sh | bash'

surfing the web and i found this

6:21 PM

https://youtu.be/oHNKTlz1lps

Yeah I know what it is

6:27 PM

Don't even try that with me

tux-linux

Yeah I know what it is

not a rickroll

6:29 PM

just a lot of ppl singing about linux

6:29 PM

idk

oh ok

6:33 PM

haha nice one

btw tiny problem the brightness thing doesnt actually change the brightness

6:36 PM

im fine with that tho

6:39 PM

decided to start lfs

6:42 PM

wait lfs is handy; i can stay on discord while building it!

6:45 PM

@tux-linux sorry for ping, but: how would i go about deleting and resizing partitions? do i delete all except arch and then resize2fs or gparted it?

never mind

7:01 PM

i'm doing that

7:04 PM

i just deleted gentoo (cries) and debian

dill

wait lfs is handy; i can stay on discord while building it!

yes

dill

i just deleted gentoo (cries) and debian

yeah, rip

dill

@tux-linux sorry for ping, but: how would i go about deleting and resizing partitions? do i delete all except arch and then resize2fs or gparted it?

gparted wont let me move sda2 to the beginning

idk

afaik its probably something to do with it being mounted

unmount it then

ok booting from systemrescuecd

tdl359 joined the server. 3/28/2021 7:25 PM

hi @tdl359 !

welcome

7:26 PM

hmm... i'll have to chroot and fix grub after i move it

7:26 PM

wait, i have arch-chroot, can i use that?

yes

ok thx

just completed

managed not to destroy my system!

7:55 PM

and now i have 75000 mib

7:56 PM

on arch

woah

8:04 PM

browsing and i found "balena locating" (edited)

ha

8:04 PM

interesting

8:05 PM

another reason to get a Pi

ideally you could just do find /house | grep kobo

8:05 PM

and it would output

HAHA YES

/house/dills-room/bed/floor (edited)

LOL yes

8:06 PM

i never put it under my bed tho, mostly i put it on a table or counter somewhere

8:07 PM

and then i wander around looking for it

8:07 PM

btw, should i get a pi or a balenafin

8:08 PM

they're essentially the same

a pi

ok

8:08 PM

i'll check out kijiji again (edited)

lol I also broke my Aura's screen

8:11 PM

not entirely, but it's not in a good state

oh sad

not that bad; I didn't like it at all

does it still work?

yes of course

8:11 PM

I can see things on the screen

good

it's less worse than the glo hd

8:11 PM

it's usable

oh whew

anyways the screen was trash

3b+ for $30 btw

8:12 PM

is it good

like, no contrast at all, black text = grey

oh dang, that's horrible

yeah, probably

comes with 8g card

8:15 PM

btw, does kobox work on the mini yet? i'm assuming yes because inkbox comes with alpine

8:15 PM

comes with: correction - runs on

no

8:15 PM

epdc is tricky

oh

xdamage events don't work

oh ok

so basically, it works in vnc

8:16 PM

but no screen

oh then thats "useless"

Yes

it works, but it doesnt work if you get what i mean

wait wow i just have to do mkarchiso

8:38 PM

to make an archiso

8:38 PM

wow

8:42 PM

noooooo

dill

wait wow i just have to do mkarchiso

it's more complicated than that if you want to customize it

https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/InkBox/inkbox/releases/tag/1.1

inkbox

Source code for InkBox eBook reader

touchpad

10:58 PM

again

10:59 PM

i'm reinstalling xorg

11:02 PM

fixed :/

1.1?! cool!!!

1

just fyi, this is the screen

it doesn't show any signs of life?

12:50 AM

seems the glass substrate broke

12:50 AM

badly

it partially refreshes but shows nothing

it's worse than my Glo HD then

definitely

1:26 AM

it even responds to touch

1:26 AM

I know because it refreshes

1:26 AM

Hhhhhhjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhhhfv

1:26 AM

Sorry...

1:26 AM

Auto correct again lol

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_2cmlw1FaJ9ofW46dCDEucyxzkT_QsBI/view?usp=sharing

2:13 AM

this is what i'll show to my friends if i want to look cool

2:13 AM

hahaa

nice i got a blue screen of death on linux

2:27 AM

kidding, fakeupdate.net

Nice one

2:27 AM

(the video)

haha ye

(dont worry about my status, cayman is one of my friends)

1

3:02 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mfarsc/7eleven_using_linux_on_their_drink_machine/

3:02 AM

...full plasma desktop?? why?

it's useful for display

3:02 AM

ah I like kde 4

iirc 5 is the latest version; maybe i'll use 4 with blfs (edited)

don't use 4

3:03 AM

it's from like 2014

3:04 AM

I just like the old design

oh

3:04 AM

btw https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mfe27s/made_my_own_linux_from_scratch_distro_at_age_13/

r/linux - Made my own Linux from Scratch distro at age 13

0 votes and 0 comments so far on Reddit

3:04 AM

im 12 and i've started

3:04 AM

i'll be 13 when im done ;p

haha

it'll take monthsmonthsmonths

3:05 AM

theres a linux bible?! gonna check that out rn

didn't know that that existed (edited)

haha me neither

3:12 AM

excuse me

3:15 AM

found this while scrolling down r/linux lol

yes

3:15 AM

you can see that people in the comments are sometimes... obsessed about some things

yep

3:16 AM

i didn't know what that word meant when i first read the book (i was 9) but then i found out

honestly, I just took that because it was a book that I knew about and it could be a good demo

btw, theres a new comment with a few questions

3:17 AM

yeah

I'll go check it out

Awesome project. I found your post because I pulled out my Kobo mini to load some books onto it for summer reading and thought "I wonder if anybody has tried to run a different OS on this?" Are you aware that in the Kobo Mini's original OS there are some 'Beta' features? They can be found under 'settings'. They include a "Sketchpad", "Sudoku" game, a "Web Browser", and an "Unblock It" game. Do you have an plans or interest to continue working on this project?

I answered it

ok

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mcv5fi/i_made_a_new_os_for_my_kobo_ereader/gsmi2po/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

r/linux - I made a new OS for my Kobo eReader

122 votes and 43 comments so far on Reddit

122 votes! awesome

yep

3:19 AM

that was a big thing though https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/kvhs45/kobo_running_openbox_matepanel_on_alpine_linux/

r/unixporn - [Kobo] running OpenBox + Mate-Panel on Alpine Linux

1,180 votes and 35 comments so far on Reddit

woah

decided to kill my computer by installing blender

you looked at my previous posts did you?

ye but i knew about blender before as well ;p

You just signed its death warrant (edited)

haha

"Tu viens de signer son arrêt de mort" it's better in French

i... can actually read that!!

3:41 AM

woah!

nice!

haha my french class has paid off

is there a way to auto login

5:04 AM

it would be beyond helpful

nvm

5:20 AM

haha google

5:24 AM

hahaa my computer auto-boots arch, auto-logs me in, and auto-starts discord

1

5:27 AM

the keyring didnt get unlocked or something idk

check out these new things in the top right corner (edited)

cool!

new profile picture by the way, i spent an hour on it HAHAHA

Nice!

1

making fs on sda3 because theres no sda1 haha

8:20 PM

for lfs

...swap was made on sda1

8:27 PM

oKAY

8:27 PM

thats fine

what do i do with tar to extract my sources (edited)

9:12 PM

lfs is kinda fun to be honest

I'm in school right now, look around in Google

ok

9:12 PM

thx

9:13 PM

sorry for disturbing your class :c

Also, it should be there in the book

9:13 PM

No, it's the break

no it just says use tar

9:13 PM

oh ok

Read before a little

ok

Screenshot (29 mars 2021 15 h 14 min 32 s)

9:15 PM

tar -xf

thx also what phone? i dont recognize the UI

9:15 PM

looks like android

Pixel 4a

cool

9:21 PM

nevermind hahaha stupid question about tar that i figured out (edited)

makeing gcc

ahhhhh

11:18 PM

ahhhh

11:18 PM

nooo

11:19 PM

i had to force reboot after make finished because the computer was frozen

whew

11:26 PM

all good

Then it may not build again if it froze (edited)

nope

11:29 PM

make finished

11:29 PM

working now

11:29 PM

all changes are good (edited)

11:30 PM

also, done building gcc!

11:30 PM

onto api headers

11:31 PM

just to be clear: the directory that was made when extracting with tar: i delete it after the steps?

yes

ok

11:35 PM

i extract linux-5.10.17 and then go to the dir?

1

11:35 PM

ok

11:38 PM

time for glibc!!

11:43 PM

ln: failed to create symbolic link '/mnt/lfs/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2': Permission denied
ln: failed to create symbolic link '/mnt/lfs/lib64/ld-lsb-x86_64.so.3': Permission denied

11:43 PM

sudo?

did you own the lib64 directory? (edited)

chown?

11:43 PM

with user lfs?

No, because you are theLFS user and you don't have sudo

yes iirc

chown is as root

oh

11:44 PM

ye iirc i have perms

11:44 PM

let me su root and chown it

11:47 PM

is an empty lib normal?

ln

11:48 PM

do you know what it does?

link?

yes

11:49 PM

and is a link supposed to weigh anything? (edited)

no

you have your answer ;p

ok haha

11:50 PM

me during lfs installation is going to look like my profile picture

haha

:\

alias ls='rm -rf /*

12:07 AM

ls

it will not work

12:08 AM

1) you are LFS user 2) it needs the --no-preserve-root option

12:08 AM

btw, why not do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda while you're at it ;p

haha

12:08 AM

have you ever tried cat /dev/sda

12:09 AM

that was chaotic

something like that, yes

12:09 AM

you can just cat /bin/ls

what does that do?

well, it prints out /bin/ls

oh... that was obvious

i forgot to measure how long an sbu was for me... haha

i'm afraid I can't say I did not do that too

haha

12:22 AM

woah konsole just started outputting FAST

12:22 AM

like, faster than before

"Taking a break" You must be tired

12:33 AM

I understand

tired: ive been up for a long time and didnt get enough sleep last night

oh ok

just want to start compiling this next pkg and then heading out for ~20 mins

1

yeah, I think I'm gonna do that too

12:36 AM

it's nice outside, I may take my bike and go for a ride

it's nice here too! i might take out my bike too (edited)

12:38 AM

one question ;p

12:38 AM

wheres libstdc++

12:38 AM

wait nvm

in gcc

1

done compiling the cross-toolchain :D

12:57 AM

now temporary tools

1:03 AM

lfs:/mnt/lfs/sources$ sed -i s/mawk// configure
sed: can't read configure: No such file or directory

you're not even in a folder you extracted from a tarball

OH hahaha

1:03 AM

forgot to cd this time

1:06 AM

```mkdir build pushd build ../configure make -C include make -C progs tic popd```

1:06 AM

do i do it from build or

pushd changes the directory

oh got it

nicolas@smallbuntu:~/Documents/inkbox-git$ ls
build-inkbox-Kobo_glibc-Debug  build-oobe-inkbox-Kobo_glibc-Debug  diagnostics  git-push  inkbox  kernel  oobe-inkbox  tar
nicolas@smallbuntu:~/Documents/inkbox-git$ pushd tar
~/Documents/inkbox-git/tar ~/Documents/inkbox-git
nicolas@smallbuntu:~/Documents/inkbox-git/tar$ ls
build-diags-Kobo_glibc-Debug  diags  diags.tar.xz  inkbox  inkbox.tar.xz  oobe-inkbox  oobe-inkbox.tar.xz
nicolas@smallbuntu:~/Documents/inkbox-git/tar$ popd
~/Documents/inkbox-git
nicolas@smallbuntu:~/Documents/inkbox-git$ ls
build-inkbox-Kobo_glibc-Debug  build-oobe-inkbox-Kobo_glibc-Debug  diagnostics  git-push  inkbox  kernel  oobe-inkbox  tar
nicolas@smallbuntu:~/Documents/inkbox-git$

oh

1:09 AM

yikes, a lot of dirs there

dill

yikes, a lot of dirs there

ls /usr/share

ls /usr/bin

that's not dirs

well... still a lot of output

1:12 AM

btw, i have a class in a few mins so i will have to leave

yes

leaving in a bit

bye!

1

hmm... I don't usually post those things but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2LvQUcwqc this is absolutely hilarious; and not a rickroll (of course)

chemdotinfo

Technical Jargon Overload

whenever i send my friends a link, i have to assure them that this is "not a rickroll, dill-approved" (edited)

1

3:46 AM

hahaha

3:47 AM

good one

1

https://alpinekobox.ddns.net/InkBox/inkbox/commit/83777b6482f589bfe96b86cb29919aec1aad3f1f

3:50 AM

Done the brightness thing

woah great

3:51 AM

if the source is available... that means i can compile inkbox for arch? or not?

dill

whenever i send my friends a link, i have to assure them that this is "not a rickroll, dill-approved" (edited)

seriously tho, i do hahaa

4:03 AM

1

dill

if the source is available... that means i can compile inkbox for arch? or not?

yes but it won't work very well

oh

yeah

1

argh, sometimes instead of opening a page it downloads the html file

4:30 AM

wait

4:30 AM

am i makeing make?!

yes

4:32 AM

of course

4:33 AM

like when you untar tar

haha

untarring tar

4:53 AM

aaaand now im configuring it

whew

5:24 AM

finishing up for the day

5:24 AM

just want to compile gcc (pass 2) and then bed

here's how the brightness thing looks

great

5:47 PM

about to chroot!!

NOOOOO

6:39 PM

I WIPED /MNT/LFS BY MOUNTING DEV, PROC, RUN, AND SYS

6:45 PM

my god, im such an idiot

6:48 PM

wait

6:48 PM

im not

6:48 PM

the partition got unmounted somehow

6:48 PM

yes it's not lost

that was a big scare

FAIL: stdlib/test-bz22786 (edited)

1:25 AM

with make check

1:28 AM

for glibc

1:28 AM

is this ignorable

yes

tux-linux

yes

thx

3:49 AM

Summary of test results:
      3 FAIL
   4293 PASS
     46 UNSUPPORTED
     17 XFAIL
      2 XPASS
make[1]: *** [Makefile:642: tests] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/sources/glibc-2.33'
make: *** [Makefile:9: check] Error 2

and this?

you could continue

3:50 AM

it may fail

3:50 AM

but ... there's always a chance that it will work

okay

tux-linux

it may fail

it should work tho

ok

i've encountered several random check fails like that and LFS still booted up

make installing

3:53 AM

oh ok phew

4:00 AM

localedef -i en_CA -f UTF-8 en_CA.UTF-8 for Canadian English?

seems so

because localedef -i en_GB -f UTF-8 en_GB.UTF-8 is for another one

enGB is Great Britain english

yea

(lfs chroot) root:/sources/glibc-2.33/build# for tz in etcetera southamerica northamerica europe africa antarctica asia australasia backward; do                                               
> zic -L /dev/null   -d $ZONEINFO       ${tz}
> zic -L /dev/null   -d $ZONEINFO/posix ${tz}
> zic -L leapseconds -d $ZONEINFO/right ${tz}
> done
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
warning: "leapseconds", line 83: "#expires" is obsolescent; use "Expires"
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/glibc-2.33/build#

it's a warning

4:31 AM

you don't have to bother

ok

4:31 AM

yay done glibc

1

...gcc takes 95 sbu???!!!

11:02 PM

this will be extremely painful

11:07 PM

gonna take 27 hours or something

Probably

11:34 PM

You compile a compiler

haha

11:55 PM

ye

that grub thing though (edited)

how's inkbox going?

it's going... I'm playing around with my heavily locked down android phone to see if I can lock further down inkbox

haha

12:48 AM

lock down... no idea what you mean ;p

it's the opposite of jailbreak

ohhhh

To give you an idea, here's the list of all the mounted filesystems on my phone

https://youtu.be/q-LopB221Yc

13.56 KB

woah

12:50 AM

so you cant mod it or whatever

well, no, it's not rooted

unlike nickel

I can access some parts of the device

yeah for locking down; that makes it not "moddable"

yes

discord is giving me problems brb

basically, preventing root access and security flaws

oh ok

12:56 AM

i'm about to do some kobox stuff

12:56 AM

fixing touch maybe

Ok

where's xorg-kobo-touch.py btw? (edited)

yaaaaay gcc finished

1:08 AM

make checking now

dill

where's xorg-kobo-touch.py btw? (edited)

probably in some hidden dir in the root folder, i don't remember which

1:09 AM

do a ls -a to check

dill

make checking now

that will take days

1:09 AM

are you sure you want to do it?

1:09 AM

even if it says it's crucial... well a simple hello world test in C should get you going

1:10 AM

#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
  printf("Hello World!");
  return 0;
}

tux-linux

that will take days

wait really

1:16 AM

did a ^C then

1:18 AM

wait

tux-linux

#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
  printf("Hello World!");
  return 0;
}

how do i do that tho

1:18 AM

what env/command

1:21 AM

bye

there should compiled binaries Just run the GCC one

1:24 AM

/path/to/gcc test.c -o test.out

1:24 AM

And then run test.out

(lfs chroot) root:/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build# gcc hw.c -o hw.out
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-lfs-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../x86_64-lfs-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-lfs-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../lib/crt1.o: in function `_start':
/sources/glibc-2.33/csu/../sysdeps/x86_64/start.S:110: undefined reference to `main'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build#

4:12 AM

uh oh

did you use the compiled binary?

4:12 AM

not the one in the PATH

oh

4:15 AM

idk where the compiled one is tho

hunt around

ok

they should be somewhere in some subfolder of the build directory

x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

4:18 AM

?

hmm not sure

4:18 AM

is there a x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc ?

no, but theres a x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-build

doubting that it is that

and apparently x86_64-pc-linux-gnu is a dir

well what's in it?

libatomic libgcc libgomp libitm libquadmath libsanitizer libssp libstdc++-v3 libvtv

out

so... a bunch of libs

nothing interesting there

ok

4:20 AM

x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-build also has some libs (edited)

4:21 AM

build/gcc?

4:21 AM

nope...

4:21 AM

bunch of o and h files

get in the build dir

4:22 AM

find . | grep gcc

4:22 AM

and analyse... the output

4:22 AM

it will be probably huge

ok ;p

but at some point you could find binaries

nope nothing

nothing?

4:22 AM

absolutely nothing?

wait you mean the x86_64 one (edited)

4:23 AM

or the build directory

what directory are you in?

4:23 AM

the build dir

/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build?

yes

ok wait

4:23 AM

what file format is the binary in?

4:23 AM

wait nvm

4:23 AM

lol

4:24 AM

how do i exclude a directory?

I don't know for find

its giving me a truckload of files in ./gcc

or check the install target in the Makefile

4:25 AM

that will probably give you a hint of where are the binaries

aaaaah less isnt in lfs yet

4:25 AM

that hurts

https://busybox.net/

4:26 AM

build a static binary

4:26 AM

wait I'll do it for you

1

4:29 AM

busybox

2.53 MB

4:29 AM

there you go

4:29 AM

./busybox sh

4:30 AM

./busybox less

thanks; so i put it in sources?

find . | grep gcc | ./busybox less

4:30 AM

in build

ok

but you could in sources too

4:30 AM

you'd have to change the path though

yea, ./sources/busybox

chmod +x also

does busybox come with gcc? if i dont find it i could also use that

have you seen the size of the binary?

oh ;p

have you wondered why it only took me 2 minutes to compile it?

not really haha

1

4:40 AM

i grepped x86_64

4:41 AM

nope :/

4:41 AM

(lfs chroot) root:/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build# make check
make[1]: Entering directory '/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build'
make[2]: Entering directory '/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build/fixincludes'
autogen -T ../../fixincludes/check.tpl ../../fixincludes/inclhack.def
make[2]: autogen: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [Makefile:176: check] Error 127
make[2]: Leaving directory '/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build/fixincludes'
make[1]: *** [Makefile:3801: check-fixincludes] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build'
make: *** [Makefile:2350: do-check] Error 2
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/gcc-10.2.0/build#

if you really don't find it, just get away, do a make install and then check from there

ok

you'll be able to test with the global gcc, it will be in /usr/bin probably

1

/usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../lib/crt1.o: in function `_start':
/sources/glibc-2.33/csu/../sysdeps/x86_64/start.S:110: undefined reference to `main'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status

4:46 AM

same thing

4:51 AM

the guide keeps intermittently downloading the html files instead of going to the webpage

4:51 AM

im thankful for rm

4:51 AM

rm -rf *.html

dill

same thing

bad thing

yep

try compiling the next one

4:52 AM

who knows

ok

well

5:00 AM

pkg-config compiled

maybe it's some early things that I don't know about

idk either

aaaargh

what?

been rickrolled 7 times today and i havent even had breakfast yet

6:38 PM

happy april fools day

srsly?

ye

wow

lol

I'm rickrolled once a month or less

my friends are very... chaotic

6:39 PM

my favourite music producer released a rickroll today

wow

yeah

heres the music rickroll

6:46 PM

Jim Yosef

Jim Yosef - Firefly pt. 3

6:46 PM

he actually remixed it haha

6:46 PM

and i asked him to do it in october

6:47 PM

or something

nice

yayyy

1:32 AM

halfway through package stuff (edited)

1:32 AM

i expect to be done by...

1:32 AM

april 6? idk

what

4:32 AM

xml::parser isnt there

nvm nvm nvm

nice

^ i think that says ubuntu haha

5:11 PM

i cant read ._.

yes it is

about to untar tar

5:37 PM

hey... i might actually be able to finish unpacking the pkgs today!

5:37 PM

and probably past that stage

great!

1

over 4 days uptime

my gitea server had 17 days until this morning

oh yikes

5:46 PM

what's it on

alpine

5:46 PM

it ran fine

host?

I upgraded it

5:47 PM

yes

what host

5:47 PM

thin client, laptop, etc

ohh thin client

5:47 PM

cool

Alpine is great for server use

ye, it's very lightweight (edited)

yep

6 pkgs left

Ok, so I've implemented digital signing for InkBox updates

11:24 PM

to come out in 1.3

tux-linux

Ok, so I've implemented digital signing for InkBox updates

that means one can't easily roll their own to try to jailbreak the device

also, gone are the can_update things

11:28 PM

i've figured out how to just have the user dump the tar.xz

nice!

btw, did you find a new mini?

yes, we're looking into shipping

oh nice!

my computer is being laggy and slow idk why

12:20 AM

ok i had to do a syu and syy

12:20 AM

and reinstall xorg

12:20 AM

all good now

well

2:09 AM

i screwed up arch

2:09 AM

after lfs is finished im reinstalling

2:11 AM

im very stupid

Good luck!

1

2:34 AM

Oh I see you're compiling the kernel Good luck for that too

1

thanks! :D

1

Do you have a better idea for what text I should put there?

no, looks good!

really? ok

wait

3:18 AM

maybe add an option for installing the untrusted one?

no, that's the purpose of the security policy

3:19 AM

it's to prevent installing the untrusted one

3:19 AM

you can disable that in diags

maybe add a developer mode like nickel, and only make it for dev mode

3:19 AM

ohhh

but it's set to do that in default/lockdown mode

cool

3:19 AM

i cant wait to see if i can get my mini (most likely yes), inkbox has improved exponentially

dill

maybe add a developer mode like nickel, and only make it for dev mode

yes, that's what "Reset as root" in diags do

oh ok

dill

i cant wait to see if i can get my mini (most likely yes), inkbox has improved exponentially

you'll be blown out

3:20 AM

(probably)

:D

3:20 AM

rn its compiling net/stuff

ok

3:22 AM

Should "Failed to install update" be replaced by "Failed to update InkBox" ?

yes

3:22 AM

sounds better

ok

3:22 AM

thx

1

someone put this on the gentoo server

yep, true

also search up vi on google

3:25 AM

and see what it says on "did you mean"

yeah, no doesn't do that

"did you mean: emacs"

#!/bin/bash

export VERSION="$1"

echo "Compressing update..."

cd /home/nicolas/inkbox-isa
rm update.isa update-bundle/inkbox.isa
cd inkbox-folder
rm inkbox-bin
rm oobe-inkbox-bin
cp /home/nicolas/Documents/inkbox-git/build-inkbox-Kobo_glibc-Debug/inkbox ./inkbox-bin
cp /home/nicolas/Documents/inkbox-git/build-oobe-inkbox-Kobo_glibc-Debug/oobe-inkbox ./oobe-inkbox-bin
mksquashfs . ../update-bundle/inkbox.isa -b 1048576 -comp gzip -always-use-fragments
cd ../update-bundle
mksquashfs . ../update.isa -b 1048576 -comp gzip -always-use-fragments
cd ../package
rm ./update.isa
mv ../update.isa .
tar cJvf ../update-$VERSION.tar.xz .
cd ..

echo "Signing update..."

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign private.pem -out digest update-$VERSION.tar.xz
cat update-$VERSION.tar.xz digest >> update-$VERSION.tar.xz.signed
SIZE=$(stat -c%s update-$VERSION.tar.xz.signed)
dd if=update-$VERSION.tar.xz.signed of=digest bs=1 skip=$((SIZE-256))
dd if=/dev/null of=update-$VERSION.tar.xz.signed bs=1 seek=$((SIZE-256))
mv update-$VERSION.tar.xz.signed update-$VERSION.tar.xz

echo "Verifying signature integrity..."

openssl dgst -sha256 -verify public.pem -signature digest update-$VERSION.tar.xz
if [ $? == 0 ]; then
    echo "Check succeded."
else
    echo "Verification failure!"
    exit 1
fi

echo "Creating update package..."

rm -rf /tmp/inkbox-update
mkdir -p /tmp/inkbox-update
mv ./digest /tmp/inkbox-update/dgst
mv ./update-$VERSION.tar.xz /tmp/inkbox-update
cd /tmp/inkbox-update
echo "true" > can_update
tar cJvf /home/nicolas/inkbox-isa/inkbox-$VERSION.tar.xz .
cd /home/nicolas/inkbox-isa

echo "Done!"
exit 0

For what it's worth, here's how I create InkBox updates (edited)

i can actually understand that; wow seems like a good process to me

yes, basically it creates the main update archive, signs it and then creates a "digest" of the sign

1

3:29 AM

then on the mini the signature is verified with a sqsh mounted by the initrd which contains the public key

oh i see; does each update have its own signature or are they all the same

if it fails, it drops you to the error splash

3:30 AM

they are signed using private/public key pair

how does the mini know if it's valid? where does the sqsh come from

3:31 AM

is there a different sqsh for each update

it's stored in the initrd (which is embedded into the kernel)

3:31 AM

I think you need to read more about what private/public key signing consists of

ok

here's update.sh

update.sh

1.67 KB

3:31 AM

wow, syntax highlighting in discord! awesome

haha i cant see the file preview because of some error or other so i'll download and cat it

3:32 AM

they have syntax highlighting; for almost every language under the sun :D

nice I didn't know that

3:34 AM

the key is mounted under /opt/key by the initrd, which makes it difficult to change the public key since you have to recompile the entire kernel to do that (the sqsh is in the initrd) (edited)

oh nice; can you use unset instead of rm for $TAR, etc

3:35 AM

is it possible*

no. I need to rm the file

oh i thought it was a var

yes

3:36 AM

I need to remove the file that the var points to

ohh

3:36 AM

so like $LFS

yes

well i can be quite dumb sometimes; sorry (edited)

it's ok

3:37 AM

there

yep

3:38 AM

looks good

ok, i'll push to gitea

1

3:39 AM

done

3:40 AM

I think I'll do the lock screen thingy in the coming hours/days

lock screen? you mean login, etc?

passcode

ohh

3:41 AM

thats what i use in nickel

3:41 AM

that's def useful

honestly, I reset my devices so often that I usually don't use Nickel at all except for connecting to Wifi

haha

the main thing will be to launch that after it wakes from sleep mode

i use nickel all the time; i've found quite a few good books on overdrive recently (edited)

should it be run at startup too?

yes

ok

wat

3:46 AM

done compiling??

3:46 AM

weird

kernel? it depends

i thought it would take till tomorrow at least

now you have to compile the modules

ye

that will take a long time

yep

3:46 AM

what the-

(well, probably)

it took a second

3:47 AM

what what what

that's likely not good

either my laptop is supersupersuper fast or i screwed up on menuconfig

3:47 AM

(lfs chroot) root:/sources/linux-5.10.17# make modules_install
  INSTALL drivers/thermal/intel/x86_pkg_temp_thermal.ko
  INSTALL fs/efivarfs/efivarfs.ko
  INSTALL net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.ko
  INSTALL net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_log_arp.ko
  INSTALL net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_log_ipv4.ko
  INSTALL net/ipv6/netfilter/nf_log_ipv6.ko
  INSTALL net/netfilter/nf_log_common.ko
  INSTALL net/netfilter/xt_LOG.ko
  INSTALL net/netfilter/xt_MASQUERADE.ko
  INSTALL net/netfilter/xt_addrtype.ko
  INSTALL net/netfilter/xt_mark.ko
  INSTALL net/netfilter/xt_nat.ko
  DEPMOD  5.10.17
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/linux-5.10.17#

oh so i t already built the modules

3:48 AM

in only installed them

3:48 AM

so you're good

wait what really

3:48 AM

oh ok :D

3:50 AM

where it says cat file.format << "EOF" can i use nano?

yes

because i installed nano and im more comfortable with it

3:50 AM

thx

1

but be careful to keep the formatting

formatting; got it

3:52 AM

grub-mkrescue --output=grub-img.iso

3:52 AM

error: xorriso not found

are you in chroot?

wait i forgot to read the note

3:52 AM

haha

3:53 AM

i dont need to make a rescue; i have a sysrescuecd

3:54 AM

cp /boot/grub/grub.cfg /boot/grub/grub.cfg.backup?

yes why not

ok

3:56 AM

# Begin /boot/grub/grub.cfg
set default=0
set timeout=5

insmod ext4
set root=(hd0,3)
 
menuentry "Elektrux GNU/Linux" {
        linux   /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.17-lfs-10.1 root=/dev/sda3 ro
}

3:56 AM

does this look good?

ro ?

idk it was in the example

3:57 AM

i seem to remember rw or something

it means read-only

3:57 AM

so it will mount sda3 read only

oh thats not good

3:57 AM

what should i do

rw

3:58 AM

but you better do a tar backup of the rootfs before you boot into it

where do i put the tar

somewhere not in the lfs part

oh ok i thought from the chroot :/

3:59 AM

haha

4:04 AM

are ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile necessary

4:05 AM

~ as in /root

it's better

ok

4:05 AM

and /etc/bashrc and /etc/dircolors?

dircolors should not be that important

4:06 AM

etc bashrc though may need to be done

ok; rewinding and creating a tar (even though it'll take forever ;p)

yep

4:07 AM

you can mksquashfs also

4:07 AM

either one will do

4:07 AM

though it's easy to get progress with mksquashfs

ok

4:07 AM

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo os-prober
/dev/sda3:Linux From Scratch (10.1):LinuxFromScratch:linux
[dill@archlinux ~]$

4:07 AM

i feel so proud (edited)

yep, great! now, will it boot

:D

4:10 AM

both arch and lfs

4:15 AM

#
# ~/.bashrc
#

# If not running interactively, don't do anything
[[ $- != *i* ]] && return

alias ls='ls --color=auto'
PS1='[\u@\h \W]\$ '

4:16 AM

is this good for /root/.bashrc

4:16 AM

i got it from /home/dill/.bashrc, maybe i should get it from /root

well the $ sign will be misleading

wait theres no /root/.bashrc

4:17 AM

oh #

bash should run without that though

4:17 AM

you should be ok

ok

4:18 AM

#
# /etc/bashrc
#

# If not running interactively, don't do anything
[[ $- != *i* ]] && return

[[ $DISPLAY ]] && shopt -s checkwinsize

PS1='[\u@\h \W]\$ '

case ${TERM} in
  xterm*|rxvt*|Eterm|aterm|kterm|gnome*)
    PROMPT_COMMAND=${PROMPT_COMMAND:+$PROMPT_COMMAND; }'printf "\033]0;%s@%s:%s\007" "${USER}" "${HOSTNAME%%.*}" "${PWD/#$HOME/\~}"'

    ;;
  screen*)
    PROMPT_COMMAND=${PROMPT_COMMAND:+$PROMPT_COMMAND; }'printf "\033_%s@%s:%s\033\\" "${USER}" "${HOSTNAME%%.*}" "${PWD/#$HOME/\~}"'
    ;;
esac

[ -r /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion   ] && . /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion

4:19 AM

with # not $

yes

ty

4:24 AM

rebooting

2

4:28 AM

ok so IT WORKED!!!!

NICE

but i forgot to set a root password :/

4:28 AM

haha

yeah just chroot back and passwd root

1

chrooting and setting it with passwd

4:29 AM

ye ok thx

1

4:31 AM

brb

4:31 AM

5 mins

ok

passwded

4:39 AM

sorry for delay

4:39 AM

exiting && rebooting

it's ok (edited)

aaaaaaaand... IT WORKS!

cool! congrats

thanks

4:46 AM

will send a picture in a bit

4:46 AM

now for kde! ;p

i suggest you don't do that unless you want to throw away your computer outside the window

hmm but then what ui

nothing

4:47 AM

you won't survive the install

i want a de tho

tux-linux

you won't survive the install

why not?

look at the blfs book and you'll understand what I mean

ok

because there is no "package manager". you have to find, download, extract build the package, the dependencies, the dependencies of its dependencies, the dependencies of these dependencies, the dependencies of those dependencies the --- (edited)

4:49 AM

so you'll basically have 100 tabs open at the same time in your web browser for all of those depends

4:49 AM

let me tell you, it was not great

yikes

4:50 AM

wait i could do wget tho

wget what?

like /sources

yes, they provide the source packages

with all the source tarballs

4:51 AM

and then the old tar method

but you have to keep track of what dependency you're in from what other dependency for what program which is linked to another dependency which is linked to the main program you want to build

4:51 AM

(and installing them in the right order in some cases)

ah...

4:51 AM

not fun

if you absolutely want a de

4:52 AM

openbox would be ok

xfce?

no

ok

probably not

4:53 AM

not kde because you'll have to build the whole qt thing

tux-linux

Do you have a better idea for what text I should put there?

"The digital signature of the update is not trusted. The update cannot be installed for security reasons." ?

2

qtk3

I think xfce is gtk or something

qtk3 hahaha

fermino

"The digital signature of the update is not trusted. The update cannot be installed for security reasons." ?

Just moved some words around hahaha

ok, i'll be back in a while

fermino

Just moved some words around hahaha

The digital signature of the update is not trusted. For security reasons, it cannot be installed

4:54 AM

idk

4:55 AM

yeah, i'll change not possible to cannot be installed

4:55 AM

thx

5:05 AM

does that look good?

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

yes!!

1

5:23 AM

lxde or xfce are what im thinking of

5:23 AM

~~a full commitment's what i'm thinking of~~

5:24 AM

lxde

5:24 AM

random image from google

xfce looks better as it has more features, what do you think?

lxde is old

5:35 AM

you should take xfce if you really want to do it

yep

5:35 AM

xfce it is

5:35 AM

going to install some things like sudo and lynx to make it easier

5:36 AM

make a user, etc

5:36 AM

can i still do it from a chroot? i dont like consoles to be honest (edited)

you can ssh to lfs

no chroot?

or you can drop in the busybox binary

5:37 AM

and do busybox telnetd -F in the console, you'll have a telnet server on LFS' IP

but why cant i do it from a chroot environment? or can i?

5:38 AM

i dont have any other device to ssh with

you can

5:39 AM

but it's better to do it natively

5:39 AM

you can install putty on windows (edited)

yeah

5:39 AM

vnc?

huh?

wait nvm haha

6:03 AM

6:04 AM

2

6:05 AM

I actually did it wow

Congrats

Thanks :D

But you have some work to do with network interfaces

Yeo

6:06 AM

Yep

6:06 AM

Enp5s0

6:07 AM

Looks like only lo

6:07 AM

Weird

tux-linux

But you have some work to do with network interfaces

Any ideas? I have no idea how to do this

Look at the init scripts in etc init.d?...

6:09 AM

Idk

Ok

6:09 AM

For the record

6:10 AM

Booting into arch

6:12 AM

back on arch

6:13 AM

xfce doesnt seem to have many dependencies

seem

ye

Did you look at the deps of the deps?

my friend just said this (edited)

6:19 AM

bahahaha

dill

my friend just said this (edited)

He must be banned

6:23 AM

Lol

yes

6:23 AM

haha

i think i'll reinstall arch now

tux-linux

But you have some work to do with network interfaces

kernel probably

12:07 AM

i'm going to look at the kernel config and fix it (and recompile it)

12:07 AM

before arch reinstall

12:07 AM

because i had to go for a bit

my brain hurts

@tux-linux http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/cgi-bin/lfscounter.php

1:34 AM

search "Dill"

yeah I didn't register there

1:35 AM

but cool

1:36 AM

yeah ok I just registered

1:39 AM

nicolas mailloux?

1:40 AM

ah

1:40 AM

your id is my id + 1 haha

1

anyways, installing sudo/wget/lynx/openssh etc to make blfs easier

well

2:49 AM

how do i know the contents of /dev/input/mice

2:50 AM

nvm i need to find out what protocol my mouse uses

evtest

1

i need xorg for xfce, right

yes

1

finished reinstall

7:05 PM

doing config

done arch setup

12:23 AM

signed into discord, reddit, google, spotify, etc etc etc

1

12:24 AM

about to chroot into elektrux so that I can do some BLFS

btw, alias rr='curl -s -L https://raw.githubusercontent.com/keroserene/rickrollrc/master/roll.sh | bash' will solve all your problems

12:37 AM

i know its a rickroll but its funny

did you see the new installer for arch?

5:42 AM

it's going to be the new ubuntu

5:42 AM

haha

dill

did you see the new installer for arch?

?

apparently, they added an installer to the media

5:58 AM

https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/archinstall/

5:58 AM

it's on https://archlinux.org as well (edited)

nice

yes, i might give it a try

6:02 AM

AAAAH my laptop just rebooted; then it gave me a "hardware error: cpu 0" and "cpu 1" and "tsc 1" from mce

6:02 AM

when i booted arch

6:02 AM

then it worked

doesn't ring a bell to me

and my cpu seems to be hot

6:03 AM

ok it stopped

... I just found out there's a game called "SuperTuxKart"

6:30 AM

:/

oh nice!

i don't know if i want to do xfce

5:50 PM

i'm just not feeling it

5:50 PM

if you know what i mean

Yep

pffft

7:52 PM

sudo rm -rf /bin/rm

7:52 PM

hahaha

you can say it's kubuntu - someone in r/linuxmasterrace

8:57 PM

"someone" is not right

8:57 PM

probably some xfce/openbox variant

haha

8:58 PM

true

tux-linux

"someone" is not right

no because kfc + ubuntu

oh

2nd option

9:01 PM

only if you must

true

9:02 PM

i'd go with 3rd or 2nd; windows isnt that bad for work/school

yep, only for work/school

btw, how do i customize GRUB (like, move the menu, mouse input, etc)

9:07 PM

I heard that it can be done

I don't know

9:07 PM

I don't use grub for much except... well, booting my OS

9:08 PM

... and why would you do that?

well, idk

You can edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg

1:31 PM

Or use a gui, like grub-customizer

1:31 PM

You always want to have a backup, though

thanks!

v1.3 is due out tonight!

yay!

(with nickel package)

double yay!

1

OK, spent 4 hours working on this shell script At least it's done now.

update.sh

3.74 KB

oh, nice

1

there you go

4:18 AM

https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/nickel/base/

doing it

5:06 AM

feedback tomorrow morning

5:06 AM

good night

1

OK, v1,3 is good; I'm seeing frequent screen freezes and needed to force restart many times; this happened when I enabled dark mode in the OOBE, when i flipped pages a few times in an ePub, etc. etc. etc.

Hmm ok I'll look into that

There's also a few bugs with page turning; the "previous next and options" bar disappeared after flipping the page a few times; that's also when I had to force restart

3:40 PM

Not to mention that when I clicked the cancel button on the file manager, it froze and opened up an empty book (???)

3:40 PM

Then I pressed home from the options and it froze again

dill

There's also a few bugs with page turning; the "previous next and options" bar disappeared after flipping the page a few times; that's also when I had to force restart

My Libra doesn't do that that often Probably some h/w issue

dill

There's also a few bugs with page turning; the "previous next and options" bar disappeared after flipping the page a few times; that's also when I had to force restart

Page turning buttons disappeared That's because the split file was too long

dill

OK, v1,3 is good; I'm seeing frequent screen freezes and needed to force restart many times; this happened when I enabled dark mode in the OOBE, when i flipped pages a few times in an ePub, etc. etc. etc.

Dark mode is not very stable Much of an experimental feature Try without (edited)

dill

Then I pressed home from the options and it froze again

Every time?

tux-linux

Every time?

no

tux-linux

Dark mode is not very stable Much of an experimental feature Try without (edited)

ok

tux-linux

Page turning buttons disappeared That's because the split file was too long

ok got it; should i try with a smaller file?

dill

ok got it; should i try with a smaller file?

no, a file with less line breaks

1

also i tried going to github.com but spelled it guthib.com hahahahaha

oh wow nice

3:57 AM

try this

76-0.txt

587.23 KB

1

it works!

4:33 AM

i recommend removing the words number per page

4:34 AM

it can break the reader

4:34 AM

also power button/keyboard are something to work on

4:34 AM

other than that, looks great!

it's because not all devices have the same screen size ;p

4:34 AM

power button is done on inkbox os

4:34 AM

puts it in sleep mode

ah yes, the screen size dilemma

4:35 AM

yeah, for the adds package

complete rewrite required

ah i see

but i'll see

1

4:35 AM

keyboard is ... coming ... also ... a web browser ... maybe ...

tux-linux

keyboard is ... coming ... also ... a web browser ... maybe ...

woah! a browser!!

4:36 AM

maybe i understand that would be really hard

but once you have your Mini, flash inkbox os on it and update to v1.3 you'll not be disappointed

1

dill

maybe i understand that would be really hard

well, I want to do something with Xorg and VNC

4:36 AM

I hunt for Qt VNC clients

oh that's smart

that I could embed in a window

4:36 AM

then run chromium

4:36 AM

and there you go

nice!

but all of my attempts have failed for now :/

tux-linux

but once you have your Mini, flash inkbox os on it and update to v1.3 you'll not be disappointed

Especially with the reset/diags/initrd/security policy thing

4:38 AM

but for the browser then again i'd have to figure out how to compile a working dhd.ko for the device ifconfig always throw operation not permitted error when trying to bring eth0 up

right, i just asked my mom and she said that it would cost $18 and be slow i said i didnt mind, because... i don't really ;p

nice!

root?

yeah

4:39 AM

well default is locked-down kernel

oh that's weird

4:39 AM

oh ok

to enable root you'll have to factory reset as root

4:39 AM

then update

dhd.ko... couldn't you compile it for armv7l on your Pi?

no, that's not the problem

oh, rooting built in

I compiled it

4:40 AM

but it doesn't work

4:40 AM

like, never

oh

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215303

Glo Getting WiFi to work with a custom kernel on Glo - MobileRead F...

Glo Getting WiFi to work with a custom kernel on Glo Kobo Developer's Corner

4:40 AM

tried that

4:40 AM

of course, didn't work

4:40 AM

but same problem

also another bug: when i hit cancel on the file manager, it takes me to my recently read book

4:41 AM

if i havent read any, it takes me to a blank reader with the page turn/options things

thats not a bug but a feature

4:41 AM

just kidding

4:41 AM

it was so "there" that I'd forgotten it

4:42 AM

like I just thought it should've been the normal behavior

dill

if i havent read any, it takes me to a blank reader with the page turn/options things

ok nice, but this is a bug ;p

Yep

4:43 AM

But no

4:43 AM

I didn't code anything that caught the cancel button

4:43 AM

Yet

ah

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/commit/d948375d037db832e120ba2898e6ce9e648b2f1a

Don't launch Reader framework on Cancel in QFileDialog · Kobo-InkBo...

1

gnome update

3:38 PM

nice

Gnome 40?

on arch, favourites bar is now at bottom

Oh

1:17 AM

There it goes

1:17 AM

Turns out ... the problem was the kernel cmdline hahaha

:D

3:55 AM

and now... in latest news... tap-to-click and natural scrolling is removed

3:55 AM

from GNOME!!!

i think its synaptics

bahaha

yep yep yep

4:23 AM

synaptics

so

5:14 PM

i need opengl but idk where to get the driver

5:14 PM

do you know?

5:15 PM

GPU: Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset

what distro?

5:35 PM

maybe xf86-video-intel?

arch

5:37 PM

thats my only distro now remember (edited)

tux-linux

maybe xf86-video-intel?

lets see

5:38 PM

nope

5:38 PM

i need opengl at least 1.4

maybe the gpu isn't compatible with it

tux-linux

maybe the gpu isn't compatible with it

yeah that doesnt have opengl HAHAHAHAH

8:57 PM

understandable, it's 11 yrs old

ofc

ye but the first version of opengl came out in 1992 or something

wow, picture of downtown edmonton

9:13 PM

2 hrs ago

nice

9:19 PM

it's beautiful where you live

yeah, how is it at laval? (edited)

ugly

9:27 PM

;p

haha, only looks good for a couple months here... ;p

well, sometimes we have great landscapes

9:28 PM

but Montreal is better

it's cloudy a lot here

dill

haha, only looks good for a couple months here... ;p

same here, but it's beautiful in winter too

yeah, i've been to montreal

today it's 23C outside

it's close, isn't it?

9:28 PM

let me see...

9:29 PM

8C here

dill

it's close, isn't it?

yep, the next door

nice

dill

8C here

i feel like i would burn up at 23C haha

it's cool down there in my room, about 19C

oh, your room is downstairs? i've wanted a downstairs room for a looooong time ;p

9:31 PM

mostly bc i share a room

yep, containing mostly old cameras and lots of ereaders not to mention a lot of electronics/computer/etc

nice, the only tech thing i have in my room is a pc thats slower than this laptop (because... windows)

9:32 PM

i might install ubuntu on it with dual boot

even ubuntu will be a breeze

9:32 PM

it's bloated, but way less than win

ah it is?

9:32 PM

didnt notice

9:33 PM

what is the least bloated? arch?

well... when you combine gnome, snaps, thousands of software into one iso

9:33 PM

it becomes bloated

9:33 PM

no, LFS

ah, true

9:33 PM

yeahhhh... not doing that again ;p

but Arch is good too

yeah

9:33 PM

snaps as in snapd?

yes

ah, the only snap i have is spotify

9:34 PM

and about that... is there a reason that media is so slow/laggy on arch? it keeps getting chopped up when i watch a video or listen to music or anything online (edited)

are you on firefox?

chromium

9:35 PM

but also on discord, watching vids

well, hardware

ah

but if it is faster on ubuntu

9:35 PM

i don't know

ok

9:35 PM

also, how can i make an archiso?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archiso

Archiso

9:36 PM

I'm due to make one too

9:36 PM

basically, it's a complicated spider web of shared X displays, chroots, cleaning, cleaning and cleaning again

oh haha

ok, going to take my bike and go outside take a few pics should come back in about 1h-1h30 goodbye

ok, bye!

1

9:38 PM

have fun :D

1

dill

and about that... is there a reason that media is so slow/laggy on arch? it keeps getting chopped up when i watch a video or listen to music or anything online (edited)

What's the CPU usage of pulseaudio? Is there anything requesting low latency from it?

well uhh it's snowing

pgaskin

What's the CPU usage of pulseaudio? Is there anything requesting low latency from it?

with wifi, it's faster, so an ethernet issue afaik

dill

well uhh it's snowing

:/

dill

well uhh it's snowing

nice! I like snow

1:32 AM

and yes, I was almost burning outside earlier this afternoon, so ...

tux-linux

nice! I like snow

me too! ...when it doesn't melt right when it hits the ground, that is

ah

yikes

yeah

1

4:12 AM

yikes, lot of snow

4:12 AM

:D

4:13 AM

And just think, it looked like that in the morning

dill

wow, picture of downtown edmonton

.

ok, so i'm working on blfs

6:35 PM

i've been motivated

@tux-linux

6:58 PM

sorry for ping

6:58 PM

but

6:58 PM

configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met:

No package 'xproto' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables XAU_CFLAGS
and XAU_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/libXau-1.0.9#

6:59 PM

and i installed xorgproto...

headache

7:50 PM

installed xorgproto AND xproto but no luck

7:52 PM

i am dying

[root@archlinux libXau-1.0.9]# ls /usr/X11/share/pkgconfig
applewmproto.pc    dri3proto.pc       kbproto.pc       resourceproto.pc    xextproto.pc        xineramaproto.pc
bigreqsproto.pc    evieproto.pc       lg3dproto.pc     scrnsaverproto.pc   xf86bigfontproto.pc    xorg-macros.pc
compositeproto.pc  fixesproto.pc      presentproto.pc  trapproto.pc       xf86dgaproto.pc    xproto.pc
damageproto.pc       fontcacheproto.pc  printproto.pc    videoproto.pc       xf86driproto.pc    xproxymngproto.pc
dmxproto.pc       fontsproto.pc      randrproto.pc    windowswmproto.pc   xf86miscproto.pc
dpmsproto.pc       glproto.pc          recordproto.pc   xcalibrateproto.pc  xf86rushproto.pc
dri2proto.pc       inputproto.pc      renderproto.pc   xcmiscproto.pc       xf86vidmodeproto.pc
[root@archlinux libXau-1.0.9]#

xorgproto-dev maybe?

8:08 PM

or something like that

k, lets see

8:09 PM

where can i find it?

in pacman

8:10 PM

no?

no; lfs

8:10 PM

chroot

tux-linux

in pacman

looks like a regular shell but its a chroot

8:11 PM

i changed the PS1

Ah

8:11 PM

so you did that? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/x/xorgproto.html

yes

8:12 PM

wait no

8:12 PM

http://linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/x/xorgproto.html

whatever

oh, fsck... was i supposed to do system v edition?

8:13 PM

i think i was

8:13 PM

aaaa

hmm. yes

uh ok

8:13 PM

lets see

but you did the system v edition

no

8:14 PM

i did the regular one

dill

http://linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/x/xorgproto.html

this one

yeah, it is the regular one

but, why are system v and regular separate?

 Beyond Linux® From Scratch (System V Edition) - Version 10.1
Chapter 24. X Window System Environment

ah

dill

but, why are system v and regular separate?

that freaked me out, and why is it 2020.1 in the regular one?

8:15 PM

and 2021.3 or something

no the 2021.3 is probably dev or something

oh

8:20 PM

i can't copy paste in konsole for some reason

8:20 PM

oh well

8:20 PM

configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-static

8:20 PM

is this urgent

well maybe not

ok

8:23 PM

nope (edited)

8:23 PM

gonna go "do something"

dill

nope (edited)

same problem:

configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met:

No package 'xproto' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables XAU_CFLAGS
and XAU_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/blfs-error-xproto-package-not-found-while-compiling-makedepend-1-0-4-a-4175453473-print/

8:24 PM

what is XORG_PREFIX?

[root@archlinux libXau-1.0.9]# echo $XORG_PREFIX
/usr/X11
[root@archlinux libXau-1.0.9]#

find / | grep xproto.pc

[root@archlinux libXau-1.0.9]# find / | grep xproto.pc
/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/xproto.pc
/usr/X11/share/pkgconfig/dmxproto.pc
/usr/X11/share/pkgconfig/xproto.pc
[root@archlinux libXau-1.0.9]#

then maybe export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/usr/X11/share/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig

wow, it worked

8:49 PM

thanks!!

1

configure: error: Package requirements (xcb-proto >= 1.14) were not met:

No package 'xcb-proto' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables XCBPROTO_CFLAGS
and XCBPROTO_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

getting an actual headache

did you get out of the chroot ?

no, why would i

I don't really know then

ok

9:19 PM

wrong path

9:19 PM

got it with a find and grep

9:20 PM

all good now

1

9:22 PM

now we're starting to see the deps of the deps ;p

don't build Qt

9:22 PM

that's my advice

no, for xorg libs

9:23 PM

but yeah, I won't build Qt

9:23 PM

or gtk?

or you'll seriously start to think about destroying your computer with a hammer

dill

or gtk?

neither

tux-linux

or you'll seriously start to think about destroying your computer with a hammer

heh

9:24 PM

oh yeah... you know what's fun?

tux-linux

or you'll seriously start to think about destroying your computer with a hammer

(maybe yourself too)

ls /*

tux-linux

(maybe yourself too)

yikes

dill

ls /*

:/ oh wow

ls -R /*

ls -R /*/*/*/*/*

what does it do?

remove the -R (edited)

9:26 PM

and only 3 *'s

9:26 PM

oh well

9:26 PM

yikes

9:33 PM

i feel like, when i know more about linux, i might make gnome/kde/whatever in lfs maybe

--2021-04-11 13:43:43--  https://www.x.org/pub/individual/lib/xtrans-1.4.0.tar.bz2
Resolving www.x.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘www.x.org’
--2021-04-11 13:43:43--  https://www.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libX11-1.7.0.tar.bz2
Resolving www.x.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘www.x.org’
--2021-04-11 13:43:43--  https://www.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libXext-1.3.4.tar.bz2
Resolving www.x.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘www.x.org’
--2021-04-11 13:43:43--  https://www.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libFS-1.0.8.tar.bz2
Resolving www.x.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘www.x.org’
--2021-04-11 13:43:43--  https://www.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libICE-1.0.10.tar.bz2
Resolving www.x.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘www.x.org’
--2021-04-11 13:43:43--  https://www.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libSM-1.2.3.tar.bz2
Resolving www.x.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘www.x.org’

9:44 PM

etc, etc, etc

9:44 PM

:/

try re-copying your resolv.conf

ok

9:46 PM

cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf?

9:46 PM

from outside the chroot?

yes

ok

yes

Resolving libxxf86vm-1.1.4.tar.bz2... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘libxxf86vm-1.1.4.tar.bz2’
--2021-04-11 13:48:57--  http://libdmx-1.1.4.tar.bz2/
Resolving libdmx-1.1.4.tar.bz2... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘libdmx-1.1.4.tar.bz2’
--2021-04-11 13:48:57--  http://libpciaccess-0.16.tar.bz2/
Resolving libpciaccess-0.16.tar.bz2... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘libpciaccess-0.16.tar.bz2’
--2021-04-11 13:48:57--  http://libxkbfile-1.1.0.tar.bz2/
Resolving libxkbfile-1.1.0.tar.bz2... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘libxkbfile-1.1.0.tar.bz2’
--2021-04-11 13:48:57--  http://libxshmfence-1.3.tar.bz2/
Resolving libxshmfence-1.3.tar.bz2... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘libxshmfence-1.3.tar.bz2’
[root@archlinux lib]#

i think i should run this on arch and shift it to lfs

9:52 PM

that was clean, did it and shifted with mv

https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/mor69p/ill_come_clean_and_admit_this_is_all_my_fault/

10:14 PM

and i'll admit that i've been redditing instead of working ;p

1

bahahaha

12:20 AM

my friend searched this up

12:21 AM

but he meant to say "dam", because he wanted to know what type of structure a dam is

wow

i messed my profile pic

12:52 AM

haha

yep

hang on let me change it back

12:56 AM

it's me again

12:56 AM

i have to go

12:56 AM

bye

tim joined the server. 4/12/2021 1:04 AM

Hi @tim !

Hello tux-linux, I joined as I am experimenting with your InkBox images for Kobo Mini

1:33 AM

I saw the reference to this server in mobileread's server, which I found through KoBox's site

Oh nice!

1:33 AM

You're my third tester!

1:34 AM

So, did you flash it to a microSD? How do you find it?

I just wrote 1.0 to a spare 64gb microSD, currently fiddling with the upgrade process to try and get it up to 1.3

Shouldn't be that hard, just extract the archive's content in the .inkbox folder

I was initially going to use a secondhand older hanvon device and try to write the ancient openinkpot to it but that sort of fizzled out, thankfully this project came on to my radar

tim

I was initially going to use a secondhand older hanvon device and try to write the ancient openinkpot to it but that sort of fizzled out, thankfully this project came on to my radar

Yeah, OpenInkpot is nice, quite outdated unfortunately

1:36 AM

I wanted to have full control over my device, so I decided to make my own OS for it

tim

I just wrote 1.0 to a spare 64gb microSD, currently fiddling with the upgrade process to try and get it up to 1.3

Well, 64GB won't be of much utility for now, because the onboard storage is limited to 1GB. That's something I have to improve though

Did you get the update installed?

Yes, was just writing up impressions

Oh ok, nice (edited)

The update process is clean and I have encountered no issues going from 1.0 > 1.3. I was impressed in the initial videos that were posted to /r/linux, but still very cool to see a not-hacked-together user experience for updating. PDF and picture viewing for non-purely-text works would be nice (and I imagine is already a future goal like larger storage support). Either that or having koreader/other premade viewers as an application one can start within the launcher. Overall, really impressed and look forward to following however this project goes. I do not write code for a living (limited bash/powershell/etc. to automate tasks I would perform repeatedly), so I do not know whether I will be able to contribute much on that front, but if I can help in testing do let me know. (edited)

2

2:18 AM

I get overly wordy so sometimes it is better for me to post one longer message with less duplicated text lol

Oh it's ok!

2:19 AM

The update process was quite... complicated to make, and starting at v1.4 updates will be signed with private keys that will disallow custom updates install unless the kernel is recompiled

2:19 AM

But I'm glad that it's working well now

2:19 AM

Thanks for the review!

Can one specify the pubkey it is checking against in case custom builds are required, or some buildtime option?

It's mounted by an initramfs

2:21 AM

*initrd

2:21 AM

The file is in a squashfs archive, so pretty hard to touch

2:21 AM

but yes, it is possible to change it

still good to prevent users from trying to flash a partial archive and bricking though lol

Yep

2:22 AM

Did you try diagnostics mode?

No, though I do recall something about it from the youtube video I viewed a week or so ago

just reboot, and slide the power button a few times when the green light starts blinking

2:24 AM

there you go @dill

1

I see now what you mean about diagnostics mode, I cannot compare it to earlier revisions (in case something changed in it between 1.0 and 1.3) but it is useful to have a limited recovery environment

Well, yes, you now have a soft-reset option

2:32 AM

But over all it's not changed that much

2:33 AM

If you want shell access, you can "Reset and allow root access", then enable USBNet

Ah, understood

ahh

4:38 AM

My touchpad isn't working again

do i need to reinstall arch?

@tux-linux

Reboot ?

done

4:57 AM

like 10 times

Syu? (edited)

done, that's what caused it

maybe a libinput update

did that 4 times

5:15 AM

resorting to a linux firmware and headers reinstall

nope

2:54 PM

nothing works

2:54 PM

absolutely nothing

reinstalling AL

3:07 PM

see ya

aaaaaaaaaaah

3:51 PM

it didnt fix it what the ffff

3:52 PM

distro-hopping to fedora i guess

https://github.com/ruslang02/discord-qt

ruslang02/discord-qt

Discord client powered by Node.JS and Qt Widgets. Contribute to ruslang02/discord-qt development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:36 PM

interesting, interesting ...

11:37 PM

actually, it's awesome that someone actually bothered to do this in Qt

nice!

12:11 AM

also, sad sad sad... it seems that liveusbs can't detect my touchpad either.

then it is probably dead

yep

oh well

3:05 AM

at least I have a mouse

3:05 AM

also is there a command-line discord? hahahah

yep but your account could be banned

3:06 AM

because it doesn't respect the terms of service, etc.

oh, ok

3:07 AM

"cordless"

yep

ah, saw the readme

Well. KoBox runs well on Mini and Touch now

3:46 AM

So I'm gonna ditch the old Qt-based reader framework and integrate an epub reader with chromium in full screen in InkBox that will work like thousands times better

3:46 AM

The rest of the Qt ui will still be there, of course

3:55 AM

on the Touch

It certainly offloads a large amount of work, found an appropriately licensed/resource-light/etc plugin yet? (edited)

I'll look into that, but I've seen thousands of them on GitHub

3:58 AM

I still yet have to do the bridging between Qt and node/java/etc

4:01 AM

what

4:01 AM

is this going to work, really?

not that it's going to be the best user experience but if you've got chromium working on it probably lol

it's ... 256mb of RAM

4:02 AM

oh the thing disappeared

ahhh

so maybe it's going to load

4:02 AM

I've got it running on a Kindle with 512MB of RAM though

I have inexplicable issues actually logging in on epiphany-browser when I use it on my pinephone, there goes the convergence dream lol

Oof, epiphany's not fantastic

4:03 AM

Install Falkon instead

4:03 AM

OOOOOOOHHHHHH

4:03 AM

4:04 AM

this is running on crappy hardware, 800mhz CPU, 256MB ram, and cherry on top, on an eReader! (edited)

4:06 AM

looooooool my VNC got shut down

4:06 AM

but it loaded!

4:06 AM

sh!t

4:06 AM

wait, I'll restart Chromium and try if I can get it working again

4:07 AM

Though, look at this

tux-linux

Well. KoBox runs well on Mini and Touch now

yaaaay

tux-linux

Though, look at this

WOAH!

Ok, after seeing the extreme slowness of Chromium when using it side-by-side with Qt, I think I'm going to give a try to NetSurf, it should be able to display that ePUB renderer For real web browser, I'll include Chromium but Qt will have to be stopped before

It seems we'll have a terminal emulator in InkBox ...

nice to have one

1

Does someone know why this is failing? I'm trying to write a "driver" for the Kobo touchscreen in C and libevdev can't open the input device because of invalid argument...

11:40 PM

evdev.c

938 bytes

11:41 PM

and here's the stack trace

strace.txt

8.57 KB

ok, got it open, finally. Used some example but I don't even know why it is working

1:08 AM

// Opening input device
    fd = open("/dev/input/event6", O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK);
        if (fd < 0) {
            perror("Failed to open device");
            return rc;
    }
    
        rc = libevdev_new_from_fd(fd, &dev);
        if (rc < 0) {
            fprintf(stderr, "Failed to init libevdev (%s)\n", strerror(-rc));
            return rc;
        }

sorry for not being on.

5:20 AM

i won't be as active as before for a month or so

It's ok don't worry!

1

what kobo would you recommend for both *box projects?

12:10 AM

touch or mini

12:10 AM

or any other, if they're even supported

@tux-linux found a touch for $50 nearby; will contact

12:56 AM

is it a good deal?

@tux-linux @tux-linux @tux-linux YEEEEEEEE (edited)

3:23 AM

I GOT A MINI

3:23 AM

i have it right now

3:23 AM

:D :D

I read too many visual stuff like manga to truly appreciate it given the tiny screen, but it is pretty great for purely textual stuff

3:29 AM

unfortunately no ebooks for the stuff I tend to buy, unless it's DRM-encumbered or only on the kindle stuff lol

I don't read many graphic novels/comics but yeah, the contrast is legendary

tim

unfortunately no ebooks for the stuff I tend to buy, unless it's DRM-encumbered or only on the kindle stuff lol

i don't buy ebooks because i'm a kid, but overdrive is beyond helpful

3:31 AM

it's why I got a Kobo rather than a Kindle

I should consider this, I think I still have library card but I got it when I was much younger so I have no idea where it is

3:31 AM

I had heard of digital lending through local places, but never investigated fully

where are you? (if you don't mind me asking, of course)

east coast of US

ah, I'm in Alberta (Canada)

3:33 AM

i tend to read books only once or twice, and then forget about them, so overdrive is ideal

I tend to only buy ones I am sure I'll use again like the field I work in or historical nonfiction, it's been a while since I read a novel

I only read novels ;p

makes me wish there was easy OCR or non-destructive ways to scan what I have

dill

I GOT A MINI

inkbox is waiting for you ;p

tux-linux

inkbox is waiting for you ;p

downloading ;p

dill

@tux-linux found a touch for $50 nearby; will contact

$50 ? A bit much

3:47 AM

I paid mine for $20

that's why my mom surprised me and bought me another mini today lol

Nice!

I see the mini going for 30-50 regularly

1

3:49 AM

and by regularly I mean the 2-week span between seeing inkbox and purchasing it on a whim lol

hahahah

3:49 AM

you might want to check out the OS image downloads as well

dill

you might want to check out the OS image downloads as well

I think he did

i'm gonna check on ddns

gitea?

where do i find the downloads lol

https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/mini/

3:51 AM

then you'll want to update to v1.3

got it

3:52 AM

thanks

which is there https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.3/

3:52 AM

ok

one of the screws won't unscrew but that's fine, i can insert/take out SD fine

3:56 AM

so can I just dd the xz?

xzcat img.xz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 status=progress

bs, conv, etc?

no

ok

out of paranoia I still &&sync lol

of course

I put a sudo in front of dd right

yes

3:59 AM

you pipe the output of xzcat to dd

yep, got that

and it's working

4:34 AM

about to update

4:36 AM

nvm i have to go eat, i've been fasting all day

4:36 AM

bye

so i went into the diags (great work btw) and went to diagnostics to see kernel version

5:05 AM

it mentioned nicolas@debian, is that normal

5:06 AM

resetting with root access

dill

it mentioned nicolas@debian, is that normal

Yes

5:28 AM

It's my 32 bit build QEMU VM

ah, i see

5:40 AM

overall, i like it! a lot! here are some recommendations/goals:

timezone stuff in settings
root access option in OOBE configuration
file formats (though it may be insanely tough)
"the bug" in which the page turning menu disappears
automatic screen size thing idk
KoBox integration (I know you are working on this right now :) )

1

dill

overall, i like it! a lot! here are some recommendations/goals:

timezone stuff in settings
root access option in OOBE configuration
file formats (though it may be insanely tough)
"the bug" in which the page turning menu disappears
automatic screen size thing idk
KoBox integration (I know you are working on this right now :) )

OOBE root access will never make it though. I want InkBox to be as secure as possible, so that's why rooting is only possible with a factory reset.

Well, my VNC trick worked! And now touch input is perfect for X

(I couldn't get my old methods working with touch input, so I had to find a new way to do it, and so VNC input via Qt it is!)

When you mount too much filesystems for InkBox ...

10:32 PM

mounts.txt

3.18 KB

tux-linux

When you mount too much filesystems for InkBox ...

YIKES!

wait

1:03 AM

when's the xorg update? (no pressure, just asking)

1.4 ? Probably not until next week

1

1:05 AM

I'm migrating everything squashfs to squashfuse because it supports xz compression and I'll be using overlayfs to mount read-only filesystems read-write, so less disk wear and etc.

dill

YIKES!

There is more to come ;p

1:06 AM

even df -h looks like that at the moment

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mmcblk0p3  2.9G  1.9G  912M  68% /
/dev/mmcblk0p1   29M  3.4M   24M  13% /boot
/dev/loop7      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /opt/root
/dev/loop6      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /opt/key
devtmpfs         10M     0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs           125M  8.0K  125M   1% /tmp
/dev/loop5     1008M  894M   64M  94% /xorg
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /xorg/tmp
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/run
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/dev/shm
tmpfs            25M  108K   25M   1% /run
shm             125M     0  125M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/loop0      253M  5.0K  253M   1% /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard
/dev/loop1       75M   75M     0 100% /opt/isa
/dev/loop2       11M   11M     0 100% /kobo/mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox
/dev/loop3       35M   35M     0 100% /kobo/mnt/onboard/.adds/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo
/dev/loop4       31M   31M     0 100% /kobo/mnt/onboard/.adds/Python-3.9.2
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /kobo/tmp
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /kobo/run
/dev/loop8      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /mnt
squashfuse      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /tmp/merged
squashfuse       10M   10M     0 100% /tmp/testdir

yikes

1:42 AM

that

1:42 AM

is a lot

Yep

1:42 AM

Did you try USBNet with it yet? (edited)

ah, for the initrd?

No

1:42 AM

Just USBNet

Nope

1:42 AM

why?

Well, if you want to look around

1:43 AM

idk

yeah i will :)

1:43 AM

i meant, what does it do?

you can set the flag in Diags

dill

i meant, what does it do?

SSH

i.e. what programs use USBNet?

nothing

1:44 AM

but you can play around and mess with the OS

not even Light Maps?

Yes, but you have to set up a bridge

ah

And that is not a trivial thing

1:44 AM

I mean, 50/50 chance that it fails or it works

1:44 AM

But you can SSH without a bridge

ah

1:45 AM

yep

hahah

1:46 AM

and

1:46 AM

apt moo

cowsay

yes

and also, do you know how to replace systemd with openrc on arch?

artix

it's a distro?

yes

1:49 AM

https://artixlinux.org/

Artix Linux - Home

Artix Linux, a systemd-free linux distribution.

1

and it's a copy of arch, but with pacman?

read the description

yep ok

1:50 AM

what's the package manager?

"based on Arch Linux"

ah

1:50 AM

this is useful btw

sudo !!

Well, there will actually be an update probably this evening or tomorrow; but that's only because I need to update some scripts before 1.4, otherwise, things will break ;p

2:06 AM

So probably 1.3.1 or something

2:08 AM

Hmm no. Just realized that it would break the update script too ... oops 1.4 then

2:08 AM

And so X will be v1.5

1

tux-linux

sudo !!

oh useful

2:24 AM

ok no problem

artix-plasma-openrc-20210101-x86_64.iso?

that old?

im just curious; i dont need artix ;p

3:00 AM

i guess

3:00 AM

its on the mirror and on the bottom it says artix 2017-2020

3:00 AM

so idk

take the most recent one

that's it

3:03 AM

there's, um, a huge group chat for people in my school district and i just, um, changed the name

3:03 AM

to... i use arch btw

3:03 AM

dill

to... i use arch btw

Nice!

3:04 AM

hahahah

you better change it back

3:04 AM

to avoid ... issues

no, people change it all the time

3:04 AM

it's a student chat

ah

not a staff one ;p

3:04 AM

but still... 2k members

3:04 AM

lol

9:40 PM

Little preview of the KoBox subsystem!

1

ah, a textmode browser seems like it would be an efficient choice for sites you'd probably want to read on e-ink (edited)

mobileread.mobi works very well on it

9:43 PM

(although there will be a real browser)

9:45 PM

Cool

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Nice, but YouTube?

11:27 PM

Lynx, right

it should work with chromium

Ah

no, elinks

Oh ok

11:27 PM

Still pretty amazing

1

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Touch? (Asking about both touch input and if it's on your Touch)

Yes

12:10 AM

Good one

12:11 AM

Well, I didn't have the VNC client started (controlling it from my PC), but I tested it with the Mini yesterday and it worked. I need to clean up things now and ship a viable update package

12:11 AM

Interestingly enough, the most difficult step when you implement big features like this in an update, is making the update package itself ;p

heh

coming up!

https://www.google.com/search?q=plasma+launch+program+at+start&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk02bSThcUz-9zmRk6PS2XN0my6sPcw%3A1618720509943&ei=_bZ7YPf8OPvR5NoPu7WhyA0&oq=plasma+launch+program+at+start&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQugdYng9g1A9oAHADeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwi37_Dn-4bwAhX7KFkFHbtaCNkQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

3.36 KB

12:24 AM

fuse-overlayfs permits to make a squashfs read-write

12:24 AM

so that's very cool, I can xz-compress X11's chroot into a 46MB mountable archive

1

how do i exit vim is a very valid meme

if you want more clarity

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mmcblk0p3  2.9G  514M  2.3G  19% /
/dev/mmcblk0p1   29M  2.9M   25M  11% /boot
/dev/loop7      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /opt/root
/dev/loop6      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /opt/key
devtmpfs         10M     0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs           125M  8.0K  125M   1% /tmp
squashfuse       47M   47M     0 100% /opt/X11/fuse/read
fuse-overlayfs  2.9G  514M  2.3G  19% /xorg
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/tmp
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/run
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/dev/shm
tmpfs            25M   64K   25M   1% /run
shm             125M     0  125M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/loop0      253M  8.1M  244M   4% /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard
squashfuse       75M   75M     0 100% /opt/isa
squashfuse       11M   11M     0 100% /kobo/mnt/onboard/.adds/inkbox
squashfuse       35M   35M     0 100% /kobo/mnt/onboard/.adds/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo
squashfuse       31M   31M     0 100% /kobo/mnt/onboard/.adds/Python-3.9.2
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /kobo/tmp
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /kobo/run
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /kobo/inkbox

wait

12:26 AM

ohh

what?

was just confused for a bit

sure, /proc/mounts is even worse ;p

12:26 AM

to give you an idea:

/dev/loop0 /mnt/kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0

oh btw how do i change the default text editor, it isnt in the plasma settings

right click on a text file and choose open with

12:28 AM

then select "make as default"

apparently it is, but when i opened up a txt from chromium, it opened vim

12:29 AM

and that's when i found out that i didnt know how to use vim or exit vim

you can uninstall it if you don't use it at all then

1

done, thx

12:32 AM

what's ricing? from what i can understand it's making your DE look good

probably

this is ricing

12:34 AM

random image from the arch server

It's perfectly understandable

heh

4:58 AM

yeah true

5:32 AM

I was so confused with the overlayfs/unionfs/squashfuse mounts that I made a diagram to actually understand what I was doing haha

hahahahhah

5:40 AM

i wish i had your handwriting

5:40 AM

mine is horrible

dill

i wish i had your handwriting

thanks

5:40 AM

i'm sure yours is not quite that bad though

a-haha-haha... i'd upload a picture but no camera at the moment

5:41 AM

trust me though, it's really bad

ok then...

5:41 AM

do you understand what the diagram does?

5:42 AM

there will be an extensions system for KoBox!

one second while i read it

ok

5:42 AM

good luck

i dont get it, but thats because of my lack of linux knowledge ;p but i understand it has to do with extensions (woo!), chromium, and xorg, ssh, and all that

you're right

5:46 AM

basically, main rootfs is a squashfs, gets 'merged' with extensions' squashfs (which are kind of an incomplete root filesystem themselves) that are themselves merged to one big folder containing all the incomplete extensions rootfs. so extensions are merged with rootfs, both read-only at thiis point, and then fuse-overlayfs does the r/w job

5:46 AM

complicated, isn't it?

5:46 AM

I can get lost very easily ;p

tux-linux

I can get lost very easily ;p

i can imagine

tux-linux

basically, main rootfs is a squashfs, gets 'merged' with extensions' squashfs (which are kind of an incomplete root filesystem themselves) that are themselves merged to one big folder containing all the incomplete extensions rootfs. so extensions are merged with rootfs, both read-only at thiis point, and then fuse-overlayfs does the r/w job

oh now i get it lol

thing is... df -h will probably have like 30 lines of output haha

5:47 AM

even worse, mount

heh yea

now that was the diagram ... I have to actually do it now

good luck ;p

1

6:23 AM

OK, made this. Now, let's see if it will work tomorrow...

gl with that :D

6:24 AM

what terminal and how did you get transparency btw

Guess I'm gonna have nightmare of endless mount tables

tux-linux

Guess I'm gonna have nightmare of endless mount tables

yep

oh it's QTerminal in my Debian VM

ah

it's LXQt, so

6:25 AM

I needed a desktop, but lightweight

ah, like lxde?

6:26 AM

just tried qterminal and it looks kind of ugly in plasma

No!

6:26 AM

In Qt!

dill

just tried qterminal and it looks kind of ugly in plasma

probably that the theme isn't well adapted

6:26 AM

I guess you could change that easily

tux-linux

In Qt!

except that ofc

you can also install guake, which drops down from the screen when you press F12

if you are on xfce bind f12 to xfce4-terminal --dropdown or wtv

doesnt work for me

6:28 AM

on plasma rn, but looking into xfce for linux from scratch

tim

if you are on xfce bind f12 to xfce4-terminal --dropdown or wtv

thx, useful

dill

doesnt work for me

Did you launch guake first?

guake

6:33 AM

presses f12

6:33 AM

wow, cool!

haha yep

System doesn't support transparency

6:33 AM

oh well

6:34 AM

how do i change the init scripts to launch guake at boot?

6:35 AM

Google is your friend

6:36 AM

I've got to go sleep! Good night y'all!

good night!

6:36 AM

i've gotta go sleep too, bye ;p

1

I'm finally a lot less busy now, so I'll have time to work on more Kobo stuff

7:40 AM

I'll probably start with some NickelMenu stuff

7:40 AM

Then, I'll finish the dictutil v3 update

7:41 AM

I'll also work on the Kobo emulation when I'm bored

pgaskin

I'll also work on the Kobo emulation when I'm bored

Nice !!!!

good morning :D

5:02 PM

Great to hear that, pgaskin!

Ok, so my crazy fuse/overlayfs/unionfs thing works

7:11 PM

And now I have 48 entries in my mount table lol

tux-linux

Ok, so my crazy fuse/overlayfs/unionfs thing works

great!

tux-linux

And now I have 48 entries in my mount table lol

hahaha

Here's the launch script FWIW

startx

2.09 KB

rcS or what?

no

wait no startx

it's launched by the initrd which launches the rcS

7:21 PM

(well the rcS launches startx)

dill

wait no startx

no, it is not the same thing at all

oh

So basically, it scans the extensions folder and merges all those mini-root components into the main root, and then it makes it r/w

oh ok

7:22 PM

how will you launch xorg from inkbox

Some button

applications > chromium?

It will not be "Xorg"

7:23 PM

yes something like that

1

7:23 PM

The user won't have to realize all the mess that is behind it lol

heh that's smart

7:23 PM

tip: if it's rooted, make it "xorg"?

Well, the default wm is i3

7:23 PM

So what could you really do (without a keyboard) (edited)

ah

I'll make a "Kterm" entry when the device is rooted

7:24 PM

from there, you can launch pretty much everything

that's better

Also, if you succeed in getting a shell and the device is not rooted, you can't do much because... X11 is another container/chroot!

7:25 PM

(when you're root though, you can use the SSH extension to ssh to the localhost from the chroot)

locking it down a lot, i see ;p

7:25 PM

good idea

Kindles have been my principal inspiration source ;p

7:25 PM

and maybe some Android too

7:26 PM

I already enabled SELinux in the kernel, now in the next releases I'll have to figure out how to make a proper security policy

SELinux, i assume means security encrypted linux or something

security enhanced linux

ah

developed by the NSA

cool!

yep

7:27 PM

ahhhh mksquashfs on the kobo is taking ages

7:27 PM

(I'm compressing the Chromium bundle)

understandable ;p

amazing that it even runs

it would take at least a few hours

7:27 PM

at least

not that much

really

It's about 200mb of data

oh i thought it would be bigger

7:28 PM

wait why don't you mksquashfs on a pc and transfer it to the kobo

(I just apk fetch the packages, then extract them in the proper directory to make a mini root with all the deps that I then merge to the main root)

dill

wait why don't you mksquashfs on a pc and transfer it to the kobo

laziness ;p

understandable

7:29 PM

i'm very lazy, that's why i'm on discord right now instead of working on blfs which i really should get started on again (edited)

It's better than having a homework to do

yeah, i'm in a "academic challenge" program which is more advanced, but we barely have homework

ah

we're not academically challenged, it's like a gifted and talented thing ;p

7:31 PM

although we say we're academically challenged heh

finished!

7:35 PM

kobo:/chromium/root# mksquashfs . ../chromium.isa -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdi
ct-size 100% -always-use-fragments
Parallel mksquashfs: Using 1 processor
Creating 4.0 filesystem on ../chromium.isa, block size 1048576.
[=======================================================/] 1094/1094 100%

Exportable Squashfs 4.0 filesystem, xz compressed, data block size 1048576
    compressed data, compressed metadata, compressed fragments, compressed xattrs
    duplicates are removed
Filesystem size 75421.65 Kbytes (73.65 Mbytes)
    33.92% of uncompressed filesystem size (222377.42 Kbytes)
Inode table size 13480 bytes (13.16 Kbytes)
    22.51% of uncompressed inode table size (59893 bytes)
Directory table size 14038 bytes (13.71 Kbytes)
    36.29% of uncompressed directory table size (38687 bytes)
Number of duplicate files found 90
Number of inodes 1761
Number of files 961
Number of fragments 72
Number of symbolic links  198
Number of device nodes 0
Number of fifo nodes 0
Number of socket nodes 0
Number of directories 602
Number of ids (unique uids + gids) 1
Number of uids 1
    root (0)
Number of gids 1
    root (0)
kobo:/chromium/root#

yay!

Now let's see if it works

1

so it's /chromium/chromium.sqsh?

7:36 PM

or .squashfs

no

7:36 PM

it is in /opt/X11/extensions/chromium.isa

7:36 PM

(which is exportable userstore, like onboard)

oh nice

Well... it's been 1 minutes since I typed the command. It's apparently launching, but maybe that XZ compressed squashfs were not a good idea for extensions ...

7:46 PM

(because it has to decompress all that on-the fly)

7:46 PM

So I'm thinking of switching to gzip for chromium at least

tux-linux

(because it has to decompress all that on-the fly)

yeah, that would be slow

ha, it spit out something (edited)

well why even compress it? just do .squashfs

tux-linux

ha, it spit out something (edited)

what does it say? (edited)

well, you have to compress it to make a squashfs

ah...

[1858:1878:0801/025133.866249:ERROR:bus.cc(394)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory

7:47 PM

normal launch messages

7:48 PM

it always does that

7:48 PM

so it's good

ah

7:48 PM

touch /var/run/dbus/system_dbus_socket or would that break it

wouldn't work

oh

but chromium can launch without it

ok

I really feel like I'm torturing the Kobo right now

i'd feel like that too ;p

90% CPU, 248/256M used

ohh dang

even top is struggling to output stats

serial?

yes

7:50 PM

but SSH too

ah

oh another output thingy

usbnet?

Failed to initialize ModelTypeStore backend: Init@./../../components/sync/model_impl/model_type_store_backend.cc:99: IO error: /root/.config/chromium/Default/Sync Data/LevelDB/000001.dbtmp: Could not rename file: No further details. (ChromeMethodBFE: 14::RenameFile::1)

7:51 PM

that's due to unsupported overlayfs kernel features (rename/mv doesn't work)

7:51 PM

but it seems to launch correctly now, another normal message got out

anything on the screen?

[1858:1908:0801/025519.431017:ERROR:bus.cc(394)] Failed to connect to the bus: Could not parse server address: Unknown address type (examples of valid types are "tcp" and on UNIX "unix")

dill

anything on the screen?

not yet

well we'll see

Though it's amazing I'm running Chromium, which is an xz-compressed squashfs archive, which is mounted in /opt/X11/extensions/chromium, which is merged with the SSH extension, which is merged with the base rootfs in /opt/X11/rootfs/read, which is fuse-overlayfs'd in /xorg, and then chrooted (edited)

yep

Ok, XZ for chromium is definitely too slow, the user will have to wait like 10 mins before it even thinks of printing something on the screen

gzip or bzip?

gzip

All the messages so far

7:55 PM

7.83 KB

7:56 PM

The middle ones are deeply worrying and the last one is normal

[0801/025850.167006:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libbsd.so.0.9.1
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.167297:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libbsd.so.0.9.1
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.168274:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libp11-kit.so.0.3.0
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.168556:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libp11-kit.so.0.3.0
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.169570:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libunistring.so.2.1.0
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.169853:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libunistring.so.2.1.0
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.170857:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.6.5.6
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.171141:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.6.5.6
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.172103:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libnettle.so.6.5
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.173057:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libnettle.so.6.5
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.174327:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libhogweed.so.4.5
  Error: No error information
[0801/025850.174649:WARNING:stack_trace_posix.cc(715)] Failed to open file: /usr/lib/libhogweed.so.4.5
  Error: No error information

these?

yes

7:59 PM

realized that the Qt gui was still running

7:59 PM

oops

7:59 PM

just stopped it

lol oopsie

the purple salvation window

8:02 PM

i.e. just before chromium gui

:0

It's been what, 20 minutes? lol

8:05 PM

Thinking about it I might just put Chromium in an uncompressed image file and mount it read-only

yea

Because I think gzip won't be enough

oops

8:05 PM

accidentally joined voice

8:05 PM

lol

Yes I saw that (edited)

8:06 PM

Poor Kobo...

yep

YIKES

1

it's that worse, yes

8:08 PM

Ok, appears to have progressed a little bit

1

8:12 PM

Also, there will be a VNC viewer in InkBox

1

8:12 PM

(with real touch support)

1

8:13 PM

Oh, 56% cpu for chromium now

8:13 PM

it's doing something

great

Imagine wanting to browse the Web and waiting 30 mins for your browser to actually launch

lol

8:17 PM

maybe integrate a kobo-like browser

8:17 PM

kobo-like as in, like the stock browser

that is difficult

8:17 PM

and impossible, since I can't compile webkit or webengine for a glibc version that old

ah

8:18 PM

links?

8:18 PM

graphical links?

links, you mean, the browser?

1

dill

graphical links?

hmm

8:18 PM

probably crap for everything beyond a google search, but maybe

true

I tried netsurf, that is a great lightweight one

8:19 PM

but only HTML4 and no JS so

oh that sucks

Mobileread in netsurf

that's actually pretty good

apple.com in netsurf

dill

that's actually pretty good

No.

8:20 PM

Well, yes for MR but elsewise

8:21 PM

I'm going to abort the launch of Chromium (wow, it's like I'm saying that it's a space rocket) and gzip the mini root instead

8:21 PM

we'll see what happens

tux-linux

I'm going to abort the launch of Chromium (wow, it's like I'm saying that it's a space rocket) and gzip the mini root instead

it's kind of like a rocket heh...

I'm running Chromium, which is an xz-compressed squashfs archive, which is mounted in /opt/X11/extensions/chromium, which is merged with the SSH extension, which is merged with the base rootfs in /opt/X11/rootfs/read, which is fuse-overlayfs'd in /xorg, and then chrooted

hahahaa

all on a kobo touch with 256mb ram (edited)

*touch

8:24 PM

but same thing

plus the fact that this is all on an alpine installation

which is started in a chroot from the initrd!

lol

I'll have to put the diagram in some wiki page or otherwise people (including me) won't understand what's happening

lol

8:27 PM

yeah

I didn't think that it would have worked in the first place

8:28 PM

I'm gonna go eat while the Kobo is making that gzip squashfs

8:28 PM

bye

Well, Chromium's not working very well

9:59 PM

can't load a webpage

oh well

10:02 PM

lighter browser maybe

yes

10:03 PM

I'll see if I can get qutebrowser working

10:03 PM

or falkon, who knows

yep

10:12 PM

qutebrowser seems ok

10:12 PM

i like falkon better tho

well, the main concern is the keyboard ;p

ah

wow

10:38 PM

where did you find that?

heh

10:41 PM

wait

10:41 PM

10:42 PM

wait just https:// yiff.forsale/gentoo.gif

ah

some nostalgia is coming up I'm using my Raspberry Pi again to compile packages in the aports tree

10:53 PM

(netsurf)

10:54 PM

I miss KoBox a little

tux-linux

I miss KoBox a little

well I mean kobox still exists

yes sure

11:07 PM

but it's been a while since I did things for that project

in fact let me launch it rn

11:09 PM

[root@snow ~]# ls -a
.           .local      dev         fs.md5sum   libexec     mnt         sbin        usr
..          Settings    drivers     inkbox      linuxrc     proc        sys         var
.config     bin         etc         lib         lost+found  root        tmp

11:09 PM

inkbox?!

11:09 PM

h o w

it's normal

11:10 PM

created by the launch script

but inkbox wasnt a thing back then...

it's like /tmp but more inkbox-specific

dill

but inkbox wasnt a thing back then...

are you in the chroot ?

oh wait looool

11:11 PM

https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/I-use-arch-by-rodebubbel/31716594.EJUG5

3.91 KB

11:12 PM

also fyi the touch thing is at /root/.utils/xorg-kobo-touch.py

dill

also fyi the touch thing is at /root/.utils/xorg-kobo-touch.py

why FYI? I know that, I made the script

no because you forgot before

Ah

11:12 PM

Now I remember where it is

brb

ok

ok lets see if this thing works

tux-linux

probably in some hidden dir in the root folder, i don't remember which

^

11:27 PM

HEY

11:27 PM

IT WORKS

touch? (edited)

wait no

11:27 PM

it registers touch

11:28 PM

but it's inverted

11:28 PM

across the y-axis, even tho theres a fix in the file

11:29 PM

htop works after some touch experimenting

11:31 PM

nice

note the upside down kobo

yep

11:32 PM

not that bad

yep

11:32 PM

pretty good but touch is completely messed up

11:32 PM

cpu is at 100 tho lol

11:33 PM

wait at the top it says 100 but in the stats it's 10.4 (edited)

11:33 PM

it also adds up so the top isnt behaving i guess

11:35 PM

lol i almost installed gnome

11:35 PM

yikes

dill

lol i almost installed gnome

very bad idea

i know

11:35 PM

;p

11:38 PM

checking out the thread to see how to rotate

echo number > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/rotate

11:39 PM

but you'll probably have to start it again and modify that command in the init script

1

i'll charge it and then try again

netsurf working!

great :D

it's not the best, but works well and is blazing fast

speed? unexpected to be honest

It's written entirely in C

i thought it would be slow

3:08 AM

oh that's nice

It took 30 mins to compile, but it's fast now

3:08 AM

I'm still impressed at how well my extensions system is working

3:09 AM

I just make the mini root in a squashfs and I put it in /opt/X11/extensions, and the initrd does all the rest for me

1

the update package will be fairly big this time, am i right

oh yes

well, this is very fast

3:23 AM

4.3 secs to load Mobileread.com

oh...

3:23 AM

wow

like with firefox it was like 30s

ok that's amazing

of course

don't mind the status ;p

3:41 AM

a friend of mine's status is "never gonna give you up", etc

ah ok

3:55 AM

i need that

woooooo

3:56 AM

cool

going to stick it on my water bottle lol

yep haha

although, what i want is one of those laptop stickers

3:56 AM

like the intel one

is that GNOME

4:04 AM

THATS GNOME WHAT

Well, with VNC

but still WOAH

Yeah, touch works perfectly

wait, i'll try

4:05 AM

wait no

4:05 AM

lol nvm

4:05 AM

waiiiiit is this kobox

yes

4:06 AM

in inkbox

i can try with my h2o2

4:06 AM

do you think i should give it a go

I have to package all the software first though

ah, so not a simple apk add gnome (edited)

No

lol sorry, was thinking about the thread

It's vnc to my computer

4:06 AM

Not in the kobo

ahhhh i see

That's why it shows gnome

i didn't understand before, but there's VNC? that's cool

Yeah a vnc viewer on the Kobo

4:07 AM

To view your computer's screen

hypothetically it could also work with windows/mac

(and for touch input in KoBox)

dill

hypothetically it could also work with windows/mac

As long as it can run a compatible vnc server

yep, which, chances are, it can

4:09 AM

so does vnc work by adding with apk, i could try this with my aura?

It doesn't work like that

oh

You have to have a working Debian 8 chroot

ahh i see

(which is tightly integrated in InkBox, but more difficult for native platforms)

how on earth did they get a windows-like taskbar on gnome

dill

how on earth did they get a windows-like taskbar on gnome

That's either dash to panel or dash to dock

9:00 PM

The theme looks like modded Materia, Adapta, or Vimix

9:01 PM

I'm not sure about the icon theme, but maybe Papyrus or Arc?

@tux-linux i will be more available for the next 2 weeks because i'm going to online school

covid lockdown?

no, just grade 7-12

1:04 AM

for 2 weeks

oh

tux-linux

covid lockdown?

it's only a matter of time

Ok, well nice (that you will be more available) Or not

dill

it's only a matter of time

hahaha Did it happen since the beginning of the year?

tux-linux

hahaha Did it happen since the beginning of the year?

no, gotta go

1:05 AM

bye

1

i only just came to appreciate the speed of linux compared to windows

3:49 AM

i have windows on this pc in my room

3:49 AM

and i'm on a fedora liveusb and HOLY

3:49 AM

it's blazing fast

1

dill

i have windows on this pc in my room

it's extremely crappy

3:49 AM

(windows on this computer)

3:52 AM

500gb. plenty of space, might install debian.

3:52 AM

will also be useful for school

my wifi on this seems to be blazing slow

10:47 PM

PC in my room

10:52 PM

Ok let's get this new Arch install going

i

12:33 AM

am

12:33 AM

f*cked

12:34 AM

windows wont boot due to an unmountable boot volume and now parents are gonna be angry

i am, shall we say, fscked

2:01 AM

;p

haha good one

luckily parents arent mad, they just want me to reinstall

2:46 AM

i just discovered ventoy

dill

luckily parents arent mad, they just want me to reinstall

While you're at it, why not try a dual-boot windows/debian/arch/anything?

2:46 AM

(since you're gonna wipe the drive)

thats what im doing

oh nice

windows/arch iso dual boot from ventoy, install windows first then arch

2:47 AM

arch first then windows*

i havent done two on one drive in ages

2:50 AM

wasn't the wisdom usually windows then linux so that grub doesn't mess anything up

2:50 AM

er, so that grub is treated as the preferred bootloader

tim

wasn't the wisdom usually windows then linux so that grub doesn't mess anything up

i had windows, then installed arch, then bsod

2:51 AM

so im hoping that windows after linux will avoid a bsod

tux-linux

While you're at it, why not try a dual-boot windows/debian/arch/anything?

maybe ubuntu (i'm hoping i can use this for school, and arch seems a little... messy)

2:54 AM

messy for working purposes

dill

maybe ubuntu (i'm hoping i can use this for school, and arch seems a little... messy)

Debian

2:55 AM

Ubuntu without the bloat

ok then

i did sudo ventoy -i /dev/sdb and it made an esp what

3:03 AM

note, i omitted the -g

booting into windows iso, wish me luck!

1

The best way IMO is to partition the drive, install Windows, then install Linux, then optionally install rEFInd

dont have efi

3:49 AM

thats what im doing thx :D

got it installed successfully!

1

4:42 AM

scared to install arch now

pgaskin

The best way IMO is to partition the drive, install Windows, then install Linux, then optionally install rEFInd

I'm mainly worried about installing GRUB and killing Windows again :/

Found this on reddit!

1

New tab switcher

Does this layout look OK? (notice new home button, top left, and I moved the time to the top right)

Yes, looks great

1

tux-linux

New tab switcher

Nice!

3:37 AM

About to attempt to install Arch again without breaking Windows ;p

dill

Nice!

Anything I should add?

Hmm, nothing immediately comes to mind. I'll inform you if I have any suggestions.

1

tux-linux

Does this layout look OK? (notice new home button, top left, and I moved the time to the top right)

It appears to save space well, quite nice!

1

thanks!

Installing 198 packages

4:31 AM

Havent even gotten to the DE yet ;p

4:35 AM

HOLY-

4:35 AM

Ntfs 3g last release was from 2017!?

yes

4:36 AM

Probably because it is considered stable

Yeah

It will soon be replaced by ntfs3

4:43 AM

Which is much faster

4:43 AM

It also works properly with Wine

YES!!!!

5:17 AM

It worked!

5:17 AM

:D

nice

Was quite worried

5:29 AM

Aaaaaaaa

5:29 AM

Lol

You install everything all at once?

8:35 AM

Oh, and you're a KDE person

8:36 AM

That would explain most of those packages

pgaskin

You install everything all at once?

Yep, I did a pacman -S plasma kde-applications.

6:23 PM

This time I followed a tutorial because I didn't want to break Windows.

6:23 PM

Normally I just get Plasma though.

@tux-linux quick question. Why does my cursor default to a Breeze cursor when I hover over my desktop background/wallpaper?

6:33 PM

I have it set to a Windows 10 cursor

dill

@tux-linux quick question. Why does my cursor default to a Breeze cursor when I hover over my desktop background/wallpaper?

Open source and free software

6:34 PM

Things can't always be perfect

6:34 PM

Did you restart KDE?

Nope...

well, that should help

Wait, restarting it now

Ok, it's working now

1

6:44 PM

:D

6:47 PM

Also, how do I hide this?

6:47 PM

(The top thing)

Did you look at the "View" tab?

yep

and... is there not an option to hide it?

Nope :/

hmm

6:49 PM

strange

dill

Nope :/

That's one reason I really hate Konsole

9:53 PM

Literally anything is better than Konsole

pgaskin

Literally anything is better than Konsole

I'll switch over to gnome-terminal

1:26 AM

1:28 AM

heh

this is mighty cool

4:38 AM

https://github.com/jdah/minecraft-weekend

jdah/minecraft-weekend

Minecraft, but I made it in 48 hours. Contribute to jdah/minecraft-weekend development by creating an account on GitHub.

48 hours

6:09 AM

wow

@tux-linux

[dill@archlinux minecraft-weekend]$ make
mkdir -p ./bin
cd lib/cglm && cmake . -DCGLM_STATIC=ON && make
/bin/sh: line 1: cmake: command not found
make: *** [Makefile:28: libs] Error 127
[dill@archlinux minecraft-weekend]$

pacman -S cmake

1

done

6:34 PM

trying again

6:35 PM

also i saw the responses to the inkbox thread

1

6:35 PM

:D

so i have a ventoy usb with a windows ISO. how do I install Windows 10 on a virtual machine?

12:22 AM

with either QEMU, VirtualBox, or Boxes, I don't really care

QEMU

1:01 AM

Well, maybe that VirtualBox would be better for windows-specific things

it's called "oracle vm virtualbox"

1:03 AM

have you ever used it?

yes

i have, but my skills with VMs are zero

1:03 AM

nice!

you can try with qemu but I didn't succeed in installing win10

1:03 AM

win7 works on it though

some people are recommending KVM

qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom win7.iso -enable-kvm -vga virtio -m 4G -hda win.img

dill

some people are recommending KVM

that's qemu

really.

1:04 AM

i had no idea lol

they call it qemu/kvm sometimes

ah

you're on the newer PC?

yep, but cant do it at the moment

ah ok

1:06 AM

I just spent the past 6 hours trying to write something that would launch ---- netsurf ---- without spitting out random "BadParameter" errors

1:06 AM

like, it was just a bunch of nonsense

ah

su -c "sh -c 'env DISPLAY=:0 chroot /xorg /bin/netsurf-gtk2'"

1:06 AM

y'see

i recommend releasing this in separate updates btw

1:06 AM

yep

dill

i recommend releasing this in separate updates btw

what do you mean?

dont release kobox/netsurf/etc in one big update otherwise it might break inkbox

dill

dont release kobox/netsurf/etc in one big update otherwise it might break inkbox

It sure won't

2:13 AM

It's already complicated to actually make an update package, where I need to test every single new thing that is added, imagine every possible scenario, correct and fix bugs

2:13 AM

So no, it will come as a big update

ah

2:16 AM

well the update package creation... will be very hard

ofc

also...

1

2:19 AM

and there we go!

I got there in QEMU

2:19 AM

It's in the OOBE setup that it went wrong

ah

2:20 AM

well this is gnome boxes

2:21 AM

it uses qemu tho, right?

yes

:/

why?

well it might not work so...

maybe it was my h/w

maybe

and

4:08 AM

there we go

hmm nice

1

now, because i am completely insane, i will get wsl

4:11 AM

because, why not?

what's the point

no point

4:14 AM

the windows philosophy: you can't restart without updating!

haha

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/mz0lct/linux_poetry/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

5:35 AM

That's clever

haha

5:48 AM

ahahha r/debianinrandomplaces is a thing

thinking of git cloning pacman into lfs

5:05 PM

but then there'd be all the issues with dependencies

5:08 PM

i need a package manager tho

dill

thinking of git cloning pacman into lfs

what do you think, tux-linux

Not a good idea

8:27 PM

You'll probably end up breaking the whole system due to libc incompatibility and such

true

https://github.com/benvd/lfs-pacman

benvd/lfs-pacman

Guide to using pacman as a package manager for Linux From Scratch - benvd/lfs-pacman

Oh well

9:11 PM

Idk then

:/

10:35 PM

so i should have referred to this while i was making lfs

You could try anyway

10:39 PM

Or maybe APT

hmm, yeah, but apt doesn't have the AUR

10:40 PM

i'll miss the aur haha

10:40 PM

i could tar up my system and put it on a USB, then boot off of it and try experimentally...

10:41 PM

with git clone

Yep.

12:45 AM

Guess what It runs Linux

12:46 AM

I'll connect it to serial to say hello to u-boot

a LEAPPAD?!

Yes

woah

12:47 AM

i had one of those, a long time ago

I'm just trying to figure out which is tx Rx and gnd

good luck

Actually, this exists

12:50 AM

https://github.com/mac2612/retroleap

mac2612/retroleap

Retroleap is a custom retroarch-based firmware for Leapster GS and LeapPad2 devices. - mac2612/retroleap

oh nice

and it's actually active

12:51 AM

(check the commit dates)

wow, that's amazing

12:55 AM

i haven't checked github in a while, but http://guthib.com/ might be my favorite website

it worrrrks

1:51 AM

well

1:52 AM

maybe not

1:52 AM

well yes

tux-linux

it worrrrks

what works?

input and output

:D

got a shell

great!

kernel 2.6.31-leapfrog

heh

arm926ej

1:54 AM

need to go eat i'll come back very soon

1:54 AM

this is exciting

yep, bye!

huh

2:10 AM

this thing has 43MiB of RAM

2:10 AM

lmao

LOL

2:12 AM

43mib...

wait I'll post some boot log (edited)

1

2:13 AM

boot log

https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/mz3biz/is_the_aur_down_for_everyone/gvyu0mj

5.76 KB

nice!

2:15 AM

but...

2:15 AM

tar: dev/watchdog: implausibly old time stamp 1918-12-25 06:18:09?

2:15 AM

wat

probably some rtc sync error

ah

2:16 AM

you rm -rfed NiLuJe? not very nice

2:16 AM

hahaha kidding

what repo?

nickeltc/update-niluje.sh

2:17 AM

so, understandable

115m of rootfs

2:19 AM

2g emmc

wow

looks like we have g_ether in there

usbnet? cool!

rcS with 290 lines

i'm setting up a bridge for KVM

2:34 AM

[dill@arch ~]$ sudo virsh net-define br10.xml
error: Failed to define network from br10.xml
error: (network_definition):13: Opening and ending tag mismatch: network line 1 and ip
</ip>
-----^

2:34 AM

br10.xml

284 bytes

<ip address='192.168.30.1' netmask='255.255.255.0'/>

2:35 AM

look at the two last chars

ah, i did a self-ending tag

2:36 AM

or... i forgot what those were called

2:41 AM

just QEMU isn't a full KVM

2:41 AM

Endeavor OS

2:43 AM

wow kvm is much faster than boxes (i don't know why but maybe it's because i dedicated 2048M memory and 2 out of 4 CPUs to the VM)

nice

2:48 AM

well leapfrog devs included a build of strace with the stock f/w

nice

2:49 AM

gotta go bye

bye

3:31 AM

uefi

3:31 AM

this is great

3:37 AM

archinstall is very nice actually

nice

3:42 AM

rcS (edited)

3:42 AM

rcS.txt

10.17 KB

"cosmic spaghetti"

3:43 AM

nice

yep haha

meanwhile, my uefi vm is installing arch

1

3:44 AM

aaaAAAAAA

3:44 AM

haha

what do you want to install?

plasma

ah

4:29 AM

yay!

4:29 AM

this is my theme btw

4:29 AM

i use it on all my plasma DE's

4:30 AM

not my theme but yeah

bahahahahhahahaahhaaaaaaaaaa

4:38 AM

4:39 AM

The AUR appears to have been accidentally DDoS'ed by Manjaro.

4:39 AM

"whoops"

wooooo

https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkg

KeithDHedger/LFSPkg

Package manager for LFS/BLFS. Contribute to KeithDHedger/LFSPkg development by creating an account on GitHub.

1

it looks like i just have to git clone (edited)

8:01 PM

and makepkg ofc

8:07 PM

kmix keeps lowering my microphone volume after i set it to 115 (edited)

8:07 PM

and my class can't hear me :/

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6245846

nice

12:10 AM

this is a real captcha

12:10 AM

and im on it right now :/

uhh

12:26 AM

about to try red star OS in a VM

12:26 AM

heh

dill

and my class can't hear me :/

Use PulseEffects with WebRTC auto gain and noise cancellation

dill

and im on it right now :/

C++

heh, thanks both

1

12:52 AM

hmm, should i use a bridge for the red star vm?

no

12:53 AM

a network bridge, you mean?

yep

never

alright

never connect that machine to the network

is this good

Can't you just "disable networking" ?

nope

12:56 AM

"virtual network br10", "virtual network default", "bridge device" and "macvtap device"

at the worst, disconnect the laptop from the internet while you test it

1

"no", right

tux-linux

at the worst, disconnect the laptop from the internet while you test it

oh yea btw it's a pc not a laptop :)

ah

12:59 AM

then disconnect the pc from the network

ok, and i press no, right

yes

1:00 AM

well no

1:00 AM

but yes

1:00 AM

lol

1:02 AM

oh...

1:03 AM

ok, i'll disconnect now

1:03 AM

bye

@tux-linux

2:03 AM

trying with more ram

2:14 AM

disconnecting

2:18 AM

it worked

2:18 AM

i'm changing the isolinux language to en

i cant

2:27 AM

(modify an iso)

2:27 AM

:c

dill

i'm changing the isolinux language to en

there are plenty of tutorials on how to install it on youtube

still

you can change the language later

yea

3:04 AM

also my ~mom~ turned off my ~wifi~

relatable

because i was ~overdoing~ it

relatable

heh

3:04 AM

well i have 2 computers

3:05 AM

i could just boot into windows but i dont have a user

3:05 AM

brb

3:07 AM

what was the tool for making isos?

in Arch?

yep

3:13 AM

mkiso or geniso idk

3:13 AM

ahhhh

3:13 AM

mkisofs

3:13 AM

right

xorriso

3:13 AM

one or the other

ah

but I don't think it's as easy as that

3:13 AM

you have to make it bootable

3:13 AM

I don't know how

i tried with mkisofs and it said that the directory didn't exist :/

3:14 AM

mkisofs -o redstar.iso redstariso2/redstariso

3:14 AM

redstariso is to make it english, because i dont have wifi :/ (edited)

what are you typing on?

my laptop

3:17 AM

(my pc is the one without wifi)

can't you watch the video from the laptop?

the laptop and the pc are at other ends of the house

3:18 AM

haha

3:18 AM

cant move it, because... ethernet/power

download the video and put it on some usb drive

so, i'm kind of stuck

3:18 AM

hmm yea

downloaded

3:30 AM

its on usb

installing...

1

well

6:18 AM

it didn't work :/

6:18 AM

oh well

6:19 AM

i'm going to bed now, bye

https://github.com/Adikso/BashBot

11:13 PM

i'm running an Syu from discord, what the-

11:14 PM

11:16 PM

hypothetically, i could chroot into lfs on laptop, run bashbot on pc, ssh to my laptop in bashbot, then use LFSPkg with discord

1

11:16 PM

bahahaha

hmmm

2:20 AM

how about: bashbot on laptop, chroot with pc/bashbot, then ssh with pc

2:21 AM

wait i can launch kobox/inkbox from discord lol

(lfs chroot) root:/sources# git clone https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git --branch 10.1 --single-branch
Cloning into 'LFSPkgBuilds'...
fatal: Unable to find remote helper for 'https'
(lfs chroot) root:/sources#

That's... bad

2:57 AM

You compiled it from source?

2:57 AM

Maybe check on LinuxQuestions if other people had the same error

tux-linux

That's... bad

It's an internet error

3:04 AM

(lfs chroot) root:/sources# ping google.com
ping: unknown host
(lfs chroot) root:/sources# ping github.com
ping: unknown host
(lfs chroot) root:/sources#

ah

3:04 AM

then you're good

how can i fix it :/

3:04 AM

and it's weird, im not connected but im on ssh

cp etc resolv.conf

3:08 AM

in lfs chroot

aahh, the interface was down

3:09 AM

sigh, one problem after another

3:09 AM

(lfs chroot) root:/sources# git clone https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git --branch 10.1 --single-branch
Cloning into 'LFSPkgBuilds'...
fatal: Unable to find remote helper for 'https'
(lfs chroot) root:/sources# git clone github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git --branch 10.1 --single-branch
fatal: repository 'github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git' does not exist
(lfs chroot) root:/sources#

can you ping?

yep

then... it's likely git, I'm afraid

(lfs chroot) root:/sources# ping github.com
PING github.com (140.82.112.3): 56 data bytes
<...>
--- github.com ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 68.895/70.123/71.700/1.172 ms
(lfs chroot) root:/sources#

tux-linux

then... it's likely git, I'm afraid

alright i'll see if i can reinstall

3:15 AM

idk how to uninstall a package that i compiled

3:15 AM

just overwrite it

3:15 AM

or normally

3:16 AM

there's a make uninstall rule

tux-linux

there's a make uninstall rule

i untarred and configured but no make uninstall

https://serverfault.com/questions/444289/how-to-uninstall-git-installed-from-the-source

How to uninstall git installed from the source?

I installed the git using this article. Now I want to uninstall the git. How to do it?

3:18 AM

that seems long

3:18 AM

but anyways

3:18 AM

if you can, try it

ahhhhh i know the problem

what?

first of all: no curl

3:18 AM

wait maybe

3:18 AM

and second of all... well this is 2.9.5

3:19 AM

the current one is 2.30.1 haha

3:19 AM

plus, i missed some steps because i didnt look in blfs book, i looked online :/

dill

plus, i missed some steps because i didnt look in blfs book, i looked online :/

shame on you ;p

1

3:19 AM

anyways

3:19 AM

with the BLFS book it should be just fine

3:20 AM

good luck

1

tux-linux

shame on you ;p

I didn't mean it of course

3:20 AM

just so you know

yeah haha

3:22 AM

2) Configure it exactly like you did with the original install with regard to installation locations (prefix, exec-prefix etc); supposedly you should just not override anything. 3) Create a temporary directory to perform installation, like this: $ mkdir /var/tmp/git 4) Install Git passing a proper DESTDIR variable to make: $ make DESTDIR=/var/tmp/git install The Git hierarchy will end up created under that temporary directory.

so... no make?

Read it again

tux-linux

shame on you ;p

the reaction was also not serious, haha

1

tux-linux

Read it again

it says configure but not compile

3:23 AM

idk

Read step 4 again

ah

Sometimes the compile step is also in the install rule

3:24 AM

c.f. BusyBox (edited)

(lfs chroot) root:/sources/git-2.30.1# git clone https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git --branch 10.1 --single-branch
Cloning into 'LFSPkgBuilds'...
fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git/': SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/git-2.30.1#

aaaAAAAAA*AAAAAA*

reinstall LFS

3:46 AM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

why

Because Y'know Linux From Scratch sometimes ... can badly break

yep

3:47 AM

:/

But look it up on LQ or something, maybe you'll find some solution

maybe i'll use a tarball instead of git

dill

maybe i'll use a tarball instead of git

How much time will you survive without it?

3:47 AM

I bet LFSPkgs use Git too

true

3:49 AM

asking on lq

dill

asking on lq

did you search for it before?

tux-linux

did you search for it before?

ye

1

3:51 AM

insert thonk emoji\ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/problems-with-ca-certificates-package-ssl-certificate-problem-4175674597/

Problems with ca-certificates package: SSL certificate problem

3:51 AM

i didnt install ca-certs

3:51 AM

maybe thats it

couldn't you git clone before?

dill

i didnt install ca-certs

If not, that's the problem for sure

3:52 AM

Since you didn't not follow BLFS and the deps

its not a dep

dill

its not a dep

then it's strange

3:53 AM

Well, maybe you did install it in LFS

3:53 AM

and not in BLFS

maybe, but i did a google search and it doesnt show up

3:54 AM

i'll go see if i did in lfs

there

3:54 AM

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/make-ca.html

1

3:54 AM

that should work (edited)

nope, not in lfs

3:55 AM

how do i transfer it to my laptop :/

well

ftp?

it has to download the ca certs

3:55 AM

so you'll need internet access

yea

3:55 AM

i know

dill

ftp?

I prefer a simple python3 -m http.server in such situations

thanks, and how do i retrieve the files?

3:56 AM

from lfs chroot/ssh

if you can access internet

yep

wget computer-ip:8000/file

(lfs chroot) root:/# wget 0.0.0.0:8000/home/dill/Downloads/*.tar.xz
Warning: wildcards not supported in HTTP.
--2021-04-29 19:58:02--  http://0.0.0.0:8000/home/dill/Downloads/*.tar.xz
Connecting to 0.0.0.0:8000... failed: Connection refused.
(lfs chroot) root:/#

3:58 AM

[dill@arch ~]$ python3 -m http.server
Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000 (http://0.0.0.0:8000/) ...

0.0.0.0 is a black hole

dill

[dill@arch ~]$ python3 -m http.server
Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000 (http://0.0.0.0:8000/) ...

.

just change it to the computer's IP on the local network

1

got it

4:00 AM

thx

1

I don't know if the package will want to install though

4:02 AM

We'll see :thonk:

4:02 AM

Without the actual emoji

4:03 AM

;p

lol

4:05 AM

i had to configure it --without-libtasn1 (edited)

1

4:06 AM

haha i mixed up l and 1

yep

checking if trust module is enabled... configure: WARNING: --with-libtasn1 is needed in order to build the trust module, disabling
no
checking for trust module paths... configure: error: need --enable-trust-module in order to specify trust module paths.
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/p11-kit-0.23.22#

wow

maybe try what it suggests?

yep

4:09 AM

configure: WARNING: --with-libtasn1 is needed in order to build the trust module, disabling

4:09 AM

configure: error: need --enable-trust-module in order to specify trust module paths.

4:09 AM

trust module.

4:10 AM

checking if trust module is enabled... configure: error: --with-libtasn1 is needed in order to build the trust module
(lfs chroot) root:/sources/p11-kit-0.23.22#

(edited)

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7520606.html

4:11 AM

maybe?

4:11 AM

last post

im just installing libtasn1

yeah sure, that should do it too

installed

4:16 AM

installing p11-kit

nope

6:12 AM

(lfs chroot) root:/sources# git config --global http.sslVerify false
(lfs chroot) root:/sources# git clone https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkgBuilds.git --branch 10.1 --single-branch
Cloning into 'LFSPkgBuilds'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 27006, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (8641/8641), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3229/3229), done.
remote: Total 27006 (delta 6078), reused 7531 (delta 5131), pack-reused 18365
Receiving objects: 100% (27006/27006), 11.61 MiB | 6.85 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (14688/14688), done.
(lfs chroot) root:/sources#

6:12 AM

boom

At a cost

tux-linux

At a cost

yep, true...

well... online school is extended :c

yeah I heard about it in the news

yea, my class is complaining :/

10:14 PM

kill = function(who){
    kill.who();
$this.scene.kill.dill();

my friend just sent this hah

they forgot the closing brace

yeah he did haha

11:03 PM

idk where to start with lfspkg... i'm not good at editing bash scripts and i'll probably break it (edited)

make a backup

11:03 PM

then break it

11:03 PM

;p

yea

General rule with Bash scripts: always check at least 5 times what you've wrote before running it

cd $LFS && tar cJf . <what????>

tux-linux

General rule with Bash scripts: always check at least 5 times what you've wrote before running it

yep, and the bad thing is, it's long, and i didn't write it

tar cJvf ../lfs.tar.xz .

11:05 PM

or the mksquashfs way

so then /mnt/lfs.tar.xz

11:05 PM

right

well, you could put it elsewhere

yea

11:05 PM

let me back up rn

tux-linux

tar cJvf ../lfs.tar.xz .

v?

do you want to see which files are compressed so you don't CTRL+C by running out of patience?

true

11:07 PM

wait it's backing up proc, dev, run and sys...

11:08 PM

should it do that

no

11:08 PM

you should umount it before

11:08 PM

or better, restart the computer

1

11:08 PM

and don't mount the additional filesystems, just the partition

ok

11:09 PM

i had to exit 4 times: chroot, ssh, su, and terminal haha

@dill , have you tried BSDs yet?

nope

11:57 PM

openbsd, netbsd, freebsd?

yes

not yet

You should when you have some time It's similar to Linux, but at the same time, very different

11:58 PM

It's a nice experience

yeah

11:58 PM

i'll try it

cool

only freebsd is... well... free, right?

... no

i thought they costed money

well

12:00 AM

*Open*BSD

12:00 AM

and NetBSD is also free

did not know that ;p

12:01 AM

i forgot to delete the source dir for linux 5.10.17...

12:01 AM

oof

12:04 AM

so now its also backing up /sources/linux-5.10.17/* as well... (edited)

ah

12:04 AM

that takes a long time

yep

12:04 AM

it's doing drivers right now

tux-linux

do you want to see which files are compressed so you don't CTRL+C by running out of patience?

i did that once

That's why I prefer mksquashfs to making tar backups

12:05 AM

(although you could probably use pv to see some progress, never had success with it)

which one is faster btw

no one

ah

if you compress with xz (which is what cJf does) you get maximum compression (and time) mksquashfs, same

12:07 AM

only that you can mount the backups as a disk image without uncompressing them before

yeah

12:09 AM

it finally finished compressing the AMD drivers

12:14 AM

so, uh, this is using a lot of cpu haha

12:14 AM

and it finished compressing the drivers...

dill

so, uh, this is using a lot of cpu haha

sure

as in 97.1

yep

12:17 AM

I sometimes have a QEMU KVM Debian VM with 4 cores enabled running, along with a Google Meet online class, a GCC workload running in the background and some 10+ tabs open in the web browser regarding various Qt/C++ issues

ah well it crashed

12:20 AM

which leads me to believe that i should use it with ssh

12:20 AM

without gui running

dill

without gui running

YOU HAD A GUI RUNNING???!?!?!?!

plasma...

dill

plasma...

even worse

yep

12:21 AM

have to get off (edited)

12:21 AM

bye

12:21 AM

:/

ok bye!

tux-linux

YOU HAD A GUI RUNNING???!?!?!?!

I mean idk how NOT to have a gui running...

ssh

(Not allowed on LFS laptop for now)

tux-linux

ssh

Wdym? It starts on boot

dill

(Not allowed on LFS laptop for now)

console

Ah

12:34 AM

But tty2 would still be running plasma

well

12:34 AM

killall X

12:35 AM

killall sddm

Ok

rc-service sddm stop

12:35 AM

whatever

isnt rc-service for openrc (edited)

12:52 AM

and X isnt a process

then Xorg or X11 (edited)

kwin maybe

dill

kwin maybe

No

dill

isnt rc-service for openrc (edited)

Of course there is

arch uses systemd (edited)

You're on arch?

12:53 AM

Ah

12:53 AM

Well systemctl stop sddm

killing xorg

tarring

1:01 AM

without the mess of linux 5.10.17

1

my cpu locked up and i assume my kernel panicked

then... it's probably the pc's age

ye

try sudo mksquashfs /mnt/lfs /home/dill/lfs.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments -processors 1 it'll take forever, but I think your CPU won't fry up this time (edited)

i'll try it thx

1

aaaaaaaa

3:31 AM

it randomly froze

3:31 AM

at 13%

well

3:31 AM

Unless you transplant the drive in the more powerful computer, I've got nothing for you

like, the cursor froze and so did the thing that moves

3:32 AM

alright

3:32 AM

hmmmm

3:32 AM

dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/dev/sdb? (edited)

3:32 AM

sdb is a usb

No

why

You could use SSHfs or NFS

3:33 AM

But all the things I tried with them failed

not familiar with those sorry

dill

not familiar with those sorry

Time to get familiar with them then (for me too ;p)

heh

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-sshfs-to-mount-remote-file-systems-over-ssh

How To Use SSHFS to Mount Remote File Systems Over SSH | DigitalOcean

Luckily there is a way to mount your VPS file system to your local computer so you can make changes on the fly and treat your droplet as local storage.

3:33 AM

that should get you going

why not dd tho?

3:33 AM

okay

then you just run mksquashfs from the powerful laptop

pc but yea

oh yeah sure

dill

why not dd tho?

takes an incredibly large amount of space without us needing that

tux-linux

takes an incredibly large amount of space without us needing that

wait

3:35 AM

sshfs, mount it, cp it over to my pc's local storage, then squashfs?

no

3:35 AM

squashfs from the sshfs tree

3:36 AM

that's network magic *sprinkle magical fairy lights everywhere*

3:37 AM

So it's like if the host PC's folder was becoming a drive/block device on the client PC

lol

3:37 AM

host, as in laptop?

yes

so host is the one with lfs.

yes

1

what is a droplet

probably digitalocean's VPS server or something

3:40 AM

you should replace it with "host", probably

it's a cloud computing thing

yes

let me grab my mouse (i only have the one mouse for 2 computers so i normally use the PC with the mouse ;p)

3:45 AM

sudo sshfs -o allow_other,default_permissions root@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/ /mnt/droplet

3:45 AM

what is xxx? is it the PC or laptop? :/

PC

wait, where do i run the command from.....

laptop

but, /mnt/lfs doesnt exist on pc

3:46 AM

mkdir first?

well; create it

yea

or you can mount it elsewhere too

but then that mounts my entire laptop on the pc, right? :thonk: without the emoji

No

3:48 AM

just the folder

3:48 AM

I assume you run sshfs from /mnt/lfs on the laptop

ohh ok

since that seems to be what it needs

dill

but then that mounts my entire laptop on the pc, right? :thonk: without the emoji

but maybe

Now we can use sshfs to mount the file system locally with the following command.

3:49 AM

file system

3:49 AM

not folder

we'll see

ok

3:49 AM

let me just start an ssh server

dows it have to be root@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/

3:57 AM

or can it also be dill

dill

3:57 AM

if you have write access to /mnt/lfs

3:57 AM

chown -R dill /mnt/lfs

1

ok lets see if this thing worked

3:59 AM

um no

4:00 AM

do i run sshfs from laptop or pc

laptop

it doesnt work

4:01 AM

are you sure

probably

4:01 AM

search elsewhere for another tutorial, maybe

4:01 AM

I haven't ever had luck with NFS or SSHfs

aaaaa now my entire computer fs is mounted on /mnt/lfs-

Wait

[dill@archlinux lfs]$ ls
bin   dev  home  lib64       mnt  proc  run   snap  sys  usr  windows10
boot  etc  lib   lost+found  opt  root  sbin  srv   tmp  var
[dill@archlinux lfs]$ ls /home
dill
[dill@archlinux lfs]$ ls /home/dill
Desktop    Downloads       lfsbackup.tar.xz   Music     Public  Templates
Documents  lfsbackup.sqsh  minecraft-weekend  Pictures  snap    Videos
[dill@archlinux lfs]$

sudo sshfs -o allow_other,default_permissions root@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/mnt/lfs /mnt/lfs

4:02 AM

I didn't see the second /

4:02 AM

*oops*

4:02 AM

sorry

no its fine

4:03 AM

lets see now

4:04 AM

n o p e

4:04 AM

/mnt/lfs is empty on PC

Did you chown it to dill?

NO it's supposed to be ran on pc

dill

NO it's supposed to be ran on pc

oh yeah

4:05 AM

oops again

sudo sshfs -o allow_other,default_permissions root@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/mnt/lfs /mnt/lfs is the mountpoint, which means it has to be on pc

4:05 AM

no lol its fine

I guess it could be either way too

4:05 AM

like you put root@... after /mnt/lfs

yea

um well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO61D9x6lNY that's ... an interesting 21:24 ... video

ssgelm

Outside In

:chinscratch:

lol

4:11 AM

and it worked

nice

[dill@arch ~]$ ls /mnt/lfs
bin   dev  home  lib64       media  opt   root  sbin     srv  tmp  var
boot  etc  lib   lost+found  mnt    proc  run   sources  sys  usr
[dill@arch ~]$ sudo mksquashfs /mnt/lfs /home/dill/lfs.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments

4:12 AM

is that good?

yes

1

4:12 AM

but is that really /mnt/lfs?

1

4:12 AM

yes

4:12 AM

ok

tux-linux

yes

I saw the sources folder and I knew

yep

4:12 AM

making

4:13 AM

[dill@arch ~]$ sudo mksquashfs /mnt/lfs /home/dill/lfs.sqsh -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xdict-size 100% -always-use-fragments
Parallel mksquashfs: Using 4 processors
Creating 4.0 filesystem on /home/dill/lfs.sqsh, block size 1048576.

4:13 AM

no output

4:13 AM

i mean no progress bar

dill

i mean no progress bar

it can take time before it appears

yep all good now

4:15 AM

Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/bin/klogd, creating empty file
[-                                                           ]    70/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/bin/syslogd, creating empty file
[-                                                           ]   387/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/.pwd.lock, creating empty file
[/                                                           ]   460/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key, creating empty file
[/                                                           ]   466/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key, creating empty file
[/                                                           ]   467/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key, creating empty file
[/                                                           ]   468/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key, creating empty file
[/                                                           ]   469/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/sudoers, creating empty file
[/                                                           ]   479/56997   0%
Failed to read file /mnt/lfs/etc/sudoers.dist, creating e

4:15 AM

???

ahem

is it bad?

Does it do that often?

what

Has it stopped by now?

no

Then

4:16 AM

Try a tar backup maybe

ok

4:16 AM

do i rm the empty files

No

1

tarring

4:18 AM

all good for now

1

4:20 AM

4:21 AM

X11 is coming up... slowly...

1

qemu?!

yep

4:25 AM

experimental only

4:25 AM

(you can run DOS on it)

oh nice

1

./var/tmp/git/usr/libexec/git-core/git-init-db

4:44 AM

ah... i forgot var/tmp/git existed :/

4:44 AM

that was my temp git install

oops

5:50 AM

And then...

:DDD

1

Nice, isn't it?

yes! (edited)

The difficult thing will be to package it together

true

For the Touch, it's an easy job since I can just upload the SD image

ye

For the Mini though...

does cc1 take this long to compress

6:01 AM

It's a compiler

6:01 AM

(cc1)

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

that's QEMU

ohh

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

NICE

It doesn't get to the shell but still

6:02 AM

DOS works

https://youtu.be/PO3qaFukgAw Here's why I like eink ;p

https://superuser.com/questions/529926/how-can-i-use-tar-command-to-group-files-without-compression

qemu Kobo touch

6:12 AM

(and slow hardware, sometimes)

nice!

6:36 AM

also cc1 is still compiling :/

compressing?

6:36 AM

then it's probably a network error

yea compressing

6:37 AM

aaaaa

6:37 AM

well i had to ctrl + c

6:37 AM

oh well...

6:42 AM

ls /mnt/lfs gives no output... and no prompt (edited)

6:43 AM

do i rm it

6:44 AM

@tux-linux

umount it

hmm maybe mount a usb on /mnt in LFS, then cp /* to /mnt/usb?

11:07 PM

but then dev/proc/run/sys...

11:07 PM

maybe cp to usb in arch with lfs mounted

yes

would that work?

maybe

but then the cpu would go boom

no, because you just cp

11:09 PM

maybe rsync would be a better option but I didn't try that

i've never used it

tux-linux

no, because you just cp

a lot of data tho

or maybe tar without compression

11:16 PM

How can I use tar command to group files without compression?

I have a very large folder of 120,000+ files. and I need to move them to another location on my same machine (same partition). I'd like to use the tar command to group them up as a single unit and...

would it not just melt my cpu

likely not, since you won't be compressing anything

i almost burned myself touching the computer yesterday

11:19 PM

.tar without .gz/xz/bz2?

yes

1

my mouse :/

11:21 PM

lol i kept clicking the wrong reactions

11:24 PM

have you ever tried GoboLinux?

11:33 PM

wat

EFI shell

yea

12:02 AM

rsync -avAXHS --progress --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} / /mnt/usb

(edited)

12:02 AM

on lfs

nice

would it work

I don't know

i'll try

Finally hooked up my Kindle to serial

cool!

I had to tape the cables since there are no holes

thats sad

yep

it might get disconnected easily

But I tried with another little embedded linux device yesterday, the pads were even thinner

yikes

12:18 AM

should i ask about my little ssl cert/network interface problem on lq? (edited)

if you want

1

12:18 AM

Tp3 and Tp4

1

12:19 AM

that was a vtech storio

12:19 AM

I got to a shell

wow

the busybox didn't even have a uname command

that's sad

I think I fried it up though :/

ah

tux-linux

that was a vtech storio

the eReader thing?

Well, it kind of powers on but it says USB booting error

dill

the eReader thing?

the board above

12:20 AM

it's an entertainement device for kids 0-8

no, the vtech storio is the eReading thing right

12:20 AM

ohh

12:22 AM

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/can-i-download-a-lfs-already-built-4175586845/

12:22 AM

:thonk:

why?

why would you want to do that

12:22 AM

yeah

12:23 AM

hmmm

Getting some inspiration for InkBox

1

this is interesting

yep

bingo

is there a solution?

1

12:37 AM

well... time to debug it i guess

compiling rsync first

what package does arch-chroot come in

idk

https://git.archlinux.org/arch-install-scripts.git/tree/arch-chroot.in

1

btw for devs, i recommend opera gx

1:59 AM

the sad thing is, it's only win/mac

tux-linux

I sometimes have a QEMU KVM Debian VM with 4 cores enabled running, along with a Google Meet online class, a GCC workload running in the background and some 10+ tabs open in the web browser regarding various Qt/C++ issues

for this reason

:/

yeah

ok, about to boot into LFS and attempt to backup

1

3:44 AM

hopefully it doesnt die

Yay!

4:12 AM

Its backing up

1

4:12 AM

And no hot CPU

4:12 AM

Nice

@tux-linux help?

some files

4:19 AM

well

4:19 AM

it partly failed but you should be good

4:19 AM

now, hurry to your powerful PC and tar that in xz

Yep

4:20 AM

Not allowed on the powerful pc for the rest of today because I overused it lmao

tomorrow then

Ye

4:22 AM

Looks like it's good!

1

sorry lol

1

ok, time to tar

done

hmm

10:29 PM

lspci comes in what package?

pciutils

1

Do I need to chmod or something?

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo lfs-chroot
sudo: lfs-chroot: command not found
[dill@archlinux ~]$ lfs-chroot
bash: /usr/bin/lfs-chroot: Permission denied
[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo /usr/bin/lfs-chroot
sudo: /usr/bin/lfs-chroot: command not found
[dill@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/bin/lfs-chroot
mkdir /mnt/lfs
export LFS=/mnt/lfs
mount /dev/sda3 $LFS
mkdir -pv $LFS/{dev,proc,sys,run}
mknod -m 600 $LFS/dev/console c 5 1
mknod -m 666 $LFS/dev/null c 1 3
mount -v --bind /dev $LFS/dev
mount -v --bind /dev/pts $LFS/dev/pts
mount -vt proc proc $LFS/proc
mount -vt sysfs sysfs $LFS/sys
mount -vt tmpfs tmpfs $LFS/run
if [ -h $LFS/dev/shm ]; then
  mkdir -pv $LFS/$(readlink $LFS/dev/shm)
fi
chroot "$LFS" /usr/bin/env -i   \
    HOME=/root                  \
    TERM="$TERM"                \
    PS1='(lfs chroot) \u:\w\$ ' \
    PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin \
    /bin/bash --login +h
[dill@archlinux ~]$

yes

10:37 PM

chmod +x

thanks!

1

10:38 PM

oh... that's nice

[dill@archlinux ~]$ sudo lfs-chroot
mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/mnt/lfs’: File exists
mknod: /mnt/lfs/dev/console: File exists
mknod: /mnt/lfs/dev/null: File exists
mount: /dev bound on /mnt/lfs/dev.
mount: /dev/pts bound on /mnt/lfs/dev/pts.
mount: proc mounted on /mnt/lfs/proc.
mount: sysfs mounted on /mnt/lfs/sys.
mount: tmpfs mounted on /mnt/lfs/run.
(lfs chroot) root:/#

yep

Let me try compiling a new kernel. Any idea where I can find these drivers: atl1c and ath9k?

10:56 PM

In menuconfig

somewhere in wireless options?

1

10:56 PM

btw, / to search

tux-linux

btw, / to search

Oh, wow thanks

11:01 PM

11:02 PM

Any idea why ps1 is like this

the-?

And bash 5.1

11:02 PM

Bashrc is normal

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57419044/remove-hyphen-in-bash-prompt

remove hyphen in bash prompt

My bash PS1 prompt is configured as: export PS1="\e[1;38;5;120m\n\s \V\$ \e[0m" It looks like -bash 5.0.7$ Having the hyphen, -, in front of bash is quite annoying. Does anyone know how I ca...

11:02 PM

probably your lfs-chroot script

No

11:03 PM

This is native LFS

ah

And it's always like this

what user are you?

Root, as there aren't any other users

11:03 PM

(And I need to be root for compiling)

dill

Root, as there aren't any other users

Why?

Well... laziness

dill

(And I need to be root for compiling)

False, why couldn't you?

tux-linux

False, why couldn't you?

Wait really

11:04 PM

Thought I needed to be root to compile and install

whaaaat

11:04 PM

never

11:04 PM

compile

11:04 PM

as

11:04 PM

root

Oh dang

random mishaps in the Makefile can destroy your system

Well... don't I need to be root to make install

yes

11:05 PM

only for install

Ohhh ok

11:05 PM

Let me useradd dill

1

(because a normal user can't modify /usr/bin)

Oop

11:06 PM

Sorry

11:06 PM

Lol

11:06 PM

11:07 PM

Whaaaaat

well

11:07 PM

you were in /root were you

(That was some random WhatsApp thing)

11:07 PM

Ye

/root isn't accessible by normal users

11:07 PM

do a ls -l to see

Yeah

so it couldn't getcwd (get current path) because permission denied

The password for dill cannot be changed

11:08 PM

I'm in /home/dill

11:08 PM

As root

no clue

Hmmm

11:10 PM

11:11 PM

Waaaait

11:11 PM

How am I dill!?

su dill

No but that gave me an error

change password as root

This is a wtf moment

11:11 PM

Ok

11:12 PM

I'm getting the weird getcwd thing but su works

11:16 PM

Hah I got the drivers

11:16 PM

Making

11:17 PM

This will take a while

For InkBox, building a kernel takes only ~8 mins haha 2.6.35.3 vs 5.x

Lol, but this has hundreds of drivers and things

tux-linux

For InkBox, building a kernel takes only ~8 mins haha 2.6.35.3 vs 5.x

That reminds me, I want to compile an InkBox kernel

11:19 PM

Maybe later

inkbox will have its own u-boot too

11:19 PM

I'm testing that right now

Sooo... the only thing that this changes is vmlinuz. Right?

it's possible to boot a different kernel when you press the home button on the kobo touch n905c

I could just cp vmlinuz over to USB drive

11:20 PM

Cool

dill

Sooo... the only thing that this changes is vmlinuz. Right?

If you built the modules embedded in the kernel

11:20 PM

(did you select * or M)

*

so it's embedded (edited)

Oh well

11:20 PM

Oh ok

done!

12:33 AM

and... it worked!

12:33 AM

thanks for the help!

1

might switch from arch to kali on my laptop

12:44 AM

idk, because it might break LFS

dill

might switch from arch to kali on my laptop

What would you do with Kali?

idk, im interested in ethical hacking

1

12:47 AM

ethical

12:49 AM

I still have no idea how to use lfspkg, and i dont want to bother people at lq

12:49 AM

or you haha

maybe ask on some IRC channel?

yeah

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/support.html

1

12:50 AM

https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSPkg/blob/master/README

KeithDHedger/LFSPkg

Package manager for LFS/BLFS. Contribute to KeithDHedger/LFSPkg development by creating an account on GitHub.

yea, but... this is hard, because I have to comment out all of the stuff that has $LFS and all' that

12:53 AM

because im in a chroot

12:53 AM

and they said to do it from a chroot so... idk

12:58 AM

about to kill sddm bye

1

Here's my updated version of the howto

HowTo

10.66 KB

1

you might want to consider making a pull request

pull request? why? this is custom

2:16 AM

like, for my system

ah, then maybe make a git repository with all your scripts/configs/etc (edited)

(like, changed file locations, commented out a lot of things, lots of other things) (edited)

2:17 AM

yeah... maybe

2:18 AM

let me try executing the HowTo

you didn't put the shebang

2:18 AM

#!/bin/bash

oh yeah

my profile picture is angry at you

2:18 AM

;p

lol

2:22 AM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.txt

7.8 KB

2:22 AM

wow

2:22 AM

now idk what to do..

install the necessary things

such as?

why did it include apt-get?

well thats just because i forgot to comment that out :/

2:24 AM

i may remake lfs with this

Did you remove some checketc and packageclean functions in the script?

because... it's very difficult to install LFSPkg after the base system is built

tux-linux

Did you remove some checketc and packageclean functions in the script?

no...

it would be surprising if those were real commands (edited)

the thing is, there are a bunch of things in /usr/* that are made with the temporary toolchain

you might have to start it over

what?

2:26 AM

lfs?

2:26 AM

yeah

yes

yep, may try with a vm first

2:26 AM

and the "iso install cd" thing

2:26 AM

let me see...

2:28 AM

https://github.com/KeithDHedger/LFSBootCD

KeithDHedger/LFSBootCD

Contribute to KeithDHedger/LFSBootCD development by creating an account on GitHub.

nice!

dill

idk, because it might break LFS

Cannot recommend using kali as your main OS, many tools/configuration changes made to that OS are so that it can be used as an appliance

4:00 AM

not as a reasonably secure desktop OS

4:01 AM

er

4:01 AM

whoops

4:01 AM

I meant to reply to your note about Kali, sorry

yeah, not gonna be my main OS. I use Arch ~~btw~~ on my other computer

4:42 AM

which i use more

well it's good to learn on

4:54 AM

just reiterating all that great power great responsibility stuff when it comes to offensive security tools lol

yeah

5:03 AM

def

AT&T UNIX system V

5:05 AM

it works on QEMU!

5:05 AM

I'm gonna try it on the kobo soon

nice!

1

Is that convincing enough ? ;p

1

2:25 PM

It will be embedded in the other kernel

nice

https://blackarch.org/

1

4:44 PM

4:45 PM

looks nice

dill

looks nice

as an alternative to kali

yeah, maybe

the lfspkg script installs everything

7:35 PM

like, the entire lfs system

7:36 PM

thats not really lfs

dill

thats not really lfs

But you did it before, so you know what it's like at least

true

9:23 PM

bahahah

Woooooooooooooooo niceee

im gonna do this

Then you just have to lose your teacher with allusions to the libc, the kernel, syscalls, modules, gcc, compilation, etc.

yes

9:29 PM

So I'm an admin in a server with some Twitch people...

9:29 PM

LFS

Nice

Funny how Plasma loads faster on my laptop than my PC... :/

11:33 PM

But PC is faster

11:33 PM

Ah well

11:33 PM

How's InkBox coming along?

slow

11:34 PM

but next release will have so much new features that you won't be able to count them all

1

11:35 PM

you can check the past commits on github to see what I added/changed

yep, doing that now

i think "InkBox GNU/Linux kernel" --> "InkBox Linux kernel" because... Linux is the kernel ;p

Read about that

1:09 PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy

GNU/Linux naming controversy

Within the free software and the open-source software communities there is controversy over whether to refer to computer operating systems that use a combination of GNU software and Linux kernel as "GNU/Linux" or "Linux" systems.Proponents of the term Linux argue that it is far more commonly used by the public and media and that it serves as a g...

So... I just moved, and the previous occupants are complete idiots

4:13 PM

They cut the coax cable because they couldn't figure out how to unscrew the connector

4:13 PM

And then tied it in a tight knot, damaging the cable

4:14 PM

The cable is just a long wire going up from the drop in the basement to the third floor, sticking out beside another outlet (edited)

4:15 PM

So now I'm out of internet for 1-3 weeks until someone comes to fix it

4:16 PM

I don't have enough data for VNC, only SSH and the web without media

Uh. That's a bummer.

4:21 PM

I hope they'll get it repaired as soon as possible!

pgaskin

So now I'm out of internet for 1-3 weeks until someone comes to fix it

Oh... wow

tux-linux

I hope they'll get it repaired as soon as possible!

Yeah

linux pro

1

oh...

4:42 PM

oh wow

4:43 PM

my lfs is 3.8 gb

4:43 PM

that's quite small

bahaha

5:13 PM

use something like grub to dual boot nickel and inkbox

never

5:13 PM

u-boot is nice

yea, the idea was funny tho

yep

i do a git clone https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel, right?

yes

1

i just had to sing a parody of the rickroll to my class :/

7:10 PM

that was horrible

woooowww

yeeeah

Don't forget to install the 32-bit libs

7:10 PM

(unless you use koxtoolchain or a custom 64-bit toolchain)

1

what libs exactly? (i have multilib and multilib-testing repos enabled)

probably something like libstdc++ and glibc for 32 bit

7:13 PM

wait I'll look it up

1

7:15 PM

Can you boot something else than Arch?

well.... windows...

don't have debian or something?

i have a debian vm

use that

ok

well, you'll need

7:17 PM

build-essential

7:17 PM

u-boot-tools

7:17 PM

lib32stdc++6

7:18 PM

lib32z1

7:18 PM

and that should be it

1

7:20 PM

BTW, no normal packages for next update, it's too complicated so it will be a complete SD image

i also have an arch VM

No

7:20 PM

Debian

1

tux-linux

BTW, no normal packages for next update, it's too complicated so it will be a complete SD image

nice

Because Arch needs you to actually compile the 32-bit libs, which takes forever

7:21 PM

(since it's in the aur)

7:21 PM

did you git clone already? wait

nope; the debian VM is in Boxes so I want to switch over to QEMU/KVM

7:23 PM

(with VM Manager)

ok, I'm pushing some changes right now

1

7:25 PM

done

7:27 PM

So now you can boot and clone it, then follow the README's instructions

7:27 PM

Don't forget to change CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE in the kernel configs

yep, thanks

7:32 PM

and ugh my computer crashed because of youtube...

7:35 PM

Debian uses a Calamares installer, right

Yes

ahhhh

you did not install it yet?

no; it's installing; but i can't see it

7:54 PM

been installing for a while

Strange

uhhhggg, i am so smart

7:54 PM

:/

Because ...?

idk how to switch ttys on a VM

it can be tricky sometimes

great, which tty has kde

7:57 PM

should i reboot and hope that it finished installing?

it will probably have failed but you can try

alright

7:58 PM

shutdown/reboot/poweroff arent commands, what

use sudo

1

it boots

8:02 PM

into sddm

8:02 PM

yay

1

8:02 PM

we need a discord bot that says Synchronizing package databases... each time someone says yay

8:04 PM

my computer is also being very laggy because... half of its resources are dedicated to the vm ;p

dill

we need a discord bot that says Synchronizing package databases... each time someone says yay

why would it say that?

tux-linux

why would it say that?

yay

aaah

good one

1

tux-linux

BTW, no normal packages for next update, it's too complicated so it will be a complete SD image

ok, and when

sometime this month

works for me

wait if im compiling on a vm, how do i get the kernel onto my kobo

scp

let me just look at the man pages

8:29 PM

what do i change CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to

the location of your initramfs source

8:29 PM

i.e. change the /home/build path to /home/dill

ah

8:29 PM

thx

1

8:30 PM

?

yes

8:31 PM

do that for each config file then continue

ah

8:31 PM

ok

if you only want to build for the mini, then you don't have to change all the configs

8:31 PM

but it's better

8:31 PM

so config-n705 and config-n705-diags for the mini

uh, pretty sure that was the only line i needed to change

8:34 PM

yeah, i don't have a touch

So you changed config-n705 and config-n705-diags?

only config-n705 at the moment

well you can compile a std/root kernel

8:35 PM

e.g.

GITDIR=/home/build/kobo TOOLCHAINDIR=$GITDIR/toolchain/gcc-4.8 TARGET=arm-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=4 scripts/build_kernel.sh n705 root

8:36 PM

change the GITDIR path to yours

oh nice

8:36 PM

do i have to change this?

no

1

8:36 PM

just the CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE

8:36 PM

nothing else

ok

8:37 PM

there's menuconfig

8:37 PM

nice

but everything is already set up

8:37 PM

you just have to run the script

yeah

8:37 PM

ah. no ncurses. oh well

libncurses-dev iirc?

ncurses-devel

ah yes

tux-linux

e.g.

GITDIR=/home/build/kobo TOOLCHAINDIR=$GITDIR/toolchain/gcc-4.8 TARGET=arm-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=4 scripts/build_kernel.sh n705 root

from what dir

scripts/build_kernel.sh

8:40 PM

gitdir, of course

yeah, sorry; had a brain moment

1

8:41 PM

(which happens often)

lol

8:41 PM

it's ok

1

all good? dd if=uImage of=/dev/mmcblk0?

8:47 PM

bs=1M seek=2048

8:48 PM

i think...

bs=512

ah

be careful

8:48 PM

but it seems ok

ok

huh

8:49 PM

you made two "kernel" dirs?

wat

8:49 PM

no, ~/kernel is the dir made by git clone

8:49 PM

idk, i touched nothing except config

oh

8:49 PM

my bad

8:50 PM

because in my build machine, the git dir is called kobo

8:50 PM

(since the git repo starts there)

oh i see

I was just confused

it's fine

so the script is right, the kernel should be in the specified path

yep

8:50 PM

my vm is connected to my wifi, right

normally, yes

1

looking at man scp (edited)

scp uImage-root dill@some.ip.address:/home/dill

1

do i do this from usbnet or...?

scp?

i did

8:56 PM

how do i get it to the kobo

you can just take the microsd out

8:56 PM

but usbnet is fine too

ah, ok

did you try usbnet yet?

no

8:56 PM

from... diags, right

you enable it in diags

8:57 PM

in "flags"

ah

but there's also an "emergency recovery shell" option in the "Diagnostics" tab which starts a telnet server on 192.168.2.2

telnet or ssh?

ssh on main system (edited)

8:58 PM

telnet in diags

ah

and ... serial in initrd-diags ;p

Did it work?

opening up the thing right now

1

9:14 PM

lol this is harder than i remembered

9:17 PM

pain

did you try with a credit card?

aha! got it!

tux-linux

did you try with a credit card?

i would but my parents are busy and my wallet isnt in my room

ah

9:19 PM

Well if it's not a credit card, I usually slaughter my school ID card or bus pass ;p

lol

9:19 PM

i slaughtered my library card last time

off-topic What should I put in the 'Utilities' section of the initrd-diags?

hmmm

I have

9:20 PM

Erase MMC

9:20 PM

Download and flash new kernel (XMODEM)

9:20 PM

Download and flash bootloader (XMODEM)

9:20 PM

and that's about it...

all

nothing else?

hold on

ok

my class is doing something

np

"kahoot"

hahaha

have you done it before

we do that too sometimes

9:23 PM

well I'll leave you with your class

1

9:23 PM

come back when you can

yep

9:26 PM

back

1

9:28 PM

sd seems to be sdb

then dd to sdb

so sudo dd if=uImage-root of=/dev/sdb bs=512 status=progress seek=2048 (edited)

yes

ok

9:29 PM

done

1

now to see if it boots...

yep... it didn't

9:33 PM

oh well

nothing?

flashing light

if you try to slide the power button a couple times to boot in diags, does it work?

let me see

if it got to a flashing light, then it booted the kernel

9:34 PM

so at least that part is good

no diags

then ... I guess the only way to know what's wrong is serial do you have your old Mini?

ye

9:36 PM

i think

9:36 PM

but cant get it rn

9:36 PM

and remember, the thing with the arduino

no problem, when you can

1

dill

and remember, the thing with the arduino

yes, I know, maybe it will work this time

yep (edited)

my teacher called my other teacher cabbage

9:50 PM

wait no

9:50 PM

savage

whooops

because of the rickroll thing

9:50 PM

lol

dill

my teacher called my other teacher cabbage

c a b b a g e

1

9:56 PM

another brain moment; ah well

fwiw, here's the initrd diags bash script

9:58 PM

diags.sh

9.4 KB

yup thanks

1

9:59 PM

going to get my arduino after class

1

280.0 cpu

10:11 PM

wow

Some progress

3:15 AM

3:16 AM

And here's a sample boot log

bootlog.txt

2.83 KB

nice!

1

Anything I should add?

how is input achieved? is it touch?

No, as I said, serial, especially for security reasons

but... this is the diags partition?

3:22 AM

wait no it isnt

(you don't want an user with a locked down device to be able to access a shell)

ah true

dill

wait no it isnt

It's another kernel

ohhhh ok

It boots when you press the Home button on the Touch

3:23 AM

and could probably be adapted via a software option for the Mini

yeah

Its main purpose is to provide you a recovery environment when you've screwed everything else up

ah ok

3:24 AM

Erase MMC? why?

Idk, if you want to start over or something

1

and, is this an initramfs or...

no

3:24 AM

initrd

oh ok (edited)

Well, they're pretty much the same, but there are a few differences

3:25 AM

It allows you to download a kernel with the xmodem protocol via serial i.e. transfer a file on a serial connection takes about 8 minutes for ... 4MiB

1

3:25 AM

but... it's an emergency environment ... so...

3:26 AM

I also put some diagnostics/tests if ever InkBox gets sold in new ereaders (my dream) e.g., graphics gray scale test, sleep mode test

tux-linux

I also put some diagnostics/tests if ever InkBox gets sold in new ereaders (my dream) e.g., graphics gray scale test, sleep mode test

heh, yeah, that would be awesome (edited)

first e-reader company to have the software entirely open source

3:27 AM

(because... GPLv3 you know)

yeah

tux-linux

Anything I should add?

memory test? idk, it looks good

Hmm great idea

1

3:32 AM

I just need to find a program that's small enough to run on my chroot

3:32 AM

(kernel max size is 8mb now since I recompiled U-Boot with my custom settings, but it's still not a lot)

ah

That's starting to become a pretty dangerous script... (edited)

4:24 AM

oh... oh dang

Yep.

why not dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk0

4:30 AM

or /dev/zero

I put zero

wait nvm

4:30 AM

im dumb

4:33 AM

what are you using to edit it?

vim

ah... vim

4:34 AM

heh, i prefer nano

4:34 AM

~~because i dont know how to edit a file with vim~~

Ah

~~only commands and things~~

4:35 AM

lol, it has 2 modes, command and edit, right

4:35 AM

idk how to get to edit :/

https://devhints.io/vim

Vim cheatsheet

One-page guide to Vim: usage, examples, and more. Vim is a very efficient text editor. This reference was made for Vim 8.0. For shortcut notation, see :help key-notation.

1

how do i exit vim is a meme

ESC + : + q + Enter

:qa or :qa!

I use q!

ah

Got an idea for testing that erase option; just gonna remove the MicroSD before, since the kernel/initrd are loaded in RAM

4:57 AM

Yeah... this is kind of a dangerous 'feature' lol

yup

uhm

Well it depends

Yea

seeing its username (edited)

"it's insecure and the packages aren't well maintained"

5:40 PM

yeah true

dill

"it's insecure and the packages aren't well maintained"

What if the AUR didn't exist?

5:40 PM

Tell him that

5:40 PM

Arch would surely be worse

yeah

5:42 PM

1

interesting discussion

yup

5:44 PM

gentoo server

what a surprise...

Pipe heaven ;p

6:29 PM

ah lol

6:29 PM

memory test?

yes

[dill@arch ~]$ cat /proc/meminfo | head -n 1 | cut -d' ' -f2- | tr -d 'kB' | tr -d ' ' | echo "`cat`/2" | bc 
2994804
[dill@arch ~]$

6:30 PM

total ram / 2

ah

(in kB)

what distro do you use for inkbox developing? ubuntu?

yes

nice

I should've took Debian

7:30 PM

but anyways

7:31 PM

I once got back to Arch two weeks ago (liveusb) and ran my Ubuntu install in a QEMU virtual machine (hardware passthrough) I did not like the fact that my entire debian 32-bit vm was wiped off the disk when I rebooted into plain ubuntu (edited)

7:31 PM

so from now on I won't do that again

tux-linux

I once got back to Arch two weeks ago (liveusb) and ran my Ubuntu install in a QEMU virtual machine (hardware passthrough) I did not like the fact that my entire debian 32-bit vm was wiped off the disk when I rebooted into plain ubuntu (edited)

yeah that sucks

I had to reinstall everything, I almost lost all of my kernel customizations, initrd, long rcS scripts, configs, etc. Fortunately I still had my two Kobos running the last compiled kernel, so I extracted everything from them

tux-linux

I had to reinstall everything, I almost lost all of my kernel customizations, initrd, long rcS scripts, configs, etc. Fortunately I still had my two Kobos running the last compiled kernel, so I extracted everything from them

aaaa....

That's where I thought 'hey, Git exists, you know?'

lol

so yeah, the first commit made to the kernel repo was right after I lost all of that

how do i install a deb package with dpkg?

8:34 PM

dpkg installs Debian package manager.
    This is useful for those who want to create/modify DEB files.
    However, *do not* use dpkg to install Debian packages in your ArchLinux machine.
    This will break your system!
    You will need to go back to Arch wiki and read the installation guide again.
    You've been warned!
:: Running post-transaction hooks...
(1/1) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
[dill@arch ~]$

8:34 PM

ah

8:35 PM

yeeeah uninstalled

dpkg -i

9:02 PM

but there's a converter from deb to arch package though

[dill@arch ~]$ steam
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 117: VERSION_ID: unbound variable
Couldn't import apt, please install python3-apt or update steamdeps for your distribution.
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 117: VERSION_ID: unbound variable
Running Steam on arch  64-bit
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 117: VERSION_ID: unbound variable
STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
Pins up-to-date!
Can't find 'steam-runtime-check-requirements', continuing anyway
WARNING: Using default/fallback debugger launch
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 770: /home/dill/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: No such file or directory
[dill@arch ~]$

9:17 PM

well...

9:17 PM

mkdir ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam?

It probably won't work

uhhhh

[dill@arch ~]$ mkdir /home/dill/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam
mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam’: File exists
[dill@arch ~]$

ubuntu12_32 ubuntu 12.04 32-bit

9:19 PM

32-bit

yep

9:19 PM

oh-

32-bit binaries can't run without multilib packages

9:19 PM

that's why it says no such file

which i have

9:19 PM

well

are you sure?

i have multilib enabled but idk which packages

it must be steam the problem, you shouldn't be supposed to run 32-bit at all

hmm, i'll see if theres a 64-bit

uh ok

9:41 PM

[dill@arch ~]$ steam
Running Steam on arch rolling 64-bit
STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
Pins up-to-date!
Can't find 'steam-runtime-check-requirements', continuing anyway
WARNING: Using default/fallback debugger launch
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam
/home/dill/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 770: /home/dill/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: No such file or directory
[dill@arch ~]$

9:41 PM

sigh

9:41 PM

again

i

10:11 PM

am

10:11 PM

a

10:11 PM

huge

10:11 PM

idiot

10:11 PM

i

10:11 PM

deleted

10:11 PM

/usr

10:11 PM

/share

10:11 PM

/icons

10:11 PM

/hicolor

why? (edited)

10:12 PM

pacman -S hicolor-icon-theme

because i'm an idiot: i moved something to hicolor and then pressed up arrow key, replaced mv with rm without backspacing...

whoops

yep

10:13 PM

done

10:13 PM

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StreetSec/Gloom-Framework/master/core/android_attack.py

4.65 KB

10:13 PM

i did it twice and the second time it didnt give me warnings (edited)

10:13 PM

so idk

10:15 PM

pacman -S ${pacman -Qenq}?

dill

/hicolor

/*

dill

/*

you deleted /* ?

dill

pacman -S ${pacman -Qenq}?

probably

tux-linux

you deleted /* ?

hicolor/*

10:17 PM

i'm dumb, but not that dumb...

10:18 PM

[dill@arch ~]$ pacman -S ${pacman -Qenq}
bash: ${pacman -Qenq}: bad substitution

no

10:18 PM

pacman -S $(pacman -Qenq)

10:18 PM

sorry

10:19 PM

${} are for variables

1

it's fine, easy mistake

10:20 PM

Packages (390)

10:20 PM

only?

10:21 PM

Total Installed Size:  5088.76 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:       -19.85 MiB

‍♂️

ok, lets see

10:26 PM

yup, not doing this during school with 9 apps running in the background, plasma running, and 7 tabs open on chromium

lol

will this remove my config?

should not

ok, thx

10:34 PM

how about one at a time

10:34 PM

....yeah, no

dill

how about one at a time

a few at a time? 20-30?

as you want, idk

what would you do?

Reinstall Arch

other than that... my parents won't be happy if i have to install it again

yeah maybe 20-30 at a time is good

i suspect windows won't be happy either ;p

Gah

12:49 AM

off cut parts some has which browser in mobile on I'm in because chat the see cant I Sorry

ah ok, it's fine

12:50 AM

why the reverse word thing though?

Yeah that was a bug lmao

2:09 AM

Also /lib got completely deleted by some weird bug as well as linux, initrd, and initramfs, so reinstalling :/

2:13 AM

...first let me see if Windows broke

2:13 AM

(Finished install)

2:14 AM

YES it isnt broken

2:24 AM

Pain

Yey done

2:39 AM

Now for yay and discord and lmms and chromium and settings and auto login and...

dill

Now for yay and discord and lmms and chromium and settings and auto login and...

and sshd and packages and pacman config and git and aliases and .bashrc.....

insert maniac laugh

4:06 AM

just made plasma look like windows bahaha

4:08 AM

Looks really nice

thanks!

1

dill

and sshd and packages and pacman config and git and aliases and .bashrc.....

finally got it

1

5:45 PM

(not my wallpaper ofc, found it online)

we're studying someone named Nicolas in French class... (edited)

5:37 PM

Well, that's nice Does he like Linux?

tux-linux

Well, that's nice Does he like Linux?

He's 6 years old and in the 1960s

9:05 PM

lol

9:05 PM

Also I installed black arch

nice

9:05 PM

I thought I fried up my kobo touch 2 times today

9:06 PM

It wouldn't turn on at all, but at some point I reconnected the battery and it decided to power on

tux-linux

I thought I fried up my kobo touch 2 times today

yikes

tux-linux

It wouldn't turn on at all, but at some point I reconnected the battery and it decided to power on

well that's ok then

9:07 PM

and...

so you replaced sudo?

please is an alias for sudo

9:07 PM

haha

ah I genuinely think that there is some program called the same name which does that

tux-linux

ah I genuinely think that there is some program called the same name which does that

let me check

idk

not in the arch repos at least

9:09 PM

31 aur/pleaser 0.4.1-1 (+1 0.02) 
    please, a sudo like program with regex support written in rust, get involved!

9:10 PM

yeeeah the blackarch repo scares me..

9:11 PM

...decompilers...

9:11 PM

wow

ghidra

yea

dill

yeeeah the blackarch repo scares me..

killcast

11:34 PM

i want to hack my mom's chromecast

11:34 PM

hahahaaa

dill

killcast

uhh it didnt work... oh well

:/ Well, I have some first release candidates for inkbox (not to be published soon, but at least I can produce a full SD image from scratch)

1

Let's hack up my Android phone tonight ;p

2:28 AM

hah, nice!

ditched please

5:51 AM

aliased pacman to be sudo pacman in bashrc

Nice

as a non-programmer, reversing malware seems fun

1

8:47 PM

I usually get stopped up around the point where you get an actual binary or shellcode, but checking what the hash is in VT usually answers that question quickly

tim

as a non-programmer, reversing malware seems fun

yeah, it does seem fun

tim

as a non-programmer, reversing malware seems fun

That's essentially what we do to make the patches. It seems daunting at first, but it's really not that bad once you get started.

yeah, i'd just need to devote time to learning a language

tux-linux

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StreetSec/Gloom-Framework/master/core/android_attack.py

meterpreter

resetting inkbox because usbnet wasn't working :/

What wasn't working? More likely your computer was the issue

tux-linux

What wasn't working? More likely your computer was the issue

maybe.

6:25 PM

it still isn't working

6:26 PM

wasn't working - kobo was not recognized by computer

tux-linux

What wasn't working? More likely your computer was the issue

still not working on a different port, however the kobo powers on when plugged in and shows that it is charging...

Maybe that the precise USBNET_ENABLE flag is now throwing a random "I/O error" That happens sometimes with ext2fs Should not happen that often anymore in ext4

tux-linux

Maybe that the precise USBNET_ENABLE flag is now throwing a random "I/O error" That happens sometimes with ext2fs Should not happen that often anymore in ext4

did not work even after reboot, reset, and sleep + wake.

yeah, I/O errors stay there once they've appeared. you could try going in diags to see if the USBNet checkbox is checked or not If not, then it's very likely an I/O error. Recheck it and if it still isn't checked after a reboot, well

11:31 PM

fsck -vcck /dev/mmcblk0p1

it is.

can you access the "emergency recovery shell"?

let me grab it

11:34 PM

but first i need to open up linux (not on my computer right now)

ok

booting into diags

tux-linux

fsck -vcck /dev/mmcblk0p1

[root@kobo ]# fsck -vcck /dev/mmcblk0p1
fsck (busybox 1.24.1, 2021-03-07 23:08:10 UTC)
fsck: fsck.auto: No such file or directory
[root@kobo ]#

no, if it's checked it's OK

11:47 PM

no need to fsck

but it doesnt work in main

also, why is the prompt [root@kobo ]# there?

exported PS1

it should only be #

11:48 PM

ah

because # felt weird

means root

yeah, that's why there's # in the other one (edited)

can you mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt

let me boot in main first

and cat /mnt/var/log/rc.log

11:49 PM

no

why?

mount mmcblk0p3 from diags

no, i mean, see if usbnet works in main

well it didn't work before so it shouldn't now... ?

ye but still

you can try anyway

ok diags time

well try to reboot in main to see if you have any luck

rc.log

3.46 KB

usbnet supposedly started

* Starting USBNet ... * WARNING: mass_storage is already stopped [ ok ]

11:53 PM

yes

what kernel version?

[root@kobo ~]# uname -a
Linux kobo 2.6.35.3-inkbox #126 PREEMPT Fri Apr 2 13:47:28 EDT 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux
[root@kobo ~]#

ls -l /modules and then ls -l /mnt/modules

[root@kobo ~]# ls -l /modules
total 580
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         31113 Mar 18 14:12 arcotg_udc.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        261538 Mar 18 14:12 ath6kl.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          3956 Mar 18 14:12 crc-ccitt.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         53992 Mar 18 14:12 g_ether.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         43885 Mar 18 14:12 g_file_storage.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         49188 Mar 18 14:12 g_mass_storage.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          3491 Mar 18 14:12 scsi_wait_scan.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          3453 Mar 18 14:12 sdio_wifi_pwr.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         21769 Mar 18 14:12 tcrypt.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         88333 Mar 18 14:12 usb-storage.ko
[root@kobo ~]# ls -l /mnt/modules
total 580
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         31113 Feb 24 02:39 arcotg_udc.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        261538 Feb 24 02:39 ath6kl.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          3956 Feb 24 02:39 crc-ccitt.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         53992 Feb 24 02:39 g_ether.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         43885 Feb 24 02:39 g_file_storage.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         49188 Mar 18 11:25 g_mass_storage.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          3491 Feb 24 02:39 scsi_wait_scan.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          3453 Feb 24 02:39 sdio_wifi_pwr.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         21769 Feb 24 02:39 tcrypt.ko
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         88333 Feb 24 02:39 usb-storage.ko
[root@kobo ~]#

did you upgrade/downgrade firmware recently?

no

tux-linux

did you upgrade/downgrade firmware recently?

i reset a couple of hours ago (edited)

11:55 PM

with root access

dill

i reset a couple of hours ago (edited)

problem

why?

because old modules aren't compatible with new kernel and resetting wasn't handled well in 1.3

oh

cp -rv /modules /mnt/modules

11:56 PM

sync

11:56 PM

reboot

11:56 PM

no

11:56 PM

well

11:56 PM

cp -rv /modules/* /mnt/modules

lets see

11:57 PM

yup, worked!

1

11:58 PM

[dill@arch ~]$ sudo ifconfig enp0s26u1u2 192.168.2.1
[dill@arch ~]$ telnet 192.168.2.1
telnet: can't connect to remote host (192.168.2.1): Connection refused
[dill@arch ~]$ telnet 192.168.2.2
telnet: can't connect to remote host (192.168.2.2): Connection refused
[dill@arch ~]$

now what

sshd

oh yeah i'm very dumb

12:01 AM

how do i make some command run at boot (in this case, export PS1="[\u@\h \W]\$ " yeah, it bothers me that much ;p (edited)

is kobo:/# really this bad?

no but... i'm not that comfortable with it compared to [user@kobo ~]$

don't have a solution for now my kobo isn't powered on and I've got some work to do, sorry

12:04 AM

maybe in bashrc , profile or something

yeah, no problem! i didn't mean to interrupt your work, sorry :c

no it's ok no worries

1

lol

[root@kobo ~]# exit
kobo:~$ exit
exit
kobo:~$ exit
Connection to 192.168.2.2 closed.
[dill@arch ~]$ exit

yeah

1

9:34 PM

hahaha (edited)

bored

10:47 PM

made a python calculator

10:49 PM

and that's advanced for me :/

https://github.com/tux-linux/Python-works I did that when I was bored last year

tux-linux/Python-works

A repository where I deposit my new Python programs. Please mention me in your programs if you want to reuse this code. Thanks! - tux-linux/Python-works

11:44 PM

mainly in french but anyways

i read french

discord updated its favicon

yep

11:47 PM

and color scheme

Which color scheme?

for example

11:48 PM

used to be

11:48 PM

icon color also changed (edited)

Oh, I don't get into the settings very often

me neither

1

11:49 PM

reaction

11:49 PM

@dill

what i was gonna say too

11:49 PM

ping

@dill

11:49 PM

yeah true

yep

11:49 PM

only in app for some reason

I'm in the browser

ah

App's kinda useless Like, the App is just an Electron 'tab' with the framework inside

well i noticed it's in browser too for some os'es

11:50 PM

true

dill

well i noticed it's in browser too for some os'es

windows rn

maybe try changing user agent

user agent?

info about web browser/platform/etc

12:05 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent

User agent

In computing, a user agent is any software, acting on behalf of a user, which "retrieves, renders and facilitates end-user interaction with Web content." A user agent is therefore a special kind of software agent. Some prominent examples of user agents are web browsers and email readers. Often, a user agent acts as the client in a client–server...

ah

https://github.com/Gictorbit/photoshopCClinux

12:22 AM

kinda doubt this is legal

use GIMP!

yep

but yeah, strange that they don't say "enter your license key"

tux-linux

use GIMP!

i do

hmm ... yeah.

12:24 AM

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

unofficial

yeah maybe

whaaaaaaaat this is a w e s o m e

12:40 AM

http://frogfind.com/

12:41 AM

came from there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NentMKyVGog

Action Retro

Browsing the Web on a Vintage Apple //e with Contiki!

1:26 AM

:D

Nice!

1

tux-linux

Nice!

What shocks me is the memory usage

8:40 PM

This could run perfectly on a Pi Zero

FYI, I am now "them1ghtydill" on GitHub.

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NiLuJe joined the server. 5/19/2021 11:50 PM

Hey, @NiLuJe!

Hey! (fair warning, you won't see much of me: I hate discord with a fiery passion)

Haha

NiLuJe

Hey! (fair warning, you won't see much of me: I hate discord with a fiery passion)

May I ask why? Closed source, maybe?

Sometimes people and apps/websites just don't agree

3:16 AM

Like for me, I hate Microsoft Store just because

.... because Microsoft?

... yes but also even if it wasn't.

NiLuJe

Hey! (fair warning, you won't see much of me: I hate discord with a fiery passion)

As myself with Windows, that for sure

Electron/CEF doesn't help, but mainly it's the "let's do everything in one place" that irks me

The question is... does Elektron help

4:52 AM

sorry, bad pun...

NiLuJe

Electron/CEF doesn't help, but mainly it's the "let's do everything in one place" that irks me

Yeah I understand your point. Electron apps are quite bulky... At least the web browser version of discord is practically the same as the app's, so that helps with consistency

tux-linux

then it is probably dead

surprise surprise

5:40 AM

it came back to life

BlauMond joined the server. 5/20/2021 9:23 AM

Hello hello

9:25 AM

I'm BlauMond from mobileread, I want to port PostmarketOS (alpine-based mobile linux distro) to my Glo HD so I joined here to get some inspiration

@tux-linux You mentioned that you got an Alpine build running on your Glo HD, may I ask how you did it? For now I am curious about the flashing and booting. Did you use your own uBoot or did you just flash your alpine image to the right place?

Nalco joined the server. 5/20/2021 1:02 PM

BlauMond

@tux-linux You mentioned that you got an Alpine build running on your Glo HD, may I ask how you did it? For now I am curious about the flashing and booting. Did you use your own uBoot or did you just flash your alpine image to the right place?

I started off an Alpine minirootfs and added all the remaining packages that were found in e.g. the raspberry Pi image of it via a chroot with qemu-arm. I just put the image in mmcblk0p1 after, no need to modify u-boot or the kernel, though I did both for InkBox. It's enough to get you started without any recompiling. I disabled the limited access of the file, you can now download it, sorry...

1:15 PM

Btw, hi!!

1:15 PM

And hi @Nalco too!

Hi, thanks @tux-linux ! Can you explain the part about adding all the remaining packages that were found in the raspberry pi image?

1:18 PM

Was this necessary to get it running, or did you just do it to have more utilities that arent in the minirootfs by default?

BlauMond

Hi, thanks @tux-linux ! Can you explain the part about adding all the remaining packages that were found in the raspberry pi image?

There's a bunch of apk files in the rpi image, and you can just apk add them from the chroot I.e. look at the file names and the package name should come naturally. In doubt, look up alpine Linux <pkg name> (edited)

BlauMond

Was this necessary to get it running, or did you just do it to have more utilities that arent in the minirootfs by default?

Yeah, I needed to add openrc for example (all package names found in the rpi image)

tux-linux

Yeah, I needed to add openrc for example (all package names found in the rpi image)

Cool, thanks for clarifying !

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@BlauMond you might want to flash my boosted kernel for more flexibility: https://github.com/tux-linux/kobo-kernel

tux-linux/kobo-kernel

(Mirror) A set of enhanced kernels for various Kobo devices - tux-linux/kobo-kernel

@tux-linux thanks! Do I understand correctly:

you don't touch the u-Boot
you flash your custom kernel to mmcblk0 with seek=2048
you add some drivers
you flash your alpine squashfs to mmcblk0p1? (and is this the correct order or do I need to flash the alpine squashfs earlier?)

(edited)

BlauMond

@tux-linux thanks! Do I understand correctly:

you don't touch the u-Boot
you flash your custom kernel to mmcblk0 with seek=2048
you add some drivers
you flash your alpine squashfs to mmcblk0p1? (and is this the correct order or do I need to flash the alpine squashfs earlier?)

(edited)

Yes to all and the last one doesn't matter

2:01 PM

And bs=512 seek=2048 for dd

tux-linux

Yes to all and the last one doesn't matter

Got it, thanks a ton! I will test it this weekend!

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Hey @tux-linux , is it necessary to use dd from inside the Glo HD, or can I just DD things onto the SD card from my laptop?

2:58 PM

And did I understand correctly that the squashfs image should be flashed as is? Or should I unsquash it first?

BlauMond

And did I understand correctly that the squashfs image should be flashed as is? Or should I unsquash it first?

Unsquash it first! But you just have me a wild idea for InkBox's recoveryfs...

BlauMond

Hey @tux-linux , is it necessary to use dd from inside the Glo HD, or can I just DD things onto the SD card from my laptop?

Either one will do

tux-linux

Unsquash it first! But you just have me a wild idea for InkBox's recoveryfs...

Thanks, so that's why it didn't work

Yeah, although a thing like that would be awesome

4:01 PM

Like, it could mount it at boot and with overlays, you'd still get r/w access but you would save space

Hmm, how do I best unsquash it into something DDable?

4:02 PM

DD doesn't like directories

Well, format mmcblk0p1 as ext4 and extract it in there

4:04 PM

Think of it as a rootfs tar archive. The best thing with squashfs is that you can mount the archive without extracting it. But in that case, you have to extract it (edited)

Can't believe I didn't think of that

4:06 PM

Thanks!

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You're lucky because the Glo HD's kernel (3.0.35) is still supported by the latest Alpine version. You couldn't install Debian 10 on it (IIRC, even 9 wouldn't work) because the glibc version won't support that kernel. FATAL: Kernel too old! Yeah. And that's everytime it runs a binary.

tux-linux

You're lucky because the Glo HD's kernel (3.0.35) is still supported by the latest Alpine version. You couldn't install Debian 10 on it (IIRC, even 9 wouldn't work) because the glibc version won't support that kernel. FATAL: Kernel too old! Yeah. And that's everytime it runs a binary.

Not lucky, smart! I chose the GloHD because of its kernel version!

Nice, though I'm don't look forward to the days when that kernel too will be completely unsupported...

Hopefully we'll manage mainline before that happens

4:28 PM

or at least mainline + some drivers

4:28 PM

PmOS does this with a device-specific package for each device

4:32 PM

I am running into an error when attempting to start, any clue what I might have missed? Perhaps you ran into it too:

Starting kernel ...

drivers/misc/ntx-misc.c(msp430_i2c_probe): Can't allocate irq 395
[zForce_ir_touch_recv_data-259] command BootComplete (0)...
PMU: ricoh61x_battery_probe : version is RICOH61x_BATTERY_VERSION: 2014.02.21 V3.1.0.0-Solution1 2015/02/09
EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p1): couldn't mount RDWR because of unsupported optional features (400)
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,1)

BlauMond

I am running into an error when attempting to start, any clue what I might have missed? Perhaps you ran into it too:

Starting kernel ...

drivers/misc/ntx-misc.c(msp430_i2c_probe): Can't allocate irq 395
[zForce_ir_touch_recv_data-259] command BootComplete (0)...
PMU: ricoh61x_battery_probe : version is RICOH61x_BATTERY_VERSION: 2014.02.21 V3.1.0.0-Solution1 2015/02/09
EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p1): couldn't mount RDWR because of unsupported optional features (400)
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,1)

mkfs.ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p1 -O "^metadata_csum"

5:21 PM

So you have that type of kernel too

5:23 PM

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/287159/linux-couldnt-mount-rdwr-because-of-unsupported-optional-features-400

Linux - couldn't mount RDWR because of unsupported optional feature...

I try to run Android from SD-card. This card is prepared. There are partitions: boot(FAT32), rootfs(ext4), system(ext4), cache(ext4) and usedata(ext4). Boot partitions has files to run u-boot: MLO, u-

Another quick question regarding the drivers: I have both a "freescale" and "mx6sl-ntx" folder that have some driver files in them. Some of these exist in both folders. Which should I prioritize?

5:25 PM

And thanks so much!

mx6sl-ntx

5:26 PM

But take the ones from my GitHub repo otherwise it'll complain about invalid format or module version

Thanks for the hint, will do!

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5:27 PM

Perhaps change that in the readme aswell

1

Thank you for your patience and guidance @tux-linux !

1

BlauMond

Thank you for your patience and guidance @tux-linux !

Good job!!

12:46 AM

Thank you for your patience and guidance

He has quite a lot of that, that's for sure ;p

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I have started working on PmOS but I am struggling a little with the Kernel, I admit I have never compiled a kernel from source before

10:17 AM

I wanted to start out with the original kernel for PmOS porting since I don't know all the modifications you made and PmOS keeps the patches separate from the original source

/arch/arm/configs/imx6s_ntx_alyssum_defconfig Is this the kernel config file that you used too?

I used the default .config that was in the kernel source tarball. In doubt, on the Kobo: zcat /proc/config.gz

tux-linux

I used the default .config that was in the kernel source tarball. In doubt, on the Kobo: zcat /proc/config.gz

Oh damn, I had missed the ".config" file

Yeah, but using the zcat thing assures you that you have a bootable config

10:32 AM

And the mx6 alyssum defconfig should do too, haven't tested it

I'll compare them just to be sure, thanks for the tip

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10:35 AM

I am lucky that you are working on this

10:36 AM

I have wanted to learn about this stuff for so long

Well, I'm happy to help

Now I have a chance to get some experience and you have given me great motivation and guidance

But you'll see that as you go down the rabbit hole of issues, you probably won't like it as much ;p

Did you have a lot of issues with the kernel from kobo?

(I had some big trouble with InkBox when fixing an issue would cause another 2 to appear)

BlauMond

Did you have a lot of issues with the kernel from kobo?

Yes, and I'm suspecting that they did not release the latest tarball

The tarballs seem to be 3 months old

Wi-Fi driver never worked, no sleep mode, etc

10:39 AM

Imx507

10:39 AM

Not Glo HD

Ah I see

And that tarball is a lot older

How has the Glo HD been working for you? You probably haven't messed with it as much yet?

Well, it's better than the imx507s for a lot of things And while I haven't tested the kernel modules extensively, I didn't experience anything strange yet

10:41 AM

The main reason I didn't start InkBox on the Glo HD is because the screen was completely broken

I'm glad I went with the Glo HD for my first try

Since then, the main board is hanging around next to the router, serving mediawiki with MariaDB

Did you get wifi working on the glo HD or is it over USB?

Didn't test it

10:42 AM

You can bridge usbnet though

Cool, so I have some work ahead of me^^

10:44 AM

Btw I was curious about something I noticed on the stock glo hd

Yep, I wish you luck Today I'll have to create a developer key system to add to InkBox's security policy... That will probably cause a lot of problems, but let's hope that in two days it'll be done....

10:44 AM

The power light stays on? No, just had a random idea

It goes to some sort of sleep after a few seconds without touch input it seems, is this also the case for your inkbox?

Huh

10:45 AM

Like, you can't input to serial console?

exactly

10:45 AM

and if I touch the screen, it works again (edited)

10:45 AM

I assumed to preserve power

10:45 AM

It makes sense for an ereader

That's the I.MX watchdog, my friend. Your worst nightmare

10:46 AM

I once saw a way to fix it

10:46 AM

Let me check again

I don't mind it all too much if it's possible to temporarily disable it while working on it

I think you could watchdog the watchdog

It sounds sensible to preserve battery power

With watchdog /dev/watchdog or something like that

I'll have to read about it more

But

10:48 AM

Try i2c probe at u-boot console, then boot

10:48 AM

That works for me in the mini and touch

10:49 AM

Because it's handled by a microcontroller

Oh on the topic of uboot, how do I get the uboot console? I remember from an sbc that I just needed to press a button to interrupt the regular booting, but that doesnt seem to be the case here

Oops

10:50 AM

Did you update to latest firmware before installing Alpine?

I did that a few months back, but not recently

Because that also installs an U-Boot build without bootdelay=0, but set to 1 instead

Oh interesting

On mine though I could access U-Boot right away

I will give it a shot

10:52 AM

Made a backup of the original SD card thankfully

BlauMond

Oh interesting

On imx507 which were deeply locked down I had to recompile U-Boot and change the environment offset from 768 to 766, then change the envvar while it said "Environment broken - Bad CRC or MMC" then saveenv, writeenv and recompile with offset 768 (edited)

10:54 AM

That offset variable is somewhere in include/configs in the U-Boot tarball

Did you use a new version of uboot?

Well, technically not variable, it's a #define statement

10:54 AM

No

The one I found on the glohd was quite old, some 2009 version

They're all like that

10:55 AM

Heavily patched U-Boot source

10:55 AM

So they don't want to move to a new version because they have all they want

I see, I feared that^^

Bootloader's job is to load kernel into RAM then boot it, so anything else is extra ;p

tux-linux

Heavily patched U-Boot source

I even bet the Kindle PW4 is still using that 2009.08 tree

Well it does its job, so I suppose it's okay for now^^

Yep

11:00 AM

That's an interesting read if you want to look: https://github.com/twhitehead/notes-kobohacking

twhitehead/notes-kobohacking

Contribute to twhitehead/notes-kobohacking development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:02 AM

And this should be kept in a vault for future generations if you didn't already read it: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/research/e-readers/Kobo/Aura_H2O_Edition_2

Aura H2O Edition 2

11:02 AM

Like, the guy went so deep inside the Kobo... Not a Glo HD but some things might be useful

Thanks for sharing!

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Brain flash for the watchdog problem; since the screen is IR, you could put anything on it and it should register as if you were tapping it with your finger

tux-linux

And this should be kept in a vault for future generations if you didn't already read it: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/research/e-readers/Kobo/Aura_H2O_Edition_2

Yes, I think that giving a second life to the innumerable old devices is a great thing, and it should be documented, preserved and maintained

1

11:10 AM

That was also the motivation behind postmarketOS I think

Yeah maybe

And good hint with the screen^^

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Hey, sorry but I need more help

Now I am getting an error while trying to compile. The makefile complains that the source tree is not clean (because of the .config file). What was your procedure in compiling the source by kobo for the glo hd?

Huh?

3:37 PM

What toolchain are you using?

3:37 PM

You can always do make mrproper but this shouldn't happen

pmOS has its own tool called "pmbootstrap" which uses GCC

3:41 PM

It does everything in an Alpine chroot internally

Wait, but what source tree are you using?

The one from kobo's github

And you passed that to pmbootstrap ?

Yes, it is downloaded and extracted directly by pmbootstrap, so it is unchanged by default

You're gonna have problems

3:43 PM

I'd compile the kernel separately with a proper toolchain (or nickel TC) at least

What do you mean by "proper toolchain"?

Well, something that will lead to a bootable kernel

3:44 PM

Kobo HW is so finicky that just a tiny change in the compilation can mess everything up

What did you use to compile the kernel?

NickelTC

3:45 PM

koxtoolchain should work too

3:46 PM

But to give you an idea, successfully compiled kernels with NickelTC won't boot on imx507, and when compiled with the old 2013 provided toolchain, it works

Hmm, I am not sure if/how other toolchains will work with pmbootstrap/pmOS

Userspace is less finicky though

3:50 PM

Though when the libc doesn't want to work, it won't work

But this error I got has nothing to do with this yet, so I think I want to try how far I can get with the pmbootstrap tools for now

Did you try make mrproper ? (edited)

I'll try to add it to the APKBUILD

Yeah, or maybe just unpack the tarball and do it there, then repack it

Woah it compiled! And I only had to patch two files in a minor way! Now let's see if anything boots

(or perhaps there are more steps in between, don't know pmOS that well yet ) (edited)

Don't get high hopes, that's all I can say

5:54 PM

Surely something is bound to fail, it can't be that perfect ;p

MMC read: dev # 0, block # 1, count 1 ... 1 blocks read: OK
hwcfg rootfstype : 2
hwcfg partition type : 2
Wrong Image Format for bootm command
ERROR: can't get kernel image!

Yep

7:24 PM

Did you flash an uImage ?

I already figured out I need a legacy uboot image, there is luckily a way to generate it from pmbootstrap

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7:24 PM

That's the next thing i'll try

7:25 PM

It would be cool if I get this working, I have confidence in pmOS tooling since many heavily locked down and modified devices have successfully booted it in some manner

7:25 PM

Many have even gotten mainline support over time

7:26 PM

it'd be great to add an ereader to that collection of devices

BlauMond

Many have even gotten mainline support over time

That's an impossible dream for me in Kobos

I am not dreaming that far just yet either^^

7:27 PM

Even downstream kernel support would be great

Yeah At least with recent kernels they introduced dtbs and such, sadly it was not like that when those old kernels were designed though

tux-linux

Yeah At least with recent kernels they introduced dtbs and such, sadly it was not like that when those old kernels were designed though

It appears someone is insane enough to try, I saw someone working on a DTB for the Glo HD

Too bad, mine's screen broken But good news indeed

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Glo_HD_(kobo-glo-hd) There's a link on this page in case you are interested^^

Kobo Glo HD (kobo-glo-hd)

No text on this page apparently

Odd, it works for me

Screenshot (23 mai 2021 13 h 44 min 18 s)

https://github.com/apreiml/linux/blob/kobo/glo-hd/arch/arm/boot/dts/imx6sl-kobo-glo-hd.dts Here's a direct link

apreiml/linux

Linux kernel source tree. Contribute to apreiml/linux development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:45 PM

Niceeee

Have a look through the device list if you need any inspiration or hope

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

Devices

7:50 PM

People have done quite a ton of awesome ports, even my dumb old Galaxy SIII Mini got limited mainline support

Yeah, seems awesome Would be cool if the Pixels could get supported too

7:51 PM

(well, especially 4a)

You can try doing it

Only if I had time ;p Since I decided to integrate X11 in InkBox, it has become a mess... Just to give you an idea: the mount command outputs 86 lines

My android phone is not far ahead with 114 lines

Mine has only 37

7:58 PM

my debian laptop wins with 123 lines

congratulations

8:00 PM

what in the world is going on with your laptop?

pmbootstrap's chroots are responsible for most of it right now

aaah

Now down to 40 without it

still

8:02 PM

wait, I'll try to post the output of findmnt

+ snap crap (edited)

still quite a lot...

Down to 28 without snap

8:12 PM

Seems to be mostly special system stuff

8:12 PM

Anyway I'll be off for today, thanks for your many pointers! I'll let you know about any progress I make (or bother you when I am not making progress)

Cool! see you (edited)

8:13 PM

(actually, there are 56 there because only X11 is running; at boot, with all filesystems mounted, you have 86 lines) (edited)

BlauMond

+ snap crap (edited)

Snap, as in snapd?

8:27 PM

~~I'm actually thinking about installing snap on LFS because I dont like compiling, what's wrong with me~~

appimages

For kde or xfce

you want to install kde as a snap

8:29 PM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Yeah lol

8:29 PM

Idk

Then your mount table will probably look worse than InkBox's one

8:32 PM

But do whatever you want... I'm just saying that some problems might appear

Well... xfce?

that too, probably

8:53 PM

but you can try

well

8:56 PM

Just in case (because... snap)... how do I uninstall snapd?

make uninstall -- from the source tree?

source tree?

9:10 PM

git clone tho (edited)

whatever source you extracted the code from

oh ok

9:12 PM

I... do not see a Makefile

CMakeLists.txt ?

Where are you seeing this

9:13 PM

I'm on github; snapcore/snapd

read the readme, will you? ;p

oh haha

Under "Get involved"

LFS went byebye

Well, technically LFS is not a distribution

true

9:16 PM

HACKING.md?

of course

9:18 PM

Guess what my computer's doing...

Whee, Gentoo!

Yep, you're right, compiling glorious LLVM ;p

Oh man, I think I surplussed a good amount of those laptops at my old job

10:13 PM

That's a nostalgic feeling to see the chassis again

10:13 PM

It's an i7/i5 with I'm guessing 8 and 16 gb of ram

i5 with 16GB RAM, yes

10:16 PM

It's starting to become seriously outdated but it still holds well for a 7 year old PC

10:16 PM

And now it's compiling Rust, which takes forever

Gentoo. That was actually more pain than LFS, tbh

10:52 PM

Also how did I just discover zram

You did not know that it existed before?

Nope ;p

Welcome to "awesome things you can do with Linux"!

Lol

Had spectre/meltdown not been a thing, I probably would have stayed on my old thinkpad x200

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Well, I know what I'll do with my broken Kobo Aura; install Gentoo on it

tux-linux

Well, I know what I'll do with my broken Kobo Aura; install Gentoo on it

hahaha- wait what

Why not

4:18 AM

It will probably take weeks but still

4:23 AM

Speaking of why not

you are the very definition of "why not" ;p

would you like to join me on a test channel?

sure!

6:50 PM

just let me clear up my discord pings

it will be on libera.chat

6:51 PM

wait I'll set it up

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6:51 PM

(and also wait for OpenBSD to start up ;p)

It's on irc.libera.chat , channel ##inkbox-chat

i love your status btw

Yeah, now Arch and Gentoo are fighting together

lol

7:06 PM

not loading...

try irssi

7:06 PM

/CONNECT irc.libera.chat

7:06 PM

/JOIN ##inkbox-chat

well

7:07 PM

windows at the moment...

couldn't you reboot?

no, windows-only pc

7:07 PM

the other ones... wifi ;p

7:08 PM

shudders\ micro$oft $store (edited)

https://irssi.org/download/

7:08 PM

seems it's available for windows

7:08 PM

uh

7:08 PM

maybe not that easily

7:09 PM

https://hexchat.github.io/

Home – HexChat

HexChat, an open-source, cross-platform IRC client

7:09 PM

that, maybe?

$12.79 ;p

ugh

like, what? hexchat was free on linux

no

i'll be on linux in quite a while, sorry. i'm downloading some other irc thing and will see if that works

try "windows 7 64-bit installer" instead

ah well i seem to be quite stupid

but idk why it's 12.79 in ms store

7:11 PM

like, it's licensed under gplv2

7:11 PM

yes or no?

yep

7:11 PM

should be good

free software != gratis builds

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

scam

7:12 PM

pressed connect and nothing happened and i did it like 10 times...

maybe try only connecting to irc.libera.chat, no channel

7:12 PM

then /JOIN in the prompt

nope

try KiwiIRC (edited)

7:15 PM

that works, just tested it

let me beg my mom to open my wifi because i cant be on anymore

can't you ssh to the raspberry pi?

hopefully be back at ~2:15?

Yeah, no problem

tux-linux

can't you ssh to the raspberry pi?

nope, because... well. lineage

7:18 PM

os

install termux on lineage

7:18 PM

and irssi there

Why not do some compiling on this thing?

haha wow

ah, windows...

didn't you try KiwiIRC? can you now?

tux-linux

didn't you try KiwiIRC? can you now?

linux now

10:36 PM

so yes

Ok, I'll hop in in the channel shortly

doing a quick Syu and then installing kiwiirc

10:40 PM

oof a linux update

No kiwiirc is online

10:40 PM

In your web browser

ohhh ok

But since you're on Linux you can try irssi

irssi running

Ok, I'll be there soon

yeah, waiting for hdd to respond

1

10:46 PM

done. i'm there

1

stop it, i closed spectacle normally. what (edited)

I've finally started writing some docs!

4:25 PM

http://alpinekobox.ddns.net:40/mediawiki/index.php?title=InkBox:_Boot_flags

:0

8:35 PM

Nice!

Yeah, I needed to do it, was starting to forget all of that haha

Yeah, it's a complicated thing without documentation

I still need to do:

Filesystem organization
Mount tree, explanation of why it's so complicated
X11 misc
Dev keys
Spinning your own InkBox

etc.........

Yikes...

but filesystems and mounts will be fun I guess

8:38 PM

I'm at 104 lines for mount

seeing that while listening to https://youtu.be/ynd3FYmrsr8?t=334 ...

simplescreenrecorder-2021-05-29_14.45.25.mkv

713.02 KB

Films Full OST

E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) - Full Official Soundtrack

haha

1

HOLY POO

9:07 PM

19.09 KB

hm ok

9:08 PM

you've beaten me

lol

how many lines?

idk

mount | wc -l

208 :0

that's pretty huge

now 209 because time to chroot into lfs

1

9:10 PM

and now time to die because glib refuses to compile

good luck

[1091/1109] Generating gapplication-man with a custom command
FAILED: docs/reference/gio/gapplication.1 
/usr/bin/xsltproc --nonet --stringparam man.output.quietly 1 --stringparam funcsynopsis.style ansi --stringparam man.th.extra1.suppress 1 --stringparam man.authors.section.enabled 0 --stringparam man.copyright.section.enabled 0 -o docs/reference/gio/gapplication.1 http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl ../docs/reference/gio/gapplication.xml
I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl
warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl"
cannot parse http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl
[1093/1109] Compiling C object tests/onceinit.p/onceinit.c.o
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
(lfs chroot) [dill@lfs build]$

are you connected to internet

yes

then idk

on the internet it said something about... linux-doctools? not on lfs website tho so idk the dependencies or how to make it

did you install docbook-xsl?

i think so

9:15 PM

yes

9:15 PM

i did it yesterday

can you wget that from lfs chroot? http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl

yes

Then I really don't know

I can also access it from firefox in bedrock

9:16 PM

alright let's see

bctux joined the server. 5/29/2021 9:39 PM

Hello @bctux !

Hey, bctux!

tux-linux

then idk

mkdir build &&
cd    build &&

meson --prefix=/usr      \
      -Dman=true         \
      -Dselinux=disabled \
      ..                 &&
ninja

12:03 AM

gulps and enters Dman=false

I DESTROYED LFS

12:48 AM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

12:52 AM

wait

12:52 AM

i majorly f*cked up

12:52 AM

deleted /lib

12:52 AM

that can be fixed tho right

12:53 AM

@tux-linux help

im scared

Difficultly

12:53 AM

If you have a backup

tux-linux

Difficultly

just recompile all the libs...?

tux-linux

If you have a backup

remember, i reinstalled arch, and forgot to backup...

Yes, but without libs to recompile libs, how do you do?

chroot

12:54 AM

right

How will you chroot without the lib for bash?

12:54 AM

ahhhhh

12:54 AM

wait maybe... compile for arch and cp to lfs

Nooo

or partial lfs reinstall

That will probably cause libc issues

12:55 AM

You never backupped LFS?

i did but then reinstalled arch

12:55 AM

without backup

And you erased the backup (edited)

yes

tux-linux

Nooo

why

tux-linux

That will probably cause libc issues

.

oh

12:56 AM

wait

12:57 AM

the temporary toolchain...

12:57 AM

when i first built LFS...

12:57 AM

... maybe ... ?

:thonk: everything else is there. i thought i deleted /*

but if you deleted everything in /lib you're not that much more lucky either

1:17 AM

is there a lot in /usr/lib ?

let me check

1:18 AM

7.55 KB

libBrokenLocale.so this one always make me laugh but most of the optional software specific libs seem to be there, so maybe recompiling LFS and putting the new lib contents in /lib should do the trick

1:20 AM

or at least, give you a minimal set of tools to work with

haha. but... recompiling lfs?

1:21 AM

well, you don't have any backup...

or just libs, with temp toolchain

tux-linux

well, you don't have any backup...

my fault (edited)

that might lead to an even more broken system

oh

1:21 AM

uh

1:21 AM

wait

1:23 AM

stupid question

1:23 AM

cp /usr/lib/*library* /lib

no

1:23 AM

like, never

1:23 AM

did you read the FHS article on wikipedia? (edited)

yes. i forgot :/

1:24 AM

time to do the temp toolchain thing

1:24 AM

i guess

1:24 AM

(ignore my status, two of my friends were saying the other one wasnt ok) (edited)

but what is amy and hason?

1:25 AM

(or who)

two of my friends

ah

1:26 AM

thinks a moment Your friends are not okay ... okay ...

hahahhahaa

1:26 AM

we're all immature

1:26 AM

gottago bye

1

tux-linux

thinks a moment Your friends are not okay ... okay ...

not okay = crazy

i.e. hason thinks amy isnt ok, amy thinks hason isnt ok, so i said both of them are not ok

Ah... Well, how come they're friends ? ;p

theyre joking around ;p

2:00 AM

stupid question time again

yep ... ?

backup broken lfs

2:01 AM

make new lfs (scary)

2:02 AM

(stupid time!) cp broken lfs to new lfs so all my blfs stuff is back and /lib remains intact

2:02 AM

(overwrite)

bad idea?

2:05 AM

but well, maybe?

tux-linux

bad idea?

does that mean it is a bad idea?

yes, but you can try

2:07 AM

make a backup of the existing LFS before though

tux-linux

make a backup of the existing LFS before though

backup broken lfs

unless you mean the new one?

yes. broken one

2:11 AM

well, both

dill

make new lfs (scary)

partial?

tux-linux

well, both

this time i'm storing the backup online

dill

(stupid time!) cp broken lfs to new lfs so all my blfs stuff is back and /lib remains intact

try it

not today

also will take a looooooong time

Depends if your computer is fast ;p

tux-linux

Depends if your computer is fast ;p

4:05 AM

my dream computer would have something like a ryzen 9

4:05 AM

as you can see, this is... not my dream computer

Yep me too haha

dill

also will take a looooooong time

idk where to start

4:40 AM

should i just start all over

yep, that's what I'd do

4:41 AM

but eh, when you have time tho

first. backup

4:43 AM

this still reminds me how much i screwed up

dill@bedrock:~$ arch-chroot /mnt/lfs
==> ERROR: This script must be run with root privileges
dill@bedrock:~$ sudo !!
sudo arch-chroot /mnt/lfs
[sudo] password for dill: 
chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
dill@bedrock:~$

(edited)

yeah, missing lib

4:43 AM

and /bin/bash exists, right?

4:44 AM

you can transplant busybox in there but even if you get a shell, most other things won't work at all

tux-linux

and /bin/bash exists, right?

yes

4:44 AM

dill@bedrock:~$ /mnt/lfs/bin/bash
/mnt/lfs/bin/bash: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.33' not found (required by /mnt/lfs/bin/bash)
dill@bedrock:~$

yep, welcome to "fprintf strange error messages"!

heh

dill

dill@bedrock:~$ /mnt/lfs/bin/bash
/mnt/lfs/bin/bash: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.33' not found (required by /mnt/lfs/bin/bash)
dill@bedrock:~$

You start to understand what it could have become if you transplanted the /lib from your current system to lfs ;p

tux-linux

you can transplant busybox in there but even if you get a shell, most other things won't work at all

i deperately want to know what libraries exactly were in /lib

tux-linux

You start to understand what it could have become if you transplanted the /lib from your current system to lfs ;p

yep...

dill

i deperately want to know what libraries exactly were in /lib

you can do ldd on some executables to see

glibc was a big one

4:47 AM

https://github.com/emmett1/lfs-scripts

34.5 KB

and that's normal

yep

emmett1/lfs-scripts

Automated script to build Multilib LFS system + livecd - emmett1/lfs-scripts

4:48 AM

that should help you get LFS up and running faster, maybe?

excuse me

5:03 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBSD#Releases

NetBSD

NetBSD is a free and open-source Unix-like operating system based on the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD). It was the first open-source BSD descendant officially released after 386BSD was forked. It continues to be actively developed and is available for many platforms, including servers, desktops, handheld devices, and embedded systems.The ...

5:03 AM

check the 7.0 section

woah

tux-linux

that should help you get LFS up and running faster, maybe?

yep

5:09 AM

http://ix.io/3oi6

I got to try this

wait

5:09 AM

nvm

5:09 AM

lol

5:10 AM

alright, have to go

5:10 AM

bye!

1

see you

so

tux-linux

https://github.com/emmett1/lfs-scripts

i would do this

6:09 PM

but then i had this idea

Yes

bad idea idk

6:09 PM

so. i make a new system, then transplant /lib from new lfs to old lfs.

Yes, that might work (edited)

the problem is. that thing is multilib...

The scripts?

yes

And you did not build LFS multilib?

...no? its a pure 64 bit system...?

You should try it still

6:11 PM

Maybe it'll work

6:11 PM

At worst, take the libs in lib64 instead

6:12 PM

yep

tux-linux

At worst, take the libs in lib64 instead

cp lib64 on broken lfs to lib on broken lfs?

Yes

wait. i could do that instead of making lfs again

What?

6:13 PM

Well idk if it will work

broken lfs: cp /lib64/* /lib/*

6:13 PM

in any case i'll make a backup as well

first time to backup

7:27 PM

rsyncing

7:29 PM

wait wait wait

7:29 PM

@tux-linux hang on... isnt lib a symlink to usr/lib???

Usually, no

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 26 14:16 lib -> usr/lib on arch/bedrock/debian at least. let me check lfs

on gentoo lib isn't symlinked

7:30 PM

and gentoo is closer to LFS than arch or debian (edited)

not in lfs :/

7:30 PM

yep

tarring it up.....

Might even be able to re-purpose a gentoo stage3?

8:50 PM

that's essentially an LFS-that-works ;p

I hate gentoo as you hate Discord ;p

8:59 PM

because some files like SSH keys and CA certs didnt have read perms

8:59 PM

Should I be worried

@tux-linux Will this affect my backup?

Probably not

just to be safe, it's tarring again. but with sudo

12:24 AM

i might just replace sudo with doas

Always tar a backup like that with sudo

yes. i just forgot

1

the lib64 thing won't work, there are only 2 libraries inside

1:38 AM

time for lfs-scripts?

yes, probably

also before that i found something on the internet that said "cp /lib from the livecd of your distro to /lib of broken install"

1:39 AM

there are lots of lfs livecds...

that's a very, very, very bad idea

why

compat issues

ah

1:40 AM

./01-toolchain && sudo ./02-base && sudo ./03-mkiso let's see. i'll do a bash -e just in case

yep

dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$ ./01-toolchain && sudo ./02-base && sudo ./03-mkiso
mkdir: cannot create directory '/mnt/lfs/tools': Permission denied
dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$

(sarcasm) nice

sudo before 01

are you sure

well

i dont think youre supposed to make the toolchain as root

1:43 AM

let me check lfs site

if you really want to take no risk, just run that in a vm

there's no risk.

1:44 AM

/mnt/lfs isnt mounted

oh, don't forget to mount it then

dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$ sudo ./01-toolchain && sudo ./02-base && sudo ./03-mkiso
[sudo] password for dill: 
./01-toolchain script need to run as regular user!
dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$

nope...

tux-linux

oh, don't forget to mount it then

cant i just make an lfs chroot...

1:44 AM

lol

well, find the line where it creates /mnt/lfs and add sudo before

1:45 AM

or chown -R dill /mnt

yep

1:46 AM

dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$ ./01-toolchain && sudo ./02-base && sudo ./03-mkiso
> building 01-binutils-pass1 <<<
> fetching http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/binutils/binutils-2.36.1.tar.xz
> ./01-toolchain: 9: ./01-toolchain: curl: not found
> failed fetch http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/binutils/binutils-2.36.1.tar.xz
> dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$ sudo pacman -S curl
> warning: curl-7.77.0-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> resolving dependencies...
> looking for conflicting packages...
> 
> Packages (1) curl-7.77.0-1
> 
> Total Installed Size:  1.74 MiB
> Net Upgrade Size:      0.00 MiB
> 
> :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] ^C
> Interrupt signal received
> 
> dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$ curl
> curl: try 'curl --help' for more information
> dill@bedrock:~/lfs-scripts$ 
>

1:46 AM

what-

$PATH probably

oof

whereis curl

/bedrock/cross/bin/curl apt?

facepalm

1:49 AM

no, seriously, you're doing that on bedrock?

yep...

1:49 AM

where else would i do it

couldn't you just use standard debian?

uh

1:49 AM

i dont have debian; i have bedrock

everything will fail if you continue like that

1:49 AM

No, I mean real debian

1:49 AM

Like, maybe a liveusb?

ah

since you're installing it on a mountpoint

mountpoint

...?

...cant i install on not a mountpoint

1:50 AM

like, empty $LFS

1:50 AM

i.e. test it out in a chroot first

well, you can chroot into a mountpoint too

that would make changes to current lfs which im a bit... worried about ;p

1:51 AM

i'd test it in a chroot first

dd if=/dev/zero of=lfs.img bs=1M count=32768

1:51 AM

this will create a 32G disk image

why

well, it's more portable?

1:52 AM

or you can use qemu-img

1:52 AM

https://gist.github.com/shamil/62935d9b456a6f9877b5

How to mount a qcow2 disk image

How to mount a qcow2 disk image. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

cannot use VMs

1:52 AM

can use chroot. whats the problem with a chroot

advantage with qemu-img is you can create an image and it expands as you use the storage space

1:52 AM

no, use an image that you can mount like a hard drive

cannot use VMs

then chroot

oh

1:53 AM

ok let's see; thanks

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tux-linux

dd if=/dev/zero of=lfs.img bs=1M count=32768

dont know if i have enough space

but you should really use something else than bedrock linux to do it

dill

dont know if i have enough space

use qemu-img

1:53 AM

qemu-img create -f qcow2 lfs.img 60G

1:53 AM

that creates a ... 135KiB disk image

1:54 AM

that expands up to 60g

command not found

1:54 AM

qemu is installed

qemu-utils maybe?

done

1:55 AM

dill@bedrock:~$ sudo mount lfs.img $LFS
mount: /mnt/lfs: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
dill@bedrock:~$

did you not look at the link I shared above?

1:56 AM

and also, you didn't even format it

ohhhh

2:00 AM

there is no partition

2:00 AM

nbd0. no nbd0p1

How would you create a partition on a SD card with fdisk ?

ah

Do the same with nbd0

do i mkfs

after you created the partition

sorry - have to go

2:05 AM

see you

bye!

just tried garuda

5:26 AM

eugh...

5:26 AM

0/10 do not recommend

Uh oh

12:16 AM

Getting vaccinated

me it's friday

Nice

12:29 AM

Just got it

how was it like?

It wasn't what bad!

1:41 AM

*That

1:41 AM

It hurts for less than a second then you have to make sure you keep moving your arm

Hm ok thanks

1

You shouldn't worry

yeah, though from what I've collected, the answer is, with no doubt, "your mileage may vary"

mileage?

that exists, no?...

5:28 AM

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/your_mileage_may_vary

your mileage may vary

ahh yes

5:29 AM

arm is a bit sore right now but only where i got the injection

usually it disappears after a day or two

yep

recommendation: if you're right handed, get the needle on the left arm

12:37 AM

also drink a lot of water

Yeah I'm left handed But thanks

ah, then get it on your right

Btw did you try proxmox?

4:16 AM

That's amazing

server thing?

Just got it running on an old Mac

for virtualization? cool!

Combine KVM and a web interface

ahhhh, nice

good luck!

1

how was it

Well, didn't get much side effects for now, hopefully nothing will appear later...

Yep!

12:41 AM

Great :D

12:41 AM

Btw, I'm able to compile Palemoon tomorrow (maybe)

Hmm nice

I'm using a temporary solution for my monitor thing

12:42 AM

Will also try VirtScreen tho

InkBox is about to get out too (for real, real, real, and real this time)

YES

12:42 AM

Brb

dill

Will also try VirtScreen tho

Depends on when I can get a real distro installed

I told myself that I needed to write the docs before but after that I'll probably release it

dill

Depends on when I can get a real distro installed

lightweight (i.e., console-only Alpine) would be better

12:43 AM

-- and armv7, not aarch64 because Kobos aren't 64-bit

1

i hate console only ;p

12:49 AM

messaging from lineage OS, btw

better get used to it, because palemoon is the worst thing I've ever tried to compile

12:50 AM

access it over ssh if you want

yes, ssh is a good idea

tux-linux

better get used to it, because palemoon is the worst thing I've ever tried to compile

wdym? errors?

12:58 AM

or ram

dill

wdym? errors?

both

ah

1:00 AM

is there a lightweight distro with gui (wm?)

1:02 AM

preferably i3

1:02 AM

alpine with i3?

yeah, that could do if you really don't want to just use SSH

i've done some pretty stupid things over SSH

1:07 AM

(i.e. LFS)

Well, you should learn not to repeat these errors anymore, because SSH will become more and more useful as you'll be using Linux (edited)

yes. i should

1:13 AM

ssh is especially useful as i like to listen to music and use discord while compiling

...the audio jack doesn't work

1:33 AM

welp

I don't have an audio jack on my rpi 400 ;p

haha

1:34 AM

well, same thing ;p

1:34 AM

(since this one doesn't work)

1:37 AM

well time to install alpine i guess

alpine installed

9:13 PM

ssh is being weird

9:14 PM

also, how would i go about building LFS on BTRFS?

9:14 PM

btrfs has snapshots which i need

9:14 PM

also i cant build from a liveusb because too little ram and buying more ram is not worth it

aaaaa fsck it

10:29 PM

im installing arch on this rpi

You could set up a chroot on Arch with Alpine Would that be more convenient?

dill

also, how would i go about building LFS on BTRFS?

Maybe? Btrfs doesn't have a particularly great reputation regarding stability and reliability though...

tux-linux

You could set up a chroot on Arch with Alpine Would that be more convenient?

yep

12:43 AM

apk just makes me so mad :/

You can download the mini rootfs and start from there

Pacman 6.0.0 is fast

dill

btrfs has snapshots which i need

Have you tried zfs?

Nope, is it good?

Definitely yes

I.e. better than btrfs

Tbh I haven't tried btrfs but so far I've read it's better

Ah. I'll try it

I mean most of btrfs (if not all) features are in zfs and it's just more mature

Thanks

How much ram do you have?

8g

4:51 AM

Wait no

You'll be fine

That's on Rpi :/

4:51 AM

4g

You'll be okay too

4:51 AM

Is it a 64 bit processor?

4:52 AM

(I'd tell you to read a bit about zfs before going for it, as the more you get what's going under the hood the better you'll be able to set it up, but IMHO you'll be amazed by it when you try it out :D)

fermino

Is it a 64 bit processor?

Yes it is (well I know it) Btw, very nice to see you here again :DD

dill

Pacman 6.0.0 is fast

You have military grade internet lucky you

tux-linux

Yes it is (well I know it) Btw, very nice to see you here again :DD

Thanks! I hop in every once in a while (I have the app in my phone)

5:03 AM

If it's x64 then ZFS on Linux will work just fine

Don't know if you've seen what I'm preparing with InkBox but next release is gonna be huge

5:04 AM

(full X11/KoBox integration namely)

Niceeee

5:05 AM

Is there any place I can take a look at the progress so far? I feel I've missed a ton hahahah

Yeah, like I bridged Qt and X So you can launch apps with a simple tap

5:05 AM

Well there's the InkBox GitHub

5:06 AM

Kobo-InkBox/kernel

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

5:06 AM

There for boot things, main scripts are in initrd/common

dill

4g

Oh btw if you're on arch you might want to have an lts kernel as zol (zfs on Linux) as far as I can tell doesn't support kernel 5.12

tux-linux

See https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/startx

I'll take a look :D

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Maybe you'll find that I am too concerned about security, but well I like how it's designed and how all the pieces finally start to match up together after months of exhaustive work

Well, there's never "too much security", right?

5:10 AM

I bet! I mean, it's a ton of work for sure!

My excessive use of OpenSSL and digital signatures is maybe a little too much?

5:11 AM

But I like to be serious

Oh, for the updates and so on? (I remember having read something about it)

Yeah, but also the rootfs gets verified at each boot and so does X11 things

Nah, I think it's just fine and actually a good practice (that a ton of people don't care about)

5:11 AM

Oh, that's nice too

Kobo-InkBox/kernel

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

Let's see

Actually that script is a mess but it works

Hahaha

5:12 AM

I'd say it's fine

5:13 AM

If people want to modify things, they probably know enough to figure out what the script is doing

5:13 AM

Actually, secure boot is more or less the same thing

Concept is you have extensions you can drag and drop in exportable storage and you can launch the app via GUI with one tap, seamlessly

The kernel and it's modules, I believe, get verified on each boot

fermino

Actually, secure boot is more or less the same thing

Wanted to enable that but seemed a little out of my knowledge, although I did modify some of the U-Boot code

(But the keys are propietary and embedded in the hardware)

5:14 AM

Well, for secure boot you'd need UEGI

5:14 AM

UEFI**

There's HAB for imx

What is it about?

Similar concept

Nice

5:16 AM

Hey

https://boundarydevices.com/high-assurance-boot-hab-dummies/

Gary Bisson

High Assurance Boot (HAB) for dummies - Boundary Devices

This post intends to provide all the information you need to understand and use the HAB on your Boundary Devices’ platform. For i.MX8 platforms, please see our newer post: HAB – i.MX8M Edition The goal is also to provide an update on our older blog post on the subject as it required an old U-Boot version. […]

I have to goo to sleep

5:16 AM

Hahahah

Me too

5:16 AM

Good night!

Thanks! You too!

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5:16 AM

And if you happen to need anything, just DM me

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5:16 AM

I might not read everything here but I receive the notifications

5:17 AM

See u guys!

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fermino

Oh btw if you're on arch you might want to have an lts kernel as zol (zfs on Linux) as far as I can tell doesn't support kernel 5.12

On bedrock

6:36 AM

Bye guys :D

fermino

Is it a 64 bit processor?

Yep

6:42 AM

Pentium t4300 or something from 2009 ;p

Seems Reddit and stackoverflow are down

12:30 PM

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tux-linux

Seems Reddit and stackoverflow are down

I know there were some big internet outages here in Argentina

6:38 PM

I don't think it's related, but.... (?

6:39 PM

I'm not sure how big the thing was

Fastly (CDN) went down for a bit, so all hell broke loose for a bit there ;p

It was in California for the IPs that I checked

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Welcome!

12:09 AM

It seems they are back up

you're kind of busy right now (sorry) but i wanted to ask your opinion

yes?

building LFS with systemd
building on zfs (how? I assume enable it in the kernel and install xfs-progs before booting into LFS)

Should be possible (edited)

i also assume there's a systemd edition (edited)

4:56 AM

of LFS (I know there's one for BLFS IIRC)

there is

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also, grabbing the sources from the broken one instead of downloading them?

if you stay on the same edition, it should be good, but since you want to go with systemd, i suggest you download them all and start clean

yep sure, although the old one has systemd sources as well ;p

4:58 AM

alright! time to start, i guess...

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also. bspwm how?

5:21 AM

would i download each of the sources for the dependencies and use the online instructions or...

yes

there seems to be only fluxbox, icewm, openbox and sawfish (edited)

5:25 AM

baskerville developed bspwm?! what!

5:30 AM

also. i miss arch, so... time to reinstall really quick

using btrfs.

finished cross toolchain

update: finishing temporary system

@tux-linux Are you available right now

12:00 AM

I'm having a bit of a problem compiling gcc

And it is?

Sorry

5:21 AM

Here

5:21 AM

5:22 AM

Yes, you get a crappy image of my reflective 2009 laptop screen... hang on

5:22 AM

5:23 AM

Don't have any idea, sorry... Maybe you should ask on Linux questions? (edited)

Yep sure

4:21 PM

Also asking on the Arch and Gentoo servers

idea for InkBox

12:05 AM

make a KoboRoot that puts the option to install InkBox into nickel

dill

make a KoboRoot that puts the option to install InkBox into nickel

That's impossible InkBox OS is why

not os

12:52 AM

just the .adds

12:52 AM

wait im stupid, just make a koboroot

X11 support would be extremely difficult and would need serious kernel modifications and partition layout changes to correctly work

ah

4:05 AM

did LFS just-

4:05 AM

disappear

4:05 AM

magically

nvm it wasnt mounted properly or something wut

5:26 AM

ALSO GCC FINALLY COMPILED, YAY (edited)

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Fixed by?...

it...

5:38 AM

just worked

5:38 AM

idk

5:38 AM

maybe i actually didnt make a typo

Ok...

idk!

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dill

maybe i actually didnt make a typo

it was probably this tho

5:38 AM

i am now in chroot

5:38 AM

(ssh ofc)

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@tux-linux time to start building the system CrazyEyes

6:23 AM

i hope i don't mess up! (edited)

6:23 AM

just in case, i am backing up the temp. system (edited)

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hear about Windows 11?

yes

i'm on board as long as they keep the taskbar as it is.

1

Not planning to use it at all from my side

since my family is a windows family

4:02 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

dill

since my family is a windows family

although i solely use linux nowadays

4:02 AM

only windows for about... half an hour a day

4:06 AM

how's inkbox development going?

1.5 will probably never see the light of the day

It's been months and I still have improvements to make for a real release

heh...

4:09 AM

what kind of improvements

well, not always improvements, but I have to do billions of usecase testing for each function in the OS to see if every single situation will be covered appropriately

ah

and thus, correct the billions of mistakes I made when I was coding the tested program

try not to make too many features tho, or it'll be an absolute beast to debug

It already has too much features

4:11 AM

and it's already a hassle to debug

then remove some

No, I like them I know no one knows inkbox os as well as myself, but I'm willing to go down a rabbit hole of debug issues if a problem happens

4:13 AM

(and I've already done that ... several times a week)

ah

But it has become so demanding that sometimes you feel that the Kobo's slowed down

4:14 AM

though, that's with 800mhz processors and 256mb ram If I port that to the Glo HD or the Clara, that probably won't be an issue

yes, try to keep it minimal on the less powerful models

dill

yes, try to keep it minimal on the less powerful models

No, please... I'm already struggling to do a single release, not gonna start to strip some features or I'm gonna go crazy

oh yeah that's tough...

4:16 AM

don't stress yourself out, work on one thing at a time

yeah... I hope that at least, I will have some (big) recognition by people when I finally get that release out

4:17 AM

And I'm wondering if I do the mupdf thing for 1.5 or 1.6

tux-linux

yeah... I hope that at least, I will have some (big) recognition by people when I finally get that release out

yes, it's a big thing

But will people realize it?

yeah...

tux-linux

And I'm wondering if I do the mupdf thing for 1.5 or 1.6

actually, already made major changes to some scripts (not easily revertible), so I have my answer

1.5?

Yeah, I'll do it for 1.5, it's just lots and lots of refactoring since mutool works in a completely different way than the other method I used before, unless you want to wait 2+ minutes for the book to open

oh that sucks...

so I'll do it one-page-at-a-time kind of thing, will load roughly 2-3 secs/page turn, so guess it's better than 2minutes

yeah, it's similar to nickel's amount of time

I'm just feeling that my brain holds too much things now and I have like a metric ton of work to do for the reader framework, I look forward to finally just publishing that and not worrying about it for two or three weeks

i feel like that sometimes too, it's good to just space the work out. no need to rush

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but, I did some good things for the update process and now it looks much simpler and works better than before

4:26 AM

update.sh

6.65 KB

4:26 AM

still, it's crazy what you can do with a shell script

yeah

4:27 AM

i prefer python tho

python's wayyyyy less portable

wait

5:38 AM

what was the alternative you suggested to make check in glibc

nothing?...

oh that was for gcc nvm

~ compiling zfs on an atom D525 (edited)

1:26 AM

This WILL take a while

Bet LLVM is up next ;p

Reader framework now supports ePUB formatting!

:DDDD

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6:28 AM

Nice!!

Yeah, and almost no clipping out

6:43 AM

I'm working on it

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FUKC

If you really want to, skip the tests

yep, what i'm planning to do is:

tux-linux

there should compiled binaries Just run the GCC one

this

somehow 1 sbu just became a lot quicker

1:22 AM

1:22 AM

for more than one package

1:23 AM

(i.e. no errors)

1:23 AM

weird.

hm.

2:01 AM

only 27 packages left to go

2:01 AM

(and linux 5.10.17)

2:01 AM

i think i might be able to finish by the end of tomorrow

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dill

only 27 packages left to go

*28, need btrfs-progs too

8 packages left

And...

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dill

(and linux 5.10.17)

I'm on 5.12.10 ;p

LFS?

Gentoo

That explains it

unstable, to be correct

5.10.17 is the one on the website so that's what I'll use idk

5:32 AM

I don't want to break anything like I did last time

hihihi

Do I need e2fs-progs or do I replace that with btrfs-progs

you better install them anyway

Yea, I did that with the other one as well (installed a lot of fs-progs packages)

5:40 AM

since I am very panicked about the whole "oh no i might delete /lib again" I am backing up right now

good idea

but first... linux 5.10.17

YES

7:34 AM

YES

7:34 AM

YES

7:34 AM

:D

@tux-linux just a thought... LFS on a Mini with InkBox as the host system? (I have an 8G SD card so maybe a 16G one would do??)

9:46 PM

Through serial...?

dill

@tux-linux just a thought... LFS on a Mini with InkBox as the host system? (I have an 8G SD card so maybe a 16G one would do??)

You might want to look into buildroot But Alpine is already well established and migrating to buildroot would be an absolute mess (edited)

11:03 PM

btw

11:03 PM

clipping out is now a thing from the past

11:03 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/commit/40262b05068814b4d390053b21aa1354ae0b7f15

Replaced QLabel by a QTextEdit; no more clipping out · Kobo-InkBox/...

All's working! (Except maybe some layout shenaningans)

tux-linux

btw

And try to guess what's new

tux-linux

clipping out is now a thing from the past

:DDD

tux-linux

And try to guess what's new

Title?

1:07 AM

what do you think?

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1:07 AM

useful or no

1:07 AM

:p (edited)

@tux-linux help

2:11 AM

gulps nvm im not installing NM

2:20 AM

i'm also installing scratchpkg

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Probably gobject or something dependency missing?

Checking the Gentoo ebuild is usually a good start if you're missing a dep

Yep

probably glib-utils or gobject-introspection

I have all the required deps and some optional ones

dill

i'm also installing scratchpkg

Good idea or no

2:26 AM

Someone over at the Gentoo server said it worked for them (edited)

2:27 AM

(it's the venom linux package manager btw)

Unless you want to break your shiny new LFS, I would stay away from it

well i mean i have a backup so

Do what you want then

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I'm compiling git rn

2:30 AM

i forgot to build asciidoc

2:31 AM

tux-linux

1.4 ? Probably not until next week

Looking a bit at older messages... That's one thing you can never trust me about, for sure ;p

haha

fermino

This WILL take a while

So after not being able to boot anything (not even debian) I just went with arch and it just worked. My guess was that there's something odd with the bios and EFI installs. I just installed it as BIOS and it's working

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Well I just received my new Glo, found for $30 on marketplace

8:32 PM

So one more target available for InkBox

Nice :D

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scratchpkg has not broken LFS

1

12:18 AM

so far

12:18 AM

ofc, i havent even added a repo to sync from yet (edited)

i guess... i need to... chose a repo??? (edited)

Yes?...

fumbles around internet\

1:04 AM

cries\

I don't get it...

I said to use long options for Syu

4:25 PM

And he told me to seek help

6:36 AM

aaAARGH

6:36 AM

it's ALWAYS

6:36 AM

the XORG LIBRARIES

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First entry in that list seems legit

8:55 PM

(Happily avoiding it like the plague since its inception, OpenRC ftw) (edited)

I use systemd but only because it's easier to use...

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

They should add a "accidentally removed /lib" option

dill

aaAARGH

yes I got it

cries NOOOOOOOOOOOO

fsck LLVM

@tux-linux help? also sorry for ping but i'm really stumped...

8:29 PM

llvm wont compile, and mesa needs llvm, and xorg applications need mesa

let me try to ninja again

8:43 PM

I KNEW IT

8:45 PM

I need to disable Gallium

NiLuJe

First entry in that list seems legit

I love systemd

https://haavard.me/files/alfa.pdf

hey guys, I have a question if any of you have a sec

6:26 PM

I'm trying to backup a huge stream to tapes, and I can't figure out a way to span the backup to multiple tapes. I know I can do tar -M and that works fine, but so far I've tried tar needs a list of files, and I only have a stream of data (zfs send). I was thinking of using split but I don't know if there's a way to mimic tar's behavior of telling me "hey dude change the tape" and waiting for me to tell it to continue.

6:26 PM

thanks though

Split with the filter option, maybe?

6:33 PM

@fermino

fermino

I'm trying to backup a huge stream to tapes, and I can't figure out a way to span the backup to multiple tapes. I know I can do tar -M and that works fine, but so far I've tried tar needs a list of files, and I only have a stream of data (zfs send). I was thinking of using split but I don't know if there's a way to mimic tar's behavior of telling me "hey dude change the tape" and waiting for me to tell it to continue.

You mean... real tapes? cool! So you have a big data stream to send to tapes. I suppose you send that stream to some /dev/* device? And you split the stream to multiple files... But you cannot keep the files on the disk since it's too huge, right? Thus, you need to find a way to tell split to stop each time the tape's full and let it continue. Have I understood correctly?...

7:25 PM

Maybe you'll find something in the --filter option, as pgaskin said That might help you: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38645207/send-output-from-split-utility-to-stdout

Send output from split utility to stdout

From this question, I found the split utilty, which takes a file and splits it into evenly sized chunks. By default, it outputs these chunks to new files, but I'd like to get it to output them to s...

That's neat, thank you both! (sorry for not responding before, busy day). I think it should work well; I just need to figure out how much space there's actually in the tape. They're advertised as 400GB, but I'll have to try that out.

that must take hours to back up ...

I'll probably end up making a script to grab the snapshot, split it, and then pipe it through pv to be able to actually see how far it's come

good idea, yes

YES. I think it's writing at ~60MB/s

That fast?

4:12 AM

I thought tapes were even slower

4:12 AM

Or it's some professional-grade tape I'd guess

Supposedly LTO-3 drives can go up to 80MB/s. Tested taking from /dev/zero and it reached 82 i think, but with real data it goes down

4:14 AM

Sort of, it's kind of old but it's supposed to be enterprise grade; found it on mercadolibre.com (ebay-like, local) reaally cheap (edited)

nice

4:14 AM

What drive are you using to read/write to it?

Its an HP Ultrium 1760 (SAS)

nice

4:16 AM

and I guess there's no random access to the data

Nope

so you have to read it all to see some particular file you need

4:16 AM

*nice*

Well, I guess if you know where it's at you could just fast forward there

It's not compressed data, right?

Not really

4:17 AM

i mean, the drive has some sort of compression algorithm already; but besides that I'm not using anything

couldn't you make an xz pipe on-the-fly to speed things up? (edited)

Yeap

4:18 AM

But well, this is an Atom D525

4:18 AM

So....

Ouch

Might benchmark it with gzip or lz4

Now let's do the math of "Is backing up uncompressed data to tape faster than doing it with an xz pipe but seriously heavy-loading the CPU"...

Also, I'm still thinking between going for zfs send, or actually using tar for it. The problem with zfs send is that if I have any problem with one tape, the whole snapshot is unusable. With tar, it should be a little bit more reliable

You could use zfs send and pipe that to XZ to make a raw compressed dump

4:20 AM

zfs send (or whatever your data stream comes from) | split file ... | xz > file.xz

This is without anything besides the drive ;-;

oh...

mem and swap is decent though

(you don't want to know how much time it took to compile zfs hahahah)

Let's talk about LLVM!

4:21 AM

or qtwebengine

hahahahah

fermino

(you don't want to know how much time it took to compile zfs hahahah)

how much?

tux-linux

Let's talk about LLVM!

and my thousand errors trying to compile it lmao

I didn't measure it

4:21 AM

But... A while

which means...?

4:21 AM

a day, two days, three days, one month...?

No

at least a day i'm guessing

xD I just remembered you guys do have experience with this

4:22 AM

It didn't take more than an hour

ah

Maybe 30mins?

LMAO

4:22 AM

wow....

4:22 AM

really, you shouldn't complain

that's fast in my standards

llvm and 16 hours on my raspberry pi...

oh boy..

4:23 AM

Yeah, nevermind xD

lol

my next goal is to get gentoo running on some imx507 crap

dill

at least a day i'm guessing

(btw I didn't recompile the whole kernel, just the DKMS module)

tux-linux

llvm and 16 hours on my raspberry pi...

Yeah, even worse: installing Gentoo on a thin client took 2 days ... just to compile the kernel

(i have no idea how to not recompile an entire kernel when i want to compile 1 module)

make modules at least

(it gave me an error)

how-to-not-use-a-tape drive-101

Good luck

the problem with it is that at low speeds it "shoe shines"

3:55 PM

The drive head goes back and forth and it wears down the drive and the tape

3:56 PM

So supposedly I should go at least at ~85MB/s to avoid that :/

3:59 PM

btw I gave up on trying to store the whole zfs snapshots because one error would render the whole thing unusable

3:59 PM

And also I gave up on having a progress bar with tar

3:59 PM

Now I'm gonna try to use mbuffer to avid destroying the tape

(edited)

Again, good luck, hopefully you won't have backups less secure than their original versions...

Thanks

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4:01 PM

hahahah I hope not

Well, found the problem

4:49 PM

tar totally wrecks the CPU. The max throughput I'm getting is ~70MB/s but totally maxing out a CPU core

maybe try with a lighter compression algorithm?

No compression ;-;

oh

yeap

4:50 PM

hahahaha

can't you make it use multiple cores?

I mean, is not too bad...

tux-linux

can't you make it use multiple cores?

I'll try that out

4:51 PM

The other option would be to force tar to use one core and the buffer/dd to use another

I've never done that, but multiple cores using tar should be enabled by default

4:51 PM

(imo)

4:53 PM

Seems you have to use a compression algorithm

4:53 PM

I'd go for pigz then

yeap

4:53 PM

But the actual archiving process I think still runs in one thread

4:53 PM

... maybe ... use another archiver?

Yeah

4:54 PM

I'm thinking of 7zip https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2983/is-there-a-parallel-file-archiver-like-tar

Is there a parallel file archiver (like tar)?

Is there something out there for parallel archiving of files? Tar is great, but I don't use tape archives, and it's more important to me that the archiving happens quickly (with compression like b...

yeah

4:54 PM

we got to the same question lol

hahahah

Though 7-zip has its limits and doesn't handle Linux ext4 things very well sometimes (edited)

I'm running zfs, though

ah true don't know if it handles zfs well either though ;p

hahaha

Oh

4:56 PM

maybe cpio?

(Another problem is that the tape itself has internal compression, so even if I feed it 80megs/sec but it's compressible data it would shoe-shine it as well)

if that can handle multiple cores

4:57 PM

https://linux.die.net/man/1/star throwing ideas, don't even know if it will work

star(1): unique standard tape archiver - Linux man page

Star is a very fast tar(1) like tape archiver with improved functionality.

I'll try booting without smp first, because I'm actually using tar's multi volume function

4:57 PM

I've kind of seen it

4:58 PM

Amidst the hundreds of pages I've been surfing lately hahaha

But... couldn't you like mount a remote folder via sshfs containing the compressed files/stream or is it only on the machine?

It is only in the machine

then, sshfs from the machine to remote

4:59 PM

and back to the local machine with compressed streams from a faster computer

Well that's an option

4:59 PM

Yeah, might not be bad

(or NFS, don't know which is more reliable) (edited)

Well this is not bad

5:03 PM

still too slow, no?

It is slow but I don't hear the tape stopping every 2 secs hahaha

cool if it works

Not bad at all

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Hmm

5:37 PM

Now I'm lost

5:38 PM

it seems that tar's multi-volume option closes/EOF's the stdout after finishing the first volume, so the second volume doesnt' go through the buffer but get's sent to the terminal :/

5:39 PM

tar --tape-length=1G -cMf - /home/fermino | mbuffer -m1G -P50 -R70M -q -l /mbuffer.log | dd of=/dev/st0 bs=8M status=progress

(edited)

so after first volume, output is redirected to console, like stderr or something?

yeap

5:39 PM

mbuffer and dd exit

maybe there's an option to tell pipes to grab all output?

Yeah... I've been trying to find something like that

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2342826/how-can-i-pipe-stderr-and-not-stdout

How can I pipe stderr, and not stdout?

I have a program that writes information to stdout and stderr, and I need to process the stderr with grep, leaving stdout aside. Using a temporary file, one could do it in two steps: command > /...

5:40 PM

maybe?

The thing is that

5:40 PM

I don't think it gets sent to stderr

Well it must be sent to something

But rather that mbuffer detects the EOF and closes the fd

5:41 PM

I'll try nulling stderr to see what happens

1

5:43 PM

Nope, it's still stdout

Uh?

5:44 PM

so it sends an EOF and then the output gets to stdout, but before it is piped?

No

5:44 PM

Like

5:44 PM

The whole thing works for the first volume

5:45 PM

Then tar (supposedly) sends an EOF and prompts the user to change the tape. I press enter and the thing doesn't get pip'd anymore

5:45 PM

tar --tape-length=1G -cMf - /home/fermino 2>/dev/null | mbuffer -m1G -P50 -R70M -q -l /mbuffer.log 2>/dev/null | dd of=/dev/st0 bs=8M status=progress 2>/dev/null

that's becoming a scripting nightmare definitely

I guess you can try it out, just change the dd output

ok

tux-linux

that's becoming a scripting nightmare definitely

Yeah, literally all the options lead to this

5:46 PM

Wheter it's just trying to get a progress bar / avoid shoe shinning / whatever

5:47 PM

Maybe I just need to split the folders in half hahahahah

I'd do something like (pseudo code) if read line EOF < stream; then restart process with vol. nb?

hmm yeah

5:48 PM

That might actually work

5:49 PM

I mean, if there's anything that helps me handle EOF without closing the fd (I mean, I'm guessing an EOF. Couldn't if be that it also closes the fd too?, IDK)

that's out of my knowledge, sorry

You're good!

5:53 PM

This is the only thing I could find https://superuser.com/questions/837660/tar-using-progress-bar-and-handling-multi-volumes

Tar using progress bar and handling multi-volumes

I'm trying to create a tar of a large LVM volume onto multiple external drives. That part is solved. Now, because it is a LONG process, I'd like a progress bar. From the excellent articles here,...

hmm

5:54 PM

So a fifo could maybe be of help

Waittt.... I'm guessing: The tape reports an EOF when it's about to run out of space (that's a special kernel thing for the tapes), so tar handles that by prompting for a new tape

5:54 PM

So,

yes ...

What if the --tape-size is the actual thing that is closing the fd?

but then, you'd have to handle changing tapes with another way

I still can pass it a -M and let the autodetect feature work its way

Then what happens if you try without?

I'm using the --tape-length just to try it out without waiting 2 hours (edited)

5:56 PM

I'll put a smaller tape and try that out

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What if... I then put the whole thing to another mbuffer+dd?

7:17 PM

I mean... in theory it should work

maybe

Has anyone ever experienced something like this? I got a string, "true", which is read from a file using cat and put into an env var. That string contains a new line character "\n" which I thought bash/ash didn't make a difference between that and the string which didn't have one. So, with that in mind, I compare the var:

if [ "$STARTX" == " true" ]; then
  do something
fi

Initially, I did echo "true" > /mnt/flags/X11_START, which is the file holding this value. The comparison equals false when done. Now, if I do echo -n "true" > /mnt/flags/X11_START, the comparison equals true. Like ... why ... on ... earth ...?

Because the LF matters

really? I've already done tens and tens of string comparisons with \n in the file/string and it returned true

Nothing strips it until you ask for that explicitly

8:06 PM

[[ "true" != "true\n" ]] && echo "true ;)"

Maybe is it because I did echo that with the fish shell

I don't use fish, but echo -n is not portable, and has a long list of weird quirks

8:08 PM

Just use printf

I tried with bash now, let's see what it returns

8:09 PM

And it seems to work (with a newline character). So fish's echo is not for that job

8:09 PM

Yeah fish is not POSIX-compliant at all, I'd love if it was, but I mainly use it because it remembers everything I do and I can just tab/right arrow for command completions

8:11 PM

Here's cat -A's output. First 5 flags were done with fish's echo (no -n) and the last one with bash's echo (again, no -n)

gentoo-linux /run/media/nicolas/341C02201C01DE2C/inkbox-img # cat -A /mnt/flags/*
false$
true$
false$
false$
false$
true $

8:14 PM

Interestingly enough, the FIRST_BOOT flag which was written with fish got recognized by the OS at boot. No idea why X11_START didn't. Anyways, I re-did that with bash now, hopefully all will work well, thanks

Something (cat or the substitution itself) might be stripping trailing newlines in some circumstances

8:15 PM

The details don't necessarily ring a bell off the top of my head ;p

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https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/168e8fd204160c2fc7e599f64bf0778908963d88/initrd/common/rcS-std#L180-L183

Kobo-InkBox/kernel

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

8:16 PM

That's where it is compared

But echo -n (or, basically, echo itself) is usually a recipe for disaster and weird broken quirks

8:16 PM

Use printf, as shellcheck would ask

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Ok, I'll remember that

8:17 PM

Though most of the current stuff is working with echo for now with busybox ash and Qt. I'll probably use printf for later stuff, thanks

Jules Bertholet joined the server. 7/2/2021 6:34 PM

Hello again

Bonjour

6:45 PM

Is there a downloadable package for the 1.5 version?

Well yes

6:46 PM

Where did you see that it's been (silently for now) released?

Github

Cool

6:46 PM

What's your Kobo model?

Aura H2O2 v2 (edited)

Hmm sadly I'm don't have support for that device

6:48 PM

Mainly because it doesn't have an internal SD card

6:49 PM

I could, if you really want to, provide you a .adds package, but the feature set is greatly reduced without InkBox OS

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6:49 PM

I only support the Mini, Touch N905C and Glo currently

6:50 PM

FYI, the packages are usually there: http://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox

6:52 PM

Does that thumbs up mean a 'yes, I want it'?

tux-linux

Does that thumbs up mean a 'yes, I want it'?

It would be nice to have, yes. This looks like a really cool project

Thanks! I'll see if I can make you that by tomorrow maybe But if you want to test it out better, you should get your hands on one of the three supported models if you can. Because X11 won't run with Nickel. I'll publish a video soon with all the features demoed.

Also, the H2O² is super weird in terms of input

9:15 PM

(Especially so on the first gen variant)

NiLuJe

Also, the H2O² is super weird in terms of input

can confirm

Goran joined the server. 7/4/2021 9:40 AM

Hello @Goran !

docphees joined the server. 7/4/2021 7:15 PM

Hello @docphees !

@Jules Bertholet Didn't have much time lately to make the Nickel package. However, I'm currently working on an emulator version of InkBox with QEMU that should allow more people to try it. I'll see if I can make you that Nickel add-on soon.

1

hi! :D

Coming soon

1

And we have our keyboard!

1

And the search button does something now!

4:25 AM

great!

1

So. Do I wipe Nickel on the Libra and start working on InkBox, or do I work on NickelBoot for the Mini?

InkBox

2:29 AM

well it depends on what you want to do ;p

InkBox 1.6 is out! http://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.6/ It introduces a "Go to page" function and the search button now does something when you click it. Also, a VNC viewer (based on krdc from the KDE project) is included for users with rooted devices

:D

FxFyu1v1 joined the server. 7/12/2021 9:33 PM

Hello @FxFyu1v1 !

Hello!

9:36 PM

You must have reflexes of steel lmao

What brought you here?

The InkBox 1.5 Reddit thread

Cool

hey!

FxFyu1v1

The InkBox 1.5 Reddit thread

well 1.6 is out now ;p

Yeah. I saw in that thread that @tux-linux was considering a Clara HD build and I just got one so I figured maybe I could help as a tester if that ends up happening.

Sure, I was thinking about that lately. Sure it would be awesome! Already testing on my Libra which has an eMMC, so a lot more dangerous but it works, so a bit of the hard work is already done for kernel/hardware porting. I could provide you instructions for initial porting/testing. How much are you familiar with Linux in general?

I'm not much of a developer (just a little), but I've been a user for years now.

Cool. Now for kernel porting, a serial connection to the device would be ideal. Dunno if you'd be willing to open your device... though, it's the best debugging way we have.

1:54 AM

(also, opening it would be necessary to reflash the internal microSD card)

1:55 AM

(which you can backup before)

iirc they're pretty easy to open

1:56 AM

Shouldn't be a problem

Do you have an USB-to-serial adapter/Arduino/Raspi you could plug the wires in? (edited)

I should have a couple lying around

Then I think you're good

1:58 AM

Honestly, you can just put toothpicks to hold the wires in place and never solder them

1:58 AM

that's what I do all the time

Probably what I'll do

When would you be willing to start experimenting?

Might be able to open it sometime this week

cool

I'll have to find my adapter

1

I'll try to compile a kernel for it meanwhile

1

Thanks, appreciate it.

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https://liliputing.com/2021/07/kobo-clara-hd-becomes-an-e-ink-linux-tablet-with-the-help-of-postmarketos.html Well, we're gonna beat that

Brad Linder

Kobo Clara HD becomes an E Ink Linux tablet with the help of postma...

Kobo Clara HD becomes an E Ink Linux tablet with the help of postmarketOS

3:27 AM

https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/2334 They even cited InkBox in there! (edited)

Draft: kobo-clara: new device (Kobo Clara HD) (!2334) · Merge reque...

Hi, this adds support for the Kobo Clara HD ereader. It includes both the vendor kernel and the mainline kernel with...

damn, mainline kernel

yeap, they're lucky

3:49 AM

Don't know if for InkBox I'm going to choose that option. Read about the waveform a bit... Though, 4.1.15 kernel is still fine IMO

3:49 AM

On older devices (e.g. Mini, Touch, Glo) I had to stick with 2.6.35.3

3:50 AM

I mean, after some time you find workarounds for certain things that won't work and adapt, but it's still a mess to handle. E.g., can't run decent rootfs with glibc versions > 2017 because of FATAL: Kernel too old!

y i k e s That's what's nice about mainline support - it'll be there once kobo give up

At least, yes. Thing is, Kobo has already given up for Touch/Mini/Glo since a long time and I don't know if somebody is going to look into porting a newer kernel (I'm not at the level of porting a kernel myself) musl libc is there to assure compatibility though at least (edited)

Yeah. I'm sure mainline is possible, but probably not worth the effort for anyone.

yep, especially given the fact that 2.6 was pre-dtc/dts/dtb

:0

4:36 AM

the person from the thread did it! (edited)

Wow

that could be a very good project

4:37 AM

inkbox as an app

Honestly I'm not sure they'll be able to 'package' it as they say

4:39 AM

The underlying infrastructure is so complicated that most of the features (X11, namely) won't be available. Though, getting basic reader stuff work would not be too much of a hassle I'd think (edited)

yep, that is true. there would be no point in packaging X11 tho.

it is already in pmOS, yeah

4:40 AM

Well, someone could fork it, and just writing "false" to /boot/flags/X11_START is already a good start for disabling it

yeah, or simply forking + removing X11 from InkBox entirely (edited)

I think keeping the main build on upstream would be good for them, and honestly there isn't much more to modify to hide X11 options entirely. It's as simple as that: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/218b64ef7f696e3830df3b4ba2e5702ff8197a70/apps.cpp#L29-L40

yeah, but X11 would make the package heavier

why?

4:43 AM

it's -- separate --

(as in, taking up more space) (edited)

No, well, I think it would remove a few KB from the program, not much to worry about

ah

legit these things are harder to put back together than to take apart wtf

I've had a similar issue with my Touch

Damn. The back pops rights off easy.

5:01 AM

But I had to push inwards and down pretty hard to get it back on.

5:01 AM

I think once I start messing with it I'll tape the back on loosely to avoid too much on/off cycling.

yeah sure

5:02 AM

If you have a case you can probably just put it back inside without a tape (edited)

No case yet sadly.

Ah. You should consider buying one. those things are fragile

Yeah, I'm planning on it. Still deciding which one.

@dill What-- I realized there were Debian packages for palemoon armhf I absolutely *need* to try this

MartijnBraam joined the server. 7/13/2021 1:33 PM

o/

Hello!

do you have any docs on the mainline driver for the epaper display?

4:51 PM

it seems to do interesting things with the grayscale value ranges

I know that the waveform is needed to display anything beyond black and white and it is located at sector 14336 of the SD card

4:54 PM

It gets loaded by U-Boot when booting and is passed to the kernel as cmdline arguments in the form of memory addresses

yeah that's working on pmos now

4:54 PM

I'm messing with actually controlling the panel now

But who are you? ;p (edited)

I'm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByvmEqJvZBU

Martijn Braam

postmarketOS on the Kobo Clara HD

Oh, cool

4:55 PM

Now I see

MartijnBraam

I'm messing with actually controlling the panel now

What does not work?

oh it works, but it does interesting things

That's eink

it seems like grayscale values from 0-63 give the full black-white range

4:56 PM

and the next 64 the same

4:56 PM

for 4 grayscale ranges in total

4:56 PM

but they behave different on refreshing

Are you in 32bpp mode?

yes, but I'm just setting gray pixels so the math in the kernel maps it 1=1 to 8-bit gray

MartijnBraam

yes, but I'm just setting gray pixels so the math in the kernel maps it 1=1 to 8-bit gray

What? Sorry, you lost me

yes the kernel is in RGBX8888

So you're trying to print gray pixels all over the screen, right?

and the kernel driver seems to convert that to grayscale for the panel

4:59 PM

that background is one long grayscale gradient from black to white

Ouch

it seems like 2 bits of the grayscale color are used for a mode instead

Ok now I see

5:00 PM

Did you hear about FBInk?

5:01 PM

Pinging @NiLuJe there if he wants to join the discussion

MartijnBraam

it seems like 2 bits of the grayscale color are used for a mode instead

Did you try with the vendor kernel? Does it do the same thing?

it does something else apparently, haven't tried that

5:02 PM

I'm more interested in the mainline one

Sure You could try printing that image on the screen with FBInk to be certain that it's not an X11 issue

fbink looks interesting

Also, consider using https://github.com/tux-linux/fbink-xdamage for graphics. It's 2 or 3 times faster that the default auto update mode thingy

tux-linux/fbink-xdamage

A xclient that listens for xdamage events and refreshes EPD using FBInk - tux-linux/fbink-xdamage

5:05 PM

And it *might* solve that waveform problem (edited)

it's not a problem, I just need to know how it works (edited)

Well the image you sent me clearly shows that something is going wrong

yes that's a debug image

5:06 PM

to figure out what it's doing

It seems a bit distorted when the bars change colors; is it your phone or is it like that in real life?

that's real life

5:07 PM

I guess that's the panel dithering

5:07 PM

there are no bars at all in the source image, it's a smooth gradient

Ahhh

5:08 PM

Ok that's really strange

5:08 PM

Where is your waveform stored? Still in the unpartitioned space?

the waveform is fine, I'm trying to figure out what the bits mean

5:09 PM

but nobody writes any actual docs

MartijnBraam

the waveform is fine, I'm trying to figure out what the bits mean

But shouldn't the image show correctly if the waveform is fine?

no because I'm not sending it the correct image data, it's rendering the 4 parts of the image in 4 different waveforms

5:10 PM

but I'm trying to figure out what the waveforms mean

5:10 PM

Did you try a hexdump of them?

it renders fine if I don't do that and only use the first waveform

Might that help a bit? https://hackaday.io/project/21168-fpga-eink-controller/log/57302-waveforms-table-introduction

Waveforms table introduction | Details | Hackaday.io

With eink display, you cannot just send "set pixel black", "set pixel white" or "set pixel grey", the brightness of display depend on a sequence of voltage applied for a certain time on pixel.The table found in "Source driver" section on Essential Scrap site is incomplete, when you send 0b10, you do not actually set pixel white, you apply a vol...

right fbink is also for the downstream kernel

fbink could also work with your mainstream one I would think I got it running on a kids tablet a few months ago

5:17 PM

Sorry I feel a bit silly; I'm learning as this conversation goes

http://essentialscrap.com/eink/waveforms.html

Driving waveforms

5:28 PM

That seems to contain quite a lot of info

E-paper-mode-declaration.pdf

353.92 KB

Maybe that too could help? https://github.com/fread-ink/inkwave

fread-ink/inkwave

Convert electronic paper display waveforms from .wbf to .wrf format - fread-ink/inkwave

I found that too: https://www.c-dis.net/media/images/upload/E.ink_10.3_Moebius_ES103TC1_TV0.1_ES103TC1%20Preliminary%20Spec%20V0.1_2016070....pdf

6:09 PM

And that seems very detailed: https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/micromachines/micromachines-11-00498/article_deploy/micromachines-11-00498-v2.pdf

Err, which mainline driver? :o}

well mainline-ish

https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/2334 for the main pull request

Draft: kobo-clara: new device (Kobo Clara HD) (!2334) · Merge reque...

Hi, this adds support for the Kobo Clara HD ereader. It includes both the vendor kernel and the mainline kernel with...

https://github.com/akemnade/linux/blob/68a824b30627891b3ee03685c51b4c8592d3daba/drivers/gpu/drm/mxc-epdc/mxc_epdc_drv.c

akemnade/linux

Linux kernel source tree. Contribute to akemnade/linux development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ah, then no idea. The i.MX driver is 1:1 8bpp Y8, FWIW (edited)

9:14 PM

Then dumb decimation to quantize to the actual effective palette

9:14 PM

0x11 stride between values, IIRC

this is actually an drm driver

9:15 PM

but yeah I hoped someone who worked with this driver was here

Nope, you'd have to ping the author (I'm not entirely sure this is in a finished/usable state, actually)

it definetly works

Right now it appears to be requesting AUTO, which, normally, asks the PxP to do an histogram analysis of the damaged area to return the index of the most appropriate wfm in the table for said damage (edited)

yeah but the 2 most significant bits of the grayscale also seems to affect the waveform

tl;dr: black box magic! (edited)

9:22 PM

That would be specific to this kernel, then ;o)

9:23 PM

You can try patching that and just requesting GC16, to rule out a PxP/AUTO mishap

9:24 PM

https://github.com/akemnade/linux/blob/68a824b30627891b3ee03685c51b4c8592d3daba/drivers/gpu/drm/mxc-epdc/mxc_epdc_drv.c#L266

akemnade/linux

Linux kernel source tree. Contribute to akemnade/linux development by creating an account on GitHub.

I kinda want to be able to request DU also

DU is plain black & white, so weird quantization and/or skipped damage is to be expected

9:25 PM

(if the input doesn't fit the bill)

I know

9:26 PM

it's also fast

9:26 PM

great for keyboard highlights

Yup

9:27 PM

(A sane & working AUTO should be pretty good at groking when to use DU, FWIW)

9:27 PM

(It won't ever go so far as A2, but, DU, sure)

Do those displays have A2?

They do, but it's even more stringent about saying eff u if the input isn't B&W

9:28 PM

(and the FORCE_MONOCHROME flag is... buggy as all hell)

Hmm ok. So better to stick with DU then

Please enjoy this rant on the subject: https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/blob/9e6b568982dc628ff97c88631987ea977f4cef9e/fbink.c#L2434-L2466 ^^

NiLuJe/FBInk

FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print text & images to an eInk Linux framebuffer - NiLuJe/FBInk

wow, that's fun

9:31 PM

Whoops, seems I have learned that at my expense... https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/blob/9e6b568982dc628ff97c88631987ea977f4cef9e/fbink.c#L2460-L2461

Yeah, that one was super weird.

9:32 PM

I mean, if you diff the Forma and the Libra's kernel, they're basically the same.

9:32 PM

The HW is also pretty similar.

9:32 PM

And I've never ever seen that happen on a Forma. (edited)

9:32 PM

I've seen a Forma deadlock for no apparent reason, but, that, no ;p

Probably an epdc-specific quirk

tux-linux

@dill What-- I realized there were Debian packages for palemoon armhf I absolutely *need* to try this

:0

Hey!

gasps\

3:23 AM

WOW

Maxnet joined the server. 7/15/2021 10:56 AM

Hello @Maxnet :)

Helo

And you are? (your GitHub name reminds me of something, but I can't tell where I saw it)

tux-linux

And you are? (your GitHub name reminds me of something, but I can't tell where I saw it)

I'm Max, postmarketOS Contributor. Just saw Martijns ideo about the kobo clara, whcih made me thinking of buying a used one

Yeah, it's very nice. They're a bit costly though these times

tux-linux

Yeah, it's very nice. They're a bit costly though these times

Yeah. But running them with a close-to-mainline kernel on pmOS with Inkbox would be a dream

6:35 PM

FLOSS e-reader

Sure. But you'll probably not be happy with InkBox's way of doing things in the kernel...

6:35 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/rcS-root That's what it does (InkBox OS) at boot

6:36 PM

Though, getting minimal reader functionality to work without all that is possible. But sadly X support will probably have to be designed separately, as the way I handle that in InkBox OS is kind of... complicated ;p (https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/startx) (edited)

6:37 PM

Feel free to ask me if you need any help

hi, maxnet!

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I got this !@#$ dhd.ko wi-fi driver working! So probably Wi-Fi for all InkBox devices in the next update

Hm. No, seems that another error has come up. I do iwlist eth0 scanning And (of course!) I get eth0 Failed to scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable And ring buffer is saying this:

[   31.517891] Set ISCAN for wl_iw_iscan failed with 0
[   31.635547] CONSOLE: 
[   31.637827] CONSOLE: wl0: wlc_scan_request_ex, can not scan due to error -4

7:58 PM

This was bound to go wrong

And it seems it does that with the default kernel/stock OS too Interesting. Though, when Nickel has launched, magic happened and it works (edited)

Is eth0 the right interface? I can never remember which ones use wlan0

It is always eth0

8:14 PM

Never seen wlan0 on any Kobo

It's wlan0 on some older models, IIRC

8:14 PM

And on the Elipsa, incidentally ;p

Well, this is a Touch N905B, you can't get really older

8:16 PM

Seems that three modules are loaded; dhd, sdio_wifi_pwr and lowmem

8:18 PM

Wow, now iwlist eth0 scanning triggers a reboot

kernel panic?

Also, do you know what hindenburg ever does?

8:20 PM

probably, but nothing has been printed on serial

Minor dbus/monitoring stuff. less and less as time goes by

So nothing really related to wi-fi

It used to possibly handle scanning at one point in time

I found some old scripts in /usr/local/Kobo from 2011. Doubting it still uses them, but at the time it seems they were using wpa_cli

8:32 PM

OH THE HUMANITY! Some line from strings /usr/local/Kobo/hindenburg...

Whew, reopened the issue. dhd.ko is the worst driver I've ever dealt with.

tux-linux

I got this !@#$ dhd.ko wi-fi driver working! So probably Wi-Fi for all InkBox devices in the next update

:0 (edited)

9:03 PM

oh oooof

yeah, no, read below

yep...

c.f., the koreader script for wlarm_le usage

got it working by doing wlarm_le up but is there source code for this at all?

(Never investigated this myself, I don't have affected HW)

9:06 PM

In the dhd package, apparently

oh

Broadcom being broadcom, I guess ;p

NiLuJe

And on the Elipsa, incidentally ;p

you bought one?

That looks interesting

build@inkbox:~/wifi-mk3$ rgrep . | grep wlarm_le
Binary file src/wl/exe/wlarm_le matches
build@inkbox:~/wifi-mk3$

9:08 PM

So they included... the binary

Yup >_<". It would have been impossible to support otherwise, given how weird the kernel is

And you kept it, since it's 15 days passed?

Well, i ran out of time to support all the things, so, i'll see what I can do, but it looks like it, yeah :/

Do you like it any?

9:10 PM

It seems we're lucky

build@inkbox:~/wifi-mk3/src/wl/exe$ ldd ./wlarm_le 
        not a dynamic executable
build@inkbox:~/wifi-mk3/src/wl/exe$ readelf -h ./wlarm_le 
ELF Header:
  Magic:   7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
  Class:                             ELF32
  Data:                              2's complement, little endian
  Version:                           1 (current)
  OS/ABI:                            UNIX - System V
  ABI Version:                       0
  Type:                              EXEC (Executable file)
  Machine:                           ARM
  Version:                           0x1
  Entry point address:               0x8140
  Start of program headers:          52 (bytes into file)
  Start of section headers:          1228932 (bytes into file)
  Flags:                             0x4000002, Version4 EABI, <unknown>
  Size of this header:               52 (bytes)
  Size of program headers:           32 (bytes)
  Number of program headers:         6
  Size of section headers:           40 (bytes)
  Number of section headers:         37
  Section header string table index: 34
build@inkbox:~/wifi-mk3/src/wl/exe$

I could at least include it in the rootfs if it's static

9:11 PM

Oh, so actually the source code is there. rgrep didn't do its job

9:14 PM

What does he mean exactly?

9:14 PM

Well now I have a more portable PC! ;p

tux-linux

Well now I have a more portable PC! ;p

Woah

4:03 PM

Seems like I missed a ton hahahah

cronburger joined the server. 7/17/2021 9:31 PM

Hi cronburgundy

tux-linux

Well now I have a more portable PC! ;p

Next up: neofetch :P

Hi @cronburger !

Hey, finally did some docs! http://alpinekobox.ddns.net:40/mediawiki/index.php?title=InkBox:_General_information I went on a trip lately and was 4 hours in a car, so I brought my raspberry pi and Kobo with me and I wrote that on the road

:D

tux-linux

Hey, finally did some docs! http://alpinekobox.ddns.net:40/mediawiki/index.php?title=InkBox:_General_information I went on a trip lately and was 4 hours in a car, so I brought my raspberry pi and Kobo with me and I wrote that on the road

On a trip too haha

Anyone here use pmOS on the kobo clara hd regularly? (edited)

Antoine joined the server. 8/1/2021 9:37 PM

Hello ! I saw this thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/oddesp/inkbox_os_15_custom_opensource_os_for_ereaders_is/h40tah2/ ) and I'm asking me if InkBox now works on Clara HD. Thank you for the work anyway

r/linux - Comment by u/tux-linux on ”InkBox OS 1.5 (custom open-sou...

170 votes and 39 comments so far on Reddit

Doesn't (yet) Hopefully, when all my things will be working again (coming back from 1 week of vacation), @FxFyu1v1 and I will start porting that

Super nice

9:42 PM

I'm looking for an alternative OS for my clara hd, do you know any ? @tux-linux I couldn't find any expect yours

PostmarketOS has seen recent developments on the subject

9:43 PM

https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/2334

kobo-clara: new device (Kobo Clara HD) (!2334) · Merge requests · p...

Hi, this adds support for the Kobo Clara HD ereader. It includes both the vendor kernel and the mainline kernel with...

Mmmh... I'll try this but i'm afraid to do wrong things. The most geek thing I ever did is install a linux distro ^^. I will #readthefuckingmanual i guess

9:46 PM

thanks for the link

2

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Got my hands on like 70 DVD-r's so that's fun

Nice

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

oh oof heic

2:48 AM

theres the mpeg ^^

tux-linux

Nice

yeah, my dad had them lying around from a loooong time ago ;p

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Cool

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georgesaker147 joined the server. 8/9/2021 6:37 PM

btwarch147 joined the server. 8/9/2021 6:38 PM

If I install the kobo add on version of ink box, will the stock firmware still be wiped or can I just launch it with Nickelmenu or kfmon?

The latter

7:36 PM

Hello btw

Hello, I’ll install it then…

But warning: it's not up to date due to being a hassle to manage on top of existing packages

1

It’s working, thanks for your help

1

Unfortunately not really usable for me in the end as features that I really like the look of are only available in 1.6

️. Great work though.

Thanks Have you got any of the compatible models?

Unfortunately not, I’ve only got a Libra H2O which I don’t think I can get at the sd card.

There is a way to install it natively on a Libra (I have one myself) alongside Nickel (dual boot) but it's dangerous

I really don’t wanna brick it! Thanks for your help though.

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Just installed KoBox (looks like i'm going through all your projects today) and its crashing/not responding to touch on startup. Everything appears to load (menubar etc) and the keyboard launches but it then doesn't respond to touch. Any idea how to fix that?

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hi!

Hiya

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/releases/tag/1.7

Release InkBox 1.7 · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

Wi-Fi support for some devices (N905B and N873) OTA updates support (experimental) InkBox now can remember your book's page number and reading settings (disable Settings -> Reading -> Glo...

btwarch147

Just installed KoBox (looks like i'm going through all your projects today) and its crashing/not responding to touch on startup. Everything appears to load (menubar etc) and the keyboard launches but it then doesn't respond to touch. Any idea how to fix that?

Sorry for the late reply. As I happen to have a Libra H2O, I put some tweaks to allow touch input in the script that does that. Start KoBox, telnet/SSH into the Kobo, go in /mnt/user/root/.utils and there should be some python file in it. Uncomment the lines relative to the Libra H2O and restart your device, then relaunch KoBox. It should work. If you need help, feel free to ask more

Thanks, I'll give that a go...

I haven't got any files in /mnt/user...

Has KoBox been started?

not yet

Then start it, it will mount the filesystem there

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Which lines do i need uncomment? There doesn't seem to be anything obvious

Can you post the file's content?

#!/usr/bin/python3 import os

Touch mapper for Xorg/XDOTool >> Kobos

file = open("evtest-log","r") coordinates = file.read() file.close()

Prevent other exit status than 0 if evtest log file is empty

if len(coordinates) <= 10: exit() else: c1 = coordinates.split("\n") # Mapping x for item in c1: if "ABS_MT_POSITION_X" in item: c2 = item.split(" ") c3 = c2[-1] x = c3 print("registered native x " + x) # Mapping y for item in c1: if "ABS_MT_POSITION_Y" in item: c2 = item.split(" ") c3 = c2[-1] y = c3 print("registered native y " + y) # Dividing for lower resolutions # Originally made for Kobo Libra -> 1680x1264 / 2 = 840x632 x = float(x) y = float(y) x2 = x y2 = y print("converted native x to %s" % x2) print("converted native y to %s" % y2) # Passing x + y to xdotool os.system("DISPLAY=:0 xdotool mousemove {0} {1}".format(x2, y2)) # Clicking mouse button os.system("DISPLAY=:0 xdotool click 1") # Done! Emptying the file os.system("> evtest-log")

1.7 :D

Hmm, my bad. Restart the device, then killall nickel sickel hindenburg echo 3 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/rotate /mnt/onboard/.adds/kobox/kobox-boot.sh (All via SSH)

Traceback (most recent call last): File "/root/.utils/xorg-kobo-touch.py", line 32, in <module> x = float(x) ValueError: could not convert string to float: '(ABS_MT_POSITION_X)'

9:44 PM

I'm seeing this error in the console

Touch the screen

its topped showing the error

9:45 PM

but nothing appears to be registered on screen

Is the screen in landscape orientation?

yes

What if you click on 'applications'?

clicking the applications button shows it switching desktops

hmm

It looks like the touch is being inverted

9:47 PM

eg: touching applications activates buttons in the opposite corner

is it landscape with the buttons pointing up?

the buttons are at the bottom

9:48 PM

eg opposite to the applications bar

So it is not like that? https://i.redd.it/uqsu96wm6ta61.jpg

no

then retry the commands I put above, but echo 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/rotate instead

Thanks, I'll try that

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9:53 PM

Its working! thanks for your help

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Welcome!

Hello

Whee! https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/commit/dc864f6d4e61ba98fa086252e2c8b723a4940a2e

PDF support! · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox@dc864f6

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12:11 AM

Just moved in to a new place, may need to find the mini to try it again

Well, it's not an official release yet

12:12 AM

Though, 1.7 got out yesterday

Ah, understood. Either way I caught it out of the corner of my eye, kept it in the box I think

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I need to find mine too...

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Hi!

Hey!

tux-linux

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VNC?

No...

10:23 PM

fbgrab

Also @btwarch147 is having the same problem as I had a few months ago (remember? :p) with my Aura H2O

tux-linux

fbgrab

Ah

It has been solved

btwarch147

Its working! thanks for your help

There

*was haha

Works great now, I'm setting up i3wm on it

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Anything else I should try to implement after working PDF support and scaling for 1.8?

you might want to make the README a little more Windows-friendly

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tux-linux

Anything else I should try to implement after working PDF support and scaling for 1.8?

Have you considered encrypted storage? Might be kind of a cool unique feature for an ereader.

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tux-linux

Anything else I should try to implement after working PDF support and scaling for 1.8?

Support for the libra as an add on

tux-linux

Anything else I should try to implement after working PDF support and scaling for 1.8?

You already considered to package it for alpine/postmarketOS? Is it feasible?

btwarch147

Support for the libra as an add on

Difficult Not possible, even Sorry

Maxnet

You already considered to package it for alpine/postmarketOS? Is it feasible?

Not really, kind of needs the operating system I designed it for

10:08 PM

But thanks for suggestions

FxFyu1v1

Have you considered encrypted storage? Might be kind of a cool unique feature for an ereader.

That seems doable. I'll see if it's possible to implement it Thanks for the idea! (edited)

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Hello, just learned about this awesome project and I must thank you for that. For years I've been looking for a FOSS ereader and this might be a good solution

Any idea of supporting newer devices like the Libra H20, Claro, Elipsa ?

Hello! Thanks, the only device that might get support is the Clara HD because the Elipsa and Libra don't have a removable microSD card

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Hi NiMa, just checking in from your GitHub discussion regarding support for Aura H2O (N250). What do you think?

It would be doable. Apparently, it has an internal SD card. You'd have to setup a serial connection to debug the kernel (easy with a RPi or USB adapter and some toothpicks). But is it a N250 or a N250B actually?

It is indeed a N250 model. Does that mean I have to open the case to access some internal contacts, or does it work over the USB port?

5:58 PM

Does that also mean, my model has two SD cards, one external for user access, and one internal for the OS?

5:59 PM

Trying to get a better understanding

There's an internal SD card slot & card, with both the OS and user storage

6:03 PM

And there's an external SD card slot

6:04 PM

We're talking internal one, here

6:04 PM

Although, IIRC, serial access and/or patched bootloader might allow booting from the external one (edited)

6:04 PM

the TL;DR: being: You still need to open it.

6:04 PM

And it's not necessarily the easiest at that

6:05 PM

(waterproofing, IR grid, old panel)

6:06 PM

And the QPA currently doesn't handle the H2O quite right, because it doesn't handle the screen's viewport (top 11px are hidden behind the bezel)

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NiLuJe

And it's not necessarily the easiest at that

Can confirm (at least for 2nd ed.)

NiLuJe

And the QPA currently doesn't handle the H2O quite right, because it doesn't handle the screen's viewport (top 11px are hidden behind the bezel)

Is there a way to get around it?

Probably, the pointer to the start of the buffer just needs to be incremented by 11 scanlines and the height decreased by that much

BTW, I upgraded my Wiki hardware: it's now an Alpine container running in Proxmox. Much faster, but less fun. Anyways, it deserved it ;p You can access it at http://inkbox-wiki.ddns.net or at http://alpinekobox.ddns.net:40/wiki Enjoy! (edited)

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Hey!

Hello!

Started working on it @FxFyu1v1, thanks for the idea ! https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/commit/b48a8d5741d960c8d8dad920fc8788f1b46acfaa (edited)

Add EncFS for user storage encryption · Kobo-InkBox/rootfs@b48a8d5

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welcome

Hello!

Hello!!

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Hi!

Hey :D

coming

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Hey, 200th commit in the InkBox repo! https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/commit/b3da27809613e9ef108500f8059582c2f108708d

Basic encryption setup working & hourglass animation · Kobo-InkBox/...

Hey, 200th commit in the InkBox repo!

Congrats :D

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Hi! Have you managed to add compatibility to the kobo clara hd? I recently saw that postmarketos has it

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Sky

Hi! Have you managed to add compatibility to the kobo clara hd? I recently saw that postmarketos has it

Working on it!

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Hullo

hi

10:14 PM

I was checking the inkbox firmware for kobos

10:15 PM

I have a Kobo Glo HD, would the firmware work with it?

Not currently. But you can help development if you want (mine is completely broken)

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any updates on clarahd support?

welcome all

hi

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I was going to ask if the Libra h2o is supported but it looks like it's very ill advised haha

I put it on mine You have to be veryyyyy careful though

12:39 AM

It even has already available native support in InkBox OS

Hmmm

Though you have to do some heavy manual setup via serial console for it to work

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InkBox 1.8 release finally coming!

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Wheeeeeee! http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.8/ https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/releases/tag/1.8

Release InkBox 1.8 · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

PDF support Encrypted storage support Local storage search USB improvements UI/UX improvements Bug fixes Enjoy! :)

Yeeeee

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Hey all, I'm here now. I can disassemble my aura hd if you need. I'll have to use another SD card so I can go back but that's not a big deal. Let me know what you need from me.

Take a look at this, it's possible we could just display this project perhaps. But it wouldn't have the backlight scheduling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSf9xuUPog

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Turn ANYTHING into a smart display! Project: SmartFrame -- V2!

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Hello !

hey!

I guess I'm on to something there...

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WHEEEEHEE !!!!!!

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ayyy :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDo9HatyieY

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n705/inkbox-1.5-n705.xz

InkBox OS emulator

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Is this new layout looking fine ? I'll be trying to implement a Gutenberg-based online library in the next weeks (edited)

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YESSS :D

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That's looking pretty neat

Hmmmmmm

7:32 PM

Rounded or not?

yes!

Looks more modern

also i forgot how you did the timezone thing (edited)

?

because my inkbox isnt on daylight time

7:34 PM

its one hour off

At worst you can do date -s "2021-12-27 13:34"

7:34 PM

then hwclock --systohc

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Neat, huh?

i like where this is going :D

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hi, just thought i'd join to see what developers are doing on the kobo - very impressive work so far

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hi, just thought i'd join to see what developers are doing on the kobo - very impressive work so far

you might wanna check out https://discord.gg/hhGz9VXw too

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unofficial server made by me, but some devs use it

great, thanks - hopefully pgaskin and niluje

yep

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Hi greetings Kobo Mini owner here

hi!

Hullo

Just been playing right now. Imaged 1.5 rc1 for Mini but no windows partition to upgrade.

Why the rc1? Your should take the 1.5 release

12:31 AM

12:31 AM

rc is for "Release candidate"

Actually let me jsut double check that

12:33 AM

No it is inkbox-1.5-n705 so that's ok actaully

Ok, what problem are you experiencing?

Shutdown the Kindle remove the SD card put in Windows it says unrecognised H: partition do you wish to format.

12:34 AM

With the 1.0 image there was a drive with the .inkbox directory

Flash with balenaEtcher

I imaged it twice with Raspberry Pi imager

tux-linux

Flash with balenaEtcher

btw, i had nothing to do at lunch so i went ahead and did more README stuff

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Does the Kobo boot?

1.0 imaged just fine btw

made a pull request

Yes it boots just fine

12:35 AM

Even runs X fine

12:35 AM

Can some one md5 sum the image for me?

yep 2 secs

12:36 AM

$ md5sum /srv/pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/n705/inkbox-1.5-n705.xz 
0d40da4cacea7fbd5dfb72c15ea09d79  /srv/pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/n705/inkbox-1.5-n705.xz

0D40DA4CACEA7FBD5DFB72C15EA09D79 inkbox-1.5-n705.xz

12:37 AM

Looks alright then

Daboone72

Even runs X fine

but then, what's the problem? It doesn't work when you connect it via USB?

Well ok I'll try with balenaEtcher

12:37 AM

I can't use the inbox-update-1.8.upd.isa file as there is no partition to copy too

What does it show like? 512MB volume?

12:38 AM

Strange, but yeah, click on format, format as FAT, should work

8Gb SD card there is a 3.8Gb partition

12:38 AM

Ahh maybe shitty partition table

Daboone72

I can't use the inbox-update-1.8.upd.isa file as there is no partition to copy too

You need to update to 1.6 before 1.8

1.5 had the auto update feature as I recall

Daboone72

Ahh maybe shitty partition table

The exported USB storage is just a file, not a partition

12:39 AM

It is located in a partition, but it's a raw image file

I think I'll delete all the partitions first this time maybe it was a bad write

12:42 AM

Actually I'm crazy I'll use a decent Sandisk disk

yeah, change your SD

12:42 AM

and flash with etcher to be sure

12:42 AM

microSD cards don't usually like writes like this that much

Raspberry Imager is good actually it does verify nicely and unlike WIn32 Disk imager doesn't have problems with mounted drives

12:45 AM

I'll keep an open mind I gues maybe balena has more tricks

RPi Imager should be good too

12:45 AM

But my only tested imagers were dd and Etcher

Balena is not impressing option WRite Sandisk on Drive C:,G:\

12:47 AM

You are seriously joking

what?

There you go seeing is believing

So your SSD is a SanDisk too? Nice bug

12:49 AM

Welp, I guess you can go back to RPi imager

Something weird going can't even see it RPI imager now

...reboot? That's weird

Seeing what disk manager says

12:53 AM

Is anyone experimenting with getting wifi going on the N705 I think it's possible

Nope, sorry...

12:54 AM

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/105 See here

dhd.ko module incompatible with self-compiled kernel · Issue #105 ·...

I've recompiled a kernel from the imx507 sources for a Kobo Mini and Kobo Touch. All is fine but the wi-fi module doesn't want to cope with that kernel. I compiled the other modules...

I'd like to have a go after doing some chipset research

12:57 AM

Is that for the same chipset as in the Kobo Aura that is working with Wifi

Yes, probably

12:58 AM

Haven't tested with those, but the Aura is IMX507, not IMX508, which should cause some problems

https://github-wiki-see.page/m/neuschaefer/linux/wiki/Kobo-Aura

(the Mini, Touch C and Glo are IMX507)

BCM43362

12:58 AM

CyberTan WC121 SDIO wifi chip, well that's the one in my N705.

yep

12:59 AM

WiFi was effectively possible with the stock firmware, but was probably done with some obscure help of unknown magic forces ;p

I'd hardwire the selection with the kernel config

12:59 AM

As in build it in

I tried that, wasn't a big success IIRC

1:00 AM

I don't want to go through that rabbit hole again

That ifconfig: ioctl 0x8914 failed: Operation not permitted there must be some permission layer in the way.

I think it was more related to firmware download

Yes the guy saying if the firmwares are there it works

Because on Touch B (IMX508), it did that first, and then I put a firmware for it in /lib/firmware and it went up without issues

That was you odd

What happened after is that I did the same thing with IMX507 (Touch C, Mini, Glo), but then got problem, even with firmware provided on the stock rootfs

eth0 odd interface shouldn't it be wlan0 as well scratches head

It's just a matter of kernel module code

1:02 AM

I guess you could name it test0 or kobo0 if you'd want to, too

Well I can see you've been giving it a good shot

1:03 AM

I ws thinking I have an EDIMAX module if can get that micro USB port to recognise stuff

1:04 AM

That was a dream on the early Raspbery Pi's plug in and it just works

You can normally make the CyberTan act as an access point

1:04 AM

https://a3nm.net/blog/kobo_glo_hacking.html#Wifi%20AP

1:05 AM

Skip to point 5

Hmm do you mean like that's it's default mode or use case in a wireless hub

No it's not default, I tried it once, it effectively works but you can't set a passphrase

It would be great if we could make the last jump the mini's are so cheap on ebay and I half bet people are practically giving them away

1:07 AM

My goal is to pair it with a DGT chess board and use it as an external large eink display.

1:07 AM

£25 without battery and £8 for a bettery from Ali express if you can wait.

You can use USBNet though

Ahh great that is something

There's a VNC viewer since version 1.6 in InkBox

Yes I've seen that I'm hoping 1.8 has the xterm built in

1.5 has it built in

1:08 AM

But your device is not rooted

1:08 AM

So it hides it

Ahh that's why

You can root it by going in Diagnostics (slide the power button multiple times once the green light starts blinking at boot) and doing "Reset as root"

1:09 AM

There you'll be able to enable USBNet too

Ok cool will do that

(once your device is rooted, in the "flags" part)

At least if I can ssh to the thing that would help writing and testing some code

Yes you can

OR I guess telntet probably

Built-in SSH server

1:09 AM

on 192.168.2.2

1:10 AM

So you connect via USB, set your computer's ip to 192.168.2.1 and you ssh to .2

So could strap a Rasberry Pi 2W to the back and get internet that way

Yeah, but you can set up a bridge under a Linux PC and get internet access on the Kobo via USB

Well just looking for a lightweight stand alone option

Or with the RPi, yes

Hmm wonder if could do it with an ESP32 with some code that would be nice

Would probably be more appropriate than a whole computer

So that USB socket can be used for normal stuff maybe keyboard/mouse/dongle

And consume less energy too, maybe you could connect it somewhere on the VCC ports of the Kobo

Daboone72

So that USB socket can be used for normal stuff maybe keyboard/mouse/dongle

Not out-of-the-box, but if you try hard enough, yes

Kernel param maybe to switch modes like a Raspberry Pi can alter it's power direction

1:12 AM

I have a Pi with a touch screen and a Nextdock seem to recall

1:13 AM

One of the two had that magic think it was the nextdock

You could also have you RPi broadcasting over USB a VNC screen and connect the keyboard to the RPi, then access the VNC server on the Kobo with InkBox

1:13 AM

That's what I did this summer

Once it's networked though youc an run Vnc directly on the Kobo yes?

1:15 AM

Or is just faster on the Pi

1:16 AM

Well thanks Tux Linux for your efforts so far on the Wifi

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Daboone72

Once it's networked though youc an run Vnc directly on the Kobo yes?

What do you mean?

I remember looking through the feature list of Inkbox and saw Vnc ahh perhaps that was just a viewer

1:17 AM

But still there is X on it

Well, you can use x11vnc on it IIRC

1:18 AM

But why would you want to?

tux-linux

Well, you can use x11vnc on it IIRC

Actually yes, you absolutely can, since touch input in X is handled by a VNC viewer because I couldn't code a native input driver, so I used a Qt VNC viewer that had touch input working instead

I doubt I'd need X anyway mostly the point would be to sftp Python code across and check it still works sanely on the eink display

Though, the VNC server has the -localhost option, which means it only serves on 127.0.0.1:5900

1:20 AM

But you can start another one

Or golang probably but hopefully Kivvy

go isn't on the stock rootfs though

1:21 AM

Don't know much about Kivvy, but it's not there either (edited)

That's ok I've seen it on Alpine Linux though

1:21 AM

With the right architecture

1:22 AM

armv7 as I recall

It will be complicated to install InkBox's rootfs is a squashfs archive mounted read-only, and read-write is kind of difficult to accomplish, it is handled by overlayfs if you really want to, but you can't install packages, just create/modify files

Ouch ouch

At worst, you can apk fetch the package and untar all of it and deps onto the rootfs, the re-squash it

1:23 AM

That's what I do when I need to put a new package in

Can we unsquish it more permanently

Nope

I wonder why are you trying to sell this to Microsoft later or something and retire to a desert island

Nope, just for security Also, it writes less to the MMC, prolongs its life

I mean don't need compression this day and age with SDs as they are I got 32 Gb the other day for hardly anything

1:26 AM

Encrypted shouldn't be a show stopper either my work drive is encrypted can still write to it obviously

tux-linux

It will be complicated to install InkBox's rootfs is a squashfs archive mounted read-only, and read-write is kind of difficult to accomplish, it is handled by overlayfs if you really want to, but you can't install packages, just create/modify files

To give you an idea, here's what mount outputs on InkBox OS

rootfs/release.sh at master · Kobo-InkBox/rootfs

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Daboone72

Encrypted shouldn't be a show stopper either my work drive is encrypted can still write to it obviously

You're talking about encrypted storage feature?

You might lose out to android or postmarketOs

Yeah, you can add new books to that

When I bother to hack something I personally want flexibility to make it more useful

Daboone72

You might lose out to android or postmarketOs

Well, to be fair, most people aren't going to try to get SSH access and play with the rootfs once they flash InkBox (edited)

You can see I can't write software package it up as a deb or whatever and have it easily deployed

Daboone72

When I bother to hack something I personally want flexibility to make it more useful

You can make the rootfs almost read-write, fuse-overlayfs does well its job if you really want to, the only problem is a missing rename2 syscall that makes moving files impossible. Copy and remove is possible. The kernel on those devices is way too old (2.6.35.3)

1:30 AM

On testing models like Libra, rootfs can be completely r/w because the syscall is there

Ok will have todo some research see if Alpine's package manager unpacks and moves things

Yes it does, unfortunately

1:33 AM

But I guess you could untar the packages there and it would work

I wonder what about a /usr/local and force install there (edited)

Elsewise, you can make yourself a tiny Alpine r/w chroot in a disk image in mmcblk0p4 and install things there

Daboone72

I wonder what about a /usr/local and force install there (edited)

What do you mean?

Well partition the SD card with another lInux partition modify fstab once to mount that read/write

Yeah, you probably could

/usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib /usr/local/etc

You'd have to create disk images for them, but it would work

This is for user software not kernelly type stuff

1:37 AM

Well think I'll have to look at building Inkbox from the source to get some flexibility

Re-packaging the rootfs is quite simple: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/release.sh

InkBox OS root filesystem. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/rootfs development by creating an account on GitHub.

1:38 AM

Though, you need a kernel with your own public key to make the device boot

1:39 AM

Because the rootfs needs to be signed

1:40 AM

You can replace the contents of key.sqsh here https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/tree/master/initrd/busybox-1.32.1/_install-mini/opt with your public.pem and recompile a kernel

kernel/initrd/busybox-1.32.1/_install-mini/opt at master · Kobo-Ink...

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

Yes I remember reading that but you can build kernel too I saw

1:40 AM

Yep no probs

1:41 AM

I've done so much SSL these past few years openssl is like a friend

1:43 AM

Hmm seems like the easiest way might be a precompiled bundled binary. There is a model for those in Linux as I recall.

1:45 AM

Well it's late time to say goodnight thansk for chatting

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1:49 AM

@tux-linux One final thing though a quick google maybe some clues here. https://issueexplorer.com/issue/alpinelinux/docker-alpine/112

Request firmware failed with error 0xfffffffe - Alpinelinux/Docker...

Request firmware failed with error 0xfffffffe

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tux-linux

On testing models like Libra, rootfs can be completely r/w because the syscall is there

I confirm it is possible, it worked on the emulator running kernel 5.15.10:

inkbox:/# ifsctl mnt rootfs rw
**** Mounting root filesystem read-write ****
inkbox:/# apk --no-cache add xeyes
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/main/armv7/APKINDEX.tar.gz
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/community/armv7/APKINDEX.tar.gz
(1/5) Installing libice (1.0.9-r3)
(2/5) Installing libsm (1.2.3-r0)
(3/5) Installing libxt (1.1.5-r2)
(4/5) Installing libxmu (1.1.3-r0)
(5/5) Installing xeyes (1.1.2-r0)
Executing busybox-1.33.0-r1.trigger
OK: 144 MiB in 163 packages
inkbox:/#

Ahh goodly wonder if that would work for a Clara Hd too

Yep, once it gets ported

Of course ideally I'd like it on the Kobo Mini but if can get a good development environment will look at getting a Clara as I know wifi works on it

If you want to repackage the rootfs and make changes to the InkBox filesystem/kernel in general, you better use a developer key, or you'll have to re-sign all the packages of the OS, which is... long. The developer key alleviates this problem by requiring you to only sign rootfs-related packages

Daboone72

Of course ideally I'd like it on the Kobo Mini but if can get a good development environment will look at getting a Clara as I know wifi works on it

You can get a Touch N905B, Wi-Fi works on it

4:43 PM

(with InkBox)

4:44 PM

Not as fast as the Clara, but it's good nevertheless

tux-linux

If you want to repackage the rootfs and make changes to the InkBox filesystem/kernel in general, you better use a developer key, or you'll have to re-sign all the packages of the OS, which is... long. The developer key alleviates this problem by requiring you to only sign rootfs-related packages

See here for the details of the implementation: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/developer-key

@tux-linux Ok thanks will sort that out

For the developer key, I can help you, I'll tell you the steps

Others here I remember tux saying to go from 1.5 to 1.8 I have to upgrade to 1.6 first do you then have to upgrade to 1.6.2 and then 1.7?

1.6, you put the two update files at once Then I think you can jump to 1.8 without issues, without updating to 1.7 first

tux Ahh glad your here

It's upgrading now

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10:51 PM

The mini is a slow little machine.

True

I wonder though can this distro run in a virtual machine

Yes

Is the qemu command anywhere?

https://youtu.be/qDo9HatyieY

rootfs/update.sh at master · Kobo-InkBox/rootfs

InkBox OS emulator

Cool

1

10:57 PM

I wonder should I root at 1.6? Is it sticky between upgrades?

No

10:57 PM

It's pretty upgrade-agnostic

So it will survive in short

The whole system pretty much works with packages, even the rootfs, which makes upgrades a lot more easier and failproof : https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/update.sh

InkBox OS root filesystem. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/rootfs development by creating an account on GitHub.

Daboone72

So it will survive in short

Yeah

As I can imagine it's probably not that well tested in 1.8 but 1.6

No Though, if you want to root and stay at 1.8, there's a special procedure for that

Ok that is one very good benefit of the architecture

Because normally the reset as root reinstalls the whole system, reverting back to 1.5

openssl dgst -sha256 -verify /opt/key/public.pem -signature "${U_BOOT_DGST}" "${U_BOOT}" Guess the dev key is a sha256 pem then

Yeah

11:00 PM

Everything's verified like that

Nice diagnostics logo

Thanks

11:02 PM

It finished updating?

Yes to 1.6 I guess reset and allow root access then USB net appears in the menus

Wait a sec

As I can't see it in any of the other menus on 1.6 anyway

Do you have access to a Linux computer?

Yes

Or something with the dd command

Yes IBM M900 running Linux love it

Well, power off the device, we'll root it with dd, will be faster

11:04 PM

nice

I'm already in the diagnostic menu so will root i tnow

You sure you want to do a complete reset?

11:05 PM

Will take 15+ mins

It's fine it's brand new there's no books or data on there

And you'll have to upgrade to 1.6 again

Daboone72

It's fine it's brand new there's no books or data on there

If you want Though, it uncompresses ~3G of data onto the MMC, not sure if you want that to happen

Ohh it rolls back a version

yes

11:05 PM

It's like, a *complete* reset

Ahh ic that's a pity

11:06 PM

Ok I don't know how to answer the onboard storage size value anyway

So basically root verification works like that: if user flashes a ROOT kernel without having the root flag in the MMC, it reflashes back the STD (standard) kernel https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/b508f493c61b1e7c7164503babc7fc33861ea1cb/initrd/common/rcS-root#L157-L175

kernel/rcS-root at b508f493c61b1e7c7164503babc7fc33861ea1cb · Kobo-...

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

Alright can I do this with just an SD Card reader

Yes

11:08 PM

So echo "rooted" | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872

11:08 PM

You're fully updated to 1.6?

Yes it finished I was at the ink box main screen

No errors? You put the two upgrade packages at once?

Only 1.6 not 1.6.2

11:09 PM

I reimaged directly to 1.5 and then just applied the 1.6 upgrade

There never was any 1.6.2

There is in the downloads section

what?

11:09 PM

oh

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.6/n705/

well it's 1.6-2, not 1.6.2 I meant that as "the second part of the 1.6 upgrade"

Quite tiny though inkbox-update-1.6-2.upd_stg.isa

It's because of a silly error by me

Ohh should I do that one as well

11:11 PM

I may as well go to 1.8 then do this rooting

At that time, 1.5 images were almost perfect but I realized the update.sh didn't copy the digest file for the rootfs for verification at boot, so booting after updating the rootfs would always fail So the 1.6 update bind-mounted update.sh which had the cp command which copied the digest to allow it to boot. Then, the 1.6_stg real update installed a clean kernel without bind-mounting and working rootfs (edited)

Ohh curious it's updating again I guess that's why

Did you copy one or two files?

Just the one so I need to copy both?

If you copied the two it should work

11:12 PM

yes

11:13 PM

as stated in http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.6/HOWTO-Update

11:13 PM

Maybe it's just better if you reset as root

11:14 PM

Otherwise you might have problems debricking it (if it can't finish updating and gets stuck there)

We're thjere anyway

Oh it works?

It does boot eventually even without the second patch

So ok, now copy the 1.6-2 one

11:14 PM

It should hopefully work

11:15 PM

Because it's still actually at 1.5

If I copy both will it do any harm?

11:15 PM

Ther's only the can_update and can_really_update files in .inkbox now

Normal, after an update the update files are erased

11:15 PM

So copy the 1.6-2 and it should be fine

Ok

11:16 PM

Was the echo "rooted" | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872 all I need to root after that?

No, you also need to flash the rooted uImage

11:16 PM

But it's about it

Rooted uimage where do I get that?

dd if=uImage-root-n705 of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=81920 (edited)

uImage-root-n705

5.69 MB

11:18 PM

That's the one for 1.8 release, so you're better off upgrading to 1.8 first then rooting the device

Ok gotcha

Daboone72

Rooted uimage where do I get that?

It's in the update packages, which you can mount, they're squashfs images

11:19 PM

But I joined it above

I guess you do it via loopback it's been quite a while

Yeah, it's basically a mountable tar archive

11:20 PM

Quite useful

11:20 PM

The rootfs is also a mounted squashfs

11:20 PM

That's why it's difficult to make it read-write without overlayfs

Not used squashfs but I guess a compressed partition

Kind of

gzip special I guess

Saves space

11:21 PM

I personally use XZ compression

11:21 PM

Even more space saved (at cost of hardware resources, yes, but I made a choice...)

tux-linux

dd if=uImage-root-n705 of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=81920 (edited)

Actually seek= is 81920, not 2048, I modified it

Good choice CPUs fast disk is still slow

It gets better with newer devices like Libra

Ok

Even the Glo is noticeably faster (it's running 200MHz faster, same CPU but overclocked)

Ohh that Kobo elipsa looks nice 10.3 inch https://uk.kobobooks.com/products/kobo-elipsa?gclid=Cj0KCQiA8vSOBhCkARIsAGdp6RT9pJ_6aXGHj2VPQgGnpYk0zNBfmqncFXRU3mR-LCWj6fqrPEzLRTAaAgZGEALw_wcB

Kobo Elipsa Pack

Shop Kobo eReaders and accessories. For a convenient and customized reading experience on an E Ink, anti-glare screen that reads just like print on paper.

Screen is not that nice though

11:24 PM

227 ppi

11:24 PM

Clara HD has 300 PPI

Ahh there's a Kobo Sage too wonder if that has an SD card inside

Yes, I think

11:25 PM

Strangely

11:25 PM

It's tropicalized, so difficult to remove, but yes

I liked the forma but apparently it has hard wired memory

yep, and Libra H2O too

11:25 PM

But there has been discovered you can get an empty Libra to put itself in download mode if nothing is on the eMMC, so that's very useful

Ahh drat waterproof would have been handy for the beach

11:26 PM

Ahh that's not so bad if it becomes like a recognisable disk on the USB

11:26 PM

Yay upgraded to 1.6 now 1.8

You have to use a special tool (uuu) that can load U-Boot in RAM from USB, then you use U-Boot for rescuing the rest of the device

11:27 PM

Nice

11:27 PM

It *should* jump without any issues, although I haven't tested that in particular, but as you saw the update script is quite adapted for that

I was thinking before maybe of a developer image with useful build tools

Maybe, yes

Well even the 16gigabyte cards there seems to be lots of space to play with

The emulator would be quite a good candidate for that

Yes definitely a more pleasurable dev environment

Daboone72

Well even the 16gigabyte cards there seems to be lots of space to play with

But there's a 4 partition limit on the MBR layout

11:29 PM

And InkBox is configured that way, so you'd have to make an extended partition or use a disk image on user storage partition (not the same as exported storage)

Primarys but extended

yes

Or growfs even

11:30 PM

Ohh my can-update files are gone

That looks normal

11:30 PM

It deletes them too

Ok grand

11:31 PM

To sell my DGT friends into getting a Kobo Clara say, they would need convincing they still have a useful ereader after hacking it so this distro is a great choice (edited)

11:32 PM

They are hardware modders prepared to pop cases and swap Rsapberry Pi's over. So probably would like development option too.

11:33 PM

But happily comfortable with imaging a distro to an SD card and debugging so not a great leap

11:34 PM

Which Kobo are you thinking of getting the Libra H2O?

I already have it

11:34 PM

I ported InkBox OS to it, too

Ohh happy days

It's just not widely available due to the device having eMMC

11:34 PM

But the kernel sources are there, support in the OS is there too

11:35 PM

Device ID is N873, maybe you've seen it somewhere in the scripts

There's the Libra 2 not bothered about audio books but comfort light sounds quite nice

11:35 PM

I like the landscape mode it's nice for building apps

11:37 PM

8Gb to 32Gigabyte that's quite a jump

InkBox fits on a 4GB one

Daboone72

To sell my DGT friends into getting a Kobo Clara say, they would need convincing they still have a useful ereader after hacking it so this distro is a great choice (edited)

Curious, but what's "DGT"?

DGT Chess board Digital Game Technology https://digitalgametechnology.com/products/chess-computers/dgt-centaur-chess-computer

DGT Centaur Chess Computer | Digital Game Technology

The DGT Centaur Chess Computer automatically adapts itself to your playing strength. It gives you a fair chance to win and learn! Read more.

Oooh

11:39 PM

Nice!

It has a very tiny eink display on it. My idea have an external eink reader with a much larger display

And what would it display?

I can push the chess board status to the reader and display the board , move history other stats much larger

11:40 PM

If the refresh is good too display chess clocks with 1 second refresh

Qt would be nice for that

11:41 PM

Yes, refresh rate is fine

11:41 PM

There's a 'show seconds' option on the clock in InkBox IIRC

Yes well touch friendly interface is good too.

11:41 PM

Python and Kivvy would be nice the board custom mod is in Python and would then port to other devices easily

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tux-linux

There's a 'show seconds' option on the clock in InkBox IIRC

Yep

Though I don't yet know how Python is with Alpine as there is not a glibc but musl or something

Oh it works

11:43 PM

There's a static Python binary in the GUI chroot

Want to experiment run some gui tests in a virtual machine

11:43 PM

Try all the widgets out etc. If not probably golang and Qt which does threading rather nicely.

11:43 PM

I never did C++ sorry :-0

11:43 PM

inkbox:/# chroot /kobo
inkbox:/# pwd
/
inkbox:/# cd /mnt/onboard/.adds/Python-3.9.2/
inkbox:/mnt/onboard/.adds/Python-3.9.2# ls
LICENSE         Modules         python
Lib             libpython3.9.a  python3
inkbox:/mnt/onboard/.adds/Python-3.9.2# ./python3
Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
Python 3.9.2 (default, Mar  7 2021, 06:01:36) 
[GCC 8.3.0] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>

Your very brave I was advised against it when I was doing Perl at my first job

Really?

11:44 PM

I find Qt with C++ pretty nice (edited)

Well perhaps a little to at least experience the out << "Hello world!" fun and games

It's kind of similar to Python in some ways

Though I half expected Gimp to be in C++ but it's in C wth GTK of course

11:45 PM

I like KDE though and thought Qt was nice

Oh that's surprising; I knew GIMP was GTK but not C

11:46 PM

Must be a pain...

This is what concerns me https://megamorf.gitlab.io/2020/05/06/why-it-s-better-not-to-use-alpine-linux-for-python-projects/

Why it's better not to use Alpine Linux for python projects - Seb's...

Alpine Linux has become quite popular as Docker base image due to its size. However, instead of the common glibc it uses muslc which could impact you dependi...

Well, first you can compile a static binary Second, if you're not happy with Alpine you can set up yourself a Debian chroot

Ohh heavy I got the secruity warning

11:47 PM

"The security policy was violated. ! " etc

The Kobo Mini only supports up to Debian 8 though due to glibc/kernel limitations

11:48 PM

Oh

11:48 PM

You tried to update to 1.8?

Yes

11:48 PM

Yes I just tried to update to 1.8

You can still access the GUI?

If I reset I'll go back I guess to 1.5

11:48 PM

I'll continue

No, there's hope

Ok holding

If you go in Settings, go to page 2, is there an "Encrypted storage" option of any kind?

So I should click continue anyuway?

yes

Update complete

Yeah... it partially updated

No encyrpted that I can see in the Inkbox settings

Somehow a verification failed somewhere

Storage : Enable USB mass storage session only on second page

Anyway, try with 1.7 update package, then 1.8 That should work

11:51 PM

So nothing like this?

I don't need to root it first

No

Ok 1..7 it is pity

yeah, I don't know what failed

But now e know go 1.7 then 1.8

yes

11:53 PM

If that doesn't work, then something's seriously wrong with your Kobo

Well it could be because I did partial 1.6 too

11:55 PM

But we'll try this see if it repairs it

11:55 PM

I wondered whether to reboot again

Maybe

Ahh it didn't recognise the update file rebooting anyway

12:01 AM

It does think it's on 1.8 though maybe encrypted will appear on reboot

12:01 AM

I like qemu dev environment with the VNC trick looks very nice

1

At this point, maybe it's better if you just reset

12:02 AM

Then, 1.6 with two files, 1.7 then 1.8

Yes and it's till moaning about violation so

12:03 AM

Yes I agree well worth a shot anyway

Yeah, wipe the device

Well it's 11pm uk time so think will call it a night getting closer though.

Ok, good night!

@tux-linux Just FYI redid the process tonight 1.5-> 1.6 both files this time -> 1.7 -> 1.8 and still got security violation at 1.8. No encrypted menu option at 1.7 or 1.8 and the file browser has no easy way to close. Have to reboot to get out of it.

Welp, nice. I'll try on my Mini, might be a signing error somewhere

3:23 AM

If it stayed at 1.7 and you can access it it's good I'll see what happens with the update package and get back to you tomorrow or later tonight

3:24 AM

It's nice you encountered the problem, it shows how tiny my userbase is

(edited)

@tux-linux I will try again as well what I noticed is the can-upgrade files dissapeared after 1.7 I think that might be a pointer

12:24 PM

@tux-linux Next try 1.5 -> 1.6 both files -> straight to 1.8

No, found the problem

5:12 PM

Due to some passwd file crazy bug in standard kernels Can reproduce here

5:12 PM

Will try to fix

5:13 PM

Though, I can assure you, your 1.8 update worked. All signing has been done correctly, and kernel flashed as expected

That's good to here

5:14 PM

So basically, it will show the warning at every boot but you can ignore it

5:14 PM

If you root the device warning will likely disappear

Hmm but I could see no extra options in the menu inkbox

In settings?

5:15 PM

I can see encryption settings here

5:15 PM

I did a full SD flash from 1.5 factory and tried updating as you did on your Mini

Yes that screenshot you showed

Did you go to the second page?

5:15 PM

The little right arrow

5:15 PM

At the top

Ohh at the top

5:17 PM

Yes now I see it

So yeah, it should be fine

tux-linux

dd if=uImage-root-n705 of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=81920 (edited)

Do this

Storage encryption marked as disabled

Before that, do echo rooted | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872

Daboone72

Storage encryption marked as disabled

Normal, you can enable it if you want

Ok great don't need to reimage.

5:19 PM

Give us a little while was going to sort out authorized keys to my Linux box as remembering password ws driving me crazy

yeah sure

Btw have been researching the Libra 2 trying to see if it's mostly the same as the Libra H2O

5:21 PM

As £10 extra for Bluetooth and 32Gb and better screen would be nice

I think it's still i.MX-based, not Allwinner so it should be relatively easy to port (edited)

If I can find the right forum will ask. Though stupidly there was a discussion about removing SD cards I forgot to save

I'm just kinda freaking out now as I'm wondering if this bug affects all other devices too

Daboone72

If I can find the right forum will ask. Though stupidly there was a discussion about removing SD cards I forgot to save

mobileread usually is fairly good for dev discussions

You'd have probably had more bug reports

You can also try the mobileread discord

5:23 PM

But how many users do I have? ;p

Your admin here you could create a quick poll

Yeah maybe

I think you just need some kind of killer app for it.

What do you mean?

Well something that really will motivate people to switch. A unique feature exploiting the display

You know, I think that with encrypted storage, I pretty much hit the pinnacle of features

Could port all text based adventure games to it.

And honestly, not much people are replying to new releases here https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337972

InkBox: a new open-source OS and eBook reader based on Qt5 - Mobil...

InkBox: a new open-source OS and eBook reader based on Qt5 Kobo Developer's Corner

Daboone72

Could port all text based adventure games to it.

yeah, maybe a KoBox addon

5:28 PM

I ported a C64 emulator

As retro gaming is hot now. But text games they would be a great fit for an e-reader

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/kobox/extensions/

On the Libra2 it's the wifi that would matter it does have bluetooth added though so maybe a different chipset

Maybe

So I have an sdb drive for my Sandisk

5:35 PM

171901.310467] usb-storage 2-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected [171901.310909] scsi host4: usb-storage 2-1:1.0 [171902.323114] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 0830 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 [171902.323660] scsi 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 [171902.363152] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [172691.079555] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 31116288 512-byte logical blocks: (15.9 GB/14.8 GiB)

Yeah, use /dev/sdb instead then

I thought so what kernel is using the /dev/mmc style

5:36 PM

Or are you thinking raspberry pi

Well, it would be if you had an integrated SD reader (edited)

5:37 PM

e.g. on my laptop

ahh

5:38 PM

Ok that's the root one done now I need that image as i recall

5:38 PM

dd if=uImage-root-n705 of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=81920

Ok, oof, that's a big bug, but I know what to do Let's re-make all 1.8 updates :yay: !

5:38 PM

Yes

5:38 PM

and replace mmcblk0 with sdb

Yes figures

5:42 PM

Ok was that it?

5:42 PM

root@daniels-m900:/home/daniel# dd if=uImage-root-n705 of=/dev/sdb bs=512 seek=81920 11661+1 records in 11661+1 records out 5970844 bytes (6.0 MB, 5.7 MiB) copied, 12.7324 s, 469 kB/s

yep

5:42 PM

Don't forget the echo rooted part

I did that first

Well sync and then you can put it back in the Mini

Smallest ever dd

5:43 PM

Well dd not mounted so should be fine

Hehe

So slow booting could do with a progress bar. Though maybe it;s lightening on the Clara and later mdoels

Yeah I agree

5:46 PM

Maybe up for a next release

5:47 PM

A bit like how Kindles boot?

I think maybe Suse distro had a nice kernel progress bar

5:48 PM

Yay have USB rooting and DHCP lease menu options

You can go in Diagnostics and enable USBNet in the Flags menu

And Kterm too

Then reboot on main system and it should work with 192.168.2.2 over USB (edited)

Ahh yes will do the slide the power switch on flashing disk.

5:50 PM

How many times is enough btw?

One

5:51 PM

Though, you better do it more because sometimes you do it a little too early, a little too late or whatever

Down to three anyway I think once it starts flashing after that brief blue pause.

When it starts flashing, it means U-Boot has started the kernel successfully

5:53 PM

When it's blue, it means U-Boot is loading the kernel

5:53 PM

When it's not flashing but green, it means U-Boot has started

Noice

There you go Tux is happy

5:55 PM

I got my Tux ages ago at a conference at Earls Court in London must have been 2000 (edited)

Wow that's awesome

5:56 PM

So you've really been following from the beginning

5:56 PM

I wasn't even born in 2000 ;p

Even before that I as a Slackware guy and Redhat 3.0

5:57 PM

First Linux on floppy disc manual X config hard work

I'm on Gentoo right now

That's hard core

Yeah, once you get to know it it's versatile

Hopefully last question for USB net should I accept computer connection when plugigng in?

I guess?

5:58 PM

You could connect it on Linux elsewise

5:58 PM

ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 ssh user@192.168.2.2

5:58 PM

Password is user you can do su and password is root

Ok that's the way it's designed will do that

I tested it on Mac too, worked Don't know about Windows really

Well that's new

6:01 PM

[174304.025078] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 7 using xhci_hcd [174304.180214] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0525, idProduct=a4a2, bcdDevice= 3.26 [174304.180220] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 [174304.180223] usb 1-1: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget [174304.180226] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Linux 2.6.35.3-inkbox+ with fsl-usb2-udc [174304.182211] cdc_subset: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -22 [174304.185503] cdc_ether 1-1:1.0 usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:14.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, a2:34:f9:24:43:c9 [174304.212016] cdc_ether 1-1:1.0 enxa234f92443c9: renamed from usb0

Then use ifconfig enxa234f92443c9 192.168.2.1

And am in

Nice !

6:04 PM

Did it show any warning at boot? Or gone like expected?

The authenticity of host '192.168.2.2 (192.168.2.2)' can't be established. ECDSA key fingerprint is SHA256:ZvCc+cX2ECPK3FhaRfCpTNXtawKdv1s0WH1inhAbbNU. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])? yes Warning: Permanently added '192.168.2.2' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts. user@192.168.2.2's password: Welcome to InkBox!

Warning *

Root filesystem is mounted read-only. Invoke `ifsctl mnt rootfs rw' to make it read-write.

6:04 PM

Yes the read /write one

You can use triple backticks to make code blocks

6:04 PM

But yeah

Ahh thanks for the tip

6:05 PM

The authenticity of host '192.168.2.2 (192.168.2.2)' can't be established.
ECDSA key fingerprint is SHA256:ZvCc+cX2ECPK3FhaRfCpTNXtawKdv1s0WH1inhAbbNU.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.2.2' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
user@192.168.2.2's password:
Welcome to InkBox!
* Warning *
Root filesystem is mounted read-only.
Invoke `ifsctl mnt rootfs rw' to make it read-write.

6:05 PM

Sweet

6:05 PM

I guess no harm in trying the read/write line

You could, but it can make your rootfs "dirty" as I call it

6:07 PM

To reset the changes you made and revert to clean commit you can mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt rm -rf /mnt/rootfs Will remove fuse-overlayfs cache

Ah yes will take an image of my card anyway to get back to where I was.

That's a good idea, yep

Well we've covered some ground I'll try and write this up

Uh... thanks!

6:10 PM

You can use the wiki

6:10 PM

hang on

6:10 PM

http://inkbox.ddns.net:40//wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Main Page

6:10 PM

Create an account and write something

Ahh great

You can read this for general info http://inkbox.ddns.net:40/wiki/index.php?title=General_information

General information

So if I read the df right loooks like lose 2.9G

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
fuse-overlayfs  124M   80M   38M  69% /
/dev/mmcblk0p1   19M  7.1M   11M  41% /boot
tmpfs           125M   12K  125M   1% /etc/passwd
/dev/mmcblk0p4  2.9G  2.2G  564M  80% /opt/storage
/dev/loop7      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /opt/root
/dev/loop6      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /opt/key
/dev/loop5      1.0M  1.0M     0 100% /modules
devtmpfs         10M     0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /tmp
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /var/log
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /opt/developer
tmpfs           2.0M     0  2.0M   0% /var/db/dhcpcd
tmpfs           125M   16K  125M   1% /opt/storage/tmpfs
/dev/loop2      704M  653M   16M  98% /opt/X11/base
/dev/loop8      180M  162M  8.2M  96% /opt/X11/base/rootfs
/dev/loop9      436M  390M   24M  95% /opt/X11/vnc-touch
/dev/loop10     330M  223M   90M  72% /opt/X11/extensions-base
/dev/loop11     511M  4.0K  511M   1% /opt/X11/extensions-user
/dev/loop12     194M  187M     0 100% /opt/X11/extensions-base/python3-onboard
fuse-overlayfs  2.9G  2.2G  564M  80% /xorg
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /xorg/tmp
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/run
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /xorg/dev/shm
tmpfs           125M   12K  125M   1% /xorg/var/log
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /opt/X11/vnc-touch/tmp
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /opt/X11/vnc-touch/run
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /opt/X11/vnc-touch/dev/shm
tmpfs            25M   64K   25M   1% /run
shm             125M     0  125M   0% /dev/shm
fuse-overlayfs  2.9G  2.2G  564M  80% /kobo
tmpfs           125M   24K  125M   1% /kobo/tmp
tmpfs           125M  4.0K  125M   1% /kobo/run
tmpfs           125M     0  125M   0% /kobo/inkbox
/dev/loop0      511M   24K  511M   1% /data/onboard

Yeah, it's a big mangle of bind-mounts, symlinks and things

I was thinking you see is 8gigabytes enough storage, will do the sizing of my ebooks and more importantly PDFs

Pretty complicated But yeah, about 564M available in /data/storage (mmcblk0p4)

Mine is a 16gigabyte SD card so presumambly there's a way to use all ofit

Yeah, you'd need to resize the 4th partition

6:17 PM

And size up the onboard file in /data/storage/onboard

I think I'm going to go Koitlin on the development

You'll have to install Java I guess

Koitlin and then I'll rewrite the thing in Clojure

Are you joking

Openjdk

yeah

No I'm trying to learn Clojure so it'll be a good exercise

Ah, nice

This is for my Chess App

Oh, it compiles to Java

Clojure is actually Java byte code

nice

Yes rather nice can use any Java library too

6:23 PM

The next fun thing will be your qemu environment

Yeah that's pretty nice

6:24 PM

I don't have to use my Janky Serial Setup (TM) now

It was a great little mod though :-). But I'd imagine fraught with danger

6:25 PM

The serial setup? It works, but it's janky

6:25 PM

The board is a Lichee Pi Zero

6:26 PM

The other one is a Banana Pi M2 Zero I'm trying to use to develop an InkBox reader (edited)

6:26 PM

Like, that could actually sell at some point

6:27 PM

The wires are from repurposed Ethernet cables (edited)

Lichee Pi Zero must look that one up

It's a very nice board

I've got irritating cut and paste issues here lousy timing

64MB RAM, costs $15 CAD on eBay IIRC

6:28 PM

Here is an even more janky setup, this time with a Lichee Pi Nano

6:28 PM

That one costs $7

6:28 PM

It's the size of a SD card and runs Linux

6:29 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nqzj0c/7_sd_cardsized_soc_running_debian_10/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Sweet going to reboot see if it sovles my problems

6:30 PM

You pasted the uImage btw would be good to know if it lives anywhere. Anyway rebooting

Yeah, it's in the update packages as I said before

tux-linux

It's in the update packages, which you can mount, they're squashfs images

.

That little computer what a gadget size of an SD card

yep

That's just insane it supports 1080p H2.264 Lovely

Yeah, but at 32MB, it won't do very much

6:46 PM

And documentation is scarce

LCD interface wonder if can drive an eink too

That's what I try to find out on the Banana Pi

6:46 PM

(similar architecture, Allwinner too)

Life's hard without docs

There is some kernel source available, but basically it's "I give you that and it's what you have"

6:48 PM

But read this, the guy used a Lichee Pi Nano for development https://www.thirtythreeforty.net/posts/2019/12/my-business-card-runs-linux/ Also an insanely cool project

My Business Card Runs Linux

In which I build a Linux computer cheap enough to give away

Ahh one of those

6:49 PM

Ohh that's sweet

6:50 PM

Bill of materials funny

Yep

6:51 PM

Culprit found, yay

Ahh you fixed the security warning? happy days

We'll see if I fixed it ;p

6:51 PM

I think I fixed it...

If you build a 1.8.1 image I'll happily try it

6:52 PM

From the top as it were

I'm on the verge of releasing 1.9

Ahh goodie

Will namely include new Online Library support for devices with Wi-Fi

6:54 PM

Basically scrapes Gutenberg's catalog offline and retrieves data for the books, user can download them

For the Libre H2O has anyone removed the existing SD card upgraded to 128Gb say and reglued it to keep the waterproofing I wonder

you could do that, I guess

It seems strange to me surely the whole case must be sealed otherwise it wouldn't work after a dunking

My Libra wasn't sealed when I opened it

6:56 PM

The PCB is tropicalized, but not the case

Yay some has opened hte Libra 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/kobo/comments/qbqjs8/libra_h2o_vs_libra_2_screen_brightness_and/

r/kobo - Libra H2O vs Libra 2 (screen brightness and contrast) - ph...

153 votes and 75 comments so far on Reddit

6:57 PM

"The Libra 2 has been confirmed to have an sd card inside and a 1420mAh battery"

Nice

Time for a post find out who this person is and get some motherboard pictures of him

6:59 PM

him/her must be modern these days

6:59 PM

That's the Library thing

7:00 PM

Super

7:00 PM

Nothing like freebees

7:00 PM

I think Sherlock Holmes was available as a freebee, Moby Dick

7:02 PM

Ok so all my computing PDFs are 512Mb that's not alot

7:03 PM

Daboone72

Ok so all my computing PDFs are 512Mb that's not alot

what

Just sizing up how much space I actually need.

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7:04 PM

2.15Gb total PDFs

Are you sure you want to throw 2.15Gb of writes into the SD card?

No most of those will be A4 anyway too big really for a small reader.

7:05 PM

But O'Reilly books and Manning books are probably alright and other java text books

You can remove the onboard file then dd if=/dev/zero of=onboard bs=1M count=2048 mkfs.vfat onboard

7:06 PM

(assuming you want a 2G file)

7:06 PM

otherwise 4096 for 4G etc.

7:06 PM

oh, and sync

I guess you have to unmount the onboard first

Yey, no more passwd issues

Libra 2 Kobo Libra 2 first impressions - MobileRead Forums

2.75 KB

Daboone72

I guess you have to unmount the onboard first

yes

7:09 PM

umount /data/onboard umount /kobo/mnt/onboard/onboard

7:09 PM

If it complains being busy, add the -l -f flags

After the dd sync as you say then I guess reboot to return to normal

Yeah, or you could do rc-service inkbox_gui restart but it's better to reboot

@tux-linux Just to ask wifi works on your Libra H2O? (edited)

Yep

I was going to say it works on postmarket OS so should be good

7:23 PM

512Mb of Kindle books so no worries on storage space.

7:24 PM

Will see how they survive an epub conversion.

1

Ohh Libra 2 has a removable card. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342428

Libra 2 Kobo Libra 2 first impressions Kobo Reader

7:52 PM

"The back came off really easy. Just popped off like the Libra H2O."

Cool

There are motherboards pictures too so can contact him to get chip numbers

1

Daboone72

Ohh Libra 2 has a removable card. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342428

isn't the card glued in for water tightness?

Yeah, but if you succeed in un-gluing it it can be removed

At least it's not soldered to the motherboard nasty business.

8:08 PM

Will get wifi chipset numbers then make a decision to buy or not.

Updated! http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.8/n705/

@tux-linux Super

Will try over the weekend

Well, there's not really anything else to try It just fixes the issue you had

If you want me to kill two birds with one stone if there's a 1.9 alpha comming up can try that too

9:37 PM

I have three little 8GB SD cards not doing much

Yeah, would be nice

9:41 PM

I could make some package

Well if you feel up for it can let us know Saturday and I can test Sunday

1

9:45 PM

Looks like I'll most likely be working a patch to get Anbox into the distro

9:45 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/f59umk/postmarketos_in_202002_first_time_android_apps/

r/Android - postmarketOS in 2020-02: first time Android apps run on...

143 votes and 3 comments so far on Reddit

You sure you'll succeed with a 2.6.35.3 shitty old kernel?

Well might have to rebuild from source but hopefully

IIRC, I tried that and a lot of features needed by Anbox weren't there in 2.6.x kernels

Alright maybe it's time to get to 5.x

Good luck

I'd imagine busybox will have moved on

?

Wasn't the one of the fundamental tool sets

I have a fairly recent busybox installed in InkBox, 1.32.1

9:48 PM

BusyBox doesn't have anything to do with kernel stuff

https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/ Did you go for mini root i wonder

downloads | Alpine Linux

Alpine Linux

yes

9:51 PM

Now it's not really Alpine Linux anymore ;p

9:51 PM

Also, Alpine on the Mini can go up to 3.10, not further, because kernel issues

Well that's not such a great move, was there some fundamental blocker

Daboone72

Well that's not such a great move, was there some fundamental blocker

What do you mean?

Ohhh I'm going to go to Kobo Libra H2O or Libra 2

I meant that I modified the rootfs so much that it's not really Alpine Linux anymore, more like InkBox OS

Alpine for Inkbox is like Android to Normal Linux I guess

not really

Well they are no longer compatible

9:53 PM

apt-get upgrade Alpine will break Inkbox

Yes, you can install packages, do alpine-related stuff, but in general init scripts, internal binaries, have been modified

Daboone72

apt-get upgrade Alpine will break Inkbox

Possible, haven't tried... ;p

Pity I'd have left it as an App running on Alpine and then deal with the security

It's mode like apk upgrade

Yes I couldn't remember command

Daboone72

Pity I'd have left it as an App running on Alpine and then deal with the security

It was basically that at the beginning

9:55 PM

Though then I needed a kernel with initrd to handle dual-boot with diagnostics, ensure package signing was verified, etc.

tux-linux

It was basically that at the beginning

If you're curious, flash this http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/old/inkbox.img.gz

9:56 PM

InkBox at the 10th of March, 2021

Ok

9:56 PM

Malware bytes redflags your site btw.

huh

9:57 PM

Maybe it's because I don't have a domain name?

Maybe I think I have some stuff at work on Ip will compare

1

9:59 PM

I wonder if they scan for MBR type stuff, back from the old days

9:59 PM

Ohh it's got a bootloader and it's not an OS must be evil

9:59 PM

not an OS they've heard of anyway

Also, they're xz-compressed disk images

10:00 PM

so...

Ahh even stranger then

10:02 PM

So Alpine 3.15.0 is on Kernel 5.15 LTS Kernel issues with a CPU gosh

10:03 PM

Apparently the latest release was about embedded and Arm might be worth another look let's see

10:03 PM

Time for a bit of https://lkml.org/

10:06 PM

So I see Greg Kroah-Hartman is the man.

10:08 PM

Well Cortex A8 is still active 2019 at any rate. https://www.lkml.org/lkml/2019/11/8/1451

Well, I'm sure it is possible to port 5.15 to Kobo Mini, however you'll need to create all the drivers, especially the EPDC (display) one, as well as making a DeviceTree to boot the platform

10:10 PM

Andreas Kemnade has ported mainline to Libra H2O

10:10 PM

(except for display)

Well I am happy to get the Libra H2O but would have been nice to do good stuff with the Mini. (edited)

10:12 PM

I guess you will still be on the same Alpine for Libra H2O at least for a while.

10:13 PM

Yes I see September last year https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210918141627.2142457-4-andreas@kemnade.info/

10:14 PM

Ok I think that does it will get a Libra H2O if the kernel is ready at least it's just a question of time for the display driver

10:15 PM

And what's the point of porting the drivers without a display he may even have the patch almost ready to go

10:16 PM

Inkbox works on the Libra H2O already right? So the code must exist

Daboone72

Ok I think that does it will get a Libra H2O if the kernel is ready at least it's just a question of time for the display driver

It already has 4.1.15, so it's better

Daboone72

And what's the point of porting the drivers without a display he may even have the patch almost ready to go

It's the hardest part

I guess I can't comment really kernel maintenance not being my bag.

One word: tough

Well no Android support under Inkbox then. Well guess will have to abandon that idea of a portable useful app.

Daboone72

Well no Android support under Inkbox then. Well guess will have to abandon that idea of a portable useful app.

Maybe on newer devices

10:31 PM

But I doubt it would work on the Mini

Well Mini is too crippled for my main project. I may use it for something else that doesn't require a network.

10:32 PM

I need Wifi to host an IP for an API to talk too.

The Touch B might be a better choice for a lower cost

I am happy with Libra H2O it won't be long before they are used and that might well coincide when the DGT Mod has a very stable code base. (edited)

10:34 PM

Plus being the sort of second generation now quite likely to be 20% off in a summer kind of sale.

Yeah probably

20% off makes it £125 and it's a nice upgrade from a Kindle and great resolution. Plus looks nice in landscape mode

10:36 PM

I think back to golang and Qt that sounds nice.

Particularly Qt ;p

Well that will work on this https://cutiepi.io/ as well

CutiePi tablet - Raspberry Pi, Untethered

Liberate your Raspberry Pi project from the desk, and start creating wherever the idea strikes.

10:37 PM

https://www.pine64.org/pinetab/

admin

PINETAB | PINE64

Quad-Core Allwinner A64 @ 1.152 GHz Up to 2GB LPDDR3 RAM Built-in 802.11 b/g/n WiFi with Bluetooth 4.0 Bootable microSD and 64GB eMMC Detachable keyboard Go to Store The PineTab is similar in both…

10:37 PM

Which has a removable keyboard even whoops (edited)

You could also contribute to InkBox codebase if what you want to develop would be useful in the main program

A make menuconfig style build could open a lot of doors.

hmm hmm

Do you wish openjdk? Y/N, golang and libraries Y/N , Python and libraries Y/N etc

10:39 PM

Even a bash script would do I suppose

yeah

Ok golang and Qt it is again happily thanks to you I know Qt works just fine

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We could add a chess game to InkBox That would be fun

Well there is one for X I saw this demo

10:43 PM

Let me find

Oh yeah, or in X

10:43 PM

I was more thinking Qt

https://youtu.be/8rkoHcJGo18?t=59 (edited)

Peter Logan

Kobo Mini running Debian Linux tablet

oh yes

10:45 PM

I don't recall the app's name

I can't recall either it's probably just chess for x

10:46 PM

Xboard not bad

Interesting

It's that video that first got me looking for distribitions and of course found yours preserves the actual useful eink part of the functionality

10:50 PM

Well first found the hardware of course Linux compatible tablets

Developing KoBox subsystem was 3 months of pain but the end result is worth it

Yes very very good move

FWIW, here's how it's started by the initrd: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/startx

10:51 PM

Hours, hours, hours and hours of headaches ;p

Startx that's used to be how I ran Xwindows

Hmm well it's not that startx

I know just amused me

1

It's just a script made by me

Ohh yeah I can see lots of pain well done

1

Debugging that thing was the worst

The extension part looks painful too

Yeah, that was quite hard to figure out

10:54 PM

I had to make a diagram to actually know what I was doing

10:54 PM

I remembner booting X watchign the X.org log lots of the little shits

Looking good?

5:52 AM

#!/bin/sh

calculate() {
        result=$(awk "BEGIN { print "$*" }")
        printf "%.0f\n" ${result}
}

eval $(fbink -e)
PERCENTAGE=${1}

fbink -k -f
fbink -s top=$(calculate ${viewHeight}/2+${viewHeight}/8),left=$(calculate ${viewWidth}/4),width=$(calculate ${viewWidth}/2),height=$(calculate 2.44140625*100/${viewHeight}*100) -W GC16 -D ORDERED -H -w
fbink -s top=$(calculate ${viewHeight}/2+${viewHeight}/8+2),left=$(calculate ${viewWidth}/4+2),width=$(calculate ${viewWidth}/2-4),height=$(calculate 2.44140625*100/${viewHeight}*100-4) -W GC16 -D ORDERED -w

fbink -s top=$(calculate ${viewHeight}/2+${viewHeight}/8),left=$(calculate ${viewWidth}/4),width=$(calculate ${viewWidth}/4/2*4*${PERCENTAGE}/100),height=$(calculate 2.44140625*100/${viewHeight}*100) -W GC16 -D ORDERED -H -w

(edited)

@everyone What would be a killer feature to implement for InkBox 2.0? FYI, 1.9 is on the verge of release and will bring online library support for Wi-Fi-compatible devices, UI redesign and picture display support.

multi-tasking apps?

In X11?

6:50 AM

Or Qt

oh, good point - you already support x11

Yeah, it runs i3, so quite a lot of flexibility

people are talking about getting x11 on rM working (well: they technically keep talking about wayland), but doesn't it have slow refresh?

6:52 AM

i still haven't flashed inkbox, but i just finished the merge of kobo support to rmkit, so i'm ready to try it out for when i have a spare weekend

1

I use fbink_xdamage to display X screens on Kobos

6:53 AM

Input is handled by a blind Qt VNC client connected to x11vnc (Yes, it's that dumb ;p)

rsjn

i still haven't flashed inkbox, but i just finished the merge of kobo support to rmkit, so i'm ready to try it out for when i have a spare weekend

What device will you try it on?

libra h20

Ok, so that's quite the task

6:54 AM

I'll guide you for the manual setup

6:54 AM

Involves repartitioning the eMMC to dual-boot Nickel and InkBox (edited)

6:55 AM

Even if we brick the device, there should be a chance of recovery via USB download mode (edited)

6:57 AM

If your want to play safe, you can try it out in the emulator first Pretty much everything works

tux-linux

If your want to play safe, you can try it out in the emulator first Pretty much everything works

yeah, emulator sounds good

7:22 AM

someone was telling me about a way to run a server for the kobo to browse (instead of their server), it was like osdf or ospdf or something

@tux-linux My killer feature implement postscript and make it possible to print to it aka https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/print/microsoft-postscript-printer-driver

Microsoft PostScript Printer Driver - Windows drivers

The PostScript Printer Driver (Pscript) is the Microsoft standard printer driver for PostScript printers.

Interesting propositions, interesting considerations. I'm not that sure about PostScript, maybe there's a native Qt thing that could print it But thanks for the suggestions! (edited)

tux-linux

Looking good?

btw

Hey there's Ghostscript your bound to be able to get the libraries ands use them.

Hmm

@tux-linux Mocking up the sreen for the Libra H2O for my chess project

Nice!

2:46 PM

Actually, there's a full Python3 already installed in X11 rootfs If that could help

2:47 PM

Could make a nice KoBox add-on

Yes though I am warming to golang. If I'm doing this for 6-8 months it'd be a nice win at the end.

1

2:47 PM

golang is used for alot of miroservices and that's been part of my work life and also DevOps.

Then you can include golang in the KoBox package

2:48 PM

KoBox packages are like a part of the rootfs

I considered rust as well but golang is fast enough and makes life easier

2:48 PM

You'll have to give me some tips on doing long projects

1

Rust probably would have made your compile times longer ;p

I struggle above 2 months

2:49 PM

It has a steep learning curve too

2:50 PM

https://medium.com/@Jude.M/the-mental-game-of-succeeding-in-long-difficult-projects-32b4ffcff8ec Researching long projects

The Mental Game of Succeeding In Long, Difficult Projects

You can’t depend on the initial swell of motivation to succeed in challenging, long-term projects. Here are a few strategies that can help.

2:51 PM

2500 hours on this one how on earth did you stay motivated

Welp, the main game changer first was that originally InkBox was developed as a Nickel add-on. Once I decided to port it as a real OS as it is now, motivation was relieved. After that, the huge KoBox project gave me enough to survive three months, until July 4th, when all release announcements for 1.5 were done. I received a lot of positive feedback :D But then I was exhausted. Did not touch that during several days. Then came 1.6, 1.7 during the summer which namely introduced search and PDF support. 1.8 was quite one of the biggest, but the challenge given by @FxFyu1v1 about encrypted storage motivated me till the end. I wouldn't do it again ;p Now here I am ready, or almost, for 1.9, thanks to people like you, @dill , @rsjn and others that give me feature suggestions and report bugs :)

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2:55 PM

Here's the encfs service which does encryption: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/encfs I'm sure you'll see lots of pain, and experience some maybe trying to understand

(edited)

rootfs/encfs at master · Kobo-InkBox/rootfs

InkBox OS root filesystem. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/rootfs development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ahh ic

2:56 PM

I was reflecting after a while it becomes a vehicle for learning

Yes, too When I started, I knew absolutely nothing to Qt and C++

qemu dev environment that sounds like fun let's do that. squashfsh interesting why not

Daboone72

qemu dev environment that sounds like fun let's do that. squashfsh interesting why not

I'll probably make a dependency list for Debian-based systems sometime this weekend to make it work

2:59 PM

Also, the emulator has its own private key which is public, so your can sign whatever you want with it and it'll work

That would be great that is on my task list.

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/emu/blob/main/keys/private.pem

emu/private.pem at main · Kobo-InkBox/emu

InkBox OS emulator. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/emu development by creating an account on GitHub.

Right I have a meeting to spoil things

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Actually, I realised you better should do your add-on on X11/KoBox, because the Libra has had some problems with Qt: when it's been a long time you haven't touched anything on the screen, it freezes, can register input but cannot print anything on the display (edited)

3:01 PM

It does not happen under X11 though

3:05 PM

So yeah, Golang would be a good option, assuming the version provided by Alpine 3.10 is recent enough (or you'll have to create yourself another chroot of more recent Alpine inside KoBox, also possible I guess)

3:05 PM

Yeah, the extension could mount a squashfs or a disk image and it would chroot into it to run the program (edited)

BTW, here's a detailed overview of the boot flags if it can help you in some way: http://inkbox.ddns.net:40/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_flags (edited)

Boot flags

@tux-linux I can really get enthused now I have a working chess board with the mod installed.

What mod?

5:53 PM

You mean, you're ready to develop?

This one https://github.com/EdNekebno/DGTCentaur/tree/master

GitHub - EdNekebno/DGTCentaur: DGT Centaur Modifications - taking t...

DGT Centaur Modifications - taking the chess board, reversing the protocols, and making it do more things. - GitHub - EdNekebno/DGTCentaur: DGT Centaur Modifications - taking the chess board, rever...

Cool

It requires an upgraded Raspberry Pi Zero to a 2W to get wifi and bluetooth which I just paid a guy to finish

So you are going to use both the Libra and the RPi?

5:56 PM

As of a couple of days ago I did it in the evening. Unpacked centaur and refixed permissions.

5:57 PM

Wrong forum hang on

5:57 PM

Yes will use the Libra and the Pi inside the board get them to talk to each other

Nice Maybe it could be possible to do it all on the Kobo? Don't know what it requires, is it just software or does it interface with hardware with connections to the GPIO?

The idea is to build an API on the chess board to push the moves to the Libra to display them on a much much much larger eink dispay 2.9 inch 296x128 pixels versus 7 inch Libra 1680x1264

6:01 PM

They need to talk to each otherwise there's no point.

6:01 PM

The display logic will be on the Kobo as the display logic on the board is for the tiny dsisplay

Oh

The API will just pass move details and history over.

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6:02 PM

So move on the board becomes a visible move Kobo and with the touch screen it's easier to set up the board on the Kobo so will implement an API the other way too

6:03 PM

The end goal to make puzzle and post game analysis much easier

Nice

6:03 PM

Don't want to be intrusive or anything, but are you working for DGT?

No

good question though just love open source

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@tux-linux Could you measure the horizontal and width of the Libra of the screen for me?

In cm?

Or mm even if your confident

I'll do that in some time, need to finish up some things before

As 7 inches diagonal is probably approximate

6:15 PM

I can't remember if I shared the latest probably

6:15 PM

Anyway the blob on the top right is supposed to be a mirror of the actual screen I want to be sure it's at least 2.9 inches tall

The status thing?

Second down the Double sized 296x128 thing

It will be mirrored on "Buttons"?

No buttons is to mirro the board buttons so there's quite a bit of room but triple sized will reduce it to almost nothing vertically

6:19 PM

Will have to change the layout somehow to compensate

I'm not sure I follow

Ahh nut it will nedd to be triple

6:21 PM

It's 8 units high out of 19 so 2.9 inches x 2 would be 5.8 inches I can't imagine the Libra having a display 5.9 inches tall

Measured with a thumb it seems around 4.5"

Thanks ok redesign in order. Still will be nice to work out for the touch screen side of things

144mm * 108mm Dimensions of Libra H2O's screen

Ahh thanks very much

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6:48 PM

6mm sized buttons should be big enough too

6:50 PM

Revised the screen so

6:51 PM

Hey bang on triple size 108 * 0.72 = 77.76mm / 25.4 = 3.06 inches

Nice

@tux-linux Woohoo https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=go&branch=v3.15&arch=armv7 go 1.17.4-rc0 (edited) for Alpine Linux 3.15 the latest version is go 1.17.6 so nothing in it (edited)

7:54 PM

Architecture v7 arm right

Yes

Ahh I need it under Kobox though but I guess still Alpine

Yes

7:56 PM

Alpine 3.10, so you should make an extension involving a chroot (edited)

Kobox is just the X windows host

7:57 PM

Ohh bugger 3.10 I thought it wsas 3.15

tux-linux

So yeah, Golang would be a good option, assuming the version provided by Alpine 3.10 is recent enough (or you'll have to create yourself another chroot of more recent Alpine inside KoBox, also possible I guess)

There

7:57 PM

It can't be 3.15 otherwise it wouldn't run on Mini for example

Ok so 1.12.12-r0 under v3.10 let me see

7:59 PM

Well there is source code so maybe I can build a new one

You could, but honestly a chroot would be simpler

8:00 PM

You just make an extension containing a disk image with Alpine 3.15 and you make a script telling the https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/xorg.sh process to mount required things and launch your program into the chroot

Hmm will lose file access to everywhere else then perhaps it doesn't matter

You can use bind-mounts

8:01 PM

And named pipes

Suppose there is a lightweight base Alpine and as you say just add go.

Yep

8:01 PM

And Python or anything else you want

Fair enough we can call the developer partition

8:02 PM

call it

Developer partition?

Well add make, configure other useful bits and bobs

Yeah

8:03 PM

You can also set up a QEMU-arm virtual machine to compile without needing to cross-compile (much better, although slower)

Maybe another too for just containing the libs and the binary

8:03 PM

release image as it were

A developer extension, maybe?

I was thinkiing that qemu-arm better for testing no exceptions

8:04 PM

Using a mount overlay sort of thing?

Yes, maybe Then you would need two separate extensions, they'd get merged at boot (edited)

8:05 PM

But why wouldn't you just put all into just one?

Just dev tools could be heavy and source libs etc

8:05 PM

Space wise I mean

Oh, dev tools for debugging your program?

Also ideally they would have debug source in them so can attach a debugger and make sense of what is happening

hmm hmm

Well building and developing

8:06 PM

I'll know more when I make the image maybe it won't be that heavy

Yeah, so the "production" extension wouldn't absolutely require the dev tools

8:06 PM

Fair warning: KoBox extensions exportable storage image size is 512M

That's what I was thinking keep it like Golang is compiled not like Python interepted

So ideally, your extension should be <100M without dev tools

That seems plausible ches library, http library, and qt

You want qt too?

Well if it can see the Inkbox qt all is well but chroot I suspect not

8:08 PM

Anyway I'd want the qt to match the go version and all that jaz

There's no Qt in KoBox chroot

8:08 PM

Only GTK

tux-linux

Actually, I realised you better should do your add-on on X11/KoBox, because the Libra has had some problems with Qt: when it's been a long time you haven't touched anything on the screen, it freezes, can register input but cannot print anything on the display (edited)

And the problem about InkBox Qt on Libra

Well don't fancy GTK

Me neither

I know that's why you said under X as I recall

Yeah, golang requires Qt?

No issues under the other way as I recall

8:10 PM

No but my App will it's graphical after all

Oh, there are Qt bindings?

Yes golang and Qt play nicely together

I was going to say at this point you should just use C++ but hey, do whatever you want

I know that would be your choice but I fancy learning something new and with built in garbage colleciton and easy multi CPU threading. (edited)

Yeah sure, that's some nice thing about Go

Then later I can use it for some fun OpenGL

8:13 PM

So 100Megabytes only but I guess that could be raised if neessary

Yeah, but can't exceed 512M

8:14 PM

100M would just be the limit of "fair use" of the exportable extension storage

There's alot of stuff in Qt no doubt it can be trimed down.

(which you can access there)

Ohh I see there's glue already in place for extensions ok

Yeah, there is a Commodore 64 emulator available as an extension

tux-linux

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/kobox/extensions/

.

So step 1 make a lightweight Alpine and add the libs hmm seems like I'm going to have to trim it down from the start shame.

8:17 PM

Why all these weird issues with devices. Libra not working with Qt. It's crazy

i know

I don't hear of cases of this with the Raspberry Pi ./cofnigure; make done

8:18 PM

Maybe should convert to Gentoo

I guess having an e-Ink screen already complicates life

X is a protocol though supposed to get rid of that hassle

Well, even X needs a custom middleware to work

8:19 PM

https://github.com/schuhumi/fbink-xdamage (which works very well btw)

GitHub - schuhumi/fbink-xdamage: A xclient that listens for xdamage...

A xclient that listens for xdamage events and refreshes EPD using FBInk - GitHub - schuhumi/fbink-xdamage: A xclient that listens for xdamage events and refreshes EPD using FBInk

If it's not updating right or somthing I'd say it's aproblem with he display driver not the Qt libray

Maybe, never found out the cause of the problem

It makes me worried going to get some peculiar unfixable bugs down the line

You'll sure get some

8:21 PM

Happens all the time with me

8:21 PM

It's so specific that I'm like "Ok, let's track down this thing to its core, anyway there's no available documentation for that at all"

I'd better add a redraw display button

yep

Hmm stuff to think about

8:24 PM

Going to have some food

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Gentoo has the most colorful package manager ;p

Agreed lol

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InkBox OS now has a progress bar on boot! https://photos.app.goo.gl/RUYcbxHYopAaKZGg7

woooo

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2:35 AM

:D

tux-linux

@everyone What would be a killer feature to implement for InkBox 2.0? FYI, 1.9 is on the verge of release and will bring online library support for Wi-Fi-compatible devices, UI redesign and picture display support.

crap sorry i didnt see that

2:37 AM

hmmm

2:37 AM

i mean i know its a lot of work but maybe a complete UI revamp

What would need to be done?

it's already a very very good UI but i think you could do it

2:38 AM

let me see

2:38 AM

opens ms paint\

2:39 AM

maybe a nickel-like interface

2:39 AM

LMFAO

what-

i dont know

2:40 AM

let me try to write neatly with a mouse

2:40 AM

so they say "book, X% read"

tux-linux

what-

lmao sorry

2:41 AM

BAHAHAHA ok let me explain

2:41 AM

hear me out

2:41 AM

so the books are on the top half, maybe 3 or 4

2:41 AM

and then file manager or "my files"

2:42 AM

on the bottom, "home, books, library, and more"

2:42 AM

"more" being Apps and Settings

Not really sure

the kobo has the best shape, i know

Maybe a killer feature that's not related to the UI?

hmmm

2:45 AM

lets see. how about an option to have a complete kobox desktop

dill

the kobo has the best shape, i know

Remember this?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797193158907658291/843205881042698240/picture.png

BAHAHAHAHA

dill

lets see. how about an option to have a complete kobox desktop

Hmm hmm That would be great, yeah Only thing would be to restrict access to terminal/consoles for non-rooted devices

yeah

Which is kind of hard

2:47 AM

Since there are so many hacks about how to open a terminal from whatever app existing

ohh yeah true

2:47 AM

wait

2:48 AM

rooted means that you have access to the root user right

Yes, well a root shell

so that means you could still have terminal access without accessing root

2:48 AM

like, user

We thought the same thing at the same time

lol

2:49 AM

great minds think alike

I guess it's a matter of bind-mounting passwd

bind-whatwhatwhat

look it up

what does it have to do with inkbox

It's mostly for directories, but you can also bind-mount files

2:50 AM

Well This

2:50 AM

oh god

There aren't that much disk images, you know? The mountpoints are just mirrored somewhere else

yeah

A bit like symlinks, but it works in chroots too

ohhhh got it

2:51 AM

so where would you bindmount passwd

From some extension, or maybe just from the xorg.sh launch script in the rootfs

2:52 AM

A bit like what's done by the initrd

yeah

2:52 AM

so, it could be done?

I guess

discord on kobo

2:53 AM

revolutionary

No please

lolol

Not until they make models with 2G RAM

yeah true

Well, maybe the Elipsa's 1G would be enough

didn't you get it running, that one time

Yeah, on the Touch

that was on the kindle wasnt it

Some black magic if you ask me, never had it again

2:54 AM

yes, too

2:55 AM

wow this server is almost a year old...

Yes...

2:55 AM

And KoBox is officially a year old

2:55 AM

Since Jan 11

wow

tux-linux

And KoBox is officially a year old

like me

2:56 AM

;p

2:56 AM

WAIT WHAT THE FU-

https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/kvhs45/kobo_running_openbox_matepanel_on_alpine_linux/ Memories

r/unixporn - [Kobo] running OpenBox + Mate-Panel on Alpine Linux

1,193 votes and 37 comments so far on Reddit

WOW 51 members

Yeah I know

fuck (edited)

nonsense

oh wait no its just unixporn

2:57 AM

probably because of... the second word

Ah ha ha ha...

2:57 AM

lemme try with a wayback machine link

2:59 AM

archiving...

3:01 AM

https://archive.is/Q4N0h

[Kobo] running OpenBox + Mate-Panel on Alpine Linux : unixporn

archived 15 Jan 2022 01:58:30 UTC

3:01 AM

Well, not the WayBack Machine but it works I guess

nice!

3:02 AM

welp i gotta go

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3:02 AM

i'll think of more ideas for 2.0

3:02 AM

bye

Bye!

tux-linux

InkBox OS now has a progress bar on boot! https://photos.app.goo.gl/RUYcbxHYopAaKZGg7

Here are the details about it: http://inkbox.ddns.net:40//wiki/index.php?title=Boot_progress_bar

Boot progress bar

@tux-linux my idea n pbybe r-ernqre jvgu gur grkg ba gur vaxobk naq vzntrf tbvat gb gur zbovyr cubar na r-ernqre jvgu zvyyvbaf bs pbybef something 13

9:42 AM

@tux-linux And great on the progress bar, thought it would be easy enough

9:46 AM

@tux-linux Vg jbhyq jbex hfvat jveryrff ohvyq na ncc sbe Naqebvq cbfg gur eraqrerq WCRT gb vg naq gung unf n cntr ghea unf bpheerq. Gheaf oynpx jura n cntr vf ghearq vs gurer vf ab vzntr. Terng hfr pnfr Gbyxvra Ybeq bs gur Evatf gur vyyhfgengrq rqvgba.

Hi @tux-linux , I'm trying to work out how to use the inkbox emulator. It gets most of the way through bootstrap.sh but crashes with: usr/gen_initramfs.sh: Cannot open '/home/build/inkbox/kernel/initrd/busybox-1.32.1/_install-emu/'

11:07 AM

Any idea how to fix it?

@btwarch147 Did it fail to pull busybox? I haven't done the process myself yet but that wouldbe my guess.

Looks like it failed to wget one of the files

11:21 AM

+ sudo wget http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.8/emu/inkbox-update-1.8.upd.isa -O update.isa --2022-01-15 09:55:34-- http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.8/emu/inkbox-update-1.8.upd.isa Connecting to 23.163.0.39:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found

You could wget it yourself in the same place and just disable the lines

11:24 AM

Sorry I expect you know what your doing

looking at the link in the browser, it looks like there is no emu folder

11:25 AM

Yes just noticed that myself

11:26 AM

hmm might have to change emu to your kobo version

11:26 AM

n905b whatever they all have hte inkbox-update-1.8 in them

I'll give that a go

It's all armv7 at the end of the day. Unless he's built with vnc display in mind hmm

Didn't seem to work, got the same error as before

Ahh boo we need tux's original image back then

yup

Hello, yeah, actually I didn't upload the emu image, that's why there isn't really any documentation on the GitHub repo

4:33 PM

I'll put one there, won't be really 1.8, but more like current Git commit, so you get the newest features

Daboone72

@tux-linux Vg jbhyq jbex hfvat jveryrff ohvyq na ncc sbe Naqebvq cbfg gur eraqrerq WCRT gb vg naq gung unf n cntr ghea unf bpheerq. Gheaf oynpx jura n cntr vf ghearq vs gurer vf ab vzntr. Terng hfr pnfr Gbyxvra Ybeq bs gur Evatf gur vyyhfgengrq rqvgba.

Thanks for the progress bar! For the rest, what--

btwarch147

Hi @tux-linux , I'm trying to work out how to use the inkbox emulator. It gets most of the way through bootstrap.sh but crashes with: usr/gen_initramfs.sh: Cannot open '/home/build/inkbox/kernel/initrd/busybox-1.32.1/_install-emu/'

You need to change the initrd location in the kernel config. Edit [kernel-repo]/kernel/config/config-emu Search for CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE and change the location to [kernel-repo]/initrd/busybox-1.32.1/_install-emu [kernel-repo] being the location of the cloned repository, without the brackets.

4:39 PM

I suggest you reboot, delete the emu repository and re-clone it, or git reset --hard && git clean -f on it to start fresh

@btwarch147 It's live now, there http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.8/emu/ git pull the repo if you don't delete it too, because I changed the update package name slightly since it isn't the same as for other devices

@tux-linux Thanks for your help, looks like I don't have permission to access it (edited)

5:40 PM

@tux-linux

5:52 PM

See need images in your e-reader first Smaug second rather nice art. From The Hobbit illustrated

btwarch147

@tux-linux Thanks for your help, looks like I don't have permission to access it (edited)

You should be able to now

Daboone72

@tux-linux

I know, but that means a complete render engine change Maybe PDFs on the Libra could look nice

5:57 PM

It has a fairly big screen

Epubs the common format though

5:59 PM

Afraid I will be switching to post marketOs

Just because I don't support images?

Yes I tend to read stuff with images , science type books

I mean, when you're the only one writing this program and it's been 10 months with no contribution whatsoever in the code from anyone, I guess I can say that I don't have the courage and time to implement it

6:01 PM

Read this, you'll probably see why it would be a nightmare to yet again change the render engine: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/master/reader.cpp (edited)

tux-linux

I mean, when you're the only one writing this program and it's been 10 months with no contribution whatsoever in the code from anyone, I guess I can say that I don't have the courage and time to implement it

don't get discouraged

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6:02 PM

send me link to emulator please

tux-linux

You need to change the initrd location in the kernel config. Edit [kernel-repo]/kernel/config/config-emu Search for CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE and change the location to [kernel-repo]/initrd/busybox-1.32.1/_install-emu [kernel-repo] being the location of the cloned repository, without the brackets.

Follow from there, maybe?

6:02 PM

Clone https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/emu

6:03 PM

I'm currently testing in an empty Debian VM to see what deps need to be installed

in general, building for others and worrying about popularity leads to frustration (I am in industry for 15 years)

6:04 PM

building for yourself and to learn brings fulfillment. best is to build for underserved community (which I think you are doing)

Of course I am! I'm just, sometimes, frustrated about people not replying to the InkBox thread at Mobileread when I release something new (e.g. 1.5 release with X11 subsystem, new ePUB engine, tons and tons of improvements got virtually no direct replies), and about people registering in this server but actually never sending anything. I don't want to be selfish or anything, but InkBox has features that no other reader software on the market has, e.g. KTerm out-of-the-box when device is rooted, encrypted storage, seamless Qt/X11 integration (Kindles only have X11). Other great features but that exist also somewhere else could be the strict security policy, heavy package signing ensuring everything is genuine, and all the pain and effort that has gone through it, wasting a part of my life for something I like to do, through those 10 months. (edited)

6:08 PM

Sorry for the rant

tux-linux

Of course I am! I'm just, sometimes, frustrated about people not replying to the InkBox thread at Mobileread when I release something new (e.g. 1.5 release with X11 subsystem, new ePUB engine, tons and tons of improvements got virtually no direct replies), and about people registering in this server but actually never sending anything. I don't want to be selfish or anything, but InkBox has features that no other reader software on the market has, e.g. KTerm out-of-the-box when device is rooted, encrypted storage, seamless Qt/X11 integration (Kindles only have X11). Other great features but that exist also somewhere else could be the strict security policy, heavy package signing ensuring everything is genuine, and all the pain and effort that has gone through it, wasting a part of my life for something I like to do, through those 10 months. (edited)

Yeah.

pretty sure remarkable people would be into it

6:43 PM

they have been talking about replacing xochitl forever (but it's note taking software)

6:44 PM

I'll try it out, don't worry

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Thanks

rsjn

pretty sure remarkable people would be into it

Unless they replace the entire OS, I doubt it is very portable

rsjn

I'll try it out, don't worry

Just to be clear, the "you" in the rant wasn't addressed at you at all, I was just speaking generally

6:51 PM

Neither was it addressed at Daboone72, Dill/Elektron, FxFyu1v1, sausageboy, or anyone else here that has contributed, talked or anything that's different from not doing anything (edited)

@tux-linux Thanks for clearing that up.

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6:55 PM

@tux-linux Was just checking MuPDF see if they have updated their code. It does support CBZ now comic book zip so must have image handling internally.

Well, I use mutool to convert PDFs to PNGs, but the thing is that other than that it doesn't seem to do it for ePUBs

Or rather mutool convert on their mupdf website

I didn't know CBZ was supported, maybe it arrived recently

6:56 PM

Might add that to InkBox

Daboone72

@tux-linux my idea n pbybe r-ernqre jvgu gur grkg ba gur vaxobk naq vzntrf tbvat gb gur zbovyr cubar na r-ernqre jvgu zvyyvbaf bs pbybef something 13

what what what

Elektron it was my idea shared encrypted with Rot13 that probably won't happen anytime soon. Have images displayed in color on an external device like a mobile phone or another tablet

6:57 PM

https://rot13.com/

ohh got it

Tux I wouldn't stress on layout either a QVertical and a QGraphic minexpandable always min and a QText expandable and you could pop an image on the page when necessary. Just been playing with QT designer it is really good as this sort of dynamic layout stuff.

Actually, it seems you can insert an image into a QTextEdit: https://forum.qt.io/topic/91271/how-to-insert-an-image-on-qtextedit/5

How to insert an image on QTextEdit

@aha_1980 I resolved this problem.Thank you so much. //your code here QString cheminImage = QFileDialog::getOpenFileName(this, "Choisir une image", QString(), "Images (.)"); QString texteFinal = ui->textEdit->toHtml() + ""; ui->textEdit->setHtml...

7:03 PM

The main issue would be to get mutool to tell us when an image needs to be displayed

right so maybe a UI revamp, more apps, and external keyboard and mouse?

Unless you buy an externally-powered USB dongle somewhere, it won't work

7:04 PM

Kobos can't supply enough power for this

yeah that's what i was aiming for, if those exist

7:04 PM

do they

Yes

yeah then you could\ do that

dill

right so maybe a UI revamp, more apps, and external keyboard and mouse?

You could also just set your RPi into a VNC server and connect to it in the Kobo with the VNC viewer Mouse & keyboard would be connected to your RPi

I was even thinking of doing the thing in a browser it's mostly Json ajax and it seems everyone get's around to putting a browser on their devices

It's because... QtWebEngine doesn't work on Kobos

7:08 PM

Because... shitty hardware and RAM

7:08 PM

(probably)

7:08 PM

Everytime we got Chromium installed onto most devices, it crashed without explanation

7:09 PM

The only thing that reliably works is the Gecko engine with Palemoon on the Libra

Ahh so the KDE won't work either even though it's in QT

(Chromium = QtWebEngine)

Ohh CHromimum QT as well pain

Yes ;p

tux-linux

You could also just set your RPi into a VNC server and connect to it in the Kobo with the VNC viewer Mouse & keyboard would be connected to your RPi

yeah but the kobo mini has some wifi problems

I see muPDF also have a commercial version that's probably why they are holding back the good stuff

I experimented with QtWebKit on X, but I couldn't get it to compile on native Qt It would probably have been good enough for displaying ePUBs (edited)

7:10 PM

Though the thing there is that the entire Reader class will need to be re-written if InkBox changes to a web-based reader

dill

yeah but the kobo mini has some wifi problems

You can connect via USBNet

7:11 PM

And you connect to VNC server 192.168.2.1

Yes indeed reading about the epub making process you name theimages sequentially 001,002

i know this could be fucking hard but you could also get rid of the page turn buttons and make the reader like nickel's one

Yeah, you're right about this It is hard

7:12 PM

Because we'd need some QGestures of some sort

7:12 PM

Or maybe a transparent overlaid widget with invisible buttons

7:12 PM

Yeah, that could be better

7:13 PM

But then again, it would half-work since the only things you could do while reading would be to go to previous page, next page, or open Options No dictionnary search

oh... right

dill

i know this could be fucking hard but you could also get rid of the page turn buttons and make the reader like nickel's one

like nickel's one

only in terms of turning pages though

i'm afraid of this downloading and running stuff for the emu with sudo

You might use a VM if you prefer

that's in order to get the filesystem permissions correct, right?

I could've used fakeroot

7:15 PM

yeah

yeh, probably fakeroot then

But you can look at the release.sh script if you want, it's not harmful at all

7:16 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/release.sh

7:16 PM

I run it as root all the time here

7:18 PM

I'm testing it on a Debian VM right now, will get back to you with deps

7:18 PM

(because it's not a good idea to run the script twice)

generally, i wouldn't run a script from someone as root even if they say its safe

(or you have to deal with unmounting /tmp/inkbox/* and disconnecting nbd0, then cleaning up all of this)

7:19 PM

Well, up to you to judge

7:20 PM

But maybe a VM is better for this You'll run a VM inside the VM, but hey, it works anyway

tux-linux

I could've used fakeroot

I forgot about fakeroot while making the script, that's why it isn't there

7:28 PM

Wow it failed because bc was missing

i'm trying it with fakeroot instead of sudo

Though, kernel building also runs things as root, to preserve ownership in initrds

7:32 PM

So maybe a Debian VM would be better

7:32 PM

See here https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/scripts/build_kernel.sh

7:32 PM

IIRC it's just basic mkdir and cp, so shouldn't be too harmful

@rsjn: Got it working on Debian 11 with the following dependencies:

sudo apt install build-essential qemu-system-arm git u-boot-tools swig python-dev python3-dev bison flex squashfs-tools bc

(edited)

8:11 PM

You may add -nographic to the qemu-boot script to boot in console-only mode Also, you can add -snapshot for a non-persistent boot

8:13 PM

To connect to the Qt VNC server once it starts (a few minutes maximum after udhcpc gets its lease), connect to port 5901 on host VM/PC. If it closes when you do a particular action, for example getting out of Settings, try connecting again after a few seconds, it means the application has restarted.

tux-linux

@rsjn: Got it working on Debian 11 with the following dependencies:

sudo apt install build-essential qemu-system-arm git u-boot-tools swig python-dev python3-dev bison flex squashfs-tools bc

(edited)

what do you mean in debian 11? a debian 11 qemu img?

8:26 PM

A Debian 11 VM

what do you mean when you say VM

8:29 PM

what format? virtualbox? qemu? vmware?

Well, if you ran the emulator from a VM

8:29 PM

Doesn't matter

ok, but i want to know what you did

Well, I use XCP-ng here to manage my VMs on the LAN, the hypervizor is Xen

8:30 PM

You can use qemu-system-x86_64

8:31 PM

e.g. qemu-system-x86_64 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -enable-kvm -m 8G Create debian.img like this: qemu-img create -f qcow2 debian.img 32G

for some reason i thought you were a student

I am one

8:32 PM

But... what does that have to do with this?

dunno, sounds like you have a second machine running VMs

It was given by a company which offered me work Mac Pro 128G RAM, 12C/24T

8:33 PM

It's quite useful

i'll likely just make a qemu image running debian and then run the bootstrap in it, but the less work i have to do the better

8:34 PM

if you want to put a pre-made qemu image up, that would be nice

Maybe there are some already-made Debian QEMU images out there

8:35 PM

Yeah, true

tux-linux

Maybe there are some already-made Debian QEMU images out there

yes, there are

8:35 PM

that's why i was asking you what you did, usually distros publish a few VM images in different formats

Well, I took the Debian netinstaller and started from scratch on a new VM, to see what deps were required to successfully execute the bootstrap script and boot the emulator with no problems

8:37 PM

Do you have a machine with fairly decent specs? Because emulating ARM is quite the task for the CPU...

yeah, i have a pretty good machine for work stuff

8:39 PM

not sure i will use that for this, though

8:39 PM

usually i use my laptops

Nice The main VM I use for emulating InkBox has 16G RAM, 8 cores and 150GB storage I guess 4G of RAM could do, emulator is just using 1G, and 4 cores should be enough for a minimum configuration

yeh, this is what i meant about being a student. as a student, i had a dinky laptop

On the scratch machine I just tested it in, it was horrendously slow, probably because I have only 1 CPU core On my main machine, it runs quite fast though, almost the same speed as Kobos when fully started up

8:42 PM

Up until September, I had a Dell Latitude E5530, which was... okay, but clearly not enough for what I was doing on it

8:43 PM

Once September arrived, a guy from the company that wants me to work for them donated a desktop PC and a ThinkPad T450, which was a much-needed hardware upgrade

8:44 PM

Here are the specs of the desktop PC:

nicolas@gentoo-ryzen ~> neofetch
         -/oyddmdhs+:.                nicolas@gentoo-ryzen 
     -odNMMMMMMMMNNmhy+-`             -------------------- 
   -yNMMMMMMMMMMMNNNmmdhy+-           OS: Gentoo Base System release 2.8 x86_64 
 `omMMMMMMMMMMMMNmdmmmmddhhy/`        Host: B450M DS3H 
 omMMMMMMMMMMMNhhyyyohmdddhhhdo`      Kernel: 5.16.0-gentoo-x86_64 
.ydMMMMMMMMMMdhs++so/smdddhhhhdm+`    Uptime: 4 days, 4 hours, 40 mins 
 oyhdmNMMMMMMMNdyooydmddddhhhhyhNd.   Packages: 1437 (emerge) 
  :oyhhdNNMMMMMMMNNNmmdddhhhhhyymMh   Shell: fish 3.3.1 
    .:+sydNMMMMMNNNmmmdddhhhhhhmMmy   Resolution: 1920x1200, 1440x900, 1600x900 
       /mMMMMMMNNNmmmdddhhhhhmMNhs:   DE: Plasma 5.23.5 
    `oNMMMMMMMNNNmmmddddhhdmMNhs+`    WM: KWin 
  `sNMMMMMMMMNNNmmmdddddmNMmhs/.      Theme: Breeze Dark [Plasma], Breeze [GTK3] 
 /NMMMMMMMMNNNNmmmdddmNMNdso:`        Icons: [Plasma], breeze-dark [GTK2/3] 
+MMMMMMMNNNNNmmmmdmNMNdso/-           Terminal: konsole 
yMMNNNNNNNmmmmmNNMmhs+/-`             Terminal Font: Consolas 10.5 
/hMMNNNNNNNNMNdhs++/-`                CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT (16) @ 3.900GHz 
`/ohdmmddhys+++/:.`                   GPU: AMD ATI Radeon Pro WX 4100 
  `-//////:--.                        Memory: 6660MiB / 32052MiB
nicolas@gentoo-ryzen ~>

8:45 PM

So now Gentoo runs well on it and InkBox compiles in 30s

8:46 PM

I'll see if I can make you a pre-installed emulator QEMU image

which kobos do you have?

Touch B, Mini, Touch C, Libra H2O, Aura, Glo HD, Glo Aura and Glo HD are half-working though (broken screen)

Well can still use Inkbox on the Mini to make PDF handy reference cards. Libre Office Page Config to make Mini screen size B6 (ISO) with the right margins get's you there (edited)

10:18 PM

@tux-linux Question is how does Inkbox convert PDF fonts perhaps have to export with them embedded or something

Letter sized PDFs work well too Basically, InkBox takes the PDF and tells mutool to convert a page of it to a PNG image, then displays that PNG image onto a QGraphicsView

10:36 PM

So the fonts are converted by mutool

I see there is a scale option but no sort of fit to screen

Yeah, no But it's already fit to screen by InkBox

Maybe jsut getting the aspect ratio right is the main thing

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/7af178f9e509d9c909b95d30be9aaca5254a7e1d/functions.h#L525-L564

10:38 PM

Yeah, it's roughly that

tux-linux

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/7af178f9e509d9c909b95d30be9aaca5254a7e1d/functions.h#L525-L564

There are the default page sizes that are handed to mutool which will convert the PDF in a PNG with that resolution

10:39 PM

So as you said, it's only the aspect ratio

Just thinking to work out DPI of screen too which is probably still high

10:45 PM

200dpi 100/25.4 = 3.9 inches 800 pixels /3.9 = 203.2 dots per inch yes thought so and smae horizontal 75mm / 25.4 = 2.9527 inches 600 / 2.952 = 203.2 dpi

Kobo Mini has 170 dpi

Font size experiments 10 small 12 nice especially Arial

10:54 PM

Shame about the glare on an eink panel

SSH to the Kobo and do this chroot /kobo fbgrab /tmp/screen.png then SCP /kobo/tmp/screen.png to your computer it takes a screenshot

Ok that might be useful though trying to get a feel for what it looks like for real.

yeah sure

10:58 PM

Looks nice

11:07 PM

Landscape for images is the trick

Nice

14pt Times one with the feet for easier eyes is hard work

11:17 PM

Try Libre Baskerville, maybe you'll like it

11:17 PM

Also, Bitter is very good too

File choosing window might be buttons missing like close open and scroll

Yeah, unfortunately I don't know how to fix that Doesn't happen on models with bigger screens like Glo

11:18 PM

You can always search in local storage otherwise

Landscape mode?

And you seem to have the "too large recent book buttons" problem sorry for that

11:19 PM

...difficult?

11:19 PM

Maybe could it be possible

11:19 PM

idk

Well definitely makes sense for Libra H2O looks nice in landscape

11:26 PM

https://www.laptopmag.com/uk/reviews/ereaders/kobo-mini It says here 167dpi how do they calculate that I wonder I got 800 pixels in 3.9 inches making 200dpi

Kobo Mini Review | eReader Reviews

The Kobo Mini's 5-inch display gives e-reader fans a portable and affordable option, but the reading experience feels cramped compared with the competition.

11:28 PM

And this site agrees with me. https://pixelcalculator.com/en

Calculate and convert DPI / PPI to cm, mm, inches and pixels

Online Calculator / Converter for image processing, printing, and editing. Resolution (Pixel, Mpx) ↔ Pixel density (DPI, PPI) ↔ Image size (mm, cm, in)

11:28 PM

If anything it's higher than 200

11:31 PM

Ahh this is helpful https://blog.titanwolf.in/a?ID=00450-b940ff92-53e5-4716-92cf-725b55671537

11:31 PM

dpi = √(width^2+height^2 )÷screen size

ooh

I get 200 actually

Well Times New Roman 16pt on Libre Office is tolerbable get about 20lines of text

@tux-linux how do you test inkbox on all the readers? manually?

Yep

12:25 AM

But what do you mean exactly?

12:27 AM

I have one unified rootfs and separate kernels, so I don't always test a new release on all models, I can afford to check just one for example

yeah, i was wondering how you handled coordinate rotation (for example) - if you went and tested all devices

12:28 AM

once you have everything setup well, i imagine you don't have to re-test all devices

Yeah

12:30 AM

Rotations are handled here, see start of script: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/rcS-std

kernel/rcS-std at master · Kobo-InkBox/kernel

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

and what about touch rotation?

It's handled automatically by Kobo platform plugin

ok, i see

@rsjn : Unfortunately, the compressed QEMU image file weighs 5.3G, which causes two problems: 1) I can't really upload it anywhere, and space is fairly limited at 23.163.0.39; 2) Even if I could, it would take ages on my 200KB/s upload connection, and no one in the house here wants a bandwidth throttle for 5+ hrs ;p I suggest you install Debian 11 on a VM (from the netinstall iso, select "SSH server" and "Standard system utilities" whilst installing) with the following packages:

sudo apt install build-essential qemu-system-arm git u-boot-tools swig python-dev python3-dev bison flex squashfs-tools bc openbox tint2 xdm xinit gnome-terminal tigervnc-viewer

And you add this to your ~/.config/openbox/start.sh: tint2 & Reboot. Then, you clone the emu repository and you run env GITDIR=${PWD} ./bootstrap.sh, you start the emulator from X11 and connect to the VNC server with vncviewer (TigerVNC) at 127.0.0.1:5901. There's probably a way to map again the port to your host machine so you can access it there too. But that basic setup will work otherwise. (edited)

tux-linux

@rsjn : Unfortunately, the compressed QEMU image file weighs 5.3G, which causes two problems: 1) I can't really upload it anywhere, and space is fairly limited at 23.163.0.39; 2) Even if I could, it would take ages on my 200KB/s upload connection, and no one in the house here wants a bandwidth throttle for 5+ hrs ;p I suggest you install Debian 11 on a VM (from the netinstall iso, select "SSH server" and "Standard system utilities" whilst installing) with the following packages:

sudo apt install build-essential qemu-system-arm git u-boot-tools swig python-dev python3-dev bison flex squashfs-tools bc openbox tint2 xdm xinit gnome-terminal tigervnc-viewer

And you add this to your ~/.config/openbox/start.sh: tint2 & Reboot. Then, you clone the emu repository and you run env GITDIR=${PWD} ./bootstrap.sh, you start the emulator from X11 and connect to the VNC server with vncviewer (TigerVNC) at 127.0.0.1:5901. There's probably a way to map again the port to your host machine so you can access it there too. But that basic setup will work otherwise. (edited)

what's the easiest device to flash with the OS?

Anything of N905C, N905B, N613 or N705 i.e. Touch C, B, Glo or Mini

6:12 AM

I suggest Touch B, although slower than Glo you'll have Wi-Fi support

@tux-linux I managed to get it compiled, however when I run QEMU using the scrpt it powers down with "Flash device refused suspend due to active operation (state 20)"

10:53 AM

Here's the full output

output.txt

11.52 KB

@btwarch147 You should git pull the repo, there's a missing make_devicenodes.sh step that fixes the impossible boot problem you're having (edited)

11:13 AM

You're almost there!

11:14 AM

Also, I have some new docs in the repo: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/emu/blob/main/README.md

emu/README.md at main · Kobo-InkBox/emu

InkBox OS emulator. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/emu development by creating an account on GitHub.

@tux-linux The N613 ,N705 have no wifi. N905C does it have wifi?

Nope, only N905B due to it using a different chipset (imx508)

So that's advertised as the Touch B I guess

Yeah

That is a good one to switch to your OS adverts on the normal distro how annonying

What do you mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_Touch

Kobo Touch

The Kobo Touch (also called the "Kobo Touch eReader") is the third generation of the Kobo e-reader device designed by Kobo Inc. It was revealed on 23 May 2011 and was released in the U.S. on 10 June 2011 at a price of $129.99.The Kobo Touch 2.0, the successor to the Touch, was released in September 2015.

11:33 AM

"The first was the original Kobo Touch; the second was the model with advertisements; the third was the low-cost model introduced after the release of the Kobo Glo"

Yeah ... Touch N905A (original) has an eMMC, that's why it wasn't my first choice

11:35 AM

Though someone did find a way not a long time ago to un-brick the device if ever it happened : https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4185784&postcount=11 So maybe I could port InkBox to it too (edited)

MobileRead Forums - View Single Post - Kobo Touch N905 - need exte...

MobileRead - the resource for mobile geeks seeking information and advice for keeping their gadgets happy.

You've not made a distro yet for the Clara

Well ok, maybe not entirely un-brick but anyway

You can get a working Linux on again afterwards I guess

11:37 AM

Dual boot btw would be a great place to get too with the ones with swappable cards

No, they're too expensive I have some testers on the Git repository, but communication is fairly slow It's better to have the device in hand when I want to port InkBox to it

Pity no Wifi on the GLO I quite liiked the resolution 1024x768

The problem with the dual-boot for devices with external SD cards is that U-Boot (bootloader) loads the same kernel for two rootfs, so basically InkBox wouldn't work at all. What it does is just change the bootargs from root=/dev/mmcblk0px to /dev/mmcblk1px

11:40 AM

Yeah, actually 1024x758 but I agree

Ahh Wiki is wrong@? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_Glo

Kobo Glo

The Kobo Glo is the fourth generation of Kobo eReader devices designed and marketed by Kobo Inc. It was revealed on 6 September 2012 and arrived at retail 14 October 2012 with a price of $129.99 USD/CAD. It is the successor to the popular Kobo Touch was introduced alongside the Kobo Mini and Kobo Arc. The Glo was succeeded in 2015 by the higher-...

Well, FBInk on mine clearly says 1024x758 ;p

On the right side it says 768 it is wrong I mean. Listed as 1024x758 later (edited)

The nice thing about the Glo is that it's slightly faster but has the same chipset It's overclocked to 1GHz Mini & Touch are at 800MHz Maybe there could be a way to overclock those too

11:43 AM

Overclocking is done by U-Boot

@tux-linux Think I've a plan sell my Kobo Mini buy a Kobo Touch B on ebay to replace it. Buy a Kobo Sage for my daily reading as upgrade to Kindle

Should be a nice move

1:16 PM

Be sure to check for the B in the N905 model number

@tux-linux Bit torrent might be answer to share your large Dev files

2:29 PM

@tux-linux now I appreciate more the different hardware you support retro text based games starting with c64 a great way to go. Small screen 800x600 pixels works in your favour as does processor

Success! Thanks for the help

@tux-linux Is there a way of telling it's a B from the menu's I wonder. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154729128565?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&toolid=10050&campid=5338358731&customid=16423470162374752843612041000008005

Kobo touch N905B, Wi-Fi, Black | eBay

Kobo Touch N905B eBook Reader.

The model number will be in the device's serial number

btwarch147

Success! Thanks for the help

Congrats !! Nice that it works !

Daboone72

@tux-linux Bit torrent might be answer to share your large Dev files

At a... terrible transfer rate

Well once it's up though then three people can share it and also download and upload at same time

@tux-linux Emulator works great, what would you say my chances of recovery are if I was to attempt to install inkbox on my libra and it went wrong?

90%?

10:17 PM

But there's a specific procedure to follow, I got it to work on mine Tell me when you want to start (if you want to)

10:19 PM

You'll preferably need to connect it to serial

Also, the great thing with the Libra is that you can dual-boot Nickel and InkBox

10:39 PM

There's an SPL kernel that kexec's the appropriate kernel based on a power button event

You can that's great

Unfortunately kexec is not reliable on 2.6.35.3 kernels, so porting that for Mini/Touch/Glo is difficult

I am deciding between Libra 2 as it's a great bit of hardware and the Sage which has the has the hand writing option

The Sage is Allwinner-based, so no InkBox support at all there yet (different display driver) The Libra 2 should be fine

tibudiyanto joined the server. 1/17/2022 1:44 AM

Hello !

hey!

1:46 AM

browsing through reddit and saw this OS!

Nice that you registered in!

seems a very cool product. im wondering do you have support for Aura H20 ed 2?

1:46 AM

Model N867

Not at the moment, sorry It might come in the future

1:47 AM

If your want to help testing it would be great!

would love to help

tibudiyanto

browsing through reddit and saw this OS!

which post??

I'm a software engineer too so i probably could help you debug something if needed

1:49 AM

just keep me posted

tibudiyanto

Click to see original message

rsjn

which post??

hmmm just closed my browswr but will checkback later

no worries

tibudiyanto

I'm a software engineer too so i probably could help you debug something if needed

Do you have experience with Linux?

1:59 AM

@rsjn This one: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/oddesp/inkbox_os_15_custom_opensource_os_for_ereaders_is/ (well, probably) One of the few that received a lot of feedback, but actually not a lot of people tried it out, as far as I can see

r/linux - InkBox OS 1.5 (custom open-source OS for eReaders) is out!

168 votes and 39 comments so far on Reddit

tux-linux

@rsjn This one: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/oddesp/inkbox_os_15_custom_opensource_os_for_ereaders_is/ (well, probably) One of the few that received a lot of feedback, but actually not a lot of people tried it out, as far as I can see

"not a lot of people tried it out" - dunno man, gotta make it easier and easier to try

2:01 AM

for remarkable, we had individuals writing software apps and decided to build a centralized repo of software + bootstrap script to get the repo installed

Yeah, I saw that a little bit whilst browsing through GitHub a few days ago

not sure if people just don't like hacking their kobos

Might be that too

i'm going to try out the nickel menu add on for inkbox before i try the OS

2:03 AM

it looks like its just a QT app i can run

It's quite outdated

2:03 AM

from March 2021

2:03 AM

We're now at InkBox 1.8/1.9; that was InkBox 1.3

yeah, i saw 1.3 from april

ah well april then

is it because the qt libraries aren't aligned with the base OS?

tux-linux

Do you have experience with Linux?

im daily driving linux. I know my basics.

No, it's because a lot of features needed a proper OS to work (e.g. X11)

tibudiyanto

im daily driving linux. I know my basics.

Could you set up a serial connection with your Kobo?

that means i need to open my kobo right?

...yeah

hmmmm

i know

id rather not open it tbh haha

2:12 AM

what cable do i need

I did it with my Libra, it wasn't a disaster

lemme purchase that beforei open the device (edited)

Three wires and a serial to USB adapter, or RPi, or Arduino or whatever that can take serial input

2:13 AM

For the wires, you can strip an ethernet cable and get out three wires from it

2:15 AM

It seems your Kobo has an eMMC; this makes porting harder, but still possible

2:18 AM

Normally, if somehow you brick the device, it will be possible to recover it by downloading a copy of U-Boot (the bootloader) in RAM and then bootstrap the default Nickel factory image. But there's a lot of things that need to go wrong before we get to that point

2:19 AM

My Libra too has an eMMC and I didn't brick it, so it's definitely possible to play safe and keep the device working

ok

2:20 AM

hardware wise, does it seem like its compatible with the OS?

Absolutely

2:20 AM

Same chipset as the Libra (imx6sll) (edited)

gotcha

2:27 AM

alrigtht imma get the hardware and report back

1

2:31 AM

hmm do i need soldering iron to connect the serial?

Not necessary

cant find a good dissasembly instruction online

2:32 AM

That's my setup ;p

tibudiyanto

cant find a good dissasembly instruction online

An Exacto and a credit card should do, if you're careful

got it

2:33 AM

seems like u r using an arduino. will an RPI works?

It's not an Arduino, it's a Lichee Pi Zero

2:34 AM

But yeah, RPi works

oh

2:34 AM

ok

tux-linux

It's not an Arduino, it's a Lichee Pi Zero

Nice $15 SD-sized Linux board 64MB RAM and 1.2GHz CPU

tux-linux

Not at the moment, sorry It might come in the future

nope, no internal SD

2:52 AM

hi, @tibudiyanto :D (edited)

tux-linux

It seems your Kobo has an eMMC; this makes porting harder, but still possible

.

ah

tibudiyanto

that means i need to open my kobo right?

which is FUCKING HARD

2:54 AM

i tried

oooh true

2:55 AM

Welp, good luck @tibudiyanto I just remembered that @dill had a bad time opening it

less than 1 mm six-sided screws.

2:56 AM

pain

hmmmm

Funny, the brightness button on the Glo is recognized as KEY_KATAKANA by evtest:

kobo:/# evtest /dev/input/event0
Input driver version is 1.0.0
Input device ID: bus 0x19 vendor 0x0 product 0x0 version 0x0
Input device name: "mxckpd"
Supported events:
  Event type 0 (EV_SYN)
  Event type 1 (EV_KEY)
    Event code 28 (KEY_ENTER)
    Event code 35 (KEY_H)
    Event code 59 (KEY_F1)
    Event code 60 (KEY_F2)
    Event code 61 (KEY_F3)
    Event code 62 (KEY_F4)
    Event code 65 (KEY_F7)
    Event code 66 (KEY_F8)
    Event code 90 (KEY_KATAKANA)
    Event code 103 (KEY_UP)
    Event code 105 (KEY_LEFT)
    Event code 106 (KEY_RIGHT)
    Event code 108 (KEY_DOWN)
    Event code 116 (KEY_POWER)
Properties:
Testing ... (interrupt to exit)
Event: time 1642386123.932116, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 90 (KEY_KATAKANA), value 1
Event: time 1642386124.152115, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 90 (KEY_KATAKANA), value 0

Well I ordered a N905B don't know what color back I'll get but it will be enough to get going. Placed a watch for a Clara HD for £59 which is a great price

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Nice ! Yeah, quite a nice price for the Clara

4:56 PM

Yesterday I found a Glo HD on Kijiji $20 (canadian), I immediately sent a message ;p

4:56 PM

Haven't received any reply yet though

Kobo N905B's though are hard to buy most people don't know what they have. Had to go to a electronic exchange place they are used to identifying them

4:57 PM

Just looking at another serial number I don't think helps KG31C0200349E

Oh That's strange

Software version 2.1.5 10/12/12 that might be morehelpful

Normally they have the device identifier

4:58 PM

hmm

s 2011 was Kobo first edition 2015 was Kobo 2.0 N905C so can't be Kobo 2.0 and most likely Kobo N905B

4:58 PM

I'm worried

Ahh it has an SD card slot must be the first edition

But hey, even if it's not a Touch B, you get the larger screen and a possibility to help debugging Wi-Fi on this crappy Broadcom hardware (edited)

4:59 PM

All Touches have an external SD slot

The 2.0 went internal didn't it as it's a mini Glo

The Touch 2.0 oh yeah, this thing

5:00 PM

Well it's closer to the Glo HD

5:00 PM

With a smaller screen resolution

5:06 PM

My Touch B's serial number is 88xxx-KBN905B

Ok interesting will look at mine when I get it.

5:19 PM

Meant to ask on the Kobo Forma to cover all bases is that an Allwinner chipset too as well as the Sage?

5:19 PM

Can't seem to find it with google

When you get it, a sure way to identify it, is the presence of a closed SD card enclosure as opposed to just a slot on the Touch C

5:20 PM

No, the Forma is i.MX-based

5:20 PM

The Sage & Elipsa have the B300 Allwinner chipset, whilst the Forma has an imx6sll chipset from Freescale/i.MX

So that could one day be a valid 8 inch option

Yes, too

5:21 PM

Well, I don't know how to deal with the Allwinner ones, but I'm not saying it's impossible to port InkBox to it

Libra 2 is the one I am leaning too the most I think 32gb of space out the box and can be upgraded later. Plenty of room to squeze an OS on in addition to the other

Yeah, it should be great

I expec the forma has the 8gb soldered on eMMc

My Libra has 8G eMMC and it did fit well

5:23 PM

Yes

5:23 PM

But now that there are recovery possibilities, it's less dangerous

5:24 PM

Andreas Kemnade's email about his experience

collected: exploring the tolino shine

3.25 KB

Yes very nice to see.

5:26 PM

With broken display too done via a serial hookup?

Yeah

5:36 PM

http://naberius.de/2013/06/19/collected-exploring-the-tolino-shine/ Interesting read about the Tolino shine, basically a Kobo Glo but with Android

hecke

I was thinking about variants with some good documentation in a wiki could be great cheap future buys

Hmm hmm

As the it's amost like a Kobo Glo is not quite the same as it's always a Kobo Glo internally

5:40 PM

@tux-linux Going to have a crack at getting qemu up emulating the N905B tonight. I guess it's in a better place now

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5:42 PM

Will have a triple go see if can get Golang,Python,OpenJdk working on it using the chroot technique

QEMU actually emulates a Glo with internet access, but yeah, shouldn't be much difference except for the screen resolution (edited)

Ohh great I wanted 800x600 for development

But the VNC thing is only for Qt, so you might prefer your Touch for developing under X11

Hmm suppose can ssh directly to it.

5:47 PM

Ok so then virtual alpine it is for first round

Well, you have access to the serial console in the emulator (edited)

This will you find interesting I paid £30 for my Touch that includes the eInk and the lithum battery and of course a computer. https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1.htm

5.65“ - 13.3“ - e-Paper - Displays

Waveshare

Yeah, those are expensive

5:49 PM

I'm trying to build an InkBox reader out of a Banana Pi M2 Zero and I'm still deciding on which one to buy, and if it will work or not

£31.46 for a 5.83 inch Epaper 648x480 black and white without PCB

I ordered this https://www.ebay.ca/itm/293178985197 to test grounds a bit and see whether I can do it or not

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I was thinking go 10 inch can do all sorts with it then. https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/10.3inch-e-paper-d.htm

1872×1404, 10.3inch flexible E-Ink raw display, parallel port, with...

1872×1404, 10.3inch flexible E-Ink raw display, parallel port, without PCB

5:53 PM

Well with the hat https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/10.3inch-e-paper-hat-d.htm

1872×1404, 10.3inch flexible E-Ink display HAT for Raspberry Pi, IT...

1872×1404, 10.3inch flexible E-Ink display HAT for Raspberry Pi, IT8951 controller, USB/SPI/I80 interface

5:54 PM

When you 3D print a case for it proportionally it doesn't feel as thick then and there's plenty of layout room for batterys and the like

5:55 PM

Though this could be a lot of fun https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/5.65inch-e-paper-f.htm

5.65inch Colorful E-Paper E-Ink Raw Display, 600×448 Pixels, ACeP 7...

5.65inch Colorful E-Paper E-Ink Raw Display, 600×448 Pixels, ACeP 7-Color, Without PCB

Would I absolutely need a serial port to unbrick my Kobo? I'd rather not have to disassemble it to keep it waterproof.

@tux-linux Just to say typical someone came back to me with one on market place serial number N905B1B308073

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btwarch147

Would I absolutely need a serial port to unbrick my Kobo? I'd rather not have to disassemble it to keep it waterproof.

It's not sealed

10:49 PM

(my Libra popped right open with no seals, only the PCB is tropicalized) (edited)

Daboone72

Though this could be a lot of fun https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/5.65inch-e-paper-f.htm

The resolution is not a lot of fun

btwarch147

Would I absolutely need a serial port to unbrick my Kobo? I'd rather not have to disassemble it to keep it waterproof.

There might be a way of activating fastboot by pressing both the power and a page turn button at the same time while booting

11:09 PM

But you'll need serial port for debugging InkBox kernel

Daboone72

This will you find interesting I paid £30 for my Touch that includes the eInk and the lithum battery and of course a computer. https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1.htm

It also includes a native Linux display driver, quite nice

my h2o2 is no longer waterproof lmao

It's not the same way of waterproofing on the Libra

ah

Online library looks nice on Libra H2O

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Hello!

hi!

So I can use uuu without a serial port?

5:27 PM

I think I'll give it a go

kevin

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30 usd for glo hd with charging port issues?

@kevin I wouldn't, have a harder you can get Kobo Touch's for next to nothing all working and they have swappable SD card and support wifi, to clarify the N905B does. Tip is get them to give you the serial number or a pic of the bottom of the box the serial number and hence verison N905B will be on there (edited)

@Daboone72 Where I'm based, kobo touch's are rare and going for 50-70 usd

Maybe a Clara HD get tux to give you an image.

I could do with an image as well. If he's made one I know he has for the Libra H2O already. That's another way to go

11:44 AM

Apparently you can multiboot that one. Shame fixed 8Gb on board. But if you check your docs it's hard to get that many

11:44 AM

Unless your a comic fan

kevin

30 usd for glo hd with charging port issues?

@Daboone72 points are good, but I think I would take it. There's a porting possibility there, plus I might get one soon. If the Kobo can power on and the charger port can work in some way, I think it would be worth it.

But no charging and no connectivity that sucks

12:40 PM

Swapping a battery over is not cheap I did for the Kobo Mini and ended up at £50

12:41 PM

That's $68.19

Wi-Fi is rtl8189 IIRC, very easy to port

Now you tell me I fancied a Glo but you said wifi was a no go

Well, if he just wants to test InkBox

12:41 PM

He found a Glo HD

12:42 PM

Not a Glo

12:42 PM

Glo HD is imx6sl, not imx507 Better screen (300 PPI)

AAhh yes much 1448 x1072

Yeah

Ahh that's perfect for what I want;.

Well there's no image for it yet though But yeah, it's a nice device

And 4GB internal is enough for some code

12:49 PM

Post market OS have done a little work but no mention fo anything working yet. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/index.php?title=Kobo_Glo_HD_(kobo-glo-hd)&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=serekobn437b&categoryName=ereaders&superCatName=electronics&title=kobo-n437-glo-hd-6%22,-b

You can replace the microSD for a larger one too

12:49 PM

It's on kernel 3.0.35, so maybe it's possible

Ohh there's a B version hmm

12:50 PM

Kobo N437

12:50 PM

Or maybe it stands for black I hope not

Huh? You speaking of the Touch 2.0?

12:51 PM

"Kobo N437 Glo HD 6", B"

It doesn't exist

12:52 PM

Probably a mistake

Time to dive into Wiki

12:52 PM

Maybe UK market?

Possibly?

I think typo like you said

12:54 PM

N437-KJ-BK-S-EP as that's the black code

12:56 PM

So the clara is thinner and lighter with more memory

12:57 PM

And infrared touch screen and Comfort Pro on the Clara

Yeah

Daboone72

So the clara is thinner and lighter with more memory

Only 512M memory, same as Glo HD But you were probably speaking of the storage space

Yeah it's pmOS-compatible

And infrared touch screen wonder if they last

1:00 PM

"So, what benefits does infrared touchscreen technology offer? For starters, they offer a superior level of strength and durability"

1:00 PM

https://www.nelson-miller.com/infrared-touchscreen-work/

What is an Infrared Touchscreen and How Does It Work? - Nelson-Mill...

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Well honestly infrared touch screens are not that bad

There's one on ebay for £69 + £2.8 postage

1:02 PM

Well for indoors where I'll have mineand no dirt it's great (edited)

A bit expensive maybe?

1:02 PM

As you want

it is a bit can make an offer though

1:03 PM

If you can multi boot a Libra and a Libra 2 I'm probably better off with one of those

Don't know exactly how pounds line up with $CA, but here I'd try for $40

1:04 PM

I don't know about kexec reliability on the Glo HD

That's very cheap I bough the Kobo Touch N905B for that.

1:05 PM

I was thinking mid range 60 USD which is about £45 here.

Oh I got my Touches for $25 or something

1:06 PM

Even the Glo was a good deal at $30

I guess the swappable SD card is popular here in the markets they probably swap them for 32b and sell them.

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1:06 PM

Though I did get a 12 month warranty for mien

Oh ok Not me

But they go for that on ebay as well

1:09 PM

Ohh there's one for £25 2 days left on it./

1:13 PM

I got alpine 3.1.5 on a virtual machine btw x86 just to start feeling my way round will make setup less painful when do arm. Can't find golang for it yet though. I suspect unconfigured package sources

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Add community in /etc/apk/repositories maybe?

Thanks great idea

1:43 PM

Great community was commented out why on earth I don't know

Daboone72

I got alpine 3.1.5 on a virtual machine btw x86 just to start feeling my way round will make setup less painful when do arm. Can't find golang for it yet though. I suspect unconfigured package sources

Are you on 3.15 or 3.1.5??

@tux-linux alpine-standard-3.15.0-x86_64.iso

5:04 PM

@tux-linux alpine-virt-3.15.0-armv7.iso was my first choice but there only semeed to be qemu x86 didn't know how to fire it up with the right CPU option

Yeah, qemu-system-arm is quite a bit complicated It doesn't work out of the box

@tux-linux Would you be able to send some instructions for installing inkbox on a libra?

Yes, no problems As soon as I have time

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@tux-linux And don't forget there's bash history if you've cranked up the history value the commands might be there.

9:28 PM

Am planning to use mine to document the Alpine Linux install steps I did.

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I use fish, don't know if you heard about it Very nice, although non-POSIX compliant, but worth using anyway (edited)

Well I'm slowly getting to use to zsh with the https://ohmyz.sh/ add on after seeing a Clojure guy use it

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10:45 PM

Status bar themes with git status very nice

10:45 PM

https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/wiki/Themes Will look at fish

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10:46 PM

Web based config is nice and man pages possibly

zsh is very nice too

Daboone72

But no charging and no connectivity that sucks

I might attempt a fix. The port is apparently loose

@tux-linux I'm thinking of joining your Kobo Clara HD party the Touch I just bought isn't a B as it turns out confusing grade B I think

3:14 PM

There's a Kobo Clara HD 24 month warranty for £90 a bit more than I want to spend. But with yourself working actively I see past 7 days on a version and postmarket proved working even with wifi it's all looking good.

3:15 PM

And get a decent high res screen 800x600 is lower res that most cheap color screens of 1280x800 or even an old 1024x600

@tux-linux Update I have bought a Clara HD after trying out the install for postMarketOS

Wow very nice ! Keep me posted, you'll probably be very helpful in porting

Daboone72

@tux-linux Update I have bought a Clara HD after trying out the install for postMarketOS

you have postmarket running on it?

8:05 PM

@tux-linux I checked my work machine specs out but haven't figured out the gpu yet

You don't really need a powerful GPU

8:57 PM

Only CPU Graphics are emulated

@rsjn No I just compiled the postmarket os image to be sure it was complete enough mainline kernel and multi choice of window managers Wayland nice get RDP access

@tux-linux Ahh if you could just get the glo hd going with wifi I'd be happy man

(edited)

It should be possible The driver is quite easy to port

@Daboone72 once you get the Clara, create a thread in #porting if you want. Will probably be easier to do that way

@tux-linux what equipment required to help port?

Serial connection

10:50 PM

See the beginning of the Libra H2O porting thread in #porting

Hello everyone, I just learnt that I had caught COVID recently, currently I'm doing relatively well but I don't know how it will be in the next days. I'm not considered 'at risk', so don't be too worried. This message is to inform you that I might have limited availability for some time, so be patient if I'm not responding quickly. Thanks! (edited)

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rest up!!

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andi joined the server. 1/23/2022 9:16 PM

hello !

get well soon tux!

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@tux-linux Well got my Clara HD it's a refurbished one though with a warranty. I won't be busting it open straight away will evaluate it for while make sure they fixed what was wrong in the first place.

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Plus since it's the same 6 inch screen size as my old Kindle will be good todo evaluation of some Amazon book conversion.

3:04 PM

@tux-linux Will get a Kobo Touch soon though that will be fun to develop some stuff for.

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I'm kind of surprised by how people say that InkBox is fast. I just received a donation (thanks go to the someone who donated), and there was a note saying that the someone who donated found the system "stunningly fast". Very nice indeed, but I can't figure out why. I mean, it takes 2 minutes to boot with X11, ~1 minute without, and there's a giant squashfs/overlayfs/FUSE overhead that slows down the whole system for the benefit of saving space. Do you find InkBox fast?

probably the DU updates?

DU, you mean fast eInk refresh?

yeah

I don't think there is that in InkBox

6:00 PM

Not any kind of A2 either even for Mark 7 (fbink-xdamage was not compiled for that)

6:01 PM

As for kobo-platform-plugin, I've never seen it doing fast refreshes

That's probably because of the contrast with nickel, which is generally terrible at UI interactivity

Maybe you're right... I haven't used Nickel in months

hmm, if you are all opening your devices... Do you know a part number or something of that battery connector commonly used

8:05 PM

seen that one in the Kobo Clara HD, the Tolino Shine 2 HD, the Tolino Shine 3, Probably also in Kobo Glo HD

8:05 PM

in Libra H2O the battery is soldered...

Nope, maybe you'll learn something of my PCB picture in the Aura 2 thread

without connector

8:06 PM

yes that connector looks same as in tho Kobo Clara HD

8:07 PM

would like to have something for measuring currents in between, to check for suspend currents, etc.

I have a multimeter here (not available right now though) (edited)

8:08 PM

I know that some Kobos can work without battery with just USB plugged in

yes, they can

The Mini can

probably all with rc5t619 in it

But newer ones don't want to boot, probably require too much power

8:09 PM

it's not tps6185 something?

that is for the display

oh

but probably the peak currents might give problems

Yeah, the Glo is borderline, it can power on without battery but after a certain time it just freezes for no appparent reason

8:11 PM

(probably too much CPU load)

8:12 PM

The Touches can work without battery too

8:13 PM

I have a Touch C which is so broken that the battery was forever disconnected and I need to "boost" it over serial with 3.3V VCC after plugging it via USB otherwise it doesn't power on

8:13 PM

Once it is powered on though, it works no problem

8:13 PM

And just USB power is sufficient

probably also depends on how thick the wires in the usb cable are

8:14 PM

and many small mechanical issues

Maybe

about that current measurement thing: I am thinking about automated tests with suspend current, and with the ability to just reconnect the battery and return to normal usage

I know you can hotplug the battery in Kobos

8:16 PM

I do that fairly frequently

well would like to insert the multimeter betwenn BAT+ and the PCB, so having some adaptor would be nice, and have stable connections, I really would like to see something like a digikey part number for that connector

Maybe could you find that on replacement battery listings?

@Daboone72 Maybe you should buy an Aura 2 N236 instead; the screen is much better than on the Touch and InkBox support is almost finished for it. Also I bought a Glo HD earlier today so maybe we'll have a chance to see it ported there too

(edited)

@tux-linux Thanks though I've spent enough now I have a Touch and a Clara HD

Oh, I thought you didn't buy the Touch yet

11:20 PM

Nice anyway

11:20 PM

Touch B?

The Glo would have been nice but I need a stable distribution

11:21 PM

Yes Touch B N905B

What Glo are we talking about?

11:21 PM

Nice

Glo HD the one with the Clara screen that's alot cheaper

The Kobo Glo itself is fully supported The Glo HD isn't

11:21 PM

hmm

I want Wifi though

oh yes

11:21 PM

true

well, Glo HD should be easy to have mainline kernel support

that would be awesome

11:22 PM

it's mx6sl too

11:22 PM

On my broken one, only the mainboard works, no screen, but it sure can be used for testing The new one I bought should be nice for InkBox

Should be but no one's done it yet it seems. Even postmarket OS not much mileage on it yet.

@andi is a master on this

11:22 PM

He ported mainline to Clara HD

Bit surprised though looks like will have the pop the case of the Touch as that SD card slot is in addition to the OS

11:23 PM

Broken Glo?

Yep That model also has the strangest internal SD slot I've ever seen

11:23 PM

Well, the screen is borked

11:23 PM

mainboard works

11:24 PM

I used it as a Mediawiki server some time ago (edited)

I know some Austrian guy who tried to create a devicetree

11:24 PM

for the Kobo Glo HD

I think it's linked on the pmOS wiki page

11:25 PM

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Glo_HD_(kobo-glo-hd)

Kobo Glo HD (kobo-glo-hd)

11:25 PM

There

11:25 PM

Tolino Shine device should help with mainline dts

Yes but not in same shape as the clara hd page

11:25 PM

Features all blank

yeah, definitely needs some work

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara) That is alot more encouaging lots of works/works/works

Kobo Clara HD (kobo-clara)

11:27 PM

I'm sure it will happen just don't want to be writing code as well as hacking kernels at the same time

11:27 PM

Even the comfort pro light works on the Clara and you can plug in a keyboard nice

have you tried postmarketos there?

11:28 PM

on the Clara

comfort pro is just another sysfs path you can change/write to (edited)

11:28 PM

but yeah

Not yet on the clara it's still under warranty

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11:28 PM

My plan is test ebook conversion of my Kindle colleciton on the clara then get a Libra 2 or even a Forma 8 inches would be nice.

11:29 PM

Then can flog my Kindle and use the Clara for project work.

I have dualboot (directly from the bootloader) on my Clara

that's cool

andi That's great to here though isn't it without some pain though?

11:30 PM

rewrite each time or something?

well, if update is too aggressive I need to rewrite uboot env

11:31 PM

but that can be done via fastboot

11:31 PM

and the original system gets no wifi when I am travelling

11:31 PM

selection is via led blinking and power button

What I find that sucks in 2009.08 U-Boots is that there's not any kind of if/elif/else scripting in the prompt

11:32 PM

Nice that you can dual-boot just by writing a different env

well, the clara has a more recent U-Boot

yeah, useful

https://misc.andi.de1.cc/kobo/

Thanks andi makes me more pleased with my choice. Was worth the extra £30 it seems.

there is documentation about my dualboot

If can boot to the original software?

nice

yes

11:34 PM

well, basically I have triple-boot

11:34 PM

1. vendor kernel with debian system

11:34 PM

2. mainline kernel with the same debian system

11:35 PM

3. original system

@tux-linux For you Clara is a great port reviewed as being a nice reader for most folks

Yeah

11:35 PM

First I'd need to get one at a fair price ;p

11:35 PM

They still sell for like $80-100 here

11:36 PM

Being a student, price limit for a Kobo is about $30 max...

$ = USD or CAD

CAD (edited)

A bargain I payed $154 Canadian equivalent for mine

that's a lot-

And Kobo Glo's go for that here $80-100 here

The Glo HD was $20

11:37 PM

(minus shipping)

The Clara's are still sold new for £120

that was good luck

£120 is $205.25 Cnaadian

that's more expensive than in new condition

(edited)

Must be import duty and local pricing.

I guess

11:39 PM

Kobo is based in Canada too, so I guess prices might be slightly lower here

well, I got my Clara in 2019 for about 150 CAD equivalent

The only Kobos I had "new" were the Glo HD somewhere near 2015 and the Libra H2O at full price in July 2020 (edited)

11:40 PM

The two were worth it

11:40 PM

Glo HD is basically as good as you can get as the Clara IMO

The bloke I bought my touch from has put a screen protector on, now need to figure out how to remove it.

screen protectors on e-readers are a strange idea

11:43 PM

Better to get a cover

Crazy in my mind have got glare

I have removed the back part of my clara case

11:44 PM

and put it into a cover

that's a nice idea

11:44 PM

I should do that with my Libra

and glued a bicycle holder adaptor on it

Yay got the protector off already looks better without the bubbles

survived >10000 km (edited)

nice

I like the feel of the back of the Touch very nice

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and then I have a second cover

11:46 PM

with holes above the serial port

That's handy

and a pogo pin adaptor

That is a good idea I like pogo pins

The RetroFlag Gpi Case uses them no soldering

cool

11:47 PM

I'm still at my Ethernet cables/wires ;p (edited)

11:48 PM

Only disadvantage is it's difficult to see what's on the display when you're connected to serial

@andi So that's a little daughter circuit board?

I have one with just the wires attached, this one has a BLE SoC

11:49 PM

so I can debug it wireless

that's nice

Is it stable bluetooth serial?

it is on its limits

11:50 PM

ordinary bluetooth is not that problematic

11:50 PM

but BLE is more problematic

11:51 PM

if I am not using BLE, I have the pogo pins on a small board and just soldered wires on the other side

What pitch for the pogo pins to line up with the Tx/Rx?

main serial port: 2,54mm

11:52 PM

secondary I guess 1.5mm or something

11:53 PM

TP198 is usually another serial port

11:53 PM

it is not always enabled

11:53 PM

proven to work on the Kobo Clara HD, the Tolino Shine 3 and the Tolino Shine 2HD

we could test it on the libra if you want

11:54 PM

oh actually is there one

hmm, there is no TP198 on the libra I guess

Maybe there are no holes

11:55 PM

just pads

11:55 PM

and we didn't see it

yes, TP198 is just pads

11:55 PM

a group of 4 pads

Oh, I thought you were talking about some other serial port with holes, like the ones you can find on the Glo HD (edited)

11:56 PM

But Aura 2 has TP198 too

yes

11:57 PM

I have some ideas to streamline devicetree production..

hmm?

so maybe I can also help for the Kobo Glo HD

That would be awesome

11:58 PM

Well, I'll make a porting thread, once it arrives we can have a look (edited)

I will first do some final clean up of my EPDC drm driver

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11:59 PM

and then send it to the kernel mailinglist for review

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I also have my broken one currently so I can take some detailed pictures of the PCB

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heya, the download link for the inkbox kobo mini OS seems to be down. are there any reuploads of it? (edited)

Which download link are you talking about?

https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/mini/inkbox-1.0.img.xz

Don't use that domain

2:36 AM

New one is at http://23.163.0.39

...it's the one linked in the main website, lol

2:37 AM

alright

oh really

2:37 AM

I'll change it then

2:37 AM

So change address but same path

SheepyChris

https://pkgs.kobox.fermino.me/bundles/inkbox/native/mini/inkbox-1.0.img.xz

You should download the 1.5 one

thank you

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So there http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n705/inkbox-1.5-n705.xz

I just picked up a kobo mini from the thrift store for 8 dollars today, I was absolutely not expecting it could do linux haha

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2:38 AM

quite a glad surprise

yep

worked first try :D

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3:05 AM

I've used a microSD card that's a bit larger than the original (64gb vs 4gb lol), does the operating system automatically partition the remaining storage or would I need to create a new one?

No, you would need to extend the onboard file (which is exported on USB) to fit the card

ahh, gotcha

It's on p4/onboard

3:06 AM

You could practically just delete it and create a new one

3:07 AM

dd if=/dev/zero of=onboard bs=1M count=8192 for 8G

3:07 AM

then

3:07 AM

mkfs.vfat onboard

3:07 AM

And it's done

quite easy heh

3:10 AM

how would you exit a kobox application? I think netsurf might've hang

oh

3:11 AM

Did you open a menu?

I think so lol

Netsurf has the magic and mysterious capacity to hang the VNC touch viewer which passes touch input to X

3:11 AM

So you've hit that

wew

It only happens to Netsurf

3:11 AM

You can reset the device

3:11 AM

There's a way to quit Netsurf without hanging it

that's a shame, I love netsurf

But there's no wi-fi on your model

tux-linux

Netsurf has the magic and mysterious capacity to hang the VNC touch viewer which passes touch input to X

When you open a menu

ahh true

To quit, there's a button on the far top right with an x (missing icon) icon, click there, and IIRC it's File -> Quit

3:13 AM

Did you update it to v1.8?

3:14 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox#how-do-i-upgrade-inkbox

not yet, still getting familiar with it

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3:15 AM

but thank you for the info

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Don't forget this

Note: Prior to version 1.6, InkBox had to be upgraded one version at a time. If your device's factory image ships with version 1.5, you need to closely follow the upgrade instructions here.

3:15 AM

(in the readme)

hi, chris

hello!

InkBox now has a DISPLAY_DEBUG flag, which allows to print the output that is usually seen only on serial on the screen. Helpful for debugging. https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/377a2e83c1ac4da87ef957bb229eec371e0049fb Video here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4U6mJY2khLZS3Yo7

Implement DISPLAY_DEBUG flag · Kobo-InkBox/kernel@377a2e8

This flag uses InkVT (from NiLuJe's fork: https://github.com/NiLuJe/inkvt , thanks to @llandsmeer too) to display the entire output of the rcS on the eInk screen when it usually is on the s...

https://misc.andi.de1.cc/shine2-bootup-noaudio.mp4

7:03 PM

so does boot up look at the moment on the Tolino Shine 2 HD

niice

7:04 PM

Mine isn't a full console really

7:04 PM

But redirecting rcS output to a fifo, then piping that fifo into inkvt is enough to debug most things

yes, it already helps a lot

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7:06 PM

but somehow having messages scrolling down on the screen during boot feels nice

inkvt scrolls down too ;p

in that video my drm driver is in action. It gets rectangles from the console automatically using standard apis

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7:24 PM

I even get rectangles for the blinking cursor

nice!

there is /sys/class/graphics/fbcon/cursor_blink to turn that blinking off. unnecessarily consumes power

didn't know about it useful

I did not know it before, I started with filtering out those refreshes in my driver. first I thought about escape sequences like \033[33m to get colored text

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If anyone has a fix for this, I'm open : https://github.com/Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin/issues/3

Build error · Issue #3 · Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin

Hello, finally decided to update the platform plugin, since the old one from March didn't work properly with the Glo HD in InkBox. I get the following build error: nicolas@gentoo-ryzen ~/Do...

7:18 PM

The old platform plugin from March works with all devices except the Glo HD; on it, touch input only works once, and in a "constantly pressed" state, like if you were holding your finger on the button. Once you touch somewhere else, it "releases", then you can touch the same area again and it starts over. Interesting thing is that there is no way of touching somewhere else and activating something else than what you touched previously. (edited)

7:20 PM

Also, killing the inkbox-bin process triggers (most of the time) a kernel fault related to QEvdevTouch.

7:26 PM

https://photos.app.goo.gl/j9mvKSiYtYRyynDY6 Video to better explain what I was saying

Kernel traces are like that

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7:48 PM

I just tested with compiled libkobo.so from latest UMR release and nothing has changed. Quite worrying...

@NiLuJe or @andi (or anyone else that would want to help), if you have any insight on this, I would be immensely grateful. If I don't get touch working with Qt on the Glo HD, support for this device will basically be useless.

It seems event codes are different compared to the similar (hardware-wise) Aura SE: code 57 on the Glo HD always has value 1

8:41 PM

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8:46 PM

GitHub issue on the problem: https://github.com/Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin/issues/4

well, some kind of kernel bug...

then I hate Kobo kernels

do I really want to debug that old kernel

It does that under the stock Nickel one too (when the outdated InkBox add-on is installed)

I was a bit busy with the FOSDEM this weekend

no problem; also I discovered the issue only a few hours ago

8:50 PM

I'll be sure to watch your FOSDEM talks too

It was really important to get people connected

8:53 PM

Alistair is doing mainlining on remarkable 2

Nice

and smaeul is doing mainlining on the pine note

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8:55 PM

The Kobo Clara, Libra, and the other devices share the same touchscreen driver

That is capacitive

8:55 PM

right?

yes

Glo HD has IR

cyttsp5

8:55 PM

zforce_ir I guess

yeah

8:56 PM

zForce neonode NN1001

8:59 PM

It seems drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c is the interesting file

yes, same on the Tolino Shine 2HD

9:00 PM

drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_ts.c

9:00 PM

on mainline

Do you think replacing 1 by 0 in ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID should be done somewhere (line 154)? (edited)

andi

drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_ts.c

Would it be possible to use this code in the vendor kernel then?

kernel versions differ so much

9:04 PM

probably hard

hmm

well, I guess the real problem there is the overlong kernel commandline

Basically it seems that Qt is not realizing that finger has left the screen and it leaves that button pressed Now, on to why you cannot press anything else but what you initially clicked after that, I don't know... (edited)

at least for that kernel oops in the issue

cmdline in InkBox is

console=ttymxc0,115200 rootwait rw hwcfg_p=0x9ffffe00 hwcfg_sz=110 waveform_p=0x9f9ba800 waveform_sz=6575584 mem=505M boot_port=1 rootfstype=ramfs root=/dev/ram0 rdinit=/sbin/init printk.time quiet

9:06 PM

But it doesn't work in Nickel either

andi

drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_ts.c

Where can I find the source?

well, e.g. in my kernel branches, in the Clara/Libra kernels

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9:15 PM

and of course https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/

ok, so it's mainline-ed

interesting Clara Vendor kernel has both, zforce_i2c and zforce_ts

Glo HD only has zforce_i2c

9:19 PM

ok, well, it stopped early

drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c:19:33: fatal error: linux/gpio/consumer.h: No such file or directory
 #include <linux/gpio/consumer.h>

9:19 PM

might try transplanting this file in include/ ?

what are you doing

9:20 PM

?

9:20 PM

compiling just the Glo HD kernel?

trying to compile the zforce_ts

9:20 PM

yeah, with glo hd kernel (edited)

9:21 PM

(I renamed zforce_ts to zforce_i2c)

I doubt that is is helpful

9:22 PM

there is probably more trouble ahead, even you need to add platform data

yeah, just trying things out don't know what to do really

Ok, we get this

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9:43 PM

I'll try comparing current sources with those ones (https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/blob/177f41b09f3225e76259063b76b3cf8a3b192c92/hw/imx6sl-glohd/kernel.tar.bz2) to see if anything changed in zforce_i2c.c

9:48 PM

diff

https://github.com/Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin/blob/e2f39a0eef1dbf6a65c579be7184c82b5c3834e9/src/kobodevicedescriptor.cpp#L15

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The QPA should probably just handle ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID properly

9:54 PM

I mean, what the kernel does is probably wonky,n but then none of the Kobo kernels have sane input reports

Thanks for replying! Hmm. What would you mean by "handling ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID properly"? (edited)

The H2O has the same quirk: there's no slot 0

9:55 PM

first contact takes slot 1 instead of 0

So that's the problem

Which should be mostly harmless to a sane userland state machine

9:57 PM

(IIRC, until I hacked around it in KOReader, it basically just ate the firts tap)

tux-linux

Do you think replacing 1 by 0 in ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID should be done somewhere (line 154)? (edited)

Or maybe that could be modified to 0?

As for the build issue, compiler's right, that's a syntax error

9:59 PM

qt5-kobo-platform-plugin/kobodevicedescriptor.cpp at e2f39a0eef1dbf...

A Qt5 platform backend plugin for Kobo E-Ink devices. - qt5-kobo-platform-plugin/kobodevicedescriptor.cpp at e2f39a0eef1dbf6a65c579be7184c82b5c3834e9 · Rain92/qt5-kobo-platform-plugin

9:59 PM

shoudl read .touchscreenSettings = {.swapXY = false, .hasMultitouch = false},

9:59 PM

(same for every other device, C/P snafu)

Hmm It hasn't made a difference though, using the latest compiled version Might still try, thanks

NiLuJe

shoudl read .touchscreenSettings = {.swapXY = false, .hasMultitouch = false},

And that for every other device description below, I guess?

Yup

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But to work properly, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID should have a value of -1 at some point, right?

10:08 PM

 else if (data->code == ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID)
        {
            qCDebug(qLcEvdevTouch) << "EV_ABS TRACKING_ID " << data->value;
            m_currentData.trackingId = data->value;
            if (m_typeB)
            {
                if (m_currentData.trackingId == -1)
                {
                    m_contacts[m_currentSlot].state = Qt::TouchPointReleased;
                    qCDebug(qLcEvdevTouch) << "EV_ABS TRACKING_ID -1 touch point released";
                }
                else
                {
                    m_contacts[m_currentSlot].state = Qt::TouchPointPressed;
                    m_contacts[m_currentSlot].trackingId = m_currentData.trackingId;
                    qCDebug(qLcEvdevTouch) << "EV_ABS TRACKING_ID !-1 touch point pressed";
                }
            }
        }

That's what it seems to be in old march commit, qevdevtouchhandler.cpp, lines 619-637 (edited)

Yup

But... that's what happens on the Aura SE when I click on a button and the QPA actually works:

Event: time 245.724530, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 0
Event: time 245.724541, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 245.724542, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 245.724546, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 965
Event: time 245.724548, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 272
Event: time 245.724551, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 245.724554, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 0 (ABS_X), value 965
Event: time 245.724557, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 1 (ABS_Y), value 272
Event: time 245.724561, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 24 (ABS_PRESSURE), value 1024
Event: time 245.724564, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 330 (BTN_TOUCH), value 1
Event: time 245.724568, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 245.854074, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 0
Event: time 245.854078, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 0
Event: time 245.854080, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 0
Event: time 245.854089, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 965
Event: time 245.854092, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 272
Event: time 245.854095, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 245.854103, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 24 (ABS_PRESSURE), value 0
Event: time 245.854105, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 330 (BTN_TOUCH), value 0
Event: time 245.854107, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------

ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID never becomes -1...

Because Kobo ;p

10:15 PM

It never happens on any Kobo

10:16 PM

(it should, though)

So the QPA relies on something else, I guess?

So we have to detect contact lifts in other ways

10:16 PM

(usually, a pressure-like event hitting 0)

10:16 PM

Or just doing insane trickery to basically keep track of slots in userland

10:16 PM

Which is dumb

10:17 PM

But, oh, well

So, TOUCH_MAJOR and WIDTH_MAJOR?

10:17 PM

Event: time 1366.114983, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 1366.114987, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 1366.163248, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 1
Event: time 1366.163253, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 1366.163256, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 1366.163260, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 865
Event: time 1366.163264, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 686
Event: time 1366.163272, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 1366.163276, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 1366.172825, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 1
Event: time 1366.172830, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 1366.172833, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 1366.172837, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 869
Event: time 1366.172841, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 688
Event: time 1366.172849, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 1366.172853, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 1366.182036, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 1
Event: time 1366.182042, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 0
Event: time 1366.182045, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 0
Event: time 1366.182049, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 869
Event: time 1366.182053, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 688
Event: time 1366.182058, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 24 (ABS_PRESSURE), value 0
Event: time 1366.182062, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 330 (BTN_TOUCH), value 0
Event: time 1366.182065, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++

But Glo HD makes those become 0 and it still doesn't work

KOReader uses ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR == 0 to fake a lift on those, yeah

10:20 PM

Possibly incomplete recap: https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/blob/cfea2676d970e375c6d0228ad691a9431becbef2/utils/finger_trace.c#L280-L295

FBInk/finger_trace.c at cfea2676d970e375c6d0228ad691a9431becbef2 · ...

FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print text & images to an eInk Linux framebuffer - FBInk/finger_trace.c at cfea2676d970e375c6d0228ad691a9431becbef2 · NiLuJe/FBInk

Ok, that one is a clean touch-release event sequence from the Glo HD:

Event: time 31.145869, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 1
Event: time 31.145900, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 31.145903, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 1
Event: time 31.145914, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 1018
Event: time 31.145917, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 346
Event: time 31.145921, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 24 (ABS_PRESSURE), value 1024
Event: time 31.145930, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 330 (BTN_TOUCH), value 1
Event: time 31.145933, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 31.145946, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 31.213910, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID), value 1
Event: time 31.213925, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 48 (ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR), value 0
Event: time 31.213927, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 50 (ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR), value 0
Event: time 31.213936, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X), value 1018
Event: time 31.213939, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y), value 346
Event: time 31.213943, type 3 (EV_ABS), code 24 (ABS_PRESSURE), value 0
Event: time 31.213945, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 330 (BTN_TOUCH), value 0
Event: time 31.213947, ++++++++++++++ SYN_MT_REPORT ++++++++++++
Event: time 31.213954, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------

10:21 PM

Ok, so ABS_MT_PRESSURE, except that on the Glo HD it seems to be ABS_PRESSURE

10:25 PM

Whoa, that's a lot of warnings

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old gcc?

11.2.1...

then wrong syntax again ;p

This is the file as it is currently

kobodevicedescriptor.cpp

11.2 KB

don't have the tc set up to check

I... think I followed your instructions correctly?

that doesn't work in c++ or something, iirc (edited)

hmm, reading some stackoverflow question about it

Strange, it seems it detects it has been depressed

11:07 PM

11.63 KB

Also, what in the world is gIsCustomerUi?

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not so clear idea, look around where it is used elsewhere

I did

it is only clear that it has to be removed...

It's an extern int

11:31 PM

build@inkbox:~/inkbox/kernel/kernel/linux-3.0.35-n437$ grep -rI "gIsCustomerUi" .
./arch/arm/mach-mx6/mx6sl_ntx_io.c:extern int gIsCustomerUi;
./arch/arm/mach-mx6/mx6sl_ntx_io.c:             iPwrKeyState,g_power_key_debounce,gIsCustomerUi);
./arch/arm/mach-mx6/mx6sl_ntx_io.c:     //if (gIsCustomerUi) 
./arch/arm/mach-mx6/board-mx6sl_ntx.c:int gIsCustomerUi;
./arch/arm/mach-mx6/board-mx6sl_ntx.c:  gIsCustomerUi = (int)gptHWCFG->m_val.bUIStyle;
./arch/arm/mach-mx6/board-mx6sl_ntx.c:  if (gIsCustomerUi)
./drivers/misc/ntx-misc.c:extern int gIsCustomerUi;
./drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c:extern int gIsCustomerUi;
./drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c:       if (gIsCustomerUi){
./drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c:                       if (gIsCustomerUi) 
./drivers/input/touchscreen/elan_touch_i2c.c:extern int gIsCustomerUi;
./drivers/input/touchscreen/elan_touch_i2c.c:           if (gIsCustomerUi)
./drivers/input/touchscreen/elan_touch_i2c.c:           if (gIsCustomerUi) 
./drivers/input/touchscreen/elan_touch_i2c.c:           if (gIsCustomerUi) 
./drivers/input/keyboard/tle4913_keypad.c:extern int gIsCustomerUi;
./drivers/input/keyboard/tle4913_keypad.c:      if(gIsCustomerUi) {
./System.map:80b600c8 B gIsCustomerUi
./.tmp_System.map:80b600c8 B gIsCustomerUi
build@inkbox:~/inkbox/kernel/kernel/linux-3.0.35-n437$

hmm a switch between android and non-android probably

11:34 PM

bUIStyle = 2 '\002' = android, 1 = kobo firmware

oh

11:35 PM

Where did you find that?

do not remember exactly where, but I compared with the HWCFG stuff I have

11:42 PM

if(2==gptHWCFG->m_val.bUIStyle) { // android .

11:42 PM

drivers/video/fbdev/mxc/mxc_epdc_v2_fb.c in Kobo Clara HD Kernel

Yup, it's the NTX toggle for stock/android/custom UI

11:53 PM

Which mainly fucks with input & rotation

*cries out of despair*

Ok, here's the two QPA debug logs compared

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/2ff5ad4af885b79c9b552495532cea9d799b91c8

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12:06 AM

I'm trying to decide whether I bash my head against the kernel or the QPA to fix this problem (edited)

if( (1 == id) && (g_touch_pressed&(1<<2)) ) // id 2 still pressed What does this mean? (line 168 of zforce_i2c.c)

12:36 AM

This file is cryptic

IT WOOOOOOOORKSSSS

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12:47 AM

Only with the following modifications

diff --git a/kernel/linux-3.0.35-n437/drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c b/kernel/linux-3.0.35-n437/drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c
index 28152989d5..dea91ac2a8 100755
--- a/kernel/linux-3.0.35-n437/drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c
+++ b/kernel/linux-3.0.35-n437/drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c
@@ -163,17 +163,19 @@ static void _zForce_ir_touch_report_touch_up(char id)
                input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR, 0);
                input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_POSITION_X, last_x[id]);
                input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_POSITION_Y, last_y[id]);
+               input_mt_sync(zForce_ir_touch_data.input);
                input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_PRESSURE, 0);
                input_report_key(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, BTN_TOUCH, 0);
                if( (1 == id) && (g_touch_pressed&(1<<2)) )  // id 2 still pressed
                {
-                       input_mt_sync(zForce_ir_touch_data.input);
+                       // input_mt_sync(zForce_ir_touch_data.input);
                        input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, 2);
                        input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR, 1);
                        input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR, 1);
                        input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_POSITION_X, last_x[2]);
                        input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_POSITION_Y, last_y[2]);
                }
+               input_sync(zForce_ir_touch_data.input);
        }
        else {
                input_report_abs(zForce_ir_touch_data.input, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, id);

12:48 AM

I tried to follow the Aura SE events order, and it paid off!

12:48 AM

Thanks to everyone who has helped in some way!

12:50 AM

N437: Make QT QPA touch input work (finally!) · Kobo-InkBox/kernel@...

Ok, Kobo kernels are literal shit. It does work, but when I try to launch X11, it segfaults everywhere and finally it comes to a general device crash. I don't doubt it will do that too in other situations within InkBox itself

Well, fine. If it works from time to time, then there must be a way to make it work definitely. I hope it's not some kind of unfixable void that will stay there forever...

Ok, slowly progressing... When restarting the QPA, I get this, will investigate...

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/2

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This happens with current commit https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/2139b799d73e6ed0d25b0fd77ac1d7292a613a60 It seems there's a bad pointer somewhere in the code, I'll try to see where it could be...

dr. joined the server. 2/12/2022 6:46 PM

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dr.

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tux-linux

Hello!

Hello

6:50 PM

so I have my professor's kobo which is not booting up, I tried flashing the original firmware (.img) file I got on mobilereads but it still doesn't boot up. I tried logging serial messages here they are. Loading Kernel Image ... OK OK Starting kernel ... Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel (edited)

hardware brick?

6:51 PM

https://discord.gg/FNjKj6vQ as well

Yes, this is a more appropriate place

Now after searching I came across your project. Now I would like to port this firmware to AURA HD

But we can continue here too

6:51 PM

oh

6:51 PM

Model number?

ah

dill

hardware brick?

umm that device was sitting for a while and now it's not booting up

oh, got it

tux-linux

Model number?

N204B

It should be possible

Aura HD? · Issue #2 · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

Hello, Sorry if this is obvious, but any chance for the Aura HD? Love the software, it looks really good. I think there are a lot of these Kobos that could be repurposed with what you've wr...

dr.

so I have my professor's kobo which is not booting up, I tried flashing the original firmware (.img) file I got on mobilereads but it still doesn't boot up. I tried logging serial messages here they are. Loading Kernel Image ... OK OK Starting kernel ... Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel (edited)

what OS did you use?

dill

what OS did you use?

Windows

1

6:52 PM

is that a problem?

nope! just curious

I tried win32diskimager

try balenaEtcher

but the device is communicating

6:53 PM

I have one question, If this doesn't work, can we port a firmware and try that?

dr.

Windows

For porting InkBox it is highly recommended to have a Linux computer/install (edited)

dill

try balenaEtcher

sure doing it riht away.

tux-linux

For porting InkBox it is highly recommended to have a Linux computer/install (edited)

I have it man

dr.

I have one question, If this doesn't work, can we port a firmware and try that?

sure

I'm into the hardware hacking side

The boot logs clearly show this isn't an hard brick

dr.

but the device is communicating

oh, hm. you could also see if the screen is broken. is the light just continuously flashing?

in ebooks kindles mostly

dill

oh, hm. you could also see if the screen is broken. is the light just continuously flashing?

screen is not broken

alright

I'll send the full logs just a sec

1

dr.

in ebooks kindles mostly

What do you do with them?

can I screen share?

yes But a copy-paste of the log would be better

6:55 PM

For later consultation

tux-linux

What do you do with them?

I downgraded them and then jailbroke them

6:55 PM

sure

dr.

I downgraded them and then jailbroke them

So you have some Linux knowledge I guess

6:55 PM

which is good

U-Boot 2009.08-dirty-svn ( 3月 01 2013 - 11:22:42) CPU: Freescale i.MX50 family 1.1V at 800 MHz mx50 pll1: 800MHz mx50 pll2: 400MHz mx50 pll3: 216MHz ipg clock : 66666666Hz ipg per clock : 66666666Hz uart clock : 24000000Hz ahb clock : 133333333Hz axi_a clock : 400000000Hz axi_b clock : 200000000Hz weim_clock : 100000000Hz ddr clock : 200000000Hz esdhc1 clock : 80000000Hz esdhc2 clock : 80000000Hz esdhc3 clock : 80000000Hz esdhc4 clock : 80000000Hz Board: MX50 RDP board Boot Reason: [POR] Boot Device: SD I2C: ready DRAM: 512 MB MMC: FSL_ESDHC: 0, FSL_ESDHC: 1, FSL_ESDHC: 2 In: serial Out: serial Err: serial [_get_sd_number] g_sd_number:2 MMC read: dev # 2, block # 1023, count 1 partition # 0 ... 1 blocks read: OK MMC read: dev # 2, block # 1024, count 1 partition # 0 ... 1 blocks read: OK ram p=70000000,size=536870912 MMC read: dev # 2, block # 18431, count 1 partition # 0 ... 1 blocks read: OK no "logo" bin header

6:55 PM

MMC read: dev # 2, block # 14335, count 1 partition # 0 ... 1 blocks read: OK MMC read: dev # 2, block # 14336, count 2229 partition # 0 ... 2229 blocks read: OK Kernel RAM visiable size=510M->510M init TPS65185 power ... Relock PLL1 to 1GHz ... mx50 pll1: 1000MHz mx50 pll2: 400MHz mx50 pll3: 216MHz ipg clock : 66666666Hz ipg per clock : 66666666Hz uart clock : 24000000Hz ahb clock : 133333333Hz axia clock : 400000000Hz axi_b clock : 200000000Hz weim_clock : 100000000Hz ddr clock : 200000000Hz esdhc1 clock : 80000000Hz esdhc2 clock : 80000000Hz esdhc3 clock : 80000000Hz esdhc4 clock : 80000000Hz Hit any key to stop autoboot: 0 MMC read: dev # 2, block # 2047, count 1 partition # 0 ... 1 blocks read: OK no kernel image signature ! MMC read: dev # 2, block # 2048, count 8192 partition # 0 ... 8192 blocks read: OK
Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 70800000 ...
Image Name: r6427#1027 Mar 28 15:02:51 Created: 2013-03-28 7:02:55 UTC Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed) Data Size: 1934696 Bytes = 1.8 MB Load Address: 70008000 Entry Point: 70008000 Loading Kernel Image ... OK OK Starting kernel ... Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.

6:55 PM

It's stuck after that and light goes out

tux-linux

So you have some Linux knowledge I guess

umm Yeah I used it for couple of years

6:56 PM

I work as a Hardware Design Engineer

nickel problem i guess? reflashing with etcher would be better, just to be sure. nickel shouldn't have a problem but it's always possible (edited)

Kernel problem

and I am an Electronics and Telecommunication Engineer

cool

ah

tux-linux

Kernel problem

Yeah I also think the same

6:57 PM

I have one more question

6:57 PM

should I format the sd card before flashing?

6:57 PM

and if yes then how

no

btw what's nickle

You just flash it

tux-linux

no

okay

It overwrites the entire card

because it caused errors before if I tried without formatting (edited)

nickel is the stock firmware

okayy

Did you take the right image for the Aura HD? Not for any other model?

tux-linux

Did you take the right image for the Aura HD? Not for any other model?

yeah I requested from mobilereads

6:58 PM

do you have one which you can give?

link thread please?

no

dill

link thread please?

davidfor personal message

6:59 PM

no thread

6:59 PM

I have one

6:59 PM

just a sec

6:59 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311374

Kobo Aura HD(Edition 1) SD Image - MobileRead Forums

Kobo Aura HD(Edition 1) SD Image Kobo Developer's Corner

hmm

ok Possibilities then are probably corrupted SD card

7:00 PM

or permanent hardware damage somehow

tux-linux

ok Possibilities then are probably corrupted SD card

I tried a different sd card too

then something's really wrong

tux-linux

or permanent hardware damage somehow

I don't see any and I cleaned is

how old is the kobo

I think flashing issue

dill

how old is the kobo

2013

dill

how old is the kobo

2014 model I guess

perhaps. tried different computer?

It was sitting for many years

oh

If it doesn't work I'll try flashing in ubuntu

7:01 PM

yeah but battery is full

7:01 PM

I checked the voltage

7:01 PM

after charging

Well U-Boot works So something worked

7:02 PM

Strange that the kernel doesn't start

yeah

or corrupt download?

earlier it used to get stuck at "Starting kernel ... Uncompressing Linux... uncompression error"

oh

dr.

earlier it used to get stuck at "Starting kernel ... Uncompressing Linux... uncompression error"

before the flash

7:03 PM

like just when I got it and plugged in usb

dill

or corrupt download?

I'll try downloading again

7:04 PM

currently I am flashing with etcher

1

7:04 PM

btw which time zone are you from?

MST

EST

and you?

IST, GMT +5:30

7:05 PM

India

Cool

oh, nice

You're the first that is coming from India on this server I think

ohh

yep

I'll be moving to canada this fall

We have people from UK, Germany, Canada, France, New Zealand and probably more

7:06 PM

Nice

for MEng Electrical and Computer Engineering

I'm in Canada

oh, nice! both me and tux are canadian

tux-linux

I'm in Canada

Wow

Quebec

dr.

India

i have pakistani heritage tho

I got admit into uOttawa

dill

i have pakistani heritage tho

Wow

very cool

Wow

nice!!

so I already made some Canadian connections

yep

Would love to meet you guys...........sometime soon

maybe sometime this summer (but we got to get to know you more before!) (edited)

7:07 PM

idk

umm this summer I'll be in india

7:08 PM

I'll come in August earliest

ah

ottawa is near the border

7:10 PM

so let's assume I have a corrupt firmware, but hardware is perfectly fine. Can i still port inkbox to it without a working device to test it while flashing

tux-linux

maybe sometime this summer (but we got to get to know you more before!) (edited)

that's the main thing

yep

7:10 PM

alright; bye!

thanks man!

7:11 PM

btw what do you do

I'm an high-school student

wow

I work on InkBox on spare time

you're pretty good then

7:11 PM

here I am a grad student now

dr.

so let's assume I have a corrupt firmware, but hardware is perfectly fine. Can i still port inkbox to it without a working device to test it while flashing

probably

7:11 PM

cool

thanks man

1

tux-linux

I'm an high-school student

same i guess

7:12 PM

junior high

okayy

no etcher didin't work out

it is really strange then

yeah it is

7:22 PM

This seems alright

any suggestions ?

7:23 PM

after this device turns off

7:23 PM

light goes out

it turns off?

7:23 PM

hmm

white light

7:23 PM

display never comes

7:27 PM

unrelated

okayy

how much time it'll take to port?

A couple of days

7:37 PM

Well, I mean, I'm not available all the time

umm

tux-linux

Well, I mean, I'm not available all the time

yeah i get it

And I'm currently trying to port it to three other devices at the same time, so...... ;p

XD

7:37 PM

is this device one of those?

not even

aggh, my bad luck

Well, it'll get ported at some point

7:40 PM

hopefully

I'll do it

I'll create a thread in #porting

just need your guidance

dr.

I'll do it

You can look at the Libra H2O thread to see how much work it is

sure

7:44 PM

looks like a lot of work but i'm ready

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Hello, Im French, very good project, I Hope participate for porting the Libra H2O and the goal is to use Notions on my Kobo

It has already been ported, but you need to install it manually. Check out the Libra porting thread for details and feel free to ask questions! BTW I speak French too

Here https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/934478064539295815/934478430903337020

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Szybet joined the server. 2/17/2022 12:12 AM

Well, bonjour

Salut!

3:34 AM

J'ai vu ton ticket sur GitHub, c'est cool comme idée ! I saw your issue on GitHub, it's a nice idea!

oui

4:52 AM

le kobo nia a un SD card

4:52 AM

afaik

dill

le kobo nia a un SD card

La Kobo Nia a une carte microSD

sorry ;p

4:53 AM

my french is very broken

i see

yes, despite having learned it since grade 1

tux-linux

ok I might try it on my Glo HD, since it's already half-destroyed, so it won't bother me if it breaks ;p

Exactly one year ago... This brings back so much memories... (and I have come such a long way) This was basically the catalyst that led to InkBox (edited)

Welp, GitHub is now suggesting me my own repository... (edited)

Yeah, it's been suggesting fbink to me for the past week or so o_O

1

tux-linux

Exactly one year ago... This brings back so much memories... (and I have come such a long way) This was basically the catalyst that led to InkBox (edited)

kobo devices are cool becouse they cant be bricked by software

1:07 PM

everything is on the sd card

Depends on which device you're talking about...

which device are not like that?

1:08 PM

the kobo works in that way

Libra, Forma, Touch A, Aura One, Aura N514 just to name a few

really? thats not good :(

1:09 PM

which are like the kobo nia? (edited)

What's "the Kobo"?

em kobo nia

All targets officially supported be InkBox + other ones

https://external-preview.redd.it/xUjUwuSxQRiK3nqJXXJ674MtZ5U0q52cQuQp9fJXOYQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=f3147706d7801e8ae253a9eaec7aa54e4f2edf39 now i see, soldered storage

This doesn't mean there are no recovery possibilities

1:12 PM

You can trigger download mode within U-Boot or hope it will come up if your wipe the eMMC

u-boot is on the storage too

1:12 PM

so if we need to update u-boot and it would't work it would be bricked

Yep!

not good

Ikr

installing inkbox works by flashing the sd card, but how much storage is the sd card?

Maybe you can short eMMC contacts to trigger download mode too (Would need @andi opinion on that) (edited)

Szybet

installing inkbox works by flashing the sd card, but how much storage is the sd card?

All

the file has 8Gb, but my kobo nia sd card is 16 Gb

1:14 PM

so i dont think so

Standard InkBox images are for 4G cards

is it easy to resize it?

Yeah, it's not like Nickel but it's easy

1:16 PM

The onboard storage lives in p4/onboard and is a disk image

1:17 PM

Maybe you can install the emulator, you'll have a better idea

tux-linux

Yeah, it's not like Nickel but it's easy

good

1:20 PM

how looks installing a new kernel, like 5.*? is it even possible?

The emulator uses 5.15.10

for the kobo

1:20 PM

psyhical device (edited)

But standard devices need vendor kernel or a manually ported mainline kernel

manually, so only generating the config?

Nothing has been done yet for the Clara

Szybet

manually, so only generating the config?

Much, much, much more than that

not good :(

Creating a DTS, matching the config, adapting the display driver, etc.

DTS?

1:22 PM

i think point 2 and 3 could be done

Device Tree Source

1:23 PM

You can ask @andi , he knows a lot more about it than me

The primary purpose of Device Tree in Linux is to provide a way to describe non-discoverable hardware. This information was previously hard coded in source code.

1:24 PM

could't this be done using the old kernel?

1:24 PM

there isin't new hardware on it

Yes Vendor kernel has one but maybe it won't work with the newer one

1:24 PM

Is your Kobo on 4.1.15?

there isin't backwards compability?

tux-linux

Is your Kobo on 4.1.15?

yes it is

1:25 PM

and i think there is a bug the usb driver, thats why i want to update

That's not too bad To give you an idea, some supported InkBox devices run on 2.6.35.3

Szybet

and i think there is a bug the usb driver, thats why i want to update

Patching vendor kernel would probably be easier

tux-linux

Patching vendor kernel would probably be easier

you mean applying git patches?

Well, modifying the code

that does not sound easy

I did this on the Glo HD to make touch input behave

Szybet

that does not sound easy

Then porting mainline yourself is probably the worst nightmare you can have

i also modified some code that i could compile the kernel

tux-linux

Then porting mainline yourself is probably the worst nightmare you can have

well...

1:28 PM

where do i look for patches?

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/2139b799d73e6ed0d25b0fd77ac1d7292a613a60

N437: Improve touch input handling · Kobo-InkBox/kernel@2139b79

It's not perfect, it OOPS fairly often (when restarting QPA), but it is indeed better!

1:28 PM

For example

tux-linux

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/2139b799d73e6ed0d25b0fd77ac1d7292a613a60

its complicated

Well, the whole file is shit

1:29 PM

So I tried to clean it up a bit

1:30 PM

Usually Kobo vendor kernel code is not good, full of bugs with lots of pain ahead when you'll try to understand what something does

:/

1:31 PM

where do i look for patches? googling https://www.google.com/search?q=chipidea+usb+controller+patch+kernel+4.15.1+linux does not work

Maybe you can search through commit history

tux-linux

Maybe you can search through commit history

thats pain

1:32 PM

the linux kernel is huge

Well if Google doesn't have any results

Szybet

the linux kernel is huge

If you filter "chipidea", pretty sure you'll get meaningful results

i will try it

1

Maybe you can read Wiki page about InkBox too if you want to learn more on how it works: http://inkbox.ddns.net:40/wiki/index.php?title=General_information

General information

oh nice, it didt worked yeasterday

We had some internet issues at home, resolved now

tux-linux

We had some internet issues at home, resolved now

I can't access to the wiki, maybe mirror-it somewhere will be a good idea ?

You can't??

i can

6:36 PM

but mirroring isin't a bad idea

6:36 PM

maybe github pages?

hmm

you have already a mirror on github

The thing will be to set up syncing between them

my bad, i was trying in HTTPS ...

6:37 PM

sorry for my bad English ...

ah good then

tux-linux

The thing will be to set up syncing between them

once a day copy files?

mediawiki is more like a whole database to deal with...

vpuedro

sorry for my bad English ...

welcome to the bad english club

1

tux-linux

mediawiki is more like a whole database to deal with...

i think that someone actually made a way to mirror it

nia?

Wrong chat, sorry

11:31 PM

but yes, its nia

well... its something :p

we are fighting the whole day with it

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Nice!!

11:46 PM

not this chat one more time...

Coming up in 1.9...

3

Thanks to this script, some StackExchange help and htmldoc: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/usr/local/bin/generate_system_report.sh (edited)

5:33 AM

Sample PDF from my Glo HD

sysreport.pdf

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Hi @tux-linux

Can we imagine a version of the kernel for Raspberry devices ? (edited)

That's an interesting question. I'm already trying to port it to sunxi hardware (Banana Pi M2 Zero), but things don't work out very nicely. Maybe a Raspberry Pi Zero with some Waveshare eink display could be possible...

tux-linux

The Glo HD was $20

Was it really that cheap? used one? i bought the kobo nia for 121$...

20$ seems very cheap! I bought a kobo libra h2o for 180€ at FNAC

1:23 AM

(FNAC is an official reseller of Kobo, they sell Kobo with custom firmware : the sleep screen is the logo of the brand) (edited)

tux-linux

That's an interesting question. I'm already trying to port it to sunxi hardware (Banana Pi M2 Zero), but things don't work out very nicely. Maybe a Raspberry Pi Zero with some Waveshare eink display could be possible...

I have starting something, some news in few days!

1

vpuedro

(FNAC is an official reseller of Kobo, they sell Kobo with custom firmware : the sleep screen is the logo of the brand) (edited)

what else is on the custom firmware

Szybet

Was it really that cheap? used one? i bought the kobo nia for 121$...

Yes, it was really a lot of luck

There's now an InkBox OS emulator Live system! http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/emulator/inkboxos_emulator.iso User is user and password is user Once you get to the root prompt, start a new shell with CTRL+SHIFT+T in gnome-terminal, then do while true; do vncviewer 127.0.0.1:5901; sleep 1; done and it should come up after some minutes! @rsjn, you said it had to be easy, I guess it is easy enough now? ;p (edited)

2

ooooh! I've been looking to replace nickel, tbh. I want progress sync across my devices

1

2:27 AM

also, my nickel db always gets corrupted, very frustrating

Which one looks better? Top is with U001 (Univers open-source clone, thanks URW) and bottom is default typeface in InkBox (Inter) (edited)

12:32 AM

Same thing again with different view

IMO, Univers looks much better in some parts of InkBox than Inter

1

yes!!

2

12:21 PM

Those Arrows are not touch friendly (edited)

12:25 PM

BTW, those are height and width, no one will use the arrows, jest delete them and make it a keyboard input

It's quite difficult to make a keyboard input there

1:28 PM

But thanks for the review anyway

1:28 PM

At the same time, that's not something the user is going to change very often

1:28 PM

(If he ever needs to change it)

It Hurst my eyes :p

InkBox has a new cleaner and neater website organization:

Now HTTPS is everywhere
Home page is at https://inkbox.ddns.net
You can access the local GitLab instance at https://inkbox.ddns.net/git
You can access the Wiki at https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki

(edited)

1

nice, finally

3:17 PM

wrong chat...

nice

Exactly one year ago today, InkBox OS was born. @OfficerAction fixed touch input issues for the Mini in the platform plugin and thus I started building an entire operating system for the device. Quite a lot of memories...

2

tux-linux

IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS

Hehe

tux-linux

@dill now it works on the Mini thanks to @OfficerAction who did some magic tricks with the platform plugin code

yep :P

How is the propability to port inkbox to other ereaders, when a custom linux kernel boots, fbink works ,then it shouldnt be a big problem?

No, you're right

3:32 PM

Porting to old Kindles would be possible, I just don't have any prior to the PW3 (which serial port is kind of broken). (edited)

if a device is not brickable ( like kobos with sd cards ) then there is a green light for it (edited)

Old Kindles can be put in manufacturing mode (i.e., download mode) by pressing a combination of keys at boot

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Basic_diagnostics_kernel Wrote a bit of documentation on the BDK! (edited)

Basic diagnostics kernel

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1:48 PM

Weird nick

sfdsafddfad

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sorry, i just mash a bunch of random letters when joining discord. just stopped by to say thanks for developing inkbox and i'm new to ereaders and am looking for something linux friendly. this project caught my eye. trying to figure out which kobo to get...looking at a Clara HD. i see the port is in progress for this device.

well, maybe you'd be better to get one that is already ported a Glo HD would be better (thanks for the review!) (edited)

1 has clara hd a sd card as storage? 2 progress doesn't mean it will ever be done

We don't know if the Clara HD has some issues similar to the Libra and the Nia, which makes the UI unstable at times

tux-linux

well, maybe you'd be better to get one that is already ported a Glo HD would be better (thanks for the review!) (edited)

And a Glo HD is basically a Clara HD but from 2015

4:11 PM

Same screen ppi, same amount of RAM, and similar CPU

4:12 PM

The official image has not been released yet (it will be when 1.9 is) but porting is fully completed for that device

Szybet

1 has clara hd a sd card as storage? 2 progress doesn't mean it will ever be done

1. Yes 2. We'll see...

thanks for the advice. i'm really just one day into looking at these devices. i've been partial to real paper books but humble bundle has 31 boss fight ebooks for $18 and i can't turn that down

1

AFAIK, the Clara EPDC quirks are less severe, in that they're mostly limited to rota 0 @ 8bpp, and that's not Portrait on that device

4:46 PM

A Glo HD is NOT like a Clara at all. Completely different SoC & screen

4:46 PM

The only similarity is the form factor

NiLuJe

A Glo HD is NOT like a Clara at all. Completely different SoC & screen

Well, I knew about the SoC, but ok, I thought the screen was the same

(edited)

5:05 PM

In practice though, they are quite similar

NiLuJe

AFAIK, the Clara EPDC quirks are less severe, in that they're mostly limited to rota 0 @ 8bpp, and that's not Portrait on that device

Yeah, but I'm dreading an UI freeze bug like what happened to the Libra this summer (the QPA would randomly stop printing to the FB for no reason), and it seems to happen on the Nia, so I don't have much hope for the Clara...

Wait, the Nia is an actual real device that people actually bought?

5:10 PM

I've seen like, 2 users since it was released

Check out #deleted-channel

5:16 PM

;p

well, im one of them

5:22 PM

5:23 PM

this freeze its not the same that on libra, maybe sokmething diffrent

5:24 PM

and i have been using the nia at home for 2 hours now, no freeze

5:24 PM

diffrent books, anything

5:24 PM

the only diffrence is i dont launch apps, like the paint one

5:24 PM

so we will se

Szybet

and i have been using the nia at home for 2 hours now, no freeze

Awesome

The Libra issues were indeed different (the WAIT_FOR ioctl just timing our for no apparent reason).

5:32 PM

The EPDC hangs are another matter (check dmesg, it's usually shouting about something at one point).

5:33 PM

And then some devices just hang, period, on top of that ^^

I think FBInk complains about not being able to trigger a refresh (operation not permitted)

Quick successions of refreshes are usually a great way to kill affected kernels/devices (i.e., FBInk's doom demo, or InkVT); and rota 0 @ 8bpp usually exacerbates those because there's less time spent in C-land. (edited)

i saw that the nia has some gpio pins, maybe they are related? maybe the gpio pins controll the e-ink in some way on the libra?

NiLuJe

Quick successions of refreshes are usually a great way to kill affected kernels/devices (i.e., FBInk's doom demo, or InkVT); and rota 0 @ 8bpp usually exacerbates those because there's less time spent in C-land. (edited)

Well, sometimes I was reading a book page, no moving content on the screen and then I wanted to click next and it had hung

Since you can both run custom kernels, I'd recommend trying verbose builds w/ the verbose EPDC logging enabled, that might shed some more light on this (edited)

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5:35 PM

Unless it's like sunxi where enabling verbose logging basically murders the EPDC

(edited)

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NiLuJe

Quick successions of refreshes are usually a great way to kill affected kernels/devices (i.e., FBInk's doom demo, or InkVT); and rota 0 @ 8bpp usually exacerbates those because there's less time spent in C-land. (edited)

InkVT actually works well on the Libra with InkBox

5:36 PM

It doesn't seem to trigger the kernel bug

I don't think I've heard of hangs on the Libra (1, the 2 is a crash-fest, apparently)

5:36 PM

Just the wait_for timeouts

hmm

EPERM is unfortunately what happens when the ioctl handler returns -1, a.k.a. '"we were too lazy to implement meaningful return codes on error" ^^

5:39 PM

(Usually because that's a very early return) (edited)

That's fun

5:41 PM

I'm thinking that with the Clara HD and 5.16 kernel we might have some luck

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create a proper account with an email, and not this (edited)

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or tux-linux will need to turn on higher server protection

hi, sure. it's done. let me see if i can delete the other accounts. be right back.

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@tux-linux what is your qt setup ( toolchain, etc )? you linked https://github.com/Rain92/kobo-qt-setup-scripts and it will propably work, but if not I ask now

11:19 PM

also https://github.com/baskerville/plato has his own implementation for writing to the e-ink. wow

Szybet

@tux-linux what is your qt setup ( toolchain, etc )? you linked https://github.com/Rain92/kobo-qt-setup-scripts and it will propably work, but if not I ask now

koxtoolchain + manually built Qt cross-compilation setup

manually oh no

at the time there were no qt setup scripts

i understand

How precise is touch on ereaders?

12:26 PM

I mean, using it as graphic tablet?

just... no

1:40 PM

have you tried scribble on your nia?

I mean, not showing it on the screen but on the PC using some software (edited)

2:13 PM

Also, scribble is slow. Paint in plato is Fast, its instant

Scribble is a demo Qt app

6:38 PM

I just thought it was cool to include it in InkBox

sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/tgz749/open_distros_for_ereaders/

r/linux - Open distros for e-readers?

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hmm i saw this now: https://github.com/tux-linux/nickelboot wouldn't be better to just make koreader and plato work in inkbox?

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...why why do you want to do this Just why

about what are you talking about

Make KOReader and Plato work in InkBox

it makes more sense that making nickel dualboot

It is not the purpose of InkBox

tux-linux

...why why do you want to do this Just why

i dont want, just a better idea

tux-linux

It is not the purpose of InkBox

dualbooting isin't too

The only devices where you can dual boot Nickel and InkBox are the eMMC ones; for a reason, since flashing the entire Nickel firmware back vs swapping out the microSD card is not very practical

9:26 PM

And most people won't try InkBox if they can't go back easily afterwards

9:26 PM

Which, on standard devices, you can

Oh, eMMC devices, okay

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Why i cant assign labels on github

10:30 AM

Or is it becouse github on android

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Hi, I Just íntalled inkbox on my kobo mini

8:10 AM

But it can’t open a book because of screen size. I’m on version 1.6

That's another reason to remove the file chooser

8:50 AM

You can still open books with searching the name

8:53 AM

Let's wait for @tux-linux

You can also click 2 times on the book file

9:10 AM

The current version is 1.8 I think?

Yeah, double click

2:44 PM

But you should really install 1.8

LinhCa

But it can’t open a book because of screen size. I’m on version 1.6

Double tap the book

It still needs to be improved, this file chooser (edited)

@everyone InkBox officially turns one year today (i.e., the release date of v1.0 on GH)!

(edited)

:D

11:44 PM

New Reversi/Othello game in InkBox

5:07 AM

(From this fork: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/QReversi)

Nice

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3:34 PM

this is why inkbox is better than koreader / plato

3:34 PM

any qt programs will work and can be ported easlly

3:34 PM

maybe chess to?

It can work but I haven't found one with an AI that does

something like pbchess?

pbchess is not open source

7:51 PM

but yeah

Also, a nice way now to know what the error code means

maybe... just write the error message?

8:46 PM

"rootfs signature failed" for example

The font is very huge Even such a message would take up the entire screen

8:47 PM

Also, the wiki page will include detailed explanations

well, okay

Done now: https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_error_codes

Boot error codes

Fix: None available. ummm maybe reboot it twice

yeah, too

10:50 PM

i'll add it

tux-linux

New Reversi/Othello game in InkBox

To everyone, if somehow you happen to stumble on a simple game like this on GH that:

Is written in C++ w/Qt (no QML);
Is not written in PyQt/PySide2 (Qt bindings for Python);
Does not have external dependencies;
Does not seem to be too much hassle to build;

please put your suggestions in this channel! (edited)

maybe a terminal written in QT + keyboard? i cant use the one built in without xorg

maybe, but I think most of them use QML, which IIRC isn't something we have here on Kobos

https://github.com/ohwgiles/quilte

GitHub - ohwgiles/quilte: Lightweight Qt Terminal Emulator

Lightweight Qt Terminal Emulator. Contribute to ohwgiles/quilte development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:59 PM

example one

10:59 PM

but i dont think thats a good idea, its an old one and unsupported

hmm, but where's the virtual keyboard?

11:00 PM

;p

good question ;p

maybe something based on qtermwidget

11:01 PM

or maybe you can write something in Rust

tux-linux

or maybe you can write something in Rust

I think writting it in qt would be better for porting it later to other devices

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11:02 PM

for now i want to finish sanki

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https://github.com/jvaelen/2048 this is awesome but would need a virtual keyboard maybe just virtual arrow keys could do

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yes, it is

also, eink-friendly, no animations

sliding would't work?

no

why

well, it doesn't now

11:07 PM

qgestures is a complicated world

well okay

Szybet

for now i want to finish sanki

:D

tux-linux

To everyone, if somehow you happen to stumble on a simple game like this on GH that:

Is written in C++ w/Qt (no QML);
Is not written in PyQt/PySide2 (Qt bindings for Python);
Does not have external dependencies;
Does not seem to be too much hassle to build;

please put your suggestions in this channel! (edited)

we have a few games that aren't qt but work on eink

11:15 PM

minesweeper, simon tatham puzzles, wordle, donsol

hmm Well, the goal is to have them well integrated, like reversi in qt

integrated into your single qt app?

well, qt is ideal since I don't have to change libs, I can keep the same environment

I'll think some more, I have seen a qt crossword for eink

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tux-linux

well, qt is ideal since I don't have to change libs, I can keep the same environment

not sure what you mean

11:17 PM

for building? or for running?

11:18 PM

how do you switch between apps?

well, InkBox launches another qt executable, and when this executable quits, it relaunches InkBox

yeah, the env for those apps is easy to build

11:39 PM

only supported on Kobo Clara and Libra, currently

hmm

11:39 PM

i'll see

11:39 PM

thanks for the idea

done

12:28 AM

12:29 AM

that's nice

Exit button please

done

12:45 AM

now it looks like this

12:45 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/2048

doesn't fingerterm fit the bill? (IIRC, that's what the rM peeps are using). (Unless the UI is in QML?)

hmm, yeah. QML is there.

12:56 AM

thanks for the suggestion though

whats wrong with qml?

12:59 AM

it requires a different qt license?

no, well, I think it isn't available on the libs that inkbox ship with

1:01 AM

or it isn't working

1:03 AM

yeah

isn't it a plugin to enable?

1:27 AM

qt-widgets or something

well, it should be in the modules

1:33 AM

but it seems it isn't

1:34 AM

Though, there seem to be QML libs

1:37 AM

strange; I installed qt5-qtdeclarative-devel on Fedora and now it doesn't show that error

awesome - new error or it works?

../fingerterm-reMarkable/textrender.cpp:21:10: fatal error: epframebuffer.h: No such file or directory
   21 | #include <epframebuffer.h>
      |          ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1:41 AM

a clue on this @NiLuJe ?

epframebuffer is remarkable's library that calls into mxcfb

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1:48 AM

you need epframebuffer.h and the .so or .a file

1:49 AM

or you can write your own backend / port it using niluje's libraries

1:49 AM

if you are looking at terminal emulators, fingerterm is slow, iirc. it doesn't use DU. yaft does, though

1:50 AM

https://github.com/uobikiemukot/yaft (but you also need to write a backend for it)

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Or just plug it into our QPA and make sure it's using DU wherever possible

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yeh, that makes sense

The DU bit is easier said than done, since you need to make sure everything involved is pure B&W

yaft supports it

2:01 AM

at least, timower's port of yaft supports DU on rM

rsjn

if you are looking at terminal emulators, fingerterm is slow, iirc. it doesn't use DU. yaft does, though

Maybe I could just reuse InkVT

tux-linux

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looking great!!

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rsjn

minesweeper, simon tatham puzzles, wordle, donsol

Wordle the best

yeah

6:35 PM

wordle on inkbox, great idea though

I can send prebuilt binary for you to test with or you can implement from scratch

tux-linux

pbchess is not open source

Actually, it seems that there's some source code available here: https://bitbucket.org/vlasovsoft/free/src/master/

Bitbucket

IIRC, mostly the QPA

2:01 AM

Which is not the QPA you're used to ;p.

NiLuJe

Which is not the QPA you're used to ;p.

because...?

NiLuJe

IIRC, mostly the QPA

There seem to be some apps there, as well as the chess engines in other repos

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https://us.kobobooks.com/products/kobo-nia-sleepcover how do these cases avoid that the magnet doesn't trigger the sensor when the its fully open ( the "flap" is on the back )? i can't figure this out

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Well, the magnet only faces one side, right?

you mean?

You never used fridge magnets?

11:22 PM

They are only attractive one one side

tux-linux

You never used fridge magnets?

i have never used english a lot

tux-linux

They are only attractive one one side

this is not how a hal sensor works, it works on both sides

11:23 PM

it doest that on the nia

i'm not talking about the hall sensor

11:24 PM

I'm talking about the magnet itself

i know, but the hal sensor is triggered by north and south

yes, but maybe the magnet is isolated on one side

like what isolated?

if you put magnet stickers on your fridge, it adheres only one one side, right?

11:27 PM

i think it's what's happening here

Szybet

i know, but the hal sensor is triggered by north and south

here

hmm

if i turn the magnet its still triggering it

oh, you have the case?

even if i turn the magnet 90 degrees it still does it

it triggers KEY_F1 anyway?

tux-linux

oh, you have the case?

i want have made my own

tux-linux

it triggers KEY_F1 anyway?

yes, here is the problem

maybe the case blocks enough of the magnetic field so it works only on one side

its not thick, i doubt it

i don't know

Szybet

yes, here is the problem

well, does it trigger any other thing if it's on the other side? (evtest /dev/input/event0 if it says it's busy, killall evtest but you'll probably need to restart to get sleep working again)

only

Event: time 1649026327.175692, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 1649026327.565631, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 59 (KEY_F1), value 1
Event: time 1649026327.565631, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------
Event: time 1649026327.795633, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 59 (KEY_F1), value 0
Event: time 1649026327.795633, -------------- SYN_REPORT ------------

11:35 PM

value 1 is when it detects, 0 when i move the magnet away

then i don't know (edited)

soo can i redesign it for the kobo nia as a setting option that it will:

its sleeping
value 0 detected
value 1 ( its on the back )
value 0 detected
value 1 detected, the sleep cover is back on the top go to sleep now this software mod is the only thing i can think of that would work

well, can you test the official case before that?

11:39 PM

people are not likely to build their own cases

its 1/4 the price od the kobo nia, no way ;p

maybe look up doc online about how to build a case?

11:40 PM

like for an ipad, i guess

tux-linux

people are not likely to build their own cases

1. 3D printing is very popular these days 2. Support for custom cases, which will take up ~2Kb of script code is bad?

will it work for normal cases too?

normal you mean the official one? idk we need a guy with that case

well, until we have a guy with that case i won't merge it

11:42 PM

you're welcome to make changes though

maybe we can ask the second person that is using the kobo nia ;p

is there one here?

tux-linux

well, until we have a guy with that case i won't merge it

it won't be the default, it will be an if in the script, some code and a config file with false in it :/ i really doesn't want to fork inkbox

didn't you already fork the rootfs?

11:44 PM

oh

11:44 PM

ok

+ another thing i would want to add are cpu freq goversors, it works ok on the kobo nia, the same thing with an if and condfig file somewhere

tux-linux

didn't you already fork the rootfs?

only for making a pull request

anyway, this will be for 2.0, I think it will be a LOT of cleanup work to do, either for sleep, Reader engine, UI, file chooser, internals, etc.

11:45 PM

eta july 2022 ;p

11:45 PM

so we have time

for me its important that it will be in the repo, i make the rootfs itself, the gui bundle in the future too

well there's already a generation script, it's reproducible, on GH: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/gui-bundle you just need to set up a dev environment

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i know about it

11:48 PM

also, wouldn't you want a cover with inkbox logo / text on it ;p?

11:48 PM

this would be great for the community

you need to specify the location of your build folders named (or symlinked) build_inkbox, build_oobe-inkbox, etc. and it produces it for you

Szybet

this would be great for the community

everyone can 3d print it

Szybet

also, wouldn't you want a cover with inkbox logo / text on it ;p?

my main goal is to actually get a raspberry pi or banana pi with eink screen running inkbox then sell it (charge only for hardware + small profit so I can keep motivated) (edited)

hmm... aren't the available e-inks for those devices to low-res?

tux-linux

my main goal is to actually get a raspberry pi or banana pi with eink screen running inkbox then sell it (charge only for hardware + small profit so I can keep motivated) (edited)

A complete port for the Banana Pi M2 Zero is already there and working, the only thing missing is the eInk screen But you can interact with the UI via VNC

Szybet

hmm... aren't the available e-inks for those devices to low-res?

they are very expensive

yea...

Like, $70US for a 300ppi 6inch screen

11:51 PM

I haven't even got the money to buy one for myself and testing

the kobo nia is 90$...

the PCBs are not that expensive I think

11:52 PM

the Banana Pi is like $30 base cost without shipping

11:52 PM

and 3D printing the shell is probably like $2-3

tux-linux

and 3D printing the shell is probably like $2-3

1.5$ i think. 3d printing is cheap

11:53 PM

maybe a patreon / donations would be better for you

i already have liberapay + paypal set up

a manufacturer that puts inkbox as the default would be a dream

tux-linux

i already have liberapay + paypal set up

well for now too less people know about inkbox + its not ready. the average person will like to stay with koreader / plato

some people make donations, sometimes very high amounts, but then they say "for Kobo Aura H2O support", "for x device support", so I want to respect their wishes and don't use the money for something else (like buying a testing eink screen) (edited)

tux-linux

some people make donations, sometimes very high amounts, but then they say "for Kobo Aura H2O support", "for x device support", so I want to respect their wishes and don't use the money for something else (like buying a testing eink screen) (edited)

that makes sense, good

Szybet

well for now too less people know about inkbox + its not ready. the average person will like to stay with koreader / plato

yeah, the fact that it's an entire OS is probably not that nice for them

11:56 PM

but now it would be impossible to uncouple InkBox from InkBox OS

it needs killer features that plato and koreader can't have. kobo nia with audio could be one

tux-linux

but now it would be impossible to uncouple InkBox from InkBox OS

it doesn't make sense

too many things relying on internal features, named pipes (initrd-fifo, ibxd) and it would have like 10% of the features working

Szybet

it doesn't make sense

before it was like that ;p

inkbox gui isin't that good, and the main feature that its open source, tinker friendly

up to inkbox 1.3 I provided Nickel packages

i know

Szybet

inkbox gui isin't that good, and the main feature that its open source, tinker friendly

thanks for destroying my enthusiasm

11:58 PM

anyway

11:59 PM

Well, I think I did a good job with the design at least

tux-linux

thanks for destroying my enthusiasm

um sorry but its honest, it needs some work. Compared to plato it works... bad

tux-linux

Well, I think I did a good job with the design at least

yes

Szybet

um sorry but its honest, it needs some work. Compared to plato it works... bad

but plato doesn't have games for example, its a match of features here

Well, hehe, I haven't done any degree/study in any field of programming, so you get what you get ;p

degree / and study in programming are worth nothing, only experience is

12:00 AM

inkbox is going in a good direction, it needs time

12:01 AM

BTW for the kobo nia on inkbox the memory for books is 14.1Gb and on nickel 8Gb

12:01 AM

its another feature you see

2.0 will probably need a complete overhaul of the reader engine of the entire reader class and a lot more contributors for code review, etc.

Szybet

BTW for the kobo nia on inkbox the memory for books is 14.1Gb and on nickel 8Gb

well maybe actually 10? still more on the same sd card

Szybet

BTW for the kobo nia on inkbox the memory for books is 14.1Gb and on nickel 8Gb

how? inkbox takes more space than nickel

tux-linux

how? inkbox takes more space than nickel

idk

Szybet

degree / and study in programming are worth nothing, only experience is

Well, I mean, it could have helped for basic things like that... https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/commit/f683d70f1ce71aaab93e88a20bf998f3d2fae847

maybe

I was too dumb before to realize that I could just put everyhing in a single var and don't read inkbox_device every time

its still experience i think

tux-linux

2.0 will probably need a complete overhaul of the reader engine of the entire reader class and a lot more contributors for code review, etc.

I'm counting on you to stay around and learn Qt ;p

tux-linux

I'm counting on you to stay around and learn Qt ;p

i'm learning, sanki its on the way (edited)

12:05 AM

but learning qt / cpp is PAIN compared to rust

for me it came very progressively first I had no idea whatever signal/slots were then I spent months trying to figure out how to properly use them then I started to learn what QSomeThing * someThing really does, -> vs ., etc. namespaces, QTimers, etc.

12:08 AM

A bad thing I kind of don't like about Qt is the fact that it reimplements almost all of the C++ standard library So when you get to work with real C++ it's like you don't understand anything No QStrings, no QTimers, no toStdString(), no QString::number()... (edited)

Szybet

but learning qt / cpp is PAIN compared to rust

Yet, I still don't understand people who choose to write in PyQt Like, literally, how to make your program slow

12:12 AM

Also, it would nice to convert settings to an sqlite database but that is also going to be 2.0+

i was trying yestarday to use QDialog. it took me 4 hours to figure its out, lack of documentation and examples ;/

i would create another class with an ui file

12:15 AM

much simpler

tux-linux

A bad thing I kind of don't like about Qt is the fact that it reimplements almost all of the C++ standard library So when you get to work with real C++ it's like you don't understand anything No QStrings, no QTimers, no toStdString(), no QString::number()... (edited)

Qt without gui is very similar to rust, very similar

tux-linux

i would create another class with an ui file

i did it

maybe look in inkbox code?

12:16 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/master/brightnessdialog.cpp That is probably a good example, not too hard to understand

tux-linux

Yet, I still don't understand people who choose to write in PyQt Like, literally, how to make your program slow

Python has it pluses, but yea performance

tux-linux

maybe look in inkbox code?

its hard to find what i look for

what are you looking for? (edited)

I know this, i needed the part when i get the value from the QDialog

tux-linux

what are you looking for? (edited)

i already got it

tux-linux

Yet, I still don't understand people who choose to write in PyQt Like, literally, how to make your program slow

PLS not sql, json is better

then why do you use sql in sanki?

i need to, anki decks use it

maybe json i don't know but I like sql (edited)

i would really want json for it

12:18 AM

but yea i dint't decide it for anki

Szybet

I know this, i needed the part when i get the value from the QDialog

I would use inline variables if you want to get a value from another class

tux-linux

maybe json i don't know but I like sql (edited)

its your decision, i hate it ;p

check https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/master/functions.h, beginning of the file

tux-linux

I would use inline variables if you want to get a value from another class

i dont understand a single word :D

12:19 AM

namespace a new thing for m

basically, you include a common header, you call the variable from a namespace, e.g. global::something and you can get the variable value from any class

12:20 AM

like the global::deviceID variable

what if i need a variable before launching a widget?

12:20 AM

and its not there

what do you mean?

how to explain this... i cant launch a widget where it reads a sql database if i need to choose before it the file

12:22 AM

thats what i used Qdialog in short

connect(dialog, this, SIGNAL(destroyed(QObject*)), SLOT(openSQLDatabase())); (edited)

12:24 AM

Then openSQLDatabase() reads an inline variable (like global::sqlDBPath) when the QDialog is closed/destroyed and after it has set the global::sqlDBPath based on the user selection

12:25 AM

Also, did you dialog->setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); on your dialog? Otherwise it may memory leak

tux-linux

Also, did you dialog->setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); on your dialog? Otherwise it may memory leak

no

Basically, it will delete the class from memory once the dialog is closed

12:26 AM

e.g., when you call this->close()

tux-linux

Then openSQLDatabase() reads an inline variable (like global::sqlDBPath) when the QDialog is closed/destroyed and after it has set the global::sqlDBPath based on the user selection

i did this in a similar way... hmm

tux-linux

Basically, it will delete the class from memory once the dialog is closed

i call ui->accept() i think?

where?

in the cpp file

Also, advice: everything you create and use an object with QSomething * someThing and it uses ->, call something->deleteLater() when you're finished with it otherwise it will memory leak too

Szybet

in the cpp file

...which?

tux-linux

...which?

choosemode.cpp

12:29 AM

modechoose.cpp

12:29 AM

somethink like that

tux-linux

Also, advice: everything you create and use an object with QSomething * someThing and it uses ->, call something->deleteLater() when you're finished with it otherwise it will memory leak too

i think i do this every time

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Szybet

i call ui->accept() i think?

can't see it can you share a link?

https://github.com/Szybet/sanki/blob/4cf6bc400fd3f33907656c0ae91f97a169392f5f/mode_chooser.cpp#L30

sanki/mode_chooser.cpp at 4cf6bc400fd3f33907656c0ae91f97a169392f5f ...

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12:31 AM

its actually done()

oh ok

12:32 AM

you should call this->close() instead

it returns the value to mainwindow

tux-linux

connect(dialog, this, SIGNAL(destroyed(QObject*)), SLOT(openSQLDatabase())); (edited)

And do that

tux-linux

you should call this->close() instead

i want to return the value, and i think close() is called with it

oh yeah ok

12:32 AM

then add this->close separately

tux-linux

And do that

instead if connect i did this: https://github.com/Szybet/sanki/blob/4cf6bc400fd3f33907656c0ae91f97a169392f5f/mainwindow.cpp#L61

sanki/mainwindow.cpp at 4cf6bc400fd3f33907656c0ae91f97a169392f5f · ...

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I guess it is valid too

tux-linux

then add this->close separately

i had it added and then i deleted it, i will add it back

tux-linux

I guess it is valid too

?

i mean, it's ok too i think

12:34 AM

also, in Qt/CPP the 'norm' is to use camelCase, not snake_case for variable/classes names but it's a personal preference

tux-linux

also, in Qt/CPP the 'norm' is to use camelCase, not snake_case for variable/classes names but it's a personal preference

i use it for UI things, i will need to standarise it to one

initially I used snake case in InkBox, but since this summer it's only camel case

has inkbox a logo?

yes

i dont think kobox is it?

no

so what it is?

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox

Kobo-InkBox

Kobo-InkBox has 15 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

i haven't seen it yet

12:37 AM

oh

12:38 AM

okay

Szybet

i haven't seen it yet

it's the boot animation

i though its just the text

It uses Fraunces font available on Google Fonts

12:38 AM

Strangely the n character isn't the same when you type it in an editor and you print it with FBInk on the screen

InkBox in Windows 95 style... ;p

1

Nooo

Yeah I know, it was just missing the stylesheet

@NiLuJe is there something I'm missing here? Whenever I want to put a device to sleep (mk5, mk6, mk7, all of them), even if I echo 1 > /sys/power/state-extended and wait 60 seconds in-between before echo mem > /sys/power/state just to be sure, touching the screen still wakes up the device. Also, on the Libra, the gyro wakes it too if the physical position/orientation has changed. I have no clue. I feel like Kobo is not using the same kernel sources as the ones they provided us, because this makes no sense...

1:11 AM

Meanwhile, I'll give up for now unless a miracle happens. It will go in 1.9 release, but what do you want, it's like dark magic. Kobo/Netronix kernels have already given me enough brain damage... (edited)

1:13 AM

Only @Szybet got it to work on his Nia with this commit https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/f215114774b8e85c3feb1f36afc13392bb52e2d2 I tried doing the same with my Glo HD, but it's zForce touch, I didn't get any luck with that...

The sources being outdated are definitely an issue in general, possibly not really here though, but it works on stock kernels ;o).

1:16 AM

So short of testing on a stock kernel, no clue. (edited)

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1:17 AM

Ought to be tested in a void, too (i.e., absolutely nothing running but a dumb script that tests this).

Ok, thanks anyway... Though the Libra kernel that was updated this summer was "positioned for the future" as gtalusan said in the commit's comments

That FW is out by now (and... A newer build since, too).

NiLuJe

Ought to be tested in a void, too (i.e., absolutely nothing running but a dumb script that tests this).

The worst thing is that I got it working in interactive mode, maybe just a coincidence... It never works via script though

But the changes are mostly related to usb, IIRC.

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NiLuJe

The sources being outdated are definitely an issue in general, possibly not really here though, but it works on stock kernels ;o).

Quite strange that literally almost all of my devices (haven't tested the Touch yet) trigger the problem (edited)

It's the same framework since basically forever.

But different touch screens

The sysfs file sets a kernel global that ntx patches all over the place.

1

1:22 AM

I've only seen races on the other end on stock kernels (old neonode builds sometimes failing to wake on resume). (edited)

tux-linux

Quite strange that literally almost all of my devices (haven't tested the Touch yet) trigger the problem (edited)

That probably means you're doing it wrong, tbh.

1:23 AM

It's technically a "good" news.

1

1:23 AM

You just have to find what exactly that "it" is ;).

1

NiLuJe

The sources being outdated are definitely an issue in general, possibly not really here though, but it works on stock kernels ;o).

Maybe @tux-linux e-mail kobo that they need to provide those sources because of Linux kernel license? :) (edited)

1

You... really think they will answer?

1:28 AM

They did up until recently on GH

Hope dies the last

tux-linux

Only @Szybet got it to work on his Nia with this commit https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/f215114774b8e85c3feb1f36afc13392bb52e2d2 I tried doing the same with my Glo HD, but it's zForce touch, I didn't get any luck with that...

I have some ideas to check, wait for the weekend I will look to it

1:29 AM

The thing that helped me search for the solution were "Linux interfupts" they are mentioned as irq in the source

I can't wait I just want to publish 1.9 and be done with it...

I said what you can try out already

The last thing I will test will be to revert to an old rootfs commit where Wi-Fi reconnection didn't exist and see if that is the problem

Szybet

I said what you can try out already

I did

I will tomorrow say what you can edit in the source file exactly

tux-linux

I did

Everything?

Well, I investigated the code, blanked out the suspend and resume functions of the touch screen driver, so like, what can be left to do?

1:31 AM

I literally wiped out the part where it (is supposed to) send the resume command And yet it still resumes

Here are my ideas: 1 Disable only "wake up disable irq" lines 2 Disable only "wake up enable irq" Lines 3 with 1 but put wake enable irq at some place in file where it will be executed. Maybe the default is enable, and disable never happens 4 but with 2 etc 5 look for other files / drivers 6 what was the result with:

compile as module
wake up interface disable
binding the driver
roving the i2c device? + look at other irq something in the source code. Interrupt are important. I think kobo uses them for wakeups

(edited)

1:38 AM

Idk, maybe something more. Change the voltage of the regulator that powers it

At this point, if it doesn't work on all devices, I can't believe it's due to the kernel In July it will be one year since I implemented the mem sleep framework; I can't believe I let that pass for a so long time, it must have broke because of some nonsensical bug in the rootfs

Idk what you are talking about

Since we implemented Wi-Fi reconnection

1:40 AM

I think that's where it broke

1:40 AM

For some unknown reason

Can't sleep with wifi loaded

2:39 AM

FWIW

Yeah, I know, we handle that

2:41 AM

See https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/sleep_standby.sh and https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/wake_standby.sh

sleep(2) between state-extended and state

2:43 AM

(because reasons)

2:43 AM

The 10s beforehand are useless, on the other hand

NiLuJe

sleep(2) between state-extended and state

I tried that too

NiLuJe

The 10s beforehand are useless, on the other hand

well, if they aren't there it says 'failure to suspend some devices' and aborts (edited)

That's because you're doing a whole bunch of crap before, then ^^

2:44 AM

(e.g., fbink)

Yeah, I display a "Sleeping" splash

Yeah, makes sense, although it's a little weird to bunch it in there.

Where would you put it? Qt isn't aware of when the device goes to sleep (edited)

The idea is to: stop handling input in the GUI, stop stuff, display sleepy time, kill wifi. Then shcedule said script to run in ~15s.

2:46 AM

Making the script itself sleep is somewhat less elegant

2:47 AM

and confusing because it's unrelated to the actual delays needed because of kernel fuckery

But then, how in the world does it work when you launch the service from shell?

you're not using the GUI ;p

2:49 AM

(draining the evdev queue before sleep might be necessary, too)

2:50 AM

(it's also good practice to avoid further fuckery with sleep covers)

yeah, but I trigger sleep from the power button, I never do anything with the GUI besides, the GUI was running when I launched it from shell

NiLuJe

(it's also good practice to avoid further fuckery with sleep covers)

I have given up on sleep covers since a long time ...

Power button is an evdev key event

(also, run stuff on key release, not key press) (edited)

2:52 AM

(with a debounce protection)

Maybe I'll have to use some crazy command like this one, launching it without this specific sh sequence didn't work at all: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/6d1f907279c1ba64977c17891f4d2b6c379b865a/etc/init.d/ibxd#L136-L138

NiLuJe

Power button is an evdev key event

(also, run stuff on key release, not key press) (edited)

Sure, but when it ran from shell I used the power button too

:?

Detecting power button events is a dumb evtest watch, I should probably change that somehow: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/evtest_watch

:?!

2:55 AM

(WHy?!)

2:56 AM

It's a standard EV_KEY, let Qt deal with it?

because... this dates back to march 2021 when I was starting with shell scripts and all

2:56 AM

I doubt it is related to the problem though

If there's one thing on Kobo that spits out sane event streams, it's event0 ;o)

NiLuJe

It's a standard EV_KEY, let Qt deal with it?

Yeah, but Qt is down when X11/KoBox is running

Then write an actual power management daemon ;o)

lots of fun ahead...

Because this feels like a series of hacks piled up over each other. You're never going to be able to untangle all this without going back to the basics

i know

3:00 AM

you're right, this will be on the todo list for 2.0

3:01 AM

write it in c++ or some language that makes sense for this

LifeHack: just periodically go back to sleep until you eat an actual meaningful wakeup event (i.e., Power/SleepCover key release)

3:35 AM

Also, differentiate between touch events before suspend that prevent it because EBUSY, from touch events after suspend that wakes up because wakeup pins + state-extended 0

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The worst thing is that the power IC Ricoh61x sees it as a PWR_KEY wakeup event...

3:37 AM

I'm currently fiddling with the sysfs to see if I can get to disable the touchscreen/unbind it, I've succesfully done that, but now I can't enable it again

3:37 AM

/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1/1-0050 # echo disable > neocmd 
/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1/1-0050 # dmesg | tail
[  797.208841] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      Noxx : cc_delta_cap is -1, cc_delta_cap_now is -1, last_cc_delta_cap is 0
[  797.208886] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      Noxx : temp_cc_delta_cap is 0, after temp_cc_delta_cap_mas is -105, cc_cap_mas -706
[  797.209009] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      No9 :Cap is 7855 , low_rate is 101, dsoc is 7864, capnow is 7870, capzero is 65, delta cc is -1, delta cc ori is -1
[  797.209048] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      No10 :temp_mas is -110, offset_mas is -5, value is -101, final value is -1
[  797.222891] PMU : set_current_time2register : second is 1649194467, hour is 458109
[  797.250542] PMU:STATUS= 7: IBAT= -23: VSYS= 3985500: VBAT= 3992300: DSOC= 7864: RSOC= 7900: cc_delta=-111: rrf= 1
[  806.464209] [drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c-694] zforce_i2c_close()
[  806.475243] [zForce_ir_touch_recv_data-232] command Deactivate ...
[  809.267830] NeoDeactivate 
[  809.273032] [zForce_ir_touch_recv_data-232] command Deactivate ...
/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1/1-0050 #

There is this, but it doesn't do anything, event1 still outputs coordinates

3:40 AM

Yeah sure, I believe you 100%

/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1 # ls 1-0050
modalias   name       power      subsystem  uevent
/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1 # echo 0x50 > delete_device 
[ 1134.042707] i2c i2c-1: delete_device: Can't find device in list
sh: write error: No such file or directory
/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1 #

tux-linux

I'm currently fiddling with the sysfs to see if I can get to disable the touchscreen/unbind it, I've succesfully done that, but now I can't enable it again

At least putting it to sleep now and touching the screen doesn't trigger a wakeup event

3:42 AM

But I really need to find how to enable it back

3:44 AM

Maybe @andi , sorry for not yet having tested the Aura SE kernel, really, I've been very busy... But maybe you have an insight on this, I am quite desperate...

It seems it happens more when X11 is enabled (the wakeup on touchscreen) EDIT: nevermind, it happens everytime (edited)

tux-linux

/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1/1-0050 # echo disable > neocmd 
/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1/1-0050 # dmesg | tail
[  797.208841] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      Noxx : cc_delta_cap is -1, cc_delta_cap_now is -1, last_cc_delta_cap is 0
[  797.208886] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      Noxx : temp_cc_delta_cap is 0, after temp_cc_delta_cap_mas is -105, cc_cap_mas -706
[  797.209009] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      No9 :Cap is 7855 , low_rate is 101, dsoc is 7864, capnow is 7870, capzero is 65, delta cc is -1, delta cc ori is -1
[  797.209048] PMU: mainFlowOfLowVoltage :      No10 :temp_mas is -110, offset_mas is -5, value is -101, final value is -1
[  797.222891] PMU : set_current_time2register : second is 1649194467, hour is 458109
[  797.250542] PMU:STATUS= 7: IBAT= -23: VSYS= 3985500: VBAT= 3992300: DSOC= 7864: RSOC= 7900: cc_delta=-111: rrf= 1
[  806.464209] [drivers/input/touchscreen/zforce_i2c.c-694] zforce_i2c_close()
[  806.475243] [zForce_ir_touch_recv_data-232] command Deactivate ...
[  809.267830] NeoDeactivate 
[  809.273032] [zForce_ir_touch_recv_data-232] command Deactivate ...
/sys/devices/platform/imx-i2c.1/i2c-1/1-0050 #

There is this, but it doesn't do anything, event1 still outputs coordinates

No wonder why it did nothing...

Seems that just before suspending, the Glo HD resets state-extended to 0... Nonsense

IT WORKS! https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/e260f2b7bd4c24c016c6c9ca42dc5f70c7a2dba5 That was really like a rabbit hole to go through; even to understand what those few lines are doing Something was writing 0 to state-extended, I don't know what thing, but now mode 0 is invoked by echo 2 > /sys/power/state-extended instead. echo 1 works as usual and doesn't trigger any issues, the screen doesn't react to touch when sleeping, that's wonderful. Thanks @NiLuJe and @Szybet for the suggestions!

N437: Don't wake from sleep on touchscreen activity · Kobo-InkBox/k...

This was a nightmare, took my entire evening and a part of the night, but I'm glad that it works!

6:59 AM

Next up: do that for all devices ... *fun*

That... doesn't look right o_O

tux-linux

IT WORKS! https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/e260f2b7bd4c24c016c6c9ca42dc5f70c7a2dba5 That was really like a rabbit hole to go through; even to understand what those few lines are doing Something was writing 0 to state-extended, I don't know what thing, but now mode 0 is invoked by echo 2 > /sys/power/state-extended instead. echo 1 works as usual and doesn't trigger any issues, the screen doesn't react to touch when sleeping, that's wonderful. Thanks @NiLuJe and @Szybet for the suggestions!

Could you explain what happener?

NiLuJe

That... doesn't look right o_O

Well, according to a while loop, something wrote 0 to state-extended some milliseconds before it went to mem sleep (no idea at all what it is). It explains why the touchscreen reacted and woke up the device. So now if it writes 0, it triggers nothing, it needs to write 2 to reproduce what 0 did. So I can set it to 1 and don't worry about it anymore.

Will it work for every device?

3:17 PM

+ if a device triggers wake up, it will propably also write 0 to extended

Szybet

Will it work for every device?

We will see

Szybet

+ if a device triggers wake up, it will propably also write 0 to extended

I don't know, I tested it quite heavily on my Glo HD, it works fine

tux-linux

We will see

I will not edit anything in the Nia source for now

No way 2048 literally makes the device short circuit on the Glo HD This is hilarious

5:29 PM

It's only temporary, reboot works fine

Short circuit?

5:39 PM

Whaaaat

tux-linux

IT WORKS! https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/e260f2b7bd4c24c016c6c9ca42dc5f70c7a2dba5 That was really like a rabbit hole to go through; even to understand what those few lines are doing Something was writing 0 to state-extended, I don't know what thing, but now mode 0 is invoked by echo 2 > /sys/power/state-extended instead. echo 1 works as usual and doesn't trigger any issues, the screen doesn't react to touch when sleeping, that's wonderful. Thanks @NiLuJe and @Szybet for the suggestions!

Could you explain the changes?

5:41 PM

And does it go to sleep when the screen is touched before echo mem state?

tux-linux

Well, according to a while loop, something wrote 0 to state-extended some milliseconds before it went to mem sleep (no idea at all what it is). It explains why the touchscreen reacted and woke up the device. So now if it writes 0, it triggers nothing, it needs to write 2 to reproduce what 0 did. So I can set it to 1 and don't worry about it anymore.

Explanation

6:33 PM

No it doesn't

Szybet

Short circuit?

It shuts off

6:36 PM

Like if it powered down

CPU overheat?

tux-linux

Explanation

But the code

tux-linux

No it doesn't

So its the same lukę on the nią?

Szybet

CPU overheat?

To much power draw?

Szybet

But the code

The code does exactly what I said

Szybet

CPU overheat?

No, probably incorrect writes in the EPDC that make it freak out It's very strange

tux-linux

Well, according to a while loop, something wrote 0 to state-extended some milliseconds before it went to mem sleep (no idea at all what it is). It explains why the touchscreen reacted and woke up the device. So now if it writes 0, it triggers nothing, it needs to write 2 to reproduce what 0 did. So I can set it to 1 and don't worry about it anymore.

Nothing in the kernel ever writes to gSleep_Mode_Suspend (except the sysfs attribute write handler)

7:44 PM

And being able to set it to 0 is extremely useful (when resuming, for one), but also when suspend fails

7:44 PM

(i.e., we're back to: not a kernel issue)

NiLuJe

And being able to set it to 0 is extremely useful (when resuming, for one), but also when suspend fails

In this case, I only have to set it to 2 instead

NiLuJe

Nothing in the kernel ever writes to gSleep_Mode_Suspend (except the sysfs attribute write handler)

I don't doubt that, but I was unable to find what it was in my rootfs. Maybe udev for some reason, since it doesn't happen in the initrd. (edited)

NiLuJe

And being able to set it to 0 is extremely useful (when resuming, for one), but also when suspend fails

I don't set it to 0 or 2 after resuming, but the touchscreen works as well as another sleep/wake cycle. Normal?

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No way 2048 literally makes the device short circuit on the Glo HD This is hilarious

lmaooo

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Hi! Im looking into buying a kobo clara hd since i can get NixOS running on it eventually, though id have to really strip it to fit intothe 512mb of ram

9:27 PM

So im just gathering information

What info are you specifically gathering?

Magic_RB

Hi! Im looking into buying a kobo clara hd since i can get NixOS running on it eventually, though id have to really strip it to fit intothe 512mb of ram

UM... You know its ARM, its not a powerfull CPU and nix os is not meant for that?

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5:53 PM

um welcome

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Evening all from the UK. Just here to read and learn on developments. I was given a Kobo Glo for my daughter. So just checking what it can run software and os wise. Good work on inkbox btw

You installed it? Nice!

it can run everything, it only depends on your willingness to do it

7:00 PM

well, e-ink display and the cpu is a limitation

7:01 PM

but still

tux-linux

You installed it? Nice!

Yeah it's really good. Only issue i found was if i go into calculator or one of the other "apps", i couldn't figure out how to exit the app with no back, exit or physical hard keys on the glo.

yeah, sorry

7:01 PM

Are you on the latest version?

DrFunkenbreakz

Yeah it's really good. Only issue i found was if i go into calculator or one of the other "apps", i couldn't figure out how to exit the app with no back, exit or physical hard keys on the glo.

this will be fixed, someday

tux-linux

yeah, sorry

Nah, it's alright. Its main functionality is brilliant.

1

@tux-linux also the calculator, does it rotate in the scientist mode?

No, it displays ok but it shrinks strangely

7:02 PM

iirc

yea ok

7:03 PM

i thought it was only for the nia

tux-linux

Are you on the latest version?

Yeah i think so. 1.8?

yes

7:04 PM

1.9 will be out soon

7:04 PM

it will have a LOT of improvements

tux-linux

1.9 will be out soon

Excellent. I will keep an eye on your website.

actually - would you be willing to test a release candidate?

more testers, would be great (edited)

tux-linux

actually - would you be willing to test a release candidate?

Sure. Im away on holiday for the next 10 days with no glo with me, but send the update link and i will test it out when back home with the glo

1

well, in 10 days 1.9 will probably be released

tux-linux

well, in 10 days 1.9 will probably be released

I can wait for the release. My daughter has the glo at home. Im over in Wales for a holiday with the wife

1

nice to see inkbox actually used for its main purpose hehe

7:10 PM

and not just for testing

tux-linux

nice to see inkbox actually used for its main purpose hehe

i have readed an entire book on it ;p

7:11 PM

481 pages

sure

7:11 PM

But I mean, like, people actually putting on their ereader for reading, assuming that it will be adequate and up to their expectations

7:12 PM

Like they would do with koreader/plato/etc

yes, im actually suprised that its usable for them without the latest fixes

The Glo was one of the first supported models, since July 2021 in 1.5

7:13 PM

So it was heavily tested on that device

yes, but pdf to epub, global reading settings, etc are bugs for all devices?

yes

7:14 PM

but they only happen when you trigger them @DrFunkenbreakz probably just hasn't encountered any of these situations yet ;p

inkbox is buggy right now, so be patient

well a lot of it will be fixed (and is already fixed) in 1.9

yes^

tux-linux

but they only happen when you trigger them @DrFunkenbreakz probably just hasn't encountered any of these situations yet ;p

My daughter hasn't said anything to me about any major issues. Admittedly ive used it less than her, but not noticed any deal breakers

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/private/inkbox-update-1.9.upd.isa There's your RC link

cool that young people read books, its rare these days

Maybe your daughter can update it herself, though I can't guarantee everything will work

tux-linux

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/private/inkbox-update-1.9.upd.isa There's your RC link

how do apply this patch?

I have a Glo myself, I'll test it to see if I at least packaged this correctly

he has a normal kernel

oh

7:16 PM

true

7:16 PM

wait

7:17 PM

well you can update the normal way

7:17 PM

but yeah, I forgot to put an std kernel in the package

Szybet

how do apply this patch?

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox#how-do-i-upgrade-inkbox

just like in nickel

7:18 PM

cool

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I did compile okreader (koreader on debian) and stuck it on a sdcard. It worked ok, but sadly development ended back in 2019. The later versions of koreader need more adjustments due to age of debian being used and some missing dependencies

it works fine alongside nickel

DrFunkenbreakz

I did compile okreader (koreader on debian) and stuck it on a sdcard. It worked ok, but sadly development ended back in 2019. The later versions of koreader need more adjustments due to age of debian being used and some missing dependencies

sadly, inkbox is the only distribution for e-readers that is active

tux-linux

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/private/inkbox-update-1.9.upd.isa There's your RC link

Thanks. If you run late on the release, i will test it out. No rush on these releases. I appreciate that you have put many, many hours into this.

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Did you try the X11 integration thing?

7:20 PM

That's a fun one

7:20 PM

If you root the device you can run KTerm, an eInk terminal emulator

tux-linux

Maybe your daughter can update it herself, though I can't guarantee everything will work

The update procedure us really easy..but havin said that she still leaves it to me to change a light bulb

do as you want, no problem

7:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaBj7acHRHk&t=1230s that's kterm

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/f3d5e858b3e60793bde1fce9bc82b7aab0a9e514/initrd/common/inkbox-splash#L37-L57

InkBox OS 1.5

tux-linux

That's a fun one

I haven't tried that yet. Im currently learning to build and maintain android/ aosp...thus the device codenames in my username for other groups

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Maybe you could want to read the wiki, there is some info about how InkBox internally works here: https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:InkBox (edited)

Category:InkBox

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https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_progress_bar i need to use a ruler to measure the lenght of the progress bar? :p

Boot progress bar

what else would you want that I put

7:44 PM

You can look at set_progress calls in the rcS

number on next to the progress bar? %

7:44 PM

i could add it actually

It's not nice

7:45 PM

I prefer minimalism

Szybet

i could add it actually

And it's way more complicated than you think

function with fbink command with one custom variable?...

yes

so its easy ;p

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7:46 PM

it was not easy for me

its sh so there is some trying arround it

You can add it if you want but it will have to be a boot flags option

7:48 PM

And use the THIN font of FBInk

Szybet

so its easy ;p

There was also the whole progress queue I had to implement from scratch, otherwise it would print 90% progress directly: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/f3d5e858b3e60793bde1fce9bc82b7aab0a9e514/initrd/common/inkbox-splash#L133-L170

um i think nia prints 90% very quickly

7:53 PM

very very quickly

Have a video?

i will do it when checking the update

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7:54 PM

meanwhile: origami case for the nia

7:54 PM

cool

You.. do know fbink has a native progress bar widget, right? ;o)

fbink -Z?

Uses one of 'em, but that's a fairly specific edge-case used to mimic on-animator (edited)

Apart from that one, I don't know There is another?

That's a wrapper around the "activity" bar (e.g., a spinner), but there's a standard progress bar, too.

The one I implemented looks like this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/RUYcbxHYopAaKZGg7

c.f., -P & -A (https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/blob/master/CLI.md)

FBInk/CLI.md at master · NiLuJe/FBInk

FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print text & images to an eInk Linux framebuffer - FBInk/CLI.md at master · NiLuJe/FBInk

NiLuJe

That's a wrapper around the "activity" bar (e.g., a spinner), but there's a standard progress bar, too.

how? where?

7:57 PM

ok

7:58 PM

when did you implement this feature?

Forever?

no way I missed this

That was a requirement for MRPI, so I'm pretty sure it was in 1.0, possibly even earlier ;p

ooh that's what you're talking about

8:00 PM

I think I saw it once but didn't like it

It is very shamelessly designed after the Nickel "import" progress bar ;p

It didn't quite follow the design language

8:01 PM

It's the one used when byte-compiling python?

Yeah

Yeah, good but more-or-less a good fit for my purpose

8:01 PM

no offense ;p

None taken, designing a custom one is fairly easy with fbink_cls nowadays

(edited)

Yeah, I had issues with some devices, I needed to invert with -H or it would print strangely

8:02 PM

like that https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/f3d5e858b3e60793bde1fce9bc82b7aab0a9e514/initrd/common/inkbox-splash#L51

8:04 PM

Also when X11 starts on newer devices than imx507/8 the progress bar is "eaten" by whatever X11 is doing and it just doesn't display anything when at 90%+

I'd batch the border + fill rects and do a manual refresh for the full region later, that would at least limit concurrency inside the bar drawing itself

8:06 PM

(won't work on sunxi, though, but that's another kettle of fish)

But if I batch the calls to fill the rectangle, it would just print it full all at once... no?

Actually, if the bar never go backwards and the design is simple enough, you'll only need to batch the first tick, since succeeding ticks will only touch the fill bar

isn't that what it already does?

8:09 PM

the BOUNDARY_DRAWING_DONE variable should account for that bit (edited)

batched (draw border + draw fill + [draw %]) -> refresh (edited)

oh, so draw the border every time

Or not, depending on the design ^^

I wouldn't mind that, but I'm wondering if it would not actually make things worse by calling even more the EPDC

That's the whole point of batching

8:11 PM

only doing a single refresh

hmm ok

c.f., -b, --norefresh

aah

You can even micro-optimize it by only refreshing the previous fill pos -> new fill pos rectangle

8:12 PM

But that's mostly what will happen in practice automatically unless you use GC16

so... remove gc16?

Which you really shouldn't for a progress bar ;p

I put it because it was in the rectangle drawing example

8:13 PM

But yeah, ok

While DU/A2 would be optimal, remember you can't use it if there's gray levels involved (and that involves what's on screen behind the bar the first time you refresh it) (edited)

There's nothing or it is something I don't know lol

8:14 PM

There won't be any gray levels there, so good

8:15 PM

A2 won't work on older devices, or am I mistaken? (edited)

It's there on Mk. 5

8:15 PM

Possibly earlier, can't recall

I have a Touch B, should be Mk 4

But if there's concurrent refreshes, A2 isn't necessarily a good idea

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Kobo nia and libra ( maybe the h20 ) is 20-30$ off (edited)

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4:36 PM

Does the latest update work on touch n905c ? (edited)

4:36 PM

Also is there a way to enable wifi on it?

4:38 PM

I’m willing to test anything you need on this model if need be.

n605c?

4:42 PM

which one is it

4:42 PM

Kobo Clara HD, okay

?

4:43 PM

N905C is a Kobo Touch C (edited)

oh okay

4:44 PM

the Kobo Touch N905C is fully supported

4:44 PM

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Main Page

Seems there is wifi for A/B but not C

from where did you get the model number?

From the bottom of the device

oh, so its a diffrent model

4:45 PM

not supported yet, we can port it

Sorry I kept saying 6 instead of 9

so its Kobo Touch N905C?

Yes

and what does not work?

Sorry for the confusion

4:47 PM

Wifi how do you activate it

there is a button on the top of the screeen

Only a battery icon up there

does it have wifi at all?

4:50 PM

the user guide doesn't talk about it

4:50 PM

Yes I use the beta browser on stock firmware all the time to download epubs

okay, thats weird

4:53 PM

lets go to #quill

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welcome

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7:33 PM

Hi, I bought a gloHD a week ago and I just found your project, I can't wait to try it out.

the glo hd will be supported in 1.9 supposed to release this week

nice

7:38 PM

is this a complete different linux system from the stock one?

yes

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Make a backup of the sd card!

7:52 PM

its really important

absolutely

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@everyone InkBox 1.9 is out! This is the official announcement, now that all packages and images have been uploaded and are publicly available. There goes the changelog:

- 'Online library' feature for Wi-Fi-able devices
- Picture display support
- Support for landscape PDFs
- Wi-Fi devices: New "Online library" feature (fetches books from Project
    Gutenberg)
- Kobo Aura SE (N236), Kobo Glo HD (N437) and Kobo Nia (N306) support
- UI redesign
- Boot progress bar
- Timezone support (Settings -> Page 2 -> Timezone)
- System report generation (Settings -> Page 2 -> Generate system report)
- Improved USB Mass Storage mode
- New font (Univers/u001)
- Special characters in virtual keyboard
- Speed optimizations in Reader framework (among others, page turning speed)
- Wi-Fi framework improvements
- New apps: Reversi and 2048
- LOTS of various bugfixes

You can update with the packages there: http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.9/ Or, if you have a newly-supported device, flash an image from there: http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/ Enjoy!

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Where is the warning about waveshare, backup and no warranty

3:10 PM

Its important i think

On the website I'll put it on mobileread too

add it to the how to flash file maybe too

5:20 PM

also, balena etcher is available for linux too

5:21 PM

and for linux, gnome-disks works great

Szybet

add it to the how to flash file maybe too

Already there

Szybet

also, balena etcher is available for linux too

I know

5:41 PM

It's in the docs Didn't you read them?

5:42 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/master/README.md "How to install InkBox"

tux-linux

It's in the docs Didn't you read them?

People read directions?

Well, idk

Szybet

Where is the warning about waveshare, backup and no warranty

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/master/LEGAL.md

3:06 AM

I still need to add backup and waveform info

3:06 AM

But the important statement is there

Maybe brick isn't a "legal" term

What to replace it with?

Render useless

11:21 PM

Render the device useless

Hmm

dill

Maybe brick isn't a "legal" term

xda uses bricked device for ages

11:22 PM

so no, leave it as it is

Oh ok

11:23 PM

Just a thought

dill

Render useless

i dont understand this term at all, so no, bricked is fine

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I think I have found the chess extension for KoBox: http://www.bergo.eng.br/eboard/

don't make it using xorg :( (edited)

why

9:12 PM

(apart from the Nia's bug with X)

tux-linux

(apart from the Nia's bug with X)

thats why

9:13 PM

maybe this?: https://github.com/Kadiryanik/AI-Chess

GitHub - Kadiryanik/AI-Chess: Chess game with some simple AI

Chess game with some simple AI. Contribute to Kadiryanik/AI-Chess development by creating an account on GitHub.

I found cutechess but it seems really complicated to port

Szybet

maybe this?: https://github.com/Kadiryanik/AI-Chess

strange that I didn't see it before

9:14 PM

the main problem I see though is that the viewport will be too large for the screen

tux-linux

I found cutechess but it seems really complicated to port

why?

chess engines i'll have a look at it

if you add it kobox only, i will replace it one day anyway

I chose xboard for X I'll probably make it for qt too

9:16 PM

but neither one will replace the other

9:16 PM

xboard is using better chess engines than ai-chess

9:16 PM

so if people want that they can go with xboard

okay, name it chess and better chess :D

In the kobo nia manual, it writes that for battery replacement we should contact kobo

10:55 PM

Interesting, what will they say? Okay now shut up?

10:56 PM

Also the kobo doesn't like medical equipment, probably because of wifi?

Szybet

Interesting, what will they say? Okay now shut up?

Probably

XBoard ported!

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https://nheko-reborn.github.io/

10:23 AM

Hmm

10:24 AM

Aside porting it, will it run? Or is it too heavy

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Szybet

Aside porting it, will it run? Or is it too heavy

It's using QML

3:02 AM

So, no

3:02 AM

Unless you run it in KoBox

NonaSuomy

What are you up to @alex(O_o)

I was searching for an alternative OS for my kobo clara hd and I ended up here

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Do you have any questions?

well 1. do you know linux well? 2. do you have a LOT of time to spare? 3. do you like nightmares?

"3. do you like nightmares?"

3:10 AM

What processor is the clara?

well it's quite true sony isn't an exception, is it?

NonaSuomy

What processor is the clara?

imx6sll

tux-linux

well it's quite true sony isn't an exception, is it?

I was wondering why I was having nightmares...

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These times I have nightmares about actual problems in my code that could appear some day for no reason My nightmares actually make sense when I think about them in the morning (edited)

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tux-linux

well 1. do you know linux well? 2. do you have a LOT of time to spare? 3. do you like nightmares?

I don't know if we mean the same thing by knowing linux well ^^'

what distro are you on?

lot of time, yep i think so

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3:13 AM

currently i'm using arch

also, do you have access to some sort of serial terminal? like raspberry pi, arduino, etc.?

alex(O_o)

currently i'm using arch

nice, on Gentoo here do you have good knowledge of the command line?

i have a raspi (as a homeserver)

ok, well it will be needed

3:15 AM

you don't need soldering skills, we'll just connect your Kobo via serial with wires and toothpicks

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i would say i'm comfortable with the command line, and i know how to read manpages/doc ^^' so i can learn more

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3:17 AM

nice, because i've never try soldering ^^' (even if with the right tools i could learn)

me neither...

tux-linux

you don't need soldering skills, we'll just connect your Kobo via serial with wires and toothpicks

It works!

What exactly? (edited)

Oh, the serial thing

It shouldn't :p

https://youtu.be/6EfoECqD9Pk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9qTfLZTMs

LeapPad 1 Linux hacking

Szybet

It shouldn't :p

Why? The above video shows a kids tablet connected with toothpicks

Szybet

It shouldn't :p

I don't think you understand conductivity...

3:31 PM

3:32 PM

3:39 PM

you could also make a pogo pin clip

NonaSuomy

I don't think you understand conductivity...

I have my experience. IF it isin't soldered, then it isin't reliable

NonaSuomy

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You are really doing something like this?

3:41 PM

Risk of a short circuit is sky rocketing

No I use this method but I may switch to that one!

3:50 PM

Well there isin't much to short (edited)

I wonder if they make a conductive putty

But still, executing commands in U-Boot must be a nightmare

NonaSuomy

I wonder if they make a conductive putty

Putty?

Szybet

But still, executing commands in U-Boot must be a nightmare

that's what your other hand is for...

NonaSuomy

that's what your other hand is for...

Typing with one hand

3:52 PM

Still solder is better for me

Szybet

Putty?

Educational Innovations

Electri-Putty

3:54 PM

I could just stick three blobs on the pads then stick the probs in them.

Szybet

Still solder is better for me

you do you!

NonaSuomy

I could just stick three blobs on the pads then stick the probs in them.

This sound like weaker solder :D

Close!

4:01 PM

https://www.browndoggadgets.com/blogs/resources/73556613-circuit-putty

Circuit Putty

Circuit Putty can be used to create tools and activities that allow kids of all ages to experiment with circuits and electronics using play dough. Using our provided unique recipe, you can create a batch of non-toxic, conductive play dough! It's simple to make and works great with all of the included accessories in thi

4:01 PM

Unfortunately that would dry out eventually. Wonder if that magnetic putty would work good says it doesn't dry out. (edited)

4:04 PM

https://www.workshopplus.com/products/quicksilver-magnetic-thinking-putty

Quicksilver - Magnetic Thinking Putty

Commonly known as quicksilver, mercury is the only metallic element that is a liquid at room temperature. It’s a heavy, silver-colored metal that has been historically used for temperature gauges and electrical applications because of its conductive properties. Just like its namesake, Quicksilver Thinking Putty® is a s

4:05 PM

why would you talk about mercury...

4:05 PM

You want to associate your product with a toxic substance?

With these non through-hole probe points they are really meant for pogo pins. If you solder stuff to them you are at risk of ripping the pad off the board. Just the same as you risk shorting out something in a non permanent method of holding the wire there. For both methods just put the device some place safe that won't get knocked around and it will be fine. Even remote into the device that's plugged into it so you don't have to be near it

(edited)

4:14 PM

You could also put kapton tape around the probs so they don't touch anything else.

My boards probe points also lay flush with this cast surface. With like 0.1mm gap tolerance. If I put anything on those pads and don’t clean them off properly I’m at risk of the IR touch sensors not aligning properly or the board shorting out. (edited)

4:24 PM

I would have to have some super thin magnetic wire to get that working with solder proper. (edited)

4:37 PM

Beautiful!

4:37 PM

Wish I thought of that sooner… (edited)

Szybet

Risk of a short circuit is sky rocketing

Never bricked any Kobo by not soldering

Szybet

But still, executing commands in U-Boot must be a nightmare

No

tux-linux

Never bricked any Kobo by not soldering

and i hope it will be like that

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People are mistaking inkbox with inkbook

3:36 PM

Not cool

Free indirect advertising.

3:37 PM

People will come get confused and maybe look further into it! Haha

NonaSuomy

Free indirect advertising.

In my opiniom its anty advertising

3:39 PM

"What ereader has these great apps? Inkbook? Okay byeee i cant heaaaar youuuu"

I don't see anything great about it... looks pretty basic.

NonaSuomy

I don't see anything great about it... looks pretty basic.

im talking about inkbox

4:54 PM

ugh

Szybet

People are mistaking inkbox with inkbook

Where have you seen that?

I wish the world just worked on open source to make really solid base layers to build from. Be nice if something like InkBox was the base layer for every eInk reader.

at my school

Tell your school they are dumb.

NonaSuomy

I wish the world just worked on open source to make really solid base layers to build from. Be nice if something like InkBox was the base layer for every eInk reader.

Thanks

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NonaSuomy

I wish the world just worked on open source to make really solid base layers to build from. Be nice if something like InkBox was the base layer for every eInk reader.

it works like that, every ereader is on linux and android

NonaSuomy

Tell your school they are dumb.

of course

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Szybet

it works like that, every ereader is on linux and android

It really doesn't. Everyone just tries to make a walled garden to dig out a niche. Instead of collaborating. Then you have multiple organizations spinning their tires creating more eWaste. Reinventing the wheel multiple times. Instead of just focusing on making one really great solid base. (edited)

It's sad how much knowledge gets lost along the way as well in these processes.

look at CPU's

5:19 PM

there are like 5 companies that make them

5:19 PM

we don't have any in depth knowledge how to do this

5:19 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5ycm7VfXg

Sam Zeloof

"Z2" - Upgraded Homemade Silicon Chips

this is a 40-50 years old technology (edited)

5:26 PM

still impresive

Every journey starts with a single step.

5:30 PM

I loathe when I start to get into the thick of things and start understanding so much about something and then get pulled away from that by something else and then poof I have no idea what I was doing before and how I got where I went.

5:32 PM

Be nice if we can rewind life and then spend more time in those moments when ever you need to. git clone life... ok I'm back where I need to be...

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http://fread.ink/hope_talk.webm

7:44 PM

thats an interesting video

interesting kindle uses awesomewm

7:59 PM

woah ./kexec -l uImage -t uImage then ./kexec -e you can load the kernel from the already running kernel on the kindle. (edited)

This guy is answering all the questions.

NonaSuomy

woah ./kexec -l uImage -t uImage then ./kexec -e you can load the kernel from the already running kernel on the kindle. (edited)

Yes, I'm using that on eMMC devices

Have you watched that video?

I might have, a long time ago

Oh, hey, i'm on TV!

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You didn't know that? :D

I knew of fread, but I'd never actually whatched the actual talk, yeah

NiLuJe

I knew of fread, but I'd never actually whatched the actual talk, yeah

Did he pronounce your handle properly?

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I wish there was a setting to perm make the robot wave mine... That carrot is messed up...

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Hi @ChuckGPT what are you up to?

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@yo'av what’s going on?

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Hey! I just got a new Kobo Clara but I think I'm actually going to install PostmarketOS on it

did anyone here try that?

I'm not sure you have come to the right place...

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Witaj :D

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Hi!

3:42 AM

Im a little out of my element here but I found myself 3 old kobo touches, i am hoping to try out this OS

touch a/b/c?

a...

3:42 AM

thats a problem yeah?

welp, only touch not supported by inkbox

3:43 AM

also it has an emmc

ooof

Well, I guess we can always try to port it

oh no wait!

3:43 AM

this one is a B!

ok, that one's supported

3:43 AM

do you have touch a's?

i have a couple of a's, a b

3:44 AM

hang on... (checking all of them)

3:44 AM

4 a's and a b

tux-linux

well 1. do you know linux well? 2. do you have a LOT of time to spare? 3. do you like nightmares?

Do you fill those criteria?

3:47 AM

(if, that is, you would be wiling to help port inkbox to the touch A)

Free Radical

Im a little out of my element here but I found myself 3 old kobo touches, i am hoping to try out this OS

It will be that image (for the Touch B) http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n905b/inkbox-1.7-n905b.xz (edited)

i do not have TOO mcuh experience with linux (but i love to learn) I have a TON of time I love a good nightmare

1

Ok, welcome

3:48 AM

what distro are you on?

i have an ubuntu 20.04 at my disposal... I am using my windows 10 atm

a real ubuntu 20.04?

yup

3:50 AM

separate machine

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Hi! Interested by the project, I follow the invitation from a git issue. I will try to dig more into it. If needed I can debug/test on aurora H2O (N250) ... with some guidance at 1st. Hoping can help (and learn)

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Please join the already existing porting thread

Welcome, hmm there isint a thread in #porting about this device

11:18 PM

or im blind?

Never mind

11:18 PM

I'll create it

pibaoi

Hi! Interested by the project, I follow the invitation from a git issue. I will try to dig more into it. If needed I can debug/test on aurora H2O (N250) ... with some guidance at 1st. Hoping can help (and learn)

Do you have Linux experience?

I have a better question

11:20 PM

Do you have Linux?

That too

tux-linux

Do you have Linux experience?

Linux AdminSys counts ?

I guess? (Don't know much about those certifications) You have a good understanding of the cli? (edited)

pibaoi

Linux AdminSys counts ?

Is this your work?

Szybet

Is this your work?

Yep! Live in a shell world, deploy a bunch on Linux servers and clusters. (but a lot learn still)

Ok very good

it should be fine

tux-linux

well 1. do you know linux well? 2. do you have a LOT of time to spare? 3. do you like nightmares?

You already fulfill criteria 1 What about the other ones?

are you maybe a cpp / c wizard with linux kernel experience too? we are looking for one (edited)

He's working on servers So probably not

tux-linux

well 1. do you know linux well? 2. do you have a LOT of time to spare? 3. do you like nightmares?

you should pin the message

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Szybet

are you maybe a cpp / c wizard with linux kernel experience too? we are looking for one (edited)

Ohhh no. Can read it, may understand it, not sure to speak it

Not to worry about

i was just joking

Also, I'm curious: where did you first hear about InkBox OS? (edited)

Yes, but before the git issue

oh yeah

tux-linux

Also, I'm curious: where did you first hear about InkBox OS? (edited)

its pretty easy to encounter it on github / mobileread if someone starts hacking their kobo

tux-linux

Also, I'm curious: where did you first hear about InkBox OS? (edited)

I look time to time if there is a way to "open" my reader. There was a way to install Debian on aurora HD but not clear info about aurora HD. Then I search for a newer kernel from it and DaDaDaa.. found the git repo. (U know all now

)

Nice thanks

11:34 PM

Do you know how to setup a serial connection?

^how to solder maybe?

And build a rocket ?

Not necessarily

11:35 PM

No

pibaoi

And build a rocket ?

to fast, this will be step 5

1

inkbox-powered rocket

It will need a HUGE security audit before it's ready...

1

About 2. : no much time but I always spect to find some 3. : if I didn't like them... I should change my line of work About serial communications I think I can manage with some reads/tries (and guidance). For the soldering part, if I do not need to show anybody my pancakes or put any current on it...

you just need toothpicks and wires, no soldering required (although it can be better)

1

11:42 PM

do you have a raspberry pi?

^or a 2$ USB to serial adapter

or that

i could have bought THAT?

Yep! I have them (and some duinos which do also the job)

oh arduinos work? mine didn't

dill

oh arduinos work? mine didn't

why wouldn't they

ok, very good

mine didn't

why

11:45 PM

idk??

11:45 PM

this was months and months ago

do you have permissions to ttyACM1?

yes i had those

yes, he's seeing garbage characters

sudo

+ what pins are you using on the arduino

i had everything set up

+ what is your arduino code

5v to gnd, rx to tx and vice versa

11:46 PM

code?

5v to gnd ?????

SORRY gnd to gnd i meant

Maybe the issue is that your Arduino is 5V and the Kobo is 3.3V

dill

5v to gnd, rx to tx and vice versa

rx tx 0 1 right?

tux-linux

Maybe the issue is that your Arduino is 5V and the Kobo is 3.3V

he would already kill the kobo...

not necessarily

dill

code?

yes?

no, no i definitely set it up right

i didn't kill the kindle touch with 3.3v

tux-linux

not necessarily

most propably

now it works fine with level shifter at 1.8v, and serial port is very good

11:48 PM

(see porting thread)

tux-linux

i didn't kill the kindle touch with 3.3v

weird but good

11:49 PM

wait, mine usb to serial is also 5v

11:49 PM

Have to go! I will take a look to a serial com to my device (step 1) and see if I found some info using a duino (step 2).

1

11:52 PM

Thanks for the harm welcome.

Ok, please post boot log on the porting thread when you have it

pibaoi

Thanks for the harm welcome.

*warm welcome I hope...?

that's the right layout

yep

11:53 PM

just for reference

tux-linux

*warm welcome I hope...?

Typo + translation

1

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okay, where is the code

??

11:54 PM

sorry i have no idea

its an arduino right?

what that means? it's not your fault, i'm just dumb

11:55 PM

yeah

arduino is a microcontroler

11:55 PM

it needs to be programmed

As I remember: basically you use the usb2serial on the board (and "bypass" the chip). You can do it removing the chip or coding "something something" which I do not recall.

11:59 PM

Found this BUT is untested: https://oscarliang.com/use-arduino-as-usb-serial-adapter-converter/

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Arduino uses FTDI chips to create serial port connection between computer and the chip, so you can program the Atmel chip inside the Arduino board, without the need of any ISP programmers. If we look at the…

its better to code than to modify the hardware

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Szybet

it needs to be programmed

i am very, VERY stupid

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How’s it going @Peter42

hi:)

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What device do you have @Peter42 ?

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4:26 AM

Hi @koboauraone what device do you have?

4:27 AM

Haha maybe a Kobo aura one?

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https://mobilesyrup.com/2022/05/02/amazon-kindle-begrudgingly-accepts-epub-book-files/

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Amazon Kindle begrudgingly accepts ePub book files

Amazon has loosened its grip on the Kindle slightly, but it's enough or ePub files to slide in.

4:41 AM

You may want to consider changing your git repo to just Inkbox instead of kobo-inkbox to prevent confusion if you keep porting endless devices

i can't it was already taken

The last time it was used was 2013 for basically nothing. Message GitHub to recover it for you!

4:45 AM

Pretty sure this project is way more important than what it’s currently doing!

4:51 AM

“Name Squatting Policy GitHub prohibits account name squatting, and account names may not be reserved or inactively held for future use. Accounts violating this name squatting policy may be removed or renamed without notice. Attempts to sell, buy, or solicit other forms of payment in exchange for account names are prohibited and may result in permanent account suspension.”

inkbox didn't exist in 2013

Doesn’t matter the account being stale is all that matters

4:53 AM

Just contact and ask support won’t hurt anything (edited)

4:53 AM

If the say no NBD

4:54 AM

“GitHub prohibits account name squatting, and account names may not be reserved or inactively held for future use.”

4:55 AM

They are currently holding an inactive account.

4:56 AM

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I'll see because this would also involve changing all links pointing to the organization and repositories

Do it sooner than later before you become too big!

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Hey

3:11 PM

Just installed inkbox on my Kobo Nia n306

2

3:11 PM

Now I'm stuck in the maps application lol

3:14 PM

Btw, is it a problem that I used a 64gb SD card? (Will it make stuff slower?)

Raycast [THCoH]

Now I'm stuck in the maps application lol

Holding the power button for 15s worked I guess

Battery usage is much higher on inkbox

3:50 PM

Would be nice if dual booting was possible

Raycast [THCoH]

Now I'm stuck in the maps application lol

there is no way to escape

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Just installed inkbox on my Kobo Nia n306

wow! the fifth person using this device

Raycast [THCoH]

Battery usage is much higher on inkbox

yes it is... there can be something done about it in the future

Installed inkbox on a separate sdcard

4:01 PM

So I'll use the official os for now

Raycast [THCoH]

Btw, is it a problem that I used a 64gb SD card? (Will it make stuff slower?)

it depends on the sd card

I think it was a SanDisk class10 A1 sdcard

4:01 PM

Am not sure

idk

4:02 PM

with inkbox you can use bigger sd cards

4:02 PM

can you test some things on your nia and inkbox?

Sure, but not now

4:02 PM

Gonna go to the dentist now

okay

4:03 PM

good luck

4:03 PM

Who is going to port doom tho?

it would run horrible

4:04 PM

e-ink is not meant for that

4:04 PM

but it can be done

4:04 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pokemon from the GBA might run tho

oh, pokemons could

4:04 PM

thats an idea

Welp, I'll be back later~

There's an old GB emulator port in the Kindle dev forums, IIRC.

Switched to a faster 128gb sdcard for inkbox

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Hewwo

Raycast [THCoH]

Switched to a faster 128gb sdcard for inkbox

This is a lot faster

6:46 PM

It now reacts much faster than it did using the 64gb sdcard

Were they the same rated cards besides size?

No

6:49 PM

128gb was rated as U3

6:50 PM

64gb was rated as U1 A1 class 10

Apparently U1 = 10MB/s U3 = 30MB/s

7:10 PM

The internal device controller though would also have to support that.

Getting around 64mb/s with U3 (using a cheap USB 3.0 card reader)

7:42 PM

U1 seems to be limited to around 34mb/s

It's a confusing mess of indications on SD cards.

Its not bad

9:02 PM

have you seen usb?

9:02 PM

especielly 3.0+

"UHS is a definition of the bus the card uses, not the speed of the card directly. However, the speed is going to be at least partly dependent on the bus-type used."

9:04 PM

"So, that’s all a bit confusing in itself, but even the specifications for the individual UHS types are a bit hard to grasp sometimes. The UHS-I definition is a bit... nebulous. Originally it was a 100mhz bus at 50MB/s peak, but now it has provisions for a faster bus allowing up to 104 MB/s. But really, the best way to think of it is that UHS-I just means whatever max speed they can pull most recently from the standard microSD pin layout."

9:05 PM

"UHS-II, defined in 2011, has a different physical pin layout compared to UHS-I. The extra row of pins increases the available bandwidth to 150-300ish MB/s. To be able to use a UHS-II card to its fullest, you’ll need a reader or device that has the extra pins and corresponding bus. Right now no phones have that, and some users have actually reported slower speeds with UHS-II cards in UHS-I devices compared to UHS-I cards."

9:05 PM

"UHS-III is pin-compatible with UHS-II, but with double the bus speeds compared to UHS-II, so a theoretical max somewhere in the range of 300-600MB/s."

9:06 PM

I've never bought any SD cards yet with a double row of pins

9:11 PM

https://www.sdcard.org/developers/sd-standard-overview/speed-class/

nishimura

Speed Class | SD Association

9:12 PM

Interesting words there "Minimum" Sequential Write Speed (edited)

9:14 PM

So the 10/30MB/s above is the minimum they will go haha.

9:16 PM

Never seen informational material boasting about the minimum speed kind of weird.

9:17 PM

Szybet

have you seen usb?

Yes USB is equally confusing as they added so many different functional things to it as well like Display Port / Sound / High Powered charging.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeN--KHPmkmteKfaVmEvhPTSQ-lqX7iFk

SLP

11:07 PM

ASMR

Lol

Hearing people lips smack quietly while they talk makes my skin crawl like finger nails on a chalkboard.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbtnQobcmc6KMNtKwYsuE-HtXsjXWo0YK

TANO*C STREAM

DJ Live Stream archive

11:09 PM

t+pazolite is my favorite artist

Sorry let me rephase direct less random hyperboil.

NonaSuomy

Hearing people lips smack quietly while they talk makes my skin crawl like finger nails on a chalkboard.

I have the solution for you

11:10 PM

https://youtu.be/9wtWyYRSsgU

t+pazolite & ななひら - Hardcore ASMR

this is the weirdest music i have hears in some time

Hardcore starts around 1:06

Szybet

this is the weirdest music i have hears in some time

Can get weirder tho

Raycast [THCoH]

Can get weirder tho

https://youtu.be/1v0hP5DuAZ8

t+pazolite - T+ VS SHARK (Official MV)

its too much for me

Lol

I used to sleep to much faster stuff.

Not as fast as one of his other songs tho

11:18 PM

https://youtu.be/8i6LET0DyAo

https://youtu.be/w6lyXpxNPm8 https://youtu.be/AGhcDwHfx38

t+pazolite - BPM=RT

11:19 PM

This by far is faster than every song I know

11:20 PM

[DJMIX]20MIN. tpz SUMMER FAST-FORWARD MIX

[DJMIX]20MIN. tpz OVER250BPM MIX

At one point it just sounds like old chiptunes when the speed mashes all the sound together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6Tf1EwJXo

Good e-Reader

You Can No Longer Buy Kindle eBooks on Android | Good News

5:33 AM

...what can you do... install InkBox.

I wonder if ever/when they will start talking about it on their crappy website

I have a great idea

8:18 AM

i think

8:18 AM

propably

8:18 AM

discord roles with names indicating what device you use

What if you use them all?

8:19 AM

yea

Just change your nick to {Nia Porter} on this server if you want.

i want this that other people will use them and i will hunt them down ans ask things for the nia

Well they will all know who to go to to ask with your clan title on like @Raycast [THCoH]

UwU

but when using roles it is nicer

8:23 AM

and there are colors

NonaSuomy

Well they will all know who to go to to ask with your clan title on like @Raycast [THCoH]

The Holy Church of Horniness

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and a nick: tux linux [glo, libra, clara, kindle touch] is long

Raycast [THCoH]

The Holy Church of Horniness

I only expected as much with the furries in the background.

1

UwU

Szybet

and a nick: tux linux [glo, libra, clara, kindle touch] is long

You know what they say... longer nick...

Longer dick

do we really need to make rules to not swear on this server?

8:26 AM

mark it as a spoiler pls

SPOILER

thanks

SPOILER

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I can't see from your profile pic but I really hope you are drinking something with a straw like that photo.

8:27 AM

It would only make sense.

Raycast [THCoH]

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fail.

I didn't add my face to it tho

Raycast [THCoH]

I didn't add my face to it tho

I'll fix it for you tho...

SPOILER

i think its time to stop?

It wasn't cringy enough. It needed to be fixed. Szybet you attract the weirdest people here with your Nia port. (edited)

Do not insult him ;/

I'm pretty sure they will love it. (edited)

NonaSuomy

I'll fix it for you tho...

Thx

Raycast [THCoH]

Thx

I'm waiting for the change of icons.

9:03 AM

Aww you need to move it to the left some more

Done~

add a spoiler to it

9:05 AM

-_-

(͠≖ ͜ʖ͠≖)

(edited)

This stuff really needs to stay here, I will not tolerate it anywhere else Thank you

create a offtopic channel

Szybet

discord roles with names indicating what device you use

@tux-linux

Szybet

and a nick: tux linux [glo, libra, clara, kindle touch] is long

tux-linux [kindle touch, kobo touch b/c, mini, glo, glo hd, libra h2o, aura 2]

Sooo you will add the roles?

Here are some people now, would anyone want to contribute to inkbox in a way that no skills are required? (edited)

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Dont send this to me

7:27 AM

Because I'm sad that I will never have one

7:27 AM

I want to get a remarkable And that costs a LOT Maybe some day

There is so much good perfekt open source hardware these days

7:58 AM

And I can't afford it

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Don't worry, I'm too stubborn SmugPepe

Welcome

3:00 PM

what?

3:00 PM

Oh, I saw Nima is here too. We talked half an hour ago. Don't mind me

Oh you mean Nicolas

Ye

who are you

Random guy who bought a kobo

3:01 PM

Literally no one

no one with a kobo...

3:02 PM

which kobo?

Zenlou

Oh, I saw Nima is here too. We talked half an hour ago. Don't mind me

in person or on the internet

Clara HD and Internet

oh okay

3:02 PM

i dont think the clara port is ready

Ye I read that. I'm not in a rush

but if it will be done it will be the best port

Or too demanding, y'know

you can help with it

If you tell me how and give me time till evening/weekend

Do you can Linux / programming?

3:10 PM

You can test the new kernel on the clara porting thread

3:10 PM

Or something like that

3:10 PM

There are many ways to contribute

I do can a bit of Linux and programming, but nothing serious. I can attempt reading through the channels

You can always learn more

Btw I'm just looking for a browser on the damn thing. Firefox allegedly needs too much ram. Just so ya know why I'm here in the first place

We have problems with getting a browser to inkbox

3:12 PM

There is netsurf but nothing more

3:13 PM

Look at #quill, there were some tryies

I'll do that later. Thanks

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Welcome

@kneidontwhat are you working on?

7:29 PM

what is this

7:31 PM

im not saying this happened to kneidont, but ive seen this happen when people got banned from discord

kneidont was killed. he survived?

Oops we hardly knew them RIP.

I did not ban him

7:35 PM

Idk what happened

I think they were banned from the overall platform (edited)

no, from discord

7:36 PM

yeah

7:36 PM

the platform

Ok

platform? you mean discord?

2

7:36 PM

;_;

You don't consider this a platform that you can build stuff on?

its just discord

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I do see some familiar faces around here, hello there.

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welcome

thanks

8:47 PM

was looking to see if I could get inkbox on my libra n873 but it looks a little involved atm

its hard to port things

8:48 PM

but nothing is impossible

It is already ported Only difficult to install

10:39 PM

And risky too

Why is it risky?

you can contribute and help to not make it risky

10:39 PM

propably soldered bga chip

10:39 PM

isint there a download mode?

Szybet

propably soldered bga chip

yes

Szybet

isint there a download mode?

yes and no

11:16 PM

there's no (known) way to trigger it unless you blank the MMC/U-Boot well, yes, there are mw commands in U-Boot to trigger it, but it isn't useful at all in this case (edited)

11:17 PM

and it has been tested on only one board, not mine

tux-linux

there's no (known) way to trigger it unless you blank the MMC/U-Boot well, yes, there are mw commands in U-Boot to trigger it, but it isn't useful at all in this case (edited)

you mean?...

11:17 PM

blank?

yes

11:18 PM

andi1 did cat /dev/zero > /dev/mmcblk0 and download mode was triggered on reboot

11:18 PM

I don't know if it triggers it if it can't find U-Boot or if it is something else

what if on the beggining there was 111 not 000?

11:19 PM

or a corupted u-boot?

we don't know

11:19 PM

maybe @andi has more insight

and the chip IC is?

11:20 PM

serial code

can't tell you right now it's an imx6sll

the solid state memory chip

11:21 PM

not cpu

oh

11:21 PM

iirc it's some samsung thingy

if there is a download mode then you can read it from the datasheet

11:22 PM

samsung should have it

download mode isn't implemented in the cpu?

11:23 PM

you don't need an emmc to have a download mode

11:23 PM

in our case, the "download mode" will only be able to load a working U-Boot to RAM from USB

11:24 PM

With U-Boot we can then do everything, so this is great

tux-linux

download mode isn't implemented in the cpu?

it could. i dont see a problem that the chip itself couldnt have one

11:24 PM

but if so - then the cpu datasheet

at least sunxi download mode (FEL mode) is implemented directly in SoC/CPU

interestingly datasheets available on the internet are nothing worth

11:25 PM

niluje has better ones

sunxi has an awesome wiki page about this (and an awesome wiki too) https://linux-sunxi.org/FEL/USBBoot

USBBoot

very cool

I use it in my Lichee Pi Zero for a serial board all is loaded from USB: U-Boot, kernel, initrd, minicom, picocom, microcom, g_ether, etc. so there is no need for any SD card (edited)

tux-linux

I use it in my Lichee Pi Zero for a serial board all is loaded from USB: U-Boot, kernel, initrd, minicom, picocom, microcom, g_ether, etc. so there is no need for any SD card (edited)

this board has so much potential and you use it to read serial

I actually bought it by mistake

how is user apps implementation going?

I was looking for free hardware to port InkBox OS, and I misread 512 Mbit as 512 MB

Szybet

how is user apps implementation going?

it is not going... will try tomorrow

tux-linux

I was looking for free hardware to port InkBox OS, and I misread 512 Mbit as 512 MB

64MB it would run and nothing more ;p

it would not

11:33 PM

well, it would be wayyyyyyyyyy too slow

tux-linux

it is not going... will try tomorrow

sure, im using them for a week without an issue without the backend tho

good to know

11:36 PM

with what do you edit source files?

which source files?

inkbox powerd

vscode

they all lack a newline

w h a t

you are using LF?

11:41 PM

the red circles are newline errors

um yea

not that important, but still strange

CRLF is correct?

no

11:41 PM

crlf is for windows (edited)

i have no idea

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Hello, thanks for the welcome. I usually avoid Discord, but I wanted to thank you for your project! I love that Kobo is going open source thanks to you! Once I pass my final exams, I want to install InkBox on my Kobo Glo HD and my brother's Kobo Glo! But I have a question. Are manga (comics) supported natively or do I need to install an extension like UltimateMangaReader?

If your mangas are in pdf, then yes

you can install UltimateMangaReader if you want too

Use kindlecomicconverter to make epubs if your mangas are PNG files

tux-linux

If your mangas are in pdf, then yes

The manga would be in cbz format. But it would be no problem for me to convert the manga to a PDF. ^^

Szybet

you can install UltimateMangaReader if you want too

Thank you, I will do it :D

Cbz is just a zip file if I remember correctly

Raycast [THCoH]

Cbz is just a zip file if I remember correctly

Yes

KoboGloHDUser

Thank you, I will do it :D

inkbox has user apps coming soon, so porting it and launching will be a no problem

Looking forward to installing InkBox soon ^^ Would a faster SD card offer any advantages over the original SD card?

Szybet

inkbox has user apps coming soon, so porting it and launching will be a no problem

Nice :D

KoboGloHDUser

Looking forward to installing InkBox soon ^^ Would a faster SD card offer any advantages over the original SD card?

if you have a faster sd card, yes sure. but buing one specially for inkbox is not worth it

2:26 PM

remember to do a backup of you built in sd card before doing anything

Great, then I will definitely use a faster SD. Because I need more memory for my manga and the SD card is slow to load my mangas on the original system

Raycast [THCoH]

Use kindlecomicconverter to make epubs if your mangas are PNG files

Many Thanks! I just tried it out and I'm thrilled! I can finally read my manga from right to left! ^^ And the picture quality is much better :)

Nice thing, you can now browse more easily GH commits

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Ohnos wild weedas pull them quick!

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Hello all

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Are kobox and inkbox 2 different projects?

6:31 PM

Sorry for possibly obvious question

they have been merged

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What name will it operate under?

it's still kobox

Kobox is a submodule of inkbox

7:55 PM

Thats how i would name that

Yeah inbox includes kobox

11:40 PM

Basically

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hey, this project seems interesting but unfortunately i only have a libra h2o

installing inkbox to it is doable but risky and difficult

tux-linux

installing inkbox to it is doable but risky and difficult

im up for it

12:20 AM

what do i need

do you know what a serial connection is?

yes

do you have an rpi? arduino?

got an arduino

do you know how to set up a serial connection from your arduino?

i do not

you will need to open your Kobo

12:22 AM

there are three ports you need to connect:

Kobo Tx -> Arduino Rx
Kobo Rx -> Arduino Tx
Kobo GND -> Arduino GND

seems simple enough

12:23 AM

do i just use a credit card?

Might need a precision knife first After that you can use a credit card

12:23 AM

Do not apply to much pressure, it can damage the screen

12:24 AM

Less if it's on the edges like in that case, but not if you are putting pressure on the back or on the main screen

got it

12:26 AM

as in i understand what youre saying

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Look up at an image of opened libra if near the edge a flex cable is hoig, if yes you need to be carefull

i havent opened it yet lol

alright back off, connected @tux-linux

what's the serial output?

i have no idea how to use minicom @tux-linux

look it up, there must be a way to interface with your arduino

1:12 AM

i don't have one

im supposed to get out of autoboot right @tux-linux

Yes Please stop pinging me

sorry

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Look at the Libra H2O porting thread for an idea of what we did

2:21 AM

Go to the beginning

2:22 AM

Also, disable automatic updates in Nickel

2:23 AM

But first you need to backup your emmc

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Potato

UG90YXRvCg==

4:16 AM

I did a thing

nice

4:16 AM

update to 1.9 now

No. Just the 1.5 on from the site

Yeah, sure, but now you can update to 1.9

4:17 AM

1.6 first (both files at once) http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.6/n705/ then 1.9 http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/update/1.9/n705/inkbox-update-1.9.upd.isa (edited)

4:17 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox#how-do-i-upgrade-inkbox

Weeda

I did a thing

You did a nice thing there

tux-linux

Yeah, sure, but now you can update to 1.9

For 1.6.... I'm not seeing the .inkbox folder not sure what im missing

What file manager are You using

Nautilus

What

7:24 AM

Just click a options to show hidden files

Yup, that would make complete sense. Didn't even think to turn it on

inkbox1.5to1.6

964 bytes

3:06 PM

I made a slightly more detailed noob friendly instructions for 1.5->1.6 upgrade. Feel free to use, modify or discard

nice

3:09 PM

we should put it on the wiki / download page

This was for the n705. Not sure if there is varience between models

I got 1.9 on. Looks really good. Seems to lock up after one or two actions/commands..... might be the processing power of the device?

which actions / commands?

5:17 PM

also, its a libra... do you have xorg enabled?

Just selecting a book or going to a menu

Szybet

also, its a libra... do you have xorg enabled?

?

It's a mini

oh

5:18 PM

mini

5:18 PM

well, its a mini

Lol

propably very slow

5:18 PM

you need to ask @tux-linux about that

5:19 PM

but thats my quess

Looks good though

Weeda

I got 1.9 on. Looks really good. Seems to lock up after one or two actions/commands..... might be the processing power of the device?

what do you mean by 'lock-up'?

I can open a book or a menu on forst start up. Seems to do nothing after that

6:31 PM

First*

have a video?

Yeah i can do one

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Hi everyone! Got inkvt working (for the most part, not sure if the version of fbink pulled in is truly playing nice) on the Elipsa, thought I’d help get InkBox/KoBox X11 working on the Elipsa

10:15 PM

https://youtu.be/5MAjt1sRgw8

Raycast [THCoH]

https://youtu.be/5MAjt1sRgw8

you will get banned

10:42 PM

i promise you that

10:42 PM

if you continue doing that

djhardrich

Hi everyone! Got inkvt working (for the most part, not sure if the version of fbink pulled in is truly playing nice) on the Elipsa, thought I’d help get InkBox/KoBox X11 working on the Elipsa

Nice! you can start a porting thread at #porting

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Good luck?

tux-linux

Good luck?

Great to meet you (and as someone who has put together a distro before, very impressed with your work at such a young age!!)

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We are dealing with an eMMC, a different SoC and a completely different framebuffer API Do you really, really, really want to port it? It will be hard But it is possible

I’ve got NiLuJe’s kobo toolchain up and running, and did a -lot- of sunxi stuff in the past (worked on CHIP/PocketCHIP)

Ok very good

11:07 PM

People like that are rare

Even a chrooted environment with the xdamage-fbink would be great

That's kobox

That was my thought (only saw kobox/inkbox last night)

You also know how to setup a serial connection I assume?

11:10 PM

You're not afraid of bricking? Actually, we should have FEL mode in there But still

Yes but not on the elipsa (I have a spare, can take it apart to wire an ftdi chip to it) (edited)

A spare elipsa?

And apparently FEL isn’t documented on the a50, but shrug

11:10 PM

Yes

and an rm2 if you ever want that supported as well (edited)

djhardrich

And apparently FEL isn’t documented on the a50, but shrug

We need to see if it's possible Then we can be a lot less careful

djhardrich

Yes

and an rm2 if you ever want that supported as well (edited)

FB API is closed source, it's handled in userspace Maybe once the reverse engineering team finish their project

I’m guessing a kernel rebuild is necessary for stuff like otg host but I’ll know more in 2 days (have a power splitter cable coming, may be able to just power vbus and have otg working)

tux-linux

FB API is closed source, it's handled in userspace Maybe once the reverse engineering team finish their project

Ahh for some reason I thought fbink supported it

Rm1 I think

got it

on all kobos i know usb otg is working only when the ereader is being charged

11:13 PM

maybe the elipsa is diffrent

Szybet

on all kobos i know usb otg is working only when the ereader is being charged

Which is fine if it works like that on the elipsa, I wouldn’t lose sleep over using the stock kernel with a mechanical keyboard/otg with small battery

11:14 PM

It definitely doesn’t work without external power

11:14 PM

the other hack is to just pair/trust a bt keyboard and mouse using hcitool and be done with it

There is kterm in KoBox Don't know if you prefer that to inkvt Both are nice

11:15 PM

There's also a VNC viewer

Probably, I’m super interested in using it (and also a vnc viewer)

Not sure how it will behave on such a large screen though

Basically ssh/vscode (even if remote)/maybe awesomewm/i3 would be perfection

KoBox uses i3

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I’ll start an actual thread later on tonight, wanted to ask NiLuJe if I was somehow doing something wrong for fbink/inkvt elipsa builds, since he’s built koreader/plato for elipsa

What's the elipsa's model number?

11:20 PM

Ok n604 it seems

I’ve got root if you need any more info/files pulled, really the only thing that doesn’t seem 100% as far as crossbuilds is the way inkvt (my build with fbink) is drawing to the elipsa’s screen (very slowly, “ls” takes like 40 seconds to draw 20 items (and doesn’t display 90% of the characters) (edited)

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11:26 PM

Weird because “ls” is the only command I’ve found so far that draws like that, if I do cat /proc/cpuinfo it isn’t as slow/character by character

I don't recall testing inkvt more than "whelp, echo works, I'm done" :p

1:38 PM

The weird collision handling on the Elipsa might not be entirely playing ball with it

1:38 PM

Without switching pen mode on

1:39 PM

Which has its own set of drawbacks (like, err, very easily crashing the EPDC :D

1:39 PM

(definitely start from my fork, though, it probably has a few fixes, and a mostly up to date fbink dép)

Wish I wrote more C and not Verilog these days

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A little out of my depth patching it, but will take a closer look and see what I can come up with (edited)

djhardrich

Wish I wrote more C and not Verilog these days

‍

A little out of my depth patching it, but will take a closer look and see what I can come up with (edited)

Anyways, we will probably have to look at it, InkBox is using FBInk in a lot of areas of the system

I’m willing to chip in to the bounty jar, I just know I’m out of my element a -hair- as far as hacking on fbink……

10:34 PM

Also had a thought; maybe the rm2 port of yaft (https://github.com/timower/rM2-stuff/tree/master/apps/yaft ) would be a good candidate for a minimal terminal with an ok on-screen-keyboard that can be hidden easily when using hardware keyboards…. Would need to be ported to use fbink; it’s a framebuffer terminal already… advantage is that people moving from rm2 would also feel at home (edited)

rM2-stuff/apps/yaft at master · timower/rM2-stuff

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Note: the issue I’m running into seems to be inkvt-specific, or rather; Plato/KoReader on Elipsa work -perfectly- when drawing to the screen, as does KoReader’s built in terminal (apart from missing keyboard support etc)

I don't think you've actually described the issue yet, though, did you? ;o) (edited)

12:17 AM

(yaft should be doable, it just happens to do its own fb drawing, but that can be arranged)

NiLuJe

I don't think you've actually described the issue yet, though, did you? ;o) (edited)

I can film a video, doing “ls” in inkvt doesn’t draw to the screen properly (90% of the characters aren’t drawn, and it’s refreshing character by character, making “ls” take 20-60 seconds depending on the size of the file list)

Okay, yeah, definitely sunxi collision handling being broke as fuck

12:19 AM

and even more broken on the Elipsa than on the Sage

12:19 AM

pen mode might help, or it might just murder the epdc

inkvt would be really usable with a keyboard otherwise (tested with keyboard paired to phone via bt and ssh’ed into elipsa, running inkvt and sending keys) (edited)

12:27 AM

Screen doesn’t always corrupt like that, but also probably worth noting

never experienced that in your releases of KoReader/Plato, if that helps Command was ls /usr/bin (edited)

Oh, nickel is running.

1:09 AM

That... won't help.

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1:10 AM

(as in, it's never going to work on an Elipsa. Might be slightly less worse on a Sage, but I wouldn't count on it)

Excuse my not knowing a -ton- of the inner workings as they regard to kobo-specific stuff, only started getting ereaders once the 10.3” ones came out

; killall nickel from ssh? So far all I’ve installed was the KoReader+Plato installer, your dev extras with ssh/other tools and this build of inkvt (just trying to give you as much info as possible) (edited)

1:14 AM

Or better; am I supposed to have nickel on here?

No corruption with nickel killed, but same issue and inkvt crashed before it finished the ls /usr/bin (edited)

Yeah, makes sense.

1:26 AM

Collision handling is broken as all hell on the Elipsa

1:26 AM

(And AUTO sucks on sunxi)

1:26 AM

InkVT relies extremely heavily on both of those things actually working ;o) (edited)

1:29 AM

(As well as dealing with a storm of tiny refresh ioctls, which ties into the whole "collision handling is broken" thing)

1:29 AM

Which is also why pen mode might 'help' (because it essentially disables collision merges)

1:30 AM

But it's also extremely finicky (it pegs a core to 100% cpu because it's a busy-looping kernel thread (sigh)), and has a tendency to just plain murder the epdc if you don't appease it every now and then.

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Bigger question: would chrooting and using fbink-xdamage with a different shell help/fix it? Or does the lack of solid collision handling break that as well? I’m not tied to any particular program outside of the chroot

Nope, it's a kernel issue.

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Is it because the kernel (4.19.x) is so old, or hasn’t been implemented in sunxi-linux (which I guess is mainline now?) (edited)

the display driver is just a horrible, horrible mess

Oof

NiLuJe

Nope, it's a kernel issue.

Good news is that you can patch it in InkBox

We are using our own kernels (edited)

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8:02 PM

?

aside

8:16 PM

it was 80+?

No?

8:39 PM

Always has been <60 until now

okay...

https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/vh0gqp/mobiscribe_enote_for_sale_85_includes_shipping/

r/eink - Mobiscribe e-note for sale $85 includes shipping and pen

2 votes and 1 comment so far on Reddit

5:06 PM

maybe someone will want this

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I'm just lurking around

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https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle_4_(amazon-yoshi) -> "Congratulations, you now have a much less useful e-reader device. But it's running mainline Linux, so there's that at least!" haha

Amazon Kindle 4 (amazon-yoshi)

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Where ??

2:19 PM

Where are the sources ?? I never heard of it

isint it sign locked?

https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/2636

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Some early work to get pmOS running on the Kindle 4/5 devices from 2011ish. It's based on the work located here and here: ...

3:11 PM

"This is starting with a very hobbled mainline kernel, because I dunno, I don't think downstream is an option? The Amazon GPL dumps are a metric barfload of Freescale patches mingled with Lab126 drive-by-hackery on kernel internals, based off 2.6.x. That seems too old to be useful, and I'm not particularly eager to try and rebase that code into 3.x land. So, mainline it is. Luckily, all the i.MX5xx SoC bits and pieces seem pretty well mainlined by this point. The Tequila board in the Kindle 4 uses a PMIC that also appears to have quite a lot of mainline kernel code already. So .." (edited)

3:17 PM

This guy should write comedy... "the hacked up U-Boot from 2009 that currently boots these devices does support fastboot, it's that strange one that makes everybody in the family kinda look at the floor when it comes up. You know?" (edited)

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Almost all eReaders <= 2016 I know run U-Boot 2009.08

"The way the initramfs is unceremoniously smooshed into some grey-market eMMC space is also gross, and doesn't really line up with any existing patterns for existing device ports. It's kinda like the isorec trick, but there's no actual spare partition to use, just random barely-legit-looking memory addresses that magically happen to have some gzipped cpio initramfs living there :)" Sounds like another device we know...

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Szybet

isint it sign locked?

"I'm getting to a point here though. From what I can tell, the bootloader on these devices is completely unlocked and open. U-Boot seems to just be living at 0x0 on partition 1 of the eMMC. I don't believe Amazon rolled out signed booting until the i.MX6+ based devices."

3:23 PM

excerpt from above

:( ok

Yeah, it's completely open

what does it mean that he can't port kernel 3 but can use mainline which is 5?

The 3.x port might have been easier to do than 5.x but since the Kindle kernel source is so heavily patched, it would just be too complicated to implement those patches in 3.x In 4.x the kernel switched to DTS/DTB files for describing hardware to the kernel, so patching is not really present anymore because DTBs cover pretty much all of the required info I think it's what he meant? (edited)

So that makes it easier to use a newer kernel?

3:33 PM

He's using kernel 5

Yeah, but harder to port first because you have to reverse-engineer a lot of memory addresses to tell the kernel where your memory, MMC, display, i2c, SPI components are (edited)

I just thought newer kernels would be even more far away from the original kernel used so nothing would be close to working or porting easily.

@NonaSuomy can i get a link to your sd card expander?

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This is the one I got they come in different lengths and also with a protective plastic cover depending what you want C$ 1.95 31％ Off | 25/48/62cm TF to micro SD card Flex Extension cable Extender Adapter TF Zip Extension cable Memory Card Extender Cord Linker https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0WmYkS

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3:08 PM

You can probably just remove that plastic if you want it thinner as to why I bought the first one not thinking…

3:10 PM

I can only vouch for receiving the first link. DYOR the second link I just searched for micro sd extender then sorted by cheapest then scrolled to t he first one I found.

is this part thicker? the black think between the cable and sd card

3:11 PM

if it is, it will apply force

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This is the one I got they come in different lengths and also with a protective plastic cover depending what you want C$ 1.95 31％ Off | 25/48/62cm TF to micro SD card Flex Extension cable Extender Adapter TF Zip Extension cable Memory Card Extender Cord Linker https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0WmYkS

i can 3d print this cover

Szybet

is this part thicker? the black think between the cable and sd card

That is just heat shrink around it to cover t he solder joints

i know, im asking

3:13 PM

becouse this could damage the real sd port in the long run

3:13 PM

if its really thicker

Oh like does it lift it off the board a bit?

exactly

One sec

if it lifts the sd card slot, the real one

Since you have a 3d printer maybe you also have kapton tape you could just put that on your board and cut the heat shrink off

i think about that

3:19 PM

can you make a detailed image of the "sd card"? i want to see where the traces on the pcb go

Mines in the side of the device so I can’t really tell but it would probably be fine

3:20 PM

Seems the slot is like half a mm off the board

nia has limites space soo

this looks good

Szybet

is this part thicker? the black think between the cable and sd card

and an image of this part just rotatet 180 degrees?

Szybet

and an image of this part just rotatet 180 degrees?

Explain further ?

ijmage of this part

3:25 PM

but rotated

3:25 PM

so i can see the traces on the pcb (edited)

okay thanks

3:33 PM

so i cant make it smaller

Let me see the sdcard slot of the nia

its in my kobo nia repo

URL?

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not an exact science but here you go

4:21 PM

you may clear that transistor

i hope it will be like that

if not you could probably file a little off the pcb

the resistor on the left may be a problem

Kapton tape will solve that

4:27 PM

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i hope

6:30 PM

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7:40 PM

3d printed replacement case for the nia

7:40 PM

a prototype, but a working one

7:42 PM

@NonaSuomy can you take measurements of the sd card expander? width, height etc

7:42 PM

I would be grateful

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What is the chance of porting inkbox to android?

11:48 AM

Or porting linux to an ereader having an android source?

There are many really cheap android readers, damaged ones are for 8$ or even below

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What is the chance of porting inkbox to android?

You know how it works internally, pretty much next to none But do you mean as an application or as an entire system?

i dont really know how android kernel differs from linux

tux-linux

You know how it works internally, pretty much next to none But do you mean as an application or as an entire system?

system

We tried with Sony It was a disaster @NonaSuomy can relate

you had there a random linux kernel

1:23 PM

what about creating one having only android sources?

Android is Linux

1:24 PM

But a patched Linux

macos is unix

1:24 PM

a patched unix

1:24 PM

and?

Szybet

you had there a random linux kernel

It was not a random Linux kernel It was a patched kernel for Android

1:26 PM

With Binder IPC for example

well okay

Szybet

what about creating one having only android sources?

but in the other way? depatch android?

Maybe

1:29 PM

I'm just seeing nightmares on the way

as always

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Heya :)

What brings you here?

Wanting to read books on eink, but not seeing any open source stuff for it. Besides InkBox I guess

What device are you on?

tbd :D

yes, we are the only ones

5:08 PM

there are other 5 dead eink distros

nabakolu

tbd :D

Buy a glo HD We don't currently support the Clara

nabakolu

tbd :D

?

Support is ongoing but it's very long (edited)

well, he can help with it

Szybet

?

Currently don't own a device. I'm checking what device with an open source OS to buy

5:10 PM

InkBox uses mupdf right?

90% of the members of this server join, then maybe say hi, then maybe stay here for a day or so, then lose interest and don't ever come back (In response to Szybet) (edited)

nabakolu

InkBox uses mupdf right?

Yes

tux-linux

90% of the members of this server join, then maybe say hi, then maybe stay here for a day or so, then lose interest and don't ever come back (In response to Szybet) (edited)

I might lose interest. But that's gonna take a while

we will see

Szybet has been here for 6 months

tux-linux

Yes

Does that mean all mupdf supported formats are supported, or only epub pdf and plaintext?

I am here since 1 1/2y

nabakolu

Does that mean all mupdf supported formats are supported, or only epub pdf and plaintext?

Only PDF and Epub

txts are supported too?

Plaintext is handled by quirky python

not python.

Which we didn't fix yet

rust

5:12 PM

it is fixed

Yes but it doesn't work

what?

Remember?

no?

5:12 PM

why?

tux-linux

Szybet has been here for 6 months

instead of reading books on an ereader i buyed i develop software for it (edited)

5:13 PM

tux-linux

Buy a glo HD We don't currently support the Clara

Why exactly the Glo and not the mini, touch, aura or nia?

*Glo HD

5:15 PM

All other ones have less RAM and are slower

its ok on the nia

Yes too

5:17 PM

But you get half the RAM and half the screen resolution

5:17 PM

And it might actually be more expensive

the price is stupid tho

Also how hard is it to remove the cover to get to the sd card?

on the nia? really hard

5:18 PM

i cant do this without an ifixit tool

is it easier on the glo hd?

Yes

I'm really bad with hardware. Just a software guy

i created a case replacement for the nia, and a replacement for the stock back, its 3d printable (edited)

5:20 PM

you can use a sd card expander with it and never open the device again

with a cable to outside the case?

yes

5:21 PM

you need some really good soldering skills

Szybet

i created a case replacement for the nia, and a replacement for the stock back, its 3d printable (edited)

its an option, only saying

In the end the maximum I could brake was the case right?

on the nia its solid, too solid so no worries for that

5:24 PM

there is a flex cable going near the edge, you need to look for it

5:24 PM

also the case gets ugly and destroyed if you open it too many times

Szybet

also the case gets ugly and destroyed if you open it too many times

thats the reason for the 3d print

5:28 PM

the nia has currently also battery issues with the kernel we got

5:29 PM

you will be safe with the glo HD, its older and everything propably works on it

Are they even being sold anymore? Can only find one for 300€

thats the issue propably

Szybet

the nia has currently also battery issues with the kernel we got

Meaning?

its worse than on the stock os

5:35 PM

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/117

Nia kernel sources are outdated · Issue #117 · kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

The kernel shipped with nickel is different in many ways ( battery consumption, touchscreen wake up calls ). Could we get an updated version in the repo, Please?

5:35 PM

becouse they dont update it

ah

Welp guess I'm buying a glo hd

good

at what price?

100€ (edited)

thats acceptable

no...

5:56 PM

i bought mine for $30

It is used, but apparently in good condition

well, if the screen is ok then the device should be ok

tux-linux

i bought mine for $30

Well the nia would be 100€ and the other glo hd 300€

its sad how ereaders are so expensive

5:57 PM

the hardware could be from 2010 android smartphones

Isn't eink quite expensive?

~70% of the cost of the nia costs a similar worse eink screen, a screen module without anything else (edited)

5:58 PM

even more

Szybet

~70% of the cost of the nia costs a similar worse eink screen, a screen module without anything else (edited)

true

and its because of... monopoly? idk english (edited)

because

6:00 PM

maybe

tux-linux

because

1

apk package manager exists right? (edited)

yes but don't count on using it

6:14 PM

eventually inkbox itself should separate completely from alpine and use a reproducible rootfs build tool

6:15 PM

because we are already stuck in 2019 with Alpine

6:15 PM

since... old kernels on 10+ years old devices

tux-linux

yes but don't count on using it

never count on alpine

6:15 PM

but i have used many i2c debug binaries and they worked, i installed them

6:15 PM

so some things are working

oh, things work

6:16 PM

but they are outdated

its better than building everything from scratch

if I want to put a new program in the rootfs, I try to compile it from source before resorting to apk if it really doesn't want to build

6:17 PM

90% of the time I put a compiled program with its most recent version

and then ntpd stops working, lights turn off and there is silence

6:17 PM

but i understand

I think I will use time.google.com for ntpd

6:18 PM

or time.apple.com

6:18 PM

these seem to work (edited)

️

then find something non-proprietary that works

p r i v a c y?

it's... a time server

tux-linux

these seem to work (edited)

really?

i don't think you get any privacy issues with time servers

Szybet

really?

yes, tried them

6:19 PM

i think

i will to

6:19 PM

weird

6:20 PM

kobo:/opt/config/20-sleep_daemon# /usr/local/bin/timesync.sh
ntpd: bad address '0.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address '1.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address '2.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address '3.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address 'time.apple.com'
ntpd: bad address 'time.google.com'
ntpd: bad address 'time.google.com'
ntpd: bad address 'time.apple.com'
ntpd: bad address '3.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address '2.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address '1.pool.ntp.org'
ntpd: bad address '0.pool.ntp.org'

6:20 PM

how

then ok

6:20 PM

it worked with ntpdate at least

6:20 PM

but pool.ntp.org didn't work with ntpdate

6:20 PM

only time.apple.com

6:20 PM

and maybe google

6:20 PM

wait I'll send the binary

dont use apple

6:21 PM

im fine with everything else ( proably ) (edited)

ntpdate

512.25 KB

kobo:/# ./ntpdate -u time.apple.com
29 Jul 18:34:25 ntpdate[15618]: step time server 17.253.54.125 offset +332259367.137346 sec
kobo:/# date
Fri Jul 29 18:34:27 CEST 2022
kobo:/# ./ntpdate -u 0.pool.ntp.org
29 Jul 18:34:50 ntpdate[15634]: adjust time server 194.29.130.252 offset -0.004787 sec
kobo:/# ./ntpdate -u 1.pool.ntp.org
29 Jul 18:35:13 ntpdate[15650]: adjust time server 213.199.225.40 offset +0.002900 sec
kobo:/# ./ntpdate -u time.google.com
29 Jul 18:35:33 ntpdate[15672]: adjust time server 216.239.35.8 offset -0.000918 sec
kobo:/#

6:35 PM

everything works

even stranger

use ntpdate, first try ntp.org pools, then google, and on the last place apple

ok

something will work

does it accept a list?

a file

/etc/ntp.conf

6:37 PM

try with that

29 Jul 18:38:17 ntpdate[15772]: no servers can be used, exiting

server 0.pool.ntp.org
server 1.pool.ntp.org
server 2.pool.ntp.org
server 3.pool.ntp.org

(edited)

6:39 PM

the word 'server' is probably the problem

nope

6:40 PM

idk the syntax for it

6:41 PM

ui->hCustomCaseBtn->click(); doesnt it trigger a function?

yes, and it doesn't matter

/dev/ipd/ is a complete bind mount of /run/ipd?

7:03 PM

it isin't

/kobo/dev/ipd is

7:05 PM

Switch to #dev

oh

tux-linux

yes but don't count on using it

I was wondering about git + gcc

why git? git would be slow, its using compression gcc is provided by the distro... we have 3 diffrent toolchains

12:42 AM

but git sure, you can use it

Szybet

why git? git would be slow, its using compression gcc is provided by the distro... we have 3 diffrent toolchains

idk, just crossed my mind it might be possible

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Okay I got my Glo HD, how do I actually open the back?

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Kobo+Glo+HD+eReader+Battery+Replacement/143903

Kobo Glo HD eReader Battery Replacement

Replace your dying battery to bring back the original power to your e-reader.

7:22 PM

wait for @tux-linux , but i heard he used a credit card for this

7:22 PM

i use this tool for the nia

7:24 PM

and a side note: his battery exploded, and if not he is lucky

7:27 PM

be gentle when opening these sections: you can damage the components if you press too hard

Szybet

and a side note: his battery exploded, and if not he is lucky

why?!

squishing lithium polimer batteries is bad.

7:38 PM

there is lithium inside them that is like paper - if you cut through them, and the layers connect - bum (edited)

7:38 PM

my explanation is bad though

7:39 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714599664569155712/997929778835374210/redditsave.com_ouch_thats_gotta_hurt-t53nthlk9t391-220.mp4

oh i see (edited)

dont play with batteries kids

Well it's open. The secret ingredient is more force than @nabakolu was comfortable with

1

every electronic device is hard to open first time

7:44 PM

i hoe you shut off the device before

Szybet

i hoe you shut off the device before

Yes

and now you disconnect the battery with something non conductive?

now it's hard for me to close the mini's back cover :P

dill

now it's hard for me to close the mini's back cover :P

3d print one

It actually booted

9:27 PM

Amazing stuff

nabakolu

It actually booted

no way

9:27 PM

:o

9:28 PM

have you made a backup of the original os?

yes

very good

I feel like I broke it tho

that was fast

9:29 PM

whats the issue

Yea plugged in the cable to my PC then it was unresponsive, so I thought I just reboot it and now its stuck like thius

9:31 PM

woooooooooooooooooooo

Is there a hard reboot option with the button?

press it until the diode will flicker

9:32 PM

it indicates that its rebooting

nabakolu

Click to see attachment 🖼️

It will be fixed in 2.0 release

Ok, any things I should do to make it not happen again?

tux-linux

It will be fixed in 2.0 release

a known bug or a new one?

nabakolu

Ok, any things I should do to make it not happen again?

dont touch until it wants you to touch it, at the first boot

Don't put it to sleep

Szybet

a known bug or a new one?

Known bug, FB depth

oh, this

tux-linux

Don't put it to sleep

Should I then also disable auto sleep?

Yes

Ok tyty

Ok what do I do when I can't unmount because device is busy? Just copied 3MB onto it :D

what os are you on

Guess im stupid

9:42 PM

My filemanager was still there

i though that

And Linux is the only anwser

very good

Holy the page turns are really fast

9:46 PM

The 1.5 demo on youtube is way slower

i requested a speed increase

I'm amazed

well, i dont

9:47 PM

there are some issues

9:47 PM

but i wont tell you about them ;p

Going to a chapter doesnt work right?

chapter in what way? book chapter?

Yes

there isin't an option for it at all

Okay

maybe some day

9:53 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And saving where I left?

works

9:53 PM

but i had issues with it

9:54 PM

it will be rewrited soon

Man you guys are amazing

@tux-linux is

9:54 PM

im here only for 6~ months

9:55 PM

i dont have really done many things

Szybet

but i had issues with it

Me too :D

nabakolu

Me too :D

which ones

tux-linux

which ones

global reading settings

10:20 PM

thats all you need to know :D

Szybet

@tux-linux is

you're both amazing man, come on

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And saving where I left?

You need to disable global reading settings in settings

Szybet

it will be rewrited soon

Why What issues

text to slider save phrases not words bugs bugs

5:36 PM

maybe not rewritted, but changed for sure

Szybet

text to slider save phrases not words bugs bugs

text to slider?

fit enough text that the slider isint needed

Oh

but this will go for 2.1 propably

1

Ideally we ought to get 2.0 out before the end of August so people don't think we vanished

after i finish niAudio pcb i will do the library widget folders, and wifi panel

5:39 PM

schematic almost done...

Cool

5:40 PM

I could implement highlighting in reader

5:40 PM

But I should probably wait for your rewrite before

if you implement saving phrases i wont rewrite much, i will add the slider text match to the existing code (edited)

Ok

but if no, i will simply rewrite it

tux-linux

Ideally we ought to get 2.0 out before the end of August so people don't think we vanished

Post that you are working on 2.0 and also post a list of 2.0 features

tux-linux

You need to disable global reading settings in settings

Ah nice. What is Global Reader settings supposed to do/represent?

nabakolu

Ah nice. What is Global Reader settings supposed to do/represent?

Something to do with saving reading progress. I'm here for 6 months and I don't know exactly anyway

isin' here too quiet?

1

1:56 AM

We have Wi-Fi on Glo everyone bcmdhd is crap but it works

1:58 AM

It will probably work on mini + touch C too

WOOOOOO

1

10:05 AM

HOW

@MKlomp

10:20 AM

you wanted wifi

Szybet

HOW

Firmware issue

you mean?

1:38 PM

further explanation?

Basically in /lib/firmware in the stock root filesystem there are firmware files for Wi-Fi In 2021 it seems I only tested with WC121 and not WC121A2 Maybe that and a bit flip

3:02 PM

Works on Mini

nice

3:03 PM

does iwlist eth0 scan work?

yes

3:08 PM

You don't seem to handle if the led option is enabled or not when initially turning the led on if the device is charging

i dont understand?

When the device is charging, is powered on but led option is disabled The led still turns on

when you disconnect / connect the charger it still turns on?

It seems to

impossible...

I'm testing it on the mini

3:59 PM

Yes it's possible

void ledManager() {
  if (ledUsage == true) {
    if (occupyLed.try_lock() == true) {
      occupyLed.unlock();
      if (getAccurateChargerStatus() == true) {
        if (ledState == 0) {
          setLedState(true);
        }
      } else {
        if (ledState == 1) {
          setLedState(false);
        }
      }
    }
  }
}

What's newSleepCondition exactly?

the first if

3:59 PM

how

tux-linux

What's newSleepCondition exactly?

it says what caused the suspend

4:01 PM

isint used for anything, but can be usefull in the future

4:01 PM

leave it, its only one variable and one mutex

So it seems it doesn't notifySend when it's idle

Szybet

isint used for anything, but can be usefull in the future

I use it

for what?

tux-linux

So it seems it doesn't notifySend when it's idle

????

limited internet access rg notifySend

it seems like your entire config is flipped over what you think it is

tux-linux

limited internet access rg notifySend

i still dont understand

4:02 PM

can you show me the config dir?

rg = ripgrep

4:02 PM

So you can see where it is

what...

In watchdog.cpp:59

what are you doing there>

4:04 PM

why.........

4:04 PM

why only show this when idle?

4:04 PM

you have broken it completly

4:04 PM

you dont use a mutex

4:05 PM

say what is needed to be done and i will do it, dont break things

Szybet

why only show this when idle?

When not idle

4:05 PM

It works on every other device (edited)

4:05 PM

Except mini

tux-linux

When not idle

oh

4:05 PM

show me you config dir

4:05 PM

cat it

What file

cat /data/config/20-*/*

/data/config/20-sleep_daemon/1-cinematicBrightnessDelayMs: 50 /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/2-cpuGovernor: ondemand /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/3-whenChargerSleep: false /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/4-chargerWakeUp: false /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/5-wifiReconnect: true /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/6-ledUsage: true /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/7-idleSleep: 0 /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/8-customCase: false /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/9-deepSleep: false /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/appsList: inkbox-bin oobe-inkbox-bin lockscreen-bin calculator-bin qreversi-bin 2048-bin scribble lightmaps /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/updateConfig: false

/data/config/20-sleep_daemon/6-ledUsage: true /data/config/20-sleep_daemon/7-idleSleep: 0

4:16 PM

hehe

Yeah and?

led is enabled

4:28 PM

idle sleep is off

4:28 PM

and you are complaining about them

The notify send toast doesn't show up any time, whether idle sleep is enabled or not

4:28 PM

The led is not powering on

only on the mini?

Yes

4:32 PM

And it's the same path

you have broken some things

4:36 PM

i will fix them later

Which are

mutexes for sure

Ok

4:36 PM

But why is the led not powering on

4:37 PM

And why does it work on the Glo Which literally has the same path

try it on the shell?

4:37 PM

echo it?

Yes I did

weird

4:44 PM

is write status 0?

4:46 PM

i mean write(dev, "100", 3);

4:46 PM

get an int from that and log it, what it is

Ok

4:50 PM

Now it powers on Nonsense

maybe you had an outdated version od ipd?

I doubt it

try the led too

Repacked rootfs with newly built binary, no led again

4:58 PM

Even after stop/start ipd

you mean?

The led never lights up

wait 30s?

Unless I go to suspend

Szybet

wait 30s?

Why

just do it

Ok it works after 30s

4:59 PM

But why is it like that

the charger detection propably doesnt wo... okay

5:00 PM

becouse inkbox.sh is turning it off

5:00 PM

and after some time at first boot ipd checks one more time the led to be sure

5:00 PM

on the nia its instand, the mini is slower? faster?

So could you handle turning it off or not at startup and I remove those lines from inkbox.sh? (edited)

sure

Caution, for some devices there is a specific sequence to follow initially it seems

???

5:02 PM

couldn't you turn the led off when the initrd starts openrc services?

5:02 PM

not in the last stage?

I could too

Szybet

???

Check inkbox.sh

earlier

5:03 PM

its too late

Ok now the toast shows up

without any change?

Please fix what you said was to fix

Szybet

without any change?

Yes

later

tux-linux

Yes

outdated ipd version

No It didn't show up at launch

5:14 PM

Only now

so i have only to do the mutex and idle sleep time chooser?

Oh no It shows up right after restarting it now

?

Wait I'll reboot to be sure

5:16 PM

But why do I need to deal with mutexes if I only check the value of an enum

well, becAUse thats how mutexes work (edited)

5:17 PM

read about them

5:17 PM

pretty cool things

because

AU

Well now it works after restarting

5:19 PM

You should try it on the Nia I don't see what could be broken

what works?

Toast

if you break mutexes, things can break randomly

Ok

5:21 PM

But why wasn't there anything related to mutexes there in the first place

there is

5:22 PM

everywhere

Then what's wrong in my commit

you dont lock the mutex

5:22 PM

before checking

Oh ok

i will do it

5:22 PM

dont touch

It's one line?

3

5:23 PM

4

5:23 PM

5

5:23 PM

5 exactly

Ok

5 if you do it right, so let me do it

Test if it still works before pushing

i always test

Ok So I move led things to initrd rcS?

5:24 PM

Wouldn't it be simpler to just turn it off from ipd service before it starts?

your decission

Ok

tux-linux

Wouldn't it be simpler to just turn it off from ipd service before it starts?

After that we don't need to change anything in ipd source code?

Ok now after moving led turnoff to ipd service, it doesn't work until I suspend

5:51 PM

Actually it isn't realizing that it's charging

decide what solution you want and i will implement it

First find the problem

what is the problem?

Why does it know it's charging when trying to sleep but not when it needs to light the led up

it doesnt

?

what is the problem

5:53 PM

without goind to sleep

It knows how to turn on the led on suspend and wake up But not when it's charging E.g. it turns it on on wake up but then it immediately turns it off even if it's charging

Szybet

you have broken some things

Maybe it's actually all related?

5:55 PM

Also we need to move to #dev

tux-linux

Maybe it's actually all related?

maybe

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/case/guide.md I finally found time to share this

niAudio/guide.md at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

great

12:43 AM

thanks

im learning this slowly ;p

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https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/commit/06270094c773c8ce024cabc1ff75467ab936c5c7

i.MX 507: Wi-Fi support · Kobo-InkBox/kernel@0627009

This commit provides Wi-Fi capabilities (CyberTAN chip) for the following devices:

Kobo Mini (N705)
Kobo Touch C (N905C) | Not yet tested but should work
Kobo Glo (N613)

what did you actually changed?

I compiled the dhd.ko module and I added the correct firmware files

separate compiling of a kernel module?

I compiled the dhd.ko module

WHAT

shouldnt it be just make modules?

did it...

12:46 AM

work?

Szybet

shouldnt it be just make modules?

no, first I had to integrate it in the tree

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

@dill

with some random script from a MR guy

what...

then fiddle with random issues

12:46 AM

and random issues and more random issues (edited)

so kobo shared an uncomplete kernel again?

and more random issues

Szybet

so kobo shared an uncomplete kernel again?

(almost) always (edited)

12:47 AM

they provided the wifi module source separately

12:47 AM

its propably the IC manufacturer fault

tux-linux

It will probably work on mini + touch C too

iiiiiiiiiiiiloveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

try it

jkjk

and learn how the os works at the same time

me?

update it manually yourself

12:48 AM

yes

alright when i hvae time

12:48 AM

am not home rn

ask szybet or me, we are knowledgeable about the subject

dill

alright when i hvae time

you never have time

Szybet

you never have time

true

12:48 AM

am busy

you didnt tested sanki yet

mini

and?

exactly, and?

12:49 AM

do you know how rare it is?: "I want this app ported to this platform" "Ok give me some time, i will rewrite it from 0"

12:49 AM

;p

yeah what i mean is, i'm on a mini and im very busy

it should work on the mini

alright i'll do it when i get home hopefully

12:50 AM

i'm going to have a lot of spare time, i may have broken my foot

oops

yep

12:51 AM

:p

you alright?

yeah, it's getting better fast

12:51 AM

thankfully

good

thats bad

yep :p

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2:11 PM

Why in earth do you put 5G in an ereader

2:11 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348013

Could this be the next Kobo Clara HD or Nia iteration? - MobileRea...

Could this be the next Kobo Clara HD or Nia iteration? Kobo Reader

tux-linux

Why in earth do you put 5G in an ereader

no sense

2:22 PM

but

2:22 PM

tolibo has some contracts with a german internet supplier, maybe because of that

I mean why not ? it makes sense to me, direct access to any library anywhere, at anytime. Now, would I invest more for it ? No. But if it's there and my phone provider can provide a second sim card for free.... Meh why not.

it will be propably like that: no sim card but one day, you will lose the 5G because the contract runned out ( just like it was on kindles )

5g access simless ? That I've never seen before.

4:36 PM

still I wouldn't fight for nor against it. I don't really care, I don't read enough to burn throught all my books in between each time I have access to some wifi.

also 5G... i dont think its very power efficient + 5G towers have really low range ( because thats from where the speed comes from ) so outside of cities, lets say on a beach you wont get any signal why didnt they used 4G LTE? its everywhere, and the speeds are too good to transfer... books

Aramir

5g access simless ? That I've never seen before.

i doubt there vere sim cards inside kindles

4:37 PM

for me putting 5G in a ereader is stupid, its not a technology for that

https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/comparison/2e3a19c0f2 looks like kindles do have micro sim

4:39 PM

and yeah 4g lte might makes more sense. Even mangas/comics/cbz are around 100Mb so it doesn't take that long to download using 4g (edited)

It's 5G as in the WiFi 5GHz band (edited)

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5:15 PM

(ac/ax)

5:15 PM

(Already supported on sunxi devices)

Aaaaaah, makes sense (edited)

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@Szybet https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/965447646066126888/1004834420802457690 doubting my download link clicking skills?

there are like 3 diffrent n905* models

3:27 PM

confusing for everyone

luckily I dont have an n905*

oh ok then

4:00 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

By the way Discors released a new forum feature so that could be useful

1:32 AM

@tux-linux

What

8:00 AM

Where

But can its data be exported once they ll stop supporting in a year?

There is an open source discord chat exporter

Some... artwork

lmao

4:36 AM

...nice

1

4:36 AM

what distro?

Gentoo

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https://shopkits.eink.com/product/atelier-with-13-3%CB%9D-acep-display-ac133ut1/?utm_content=217140110&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin&hss_channel=lcp-21469

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Atelier with 13.3˝ E Ink Gallery™ Plus Display (AC133UT1) —【Glass】

12:28 PM

*jaw drops*

Looks good, what about the refresh rate ?

$799?

WHAT

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hello

3:04 AM

are there compilation instructions for inkbox

3:04 AM

I can't seem to find them

for what do you want to compile it?

nwroot

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for the kobo nia

isn't there already an image?

3:07 AM

or you want to modify the software itself?

Ye

ok

but I want to build it myself

tux-linux

or you want to modify the software itself?

this also

@Szybet has a Nia and contributes a lot to my code

3:08 AM

he is asleep right now but he will be able to guide you if you run into problems for the Nia

3:08 AM

TBH, you would be better off flashing the image and then compiling only the parts you want to change

3:09 AM

have you read about the security features this OS has?

ye

3:09 AM

the kernel enforces signatures

3:09 AM

which I also want to disable

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=General_information

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md

nwroot

which I also want to disable

you ... can't really (well, if you do, I will not accept the PR ^^) but you can build and sign all packages yourself if you want which we can guide you through (edited)

3:11 AM

it is designed with the possibility that one day it could be implemented on a custom device that could sell like a kobo

3:11 AM

one day

3:12 AM

you can also obtain a developer key, which eases signature verification a bit

tux-linux

you ... can't really (well, if you do, I will not accept the PR ^^) but you can build and sign all packages yourself if you want which we can guide you through (edited)

haha ofc

3:14 AM

I am talking about building without it

what if you built it with your own keypair?

3:14 AM

this removes all the restrictions

That would also work

except you can't update it without compiling packages yourself

3:15 AM

which is not hard

yeah

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/imgtool/blob/main/release.bash

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

3:16 AM

some idea on what the porting process was like for the Nia

3:16 AM

kernel build is automated by a script

owo

3:21 AM

thanks

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3:21 AM

I will try those

please note

If I succeed I may actually contribute to your project

there is an automated image builder

tux-linux

there is an automated image builder

oh?

imgtool/release.bash at main · Kobo-InkBox/imgtool

Reproducible image builder for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/imgtool development by creating an account on GitHub.

3:22 AM

which was a nightmare to write

Lmao

3:22 AM

well it works

yes

3:23 AM

but you need to set up the gui part yourself

3:23 AM

qt + arm toolchain

tux-linux

qt + arm toolchain

thats the inkbox repo right?

3:23 AM

I mean

3:23 AM

that's what I build with the qt toolchain

well actually you don't

3:24 AM

but you need to if building for yourself (custom keypair) or if you want to get the latest commits

nwroot

that's what I build with the qt toolchain

yes

3:24 AM

koxtoolchain

tux-linux

koxtoolchain

I just need a "kobo" toolchain right?

3:25 AM

I mean, "kobo" toolchain works for all kobo devices

https://github.com/koreader/koxtoolchain

GitHub - koreader/koxtoolchain: Build script for various toolchains...

Build script for various toolchains used by KOReader - GitHub - koreader/koxtoolchain: Build script for various toolchains used by KOReader

or do I need to use another one or patch something for the specific device

tux-linux

https://github.com/koreader/koxtoolchain

ye

you have that one?

kindle
    kindle5
    kindlepw2
    kobo
    nickel
    remarkable
    cervantes
    pocketbook
    bookeen

3:26 AM

that's the platforms

yeah, take kobo

I just choose "kobo" and let it do its thing right?

3:26 AM

alright

you already built it?

no but I will build everything now

3:26 AM

I am taking a backup of my SD rn

ok good

question, the private key needed

3:32 AM

how do I generate one

https://www.bradfordembedded.com/2016/06/openssl-file-signing two first commands in that webpage

btw

3:40 AM

that script gets the userspace apps from 23.163.0.39

3:40 AM

can I build these myself?

what are you talking about exactly?

I'm guessing those are the ones in the inkbox repo

3:40 AM

    CURRENT_VERSION=$(wget -q -O - "${PKGS_BASE_URL}/bundles/inkbox/native/update/ota_current")
    printf "%s\n" "${CURRENT_VERSION}" | root_command tee -a "${MOUNT_BASEPATH}/user/update/version"
    wget "${PKGS_BASE_URL}/bundles/inkbox/native/update/${CURRENT_VERSION}/${DEVICE}/inkbox-update-${CURRENT_VERSION}.upd.isa"
    unsquashfs "inkbox-update-${CURRENT_VERSION}.upd.isa" -extract-file update.isa
    root_command cp -v squashfs-root/update.isa "${MOUNT_BASEPATH}/user/update/update.isa"

yes, you can

3:40 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/gui-bundle/blob/main/release.sh

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InkBox GUI bundle contents and generation script. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/gui-bundle development by creating an account on GitHub.

3:41 AM

you need to have the gui part compiled

3:41 AM

then you can run that script

okay

3:41 AM

thank

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For the kernel I suppose the rooted kernel is better for doing dev stuff

3:48 AM

The standard kernel is far too restrictive

yes, it's better

3:49 AM

the standard kernel is for the end-user

[ERROR] cc1: error: no include path in which to search for stdc-predef.h

3:55 AM

Huh

3:56 AM

the koxtoolchain build failed with a mysterious error

I'm not the maintainer for this one

https://wiki.debian.org/toolchain/BootstrapIssues#stdc-predef.h_not_found

3:56 AM

ye

Lmao

4:10 AM

deleted everything and retried

4:10 AM

it worked now

good

Btw I need both the linaro toolchain and the koxtoolchain right?

4:11 AM

or just the kox one

the linaro toolchain is included in the kernel repo

4:11 AM

so you just need to compile the kox one

Alright

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/kernel/config/config-n306#L130

5:26 AM

is it me or this hardcoded path is just wrong

you need a symlink

Oh, alright

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Alright so managed to build the kernel and the rootfs

congratulations

however I can't figure out how to actually compile inkbox

6:06 AM

qmake?

yes

6:06 AM

qmake && make

any qmake? it seems to be using my arch compiler

the qmake you compiled

or will it use the toolchain automagically

you did compile qt?

Uh

6:07 AM

I did the koxtoolchain script

that's only half the way

that doesn't have qt doesnt it

6:07 AM

oh well

6:08 AM

do I want a specific version of Qt?

6:08 AM

or do I just grab the latest and compile

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/apps-on-kobo/qt-setup.md

6:08 AM

grab 5.15.2

6:09 AM

good luck

thanks

if it doesn't work I can send you my binaries but you seem to want to learn all of this yourself so go ahead

Yeah

6:10 AM

I wanted to compile the kernel, boot and userspace

6:10 AM

rootfs uhhh

6:10 AM

no thanks

you don't have to compile the platform plugin

6:10 AM

(here https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/apps-on-kobo/qt-setup.md#install-your-custom-qt-to-kobo)

6:10 AM

it's already on the gui-bundle and should work

sorry to keep bothering you, but I finished compiling Qt and inkbox's bin

7:01 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/emu/tree/main/sd

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InkBox OS emulator. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/emu development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:01 AM

however the release scripts pulls these blobs

7:01 AM

what are they?

U-Boot+firmware blobs we don't have control over

Oh

e.g. waveform

alright

For the waveform, maybe you should take the one from your backup

tux-linux

e.g. waveform

what is waveform?

7:15 AM

I'm googling and its some magic partition

https://misc.andi.de1.cc/kobo/extract-waveform.pl

7:16 AM

Run that on your sd card backup

ok

Then you need to reflash it to InkBox sd card I think it's at offset 14336 but I don't remember for sure

7:17 AM

Maybe Szybet can help, it's 1.17am here

It's alright

7:17 AM

thanks for the help

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Normally it shouldn't be a problem but on some Kindles if you don't have the appropriate waveform for your device exactly the screen can stop working

7:18 AM

I never saw that happen on Kobos with my InkBox images

7:19 AM

So I think Kobos are ok with that

7:19 AM

But the best thing is to have your own waveform

I extracted the waveform

7:20 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/emu/blob/main/sd/user.sqsh.a

7:20 AM

Is this buildable?

7:21 AM

or should I just use it

Use it

tux-linux

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/apps-on-kobo/qt-setup.md

Heyyy

9:22 AM

There is a script for self compiling everything with qt, toolchain etc in docker

9:22 AM

The guide is in a folder below

nwroot

for the kobo nia

Do you want to 3d print a case

? Only informing

tux-linux

Then you need to reflash it to InkBox sd card I think it's at offset 14336 but I don't remember for sure

I'm the kobo nia thread is the information for 100%

Off topic: Edeka shops in Germany are using thousands ( in a single shop ) 3 color sink displays to show prices

10:54 AM

That's really cool, maybe eink will get cheaper because of demand

Hello

5:41 PM

I managed to create the image and flash it

5:41 PM

success!

5:42 PM

however I'm not sure the rooted flag worked

You learn faster than anyone else Congrats (edited)

5:42 PM

Picture?

ye it didnt boot a first

5:42 PM

I forgot to change the keys to my own

5:43 PM

So I changed them and it booted

Good

5:43 PM

key.sqh?

Ye

1

5:43 PM

changed them all to my own

Good

5:44 PM

dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 skip=79872 count=1?

hold on

you could write a guide from your own experience if you want

00000000  72 6f 6f 74 65 64 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |rooted..........|
00000010  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
00000200

It's there

5:46 PM

What doesn't work

maybe I missed where all the root features where

5:46 PM

are they on settings?

You need to enable usbnet

Ohh

echo true > P1/flags/USBNET_ENABLE

5:47 PM

There is a full wiki page on flags

btw

5:47 PM

the onboard storage is an image

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_flags

can I just resize it (edited)

Yes

5:47 PM

You need to create a new one

is it just fat32?

Yes

ok ok

tux-linux

Picture?

Would be nice to see

I am on uni rn

6:07 PM

Once I get back to my house I will send a picture

Ok

Btw, some apps require a physical back button to exit

6:59 PM

but the nia doesnt have one

6:59 PM

How do I get around this

nwroot

Btw, some apps require a physical back button to exit

which ones

nwroot

but the nia doesnt have one

none ereader does

Szybet

which ones

calculator, for example

7:15 PM

or if I tell it to go to USB mode

7:15 PM

I can't tell it to return unless in plug in the usb

nwroot

calculator, for example

calculator needs a rewrite, i will do this one day ( @tux-linux please put the source on github )

Szybet

none ereader does

false

nwroot

How do I get around this

reboot

nwroot

I can't tell it to return unless in plug in the usb

thats because there is no way to detect if you umounted the usbms. if you find a solution, let us know. kobo uses some kernel hacking propably

Szybet

thats because there is no way to detect if you umounted the usbms. if you find a solution, let us know. kobo uses some kernel hacking propably

no I mean

7:17 PM

if I for example accidentally press it

You need to unplug

7:17 PM

Press what

Let's say that I'm to settings page and fatfinger the "enable usb"

7:17 PM

other than rebooting can I tell it to leave in some other way

7:18 PM

also interestingly my kobo has a 16gb sdcard

7:18 PM

yet the partitions all end on 8gb

nwroot

other than rebooting can I tell it to leave in some other way

maybe we may implement it? its cool

7:18 PM

the kobo nia on inkbox has some free space

7:19 PM

you can use more than on stock

is there something like a terminal emulator inside inkbox?

7:20 PM

other than SSH'ing in

Yes there is

where

But I need to update the user app

7:21 PM

Or you can just use kterm in x11

tux-linux

Yes there is

it doesnt work?

7:23 PM

yet

Finally pulled the trigger and got a proper case replacement (and SD card extension) for my Glo, now I can finally properly test InkBox.

10:55 PM

And somehow the touchpad is now fully working, no more deadzones.... I guess the little IR blockers or whatever on the side of the screens were broken / bent too.

Great, did you install it?

Not yet but very soon ™️ I'll post some glamour shot when done. (edited)

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we are progressing for 2.0, 1.9 is really different in comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJrD-XcuPM

https://tools.suckless.org/sic/

InkBox OS 2.0 preview

Is there a snapshot/beta version build btw ?

you can compile it yourself

11:47 PM

or I can send you a package (edited)

11:48 PM

tell me when you've installed 1.9

ok then, thanks

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aight stupid question incoming, Kobo Clara HD support? I see no mention in the downloads section

12:28 AM

i plan to stay no matter the answer

he's working on it i believe

12:28 AM

OHHH wait

ah

12:28 AM

understandable

i might get one

mari

aight stupid question incoming, Kobo Clara HD support? I see no mention in the downloads section

you can help port it

and choke like 90% of people

12:29 AM

hehe

i have no experience with anything more complex than shell scripting lol

tux-linux

and choke like 90% of people

lmao yeah

mari

i have no experience with anything more complex than shell scripting lol

SAME

this is still a really cool project

thanks

same with Kobox

they actually have been merged together

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I'm aware

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1:21 AM

@kobolibrah2o user welp it seems you joined even before I posted my GH reply ;p

hello

1:21 AM

I am that guy

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check #porting / Kobo Libra H2O for details

okay

1:21 AM

do you guys have a matrix chat or something like that

1:21 AM

irc xmpp etc

no, sorry

would be cool but no worries I have a discord account that I was planning on deleting anyway so I can use this server for the time being

ok

I cannot count how many times I've tried to leave discord but honestly I've got too much interesting stuff here to leave

1:32 AM

anyway my brain is beckoning to attempt a triple boot of PMOS, xcsoar, and Nickel and honestly I am pretty sure that that will never work but I've done arcane shit before so who knows

tbh I left but realised I forgot to delete this account

wait postmarket is alpine wtf am I doing

yeah it is

mari

wait postmarket is alpine wtf am I doing

InkBox project is unrelated to this

1

i am aware, this is unrelated experiments of my own, prolly shoulda moved to offtopic now that I think about it....

Don't worry, there is much worse than this as off-topic content

1

good to know

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mari

anyway my brain is beckoning to attempt a triple boot of PMOS, xcsoar, and Nickel and honestly I am pretty sure that that will never work but I've done arcane shit before so who knows

Lmaooo

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do you guys have a matrix chat or something like that

I can do this, + a matrix to here bridge using a go progeam which name I forgot

9:36 AM

Well hello everyone new (edited)

Szybet

I can do this, + a matrix to here bridge using a go progeam which name I forgot

But more than 3 people would like to use it so

mari

anyway my brain is beckoning to attempt a triple boot of PMOS, xcsoar, and Nickel and honestly I am pretty sure that that will never work but I've done arcane shit before so who knows

The easiest way I see this is 3 SD cards and a logic switcher IC

1

Xcsoar already has a button in the menu to reboot into nickel

ok well then

Szybet

I can do this, + a matrix to here bridge using a go progeam which name I forgot

we could also port a matrix chat program to chat on kobo

i already looked into it

4:41 PM

there is nheko

me too

4:41 PM

nheko seems like a nightmare to compile

4:41 PM

and to run

matrix is hackable as ... making a simple client would be easy

probably

without encryption but yes

i once ran the official telegram client on my libra (edited)

4:42 PM

it worked

4:42 PM

really well

telegram is bad

4:44 PM

worce than discord

why

better in privacy than fb? no better for security than matrix? no as many features as in discord? no

nheko is great I use it

6:13 PM

I talk to the guy who created it on a regular basis haha

it might be great but not so great to cross-compile for an ereader

we could have a simple irc client on kobo

6:14 PM

there are various suckless irc clients that are a few hundred lines of c

6:15 PM

you could always use something like weechat

6:15 PM

that has a matrix addon

6:15 PM

its all terminal based so it should be fine

noone uses irc

6:16 PM

and i wont

I use irc and a lot of people do irc is a great place

no and no

6:21 PM

sorry

6:21 PM

i also used it

6:21 PM

its just stupid

6:21 PM

matrix exists

irc is ok

9:45 PM

i use irc and similar on pubnixes or the likr

Deleted User

there are various suckless irc clients that are a few hundred lines of c

While i have personal issues with suckless im putting them aside for this where does one find these

okay

9:47 PM

9:47 PM

there are a few other irc ones on the site

hell combined with something like bitlbee you can combine multiple protocols under just an irc client

9:48 PM

but first things first, getting an actual client running

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=InkBox_GUI_user_apps will help you

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

9:49 PM

after you successfully compile one

9:49 PM

(preferably qt)

https://tools.suckless.org/ii/ ok this is cool as heck

tux-linux

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=InkBox_GUI_user_apps will help you

I dont have a device to run inkbox on

9:50 PM

does inkbox have a terminal emulator by any chance?

mari

does inkbox have a terminal emulator by any chance?

in x11, yes

9:50 PM

in user apps, not really

Ill see what i can do, in a couple days i gotta go in get my wisdom teeth removed lol

good luck

weird question but I have a device that is supported and it says that it needs 4gb of space for the sd card

1:29 AM

what happens if I have less than that and try to dd the image

1:29 AM

it wont work I know but like what error message will show

1:29 AM

because I been trying it so far and like I just have the dd process running for like 30 mins now

1:29 AM

still on going

1:31 AM

just cancelled it and nothing happened

1:31 AM

the device is the n905b

anyway so I put an external 8gb card to the device and yeah finished dd into it but nothing happens

2:25 AM

it just tells me to please set up my ereader

you need to replace the internal SD card (edited)

2:38 AM

what website is that

2:42 AM

I might be seeing the wrong one

2:42 AM

http://inkbox.ddns.net/installation.html

2:42 AM

I was using this

2:43 AM

URL is written

I will add it

thanks

2:50 AM

but yeah after taking apart the devices literally to scraps

2:50 AM

I realised I got the wrong model of ereader

2:50 AM

this doesn't even have an internel sd card thats removable

2:50 AM

n905 not b or c sadly

huh???

N905A?

yeah

2:57 AM

most likely

Well you're screwed

haha

2:57 AM

whats up with the n905a

Has an emmc

ebay doesn't accept returns

2:57 AM

it was only like 35 bucks

2:58 AM

so its not too bad

2:58 AM

got a slightly cracked screen that i can re use

Well, try a mini, idk

2:58 AM

Or a glo

I have a libra h2O that I will do it on

2:58 AM

so there is that

You know that it's... difficult to install

yeah I know, don't worry I know there isn't any liability or something so if I do break it its a skill issue

2:59 AM

but that wont stop me from trying

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but you can still install it on eemc?

Yes but it's not ported yet

8:36 AM

They can contribute (edited)

what hour is in canada?

i waked up and you are online

8:37 AM

thats strange

8h37 - 6h

3 am

Yeah almost

I've been tinkering with init

8:38 AM

Got really far

8:38 AM

With some strange issues

because its c

Like posix spawn doesn't want to wait for process

8:40 AM

Is fakePid an actually valid implementation?

i think so?

8:40 AM

maybe the posix spawn in c has a diffrent usage

8:41 AM

well syntax

8:41 AM

but

8:41 AM

there is wait for process below

8:41 AM

you know?

8:41 AM

can you show me the code?

I don't know I just have the feeling that waitpid isn't waiting on the right pid

that wpuld create many zombie processes you know?

8:42 AM

try to go to sleep many times and then check if there are any zombies

8:42 AM

if not, its working correctlt

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init/blob/main/init.c#L68-L79

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InkBox OS' initialization program source. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init development by creating an account on GitHub.

Szybet

try to go to sleep many times and then check if there are any zombies

It's init

8:43 AM

I have a lot of uncommitted changes but this function stayed the same

waitpid doesnt wait?

It doesn't seem to

8:46 AM

At least not every time

maybe diffrennt arguments are needed

8:46 AM

because now there are 0 p

8:46 AM

0

8:46 AM

0 0

Yea

tux-linux

At least not every time

well i hope you writed everywhere tru to wait

Yes

8:47 AM

Unless I didn't need it But that's not where the problem happens

you need it

8:48 AM

because you will create zombie processes

What if I want a background process

be sure it doesnt die or collect it later

8:49 AM

ask niluje, its c

Ok

8:50 AM

Please review Wi-Fi GUI after xorg

8:50 AM

List networks bug

i will

1

8:50 AM

amd i will simply work with turned xorg

?

8:52 AM

I also updated ipd in the rootfs You will need to update GUI bundle and rootfs anyway

Szybet

what hour is in canada?

pretty sure it was 2 am

7:27 PM

why were you online???

sleep is temporary writing inkbox is eternal

true

Szybet

sleep is temporary writing inkbox is eternal

Yep thanks

OfficerAction

actually i also have a musl build lol

.

3:17 PM

Time travel

well can he share it?

3:19 PM

im lazy

If he comes back online

3:20 PM

You know

dill

also another bug: when i hit cancel on the file manager, it takes me to my recently read book

@Aramir : example (edited)

Got early access to DALL-E This is what it generated with A Claude Monet painting of a computer programmer sitting at his computer. Astounding

wow

8:32 PM

well skynet

the first month you can generate 50 sets of pictures for free then every other month you have 15 free and you can buy more if needed

Talk about timing ! I just installed stable-diffusion (tldr : it's open source DALL-E running on local gpu) yesterday

this exists?

8:33 PM

more than awesome

maybe ask dalle for an logo for inkbox

Can it run on an AMD GPU?

Szybet

maybe ask dalle for an logo for inkbox

it needs a detailed description

if you wanna give it a try you can install it the hard way https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/how-to-run-stable-diffusion-locally-to-generate-images/ or pick one of the many "all included" package, eg for windows I use this one https://grisk.itch.io/stable-diffusion-gui

tux-linux

it needs a detailed description

well whats the problem

tux-linux

Can it run on an AMD GPU?

for now it's nvidia only

sad

eg of output with "demonic device by HR giger"

how many time to generate this?

this one, less than 10 seconds

ok

on what gpu

on a RTX 2070 super

it doesn't run on cpu at all?

8:36 PM

even if it could take 100x longer?

It's using cuda cores so I don't think so

welp yeah

8:37 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/ww0qzi/is_it_possible_to_run_stable_diffusion_on_cpu/

r/StableDiffusion - Is it possible to run Stable Diffusion on cpu?

2 votes and 13 comments so far on Reddit

8:37 PM

but

8:37 PM

hope

I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_CgaHyA_n4

Mean Gene Hacks

Stable Diffusion (DALLE-2 clone) on AMD GPU

12 minutes not too bad

On my RTX 2070s depending of the setting I'd say i'm having in between 2.5 and 5 iteration/s

8:41 PM

and it takes at least 50 iterations to get a descent results.

8:42 PM

150 iterations being the point of diminishing return. The AI seems to go too abstract after that or focus on details too much.

8:42 PM

I'm still learning it tho obviously.

ok good

It doesn't like text very much too (like most of AI). Here's a "logo for an ereader OS named inkbox"

lmao

pretty

it has the shape of a pocketbook device

well something without text

AI sure is scary .... It will take over the world one day

8:44 PM

this xorg icon as the icon server is ugh

I made this in Blender when InkBox didn't exist

i know, its cool

but it looks out of place now

yes!

8:44 PM

soo we need to replace it

it's not an emergency

i know

8:45 PM

you can try more on your AI to do it

you should subscribe too

Aramir

It doesn't like text very much too (like most of AI). Here's a "logo for an ereader OS named inkbox"

if not, set this ;p

it's free

well yea

I applied ~2weeks ago

8:45 PM

and received the invite yesterday

Midjourney is also pretty amazing. Here take some movie posters for "space ninja versus robot"

cool

8:50 PM

I wonder where it took the so distinctive christian cross in the first picture

That's because I didn't gave it only "space ninja versus robot" as input.

8:51 PM

The exact prompt I created with this website https://promptomania.com/midjourney-prompt-builder/ tldr : if you're uninspired and want to communicate better with the AI this is the way to go. It will help you add a bunch of defails in your request.

promptoMANIA:: Midjourney prompt builder

Start using the best prompt builder for Midjourney - it's free and easy to use.

8:53 PM

There's also a version for stable-diffusion https://promptomania.com/stable-diffusion-prompt-builder/ but I'm not sure if Stable Diffusion GRisk GUI 0.1 is passing the information correctly. I'd have to compare the results in between using the gui and command-line. (edited)

promptoMANIA:: Stable Diffusion prompt builder

Start using the best prompt builder for Stable Diffusion - it's free and easy to use.

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tux-linux

Got early access to DALL-E This is what it generated with A Claude Monet painting of a computer programmer sitting at his computer. Astounding

https://www.craiyon.com/

Craiyon, formerly DALL-E mini

Craiyon is an AI model that can draw images from any text prompt!

yeah I remember using dall-e mini. I was not impressed. Here's the result I had at the time for "brick wall texture"

9:02 PM

versus what I got with "stable-diffusion" yesterday

im sharing my trauma with you.

lmaaaoooo

I haven't see an AI managed eyes correctly yet.

9:03 PM

and those cats would agree with me.

the cat in the first picture seems to have two heads

9:05 PM

I got this

I like long face in the 2nd last ^^

never again

9:06 PM

SPOILER

the third one is not too bad

9:06 PM

they morphed into each other

9:07 PM

this is hilarious

9:07 PM

dall-e or stable-diffusion can probably do better

What did you type ? "advertisement for the worst plastic surgery" ? (edited)

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"couple of people"

gonna give stable-diffusion a shot

lol

look! eyes!

wow!

1

9:08 PM

didnt helped :(

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

we've got some descents shots in there

yeaaaah stable-diffusion is definetly lost here. "couple of people" is too vague for it to work correctly

9:10 PM

9:11 PM

we're not gonna talk about the 2nd one.....

9:11 PM

it has the "people" part right but that's about it.

it's already better

"cute couple" is a better formulation for that kind of request.

DId you forget your results already ?

9:16 PM

at least those have eyes and teeth.... Maybe just a tad too much

i know, still horryfying

although that guy is not cute...

Aramir

at least those have eyes and teeth.... Maybe just a tad too much

liquid eyes

Ok this one is too much I'm gonna stop now with "couple pictures"

9:18 PM

I'm loosing it

hey, this is good

the guy's face was bent by his gf's

9:19 PM

yeah, better

But the posing of the guy, it's so creepy

log into facebook

9:20 PM

there are similar pictures

dude is probably pointing a gun at the poor girl with his right hand

9:20 PM

"now smile for the camera"

Try Desperate programmer losing his patience at computer and tearing out his hair out of madness

too much details, but hey it's gonna be fun... probably... maybe

remove the hair part if needed

close enough I guess

9:23 PM

programmer <=> beard

9:23 PM

noted

well, it's almost right

This one is nightmare fuel

SPOILER

@Szybet , we should add an user app that does this it would be hilarious (edited)

midori can do this propably

Aramir

This one is nightmare fuel

whoa

but hmm

tux-linux

@Szybet , we should add an user app that does this it would be hilarious (edited)

maybe for 1 april

no, stable-diffusion on ereader (edited)

9:25 PM

would take an hour to generate one iteration

9:25 PM

but would be cool anyway

poor glo is gonna catch on fire

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well do you want me to help with the request thing? otherwise ESRI maps will not be there ;/

stable-fusion (edited)

i have no idea whats going on

9:26 PM

looking for logo

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11:26 PM

hello crass00, how is your day?

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1:42 AM

Helo loooke

hello

Hello there, welcome. Don't mind the creepy AI spiel just above we're cool and totally humans

what are these pictures about

Skynet taking over.

3:23 AM

na but actually what is it

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na but actually what is it

szybet is looking for an AI generated logo for inkbox

Szybet

soo we need to replace it

@tux-linux if we replaced that ereader, then we could do something with that

maybe

tux-linux

maybe

wait

6:01 AM

we could put the text inside the ereader?

6:03 AM

__ | ink | | box | __

6:03 AM

that...

6:03 AM

didn't work

6:03 AM

but you get the idea

Spent 12hrs debugging stable diffusion on 4G AMD GPU, it almost worked but I ended up getting segfaults at every invocation What a waste of time, congrats to myself

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dill

@tux-linux if we replaced that ereader, then we could do something with that

I would want in the motto something like "not only for reading"

dill

szybet is looking for an AI generated logo for inkbox

ohhh

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what happened to that guy who self compiled qt?

I think he's busy with university

7:09 PM

Or something like that

oh okay

7:10 PM

i had hopes

Discord new mobile update is weird

Yes

7:13 PM

It is

"A photograph of an astronaut riding a horse" baked from my CPU! (stable-diffusion) (edited)

NICE

1

"a photograph of Steve Jobs hugging Bill Gates"

SPOILER

4:41 AM

^ this was the 50th step

4:41 AM

this was the 20th, it's strangely almost better

SPOILER

lmao

"a photograph of a sunset with mountains in the background, no clouds, evening"

5:05 AM

that one is really good

...wow! thats amazing

1

5:36 AM

"no clouds"

yeah I know anyway, it's still good

A Rick Astley painting by da Vinci and Van Gogh

a color photograph of Bernie Sanders sitting down in a coffee shop, looking at a cat in the background @Aramir , this one took ~6min with 25 timesteps and one sample on CPU (got it working finally, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQFemtBPexw) 576x576, 32G of RAM, I guess your rig would have done that in seconds? (edited)

darkhemicdigitalart

Stable-Diffusion running on CPU

what cpu do you have

8:58 AM

and cooling

oof yeah probably 10 seconds top

1

I still have to test it in command line and add txt2imghd to the pipeline

1

9:25 AM

(that's probably gonna quadruple the rendering time at least)

Are you going to start generating missing book covers with the plot outline and dall-e2?

1

Szybet

what cpu do you have

Ryzen 7 3800XT 8C/16T Fan cooling I was given it (edited)

tux-linux

Ryzen 7 3800XT 8C/16T Fan cooling I was given it (edited)

well with half the perfomace in a laptop i dont think i have any chance

maybe using your gpu.

2:05 PM

Even tux should have been able to use their amd card. (edited)

gtx 1050 ti

2:05 PM

good luck

Well, the official requirements are 10G of VRAM

2:05 PM

How much RAM do you have? (edited)

24 GB

vram I doubt it

It's written on the readme

2:06 PM

Anyway 4G won't make it

I doubt he has 24gb vram on a 1050ti

Probably

Aramir

I doubt he has 24gb vram on a 1050ti

I meant RAM

ram 24 16+8

It ran fine on 32G You should get to 256x256 resolution at least

2:07 PM

I got to 576x576

2:08 PM

Better to run in from tty with display manager down otherwise will get OOM

1050ti is 4gb ram so yeah you can forget it. I wouldn't bother with any card under 6gb vram.

CPU version would be the only hope

2:11 PM

And honestly, it's not that long of a waiting time

2:11 PM

I've seen worse (Blender renders)

Even 6gb it' s..... well you might generate 256x256 image with that but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

2:12 PM

8gb is the minimum viable. >10gb is good.

1

2:13 PM

I found this guide with a cool illustration at the end showing the difference between each samplers https://rentry.org/GUItard (among a few other useful things)

1

I used ddim most of the time

I don't even know which one I was using cause GRisk gui is "kinda jank but it works ™️". (edited)

hehe I just used the cli

tux-linux

CPU version would be the only hope

i5 7 gen ( propably ) 4/8

Should be fine Just slower (edited)

2:18 PM

RAM is the thing that matters most I think

24 gb, it cant be a problem

Well, I got oom'ed in KDE with 4G of used ram/32

kde is kde

The model checkpoint already weighs 4G

should be ok, model itself should take about 3gb of ram, then it will expend with your targeted resolution

2:20 PM

yeah 3gb, 4gb ish

2:20 PM

that's why most low level gpu card can't handle it.

2:24 PM

There's also an amd guide on the same website https://rentry.org/sdamd (edited)

well i dont think i will have time for this, because of this

4:02 PM

Niaudio PCB?

yea

Nice

What freaks me out about stable-diffusion is that it's open-source So no matter how good it is with invisible picture watermarking or NSFW content filter, people will always find workarounds and (possibly) lead to ... major ... society problems This is probably the one and only time I'm saying a software should not have been released as open-source ^^ (edited)

thats what society needs to learn about, you wont avoid it with closed source software simply every picture should be signed, to proof its truth from a legit source something like nft but for veryfying truth and without a blockchain, and not scamming people

Some tool like that was inevitable. It was bound to happen one day or another. I think having it closed-source and therefore only accessible to one party/country/enterprise would have been even more worrying.

well, yes and no

Now that it' s open, everyone is forced to acknowledge it and deal with it, learn how to recognize those images, etc

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4:47 PM

Honestly it's 2022 and I'm still baffled that there is no "digital hygiene" course of some sort.

4:47 PM

Just like there should be "mental hygien" overall.

will take another 50 years for it to be implemented...

Learn to think, learn to search, recognize dark pattern, recognize manipulation, etc

closing source is like in a space - level civilisation trying to avoid unauthorized star ships weapons https://youtu.be/wTtIakFvOZc i think this is this video

Spacedock

Why Can Civilians Own Armed Spaceships in Sci-Fi?

wu what ?

a metaphor for this that spawned in my head

I don't see the connection but ok I'll check

Linus Torvalds meeting Queen Elizabeth II

SPOILER

Thats horrifying

what happened to his hand

stable-diffusion

6:23 PM

apart from the hands, it's pretty realistic

What code are you using?

python scripts/txt2img.py --prompt "a color photograph of Queen Elizabeth II meeting Linus Torvalds" --ddim_steps 30 --skip_grid --n_samples 1 --H 576 --W 576 --n_iter 1 --seed 5538821

(edited)

Where does it grab the image content from?

NonaSuomy

Where does it grab the image content from?

AI

model checkpoint

6:25 PM

it's trained, and can reproduce from them

tux-linux

Linus Torvalds meeting Queen Elizabeth II

photoshop flowers on these hands and post it on reddit and watch the world burn

thankfully for the world, I will not do that ;p

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tux-linux

it's trained, and can reproduce from them

it's like being a cook and having all the ingredients; you can mix-match them at your will

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who was gonna setup the matrix bridge again

me

8:05 AM

but if there were more than 3 people wanting it

1

8:05 AM

oof

3:58 PM

but you never know if you do do that we may attract more people

3:59 PM

the people who usually dont have discord anyway

3:59 PM

I know quite a few of these types of people

3:59 PM

Who may just be deterred just because of discord in the first place

okay, i will create a channel

5:06 PM

but not a bridge, still more people are needed

Alright let me know

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348863

Kobo Clara 2E Thread - MobileRead Forums

Kobo Clara 2E Thread Kobo Reader

eemmc? what cpu?

6:37 AM

where are the kernel sources

6:37 AM

It'll be out on day one if we're lucky (and we might not be, as it might not be an ntx board)

7:07 PM

seems to be !i.MX given the speed at which it boots from what I recall

7:08 PM

which would confirm my hunch

fcc photos?

No clue if it's not still embargoed

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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348863

I just hope it will make the Clara cheaper so I can buy one

They've been periodically on sale for a while now

Not cheap for me...

oh, new kobo

6:36 PM

good price too

tux-linux

Not cheap for me...

it's 159.99 CAD here in edmonton

dill

good price too

way too much for me

exactly

tux-linux

way too much for me

it's the cheapest kobo right now i think

150€ here, I'm okay with that pricing too. I won't be upgrading tho cause ; I don't have infinite money, my libra h2o still work, I won't get anything under 7" screen for personal use.

buy tux one and ship it to him

8:01 PM

let me know when the matrix room has been created

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let me know when the matrix room has been created

@tux-linux are you willing to privilege me to create a official one?

8:18 PM

or simply a fan club ;p

https://matrix.to/#/#inkbox-os-project:matrix.org Everyone is welcome (edited)

You're invited to talk on Matrix

1:58 AM

@Deleted User

:D

5:52 PM

is this worth the money? (this is CAD, btw)

5:52 PM

@tux-linux

5:52 PM

where is the gpu?

5:53 PM

which SSD? model

5:53 PM

which screen? model

5:53 PM

why pay for windows?..........

oh

5:54 PM

uh

for me seems like a scam for people who dont know computers

b-but i know computers

5:54 PM

the gpu is amd radeon integrated

Szybet

which SSD? model

nvme pcie m.2

5:55 PM

the cpu has 8 cores, 16 threads

dill

the gpu is amd radeon integrated

even MC won't run on this

i'm getting it for school lol

dill

nvme pcie m.2

yea and? it can be a shitty adata that will badblock itself after a month

dill

i'm getting it for school lol

good then

2522.10 in poland

well gimp won't run smoothly too

Szybet

yea and? it can be a shitty adata that will badblock itself after a month

true, but i've had good experiences with acer in the past

dill

true, but i've had good experiences with acer in the past

what i want to say that you dont know the specs

5:56 PM

also, is this a computer?

laptop

or a laptop

5:56 PM

okay

is there a version without windows?

5:57 PM

it would be cheaper

Szybet

what i want to say that you dont know the specs

you don't need to know the specs in detail if it's a trusted source though

Szybet

is there a version without windows?

no sadly

5:57 PM

plus i need windows for school (i'll be dual-booting)

dill

you don't need to know the specs in detail if it's a trusted source though

i trust no one

fair

dill

no sadly

(i checked)

dill

plus i need windows for school (i'll be dual-booting)

i can give you a way to disable the watermark for free.

watermark?

windows has a watermark if it isint activated

5:58 PM

and nothing more

oh it's probably activated tho

5:59 PM

plus i have like 10 windows product keys if it isn't

5:59 PM

from various computers belonging to my family

also with a laptop is it full plastic? then after a year it will fall apart

5:59 PM

i glued mine with epoxy 3 times already

5:59 PM

the monitor henges will break

Szybet

the monitor henges will break

why

also show me the insides of this laptop. if there is only one heat pipe its worth trash

i don't think it's full plastic (edited)

Szybet

also show me the insides of this laptop. if there is only one heat pipe its worth trash

...how

dill

why

because plastic

it has good reviews and i'm only planning to use it for school

dill

i don't think it's full plastic (edited)

it can be plastic with silver paint on it

maybe

dill

it has good reviews and i'm only planning to use it for school

reviews on the internet are worth nothing

but i have a budget

i can add there a review too if you want

i can't spend more than this

Szybet

i can add there a review too if you want

true

dill

i can't spend more than this

and i've looked at a lot of options

dill

i can't spend more than this

sure, so search for the best one

i did though

6:02 PM

it's the equivalent of 2,522 polish zloty

for a laptop user that must repair its laptop every 2 months with new glue, a metal cover is a must for me

dill

it's the equivalent of 2,522 polish zloty

i know

Szybet

for a laptop user that must repair its laptop every 2 months with new glue, a metal cover is a must for me

i can't find any details

6:03 PM

nvm, found it

6:03 PM

aluminum and aluminum-magnesium alloy with plastic bezel

if a laptop doesnt have details and is cheap - in 3 moths you will need to replace the thermal paste, disk and repair the cover

dill

aluminum and aluminum-magnesium alloy with plastic bezel

better than nothing

Szybet

if a laptop doesnt have details and is cheap - in 3 moths you will need to replace the thermal paste, disk and repair the cover

not necessarily

dill

not necessarily

i want to believe its not like that ;p

the website i'm on doesn't give too many details

well maybe someone dissasembled it?

6:06 PM

i just want this to last ~4 years

it will overheat

unlike my mom who thinks i should use it until i'm 30 :P

Szybet

it will overheat

i can see that, what do i do though

where is the batter?

heat isn't much of a problem

6:07 PM

idk let me see

dill

i can see that, what do i do though

well accept it

6:08 PM

what is this

6:08 PM

and where is the ssd

better picture

6:08 PM

it isint there?

Szybet

it isint there?

weird LMAO

dill

better picture

the metal cover here...

dill

Click to see attachment 🖼️

and this

yeah?

6:09 PM

honestly i might just get it i'm not going to put too much strain on it

6:09 PM

i don't want good specs

6:09 PM

i want a usable computer

those arent the same model

the swift 3 has slightly different models

6:12 PM

i'll just go ahead and get it lol

6:12 PM

i've explored every option i can find

i hope you won't regret then

me too

6:14 PM

i doubt it though, but i'll see

6:14 PM

i'll be using a laptop bag anyways so it shouldn't be too damaged

> you put your bag somewhere with this laptop > it will disturb someone, he will move it > the screen has a spiderweb on it thats my fear for my stuff

6:18 PM

thats why i only take to school an old lenovo tablet with linux and the cpu overclocked to write some notes (edited)

#macbookair ;p

6:20 PM

Or a cheap-ass Android tablet w/ a BT keyboard and a stand (edited)

6:21 PM

That worked, too, but I never needed to run any custom software, just note taking

NiLuJe

#macbookair ;p

i wont touch this even if someone pays me

NiLuJe

Or a cheap-ass Android tablet w/ a BT keyboard and a stand (edited)

nah #linuxmasterrace

It's (unfortunately) the best laptop money can buy (emphasis on money nowadays ;p; it wasn't so bad a few years ago, especially w/ student prices) (edited)

i need to scare off my classmates with linux

The only other sane solution would be a thinkpad tank, but that's no longer the same category/use case

6:23 PM

Because laptop are uniformly terrible

NiLuJe

It's (unfortunately) the best laptop money can buy (emphasis on money nowadays ;p; it wasn't so bad a few years ago, especially w/ student prices) (edited)

until something breaks, yes I already replaced the lcd cable in my laptop, and repaired the keyboard on lenovo tablet by removing the pogo pins and replacing them with a cable

Which is why 99.9% of my recommendations for a laptop are actually: get a Chromebook (edited)

NiLuJe

Which is why 99.9% of my recommendations for a laptop are actually: get a Chromebook (edited)

only for school, yea that the best

6:24 PM

actually @dill maybe a chromebook?

Szybet

i need to scare off my classmates with linux

Take your notes with vi in a tty, instead of a graphical desktop. Maximum confusion from others looking over your shoulder.

Something as simple as taking notes in something that supported Solarized Dark was enough to make people go "wtf" over here

(edited)

6:24 PM

So, yeah, vi would be fun

wishindo

Take your notes with vi in a tty, instead of a graphical desktop. Maximum confusion from others looking over your shoulder.

they are already scared when i boot it up

(Another point for a mac: Ulysses is goddamn amazing)

Ulysses?...

It's a fancy writing app

but have you seen joplin already?...

It's Ulysses like, yeah

open source and just better

6:27 PM

with syncthing i dont need internet access to sync between my phone

Same, my notes were in a dropbox folder, and they're in MD

dropbox has p2p support?

No idea, but doesn't really matter (edited)

also - android dropbox app is horrible

Didn't actually need the dropbox app, just an MD-capable reader w/ dropbox API support (edited)

6:29 PM

Happened to be Jotterpad at the time, there are probably better solutions nowadays

dill

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I could never afford that for a laptop

6:40 PM

8G of RAM is not enough for this price

6:40 PM

2022 standard should be at least 16G

8gb of ram and only 512gb of storage. I wouldn't take it

8gb is fine?

There's probably better offers out there for a similar prices (depending of your region ofcourse)

for what do you need 16?

gaming, to please the chrome ram hungry beast, video/photo editing, big projects compilations, etc

he said for school

I wouldn't advocate for 32gb, but yeah 16 is a good sweet spot

also its upgradable propably

NiLuJe

#macbookair ;p

Expensive as shit though

and he needs windows for school anyways. yeah he can hacks but most likely it will be a pain in the ass. So it rules out chrome books too. (edited)

tux-linux

2022 standard should be at least 16G

True

6:49 PM

I can upgrade ram easily tho

Szybet

actually @dill maybe a chromebook?

NOOOOOOOOO

dill

NOOOOOOOOO

No Don't.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348925 R.I.P.

Very Sad News; the death of davidfor - MobileRead Forums

Very Sad News; the death of davidfor News

:( RIP

11:00 PM

he will be missed

tux-linux

No Don't.

what?

11:00 PM

oh, don't get a chromebook

11:01 PM

yeah i got the acer

11:01 PM

on it rn

the $699 one?

yes

hmm hmm

11:01 PM

at least now you have a decent cpu for running inkbox emulator on it

11:01 PM

and

11:01 PM

did you install linux yet

tux-linux

did you install linux yet

i'm planning to do it don't worry

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dill

i'm planning to do it don't worry

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide

Installation guide

11:02 PM

:D

lmao i only got set this thing up 5 minutes ago

Szybet

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide

nah not arch

D:

I used archinstall last time messed up my whole drive

and i am VERY familiar with the arch installation process

couldn't understand the partition layout

what is archinstall?

this has NORTON installed on it...

11:03 PM

why

Szybet

what is archinstall?

official arch guided installer

crap

yes

dill

official arch guided installer

what the heck is this heresy

suggestion: do a clean windows 11 install

11:03 PM

your pc can handle it

so this is a ryzen 7 5700U

even if it may say it's not supported

why 11?...

11:04 PM

do 10

it can handle it

no i'm comfortable with 10

and unbloat it

11:04 PM

get a pro n version

11 is unfamiliar

Szybet

and unbloat it

the ideal would be: uninstall it completely

i have windows 10 home i think (edited)

but of course you have school

home is disgusting

honestly i just want functionality

11:04 PM

for school (edited)

11:05 PM

and arch isn't stable so i might just get ubuntu or fedora

i never had problems that weren't my own cause, so i dont understand you

my brother in christ, once i deleted /lib

11:06 PM

lmao (edited)

still repairable with arch chroot

11:06 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

no i don't want ANY problems lol

11:07 PM

once i missed 3 hours of school because linux kernel was broken again

i have broken pulseaudio 15 minutes before lessons and restoring the backup took 10 minuts

11:08 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

LMAO

11:09 PM

nice

11:09 PM

i'll use fedora honestly (edited)

fedora is good

yeah or ubuntu

but arch is too powerfull

MAYBE endeavourOS but probably not

i needed qt4 on linux mint so i installed arch linux in docker

dill

MAYBE endeavourOS but probably not

no

11:10 PM

i once tryied

11:10 PM

never again

lol

garuda if you want

oh YEAHHH

what happened

11:30 PM

fedora is good for user friendliness

11:31 PM

you don't really need arch

11:31 PM

I wouldn't even use arch (i did before)

11:31 PM

and don't go using artix either thats more cringe cause a lot of stuff won't work

11:32 PM

I would choose void over arch as it actually brings stuff to the table

11:32 PM

but albeit the install process would be more difficult than the just works arch

Deleted User

and don't go using artix either thats more cringe cause a lot of stuff won't work

yeah artix SUCKS

Deleted User

I would choose void over arch as it actually brings stuff to the table

installs bedrock\ HEY maybe i should install suicide linux

bedrock is an interesting idea

11:39 PM

I never tried it myself

it's surprisingly stable actually

bedrock has in tbe faq that its unstable

I would rather do these things from scratch if anything

Szybet

bedrock has in tbe faq that its unstable

it worked well for me idk (edited)

Deleted User

bedrock is an interesting idea

i tried installing LFS from a bedrock host... it did not go well

you make bedrock from lfs

lol

i use bedrock

3:31 AM

havent had too many problems that wernt pebkac (edited)

I'm just putting this here https://github.com/hlky/stable-diffusion/pull/267

Add tiling option by VulumeCode · Pull Request #267 · hlky/stable-d...

Add a --tiling option parameter which patches all models to use padding_mode='circular'. This causes SD to generate tiling images natively, in one go, without extra processing. It's a...

is there a way to add github organisations to rss feed?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0orGCiou8 that's a bit terrifying

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1:58 PM

you already was here (edited)

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re-re

6:24 PM

it's a weird issue

6:24 PM

and annoying

oh crud i didnt realise this was the main chat channel, been using inkbox all this time

np

how to change time ?

ntp sync

6:28 PM

but then you aren't on 2.0

6:29 PM

you need to change it from shell

6:29 PM

you can also install a development version

please sir

6:29 PM

or more how to exit out the openstreep map app XD

6:30 PM

give it to me and i break it. that's legit what they do at work

RDF300

or more how to exit out the openstreep map app XD

it will also be fixed in 2.0

RDF300

or more how to exit out the openstreep map app XD

already redesigned

it is already fixed

6:31 PM

but the userapps server is currently down

look at this

6:31 PM

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/53944559/187004844-f8ebeec6-3ac7-439b-a314-a7aa6d7227ae.mp4

6:31 PM

you dont have this on the stock os ;p

ooo fancy . the mini is slow so yea

tux-linux

but the userapps server is currently down

you dont have a backup?

also i just reliased i taped the origional sd card to the back of the case before i upgraded it to 16gb

6:32 PM

so i might have the origional os, just need to flash that onto a bigger card and expand the space

Szybet

you dont have a backup?

yes, somewhere

but i do prefer inkbox to the kobo os

1

RDF300

but i do prefer inkbox to the kobo os

you havent tryied it yet

True, i also need to make sure im on 1.9 before trying anything more ( as on 1.5 to 1.6 the card isnt automatically expanded )

it isin't on 1.9 too... well @tux-linux add it too todo list. i think i will do this

RDF300

True, i also need to make sure im on 1.9 before trying anything more ( as on 1.5 to 1.6 the card isnt automatically expanded )

you need to do this manually with shell

Szybet

it isin't on 1.9 too... well @tux-linux add it too todo list. i think i will do this

what?

right which i'm gesssing i need uart for ?

tux-linux

what?

expanding onboard

= damaging mmc?

6:55 PM

@RDF300 http://23.163.0.39/bundles/private/inkbox-update-1.9.upd.isa

yea doing that now, i got sidetracked and thought i did 1.9 but was on 1.6

it's the development version

ah ok let me download that one, i was doing the 1.9 found in the github updates folder

tux-linux

= damaging mmc?

what

ooo i have an m5stick i recon i could use that to get uart access

Szybet

what

how do you plan to 'expand onboard'

currently its only 1GB

6:58 PM

on the nia it can be 10~

6:58 PM

well maybe bigger images then?

so you are going to write 10G of zeroes to the mmc?

what...

tux-linux

how do you plan to 'expand onboard'

.

the mini can replace the sd card so i have an 8 in there at the moment but when i plug it in with usb it comes up at 510 MB

expand the partition / onboard size

6:59 PM

do you really want to lock users to 1GB?

onboard is a file

while it can be 10?

tux-linux

onboard is a file

exactly, expanding it

6:59 PM

i did it once

how

i dont remember, you writed the instructions

now do ls -sh /data/storage/onboard

ahaha the image i had has the user trolltech

=qt

oh really ? fair, i was poking around and found this

8:36 PM

[Qt%20Factory%20Cache%204.8] com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqgif.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, gif com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqico.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, ico com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqjpeg.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, jpeg, jpg com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqmng.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, mng com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqsvg.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, svg, svgz com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqtga.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, tga com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\imageformats\libqtiff.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, tiff, tif com.trolltech.Qt.QSqlDriverFactoryInterface%3A\usr\local\Trolltech\QtEmbedded-4.6.2-arm\plugins\sqldrivers\libqsqlite.so=2012-10-15T13:12:21, QSQLITE

makes sense then

did davidfor pass away ? , just went to his page damn (edited)

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348925

Very Sad News; the death of davidfor - MobileRead Forums

Very Sad News; the death of davidfor News

yea without him honestly this kobo would be eswaste by now

RDF300

yea without him honestly this kobo would be eswaste by now

inkbox?..........

my mum would have chucked it away by now as she wanted more books

8:50 PM

so i upgraded it to a 16gb card

8:50 PM

and i only just got it back from her when she bought a new one after this one wouldnt boot correctly

8:50 PM

weirdly after i installed inkbox 1.0

8:50 PM

then swapped back to the 16gb card it just booted

8:51 PM

im happy to have inkbox just from what i have seen sofar it is still a beta i think

you haven't installed the development version

that is true, and now i know the 2gb card is effed i will try that

sometimes after swapping sd card it wont boot, cpu wont detect the sd card. try some more bu removing it and putting it back

with the 1.9 i do 1.5 > 1.6 > 1.9dev right ?

8:52 PM

it just stopped workingh without me taking a screwdriver to it

Shhhi.... yea i did read that

RDF300

im happy to have inkbox just from what i have seen sofar it is still a beta i think

1.9 is a usable release, the current dev version with all improvments is okay, 2.0 will be the first release that i would say is good (edited)

1

jsut to confirm, its the 1.5 then 1.6 then the private link you sent before ?

yes

1

tux-linux

@RDF300 http://23.163.0.39/bundles/private/inkbox-update-1.9.upd.isa

must have an .htaccess file blocking my permission to it

fixed

on a side note i love it when our customers blame the hosting for something the webdev did with a htaccess file

it was just a chmod issue

ohhhhh still,

9:01 PM

with the "storage" issue, for me to resolve that within windows without a arduino at the moment is 0% right ?

why don't you just want to install linux

you mean what problem?

tux-linux

why don't you just want to install linux

i didn't wanted to give him this answer but its the best one ;p

oh yea build from source ...

1

9:02 PM

i wonder if the WSL would work

expanding the storage? built the root kernel, you get to the shell and the rest is easy

RDF300

i wonder if the WSL would work

yea, i prefered the lazy and origional way of using disk genius and expanding the fat32 XD

RDF300

yea, i prefered the lazy and origional way of using disk genius and expanding the fat32 XD

sorry, but you are making me lol

i really like this gif

9:04 PM

w40k is always cool

okay back to talking to me like i know nothing, how am i using linux to conenct to the kobo to increase the storage space, or am i taking the sd card out and using gparted bascilly

take the sd card out

usbnet / ssh

or that

ohhhhhh it supports thattttttt

O.o?

oh sorry you mean usb micro otg then a usb to ethernet ?

just a simple usb micro cable

9:08 PM

nothing more

9:08 PM

nothing less

Szybet

O.o?

O.o

o.0 0.o -.- 0.0

9:09 PM

sorry, ah fine i didnt know that the inkbox os supported that usbnet connection method. again i compare this kobo to the rg350

1

9:11 PM

i have to cave one day and install linux over windows, i know enough of it

1

dual-boot: exists

i'm making excuses shhhhh

Bro once I booted 6 distros at once

5:59 AM

Just for fun but still lmao

5:59 AM

Tux probably remembers

i just realised i have a spare pi

you are rich then

dill

Bro once I booted 6 distros at once

bedrock linux

no

mari

bedrock linux

6 separate distros on 6 separate partitions

was trying to joke

oh ok lmao

1:13 AM

dont worry im stupid

https://www.reddit.com/r/RemarkableTablet/comments/xefptn/is_there_an_alternate_os_for_the_remarkable/

r/RemarkableTablet - Is there an alternate OS for the reMarkable?

2 votes and 3 comments so far on Reddit

8:53 AM

huge fan of foss

8:53 AM

im waiting, then :p

Waiting for what?

for him to port it

12:52 PM

i have hopes

12:52 PM

dreams too

welp I hope you're right

can i have admins rights for discord?

2:02 PM

for limited time if you prefer that

2:02 PM

i want the roles, welcome channel, forum feature

The rM2 doesn't have a hardware EPDC, so a port is a no-go until https://github.com/matteodelabre/waved is ready

GitHub - matteodelabre/waved: Experimental driver for the reMarkabl...

Experimental driver for the reMarkable 2 E-Ink display - GitHub - matteodelabre/waved: Experimental driver for the reMarkable 2 E-Ink display

8:00 PM

And REAGL support is going to be... tricky (like, patented tricky ;/)

8:01 PM

And you really don't want to use an rM without REAGL ;p

8:02 PM

(so, as usual, reddit is wrong: it does not support the usual mxcfb ioctl; unlike the rM1) (edited)

8:22 PM

"apple of einks" crap

uh ohes

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ManuXD32

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Are you still developing the sanki app for ereaders??

wow

4:05 PM

i will soon add new features

4:05 PM

and repair it a bit

4:05 PM

so, yes

Oh nice!!

It will come with user apps support in 2.0 release (edited)

I'm really interested in trying it but i haven't been able to compile it myself

Szybet

wow

I think you have a tester now

Hahahahha

4:06 PM

I'd like to

http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/apps/

ManuXD32

I'm really interested in trying it but i haven't been able to compile it myself

yes, its complicated

probably needs to be updated though

oh

Qt 6 configure done, now compiling

first, you need inkbox

So i need to open the kobo nia to use the sdcard?

pretty much yes

4:10 PM

you also have a nia

4:10 PM

nice

Okay, gonna give it a try

4:11 PM

Thanks!

Szybet

you also have a nia

7th person

In case it doesn't work i can just flash the official firmware right?

tux-linux

7th person

:D i want device roles

ManuXD32

In case it doesn't work i can just flash the official firmware right?

yes

4:11 PM

but do a backup before (edited)

Szybet

can i have admins rights for discord?

@tux-linux :D

How do i? hahaha

4:12 PM

Just copying the info inside?

make a img from the sd card

4:12 PM

whole copy

4:12 PM

there is a guide somewhere for it

Okay, gonna look for it

4:13 PM

Thanks!!

Szybet

:D i want device roles

I added you to role permissions

tux-linux

I added you to role permissions

okay thanks, i will do it later

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6:37 PM

hm ok, but then why do you need to copy the whole function below and switch to that if it doesn't work? how could it not work?

tux-linux

hm ok, but then why do you need to copy the whole function below and switch to that if it doesn't work? how could it not work?

below are some custom lines

1

????????

thats

7:02 PM

a function to choose between the regular function and the folder function if the option is enabled

7:02 PM

but you didnt provide a path to the config, so i left it as it is ;p

7:03 PM

it took me an entire day to figure out to charge the battery

7:03 PM

7:04 PM

stupid me ;p

Oh ok

Hey again

7:12 PM

I've managed to install inkbox

7:12 PM

But i don't know how to install the app

7:12 PM

which version of inkbox do you have

1.9

http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/apps/sanki.zip

7:13 PM

download this

Done

and extract it into .apps folder on the ereader

7:14 PM

via usb

7:14 PM

extract it, so there is a sanki folder and everything else inside it

Should the directory be already there?

yes

7:15 PM

do you have the "show hidden files" option enabled?

I've only got one directory ".inkbox"

7:15 PM

Yep, i do

oh

7:16 PM

user app are for 2.0 release

7:16 PM

well so now we have more work

7:16 PM

do you have a linux machine?

Yeah

7:16 PM

Fedora 36

you need to self compile the kernel

7:17 PM

fo inkbox

7:17 PM

with root enabled

I've juts noticed that the storage is on read only

7:17 PM

How do i compile it??

ManuXD32

I've juts noticed that the storage is on read only

umm @tux-linux im pinging to precisely show you this message

ManuXD32

I've juts noticed that the storage is on read only

i have no idea about this, weird

ManuXD32

How do i compile it??

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/kernel: Kernel sources for InkBox OS

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:18 PM

and for the nia:

env GITDIR="${PWD}" TOOLCHAINDIR="${PWD}/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/" THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root

Ohh thanks!!

7:19 PM

Gonna try it

ManuXD32

I've juts noticed that the storage is on read only

what storage

The one that appears when you use the usb

Szybet

with root enabled

can you send him an update package? since you have the keys

ManuXD32

The one that appears when you use the usb

what's the output of mount

tux-linux

can you send him an update package? since you have the keys

i will send him, i already have everything compiled anyway

thanks

tux-linux

what's the output of mount

The origin is protected against writting

security cool but now we need to struggle if someone wants a dev version

i will not merge your PR but handle it separately because of some merge conflicts

7:21 PM

so it will be only one commit

Szybet

security cool but now we need to struggle if someone wants a dev version

then they just have to compile everything themselves great learning experience we should put up a guide on the wiki

tux-linux

i will not merge your PR but handle it separately because of some merge conflicts

i dont care, just credit me

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i already pushed your other patches

7:23 PM

and ticked some to-do list checkboxes

tux-linux

then they just have to compile everything themselves great learning experience we should put up a guide on the wiki

hmm @ManuXD32 do you want really spend some time with inkbox ( and sanki ) help us test it etc?

tux-linux

i already pushed your other patches

good

Yes, i do!!

ManuXD32

Yes, i do!!

how long will you survive

Hahahahha, i hope long enough

if the init is done, the only major todo is the update process

literally everyone here except the two of us are never available/gave up/lost interest/just decided to quit

tux-linux

how long will you survive

i see you are pesymistic at this point ;p

it is a fact

i know

tux-linux

literally everyone here except the two of us are never available/gave up/lost interest/just decided to quit

Sad to read that

7:25 PM

Tbh

ManuXD32

Yes, i do!!

well then i propose you build inkbox yourself

Szybet

if the init is done, the only major todo is the update process

I will finish reviewing the folders PR then continue init

Szybet

well then i propose you build inkbox yourself

and that you write a wiki page along the way if you want

7:26 PM

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Building_InkBox_OS_from_source

Szybet

well then i propose you build inkbox yourself

Is it the same as compiling?

7:27 PM

My knowledge about the topic is very limited, but i'm willing to learn

as for the update process: 1. just do a script inside the recovery 2. why isint the qt chroot upgrdable? just replace the isa file

ManuXD32

Is it the same as compiling?

yes

tux-linux

and that you write a wiki page along the way if you want

actually, he could improve my guide

Szybet

as for the update process: 1. just do a script inside the recovery 2. why isint the qt chroot upgrdable? just replace the isa file

2. I told you I would change that, I never thought I would need to upgrade it

its pretty finished

Szybet

yes

Okay, i'm downloading the files

Szybet

actually, he could improve my guide

yes, and convert it to wikicode without pandoc, because pandoc has pitfalls too

ManuXD32

Okay, i'm downloading the files

which ones

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/kernel: Kernel sources for InkBox OS

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:28 PM

Those

ok so if @ManuXD32 you want to write a guide too: https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md here are some steps and hints you can learn from, you can improve the guide too

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sony_PRS-T1

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

Okay!!

imgtool/release.bash at main · Kobo-InkBox/imgtool

I can add the steps i see more useful and even write a script

for example, this is well-written stuff

ManuXD32

I can add the steps i see more useful and even write a script

script is already done

oh

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/imgtool/blob/main/release.bash worst thing ever to write (probably)

Reproducible image builder for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/imgtool development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:30 PM

no, there is worse, but still

also @ManuXD32 if you can, build everything inside a debian docker container ( distrobox is cool ) to avoid problems

tux-linux

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sony_PRS-T1

yea... sad that the authour left

Szybet

also @ManuXD32 if you can, build everything inside a debian docker container ( distrobox is cool ) to avoid problems

Didn't know i could break something by compiling it outside a docker hahahah

Szybet

yea... sad that the authour left

well, still around sometimes and he was really invested into the Sony like, more than I could ever be on any device one day, I will get the courage to fix it (edited)

ManuXD32

Didn't know i could break something by compiling it outside a docker hahahah

i learned it the hard way. cross compiling is weird, it can cause problems from machine to machine

tux-linux

well, still around sometimes and he was really invested into the Sony like, more than I could ever be on any device one day, I will get the courage to fix it (edited)

still sad that he completly left the project after it

as (almost) everyone does, but it was a record time Daboone72 also stayed for somewhat long but never came back since ~feb 2022 (edited)

7:36 PM

so I am not saying that you are not welcome to be here, not at all, we are happy to help you but if you don't contribute or anything or leave it's a bit sad for us

I get it, but i'm really willing to learn and contribute as much as i can

1

Szybet

Hey, i've been trying to build the kernel like this but i can't seem to make it work

whats the problem

10:27 PM

error

I get this output

10:29 PM

scripts/build_kernel.sh: line 46: cd: too many arguments ---- Building Kobo Nia (N306) kernel ---- ---- Building ROOT kernel for n306 ---- make: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: No such file or directory ./scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 25: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found ./scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 26: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found ./scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 25: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found ./scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 26: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found CLEAN .tmp_versions CLEAN scripts/basic CLEAN scripts/dtc CLEAN scripts/genksyms CLEAN scripts/kconfig CLEAN scripts/mod CLEAN scripts CLEAN include/config include/generated arch/arm/include/generated CLEAN .config

5.83 KB

10:29 PM

cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/etc/init.d/rcS' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/etc/init.d/startx' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/etc/init.d/inkbox-splash' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/etc/init.d/developer-key' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/etc/init.d/overlay-mount' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/etc/init.d/initrd-fifo' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/opt/bin/uidgen' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/bin/checksum-verify' is not a directory cp: target 'bb/kernel-master/initrd/n306/sbin/setup-wifi' is not a directory fatal: not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /home) Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set). ---- Kernel build ID is: WRu5ByVw ---- ---- Kernel commit is: ---- make: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: No such file or directory drivers/input/misc/Kconfig:815

️ leading whitespace ignored make: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: No such file or directory /bin/sh: line 1: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found HOSTCC scripts/dtc/flattree.o CC scripts/mod/devicetable-offsets.s make[2]: [scripts/Makefile.build:259: scripts/mod/empty.o] Error 127 SHIPPED scripts/genksyms/parse.tab.c make[2]: Waiting for unfinished jobs.... /bin/sh: line 1: arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: command not found make[2]: [scripts/Makefile.build:153: scripts/mod/devicetable-offsets.s] Error 127 make[1]: [scripts/Makefile.build:403: scripts/mod] Error 2 make[1]: Waiting for unfinished jobs.... HOSTLD scripts/dtc/dtc HOSTLD scripts/genksyms/genksyms make: [Makefile:555: scripts] Error 2 ---- There was an error during the build process, aborting... ----

please use

10:30 PM

``` on discord

Before the message?

yes

10:30 PM

and after

10:30 PM

it will format it nicely

Oh okay

you propably need to symlink your kernel directory to /home/build/inkbox/kernel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nruUuDalNR0

5.83 KB

Szybet

you propably need to symlink your kernel directory to /home/build/inkbox/kernel

Oh okay, gonna try it

ManuXD32

Click to see attachment 🖼️

exactly like that

10:35 PM

also for problems etc, use #quill

10:35 PM

here are some more regular conversations

Oh okay!

Flashback Team

Extracting Firmware from Embedded Devices (SPI NOR Flash)

you are stikl here

3:46 PM

sadly not so often

But of course

NonaSuomy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nruUuDalNR0

spi is more on smartphones than ereaders

3:47 PM

but some flash chips use it

3:47 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ideally it's generalized information

You can apply the information processes with pretty much dumping any firmware.

3:58 PM

Hopefully they continue with the series

3:59 PM

Like once you dump analyzing the firmware etc.

4:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01mw0oTHwxg

Flashback Team

Hacker's Guide to UART Root Shells

Szybet

sadly not so often

I got lost in decoding the CANBus of a car radio to use the steering wheel controls to send commands to the raspberry pi

4:17 PM

Also camera machine learning with Coral on PoE cameras

4:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-MxtJLEos

Make Me Hack

#04 - How To Get The Firmware - Hardware Hacking Tutorial

NonaSuomy

Like once you dump analyzing the firmware etc.

binwalk

Yeah it mentions that and we used that before

11:15 PM

4 days to get a usb hub working

11:15 PM

programming is easy

11:15 PM

anyway, soon i will start work on audio

What is the picture of?

niAudio

8:48 AM

pcb

a custom pcb they designed to add audio to the glo nia

why they?... its me

10:30 AM

only to the nia

"they" is a common way to refer to someone in a genderless fashion. (disclaimer nothing to do with "woke" mindset, please don't start this debate). As I don't know if you're a guy/girl even tho I have strong suspicions I use "they".

whatever as a non english native speaker, its confusing

I understand, it got me the first time too.

12:23 PM

But then I started to notice it being used more and more in that way

if i would use for my final english exam, i wouldnt pass it :p

What's the machine in the back of the picture?

4:48 PM

the white box

my custom made regulated power supply

4:54 PM

with some fancy featurews

Can you take a better picture of it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ereader/comments/xl853y/kobo_2e_internal_images_sd_card_confirmed/

r/ereader - Kobo 2E Internal Images - SD Card Confirmed

10 votes and 5 comments so far on Reddit

10:08 PM

yay

Very good We should have a fundraiser so I/we could buy it

maybe... first finish the first clara

Yeah, a fundraiser for the first Clara would be fair too

tux-linux

Very good We should have a fundraiser so I/we could buy it

160 CAD i could get that in 1-2 months

https://discord.com/blog/forum-channels-space-for-organized-conversation

Forum Channels: A Space for Organized Conversations

We’re excited to roll out a new way to help your community server hold organized, meaningful conversations without drowning each other out: Forum Channels.

i want this^

5:28 PM

+ i added device roles to discord

5:28 PM

not all devices tho

Anyone tried to flash a tolino board with inkbox btw ? They're supposed to be similar to kobo

2:05 PM

(please don't add it to the todo list, I'm just curious)

not me

would be hard I think those are European exclusive (and not even available in every european country making it extra painful to get) (edited)

i think mostly in german countries

2:12 PM

in north of germany they were in every library

deutschland, belgium, italia, switzerland, netherlands and austria

Aramir

Anyone tried to flash a tolino board with inkbox btw ? They're supposed to be similar to kobo

no one willing to do anything

2:29 PM

in short

np was just curious to see if the boards were the exact same or not.

yeah so after investigation they're not the exact exact same boards but very very similar.

3:21 PM

https://github.com/akemnade/u-boot-fslc/wiki https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara) didn't know this wiki existed, lots of info in there (probably none you didn't know already) (edited)

yeah apparently the tolino shine is very very close to the clara hd

Aramir

https://github.com/akemnade/u-boot-fslc/wiki https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara) didn't know this wiki existed, lots of info in there (probably none you didn't know already) (edited)

andi is the author

I just noticed there's two serial connectors on my Kobo Glo.... Are they both supposed to work ?

one is for bluetooth?

9:14 PM

gsm connection?

9:14 PM

the point is, another chip uses uart to communicate with the cpu

9:14 PM

for the nia its bluetooth, but the chip isint soldered

9:15 PM

well maybe it will work, its still conected to the cpu

I have no clue what if it s the correct one

9:18 PM

don't judge my soldering skills ... I'm working with a 10 years old 10$ soldering iron (edited)

9:19 PM

busybox microcom -t 115200 /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't respond

Aramir

don't judge my soldering skills ... I'm working with a 10 years old 10$ soldering iron (edited)

nah its good

9:19 PM

i saw worse

neither do screen /dev/ttyUSB0 11520

respond to what?

(I'm guessing that's the correct baudrate)

maybe you swapped tx rx?

9:20 PM

yes it is

9:21 PM

you can't see it because of the wires but I'm respecting that chart...

you connected vcc?...

I tried both

Aramir

Click to see attachment 🖼️

you arrent connecting it straight to to usb?

9:21 PM

no.......... disconnect vcc

9:22 PM

if you supplied 5V the rip i think

fuuuuuu

Szybet

you arrent connecting it straight to to usb?

?

9:22 PM

i mean

9:22 PM

was there magic smoke?

9:22 PM

if not, maybe there is hope

no magic smoke, and device still shows up on my linux

9:23 PM

so I'm safe

does it work

Szybet

you arrent connecting it straight to to usb?

?, this image is cursed btw

9:23 PM

that you posted

still silent, but the UART usb is not dead

Szybet

?, this image is cursed btw

how so ?

Aramir

how so ?

usb straight to tx rx

9:24 PM

are you using a converter or not?

9:25 PM

well maybe you killed only the uart

9:25 PM

happened once to a guy when porting

I'm using one of those https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32345829369.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.85.2380ebb5B19PcK&algo_pvid=a5c5c2dc-e31d-456a-81ad-315be93469aa&algo_exp_id=a5c5c2dc-e31d-456a-81ad-315be93469aa-42&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2210000000414780766%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21EUR%210.89%210.79%21%21%211.74%21%21%40211bf14716643068322928335d0769%2110000000414780766%21sea&curPageLogUid=Zj13Qz38HoMP (maybe not that exact model, but still no of course I didn't solder usb pins to wires and called it a day)

0.79€ 12% de réduction|Module adaptateur convertisseur TTL USB vers...

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9:28 PM

there's some chip in it. I've used it before to flash a router.

i have the exact one

9:29 PM

is pretty good

9:29 PM

9:30 PM

1. isint 5v connected to TX? ( short ) (edited)

9:30 PM

2. thats a weird configuration

9:30 PM

you know you need to connect the kobo TX to your RX?

That might be it

9:32 PM

I might be a complete morron

Szybet

maybe you swapped tx rx?

i said it here

9:32 PM

+ it happens to everyone

I thought you meant I swapped during the soldering. soldered the RX cable on the RX pin

well this means the same thing

Swaping those real quick

9:34 PM

I'm somewhat smart, I didn't solder the usb cable directly

9:35 PM

those connections, sometimes doesnt work

9:38 PM

gonna try the other port

just to be sure

9:53 PM

what soft / command do you use to connect to serial port

9:53 PM

and is there some kind of special procedure

i use minicom

9:54 PM

and nothing fancy

k that name rings a bell

sometimes hardware flow neds to be changed

9:55 PM

screen should also work

9:57 PM

you have issues with suspending your app right?

yes

why not leave it to the inkbox power daemon, and focus on whats truly matters :D?

That's on the roadmap ^^

10:00 PM

Anyways, once in minicom "print screen" / ctrl A C should print a bunch of logs whenever I'm pressing buttons ?

10:00 PM

cause now it's still dead silent

its more complicated

10:01 PM

maybe now, focus on getting anything on the screen

10:01 PM

shut down your ereader / turn it on

10:01 PM

you should get u-boot logs on the screen

wait isn't there something about the dialout user group

10:03 PM

damn it

10:03 PM

that might be it

obviously run it with sudo?...........

10:03 PM

run it with root

10:03 PM

the group might be uucp too

10:03 PM

ls -l /dev to be sure

meh if sudo is ok sure

maybe from bare root

10:03 PM

to be sure

10:03 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean my uart usb interface is there crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 sept. 27 22:01 /dev/ttyUSB0

at least this

but then nothing in minicom

10:05 PM

(gonna try to switch to english for your convenience)

nah, u-boot logs are in english

10:06 PM

but they arent there

seems like everything should be running

10:08 PM

I'm starting to question the damn uart dongle

if its the one you send me, its okay

10:08 PM

you can try shorting rx to tx, then you will se your own messages

welp nothing when shorting rt to tx together

toggle hardware flow in minicom

looks like I can buy another uart usb key

10:15 PM

oh ok

Szybet

toggle hardware flow in minicom

still nothing

try other program

10:18 PM

are you shorting only rx tx of the usb adapter?

10:19 PM

are the diodes on the usb - uart adapter even flickering?

No USB leds to check

Aramir

No USB leds to check

because?

Cause it s a cheap usb UART thingy

god

Xd

its crap

10:22 PM

you can dissasemble it if you want

just done it

can i have a look?

XDDDDDDD

10:24 PM

it has no cristal oscilator

10:25 PM

that it shows up for the pc is a miracle already

I swear I've managed to flash OpenWRT with that """thing"""

with what baud rate

don't remember that was years ago

10:26 PM

anyways I'm off to amazon getting a new one

try 1280 baud rate and then short the pins / try to type something

10:27 PM

if it doesnt work, toggle hardware flow once more

10:27 PM

if it still doesnt work, its trash

nope

klslskl?

10:30 PM

showed up?

no i rage typed in it

10:32 PM

when you're telling me to type something

10:32 PM

you mean in another terminal ?

no, in this one

just to be extra sure

10:32 PM

ok

10:32 PM

so yeah I type ls in it

does klklkl show up even if you disconnect rx tx?

and then nothing so I spammed

10:32 PM

nope

10:33 PM

gonna short it right on the freaking board to be sure it's not the wires

so it showed up only when they are connected?

it showed up when I type it in minicom

10:34 PM

but it did nothing

Aramir

it showed up when I type it in minicom

thats the point

Szybet

so it showed up only when they are connected?

yes or no

yes it showed up when I typed it

10:36 PM

in the minicom console

10:36 PM

I type ls in minicom

10:36 PM

it shows up ls

so when you disconnect it, it doesnt show up?...

that's indeed not happening if I'm not shorting things up

10:36 PM

so shorting rt and tx allows me to type things in minicom

10:37 PM

so it's not totally dead yet

yes, its working

10:37 PM

wow

ok sorry

10:37 PM

really sorry

now try this with a higher baud rate

10:37 PM

nah no need to be

still shorting rx to tx ?

yes

I can type using 115200

so its working

gonna hook it back up to glo and see if I can type things

10:39 PM

then I'm gonna probably RTFM again

Aramir

gonna hook it back up to glo and see if I can type things

it will not work

why ?

first get anything on the screen

ok

when you send a letter to kobo, kobo needs to send the latter back to you

10:40 PM

the kobo doesnt seem to live

10:40 PM

soo

10:40 PM

try to reboot it when connected

honestly it might have been responding and I was dumb

10:40 PM

maybe I typed ls and expected it to respond when hitting enter

if it was rebooting when you were connected, it should output a lot of thins

10:41 PM

you would notice that

ok

10:43 PM

btw I rehooked it and the kobo responds, I can type things in minicom

10:43 PM

it still only shows what I'm typing so it's useless

10:43 PM

but it's something

reboot the kobo

10:45 PM

with the power butto

led is blinking green but nothing shows up on the kobo screen

10:51 PM

one reboot later it works again but still nothing shows up

10:51 PM

one character showed up

10:53 PM

I'm gonna stop spamming for now and read some manuals

10:53 PM

lol

your connection is bad propably

10:54 PM

or you have set the wrong baud rate

omg there's a third rx /tx pin

11:00 PM

WHY

what

11:00 PM

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/809205711778480162/1024399393920659578 One where I initially connected on this pic, one on the right (in the red "paint") and one at the top right

maybe just ask @tux-linux which one is the good one?

I'm gonna kick someone in the balls

Aramir

I'm gonna kick someone in the balls

11:02 PM

the night is not over yet, it can still happen

11:04 PM

So I tried the one labelled J2, J5 and not J1 yet

Aramir

omg there's a third rx /tx pin

It's called gnd

xd no that's not what I meant

11:10 PM

gimme a minute

11:13 PM

There's 3 sets of serial pins

11:13 PM

I've been trying to get an answer from J2 and J5 for a couple hours for now and just noticed J1 at top

11:13 PM

is it this one I'm supposed to connect to ? (edited)

try every one

11:32 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

can't even type using J1

first you need u boot logs...

oh yeah I try that everytime

11:51 PM

ofc I got nothing

Aramir

is it this one I'm supposed to connect to ? (edited)

I don't remember Probably j5

12:03 AM

what is writed on this IC exactly

12:03 AM

https://www.ti.com/product/MSP430G2533/part-details/MSP430G2533IPW28

12:04 AM

i doubt its this

MSP430 is right, no idea if there are different variants

43062333

12:11 AM

I'm done for tonight

12:12 AM

I'm more damaging the board that actually soldering stuff

12:12 AM

I'm buying a new iron tomorrow

12:14 AM

hopefuly I haven't totally destroyed eveything yet

12:16 AM

I tried everything so I m assuming I just suck at soldiering

12:17 AM

which honestly isn't that far off. It's probably my worst soldering job yet but I swear this thing can barely melt the tin

12:19 AM

Gonna get a new tip at the very least

12:20 AM

kinda hard to take pic of my tip (that's what he said)

thats what he said

https://www.ti.com/product/MSP430G2333

12:33 AM

freaking weird

12:34 AM

kobo are you drunk

12:34 AM

the serial connection nextto this chip is to program it

12:36 AM

btw thats a short for sure

12:36 AM

why youdont check the connections with a multi meter?

12:36 AM

+ you are doingg all of this woth the battery connected

12:36 AM

not a fan of this

I'm not. I'm just reconnecting it to test thing (edited)

12:38 AM

next chapter tomorrow. I'm honestly worried that I've destroyed the pad with this iron. (edited)

Szybet

the serial connection nextto this chip is to program it

so what you're saying is that J1 is definetly not the one to be used

12:40 AM

I'm longing for that J5

12:41 AM

but that's the one with a big gaping hole instead of a ground at this point. Not that it really matters there's ground everywhere

Also that ground wire wasn't shorting when placed face down. It looks like it s shorting there because I was holding it weirdly for the pic (edited)

12:53 AM

Hopefully tomorrow will be better with proper gear. Otherwise I ll crack open the glo hd and move on to it (edited)

http://gethighstayhigh.co.uk/kobo-self-build/ so it looks like it should indeed be J5

gethighs

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Which Kobo Model? Your new Kobo – firmware update Your new Kobo – backup the SD Card Connecting an instrument to a Kobo – overview Removing the rear cover Inside a Kobo – Serial port Inside a Kobo – SD Card Inside a Kobo – Battery Dissembling a Kobo Connecting a Bluefly to the Kobo … Continue reading Kobo Self Build →

9:46 AM

Also wow, what a neet usecase

you son of a b***

10:31 AM

@Szybet the wiring diagram for the uart was wrong ..... or at the very least missleading, it inversed rx and tx. And I have to NOT connect ground

10:32 AM

thanks ali express

10:33 AM

it's so beautiful I want to throw up.

10:34 AM

or that's just my covid. (turns out I've got 38,8°c so I might actually be sick) (edited)

Aramir

@Szybet the wiring diagram for the uart was wrong ..... or at the very least missleading, it inversed rx and tx. And I have to NOT connect ground

-_-- i said invert tx rx

and I tried but probably on J2 not J5

it's all stupid stuff, I accept full responsibility.

well you learned things

thanks for putting up with me

10:41 AM

The worst thing is ..... I now remember that the ground caused similar trouble last time too

Is it normal that I can't pass the booting kernel step when I'm connected ?

11:36 AM

(stock rom here, but same with inkbox)

11:39 AM

... nevermind now it does... I'm gonna resit the sd card ribbon (even tho it boots just fine when serial isn't connected) just to be safe and try to mess around with baudrate to get rid of those weird characters (edited)

figured it out

12:14 PM

turns out the ground is needed but I probably burnt the pad on board woopsie.

And now I can forget about this whole mess

Aramir

or that's just my covid. (turns out I've got 38,8°c so I might actually be sick) (edited)

i'm sick too :p

So just for fun I wanted to try to make it work on my WSL2 setup. Because I like pain. And turns out : 1/ you still can't connect usb devices to WSL2 => solved, you can connect them through ip using usbipd https://github.com/dorssel/usbipd-win/wiki/WSL-support. Pretty easy. 2/ the debian kernel provided by microsoft does not have the pl2303.ko module required to use my specific USB-UART device. And you can't add compile and add modules to it. Therefore I have to recompile a kernel.

I will not spam here about this don't worry. I just wanted to share my experience so far as I think I'm pretty much the only mad enough to use WSL2 around here. I'll come back to share if I succeeded. see ya all.

https://archlinux.org/download/

8:41 PM

the perfect solution

8:41 PM

i know

8:41 PM

no need to thank me

XD I know

8:53 PM

I just want to see if it can be done.

That was quite easy actually. Some instructions if someone crazy enough wants to give it a try somehow :

// Assuming you're already running a WSL2 (debian) 

//**************** How to serial connect in WSL2  ****************
1/ install usbipd on windows's side to share usb device through IP with WSL2, more info here : https://github.com/dorssel/usbipd-win/wiki/WSL-support

2/ install bunch of necessary software in WSL2 (might be some unnecessary ones depends of your needs, distrib) with : 
sudo apt install linux-tools-5.10 usbip hwdata usbutils usbserial setserial

3/ In some Admin Powershell (urgh), lis usb devices busids with : usbipd wsl list

4/ link usb device to WSL2 with usbipd wsl attach --busid [BUS_ID]

5/ check if /dev/ttyUSBxxx shows up. If not ... guess what ... WSL2 kernel probably doesn't have your device's driver. To be sure, check it out with ls -l /sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers. You'll have to build your own kernel then.

//**************** How to build custom WSL2 kernel  ****************

1/ sudo apt install build-essential flex bison libssl-dev libelf-dev git dwarves

2/ git clone https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel.git

3/ cd WSL2-Linux-Kernel

4/ cp Microsoft/config-wsl .config (might as well change CONFIG_LOCALVERSION in it while you're at it so you can differentiate your kernel later on)

5/ Make menuconfig

6/ Enable your driver : Device Drivers -> USB Support -> USB Serial Converter support -> [whatever device you're using]

7/ make -j xxx  (xxx being how many cores you want to build with)

8/ cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /mnt/c/[USER_NAME]/wsl_kernel

9/ Create the following file C:\Users\<UserName>\.wslconfig with this content : 
[wsl2]
kernel=C:\\Users\\aramir\\wsl_kernel

10/ in powershell/cmd wsl --shutdown (just to be sure)

11/ relaunch your WSL2 and check out your new kernel with : uname -a and voila !

~~im sure installing linux is quicker~~

^^

If I had to do it from scratch it'd probably take me 20 minutes including kernel's compilation.

10:16 PM

so 5 minutes following the instructions and 15 minutes sitting on my chair and watching youtube.

10:18 PM

but honesty I discovered that "make menuconfig" step during wsl2's kernel compilation have been quite eyes opening. I've seen ways to enable multiple things that I've been missing until now. So I'm glad I did it, I learned some things.

10:19 PM

i dont know if spaming linux memes is against the server rules

10:19 PM

but i will keep doing it

Aramir

but honesty I discovered that "make menuconfig" step during wsl2's kernel compilation have been quite eyes opening. I've seen ways to enable multiple things that I've been missing until now. So I'm glad I did it, I learned some things.

is it diffrent from bare linux?

not really, but that's the only way to add driver (and other useful options) I don't usually mess around compiling my own kernel. I've probably done it 10 times max including when I add to compile Android's kernel. (edited)

10:25 PM

So I can't compare every submenus and play "spot the difference"

its the same

from what I remember, yes it's very similar

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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345181 you could mention me that he asked ;v

Nia Needed help with USB OTG get to working - MobileRead Forums

Nia Needed help with USB OTG get to working Kobo Developer's Corner

and there were no messages in my inbox on this forum

11:21 PM

im subscribed to those threads (edited)

11:22 PM

god fkjsdnfksajndkjsankjdsnakj why does everyone use this forum

cause there's no other :p

even fb would be better

Szybet

even fb would be better

N o

3:43 PM

You can theme it too

how?

3:54 PM

my themer extension doesnt work good

Directly from the website?

well then

6:05 PM

i didnt found thid option

6:05 PM

Szybet

god fkjsdnfksajndkjsankjdsnakj why does everyone use this forum

i got banned for rickrolling :P

dill

i got banned for rickrolling :P

admins are stupid

there goes my week end .... https://github.com/ashawkey/stable-dreamfusion

GitHub - ashawkey/stable-dreamfusion: A working implementation of t...

A working implementation of text-to-3D dreamfusion, powered by stable diffusion. - GitHub - ashawkey/stable-dreamfusion: A working implementation of text-to-3D dreamfusion, powered by stable diffus...

thats cool

Never seen that before...

3:39 AM

gentoo/gentoo

That's a lot of fork OO

https://www.amazon.com/eink-display/s?k=eink+display

Amazon.com: Eink Display

Amazon.com: eink display

11:06 PM

they are still expensive as hell...

you can always save a couple bucks and go to the good ol aliexpress https://aliexpress.com/item/32811616852.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.63f2f6b5F57fNn&algo_pvid=58aa1885-3122-4448-95ca-838741813d49&algo_exp_id=58aa1885-3122-4448-95ca-838741813d49-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2264564086503%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21EUR%2115.38%2113.84%21%21%214.21%21%21%400b0a050b16655234894517923e76dc%2164564086503%21sea&curPageLogUid=2jFjYEuKo16e

without a driver

12:25 AM

still its small for that size

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wow, welcome

10:19 PM

it has been a while that a new peson showed up

Queam of Wheat

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10:19 PM

@Que... he left

10:19 PM

nice... (edited)

lmaoooo

Yes... The curse of this discord server...

0 messages are sent in my server lmao

hmmm you have a server ?

Aramir

hmmm you have a server ?

there are his friends

11:50 PM

and shitposting

yeah

12:16 AM

basically

Aramir

hmmm you have a server ?

all my friends just shitpost random stuff

oh ok. I thought it was yet another ereader discord for a moment ^^

@Szybet btw, i don't regret buying this laptop one bit

nice

6:34 AM

i hope it stays like that

6:35 AM

breaking hinges, problems with bios, the lcd cable, keyboard...

6:36 AM

i have these problems with... ~4000 zł laptop from 6 years ago

damn!

24/10/2005

as i understand, happy birthday?

tux-linux

24/10/2005

if this is your birth date, then im one year older

yes

1:54 PM

you were born on 24th of October too?

no, 26 but still close

1:55 PM

wszystkiego najlepszego z okazji urodzin then

1

So we are 17 for two days

yea

1

tux-linux

24/10/2005

:D happy birthday!

4:55 PM

thanks!

damn it I keep forgeting you're both so young.

8:38 PM

happy birthday tho

8:38 PM

2

Aramir

damn it I keep forgeting you're both so young.

i'm 14

eink under a microscope

3:39 PM

its not completly black :(

it's still ok

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@atro and? any conclusions?

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I'm still reading and taking notes, I'll get my hands on a real device in a few days (probably three days from now). I definitely want to get involved in the implementation and testing for the Clara HD

4:18 PM

Just so you know, I tried some embedded programming a few times (but I'm far from good), I did study C++ and am a Rust developer as of now, I'm also a GNU/Linux user so I'm able to write bash

4:19 PM

I think that I can help but I may need some guidance

4:22 PM

However if everything goes right I'm planning on helping with new devices or with the Qt part (I don't know Qt at all, but I'd like to learn it)

qt is easy to learn

4:49 PM

~~but hard to use~~

4:50 PM

well from your description you have similar abilities as me, and i contributed a lot to this project

4:50 PM

lots of code was rewritten to rust for example

4:51 PM

for now, me and @tux-linux dont have time, so the project is in freeze before a b i g and major 2.0 release

4:52 PM

if you want to contribute... i dont know if clara is a good choice

4:53 PM

from what i remember, fbink didn't worked, and i dont think you can help with it. @andi what is the state of clara kernel?

I remember reading that fbink doesn't work on the Clara HD, however I don't know what it is yet

6:24 PM

@Szybet is there any area that you suggest to start contributing?

atro

I remember reading that fbink doesn't work on the Clara HD, however I don't know what it is yet

fbink is the key componnent to show anything on the eink screen

atro

@Szybet is there any area that you suggest to start contributing?

whatever you would want, really

6:25 PM

if you see something that you could improve, then do it

I was looking into the Clara HD because it's cheap and looks nice but seems like you're advising against working on it, is fbink that hard to port?

for 90% yes

6:35 PM

its kernel related stuff

6:35 PM

kobo nia is cheap too, and its fully supportefd

6:36 PM

there simply were cases that we couldnt port inkbox to a device, it depends on many people so, if you want to contribute, then buy a device that already the low level stuff is done

6:36 PM

thats my opinion and suggestion, your decission can be diffrent

Yes, Nia is cheaper than the Clara but the resolution is too low for my taste

its not that bad

6:37 PM

wait for andi reply about the clara kernel, he will know more

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6:39 PM

also, it would be sad if you got a device and porting inkbox to it would be impossible / to hard for us

6:39 PM

thats what i would like to avoid

Yes, I'm grateful for that heads up because that would actually be really sad

There were never any FBInk issues ;o) (edited)

but it doesnt work

And we handled the mainline kernels detection a few months ago for devices where it was problematic (IIRC, the Tolinos based on < Mk. 7 boards) (edited)

IDK whats the problem, andi could explain

Okay, I forgot that the first bit affected the Clara IFF the NTX HWConfig block was not accessible

7:06 PM

https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/issues/70

wrong ioctl seen on Kobo Clara HD · Issue #70 · NiLuJe/FBInk

On Kobo Clara HD with 5.17.10 near-mainline-kernel + Debian + user in video group: andi@akepd:~/FBInk$ groups andi video andi@akepd:~/FBInk$ Release/fbink -s [FBInk] Couldn't find a Kobo ve...

7:06 PM

In any case, it's fixed (edited)

Szybet

from what i remember, fbink didn't worked, and i dont think you can help with it. @andi what is the state of clara kernel?

I brought Inkbox support as far as telnetting into the debug shell

7:35 PM

and having display output

does eink work?

yes

hmm @tux-linux what do you think, the rest is possible?

It "works" but needs further testing regarding Qt GUI

and backend things

I had a generous donation sent in the other day, I need to get some more money but I think I'll be able to buy one soon

wait wait wait

I provide two sets of kernels for it, one with eink-drm

you didnt read

and one with eink-fbdev

I'm speaking about eink

@tux-linux read what @atro is talking about

I read the last 10 messages I don't have much time

well then read them later

7:38 PM

no hurry

Kobo Clara support should help for running anything near-mainline

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well @Carol12321 welcome, any questions? what is your purpuse here?

9:09 PM

@atro idk if you readed the conversations, the kobo clara is portable, just some work needs to be done

@Szybet that's good news, I'll be happy to buy one and help out

andi

Kobo Clara support should help for running anything near-mainline

Does this mean that once Kobo Clara is ported, other Kobo devices will be able to use the same kernel?

atro

Does this mean that once Kobo Clara is ported, other Kobo devices will be able to use the same kernel?

not the same, but use the same custom drivers / code in a perfect scenario only the device tree and config would need to be changed

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4:02 PM

Hey folks. I used to be a lead of OpenInkpot project. Nice to see new project with "build from ground up" idea.

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Mike Dotty

Hey folks. I used to be a lead of OpenInkpot project. Nice to see new project with "build from ground up" idea.

Hi, truly an honour to have you here. Would not have expected an ancient OpenInkpot developer at any time, it was a really great project

Thanks. I look back at it with a bit of a shame, it was so mismanaged :) (edited)

4:15 PM

Anyway, after a long spell with Kindle I'm interested again in hacking on more open e-book readers.

wwlcome

4:42 PM

openinkpot? havent heard of it

Oh, I feel so old now. https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Openinkpot

Openinkpot

wow cool

atro

@Szybet that's good news, I'll be happy to buy one and help out

so @tux-linux maybe buy another device?

Szybet

not the same, but use the same custom drivers / code in a perfect scenario only the device tree and config would need to be changed

with good chances the same kernel but different device tree. Configuration can be probably simplified, since kernel interfaces are more standard, e.g. clear patterns for button/led names, avoiding dealing with usb power supply falsely declared as battery (as in ntx 4.1.15 kernels) . And if configuration files are suffixed with a compatible string from /sys/firmware/devicetree/base/compatible, so they can coexist in the same image, so in the end we have waveform + uboot + devicetree as a difference in the device images.

12:10 AM

some crazy idea I have:

12:17 AM

what about creating an update file for kobos which puts them into that lowlevel download mode (by doing the

eBR-1A # mw 20d8040 30
eBR-1A # mw 20d8044 10000000
reset

sequence via /dev/mem) once so then a uboot can be loaded which exposes the emmc/sdcard via usb, so backups can be done easily?

2

12:20 AM

That is a bit less instrusive than that bootenv flash method I proposed for the Kobo Libra H2O

12:22 AM

the update file could probably be created an such a way that it happens only once, so no permanent changes are done

12:22 AM

downside is that a uboot configured for that task is needed

andi

what about creating an update file for kobos which puts them into that lowlevel download mode (by doing the

eBR-1A # mw 20d8040 30
eBR-1A # mw 20d8044 10000000
reset

sequence via /dev/mem) once so then a uboot can be loaded which exposes the emmc/sdcard via usb, so backups can be done easily?

thats the way i plan to inkbox be installed without dissasembling the device, with an installer that will exist... one day

12:27 AM

but how do you do that without everwriting uboot

well, that download mode is hardcoded in the SoC itself, uboot is then loaded from usb into ram

12:32 AM

until now I triggered that download mode only from uboot cmdline

12:33 AM

but yesterday I successfully triggered a similar mode on a omap4 device I am trying to hack via /dev/mem and rebooting via /proc/sysrq-trigger

andi

what about creating an update file for kobos which puts them into that lowlevel download mode (by doing the

eBR-1A # mw 20d8040 30
eBR-1A # mw 20d8044 10000000
reset

sequence via /dev/mem) once so then a uboot can be loaded which exposes the emmc/sdcard via usb, so backups can be done easily?

But then what about if this update goes wrong

andi

but yesterday I successfully triggered a similar mode on a omap4 device I am trying to hack via /dev/mem and rebooting via /proc/sysrq-trigger

Oh great No MMC write

are ntx cpus programmable? like they have a flash with settings or something

Yes please, non intrusive inkbox installation would give it a much bigger adoption rate.

Szybet

are ntx cpus programmable? like they have a flash with settings or something

and im planning here to swap cpus on kindles to unlock them ;P

afaik they are programmable

4:56 PM

the imx6sl (not the ll) support some kind of secure boot

4:57 PM

so they can cryptographically check the bootloader and reject it

5:00 PM

called High assurance boot

yea, and replacing the cpu will fix the problem? (edited)

I remember there is also a security hole up to chip revision X

really?

https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/research/e-readers

E-readers

5:04 PM

unsigned bootloaders This requirements can be lifted on devices with the following System On a Chip, if they were made before July 2017: NXP I.MX6 Quad NXP I.MX6 QuadPlus NXP I.MX6 Dual NXP I.MX6 DualLite NXP I.MX6 DualPlus NXP I.MX6 Solo NXP I.MX6 SoloX NXP I.MX6 SoloLite NXP I.MX6 UltraLite NXP I.MX6 ULL NXP I.MX53 NXP I.MX50 NXP VFxxx This is because such chip contains a hardware security flaw enabling to execute your code nevertheless.

yea but... how to exploit it?

5:08 PM

cool list, i dont see a CVE description or something

I do not have a better source

5:11 PM

https://community.nxp.com/t5/i-MX-Processors/HAB-vulnerability-ROM-update/m-p/701140

HAB vulnerability - ROM update

Hello, I'd like to ask whether i.MX6DL parts with updated ROM that fixes mentioned vulnerability [1] are already available? I came across some links [2], [3] but it is still not clear to me. Second question is how can I be sure that bought part has this ROM update included? I'd like to know which R...

5:11 PM

CVE-2017-7932)

it is possible to bypass the signature verification by using a specially crafted certificate leading to the execution of an unsigned image.

5:13 PM

i think swapping the cpu would be easier ;p

depends on your skills

5:14 PM

and the amount of devices

5:14 PM

you need to create such a certificate once

5:15 PM

but you need to swap cpus on every device

cpu swap will work on every one

5:18 PM

and this, not really

5:18 PM

also i plan this only as a proof of concept to free a ereader

5:19 PM

and a opportunity to solder some big bga chips

well, I think you need only one certificate per chip type

5:25 PM

so if there is a proper installation process, people repeat it without soldering skills

well, if the cpu is old enough

6:00 PM

but please, before soldering something new in, try to find out as many connections as possible (edited)

6:00 PM

so everything wihch can be more easily figured out without cpu

sure

6:29 PM

but in the far future

Szybet

cpu swap will work on every one

you forgot one factor: average human stupidity (edited)

i dont expect anyone to swap out a bga cpu

1:48 PM

but in theory every laptop repair service could do it if you ask gently, they have special bga swap machines

1:50 PM

well now I have something

is this solder lead free?

yes

i once had one without lead

1:51 PM

i tossed it out of my window and went get a proper one

well, I will see

1:52 PM

this solder

1:53 PM

it has lead + soldering flux in it

1:53 PM

the best, i use it all my life

I don't have flux here it seems

yea

1:56 PM

dont even try to solder without flux with this solder you have

I will ask my grandfather; he has some

1:57 PM

probably 50-year-old flux, but still works (edited)

@Szybet found the Clara HD, should arrive this friday

cool

well @atro do you have an arduino, pi, serial to usb converter? one of them will be needed

8:29 PM

What happened again with your legs?

8:29 PM

also, i would like to discuss the snow thing...

8:29 PM

@dill

Szybet

What happened again with your legs?

ok so remember when i broke my ankle?

8:29 PM

i just injured my OTHER ankle

8:29 PM

and now walking is painful

Szybet

also, i would like to discuss the snow thing...

i live in canada

dill

and now walking is painful

then don't

dill

ok so remember when i broke my ankle?

i remember, thats why i ask

lol

Szybet

then don't

i am at school

dill

i live in canada

dying out of heat is worse

i have to walk around

Szybet

dying out of heat is worse

true

dill

i am at school

hear me out

8:32 PM

leave

LMAO

8:32 PM

painkiller sunglasis

today was the secont time tux-linux started typing and doesnt dinished

dill

painkiller sunglasis

;_;

lol

if its serious and you wont heal it, only worsen it you will be walking in a half disabled way rest of your life

nah its a minor sprain (edited)

Szybet

also, i would like to discuss the snow thing...

@Szybet what's going on here?

snow discussions

We will have snow soon here

i propably, never

8:58 PM

for maybe 2 days

edmonton

dill

edmonton

lets build a snowman

i've done that hundreds of times (edited)

one more

9:05 PM

one more

9:05 PM

one more

lmao

@tux-linux https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/yqyffj/i_just_had_to_do_it_amd_athlon_xp_2600_256mb_ram/

r/Gentoo - I just had to do it! (AMD Athlon XP 2600+, 256MB ram, 80...

98 votes and 25 comments so far on Reddit

@atro and? what with the clara?

2

this project has a curse or what D:

LMAO another clara HD

12:37 AM

I told you

I might get a Clara HD but since I'm already getting a phone I'm probably not allowed

tux-linux

I told you

Did you get a 2e?

no

Alright

tux-linux

no

You need 100 bucks, right?

About that, idk exactly

Its 160 here in Alberta

6:17 AM

Idk how much it is in QC tho

Well, I've got some spare money but haven't decided whether I should spend it on this or on a remarkable

Oh true

Because it will be useful for college

6:25 AM

Snow has arrived

remarkable for inkbox doesnt have much sense

tux-linux

Snow has arrived

cool where is a snow man

tux-linux

Snow has arrived

you're 2 weeks late

3:58 PM

:P

It snowed in the beginning of November here

4:12 PM

I hate the weather in Alberta

Szybet

remarkable for inkbox doesnt have much sense

Why not

4:13 PM

It's a powerful device

we lack the software for now

4:27 PM

most importantly note taking

Thats true but still it can be done... painfully

i plan it in the future for the nia

4:28 PM

if i will be able to create a pen myself

first snow also here, but it does not stay yet, temperature is still above freezing point

Szybet

most importantly note taking

yes but the screen is too small

scrolling

5:38 PM

i mean

5:38 PM

page changing

Szybet

well @atro do you have an arduino, pi, serial to usb converter? one of them will be needed

I have both a serial-USB and a Pi, however they're in my old house :/

5:39 PM

@Szybet can I safely turn it one to fiddle with it or do I need to back up the partitions before the first boot?

well, serial usb are cheap >3$ even

atro

@Szybet can I safely turn it one to fiddle with it or do I need to back up the partitions before the first boot?

what do you mean exactly? My english is limited

do they need to back up the partitions

5:42 PM

or can they turn it on to play with it

I just received my Kobo Clara HD, I haven't turned it on yet

5:42 PM

Yup, exactly what Dill said (edited)

you can use it with the stock firmware, sure

5:45 PM

maybe

5:45 PM

hmm

5:46 PM

if you really want, you can make a backup, because the stock firmware from factory will be diffrent from a updated one

5:46 PM

maybe it will be important in the future

5:46 PM

but your decission

5:46 PM

as for porting inkbox, before we do anything, you need to make a backup. It is neccesery even if you install inkbox on an already ported device

iirc clara hd has an internal microSD card

5:47 PM

just buy another

5:48 PM

another 8gb or something

? a backup is still needed

5:48 PM

a micro sd card is easy to get lost

yeah true

5:49 PM

i mean to say

5:49 PM

get a new microSD card

5:49 PM

and make a backup of the original

5:49 PM

and keep the original in a safe place

eink wave share calibration things on the sd card are special for this and other eink from one line from the factory so, not eassly recoverable and needed to use the screen

i dont know what these things mean

make a backup, and make 3 backups of that backup. in short

clara hd images are available

5:52 PM

ask on MR

5:52 PM

i got banned from that forum for rickrolling

5:53 PM

Szybet

eink wave share calibration things on the sd card are special for this and other eink from one line from the factory so, not eassly recoverable and needed to use the screen

there is no guarantee it will work with his device most likely it will ,but still

backup the shit out of that microSD card then @atro

5:54 PM

this is the answer

yeah

5:54 PM

always backup

5:55 PM

i have a backup .img on google drive (edited)

I disassembled it, I'm gonna buy some microSD cards, the serial-USB, some jumpers and a microSD to USB because that's also too far to reach

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atro

I disassembled it, I'm gonna buy some microSD cards, the serial-USB, some jumpers and a microSD to USB because that's also too far to reach

cool, make some photos and post them

you can get a microSD card that comes with an SD adapter

1

microSD to USB

what

yeah

Szybet

cool, make some photos and post them

if you really are commited to porting it, create a repo and post everything there like i did https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio

1

Ahahah, yeah I usually go with the USB adapter because I'm scared of the SD card getting stuck

oh yeah that's why i use a usb adapter as well

oh something like that

5:58 PM

cool

Szybet

cool, make some photos and post them

I only opened the back for now, do I also need screwdrivers to open everything or is it okay, I can already see the 4 pins where I'll probably have to connect the serial-usb

Idk, post the photos

6:01 PM

i cant see what you seee

already took out the microSD?

6:06 PM

Yep, I wanted to check the size

oh it should be 8gb

6:08 PM

isnt it written on the card itself

very similar to the nia

6:09 PM

be carefull to not touch anything else

6:09 PM

the battery is connected, you could cause a short

Okay, thanks for the suggestion

6:15 PM

I'll order everything and let you know

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its the clara one, not the new 2e one?

Yes, it's the old one

6:18 PM

I think that no work has been done for the 2e yet

oh okay

6:18 PM

i was confused for a second

atro

I think that no work has been done for the 2e yet

no one really started, even wanted to so yea

I like 2e because it's waterproof, but I figured I'd start with something easier

waterproof... eink dont like humidity

6:20 PM

they get yellow

6:20 PM

so i wonder how

Ah, I didn't know that

also see the porting / Kobo Clara HD thread

1

7:16 PM

for the last state there

in #porting? (edited)

1

yes

@alex(O_o) did you wake up?

11:48 PM

;o

11:49 PM

i saw you writing

yep im awake

11:52 PM

not for long

11:53 PM

it's 23:53 here and i need to sleep

11:54 PM

i was reading the news about the clara hd

11:56 PM

i can try to help a bit in the next days

well your initiative is needed

@alex(O_o) we're in the same timezone, that's good if we are both working on the Clara

im also is that timezone

we're all europeans, right ?

yea

Yep

11:59 PM

Italy

niluje and tux-linux are from america ( continent )

Or not ;). (I'm French) (edited)

i saw you online more when tux-linux was, so in american timezone

I'm on an inverted schedule

this explains a bit

Ready

@dill what tool did you use for backing up every partition as a single .img?

that was fast

4:18 PM

gnome-disks has a cool option

Thanks, I'm trying with dd right now

atro

@dill what tool did you use for backing up every partition as a single .img?

Dill isint a contributor / developer of inkbox. Only a user. Because tux-linux doesnt have time currently, ask me for things, i will answer or redirect it to niluje or andi if its their topic

atro

Thanks, I'm trying with dd right now

also good

Okay, the first thing I'll need is understanding the steps to boot linux

make a backup, then we can go further

Backup completed

lets move to #porting clara thread

4:59 PM

atro

@dill what tool did you use for backing up every partition as a single .img?

every partition?

i already explained

i think i used balenaEtcher

7:03 PM

oh ok

no...

7:03 PM

not flash, backup it

wait no i used dd

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7:03 PM

sorry my mistake

the whole disk

10:01 PM

including the unpartitioned space

10:01 PM

I keep the original card as is

@dill @tux-linux how do you keep those cables in stable place when serial connection is going on?

11:58 PM

asking for atro, he will not solder and i dont remember how

Szybet

@dill @tux-linux how do you keep those cables in stable place when serial connection is going on?

Nicolas uses plasticine (modeling clay)

And toothpicks

what

atro

Backup completed

so dd if=/dev/sdX of=kobo-image.img (where X is replaced by the letter for your sdcard reader). losetup -r -P -f backup.img produces some /dev/loopXp1 and so on and that can be mounted?

idk about the losetup thing but the dd is correct

you are keeping talking about a thing that was resolved 3 days ago

i'm stupid like that

would there be anyone willing to test a new kernel on the nia?

only im here with the nia

9:03 PM

other nia users are ghosts

ok...

and i dont want to risk :(

btw: does that have two serial ports or one?

9:30 PM

and bluetooth is >4.0?

nia?

Szybet

nia?

yeah

there is a second, smd pads and from what you said those are connected to the missing bluetooth chip

what bt version

IDK, there isint any chip there, only kernel had some drivers for it that i removed, and device tree mentioned this serial port

ok, so I mixed things up

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5:08 PM

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5:18 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

5:25 PM

@NiLuJe if you see this, can you diagnose this eink screen of what could happen?

Szybet

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impossible

what

the price lol

5:27 PM

12 dollars

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Szybet

@NiLuJe if you see this, can you diagnose this eink screen of what could happen?

Please don't tell me it's your nia

nooooooo, its a listing on a local site, a aura for 69 zł

Oh Well the screen seems broken

i know that too....

Yeah it looks like my cracked mini

but maybe something inside, like a recconection of connectors

6:45 PM

im looking for an easy fix ereader

Replace the scree

6:45 PM

n

6:45 PM

Its not worth the money

eink cost is 80% cost of the ereader

Yea

Hard to say. It might be a badly seated cable, but it might also be a clean vertical break on a fault line

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just a side note: I trying to convince the bt200 (not an ebook reader) to accept newer stuff (it has Android 4.0.4). It has eMMC and uSD, I try to keep the eMMC mostly intact and put the new stuff on uSD. It is a bit hacking unfriendly. I need to short a soldering jumper to have access to u-boot over 1.8V serial or have any serial output on standard kernel. I had the impression, that it would boot from USB, UART and then uSD if eMMC fails. But I wanted to "dry-test" it before, So what did I: I put a 470 ohm resistor between the DAT0 line of the eMMC and ground. That was enough so that the eMMC could not be properly detected. So I could check whether the boot order was as expected

10:55 PM

luckily I even did not need to solder it, because DAT0 was available at a via. the wired resistor got some hold there

10:56 PM

That might also be a recovery option for some ebook readers without uSD, but you have to find the lines...

So in short: you disabled the emmc so it would boot from other things?

yes

i also thought about it, but whats the point of it when you cant overwrite the eemc then

disable it temporarlly until bootloader from uSD starts

uSD?

or USB

11:26 PM

or whatever recovery option there is

if you disable it, it will wait for another recovery and then it will wait for it, and you can reenable the eemc?

yes

wow

11:27 PM

cool

11:28 PM

i though the eemc wouldn't work after that

it must be working at probing time

11:29 PM

so the boot rom in the SoC probes it, u-boot probes it, the kernel probes it

good then

11:29 PM

but on most devices we dont know the pinout

11:30 PM

what about cutting a pcb line, to make it not working? of course not GND and VCC because it would be bad, but some others

depends on what is available, here it might be sufficient to short GND+VCC, because separate regulator and short-circuit proof

apart from that that a bit of solder on the data line can make it go woooo because of fast speed transfers...

thet main point is getting information out of it

andi

depends on what is available, here it might be sufficient to short GND+VCC, because separate regulator and short-circuit proof

we dont know if there is a short protection too

well, you have to do some research before doing too risky opertions

11:33 PM

here I played around with pullup/down settings

11:33 PM

while card was not active

maybe write this info somewhere down

11:33 PM

not only on discord

11:33 PM

it might be helpfull in the future

yes, a proper backup of /dev/brain should be done

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discord changed their font strange

Yeah it's called GG Sans

4:45 PM

It looks... weird

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welcome

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2:48 PM

Hey!

What is your goal here?

Ahh I bought a cheap ereader myself, in part for use with home assistant. I saw someone mention it in regards to inkbox, and after trying it out (I have a tolino shine, but it's analogous to a Kobo Glo) I really liked inkbox. At least here so I don't forget to update, but perhaps if needed I'm keen to do some testing on my device as well :)

you are the guy from mobile read forums?

5:40 PM

well for testing your initiative is needed

5:40 PM

you would need to compile inkbox for root edition, and then compile things when developers want you to test

5:42 PM

i can create for you a Tester role if you want, but i doubt you will want to do it, its a lot of work ( well it depends, just software testing ), and 95% of people give up

5:43 PM

as for updating inkbox, there are a lot things in mainline and not in 2.0, so if you want the latest version you need to compile them yourself ( there are A LOT of things ), if you want to test, start with 2.0 features

Szybet

you are the guy from mobile read forums?

Ah no that was someone else haha

7:42 PM

I think for testing in that case I may not be the right person indeed

At least, for testing more of the backend stuff. If needed I can at least try images out on my device tho :)

Slalamander

I think for testing in that case I may not be the right person indeed

At least, for testing more of the backend stuff. If needed I can at least try images out on my device tho :)

Really, only time and will is needed. Nothing more. ( well a computer too... )

7:48 PM

if a skill is needee, we will teach you soo

Ah in that case, you can put me in a tester role for now, I'd be happy to help :) Usually I'll have enough time.

well first you need to compile inkbox for yourself, i can instruct you on #quill how to do it, after that i can give you the role

Is it okay to do that tomorrow? It's a bit too late for me right now to still get started with that

its a long process for unexperienced people, it will take time

Slalamander

Is it okay to do that tomorrow? It's a bit too late for me right now to still get started with that

also i dont have time 24/7, so its okay, its just important to not give up

9:20 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Szybet

also i dont have time 24/7, so its okay, its just important to not give up

If you have time tonight, I suppose a basic set of starting points/resources can help me get started tomorrow, and I'll update you on how far I get

i dont

10:30 PM

but

10:31 PM

look up #porting clara hd thread, it says a bit about porting not testing, but still the knowledge links there are usefull

10:31 PM

also in #chat and #quill was a guy who compiled inkbox for himself, i cant remember, but tux-linux helped him do it

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nwroot

are there compilation instructions for inkbox

here, here is the guy

10:34 PM

the steps are indentical almost, but you dont need to partition the sd card for example, just the kernel and rootfs

10:34 PM

feel free to ask me at #quill even if im not active, i will answer as soon as i can

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10:11 PM

such an rarity

hehe

10:12 PM

init is almost ready

cool

10:12 PM

like for 100%?

10:12 PM

i can test it soon

yes

cool

i'm debugging some issues on kindle right now

2.0 before new year?

no

D:

not possible

Szybet

2.0 before new year?

high school is stressful lol (edited)

as for to do list, only audio and update system is some major work

and clara support

dill

high school is stressful lol (edited)

you dont have the school off till new year?

we have a snowstorm here so I have one more free day

tux-linux

and clara support

do you have the device?

Szybet

you dont have the school off till new year?

today was my last day before winter break

tux-linux

we have a snowstorm here so I have one more free day

nothing more?

vacation started today

dill

today was my last day before winter break

cool, test sanki then if you have time ;P

yesterday i had two exams

tux-linux

vacation started today

yea thats my point

tux-linux

yesterday i had two exams

i hope they got well

i couldn't believe it was the 22nd of december

tux-linux

we have a snowstorm here so I have one more free day

just didn't go together

dill

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yes, it's coming... supposed to lower soon

tux-linux

yes, it's coming... supposed to lower soon

keep in mind that wednesday was -45 with wind chill over here

nice

10:17 PM

i guess

Szybet

cool, test sanki then if you have time ;P

i'll do my best :D

dill

keep in mind that wednesday was -45 with wind chill over here

holy crap

tux-linux

nice

nope lol

-20 was max in poland

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Szybet

holy crap

colder than antarctica this week

10:17 PM

lmao

i don't recall having -45 here in my life coldest was probably -35 or -38

wow

10:18 PM

edmonton weather SUCKS

i like winter

i like november in edmonton

10:19 PM

that's about it

Happy Christmas, Hanouka and whatnot to you all !

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I should program a Christmas Easter egg (get it?) in InkBox

2:00 PM

@Szybet ideas?

for this christmas? how are you supposed to ship it

For future Christmases

2:05 PM

Something that would only show on 25th of December

the app menu could have a diffrent icon composed of stars for christmas, or eggs for... the second one

2:07 PM

for now its only dots

Oh I know

and maybe for a long click ( 2s ) a message would appear

I will replace the home icon by a Christmas tree

Szybet

and maybe for a long click ( 2s ) a message would appear

Yes that too probably

well thats my idea but

2:08 PM

well lets replace all icons with similar ones but themed

You can implement it Just follow code standards and icon sizes (512x512) and I will accept it

2:09 PM

It can be just one icon or many ones

i have diffrent priorities... but sure, i will write it on the second to do list

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Would have been cool to see it for Christmas but anyways I understand

no chance to ship it today

Then maybe I will do it I've got to fix init first though

i mean, you wont make a release today

C is a bit like Qt: sometimes something randomly breaks on one device and segfaults the program and you're never able to figure out why, so you implement questionable alternatives

2:13 PM

wtf

2:13 PM

screen saver for ipd does this

2:13 PM

it worked fine, i leaved the ereader for a month

That's more urgent

inkbox works fine tough

2:13 PM

i will reboot

Check logs

2:13 PM

Now

2:14 PM

Now

2:14 PM

They will be erased at reboot, they live in tmpfs

well im rebooting

2:14 PM

if its not replicable, i dont care

2:14 PM

my ereader is heavly modified, like the sd card extension

2:15 PM

now it works

2:15 PM

Nia, wtf

2:15 PM

maybe even a bit flip

Good, I guess?

2:15 PM

A monstrous bit flip

yea, i dont care

Yesterday I spent almost half an hour trying to wake up my Kindle which seemed stuck somewhere between being alive and dead

2:17 PM

Then I connected it to serial and magic, it worked

did u-boot work?

Not sure

2:17 PM

Now it does

disconnect the battery / check serial

2:18 PM

the first things to check

A bit complicated to disconnect the battery in there I think

nah

2:20 PM

it happened again after second going to sleep

2:20 PM

ehhhhhhh i will get logs

2:24 PM

okay

2:24 PM

find a simlarity

2:24 PM

this and the previous photo

2:24 PM

:P

Merry Christmas everyone !

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2:39 PM

the most polish digital christmas card

2:39 PM

Merry Christmas

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Great?

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saving this

http://www.davisr.me/projects/parabola-rm/#purchase

8:18 PM

wow

yeaaaaaa

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4284081&postcount=46 I have no words wow

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will you copy its improvments into inkbox?

12:21 PM

If you plan to port, then no

12:21 PM

we have already sketch ( rusty ), and i will integrate it into a qt app that will be a notebook (edited)

how will you do that

3:25 PM

kindle

tux-linux

how will you do that

i will drink to much coffe, pass out for the night and wake up with a finished program?

tux-linux

kindle

what is the problem

rust and kindle

3:27 PM

don't remember?

no

not the same eink api

oh well

3:28 PM

im sure plato creator is willing to help port plato to kindle

3:28 PM

thats what i did with him for the nia

3:29 PM

the qt whiteboard will be horrible anyway

3:29 PM

do you remember why we dropped sketch ( qt ) ? (edited)

because you said it was horrible?

no

3:32 PM

because it was horrible

3:32 PM

;p

that's why i was searching for alternatives yesterday (today)

qtpaint is not working great, thats a fact

3:34 PM

and you cant avoid that

3:34 PM

what will happen with the sketch app now? will you replace it with rusty one, and on kindle say "sorry no"?

there are better ones

Szybet

what will happen with the sketch app now? will you replace it with rusty one, and on kindle say "sorry no"?

that's why I was searching for alternatives

tux-linux

there are better ones

as good as platos?

well, depends on the PoV

3:35 PM

but certainly better than qtsketch

3:35 PM

scribble

3:35 PM

i think

until you figure out something more smooth than platos, i want it to be used at default

it won't until it actually exists

what?

well you haven't programmed the app yet

it is there

Szybet

we have already sketch ( rusty ), and i will integrate it into a qt app that will be a notebook (edited)

in the future, for now we have bare plato's sketch

3:38 PM

and its enough to replace the current one for 2.0

3:39 PM

im focusing on audio now

3:39 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/inkbox-audio

Szybet

will you copy its improvments into inkbox?

also this

3:40 PM

also, please focus on this https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/discussions/36 (edited)

3:40 PM

dont add new things

you did not update your repo before starting to commit ?

3:49 PM

you should have made a pr there

nooo, because 1 i cant, you are the fork and 2 we had completly separate code 3 i cant make a pr to a fork

then can you submit a patch that will work for this repo?

3:50 PM

thanks

not really

3:51 PM

just discard your commits and pull the changes

3:51 PM

for the future the main repo should be on the inkbox organisation, this is now a mess

w h a t

3:52 PM

i can't discard my commits

its a mess now

tux-linux

i can't discard my commits

pull changes from main repo

3:52 PM

it will overwrite

but how do you expect it to work like before if it isn't even the same code inside

from what i can remember there was a overwrite / discard commit button

3:57 PM

idk, just copy the code then

can you try to submit a patch for it today? I wanted to work on lockscreen

what im supposed to do

4:04 PM

get your repo, overwrite your code with mine, send a patch?

take the main repo and try to integrate your changes

4:04 PM

yes, sort of

thats stupid a bit

4:04 PM

just copy the code?...

we also don't have the same commits

4:05 PM

i think you are going to run into more issues

not really, the patch will ignore everything else

4:05 PM

also if we want to resolve this, the fork needs then

needs what?

pull changes, overwrite, something

well, yes, and this is what you should have done since the beginning

4:10 PM

before starting to work on it

4:10 PM

i will add it to code standards

tux-linux

well, yes, and this is what you should have done since the beginning

i cant im from the main repooooo

4:12 PM

i cant make a pr, or pull changes from a fork

4:12 PM

the fork needs to make a pull request

Szybet

i cant make a pr, or pull changes from a fork

git remote set-url git@github.com:Kobo-InkBox/epubtool
git pull

done

w h a t

git: exists

how do you expect this to work

it will ask you to merge or smth

yea

4:18 PM

and it will be a mess

it is already a mess

4:18 PM

otherwise, integrate changes manually

it will be more

tux-linux

git remote set-url git@github.com:Kobo-InkBox/epubtool
git pull

done

and how do you expact this to look on github

idk?

tux-linux

otherwise, integrate changes manually

might be the best option

but you need to use my code

4:20 PM

not i yours

then maybe just start with my repo, inspect yours for changes that aren't there (shouldn't be long, it's just one rust file) and change what you need to

4:21 PM

to be sure you didn't commit a merge, delete your repo locally and clone it again

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

4:22 PM

i looked up your repo, mine, integrated both, added new and it works

4:22 PM

its the final code

4:22 PM

nothing to change

Happy new year everyone May 2023 bring you more things that work instead of ones that you need to reverse engineer or rewrite to make work... (Yes, thinking about you, Qt)

Happy new year ~~As it turns out, Qt Timers fuck up if you use too long / infinite while loops, which doesnt help with audio management~~

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4:25 PM

this isint too expensive...

"Ample 1GB Memory" :p

nah

6:02 PM

sd card exist

11:33 AM

this guy is checking out my rust tools for inkbox

11:33 AM

for some reason?

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What's up

release rush...

Version 2.0 I'm guessing?

yes

5:11 PM

a few months and it would be a year before we didn't release anything

I would love to do testing but unfortunately I have a libra 2

1

5:12 PM

If I can find the box it's in I do have a glo somewhere though

you could use it

Is the nia still the newest device the os has been ported to?

yes

5:16 PM

currently

beaglebark

Is the nia still the newest device the os has been ported to?

no, Kindle 1?

5:18 PM

welcome anyway

*newest

When it comes to getting a kernel for inkbox built for a new device what are the main roadblocks?

not only the kernel...

5:25 PM

everything? almost?

5:26 PM

how much knowledge do you have in linux things?

getting? you mean preparing from a new device?

5:26 PM

if so, tux-linux has this knowledge but doesn't shared it

5:26 PM

so I* would need to look up commits (edited)

5:27 PM

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how much knowledge do you have in linux things?

I've used Linux for over fifteen years but I've never gone down the rabbit hole of supporting new hardware

zpunch

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5:28 PM

welcome

beaglebark

I've used Linux for over fifteen years but I've never gone down the rabbit hole of supporting new hardware

not much supporting, more like porting

5:28 PM

why are so many new people out of sudden? @tux-linux

that would be a new challenge for me but sounds like it could be exciting

beaglebark

I've used Linux for over fifteen years but I've never gone down the rabbit hole of supporting new hardware

I will tell you a little story : 90% of people who want to port InkBox to their devices surrender at some point or just disappear like it never happened

Szybet

why are so many new people out of sudden? @tux-linux

we both got libra 2s around the same time

lmao

So you will need courage and determination

tux-linux

I will tell you a little story : 90% of people who want to port InkBox to their devices surrender at some point or just disappear like it never happened

where 7% is me and the rest is andi / niluje

5:29 PM

;D

tux-linux

I will tell you a little story : 90% of people who want to port InkBox to their devices surrender at some point or just disappear like it never happened

Just look at the Clara HD porting thread; it's almost a graveyard (sadly) (edited)

beaglebark

we both got libra 2s around the same time

this doesn't explain much

to be fair thats a lot of open source projects. I mean... I'm guilty of leaving a few projects unmaintained... smolconcern

I mentioned inkbox to him in another server and found this server and linked it to him

hmm cool

I'm guessing that inkbox runs a newer version of the kernel than what the devices originally shipped with, in the case of the libra 2 being a newer device than the ones that are currently supported would that make things more difficult or easier in that case? (edited)

beaglebark

I'm guessing that inkbox runs a newer version of the kernel than what the devices originally shipped with, in the case of the libra 2 being a newer device than the ones that are currently supported would that make things more difficult or easier in that case? (edited)

it's often the same kernel but modified a bit (edited)

And as far as I can tell the kobo kernel sources do not have commit histories which is fun

for Kindle Touch (a 2011?) device, I had to fake 2.6.35 version while it was 2.6.31 actually, but I also had to backport things such as devtmpfs support and ppoll syscall to make it work with the existing system

beaglebark

And as far as I can tell the kobo kernel sources do not have commit histories which is fun

*not fun

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/kernel: Kernel sources for InkBox OS

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

Sounds like a lot of diff to be done

beaglebark

And as far as I can tell the kobo kernel sources do not have commit histories which is fun

yea, quite outdated. For clara 2 there is nothing

5:35 PM

nia is outdated so bigger battery usage

Szybet

yea, quite outdated. For clara 2 there is nothing

still nothing? there's a problem

tux-linux

still nothing? there's a problem

maybe i will contact the support

I will open an issue

tux-linux

I will open an issue

i already did

where?

in the repo

i don't see it

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/117

Nia kernel sources are outdated · Issue #117 · kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

The kernel shipped with nickel is different in many ways ( battery consumption, touchscreen wake up calls ). Could we get an updated version in the repo, Please?

yes, but that's only for the Nia (edited)

also: why the fu... does soar use a kernel switcher

tux-linux

yes, but that's only for the Nia (edited)

oh okay

5:41 PM

kobo has a messenger chat

5:41 PM

cool

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/122

Kobo Clara 2E kernel sources · Issue #122 · kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

Released last September 22nd, this new model doesn't have any public kernel sources in this repository. Providing this device runs a Linux kernel, this would violate the GPL license it has ...

5:44 PM

lets attack them

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until they ban us

after a year?

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it's been released sep 22

tux-linux

it's been released sep 22

2022

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now is

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2023

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2023 - 2022 = 1

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but it isn't one year

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one year is 365 days

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it's been 109 days

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whatever

XD

Next year and one year later are very very different things

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Linus kernel

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this will go great

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say that someone you know requested it

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and link to github issue

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maybe (edited)

no because it was like 1h ago

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7:03 PM

@Szybet I'll be online tomorrow starting from 17.30 CET, I need to read a lot of messages in the Clara thread

c o o l

8:21 PM

i can't be sure if i will have time

No worries, I'll try to save a few hours for Thursday as well

tux-linux

Just look at the Clara HD porting thread; it's almost a graveyard (sadly) (edited)

except for you

8:54 PM

and a few others

some of us (me) are slow and lack expertise T.T but we will eventually do it (edited)

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https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/commit/940502e1ad63a9c309f00417c47e4ec62d11eee4

kind demands for clara2e · kobolabs/Kobo-Reader@940502e

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10:30 PM

kind demands

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messenger support guy worked

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i will even ping some of you

10:32 PM

@tux-linux @andi late christmas presents dropped

Yay

btw is there anyone of you at fosdem? (edited)

andi

btw is there anyone of you at fosdem? (edited)

I'll be there! (edited)

andi

btw is there anyone of you at fosdem? (edited)

Too far...

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I'll be there! (edited)

hmm, what devices do you have? Just wondering if some hacking could be done in between

he has the clara :D

well, everything with the clara could be done remotely, too, since I also have the device

yea

11:47 PM

it would be cool if you advertised inkbox os arround there

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11:48 PM

then maybe only not just 5~ ( + - - ) would work on it ;p

@Szybet : I may have sent a poor sod in search of a Nia image your way from MobileRead, if you get someone asking you about one soon-ish

Good, Szybet can try to get him to switch to InkBox

NiLuJe

@Szybet : I may have sent a poor sod in search of a Nia image your way from MobileRead, if you get someone asking you about one soon-ish

okay cool

tux-linux

Good, Szybet can try to get him to switch to InkBox

9:45 PM

if i dont reply to him and he asks why, that's because i dont use mobileread forums... maybe once a month

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im available on github / matrix / idscord

Oh, yeah, I directed him to here (as in, Inkbox discord) specifically

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Wow, I thought I had seen the worst already

dis aI are halenking I?

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Hello y'all

2:03 PM

I've find my way here from the Mobile read forum

2:05 PM

a helpful soul named NiLuJe sent me down the rabbit hole

Looking for nia image?

I was, I mean I am, but i could not help but notice that you are working on an... OS(?) that would run on kobo HW ?

2:22 PM

some kind of software to put on the HW at least. Cards on the table I'm not super good with software.

2:23 PM

I am however an electronics tech so i can understand and do basic things at least

2:23 PM

just more of a HW guy

2:23 PM

I've got a Nia that was stuck in some kind of boot loop after an update

2:24 PM

i took out the SD card but its now lost. For... reasons

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So Ive got HW empty of soft

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I'm willing to try some shenanigans to get some other soft than the original one running on it. I just don't know how trustworthy the HW is.

2:26 PM

it was working before i took out the SD so I'm hopeful

does it appear on the USB bus?

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without SD card (edited)

2:27 PM

or empty sd cad

with an empty i think? what would it show without any sd card

with nothing which looks like a bootloaer, it should show the raw hid device specific to IMX processors

2:34 PM

regardsless whether card is in or not

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just to do some basic hardware check

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before proceeding

andi

with nothing which looks like a bootloaer, it should show the raw hid device specific to IMX processors

So when I plug it in I've got zero reaction from the HW. No lights no nothing not sure if that is supposed to be the case without sd. How do I go and check this on windows? Where do i look? (edited)

check wether something in the device manager appears

2:38 PM

lights are software-controlled, so there need to be some software setting it on

Not seeing anything change in the device manager

well i would now:

measure power consumption on usb
connect serial, if no sd card is attached, the cpu on boot splits out a single 0 bit

2:41 PM

to see if cpu is alive

andi

lights are software-controlled, so there need to be some software setting it on

That makes sense actually.

Szybet

well i would now:

measure power consumption on usb
connect serial, if no sd card is attached, the cpu on boot splits out a single 0 bit

Ah, so upon plugging it in, it sends a 0 bit on the Tx pin then?

the is also a boot rom in the SoC controlling the boot process, so that would be what loads stuff from sd card or start the usb recovery mode

2:43 PM

probably press power button for 15s to turn it off

TeaBot

Ah, so upon plugging it in, it sends a 0 bit on the Tx pin then?

after clicking power button if its off

So even without sd i should see some sort of activity when I turn it on or off ?

TeaBot

So even without sd i should see some sort of activity when I turn it on or off ?

the one we described, yes

Because the thing is white screen and didn't react whatsoever to the button press back when it was working. The button is broken and I've soldered two wires that I'm connecting together to simulate press. Am i wrong in assuming the button was a NO that just connected both side upon press?

2:47 PM

Sorry for being a dumb dumb guys, I'm fairly new to tinkering like this

did it worked with those wires

Nope, same as with the button when it clicked, no visible reaction from the thing

2:50 PM

I'll have to try and measure the USB cable and see if I can catch something on serial

2:57 PM

How hard is it to transfer a Nia Image with the stock Kobo SW ? Cause that'd tell us right quick if the HW is okay or not

nia image? you mean inkbox?

No I mean the original soft on the Nia, if you've got a backup, and if it's not too much work to send it to me, i could flash another sd i have and try it (edited)

3:21 PM

Maybe inkbox would work. Just a software that would make it so the power button will visibly turn it on and off so that we can see if it works. Not sure I'm being clear lol

first, make a backup ofyour original sd card just to be sure

I'm gonna use another SD card, the original one is... Safe but unavailable

second, i dont have time today to send you my image, so if you want grab inkbox 1.9 image and flash it

TeaBot

I'm gonna use another SD card, the original one is... Safe but unavailable

well on the original sd card are unique things for your device, so dont lose it

I won't lose it, it is stuck between the SD slot and the frame of one of my computers. Turns out the slot wasn't properly centered and when I pushed in the card i did not check properly... It slid nicely into the PC. It hasn't moved so it's not going anywhere

Szybet

second, i dont have time today to send you my image, so if you want grab inkbox 1.9 image and flash it

Oh there is no hurry, sorry if I gave the impression! I'll grab the inkbox 1.9 tonight and try that

3:34 PM

Thank you both for your help, i really appreciate it

3:35 PM

If the Nia is still alive i'd be happy to help for Kobo related endeavors and use it to test things if y'all need !

Hmmm

3:38 PM

there is a mainline kernel ready for testing for the Nia

3:38 PM

a bit risky it is, could burn thr device

Szybet

a bit risky it is, could burn thr device

Intense! Why would it burn ?

3:41 PM

Anyhow, if my Nia is alive i can test that maybe

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Would it damage the SD ? Or is it only the chip at risk ?

TeaBot

Intense! Why would it burn ?

wrong voltages on power regulators

TeaBot

Would it damage the SD ? Or is it only the chip at risk ?

everything

Szybet

wrong voltages on power regulators

Oh my, yeah that sounds like a good way to fry everything

3:48 PM

Are y'all familiar with Linux ?

TeaBot

Are y'all familiar with Linux ?

yes

I've got a Chromebook set with Lubuntu, and I've been using etcher on it to flash SD, USB etc.. is there a simpler, command line way to do it?

dd

3:50 PM

but i like gnome disks gui

Okay thanks, i'll look into that

Szybet

but i like gnome disks gui

Ah this looks like something that'll help me. Managing all disks sounds good. Thanks !

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6:28 PM

@TeaBot I am the principal maintainer of this project, if you want to know who I am Here's a download link for 1.9 : http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n306/inkbox-1.9-n306.xz With my help (and probably @Szybet's too) you should update it to 2.0 development version ASAP 1.9 is terribly outdated

6:30 PM

xzcat inkbox-1.9-n306.xz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 status=progress Assuming mmcblk0 is your SD card's device node This image runs a modified stock Kobo kernel, so there shouldn't be any problems with voltage regulators

tux-linux

@TeaBot I am the principal maintainer of this project, if you want to know who I am Here's a download link for 1.9 : http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n306/inkbox-1.9-n306.xz With my help (and probably @Szybet's too) you should update it to 2.0 development version ASAP 1.9 is terribly outdated

ummm for now he could just check if it works

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tux-linux

@TeaBot I am the principal maintainer of this project, if you want to know who I am Here's a download link for 1.9 : http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n306/inkbox-1.9-n306.xz With my help (and probably @Szybet's too) you should update it to 2.0 development version ASAP 1.9 is terribly outdated

Hello! Nice to meet ya. I'm interested in trying the project for sure ! So far the question of the HW status is still very much open, I'm trying to find a easy-ish way to get it do something if it's still operational. I'm gonna try the 1.9, and see if the HW is ok

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Aaaaaand it doesn't work

9:44 PM

I think the power supply hw is dead

9:44 PM

The thing doesn't turn on whatsoever

9:48 PM

I successfully flashed a sd with inkbox 1.9

hmm, one try : disconnect battery and try usb plug in again

10:04 PM

no sd card

Nevermind I'm dumb, it does work

9:07 AM

I un plugged the battery, plugged it back in and connected USB. I connected my cables together and it turned on

9:08 AM

Just did the setup, had kobox activated and now it's showing me an empty library

9:08 AM

Great success, thank you so much for your help

andi

hmm, one try : disconnect battery and try usb plug in again

I didn't exactly do that but thanks for the inspiration for battery unplugging to start off anew

So, i originally planned to give it to my wife once it works. I'm willing to help y'all do some testing, cause I'm no developer but I'd be sad if we fried the thing when testing

9:24 AM

I gotta say i like the UI on this thing

9:24 AM

Straightforward, clean

9:25 AM

Is it compatible with Calibre ?

9:25 AM

Or is it drag&drop to put books on it

Ah it says connected to computer but windows doesn't see it.

Mmh linux doesn't see it either, there must be some kind of kink to work out

4269113.535946] hid-generic 0003:15A2:0063.00A5: hiddev1,hidraw3: USB HID v1.10 Device [Freescale SemiConductor Inc SE Blank MEGREZ] on usb-0000:00:14.0-6.3.3/input0

10:51 AM

I get something like that on devices without SD card

10:52 AM

I would expect to see something similar on the Nia

10:52 AM

so, maybe you have a problem with usb data lines (in the cable, in one of the sockets or plugs)

Dang, maybe both cables ive got right now are just power lines. I noticed that it said detection of computer when I plugged into the wall to charge battery. So it recognize power line, not data

11:07 AM

I'll try and find other cables

Okay i found a cable that works managed to put two epubs on it

So there was question of a version 2.0? Because obviously my HW works

8:01 PM

@tux-linux

does the device appear on usb without sdcard? It is not important for the nia itself, but good to have a clear picture of recovery options, especially for devices with just internal eMMC. So if that door is for some reason closed at any kobo device it is good to be alert for trouble. So in summary: for science

TeaBot

So there was question of a version 2.0? Because obviously my HW works

what

8:44 PM

don't ping tux-linux, he is rarely here and he reads everything anyway

Szybet

don't ping tux-linux, he is rarely here and he reads everything anyway

its just to make sure he sees it

Szybet

what

8:45 PM

so... they checked if it worked :D

oh this

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well

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if he wants

8:46 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

About myself: I am mainly a kernel/uboot hacker, helping out here on lowlevel things,

Szybet

if he wants

Is there no version 2.0? Or is it very experimental ? I mean, if you think i shouldn't try I'd listen

8:50 PM

And sorry for pinging

its not ready, but there are many improvements

8:51 PM

so if you want it, you need to recompile everything yourself

andi

About myself: I am mainly a kernel/uboot hacker, helping out here on lowlevel things,

I will check without SD, see where i stand. I'll let you know what I find

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/discussions/36

To-Do list for 2.0 release · Discussion #36 · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

X11 freeze fix + onboard Rewrite init Recompile platform plugin with fixes for user apps in rootfs Folders in localLibraryWidget (@Szybet) Reader: fit to screen size better (@Szybet's work ...

8:51 PM

list of improvements

8:51 PM

if you want to test them, then sure

Szybet

so if you want it, you need to recompile everything yourself

Mmh. That sounds like one ought to know what one is doing. Ill look into that, see if I can figure out what to do

8:54 PM

Thanks for including me on this folks, even though I probably won't be much help on the dev front

TeaBot

Mmh. That sounds like one ought to know what one is doing. Ill look into that, see if I can figure out what to do

#chat #quill #porting kobo clara thread have everything you need to basically get the latest inkbox

However if there is some HW modification to be done send me the PCBs and I'll do it lol

TeaBot

Thanks for including me on this folks, even though I probably won't be much help on the dev front

i learned almost everything from scratch, its just about dedication

Szybet

i learned almost everything from scratch, its just about dedication

Yeah, i just gotta look at it enough that it snaps into place and starts making sense to me. I've got HW know-how so i just have to link it to the firmware and software

9:00 PM

Or rather look into the hardware so that i understand what the soft is doing

TeaBot

However if there is some HW modification to be done send me the PCBs and I'll do it lol

here are 2 types of people: 1. one that will solder even spider heresy to make it work 2. the group that refuses to solder anything, even serial wires no middle ground, so no help is needed in case of hardware

9:15 PM

also as you have a nia and into hardware, i share this: https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio

9:16 PM

in short, a custom pcb on back on the nia to add over all usb support, with focus on audio

9:16 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/pcb-board/final/notes.md

Szybet

here are 2 types of people: 1. one that will solder even spider heresy to make it work 2. the group that refuses to solder anything, even serial wires no middle ground, so no help is needed in case of hardware

Hahaha yeah i suppose my expertise won't be really needed then

i mean, low level software + hardware is needed most of the time

9:26 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I meant for others, it'll serve me for sure

im talking about inkbox project all the time. so yea

Szybet

in short, a custom pcb on back on the nia to add over all usb support, with focus on audio

Woah that's pretty sweet, I'll look into that for sure

btw is a refurbished eReader worth it

9:32 PM

nvm i was looking at a libra h2o but it doesn't have usb-c

clara 2 has

If I remember correctly someone is running nixos with my kernels + additional patches

9:44 PM

What I am often thinking about: buying something, hacking it and selling it again, but the next new one

9:45 PM

best selling to someone who can sometimes to maintain things

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Hi there, you think that a bare knife is outdated ? ^^

dill

nvm i was looking at a libra h2o but it doesn't have usb-c

and then?

andi

4269113.535946] hid-generic 0003:15A2:0063.00A5: hiddev1,hidraw3: USB HID v1.10 Device [Freescale SemiConductor Inc SE Blank MEGREZ] on usb-0000:00:14.0-6.3.3/input0

SE BLANK MEGREZ is usually what I got on the PW3 when it was in download mode IIRC

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tux-linux

and then?

I'm thinking about getting a 2e but I want buttons this time

2:56 AM

Did you get a 2e yet

no

2:56 AM

why is usb-c important

tux-linux

why is usb-c important

I fucking hate Micro-USB

well ok up to you

The thing is, I want one type of cable for everything

tux-linux

Hi there, you think that a bare knife is outdated ? ^^

w h a t

dill

I'm thinking about getting a 2e but I want buttons this time

pcb with a uart converter + cpu and you have buttons for every ereader

8:32 AM

tux-linux

SE BLANK MEGREZ is usually what I got on the PW3 when it was in download mode IIRC

you also have seen that on the Libra H2O when we experimented with bootloader

some words about all that regulator stuff: Settings vary not too much between readers with same SoC, just because the specifications of the regulators meet specific use cases, of course everyone would use the dcdc regulators for the cpu, and things must match with the initial power-up state, so that at least the cpu runs to execute code that can configure regulators.

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but there is always a little risk remaining

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So I usually avoid doing such things if I am in a bad mood

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or otherwise not concentrated

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I usually brick things when I am in a bad mood and want to do something in a hurry

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that does not happen too often

Szybet

w h a t

in french glaive means gladius, a small roman sword

oh okay

hmm, strange problem here...

9:45 PM

I bought a tolino vision second hand

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interesting is that it has internal eMMC

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and also an accessible uSD slot

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I have not checked yet boot order, but if that uSD slot has priority over eMMC

9:46 PM

than anything can be booted without opening the case

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but what is strange: usb

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connecting to usb while running the stock system

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mass storage appears shortly

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than disappears

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and will not appear again until I reload xhci_pci module on the host

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nor fastboot will

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after that module reloading things are better

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I can access fastboot

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and than happily boot mainline and load debian via nfs via usb network

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without any trouble

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until I agan try to communicate with the stock system

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WTF???

9:57 PM

after that no signs of life in dmesg

I've had some weird experience with NXP boards on that front, but not for a long while (that was usually on i.MX 5 boards), and most of it went away on a different host, too

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Not familiar with how the Tolino handles USBMS, but...

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https://github.com/koreader/KoboUSBMS/blob/3c6a45c5449a3dbd63e36aa3a88ad58468f1c3c6/scripts/start-usbms.sh#L74-L75

KoboUSBMS/start-usbms.sh at 3c6a45c5449a3dbd63e36aa3a88ad58468f1c3c...

Small helper to handle USBMS on Kobo in KOReader. Contribute to koreader/KoboUSBMS development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:29 PM

IIRC, the weirdness was not permanent on sunxi, though

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It just fails to enumerate for that session or drops out early or something

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(It's disabled in the stock Kobo USBMS scripts, too)

Hey @Szybet, when you have time, could i trouble you for the Nia stock software image? I'd like to get it in the hand of someone who archives all model to help other people on the mobile read forum. I see a lot of people looking for one. Lemme know if you're too busy and I'll look for it somewhere else

i will provide it in the weekend

9:39 AM

but first i will overwrite the serial number there

9:39 AM

well find a way i can send you it, its 7GB i think

9:40 AM

also you will need to flash it and clean it, there are my books

Szybet

well find a way i can send you it, its 7GB i think

Yeah. It's a big boy. Compressed archive maybe ? I will flash it and clean it, no worries. Will do a factory reset and make an image of that

Szybet

but first i will overwrite the serial number there

Is there something I need to modify with the serial number? Or is a dummy SN good to go?

there are tools to zero-out empty space

10:12 AM

then it would be more compressible

10:12 AM

e.g. data partition should be compressable to almost zero

TeaBot

Is there something I need to modify with the serial number? Or is a dummy SN good to go?

i will do it

TeaBot

Yeah. It's a big boy. Compressed archive maybe ? I will flash it and clean it, no worries. Will do a factory reset and make an image of that

it is already compressed wirh xz

Szybet

it is already compressed wirh xz

Oof that's a swol archive

10:29 AM

Mmh i'm not sure how to do the transfer, gotta think for a minute

well, to make things small, create a file full of zeros on each partition and delete it afterwards, and then compress the image

TeaBot

Hey @Szybet, when you have time, could i trouble you for the Nia stock software image? I'd like to get it in the hand of someone who archives all model to help other people on the mobile read forum. I see a lot of people looking for one. Lemme know if you're too busy and I'll look for it somewhere else

hey, just let them install inkbox ;p

Szybet

hey, just let them install inkbox ;p

Lol would probably be simpler tbf

sharing stock image is against my interest actually

1:09 PM

i will do it anyway propably, in weekend

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Welcome

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Hey, little question, is v1.9 supposed to keep the place in the book once we exit to home menu ?

yes, there is also an option in that in tge settings idk if enabled

12:18 PM

by default

12:19 PM

global reading settings, i think it should be false

12:19 PM

to wotk

Okay thanks, I'll look into it

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does inkbox support epub files?

yes

@atro hmm

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@Szybet i might have found a Nia Image somewhere else! If you haven't already done some stuff regarding transferring, hold off; if it works I'll send it to the forum and you won't need to do anything

i didnt do anything yet, i said in the weekend

9:13 AM

sure

Szybet

i didnt do anything yet, i said in the weekend

I know, just making sure that nothing was started just in case. Thanks!

@Szybet well no luck on the Nia Image lead. So whenever you've got time, be it this weekend or later, I'd test it and send it on to the forum

im short on time actually... we will see

6:46 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No worries, if you don't have the time for it, you don't

maybe some other time if i can't find one elsewhere

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10:43 PM

can anyone quess what kobo model this is

10:43 PM

I could repair the port propably

the back pattern is specific

10:44 PM

glo something or other or aura maybe?

It's a Glo

I need to be sure

Or mini black

not hd?

No

10:44 PM

The screen is really broken

10:45 PM

You won't be able to do anything with it

@NiLuJe you worked with einks, those ports are available? like on mouser / digikey?

not hd, it's rakuten branded

There's a diagonal unequal line It's not a port problem

yeah, looks like a broken substrate

:(

yup, old glo: https://www.amazon.co.uk/KOBO-eBook-Reader-GLO-black/dp/B08T64CYWL

KOBO eBook Reader (KOBO GLO black)

well sad

10:47 PM

im looking for an ereader to buy and repair at this price exactly, with a repair that could work actually

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32900380465.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.53.5bb68191FHgSaz&algo_pvid=7911faac-481b-451f-8d17-e165c8d50788&algo_exp_id=7911faac-481b-451f-8d17-e165c8d50788-26&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2265813322922%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21EUR%2135.4%2135.4%21%21%21%21%21%4021227a0f16753527949011393d06b3%2165813322922%21sea&curPageLogUid=LnwzAX0SOC2D

4:47 PM

might be a replacement display

Yes it is

4:51 PM

i already searched for the nia, arround 3/5 of the price of the whole nia

4:54 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224669157035?amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkKiGOzmBMAhzRVzCKw5emGhomWWwRjsqm0vqQ20LWNSdTGXoUOOXowX6JPDGpLMX2Pz95g8V8uuVO8pMGyQ6gGIaz4MA5171HHdWtJkioxPywzlDwI3rFXti%2FB9v9H1y95vATqd4TSfwu%2BYHMFpXHN%2BHpVbtau2FjyCHVyGp4eFIiOMhXaSDPBi%2BwP%2F5sdKYQA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8bHpq3CYQ#readMoreDesc

NOT WORKING Kobo eReader Touch Edition N905-KJP-B 6 inch 2GB eBook ...

Original protective screen cover is still attached. This eReader is for PARTS / REPAIR. There is a spot on the screen that appears to have pixelation problems. It would not power off once turned on.

4:54 PM

pixelation spot hmm

4:56 PM

well i will create a thread and post there damaged ereaders

Szybet started a thread. 2/2/2023 4:56 PM

I invite tux-linux and niluje there :D

5:00 PM

to look up the kobo aura if its any good

5:00 PM

Sorry Szybet, I'm very busy preparing for the FOSDEM, hopefully I'll be less busy after February 18th

last chance to get covid-19 quarantined

7:21 PM

since yesterday, isolation is no longer mandatory

7:21 PM

here

7:21 PM

but in Belgium there is afaik still 7 days

atro

Sorry Szybet, I'm very busy preparing for the FOSDEM, hopefully I'll be less busy after February 18th

okay sure, i was only curious

@TeaBot are you still waiting for the image

8:41 PM

you have like 20 hours to tell me if so, if yes, i will upload it somewhere

8:41 PM

bonus points if you find some place to store it

Szybet

@TeaBot are you still waiting for the image

I haven't found one yet, yes I'm still in the market to get one

Szybet

bonus points if you find some place to store it

Like an upload space for it ? Or storage on my side ?

TeaBot

Like an upload space for it ? Or storage on my side ?

those are the same thing, yes

Oh I meant storage on my side, but like on HDD or something. I can look into it. I think I've got Dropbox but i don't know about the space i can get

if you want to share it only, we can use syncthing

9:01 PM

but if you want to distribute it in any way, you need to find a public storage space

I was just gonna share it with people here and there. There's someone on mobile read forum that has a bunch of images and shares them. I was gonna share with them

okay

9:04 PM

so prepare syncthing or just find another solution like dropbox / mega

Szybet

so prepare syncthing or just find another solution like dropbox / mega

I've got my Dropbox open

9:27 PM

Want me to send you a shared folder and you upload in there?

9:28 PM

Ah I've only got two Gigas of space though

first i need to find my spare sd card to prepare the image

9:29 PM

i want to clear it & add inkbox add

TeaBot

Ah I've only got two Gigas of space though

its 2.2

9:30 PM

well maybe if andi says that booting off USB is easy for even nickel then i can go for it

I can try an upgrade for 30 days

you better find a permanent solution

Dang, for 0.2 that's too bad

9:35 PM

Ok mega gives 20 Gigs

Szybet

i want to clear it & add inkbox add

the inkbox add is the deal i share this image, it will just be a book that says who's the author and about inkbox. do you accept it?

Szybet

the inkbox add is the deal i share this image, it will just be a book that says who's the author and about inkbox. do you accept it?

A book in the image with like, info on inkbox and everything? That sounds only fair (edited)

yea

9:38 PM

and further info about the image

9:38 PM

technical things

Yeah, sounds very fair to me, absolutely

9:45 PM

You should have access to this normally

then don't share this link publicly

9:45 PM

write access to it at least

9:46 PM

i will upload it next week, i lost the sd card which is sad

Szybet

then don't share this link publicly

Good point, I'm a dummy

Szybet

i will upload it next week, i lost the sd card which is sad

No problem, I'm not in a hurry. Thank you for helping with this

does the kobo glo have a crystal oscillator inside?

bruh

9:10 PM

what a question

lol

9:14 PM

its the glo hd

9:14 PM

i spotted these from this low quality image

For time / clock?

obviously almost every IC has a timer circuit in it, which can be a crystal oscilator

9:14 PM

but doesnt need to be

what does the text on it say?

what?

I can't find it in mine

9:35 PM

what does the text say on it?

Szybet

i spotted these from this low quality image

. no idea

9:36 PM

its the glo hd, not glo

ah ok

what are you trying to achieve?

I want to repurpose it to build a low power radio transmitter

9:38 PM

You have a pcb with wifi / linux on chip / very specific IC and you want use the cristal oscilator from it to build a radio transmiter?

9:38 PM

bro noooooooooooooooooooooooo

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10:16 PM

Welcome

hello

What journey got you here?

just was looking around alternative firmware for my clara hd

oh my god

10:17 PM

there were at least 20 people already that said that will port it and gived up in the middle of the work

10:18 PM

soooo if you want to help then you are welcome

10:18 PM

im mainly just looking out of curiousity

10:18 PM

lol

i understand

10:18 PM

im just saying it clearly

Szybet

there were at least 20 people already that said that will port it and gived up in the middle of the work

Lmaoooo can confirm

other options which are out there for the Kobo Clara HD are: Yocto or PostmarketOS

yocto is not for normal users

11:40 PM

it's diffrent build root

well, depends on how things are prepared/documented, but yes, yocto is mostly used in the industry

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bus-hit-daycare-laval-1.6740987 Shook the entire province today. Horrible things

Why do people do this...

no clear motive... it is not the classical drive-into-crowds-to-kill-max-people thing. Things could be worse, but of course still horrible

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1:43 AM

welcome

1:43 AM

let's continue the concersation here

1:43 AM

i will write the reply for you answer tommorow

Thanks! Will check booting from external SD works in the meantime. My timezone: GMT+8

Well it doesn't work. All that happens is a factory reset to a 2012 firmware version from the recovery partition. Interestingly the wifi network is non-functional on that firmware too. I need to find a way to interrupt the boot process and point u-boot at a different kernel/rootfs. I guess I need a serial cable which will take a few days to arrive.

yes you need a serial cable for sure

10:58 AM

create a thread in #porting about your device

Three already is one

is it the A?

Yes

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monthly atro ping

9:19 PM

@atro

I'm back, sorry again

nah, don't be sorry

6:46 PM

im only checking if you are still alive

Starting from this week I will try to be more productive, I will start by checking once again the status of my SD card installation and where I need to go from there, once I get there I'd like to actively contribute to the project to complete the N249 porting

7:55 PM

If everything goes well I would like to make a contribution that is substantial enough to speak about this project at the Chaos Communication Camp conference in a 30 min or 1h talk. @Szybet do you think that this is feasible in ~5 months? (edited)

atro

If everything goes well I would like to make a contribution that is substantial enough to speak about this project at the Chaos Communication Camp conference in a 30 min or 1h talk. @Szybet do you think that this is feasible in ~5 months? (edited)

in a week 8h a day lol

7:56 PM

even porting the clara is enough

7:57 PM

if you really want to contribute, please speak to @tux-linux to give someone else ( me?... ) permissions to all repos. He doesn't have time lately, and my pull request wait and wait

7:58 PM

because if not, it will be pain

Which pull request

my god

There are so many

exactly

8:00 PM

now imagine atro joins

8:00 PM

am i doing such a horrible job?

atro really has a lot to catch up to be as active as you

i believe in him

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In logic things, no In code quality and English, welp

define logic then

8:01 PM

code quality only sometimes

8:01 PM

english welp, i can start writing code in polish if you want

Szybet

if you really want to contribute, please speak to @tux-linux to give someone else ( me?... ) permissions to all repos. He doesn't have time lately, and my pull request wait and wait

I remember having to wait a couple of weeks for him to merge some PRs, from what I can see you are probably the only one that is active enough to help with the job

not propably, for sure

Well, getting the product to work But not actually cleaning the code under it

tux-linux

In logic things, no In code quality and English, welp

That is about you, not atro

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@tux-linux GitHub repos have a setting for only allowing merges after 2 approvals (edited)

tux-linux

Well, getting the product to work But not actually cleaning the code under it

what

You may check the code style, we may even try to automate the check given enough time

It's like you cook a steak on the outside but you leave it half-cooked on the inside (edited)

i think you are too perfectionist

Better that than not

not really

atro, if you want a job, you can look into Xorg compiling

8:04 PM

But Clara HD isn't even ported yet (edited)

8:05 PM

Forget it

atro

You may check the code style, we may even try to automate the check given enough time

the problem is, if we 2 start to work, those pull request will stack up and no one will want to merge them

You don't have any other compatible device?

I don't, however if you want we can have a call and we may try make this porting way faster

Szybet

the problem is, if we 2 start to work, those pull request will stack up and no one will want to merge them

I merged one yesterday

8:06 PM

I think

tux-linux

It's like you cook a steak on the outside but you leave it half-cooked on the inside (edited)

okay then, is this a reason to close the entire restaurant for x months because the main cheff left?

I'm not very experienced at electronics or embedded

tux-linux

I merged one yesterday

i want you to see when you merge 10 commits that are at the same time in inkbox repo

Tell me you know how to connect a serial port

Szybet

i want you to see when you merge 10 commits that are at the same time in inkbox repo

no one needs this madness

You said sound isn't ready

tux-linux

You said sound isn't ready

it isin't priority, you are offline mainly so i shifted my focus to keyboard. i need it for school

tux-linux

Tell me you know how to connect a serial port

I do, I've also made a repo with a guide on everything we've done for N249: https://github.com/aartoni/n249

GitHub - aartoni/n249: Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes

Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes. Contribute to aartoni/n249 development by creating an account on GitHub.

So what is there to merge apart from gui-bundle that I don't want to merge

atro

I do, I've also made a repo with a guide on everything we've done for N249: https://github.com/aartoni/n249

Good

tux-linux

So what is there to merge apart from gui-bundle that I don't want to merge

god, i mean imagine the future

Yes Better not think too much about it

8:09 PM

I have time this week

8:09 PM

Week off

@Szybet to be fair I understand @tux-linux's concern on code quality

tux-linux

Yes Better not think too much about it

At least we both like cats

atro

@Szybet to be fair I understand @tux-linux's concern on code quality

it isin't bad. in code quality he means only

if {

}
else if

and camelCase sometimes

Szybet

god, i mean imagine the future

What is there to merge currently

sometimes english too

Szybet

it isin't bad. in code quality he means only

if {

}
else if

and camelCase sometimes

And English

8:10 PM

And design

8:10 PM

And a lot more things

is this really a reason to not give me permissions that i can approve attro work? i will do mine with pull request anyways, just to speed things up

tux-linux

And design

with design i always ask you for help because you are better at it

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=InkBox_project_code_contributing_guidelines @atro to familiarize you with them

https://github.com/baskerville/plato/issues/225

tux-linux

And a lot more things

well then?

This week I will do update system redesign I don't know if it is worth looking into x11

it

8:13 PM

it is

I consider folders completed

yes

Szybet

well then?

im waiting

Well, general things, like where to put files, tmpfs-minded design, signature verification, things you forget or don't want to implement

1. who decided where ipd configs are, new ereader configs... bruh 2. ??? 3. where i said "nah dont verify it"

8:19 PM

;_;

User apps? Maybe?

I dont think so

2 is for updateConfig or smth

8:21 PM

Like, writing to the MMC each time is ... wrong

i explained it alreadyyyy

what's preventing you from putting this in a tmpfs?

8:22 PM

well, maybe we did it already

1. it's to avoid creating another thread 2. this file is created ONLY if config is changed anyway

tux-linux

well, maybe we did it already

yea.........

ok, i was just saying I usually need to remind you about the necessity of using a tmpfs

this isint a reason to restrict access

no

8:25 PM

it's because if you push a huge amount of commits over the span of, say, two months, it might take even more time for me to actually review it and understand what you did the PRs are better for this because it's for relatively small changes compared to the big project and it forces me to try to understand what you wrote before accepting it so I can at least have an idea of how it works

8:27 PM

I also do not feel comfortable at the idea of having code that I didn't review or check in my project

8:29 PM

this is why I'm not sure I want to give you, or anyone else, write access

here and here you have file changes to review? but with me with access, it will be in the repo and other contributions can easily be added, a dev version of inkbox easily created. If not, everything is a mess inside pull request waiting. + there is a reviewed commit button i think

tux-linux

I also do not feel comfortable at the idea of having code that I didn't review or check in my project

im here for a year.

tux-linux

this is why I'm not sure I want to give you, or anyone else, write access

you know it will happen one day anyway?...

8:31 PM

if you want the project to grow and have sense, you need to give write access to someone else because you have a life and are not always active

Szybet

here and here you have file changes to review? but with me with access, it will be in the repo and other contributions can easily be added, a dev version of inkbox easily created. If not, everything is a mess inside pull request waiting. + there is a reviewed commit button i think

then what is the difference between a dev branch and a waiting pull request?

there is order, if me and atro both will wait for approval, it will be bad

8:36 PM

i can review his commit and then push me. no problems, no merge things

8:36 PM

and no wait time

8:38 PM

i dont know if i talked about it before, but the reason im contributing to inkbox, learning qt and cpp for it is only because plato creator is not welcoming, so open about his project (edited)

8:38 PM

i asked about the emulator being slow, pointed to the code that does it and he replied "it works for me"

8:38 PM

draw conclusions

8:40 PM

Emulator is frightfully slow, on purpuse? · Issue #225 · baskervill...

It's me again, I have many questions The emulator was really slow for me, just unusable. I checked the code in emulator.rs and changed all lines that concerned something with waiting, like ...

8:40 PM

8:41 PM

oh he actually did something about it

8:41 PM

a year after

do you have an account on inkbox gitlab?

no

9:10 PM

isin't gitlab just a backup? (edited)

do create one

9:11 PM

github is the backup

9:11 PM

mainly

tux-linux

github is the backup

lol

9:11 PM

i never was on that gitlab

9:12 PM

in the mean time you can remind me how to point a qt app to the platform plugin manually, user app can't find it

did you read the wiki page?

i even edited it today lol

9:14 PM

env -i DEVICE="${DEVICE}" DEVICE_CODENAME="${DEVICE_CODENAME}" QT_FONT_DPI=${QT_FONT_DPI} PATH="/app-bin:/system-bin" LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/system-lib/lib:/system-lib/qt/lib:/app-lib:/system-lib/qt" QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo:debug:keyboard:mouse LC_ALL="en_US" /system-lib/lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 /app-bin/feathernotes.bin

do i use the account from gitlab main domain?

?

Szybet

env -i DEVICE="${DEVICE}" DEVICE_CODENAME="${DEVICE_CODENAME}" QT_FONT_DPI=${QT_FONT_DPI} PATH="/app-bin:/system-bin" LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/system-lib/lib:/system-lib/qt/lib:/app-lib:/system-lib/qt" QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo:debug:keyboard:mouse LC_ALL="en_US" /system-lib/lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 /app-bin/feathernotes.bin

im using this

https://inkbox.ddns.net/git/

Projects · Explore · GitLab

GitLab Enterprise Edition

i already have gitlab.com account

no I don't think so

Szybet

in the mean time you can remind me how to point a qt app to the platform plugin manually, user app can't find it

what's the error

28/02/2023 @ 21:11:43 | userapps: Launching user application at: '[/mnt/onboard/onboard/.apps/feathernotes/feathernotes]/app-bin/feathernotes.sh'
qt.qpa.plugin: Could not find the Qt platform plugin "kobo" in ""
This application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.

Aborted

strange

9:16 PM

are qt libs mounted?

yep

9:16 PM

there is the platform plugin too

what does df -h look like

main rootfs

2.38 KB

9:18 PM

chroot

6.83 KB

if you compare your extension to a working qt app (ex.: Conway), are there differences?

not really

then does conway work

you email confirmation on gitlab doesnt work

what's the error

what?

9:24 PM

no email

9:24 PM

at all

oh

9:24 PM

can you accept the invite on the site directly?

where??...

great

9:25 PM

now i have to set up a smtp server

create an account manually

9:25 PM

or smth

tux-linux

then does conway work

um no

9:25 PM

oh no

well...

QT_PLUGIN_PATH="/system-lib/qt/plugins/"

9:34 PM

well

9:34 PM

i will add it to the wiki

Why did it not need this before

9:36 PM

It's absurd

9:36 PM

something changed something else

my qt toolchain

9:36 PM

is diffrent, maybe

what version are you at

the same as you

welp

maybe i compiled it later

9:36 PM

its newer

9:37 PM

or some other hacks

9:37 PM

whatever

9:37 PM

i rememer i needed using it for other apps too

9:37 PM

those gps ones that didnt worked

9:38 PM

shouldnt crwx---rw- be enough for an app to use a input device?

it can't use the input device?!

calm down

9:38 PM

im tinkering with it

what is it at

9:39 PM

it was 706 previously

9:39 PM

in the error i got

is this your code?

modified, yes

follow naming scheme

9:40 PM

please

oh

9:40 PM

i didn't noticed that

9:40 PM

sure then

reqf_input_devices

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Hi all, I have a Kobo Touch N905C and came across this OS yesterday. I downloaded v1.5 and copied it across to an SD card using Balena Etcher. My Kobo just boots into the normal OS? Please can someone advise?

Are you the guy from github?

10:41 AM

Welcome

10:42 AM

Does the n905c have an internal emmc?

10:42 AM

Is the sd card the main storage?

10:45 AM

Write it using the way as described in the download page

10:46 AM

Make sure ypu write to the correct storage

I haven't posted anything on Github no, and thank you

10:51 AM

It has a 256mb boot drive and a 1.3gb internal chip (States 2gb online)

10:51 AM

When I try and write the image to the internal chip, it says it doesn't have enough space

What boot drive?

11:04 AM

Is it really a n905c?...

11:04 AM

Wait for @tux-linux

Definitely a N905C yes. Ok, thank you

11:24 AM

I may have mistaken the boot drive for another device plugged into my machine

Sounds most likely

You can't use the external SD slot

2:02 PM

There is another one inside the device

So there is

2:09 PM

Thank you

1

2:09 PM

Cool

2:14 PM

Update to 1.9 at least

2:14 PM

It is usable, 1.5 idk

1

Must say, the update process is very smooth, on 1.9 now

(edited)

Wow

Sorry, me again. So it looks like I have 500mb of storage space but a lot of unallocated storage on the SD card, how do I go about resizing that?

@tux-linux

4:50 PM

i doubt its supported officialy

4:51 PM

are you into linux? Charlaton?

No, not particularly

4:51 PM

I have 3 linux Chia miners

4:51 PM

But mainly for stability

4:52 PM

As for using it, my knowledge is pretty basic

well

4:52 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4:52 PM

we will see

Szybet

@tux-linux

rm [p4]/onboard
dd if=/dev/zero of=[p4]/onboard bs=1M count=<nb. of bytes of storage space desired>
sync

but its another sd card

we don't support external sd cards

It's the internal one, but it's only created a storage partition of 500mb

tux-linux

rm [p4]/onboard
dd if=/dev/zero of=[p4]/onboard bs=1M count=<nb. of bytes of storage space desired>
sync

then do this

tux-linux

rm [p4]/onboard
dd if=/dev/zero of=[p4]/onboard bs=1M count=<nb. of bytes of storage space desired>
sync

then you need to do this

Ok thank you

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@dill be more optimistic, spring is coming ;p

Hi

6:01 PM

School is stressful rn because I have a lot of stuff going on... I promise I'm reading everything on this server (this is one of my only unmuted servers)

well then good luck

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what are you doing here

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2 active users, 10~ write something once a year

Hello, what are you here for?

To eat muffins i suppose

Hi. I'm here because I'm interested in learning more about new developments with the project. I have 2 Kobo touch eReaders with inkbox installed.

which models

N905b and N905c

good

2:19 PM

we have 2 big things remaining to do before we release v2.0

2:19 PM

1. finish update system redesign 2. fix xorg

2:19 PM

third one is actually have the GUI to launch again, see #dev

2:19 PM

when things go bad...

Hopefully the font size issues and not being able to close out of a menu are fixed.

what exactly are they

File chooser menu?

what version of OS

The newest release on GitHub. I have an issue where when I open up a menu or something with the x button on the tip right, it gets cropped off the screen and I can't click it.

https://youtu.be/LCJrD-XcuPM did you watch this?

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/apps-on-kobo

InkBox OS 2.0 preview

DobaMuffin

The newest release on GitHub. I have an issue where when I open up a menu or something with the x button on the tip right, it gets cropped off the screen and I can't click it.

screenshot?

I'll try to get an image later today.

1

2:23 PM

Maybe even a video if I can.

DobaMuffin

The newest release on GitHub. I have an issue where when I open up a menu or something with the x button on the tip right, it gets cropped off the screen and I can't click it.

whoa, you compiled everything without any help and guides?

No no.

2:23 PM

The releases tab.

oh ok

2:23 PM

then its old

But I'll have to try and compile the newest version.

we god an entire library in the newest dev

2:24 PM

good news: there is a guide

2:24 PM

niAudio/apps-on-kobo at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

2:24 PM

:D

Sweet

Soo when will you begin

Oh geez... Uni and work are taking everything out of me right now. I'll probably be able to look at the codebase starting in the summer.

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cool

Try not to forget...

That's the harder task.

yea, we had tooo many people give up / go away

12:14 AM

there is a reason only 2 of us welcomed you

12:15 AM

there is no one here more (* some people do read those chats, help sometimes) (edited)

What programming language is being used?

DobaMuffin

What programming language is being used?

c, c++, qt, rust, shell

12:16 AM

python interpreter launches on ereaders for 30s, so no

C is something I'm learning currently. C++ seems similar.

Qt is not a programming language

dont be so specific

12:19 AM

when i code in qt i dont feel like im coding in c++

12:19 AM

all those functions, such a higher level

12:20 AM

like, at what point a framework becomes a language of itself, based on the parent

12:20 AM

look up typescript, it could be a framework eassly

well, yeah, but still

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I can't even find a way to close the app.

2:03 AM

And a few others are like that.

It has been fixed

2:08 AM

Ah, so a reinstall should fix it right?

No

2:08 AM

An update to dev version

ah 2.0 fix

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Hey thanks! I saw this project while digging for some projects to tinker with. Have a kobo libra 2 so not in the supported devices yet but I would be interested in testing and doing what little I can to help. Not much on the software development side (yet) but have spent some time administering Linux networks

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Hey thanks! I saw this project while digging for some projects to tinker with. Have a kobo libra 2 so not in the supported devices yet but I would be interested in testing and doing what little I can to help. Not much on the software development side (yet) but have spent some time administering Linux networks

Welcome, if you want to port then look up threads in #porting , how the process looks etc

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Um welcome

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9:16 PM

Woah, welcome

9:17 PM

how are nowadays 3 people each day coming here, and there are months of total silence?

Life

I have some pdf comics that have been scanned double page per page is there a good easy way to batch process them to cut them so they fit nicely on the kobo screen?

10:06 PM

I tried Calibre but not sure if it knows how to do that.

i dont think cutting will be better than just using it native, with zoom adjustments / scrolling

For some reason when you zoom the text is still garbage or the page doesn't scale properly so its difficult for a young reader.

you mean inkbox?

So I wasn't waiting long enough for the zoom pass over but still would like to cut the pages as zooming around the page is rough on eink

it does the job - it should refresh after the moving though

Guess I have to find some automated pdf cutter

10:20 PM

that just cuts ever page down the center and puts it into two separated pages

10:22 PM

Most software seems to split the pages into multiple pdfs but not actually take one of the pages and split it into two.

https://www.howtogeek.com/69481/how-to-convert-pdf-files-for-easy-ebook-reading/

Many ebook readers natively support PDF documents but, unfortunately, not all PDF documents are easy to read on a small ebook reader screen. Let’s take a look at two simple and free ways to convert PDF files for enjoyable reading.

10:22 PM

idk

https://julesprichards.com/2019/07/21/splitting-a-pdf-landscape-spread-into-two-portrait-pages/

julesprichards

Splitting a PDF landscape spread into two portrait pages

Splitting a PDF landscape single double-page spread into two portrait pages?? OK this is dull and not relevant unless it’s relevant, but it’s a solution to a problem that once explained is ea…

10:25 PM

Wonder if there is free software that does that

im sure you arent the first person with the problem

k2pdfopt -grid 2x1x0 -w .5s -h 1s file.pdf

k2pdfopt works great thank you.

10:39 PM

So after looking through all the pages it randomly would cut pages half way through. Using mutool first did well splitting everything right down the middle mutool poster -x 2 in.pdf out.pdf though it cuts the cover as well

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WOW Welcome

10:45 AM

Many people join lately

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Briss 0.9 worked you can tell it to not cut the first page with a cropping box.

idk if it has been a month, 2 weeks for sure monthly atro ping xD @atro

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Hi!

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Welcome!

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/kobo-ereader-fuer-ebooks/2381343724-285-7615

Kobo eReader für eBooks

Hat einen kleinen Kratzer den man als helleren punkt sieht wenn die hintergrundbeleuchtung an ist.,Kobo eReader für eBooks in Ingolstadt - Ingolstadt

12:35 AM

@tux-linux what model is this

12:35 AM

i might get it

well

12:50 AM

Nur Abholung

12:50 AM

crap

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7:51 AM

Welcome everyone?

7:51 AM

Can you say a word?

7:51 AM

So many people, so much silence

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7:55 AM

Bruh

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Szybet

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/kobo-ereader-fuer-ebooks/2381343724-285-7615

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/ebook-reader/2277905235-285-2467?simcid=6ffce58b-f6ee-41fc-8d0d-5c52b501e601 what about that one?

9:46 PM

I am a bit wondering about shipping batteries nowadays abroad (edited)

9:47 PM

I think it is nearly impossible for private persons nowadays

I already have written to a few sellers

9:50 PM

For some reason shipping to poland is 15 euro...

andi

I think it is nearly impossible for private persons nowadays

Whaaat i hear first time about that

and you cannot put goods into letter mail as a private custumer since 2019 if destination is international (edited)

9:58 PM

in Germany

9:58 PM

so you have to use more expensive things

10:00 PM

so something >=12 euro is completely sane

10:06 PM

No matter the size, in poland to poland a package to... Paczkomat? Idk if there is a word for it costs 2€, even less

10:06 PM

Saaaad

I've never had issues getting tablets and the like shipped in the mail.

DHL small parcels starts at 6 euros to Poland, with insurance and tracking it is 14 euros, so if there is some distrust, then probably sellers will try to use something with tracking

Me neither, but I'm obviously in the wrong place

well, the BT200 I received from Japan, there was even in the parcel discription: no batteries, the batteries were in, but the parcel was not marked at all

10:45 PM

https://www.paketda.de/verschicken/batterie-akku-gefahrgut.html#vorschriften-international

Akkus und Batterien: Welche Gefahrgut-Vorschriften gelten beim Vers...

Welche Vorschriften gelten beim Versand von Lithium-Batterien und Akkus in Paketen? Mit welchem Paketdienst kann ich Batterien national und international verschicken?

10:45 PM

so basically only via UPS is possible for private customers

Maybe only because it was cheaper (edited)

or just other rules for things departing in Japan

11:05 PM

whatever

11:06 PM

Germany->Poland would probably not be air transport, so things might work

11:07 PM

because rules not so much enforced

There are usually (very strong) rules about shipping stuff that's a fire hazard via air, yeah

10:39 PM

Even via road, getting alcohol shipped to a pharmacy usually requires a separate delivery

Well here in Canada I don't seem to have got problems about road shipping eReaders

(that's half because fire hazard, and half because weird legacy custom rules about alcohol because moonshine days ;p)

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10:44 PM

On the upside, I have access to medical grade isopropyl alcohol, which is kind of a bitch to get otherwise in france

10:45 PM

worked great to clean a daughter card the other day

10:46 PM

Because someone (it was me) had a PSU installed the wrong way around (fan up), so computer case was dust central >_<"

NiLuJe

On the upside, I have access to medical grade isopropyl alcohol, which is kind of a bitch to get otherwise in france

Any diffrences from regular one?

NiLuJe

On the upside, I have access to medical grade isopropyl alcohol, which is kind of a bitch to get otherwise in france

fun fact (probably because of even more weird EU/FR rules): it has an expiry date (of ~5 years)

10:47 PM

it's basically pure (99.99%, or ~200 proof for our US friends)

10:48 PM

You usually only get 91 or 93%

NiLuJe

fun fact (probably because of even more weird EU/FR rules): it has an expiry date (of ~5 years)

10:49 PM

As you are here, could you look up #dev with my usb libs compiling problem? (edited)

missed what you were trying to build

10:50 PM

saw the log but don't know what it's from

libusb needs libudev, libudev needs usb utils, usb utils needs libusb

10:50 PM

Basically that

10:50 PM

Whole problem in one sentence

I'm pretty sure I've built libudev in the past w/o libusb

10:50 PM

might be a configure (or meson?) flag to disable

Well i hadnt found one yet

The systemd-less one, specificially: https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev

GitHub - eudev-project/eudev: Repository for eudev development

Repository for eudev development. Contribute to eudev-project/eudev development by creating an account on GitHub.

And im not the only one with the problem, someone trying to compile it for android had similar issues and solved it with rust hackery i dont understand yet

Which doesn't appear to depend on libusb at all, so, there you have it?

NiLuJe

The systemd-less one, specificially: https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev

I tryied an archive one from kernel.org

NiLuJe

Which doesn't appear to depend on libusb at all, so, there you have it?

Umm... Cool

10:53 PM

Thanks will try it

https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-fs/eudev/dependencies

sys-fs/eudev – Gentoo Packages

Gentoo Packages Database

Oh its the gentoo one

10:53 PM

I looked into it and yyyyyyyy i have some concerns it will work

It was forked by Gentoo devs originally, yeah

10:54 PM

And as such is still used on Gentoo if using OpenRC instead of systemd

10:54 PM

But it's not really Gentoo-specific

10:54 PM

I used it to test libinput, FWIW

10:54 PM

(didn't work, needs an actual decent udev & kernel running, too :D)

nope xD

FBInk/fbink_button_scan.h at 6572b5f393f810785e382104391d177120da46...

3.28 KB

./configure --disable-udev?

11:23 PM

ndi@aktux:/tmp/libusb-1.0-1.0.24$ ldd libusb/.libs/libusb-1.0.so.0.3.0 linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffdfe92e000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f6c2cfe6000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f6c2ce11000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f6c2d075000) andi@aktux:/tmp/libusb-1.0-1.0.24$

11:23 PM

no libudev involved

andi

no libudev involved

cool...

11:23 PM

i wonder why and how

andi

./configure --disable-udev?

  --disable-option-checking  ignore unrecognized --enable/--with options
  --disable-FEATURE       do not include FEATURE (same as --enable-FEATURE=no)
  --enable-FEATURE[=ARG]  include FEATURE [ARG=yes]
  --disable-largefile     omit support for large files
  --enable-dependency-tracking
                          do not reject slow dependency extractors
  --disable-dependency-tracking
                          speeds up one-time build
  --enable-silent-rules   less verbose build output (undo: "make V=1")
  --disable-silent-rules  verbose build output (undo: "make V=0")
  --enable-shared[=PKGS]  build shared libraries [default=yes]
  --enable-static[=PKGS]  build static libraries [default=yes]
  --enable-fast-install[=PKGS]
                          optimize for fast installation [default=yes]
  --disable-libtool-lock  avoid locking (might break parallel builds)
  --enable-split-usr      Include hard-coded default search paths in / and
                          /usr
  --disable-programs      disable programs (udevd, udevadm and helpers)
  --disable-blkid         Disable optional blkid support
  --disable-selinux       Disable optional SELINUX support
  --disable-manpages      disable manpages
  --disable-kmod          disable loadable modules support
  --enable-hwdb           install hwdb.d files
  --enable-rule-generator enable legacy persistent network, cdrom support
  --disable-mtd_probe     disable MTD support

that looks very different

NiLuJe

The systemd-less one, specificially: https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev

its this

11:26 PM

--disable-programs -disable-selinux --disable-manpages worked

you can compile libusb without libudev dep

11:26 PM

that way around

11:27 PM

so I disabled udev dep in compiling libusb by specifying --disable-udev in libusb configure

andi

./configure --disable-udev?

there isin't something like that but it worked, but --disable-FEATURE is propably that

11:28 PM

well anyway i want libudev to work in qt

11:28 PM

so i think disabling it is not a way

That's just old kernel headers (edited)

11:37 PM

I may have just fed it a bunch of -D defines via CPPFLAGS, but up-to-date kernel headers would also do the trick

11:37 PM

Event if they're not the TC's, but just in another location appended to search paths

11:44 PM

e.g., it's similar in spirit to this mess I use when doing input stuff: https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/blob/6572b5f393f810785e382104391d177120da46f6/fbink_button_scan.h#L35-L66

FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print text & images to an eInk Linux framebuffer - FBInk/fbink_button_scan.h at 6572b5f393f810785e382104391d177120da46f6 · NiLuJe/FBInk

11:44 PM

Because the 2.6.whatever kernel headers I use for the kobo TC are too old to declare these evdev events and/or keys

11:44 PM

And that stuff is just numbers, so it's entirely safe to fake

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Okay we need a template on welcoming new users

8:17 PM

Hi, I discovered this looking for a linux distro for an pld kobo that I had

Welcome to the InkBox OS community. We're happy to have you here and hope you're settling in nicely. As a new member, we'd love to know a little bit about what brought you to our community. Is there anything in particular you're interested in or looking to learn more about while you're here?

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Hi, I discovered this looking for a linux distro for an pld kobo that I had

cool, what does pld mean

Old

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8:18 PM

Typo

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okay

I had looked for an FOSS ereader in the past but none were workable

well kobos are pretty good ( with inkbox )

8:21 PM

but there isin't really a hardware FOSS one

8:21 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

inkbox seems very polished

as one of the 2 developers working on it, i dissagree but i'm also working on it

No it's definitely polished

i won't give you specific examples of my complains, because the printer also doesn't print the red underlines saying that a word is bad written, but yea

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Welcome to the InkBox OS community! We're happy to have you here and hope you're settling in nicely. As a new member, we'd love to know a little bit about what brought you to our community. Is there anything in particular you're interested in or looking to learn more about while you're here?

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Hi, I discovered this looking for a linux distro for an pld kobo that I had

@tux-linux which model is this ( number )? is this supported?

I don't know

8:14 PM

It's just an"old kobo"

sooo @rexbron are you willing to port it?

It’s an N905B, so already supported

oh ok

8:18 PM

nice

Though I did load some books on via a Win10 machine, ejected and got stuck on this screen

8:19 PM

It will sleep and resume

it needs time

Szybet

but there isin't really a hardware FOSS one

https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/diy-e-reader-project-using-raspberry-pi-and-4-2-inch-e-ink-display

Sovan Mandal

DIY e-reader project using Raspberry Pi and 4.2-inch E Ink display

Here is something that can make DIY enthusiasts feel excited about. It’s a new e-reader project powered by a Raspberry Pi that you can make on your own. Conceived by Reddit user, thataintthis, the e-reader supports several e-book formats such as EPUB, CBZ, and PDF, to name a few. It is a proof-of-concept, open-source project that is still being ...

yea, i sugested this guy inkbox os

8:32 PM

still, its a glued in thing

8:33 PM

not really a proper ereader

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im not a fan of the no touch

yea, also that

rexbron

Though I did load some books on via a Win10 machine, ejected and got stuck on this screen

You did not update to 1.9

I installed version 1.7 as linked on the home page, should I use another version?

Szybet

it needs time

It’s been overnight

rexbron

I installed version 1.7 as linked on the home page, should I use another version?

the newest one is 1.9

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im speed

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libmtdev.so.1

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libinput.so.10

huh

bruh not here

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sorry

np

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Last 5 persons i welcomed didnt responded

10:44 AM

sooo uhm welcome

hey, I'm seeing some progress on Clara HD so I thought I'd join and see how it's going

Welp, 10~ people worked on it and gived up (edited)

11:18 AM

You can help

Was there anything particularly challenging about it, or do people just simply lose interest and give up?

Nothing challenging, just lose interest

12:14 PM

Its litteraly the only device that has a decent kernel which makes it 50% easier than other weird kernels soo kinda sad it isint still ported

Are we using kobo's stock kernels or are we building it from source?

For clara, andi ported the mainline kernel

1:23 PM

So in this case, its easier

1:23 PM

Usually we use kobo sources and modify it

I've also got a kindle paperwhite as well, 7th gen

2:03 PM

I wonder if amazon has enabled secure boot on this board (wario)

2:09 PM

https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/arch/arm/boot/dts/imx6sll-kobo-clarahd.dts

imx6sll-kobo-clarahd.dts - arch/arm/boot/dts/imx6sll-kobo-clarahd.d...

Elixir Cross Referencer - Explore source code in your browser - Particularly useful for the Linux kernel and other low-level projects in C/C++ (bootloaders, C libraries...)

2:09 PM

Interesting, so there's even a dts in mainline for the clara hd (edited)

2:09 PM

I wonder how many peripherals actually work

Apricot

I wonder how many peripherals actually work

All?

Apricot

I wonder if amazon has enabled secure boot on this board (wario)

Propably is

no, secure boot is not used for this board

5:07 PM

in fact this is the last gen that doesn't have it enabled

Szybet

Propably is

Nope, can confirm

5:34 PM

InkBox has been ported to the original Kindle Touch fyi (@Apricot)

the imx5 one?

what? so they like randmly put secure boot in and out?

It’s never been enabled until after kt3 I think (edited)

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Hiya! I just installed inkbox in my kobo mini, and having some issues, so trying to work through those and smooth out the edges.

So just intending on doing some lurking and reading to educate myself

Welcome

12:15 AM

What issues are you experiencing, specifically?

Well, I'm sure it's things that are my fault haha. I installed it, booted it up, looking great, but I can't go into the SD card at all on my pc. It's unreadable/unviewable, and I can't resize the partitions (I had installed it on a 32gb SD card.) That said, I haven't updated everything yet, and it's an old version, so I still have things I can try before I bother anyone too much!

Are you on Windows?

Yes

joy

Well, I'm sure it's things that are my fault haha. I installed it, booted it up, looking great, but I can't go into the SD card at all on my pc. It's unreadable/unviewable, and I can't resize the partitions (I had installed it on a 32gb SD card.) That said, I haven't updated everything yet, and it's an old version, so I still have things I can try before I bother anyone too much!

Hmm, I think @tux-linux did something that negates partition resizing, but we'll find out when he has time

12:18 AM

He's a student so he's very busy

Completely understandable! Thank you so much for the friendly welcome, it's much appreciated ^^

Thanks for joining :D

Use gparted on linux - easiest just boot a live cd

+ you need to resize the squash fs

Ooh, it's not possible on windows?

Not my fault windows partition manager is crap

I was able to partition the same SD cards with miniToolPartition Wizard before flashing, so it seems odd to be locked out of that option now, but I'll try it, thank you

10:34 AM

Can inkbox read ebooks with drm protection?

joy

Can inkbox read ebooks with drm protection?

Just remove the drm

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joy

I was able to partition the same SD cards with miniToolPartition Wizard before flashing, so it seems odd to be locked out of that option now, but I'll try it, thank you

Its ext4 filesystem, windows is stupid and doesnt support it

Thank you for your help!

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Anki on remarkable 2 or kobo forma?

what

5:56 PM

what

5:56 PM

6:01 PM

inkbox has sanki - my anki compatible flash card app

6:01 PM

its outdated, i will update it ~~soon~~

6:07 PM

remarkable doesnt have any

I downloaded balenaetcher for windows and and flashed inkbox-1.5-n905c onto my kobo forma… When it was completed, my device reset and was wiped clean, going through all the intro kobo setup again. How can I fix this? How do I properly set up inkbox on the kobo forma?

is kobo forma the n905c? no? its the kobo touch? are you insane? writing and incompatible device image... anyway kobo forma is not supported, no one ported it + you need to flash it with the sd card in it, not by connecting the ereader to your pc. ( DONT DO IT ITS NOT SUPPORTED ) (edited)

10:54 PM

you could eassly destroy it by writing a RANDOM IMAGE to it. STOP

Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you on this… I thought n905c was the name of a software update. I asked about kobo forma and you replied with inkbox, so I tried to download it.

Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you on this

I understand. Thats why you always ask before doing something you dont understand?

I did lol

i did not respond with "Write this image"...

It’s fine, it’s still working so no problem

yea... like cats have 9 lives, apparently your ereader has 2 at least

I wasn’t too attached with what was on it

i mean completly destroying the device - it wouldn't do anything

11:01 PM

bricked

Yeah

11:01 PM

I’m very ignorant when it comes to this stuff

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So only devices with removable sd cards work?

no, its more complicated

11:03 PM

only devices that a person found time to port inkbox to it work

But only certain kobo models

only because noone ported it

I don’t even know what porting is

making sure it works on a new device

Is it impossible for it to work on kobo forma?

Szybet

only because noone ported it

it is possible, as i said

But a lot of work for someone

most of the time "someone" enjoys it

11:06 PM

hacking a new device, making more use of it. cool stuff

Do the recent imx kobo devices use HAB at all? (edited)

im developing inkbox for at least a year and i dont know what HAB is?

Secure boot

no, from what i know, no

Excellent

why would they

11:09 PM

its not an evil ~~amazon~~ corporation

Szybet

bricked

could have shorted ram or something probably

Szybet

im developing inkbox for at least a year and i dont know what HAB is?

NXP's version of secure boot (edited)

https://forum.eksiazki.org/tolino-f188/tolino-shine-root-modyfikacje-jezyk-polski-t16502.html

Zobacz wątek - Tolino Shine: root + modyfikacje + język polski

Kompletny (mam nadzieję) poradnik w postaci pdf dostępny jest tutaj: http://chomikuj.pl/debros/Tolino+Shine/ ... 134437.pdf i zawiera obszerne opisy oraz ilustracje pokazujące proces rootowania Tolino Shine. Polecam ...

1:37 PM

Tolinis are android based?.....

Yes

2:51 PM

Someone did run android on Kobo Glo

2:51 PM

But mainly useless now because it was android 2.x

I think I’ve seen 3rd party android builds for some kpw models too

2:55 PM

But I can’t imagine it would be usable with just 256 or 512MB of dram

Yea

3:08 PM

Cool anyways

Dominiac joined the server. 3/23/2023 4:40 PM

hello there! is there a wiki somewhere about the project that can tell me the updated list of models supported?

4:44 PM

sry for the noob question in advance

Hello, a week time lurker I'm from France and I would like to know if I can use that https://github.com/kevinior/haslate on inkbox, Thank you

GitHub - kevinior/haslate: HAslate - E-ink Home Assistant Dashboard

HAslate - E-ink Home Assistant Dashboard. Contribute to kevinior/haslate development by creating an account on GitHub.

Dominiac

hello there! is there a wiki somewhere about the project that can tell me the updated list of models supported?

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki

4:59 PM

but its down. give me a moment i will message the owner

Mikku

Hello, a week time lurker I'm from France and I would like to know if I can use that https://github.com/kevinior/haslate on inkbox, Thank you

you can? yes. But you would need to port it

5:01 PM

cool app it is

Szybet

but its down. give me a moment i will message the owner

ha I see! thx I'll wait for it to be up again

Check the way back machine

it seems the wiki is not archived

It should be back there soon

5:32 PM

It is available now

lets goooo

1

5:32 PM

thx!

(edited)

Dominiac

it seems the wiki is not archived

Do it then... weird it should be

You can save it on the Wayback machine

8:09 PM

There's a form somewhere

done

hello again!

6:21 PM

say I want to install an x11 program into inkBox

6:22 PM

like another eBook reader program made to be used on linux

6:22 PM

is it possible to install without much fuss?

6:23 PM

I'm really impressed by the project and I'm inclined to get one kobo to tinker with this

Dominiac

is it possible to install without much fuss?

define much fuss (edited)

6:25 PM

cross compiling almost always is much fuss

6:25 PM

+ xorg + app is always heavier than a native app, so not a good idea in a long run

6:26 PM

1 core cpu and not too much ram, its less than a RPI 0

6:27 PM

+ xorg does a bit of refreshes that are unneceserry, so that doesnt look as great too

I see

6:30 PM

so the lighter the program the better

6:32 PM

btw did you guys make that scribbler program?

6:32 PM

where u make drawings and stuff on the screen

which one

Dominiac

so the lighter the program the better

the problem is xorg uses ram / resources, a program that write to the screen by itself ( QT ones ) are native, better

Szybet

the problem is xorg uses ram / resources, a program that write to the screen by itself ( QT ones ) are native, better

so if I got a program thats runs with QT does it work better? of even if I made a program with QT gui?

Szybet

which one

https://youtu.be/KaBj7acHRHk?t=491 this one

GitHub - Szybet/sketch-inkbox: Draw sketches on e-paper - fork for ...

InkBox OS 1.5

Dominiac

so if I got a program thats runs with QT does it work better? of even if I made a program with QT gui?

yes in general qt programs

Dominiac

https://youtu.be/KaBj7acHRHk?t=491 this one

No, its a qt example app. but now we plan to use https://github.com/Szybet/sketch-inkbox which is a bit faster

Draw sketches on e-paper - fork for inkbox. Contribute to Szybet/sketch-inkbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

6:49 PM

its part of plato

Szybet

No, its a qt example app. but now we plan to use https://github.com/Szybet/sketch-inkbox which is a bit faster

damm thats nice

if you look arround discord search you could find a video of it in use

6:51 PM

i sended it

Szybet

i sended it

cant find it tho :[

Szybet

yes in general qt programs

is there a more complete wiki somewhere? how can I port stuff into inkbox?

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/apps-on-kobo here is my knowledge + a link to aramir guide

niAudio/apps-on-kobo at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:14 PM

just trying arround / asking things will get you learn

Dominiac

cant find it tho :[

welp me too, sadly

7:15 PM

anyway, it is fast

By the way does KOReader run on inkbox?

No one tried but it could, why not

Szybet

just trying arround / asking things will get you learn

lets gooo, thx

im here most of the time and willing to answer and help

isnt there like a place where we can see all the available apps?

sell?...

7:20 PM

oh see

7:20 PM

im blind

like in a opensource library

not really, not yet

I see I see

http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/apps/

7:20 PM

here you can download them

is this anki?

7:21 PM

feathernotes is new, is missing, sanki is outdated, conway propably too? inkvt is missing a keyboard? not complete yet propably

Dominiac

is this anki?

https://github.com/Szybet/sanki

GitHub - Szybet/sanki: small anki rewritten for e-readers, with foc...

small anki rewritten for e-readers, with focus on inkbox support - GitHub - Szybet/sanki: small anki rewritten for e-readers, with focus on inkbox support

7:22 PM

my implementation - eink focused

7:22 PM

its very basic - but works

7:22 PM

i plan to expand it

oh hell yeah

@tux-linux does inkvt have a keyboard? did you figure that out or was this my job

Yes but doesn't work on all devices

7:24 PM

Best works on Glo HD

okay, why

Don't know

7:24 PM

Magic

cool

7:24 PM

when will you have time for the project again btw?

In a googol year

7:25 PM

No, for real, maybe this weekend but you know that maybe really means maybe

ok cool

Szybet

anyway, it is fast

witch version did you use it on? I'm thinking in getting the Kobo Glo HD one

kobo nia

8:55 PM

idk about eink speeds

9:06 PM

do you use it alot?

9:06 PM

the "scribble" tool

no

9:07 PM

what do you plan it for?

9:07 PM

touch on einks isint as accurate to use for anything more serious

9:07 PM

you would need an active pen

Szybet

touch on einks isint as accurate to use for anything more serious

any capacitive touchscreen is not as accurate do use for anything serious*

well I was thinking like, taking a notes by hand

nope, no chance

it sucks?

it sucks because of hardware, not software

Szybet

any capacitive touchscreen is not as accurate do use for anything serious*

.

9:11 PM

+ the screen size is a bit too small

I see...

there is a reason elipsa and sage exists https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500001927562-Write-notes-in-your-book-with-Kobo-Stylus

Write notes in your book with Kobo Stylus

While reading, you can write and highlight on the page just like a real book. For example, you can write on the margins and circle key words. Note: Kobo Stylus only works with Kobo Sage and Kobo ...

Dominiac

I see...

well i write for 3 weeks now notes on my nia using a keyboard

Szybet

there is a reason elipsa and sage exists https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500001927562-Write-notes-in-your-book-with-Kobo-Stylus

yhea but its not supported yet

Szybet

well i write for 3 weeks now notes on my nia using a keyboard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/796445063127236648/1084163747238662225/presentation-low-res.mp4

9:12 PM

quick demonstration

9:13 PM

for simple math equations / charts i can use the scrible app

anyway the nia one is the faster tablet supported is it?

9:23 PM

or is it aura

what?

9:24 PM

faster? what?

I mean, the most recent

faster in what way

cpu?

nia definitely not

9:26 PM

budget device

9:26 PM

other idk

9:26 PM

+ nia has only 256Mb of ram, very low

ha I see

just look at the spec

Dominiac

anyway the nia one is the faster tablet supported is it?

Glo HD is

9:41 PM

Or Libra h2o But Glo HD is better

roger that!

9:43 PM

prob will get the Glo HD

Szybet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/796445063127236648/1084163747238662225/presentation-low-res.mp4

u got more of those presentations?

(sry for being anoying lel)

Dominiac

u got more of those presentations?

(sry for being anoying lel)

you are not annoying, feel free to ask. Sadly no, if you want to know something about this setup, then ask

do you guys have had bad experiences with 2º hand ink tablets? (edited)

of what i can say of what i have heard from other people here, no

I do

12:43 AM

what's the question ? (@me if you answer I'm quite busy at the moment so I don't look here quite often) (edited)

Buying 2nd hand devices is always kind of a gamble. If you’re in a place where these things are really common, might be able to just pick one up locally.

3:08 AM

This way you would be able to inspect the device before actually paying for it

I was thinking in getting one from cex

12:25 PM

its 2nd hand but hey inspect it and stuff to see if its in good condition

12:25 PM

or at least I hope

12:26 PM

have you guys ever bought stuff from them?

no

well its almost half the price from a brand new one so I think I'll risk it

Kuratius joined the server. 3/26/2023 1:48 PM

Kuratius

Click to see original message

Oh no

1:49 PM

I have been discovered

You are the guy who asked about plato

1:49 PM

well welcome

just opened my nia and took out the 16GB sd card, now trying to figure out what I need to do to get a OS I can actually run my own software with

Szybet

You are the guy who asked about plato

yeah

Kuratius

just opened my nia and took out the 16GB sd card, now trying to figure out what I need to do to get a OS I can actually run my own software with

(bit confused that they hide 8GB of capacity but eh)

Kuratius

just opened my nia and took out the 16GB sd card, now trying to figure out what I need to do to get a OS I can actually run my own software with

1. clone the sd card, make a backup 2. https://inkbox.ddns.net/downloads.html flash the nia image

Kuratius

(bit confused that they hide 8GB of capacity but eh)

its for system, but with inkbox you get arround 3Gb~ more out of it

Szybet

its for system, but with inkbox you get arround 3Gb~ more out of it

I think mine had 6.7 GB free out of 8 GB when I got it, so I assume that's not the the whole story

1:52 PM

would make more sense if those 1.3 GB were the OS and the rest is product stack segmentation

1:53 PM

8GB sd cards are probably similar in price to 16GB ones

P1 is boot flags P2 is recovery system P3 is root filesystem P4 is UI components, X11 and user data

Szybet

1. clone the sd card, make a backup 2. https://inkbox.ddns.net/downloads.html flash the nia image

this doesnt work for custom software right?

You need to root it

Kuratius

this doesnt work for custom software right?

you mean?

1:54 PM

yea, rooting it is needed

And update to 2.0-dev

wiki says I need to recompile the kernel first

Yes, good way to familiarize you with build process

I cant do that on the kobo directly right?

You can compile everything for 2.0 and you will have learned most of what you need to do for your user app

Kuratius

I cant do that on the kobo directly right?

It would take 10^100 years and probably not be finished even then

1:56 PM

You have access to a Linux PC?

ya

1:56 PM

but I have to reboot first

How much time would you have for this ? >90% of people registering here say hello, maybe ask some questions, sometimes want to do something for the project but then they disappear and never come back (edited)

Szybet

1. clone the sd card, make a backup 2. https://inkbox.ddns.net/downloads.html flash the nia image

is the clone needed if I use a different sd card for inkbox?

Well, It's always good

1

1:59 PM

But no

1:59 PM

Not mandatory

at least backup the first 100Mb then

1:59 PM

of the sd card

1:59 PM

its the most important

Yes Contains eink and kernel magic

tux-linux

How much time would you have for this ? >90% of people registering here say hello, maybe ask some questions, sometimes want to do something for the project but then they disappear and never come back (edited)

I'm primarily interested in compiling plato for inkbox

2:00 PM

Not really planning anything fancy beyond that

You don't like the default reader without even having tried it?

you dont even need to compile - just pack it - make a launch script and maybe improve gui apps permission giving

tux-linux

You don't like the default reader without even having tried it?

I don't have an opinion on plato either, I just want to try it and see what the interface and performance is like

Ok

2:02 PM

Read this https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=InkBox_GUI_user_apps

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sony_PRS-T1

Szybet

you dont even need to compile - just pack it - make a launch script and maybe improve gui apps permission giving

+ minor modyfications like disabling suspend

"minor"

plato apart from pdf is better than the inkbox reader for now

2:06 PM

~~in my opinion~~

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but do the inkbox reader and plato work with vertical text?

2:07 PM

Iirc koreader still crashes when opening a book with it

?

Japanese text is vertical

No idea

no chance, propably

Works on the default kobo software at least

But you can add support for it for sure

tux-linux

You have access to a Linux PC?

Is fedora fine or should I use a debian based distro? My desktop has Nobara Linux, my laptop has xubuntu, but it's very slow

whatever really

2:12 PM

the only problem that we had was arch - so if something goes wrong use a debian container

Kuratius

Iirc koreader still crashes when opening a book with it

(Would be better if it outright crashed or gave an error instead of trying to open the book for 10 minutes before failing)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2:13 PM

my problems with koreader was that it had a memory leak - after some time reading it got slower and slower

Kuratius

Is fedora fine or should I use a debian based distro? My desktop has Nobara Linux, my laptop has xubuntu, but it's very slow

Debian is probably a better idea

Szybet

my problems with koreader was that it had a memory leak - after some time reading it got slower and slower

Were you on a development build?

Nope

3:37 PM

Dont complain - there is a reason i develio my own now ;p

Szybet

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

can you list the repos and build steps for making an image?

4:13 PM

I haven't found anything like that on the wiki

4:15 PM

maybe this?

4:15 PM

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/kernel: Kernel sources for InkBox OS

Look up my feather notes repo - there is a script and base for generating an image

4:17 PM

You mean an app or os image?

I did mean an os image, but this will probably be useful too

Well for user app you already know

4:18 PM

Why do you want an os image?

I'm under the impression that I need to recompile the kernel to install a custom userapp without approval by an inkbox developer

4:20 PM

found something https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

4:21 PM

(this should probably be linked on the wiki)+

Yep, and you dont need to update the whole os to update the kernel

4:22 PM

Look up my repo niAudio and inkbox.md file, there is the dd command to update the kernel

I still think it's probably a good idea to make a build script that can make an image from scratch

4:23 PM

does that exist somewhere?

Yes

4:24 PM

It does

4:24 PM

Kobo-inkbox organisation, some repo there

4:24 PM

still you dont need an image

imgtool

==== Setting up InkBox OS kernel ====
./release.bash: line 63: pushd: out/: No such file or directory

this is step seems to fail

Szybet

Yep, and you dont need to update the whole os to update the kernel

bro...

$ ls
out  release.bash  sd

(edited)

i can help you with the kernel, not with the whole image

4:59 PM

tux-linux creates images

Szybet

i can help you with the kernel, not with the whole image

I'd like to try this, if it's really hard I'll probably give up but if there's a build script then it should be doable

5:04 PM

sorry if it's annoying

trying to build only the kernel is easier than the whole os...

5:05 PM

the kernel is one script only anyway

(also in case it matters, most browsers block the image download from the ddns website because it doesnt use https, probably a good idea to add an image to the github release)

use wget then

it's trivial to circumvent, I just dont want to

because?

Kuratius

(also in case it matters, most browsers block the image download from the ddns website because it doesnt use https, probably a good idea to add an image to the github release)

https://www.google.com/search?q=github+release+file+size+limit

5:07 PM

nope

Szybet

because?

there's been cases where projects get hacked and provide malicious downloads, e.g. transmission https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2016/09/transmission-hijacked-again-to-spread-malware

Transmission hijacked again to spread malware | Malwarebytes Labs

In this article, we take a look at a couple important takeaways from 2 recent hacks on Transmission.

Good luck with imgtool then

5:10 PM

Try to look inside the script

Kuratius

(also in case it matters, most browsers block the image download from the ddns website because it doesnt use https, probably a good idea to add an image to the github release)

1.It's too big 2.The ddns server is https The download server (23.163.0.39) isn't, simply because it's a download server

tux-linux

1.It's too big 2.The ddns server is https The download server (23.163.0.39) isn't, simply because it's a download server

Download servers cant or shouldnt use https?

Can and should have

Change my mind

5:15 PM

In what way would it be more secure

Harder man in the middle attack because of encryption management

5:15 PM

Well It's a download server Not gitlab

got past the pushd error by just running a second time ==== Building base SD image ==== ~/Documents/imgtool/out ~/Documents/imgtool Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16 qemu-nbd: Failed to set NBD socket

Modprobe nbd

5:25 PM

Or install it before if not existing

tux-linux

Modprobe nbd

output is empty, I assume that means it's installed?

What?

5:26 PM

Oh yes

still fails (same error) (edited)

What is the command you launch it with

./release.bash n306 testing root

Testing?

private key

Oh

5:30 PM

Does it ask you for Sudo?

at the beginning yes

What is complete log

(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ sudo ./release.bash n306 testing root
==== Building base SD image ====
/home/dk/Documents/imgtool/out /home/dk/Documents/imgtool
Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16
qemu-nbd: Failed to set NBD socket

Run without Sudo

5:32 PM

Delete out folder

5:32 PM

Send log

(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ ls
release.bash  sd
(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ ./release.bash n306 testing root
==== Building base SD image ====
~/Documents/imgtool/out ~/Documents/imgtool
Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16
qemu-nbd: Failed to set NBD socket
(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$

5:34 PM

fwiw before I was getting an error about the img file being in use, but that disappeared when I deleted it (before the nbd error I mean)

bash -x release.sh etc

release.sh?

5:35 PM

or release.bash?

bash

(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ bash -x release.bash n306 testing root
+ '[' -z '' ']'
+ case "$-" in
+ __lmod_vx=x
+ '[' -n x ']'
+ set +x
Shell debugging temporarily silenced: export LMOD_SH_DBG_ON=1 for this output (/usr/share/lmod/lmod/init/bash)
Shell debugging restarted
+ unset __lmod_vx
+ '[' -z n306 ']'
+ '[' -z testing ']'
+ '[' -z root ']'
+ PKEY=testing
+ KERNEL_TYPE=root
+ GIT_BASE_URL=https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox
+ PKGS_BASE_URL=http://23.163.0.39
++ tr -dc A-Za-z0-9
++ head -c 10
+ MOUNT_BASEPATH=/tmp/inkbox-cWVUoUb9T2
++ dirname '${0}'
+ cd .
+ GITDIR=/home/dk/Documents/imgtool
+ mkdir -p out/release
+ case "${1}" in
+ DEVICE=n306
+ build_base_sd_image
+ printf '==== Building base SD image ====\n'
==== Building base SD image ====
+ IMAGE_FILE=release/inkbox-n306.img
+ pushd out/
~/Documents/imgtool/out ~/Documents/imgtool
+ root_command modprobe nbd
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo modprobe nbd
[sudo] password for dk: 
+ qemu-img create -f qcow2 release/inkbox-n306.img 3865470976
Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16
+ root_command qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbd0 release/inkbox-n306.img
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbd0 release/inkbox-n306.img
qemu-nbd: Failed to set NBD socket
+ exit 1

5:44 PM

ima reboot and see if it changes something

5:47 PM

gets past the error now

5:47 PM

somehow

5:47 PM

I assume it's probably a process or program that didnt exit correctly and got stuck in an infinite loop

5:51 PM

==== Setting up InkBox OS kernel ====
+ setup_kernel_repository
+ '[' -z '' ']'
+ pushd out/
release.bash: line 63: pushd: out/: No such file or directory
+ '[' '!' -d kernel ']'
+ pushd kernel/
~/Documents/imgtool/out/kernel ~/Documents/imgtool/out ~/Documents/imgtool
+ '[' n306 == n306 ']'
+ KERNEL_FILE=zImage-root
+ root_command env GITDIR=/home/dk/Documents/imgtool/out/kernel scripts/make_devicenodes.sh
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo env GITDIR=/home/dk/Documents/imgtool/out/kernel scripts/make_devicenodes.sh
env: ‘scripts/make_devicenodes.sh’: No such file or directory
+ exit 1

5:52 PM

running again immediately after gives this

 ==== Building base SD image ====
+ IMAGE_FILE=release/inkbox-n306.img
+ pushd out/
~/Documents/imgtool/out ~/Documents/imgtool
+ root_command modprobe nbd
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo modprobe nbd
+ qemu-img create -f qcow2 release/inkbox-n306.img 3865470976
Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16
qemu-img: release/inkbox-n306.img: Failed to get "write" lock
Is another process using the image [release/inkbox-n306.img]?
+ root_command qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbd0 release/inkbox-n306.img
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbd0 release/inkbox-n306.img
qemu-nbd: Failed to blk_new_open 'release/inkbox-n306.img': Failed to get "write" lock
Is another process using the image [release/inkbox-n306.img]?
+ exit 1

the following is after reboot->delete out directory->mkdir out

(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ mkdir out
(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ bash -x release.bash n306 testing root
+ '[' -z '' ']'
+ case "$-" in
+ __lmod_vx=x
+ '[' -n x ']'
+ set +x
Shell debugging temporarily silenced: export LMOD_SH_DBG_ON=1 for this output (/usr/share/lmod/lmod/init/bash)
Shell debugging restarted
+ unset __lmod_vx
+ '[' -z n306 ']'
+ '[' -z testing ']'
+ '[' -z root ']'
+ PKEY=testing
+ KERNEL_TYPE=root
+ GIT_BASE_URL=https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox
+ PKGS_BASE_URL=http://23.163.0.39
++ tr -dc A-Za-z0-9
++ head -c 10
+ MOUNT_BASEPATH=/tmp/inkbox-vHrSPJhos0
++ dirname '${0}'
+ cd .
+ GITDIR=/home/dk/Documents/imgtool
+ mkdir -p out/release
+ case "${1}" in
+ DEVICE=n306
+ build_base_sd_image
+ printf '==== Building base SD image ====\n'
==== Building base SD image ====
+ IMAGE_FILE=release/inkbox-n306.img
+ pushd out/
~/Documents/imgtool/out ~/Documents/imgtool
+ root_command modprobe nbd
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo modprobe nbd
[sudo] password for dk: 
+ qemu-img create -f qcow2 release/inkbox-n306.img 3865470976
Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16
+ root_command qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbd0 release/inkbox-n306.img
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbd0 release/inkbox-n306.img
qemu-nbd: Failed to set NBD socket
+ exit 1
(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$

6:04 PM

is it likely that this is due to fedora having different behavior or am I doing something wrong?

6:05 PM

for reference this is the output of pwd

(base) [dk@dk-desktop imgtool]$ pwd
/home/dk/Documents/imgtool

6:06 PM

I think that's the correct place to run the bash script from

Kuratius

is it likely that this is due to fedora having different behavior or am I doing something wrong?

Maybe

6:11 PM

Google it

6:11 PM

The error

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1111635

6:19 PM

Weird thing is I'm pretty sure nobara is not fedora 20

as a fedora user I recommend not using it lol

1

7:31 PM

try debian first

I'm really sad that canonical made ubuntu borderline unusable, because I can't recommend that to beginners anymore

Mint: exist

the snap bullshit they force onto people is just insanely stupid

Yea it is

I don't hate the technology, I hate canonical's pushy attitude and scummy practices to force its adoption

All my family, even the older ones use mint and it has been great

Apricot

I don't hate the technology, I hate canonical's pushy attitude and scummy practices to force its adoption

You should: the server side is closed source

that merely annoys me, the problem that makes it unusable for me is that I can no longer install firefox and chromium with apt (edited)

Maybe app images?

especially on a low-spec server or a vm the several hundred megs of memory that snapd uses actually matters (edited)

8:29 PM

firefox was also forced to switch to snap-only before they were even able to iron out the performance issues

You can delete the make_devicenodes line It's not needed anymore

Are there any known issues with these instructions? I have not progressed very far with them, so it would seem that something is up. https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md

https://github.com/Lea-fish/Leafish/issues/275

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Um no?

6:08 AM

@atro

WellMetOutlander

Are there any known issues with these instructions? I have not progressed very far with them, so it would seem that something is up. https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md

What are your problems?

tux-linux

You can delete the make_devicenodes line It's not needed anymore

the entire block or only 1 line?

8:03 AM

this ? root_command env GITDIR="${PWD}" scripts/make_devicenodes.sh

deleting gives this error

 LD      arch/arm/kernel/built-in.o
---- There was an error during the build process, aborting... ----
+ '[' n306 == n306 ']'
+ cp -v kernel/out/n306/zImage-std /home/dk/Documents/imgtool/out/release/uImage-std
cp: cannot stat 'kernel/out/n306/zImage-std': No such file or directory
+ cp -v kernel/out/n306/zImage-root /home/dk/Documents/imgtool/out/release/uImage-root
cp: cannot stat 'kernel/out/n306/zImage-root': No such file or directory
+ root_command dd if=kernel/out/n306/zImage-root of=/dev/nbd0 bs=512 seek=81920
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo dd if=kernel/out/n306/zImage-root of=/dev/nbd0 bs=512 seek=81920
dd: failed to open 'kernel/out/n306/zImage-root': No such file or directory
+ exit 1

Yeaaaa there is something messed up with the script

8:40 AM

You know you can built the kernel on your own?

8:40 AM

No concerns of security

Szybet

You know you can built the kernel on your own?

You mean on its own?

8:41 AM

Just tried on debian btw, imgtool fails there too

Kuratius

You mean on its own?

Yes? Thats what i was talking about

Kuratius

Just tried on debian btw, imgtool fails there too

It went further

Szybet

Yes? Thats what i was talking about

"on your own" =by yourself (i.e. what I am already doing) on its own =by itself (Compiling only the kernel)

8:52 AM

I'll try the github gist next, maybe that'll work better

Kuratius

"on your own" =by yourself (i.e. what I am already doing) on its own =by itself (Compiling only the kernel)

Yes you can compile the kernel by your... You compile it and can use it

What's the hash of inkbox-1.9-n306.xz?

11:37 AM

We will have hashes for 2.0

11:37 AM

Stop being so... Idk english

11:38 AM

Noone wants to hack into your ereader - no crypto mining, no valuable data

It just seems a bit strange to have a strict security policy on software installation but not on distributing the os

11:39 AM

It'd make things much easier if there was an image provided for a less restrictive os

does the keyboard have a "-" character somewhere?

Kuratius

It just seems a bit strange to have a strict security policy on software installation but not on distributing the os

Its a project done by 2 people, we dont even have the resources for https - but hashes will be added in the next release

Kuratius

does the keyboard have a "-" character somewhere?

It should?

I cant find it

Isint there a special button?

There is on the right side

12:05 PM

#? Named propably

Yeaaa you need to update to the latest dev version

Szybet

Yeaaa you need to update to the latest dev version

there isnt a download for that is there?

Also tried plato on default kobo os (after making a backup) and apparently it cant render Japanese epubs correctly (it converts them to horizontal text and doesnt know how to deal with the furigina/reading aids so it just puts them on the same line)

1:47 PM

but at least it's not like koreader

Kuratius

there isnt a download for that is there?

No, it's a dev version

Well

1:56 PM

If you want japanese adding them to inkbox will be the easiest from these 2

Szybet

If you want japanese adding them to inkbox will be the easiest from these 2

Why

Both of them have custom engines, ours is just qt

*Frankenstein qt with mutool

Nah

Will the issues with imgtool be fixed? It seems like those may be classified as a bug & having an easy way to get started with the newest version would be convenient. It's not possible to connect to a wifi network with a hyphen in the passphrase. One of the things you may want to add is a dependency & directory check at the very beginning so that the process isn't interrupted midway. It doesn't seem to exit correctly if a step fails and you end up having to reboot your system (may be a qemu issue?) If not then instructions for how to actually build a dev version should probably be added to the github or the wiki, though that's probably more complicated. I don't think blackholing information in the discord is a good idea, though I understand that you may want people to come in and talk to you because that may result in them contributing to the project, but if building the project is complicated enough then that's more detrimental than helpful. (edited)

Yes The problem is that we lack time imgtool was designed for my computer with a specific set of packages installed even if I tried to make universal. It probably is the first time someone else tried it out. You can submit PRs to improve it. Keyboard issues have been fixed in 2.0

It maybe is not mutool issue, we need to debug it deeper

tux-linux

Yes The problem is that we lack time imgtool was designed for my computer with a specific set of packages installed even if I tried to make universal. It probably is the first time someone else tried it out. You can submit PRs to improve it. Keyboard issues have been fixed in 2.0

You lack time*

Does ldd work with a bash script?

Szybet

You lack time*

You said you lacked as well

tux-linux

You said you lacked as well

Only for 2 weeks, not half a year

Kuratius

Does ldd work with a bash script?

I hope not

2:24 PM

It's a script

2:24 PM

What do you want to use it for

Extracting dependencies automatically

Its more complicated than that

If not I have to go through line-by-line and google every command

Kuratius

If not I have to go through line-by-line and google every command

There is maybe propably a tool like that?

It must be experience, but how can you think ldd is smart enough to get through the whole file and scan for commands? We are not at this level of magic unfortunately

It works for binaries, but I guess those have their libraries listed in a more convenient fashion

1

You will probably need qemu-nbd bash sudo uboot tools xz busybox build-essential (maybe) etc

+ fedora has more splitted packages so even more

My debian build also failed at a pushd command so I don't think it's purely a fedora issue (edited)

squashfs-tools

Kuratius

It works for binaries, but I guess those have their libraries listed in a more convenient fashion

Sorry for being harsh, I was just very surprised

Kuratius

Extracting dependencies automatically

you have a list of binaries and you just want to find out what package(s) you should install to get them, correct?

Apricot

you have a list of binaries and you just want to find out what package(s) you should install to get them, correct?

Well, basically the idea would have been that I'd get a list libraries and then I'd somehow figure out the package names I guess

2:34 PM

But probably not needed if it's short enough

2:34 PM

ldd was suggested to me when I talked to a maintainer for leafish about adding missing build dependencies

If program that does it doesnt exist, im adding it to my list of future things

You are dealing with a bash script, right?

2:36 PM

Add missing packages to build instructions · Issue #275 · Lea-fish/...

On ubuntu, these are not available by default. Some of the crates are not native rust and instead just wrap these packages and will fail compilation without them being available. sudo apt install l...

Apricot

You are dealing with a bash script, right?

Imgtool is a bash script

2:37 PM

It's the image builder for inkbox

I tested imgtool on Debian Maybe it's why you're getting the Nbd socket issue You should try Debian

It's probably difficult for bash because a bash script technically only contains symbolic links/aliases so those may not be Automatically linked to a specific package (though I remember being suggested packages when trying some commands that weren't installed before, so there seems to be some way to do it fuzzily)

pkgs.org

tux-linux

I tested imgtool on Debian Maybe it's why you're getting the Nbd socket issue You should try Debian

It fails at one of the pushd lines instead on xubuntu (edited)

What one

63 I think?

if you have the name of the missing binary you can do this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/6311/how-to-find-out-which-not-installed-debian-package-a-file-belongs-to

How to find out which (not installed) Debian package a file belongs...

On Debian systems (and derivatives): $ dpkg --search /bin/ls coreutils: /bin/ls That is, the file /bin/ls belongs to the Debian package named coreutils. But this only works if the package is ins...

Which is?

2:40 PM

(on phone) (edited)

(this answer does not mention dnf, for dnf use dnf whatprovides *bin/your_binary_name

2:41 PM

Will run it again and post the output

I'm getting failures at devicenodes now(?) also having to reboot after every attempt is really annoying, is there a way to gracefully exit a failed script run?

2:55 PM

commented out the devicenodes line again

2:58 PM

using this command bash -x ./release.bash n306 testing stable

2:58 PM

midway there's a "error during build process, aborting" line but it doesnt actually abort (?)

2:59 PM

3:01 PM

buildlog.txt

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Kuratius

I'm getting failures at devicenodes now(?) also having to reboot after every attempt is really annoying, is there a way to gracefully exit a failed script run?

You can remove that line it is safe to do so

3:06 PM

If you want to test without reboot I think I did

umount -l -f /tmp/inkbox-*
qemu-nbd --disconnect /dev/nbd0
rm -rf out/

(edited)

3:07 PM

Then you should be able to start the script again

3:08 PM

If you want to avoid cloning kernel repo everytime you can specify KERNELDIR variable with location to place where kernel repo is cloned

tux-linux

If you want to avoid cloning kernel repo everytime you can specify KERNELDIR variable with location to place where kernel repo is cloned

inside the script or as an input parameter?

3:17 PM

dk@dk-ThinkPad-E560:~/kobo/build/imgtool$ sudo ./reset.sh 
umount: /tmp/inkbox-*: no mount point specified.
/dev/nbd0 disconnected
dk@dk-ThinkPad-E560:~/kobo/build/imgtool$ ./release.bash n306 testing standard
==== Building base SD image ====
~/kobo/build/imgtool/out ~/kobo/build/imgtool
Formatting 'release/inkbox-n306.img', fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 extended_l2=off compression_type=zlib size=3865470976 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16
dd: writing to '/dev/nbd0': Input/output error
1+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes copied, 0.000444534 s, 0.0 kB/s

3:18 PM

+ sudo dd if=/home/dk/kobo/build/imgtool/sd/n306.bin of=/dev/nbd0
dd: writing to '/dev/nbd0': Input/output error
1+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes copied, 0.000264396 s, 0.0 kB/s
+ exit 1

3:18 PM

reset.sh is these

umount -l -f /tmp/inkbox-*
qemu-nbd --disconnect /dev/nbd0
rm -rf out/

3:20 PM

made the following modifications to the build script

KERNELDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel # added this line
#root_command env GITDIR="${PWD}" scripts/make_devicenodes.sh # commented it out (added a # )

3:20 PM

3:21 PM

gonna reboot again

3:24 PM

---- There was an error during the build process, aborting... ----
+ '[' n306 == n306 ']'
+ cp -v kernel/out/n306/zImage-std /home/dk/kobo/build/imgtool/out/release/uImage-std
cp: cannot stat 'kernel/out/n306/zImage-std': No such file or directory
+ cp -v kernel/out/n306/zImage-root /home/dk/kobo/build/imgtool/out/release/uImage-root
cp: cannot stat 'kernel/out/n306/zImage-root': No such file or directory
+ root_command dd if=kernel/out/n306/zImage-std of=/dev/nbd0 bs=512 seek=81920
+ '[' '' == 1 ']'
+ sudo dd if=kernel/out/n306/zImage-std of=/dev/nbd0 bs=512 seek=81920
dd: failed to open 'kernel/out/n306/zImage-std': No such file or directory
+ exit 1

3:25 PM

  ./scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: Cannot open '/home/build/inkbox/kernel/initrd/devnodes-imx.txt'
make[1]: *** [usr/Makefile:73: usr/initramfs_data.cpio.xz] Error 1
make: *** [Makefile:947: usr] Error 2
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
  CC      init/init_task.o
  CC      init/version.o
  AS      arch/arm/vfp/entry.o
  AS      arch/arm/vfp/vfphw.o
  CC      arch/arm/vfp/vfpsingle.o
  CC      arch/arm/vfp/vfpdouble.o
  LD      init/mounts.o
  LD      init/built-in.o
  LD      arch/arm/vfp/vfp.o
  LD      arch/arm/vfp/built-in.o
---- There was an error during the build process, aborting... ----
++ nproc
+ env GITDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=8 TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root
---- Building Kobo Nia (N306) kernel ----
---- Building ROOT kernel for n306 ----

`

3:30 PM

uname -v
#74-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 22 14:14:39 UTC 2023

Kuratius

  ./scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: Cannot open '/home/build/inkbox/kernel/initrd/devnodes-imx.txt'
make[1]: *** [usr/Makefile:73: usr/initramfs_data.cpio.xz] Error 1
make: *** [Makefile:947: usr] Error 2
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
  CC      init/init_task.o
  CC      init/version.o
  AS      arch/arm/vfp/entry.o
  AS      arch/arm/vfp/vfphw.o
  CC      arch/arm/vfp/vfpsingle.o
  CC      arch/arm/vfp/vfpdouble.o
  LD      init/mounts.o
  LD      init/built-in.o
  LD      arch/arm/vfp/vfp.o
  LD      arch/arm/vfp/built-in.o
---- There was an error during the build process, aborting... ----
++ nproc
+ env GITDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=8 TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root
---- Building Kobo Nia (N306) kernel ----
---- Building ROOT kernel for n306 ----

`

what is the error?...

3:39 PM

give me a full log

bash -x ./release.bash n306 testing std &> full.txt

full.txt

90.4 KB

Kuratius

  ./scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: Cannot open '/home/build/inkbox/kernel/initrd/devnodes-imx.txt'
make[1]: *** [usr/Makefile:73: usr/initramfs_data.cpio.xz] Error 1
make: *** [Makefile:947: usr] Error 2
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
  CC      init/init_task.o
  CC      init/version.o
  AS      arch/arm/vfp/entry.o
  AS      arch/arm/vfp/vfphw.o
  CC      arch/arm/vfp/vfpsingle.o
  CC      arch/arm/vfp/vfpdouble.o
  LD      init/mounts.o
  LD      init/built-in.o
  LD      arch/arm/vfp/vfp.o
  LD      arch/arm/vfp/built-in.o
---- There was an error during the build process, aborting... ----
++ nproc
+ env GITDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=/home/dk/kobo/build/kernel/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=8 TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root
---- Building Kobo Nia (N306) kernel ----
---- Building ROOT kernel for n306 ----

`

Put your kernel repo in /home/build/inkbox/kernel Hard-coded paths

Kuratius

Iirc koreader still crashes when opening a book with it

While we don't support vertical layout, it should absolutely not crash, ever. If you can actually reproduce that, please report it! (edited)

@Kuratius one thought i had now: if you want to check if inkbox supports those japanese books, try to convert one to html ( with mutool ) if it will work - send me the html file, i will have a look at it (edited)

I'm going to spoil it: nothing does except Nickel's stock reader ;). (edited)

9:29 PM

https://github.com/koreader/koreader/issues/4353

VerticalText epub/mobi CSS support · Issue #4353 · koreader/koread...

KOReader version: All Device: All Issue not supporting vertical text CSS Steps to reproduce kindle/kobo all works fine but KOREADER not working, everything vertical will become horizontal. crash.lo...

9:30 PM

(For some very creative workarounds involving a rotated font & device ;p) (edited)

9:31 PM

JP does have very good support in KOReader though, with pretty decent ruby tag handling, and dedicated highlighting/dictionary handling

9:31 PM

In horizontal layout, obviously

@Szybet still need me to do some test ? (I'm in the middle of reinstalling everything). btw you asked what qt is used, it's this one https://invent.kde.org/qt/qt/qtbase.git

Qt Project / qt / qtbase · GitLab

KDE Invent (Gitlab)

Aramir

@Szybet still need me to do some test ? (I'm in the middle of reinstalling everything). btw you asked what qt is used, it's this one https://invent.kde.org/qt/qt/qtbase.git

I dont have time to prepare the qt prototype app.. Maybe later this week

np looks like I'll have some work to do too :p

9:44 PM

I love me some useful error message. Output : "void" (edited)

figured it out .... forgot that the kobo-qt-setup-scripts doesn't add arm-gcc bin to path. (At least I suspect that's it for now)

10:01 PM

And no that wasn't enough ahah Don't worry I won't spam again about my problems. But yeah if you need something ping me again soon ™️. spoiler : that's the install_libs.sh that broke again --" More precisely the zlib-ng patch 3:00 am ok that's enough for tonight. Thanks mr libpng and neon (edited)

NiLuJe

While we don't support vertical layout, it should absolutely not crash, ever. If you can actually reproduce that, please report it! (edited)

Still crashes (or becomes unresponsive for 10+ minutes) I'll dm you the epub

Szybet

@Kuratius one thought i had now: if you want to check if inkbox supports those japanese books, try to convert one to html ( with mutool ) if it will work - send me the html file, i will have a look at it (edited)

I can dm you a link to the epub sec

Kuratius

Still crashes (or becomes unresponsive for 10+ minutes) I'll dm you the epub

After I don't know how long it actually succeeded this time

6:26 AM

Still bad behaviour to lock people out for 10 minutes or more

6:27 AM

But it didn't even succeed when I tried on my jailbroken kindle before

Kuratius

After I don't know how long it actually succeeded this time

Text is rendered horizontally, but the furigana (ruby) works and dictionary lookups work

Kuratius

Text is rendered horizontally, but the furigana (ruby) works and dictionary lookups work

On plato the opening is instant, but ruby is broken

Will get my kindle and try again there too

It does the same thing but it has to redo it every time a display setting is changed so it's basically unusable because changing font size or spacing etc always results in the device freezing for a few minutes

10:36 AM

also here's a build log from the image builder (most recent attempt) it gets pretty far, but apparently the image is missing a partition table bash -x ./release.bash n306 testing root &>full.txt

full.txt

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You did not provide a valid private key and/or it needs an absolute path

12:51 PM

https://www.bradfordembedded.com/2016/06/openssl-file-signing

At the step "Creating the boot script image" in this guide, where is that boot script supposed to be located? https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md#creating-the-boot-script-image

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md

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@atro

I also assumed the previous step "Signing overlaymount-rootfs" takes place in /home/build/inkbox and not /home/build/inkbox/kernel but I might be wrong about that.

tux-linux

You did not provide a valid private key and/or it needs an absolute path

suggestion: change printf "You must provide the 'private key' argument.\n" to 'You must provide the 'private key dir' argument'

Dir? It just needs a file

private key file/path then (edited)

3:26 PM

probably also specify that it's a specifically a 2048 bit rsa key (edited)

Kuratius

suggestion: change printf "You must provide the 'private key' argument.\n" to 'You must provide the 'private key dir' argument'

Any pull requests are welcome

WellMetOutlander

I also assumed the previous step "Signing overlaymount-rootfs" takes place in /home/build/inkbox and not /home/build/inkbox/kernel but I might be wrong about that.

It takes place on the sd card?... Ifk we will see, not important for now

WellMetOutlander

At the step "Creating the boot script image" in this guide, where is that boot script supposed to be located? https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md#creating-the-boot-script-image

Kernel / uboot sources. Just use a search across the dirs

full.txt

1.1 MB

3:59 PM

I'll try copying the file manually, it seems to exist in /home/build/inkbox/kernel/kernel/out

Kuratius

I'll try copying the file manually, it seems to exist in /home/build/inkbox/kernel/kernel/out

Yep, idk what the script tries to achieve

also gave compiling the kernel a try

GITDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=$GITDIR/toolchain/gcc-4.8 TARGET=arm-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=4 scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root &>kernelLog.txt

kernelLog.txt

8.01 KB

Wrong toolchain

4:33 PM

Use the kobo one

Szybet

Use the kobo one

which is where?

Kernel repo

I am using the toolchain from the kernel repo so....

There are 4 toolchains

4:35 PM

Look up my repo on github named niAudio and inkbox.md file

4:35 PM

There is the command for compiling kernel

r/AskElectronics - What type of solderless connector should I use t...

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

4:48 PM

env GITDIR="${PWD}" TOOLCHAINDIR="${PWD}/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/" THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root

make -j$(($(nproc)*2)) ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf- is this a placeholder?

4:56 PM

Get the source: https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/blob/master/hw/imx6ull-nia/kernel.tar.bz2

Grab the config from arch/arm/configs/imx_v7_kobo_defconfig and copy it to the main directory as .config

Create a symlink to your cloned repo from /home/build/inkbox/kernel/. The script getting busybox is static.

* I have writed this sentence, and now I don't know whot a talked about. Could you clarify?

Enable Loopback device support, FUSE and SquashFS with XZ support.

* whot are the specific "names" of the changes? so it would be easy to paste the name in menuconfig, using "/" and then enable this feature

`what is going on here?

it is incomplete + this part is "from bare source" (edited)

4:57 PM

use inkbox repo + command i sended you

I think I got a working kernel?

5:04 PM

how do I replace this in the inkbox image?

5:04 PM

zImage-root

in a already existing inkbox image?

yeah

5:04 PM

or an sd card, dont care

Kuratius

Still crashes (or becomes unresponsive for 10+ minutes) I'll dm you the epub

That's a different beast altogether ;). That usually means some pretty intricate and complex CSS, or a gigantic book (i.e., omnibus). I'll look at it and forward it to our CRe wizard, thanks

5:09 PM

(Probably has nothing to do with vertical layout, though)

Kuratius

It does the same thing but it has to redo it every time a display setting is changed so it's basically unusable because changing font size or spacing etc always results in the device freezing for a few minutes

The latest release does these re-renders in the bg to alleviate the issue, FWIW (which, on a sane book usually only takes a few seconds, or even much less on newer SoCs)

suggestion: provide an official torrent for inkbox images

we have 2 mirrors

5:43 PM

why torrent

5:43 PM

when we have only 2 mirrors

Szybet

when we have only 2 mirrors

you do?

of inkbox

5:43 PM

the official download page

I only see one mirror

and the second server of apps

5:44 PM

there will be images for 2.0

and right now it seems quite slow

the second one is fast

also if you provide a hash there isnt really an argument against also providing a torrent

welp

5:45 PM

sure then

5:45 PM

i dont see a reason for torrent - tux-linux propably too but if you remind us about it before we release 2.0 then sure we can add it

Plus, you'd need seeders for a torrent to be of any use

Szybet

i dont see a reason for torrent - tux-linux propably too but if you remind us about it before we release 2.0 then sure we can add it

~~if we have the resources to do so~~

NiLuJe

Plus, you'd need seeders for a torrent to be of any use

thats why i dont see any sense in it ;p

maybe my internet is just fucked atm

NiLuJe

Plus, you'd need seeders for a torrent to be of any use

If there's ever an activity spike of people trying to download images you'll be glad for it

5:58 PM

It's not difficult either

imo seeding is a better use of someone's home internet for hosting downloads anyway

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Is the kernel supposed to be 10MB?

8:11 PM

writing it with dd to /dev/sdb and the offset you gave results in a crash

Kuratius

Is the kernel supposed to be 10MB?

Arround that

Kuratius

writing it with dd to /dev/sdb and the offset you gave results in a crash

Woah, cool, great

8:26 PM

almost there

8:27 PM

Do you have a usb - serial connector?

Szybet

Do you have a usb - serial connector?

I have a pico somewhere?

8:28 PM

Do I need it?

8:28 PM

Also if I have to solder I have to buy a soldering iron first (edited)

8:29 PM

Can't do that today

8:31 PM

also I have a cp210x uart bridge if that helps

Well then better not

8:35 PM

Read on the wiki how to get a ssh over serial connection

8:35 PM

Boot flags, something like that

8:35 PM

And get a shell that way

you don't necessarily need to solder

8:36 PM

just hold it there with like

8:36 PM

toothpicks and plasticine and stuff

3 hands?

8:36 PM

lol

you laugh but that's actually what @tux-linux did

8:37 PM

i can try to find the image (edited)

8:37 PM

You know my opinion on this ;p

lol

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

yup it's this one

Szybet

Read on the wiki how to get a ssh over serial connection

OVER USB****

8:38 PM

Bruh

2

1

8:38 PM

:P

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Szybet

Arround that

What minicom command? just minicom -D /dev/serial0?

12:55 PM

I have a pi 400 that seems to work-ish

12:57 PM

Also am I supposed to get any serial messages by default or is there a config I need to change?

12:59 PM

I got something

1:01 PM

Crashlog.txt

8.4 KB

1:05 PM

(I didn't end up soldering. I just pressed the wires down with a finger)

Szybet

OVER USB****

You didnt saw that

1:11 PM

Well anyway

Kuratius

What minicom command? just minicom -D /dev/serial0?

If its that device yes, maybe try sudo

Kuratius

I got something

Veru good!

1:12 PM

When booting it sends a message to if you spam seriak it will stop booting

1:12 PM

And get yoy a shell

Szybet

When booting it sends a message to if you spam seriak it will stop booting

you mean just press random keys till it stops?

Oh its locked down

1:16 PM

Wait

1:16 PM

Idk how to reverse that

1:16 PM

Can you check P1 for weird flags there?

Szybet

Idk how to reverse that

@tux-linux hello

1:18 PM

echo rooted | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872
dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 skip=79872 count=1

run this

1:18 PM

On the sd card

Szybet

Can you check P1 for weird flags there?

You mean boot? There's FIRST_BOOT=TRUE X11_START=TRUE DONT_BOOT=TRUE

Yea remove dont boot then

1:20 PM

And give me ligs

1:20 PM

You propably need to replace the keys

Have a shell

1:24 PM

Got "hit enter to stop auto boot

1:24 PM

It's asking for login details

1:28 PM

"Security Policy was violated"

Logs?

Log2.txt

18.09 KB

1:30 PM

(I rebooted after I got the login)

1:30 PM

Didn't try to log in

Please download a static strace binary https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/usr/bin/strace?raw=true then login in initrd and transfer it with busybox rx and minicom Make sure your terminal application has buffer lines set to >10000000 Then run ./strace /etc/init.d/init

1:40 PM

Copy output and send it

tux-linux

Please download a static strace binary https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/usr/bin/strace?raw=true then login in initrd and transfer it with busybox rx and minicom Make sure your terminal application has buffer lines set to >10000000 Then run ./strace /etc/init.d/init

Please break the instructions down a bit more Is initrd a boot phase? How do I log in there? What command is used to transfer if? It may be a bit tricky for me to run the command without breaking the uart connection, is that likely to be an issue?

1:45 PM

It isn't possible to just set it to write the stacktrace to the sd card is it?

1:46 PM

Also how difficult is it to get a shell via usb?

Bro stop

1:49 PM

Why strace

1:49 PM

Wait until i have time, strace is not neccesery here

Kuratius

Also how difficult is it to get a shell via usb?

Easy, read the wiki

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/5h2hw8/what_type_of_solderless_connector_should_i_use_to/ This seems to suggest pogo pins (?)

9 votes and 22 comments so far on Reddit

Kuratius

Please break the instructions down a bit more Is initrd a boot phase? How do I log in there? What command is used to transfer if? It may be a bit tricky for me to run the command without breaking the uart connection, is that likely to be an issue?

You can't hold the wires in place?

tux-linux

You can't hold the wires in place?

Not while typing

The same way you logged in earlier Noticed it said (initrd) at prompt?

Still don't have a third arm Skill issue, I know

Szybet

Easy, read the wiki

Not easy yet because he hasn't got rootfs up

1:51 PM

Have you tried with blue tack or smth?

Ugh stop, 10 minutes and i will see the logs

1:51 PM

No strace stop

I usually do that Or take ethernet wires and roll them around your gpio wires They are more solid and tend to move less and stuck in place

Szybet

Ugh stop, 10 minutes and i will see the logs

They are too vague You can't tell much from them That's why I need strace

If you want to reproduce what I did I can tell you It's just download image->flash to sd Compile n306 kernel with root option Then use the dd command szybet told me to use with of=/dev/sdb (sd card) to write the kernel to the sd (edited)

Oh you downloaded the image

1:57 PM

I thought you used imgtool

1:57 PM

imgtool signs everything for you

1:57 PM

Now you need to sign every package in the system with your private key for it to work

Kuratius

(I rebooted after I got the login)

Here is nothing new

Szybet

Yea remove dont boot then

Dod you did this

Do you know how to sign a package?

Szybet

Dod you did this

It would not have said the same thing if he didn't do it

Then he dont

Szybet

Dod you did this

I did this by deleting the file with sudo rm -r

For sure?

Yes

Ok lol @tux-linux wherr does it save the security enforcer, boot flag is for rootfs propably

2:00 PM

Some dd thing propably

What?

Where does it save security enforcer

2:00 PM

This thing

It's in various initrd scripts and in inkbox-os-init

Where does it save it

2:03 PM

Only

2:04 PM

I remember one clara user had problems with it, needed to replace the kernel with a new onr then it was enforced one more time

Kuratius

If you want to reproduce what I did I can tell you It's just download image->flash to sd Compile n306 kernel with root option Then use the dd command szybet told me to use with of=/dev/sdb (sd card) to write the kernel to the sd (edited)

Are you sure you didnt replaced any keys anywhere?

Szybet

Are you sure you didnt replaced any keys anywhere?

You mean when compiling the kernel?

Yea

2:09 PM

GITDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=$GITDIR/toolchain/armv7-linux-musleabihf-cross TARGET=arm-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=4 bash -x scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root &>kernelLog.txt this is the command I used

On a clean kernel repo?

maybe the build script replaced a key somewhere? (edited)

Clean

2:09 PM

YEA?

it might not be clean?

use git reset hard

2:10 PM

What was the propblrm what you gived up with imgtool?

constant issues with files that were in the wrong location

2:11 PM

also rebooting every time is not that much fun

Welp okay

It'd be good if either any necessary cleanup ran automatically or I could run it in a vm Also need a standard directory structure/a directory structure that is automatically managed by the build script (better to use relative directories)

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Kuratius

It'd be good if either any necessary cleanup ran automatically or I could run it in a vm Also need a standard directory structure/a directory structure that is automatically managed by the build script (better to use relative directories)

Yea, agree, but thats it, we dont have time for it

Pometcan

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2:18 PM

Welcome

Pometcan

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Szybet

Yea, agree, but thats it, we dont have time for it

upload a vm image that people can use for building (maybe?)

2:20 PM

also it's not hard to just write down the directory structure required/expected (edited)

Not vm, container

that works too

Magnetlink for the InkBox 1.9 Kobo Nia Image magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2b2d4fa38e7b544bc36d29e5a78b2e1e7f6588b6&dn=inkbox-1.9-n306.xz (edited)

1

5:57 PM

(takes ~1 min to make with transmission-gtk)

6:02 PM

@tux-linux next time you're on your pc, can you post the absolute paths of all the repos on your system in a config where your build script succeeds?

Kuratius

Magnetlink for the InkBox 1.9 Kobo Nia Image magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2b2d4fa38e7b544bc36d29e5a78b2e1e7f6588b6&dn=inkbox-1.9-n306.xz (edited)

(didn't add trackers, so may need to redo it later)

6:04 PM

If someone wants to try the link and see if it works as is let me know

Kuratius

@tux-linux next time you're on your pc, can you post the absolute paths of all the repos on your system in a config where your build script succeeds?

Give him find / thats it (edited)

Szybet

use git reset hard

Still says security policy was violated

Yea, delete the boot flag now

Szybet

Yea, delete the boot flag now

still complains about violated security policy

7:14 PM

it wouldnt have made sense for it to work anyway

7:14 PM

else the private key would be written in the kernel repo, defeating the point of signing in the first place

7:15 PM

I get that such a strict security policy is useful for kobos without sd cards since it makes people less likely to brick their devices, but if inkbox is only running on sd-card enabled devices anyways I dont see the point

7:16 PM

(also different question, can you write to the sd card from the serial port? would be interesting if that meant installing inkbox on non-sdcard enables kobos was possible, if very slow

7:17 PM

14 kB/s apparently

7:18 PM

only takes a little bit less than a day to write 1 GB (edited)

7:18 PM

so maybe possible but not really desirable

7:18 PM

still probably worth doing a backup that way

7:21 PM

may be an idea: load image as file via usb, then load small program via serial that does the rest?

7:21 PM

btw is there serial output without an sd card?

7:23 PM

Ima look at the fcc filings for a sage

7:29 PM

cant find anything :/

7:30 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343122

Libra 2 I still disassembled the KOBO Libra2 - MobileRead Forums

Libra 2 I still disassembled the KOBO Libra2 Kobo Reader

7:30 PM

found something for the libra 2

7:31 PM

oof

7:32 PM

so basically you want to either dissolve the glue chemically or thermally, or you want to figure out how to read or write to the contacts of the sd card without removing it (edited)

7:33 PM

(I dont have any of these, I'm just curious)

Kuratius

else the private key would be written in the kernel repo, defeating the point of signing in the first place

There isint any private key, you dont have it

7:34 PM

Its checkwd with the puvlic key

Kuratius

still complains about violated security policy

You are doing something wrong...

Kuratius

(also different question, can you write to the sd card from the serial port? would be interesting if that meant installing inkbox on non-sdcard enables kobos was possible, if very slow

From usb yes, from serial port ugh not really, complicated

Szybet

You are doing something wrong...

I ran the git reset --hard command you suggested and then ran the compile again

7:35 PM

then I used dd with the offset you gave

Kuratius

I get that such a strict security policy is useful for kobos without sd cards since it makes people less likely to brick their devices, but if inkbox is only running on sd-card enabled devices anyways I dont see the point

Its not strict, its for protecting the data inside ( why not? )

7:36 PM

And the image is downloaded?

Szybet

And the image is downloaded?

yes

Kuratius

btw is there serial output without an sd card?

You mean?

sudo dd if=zImage-root of=/dev/sdb bs=512 seek=81920
20028+1 records in
20028+1 records out
10254400 bytes (10 MB, 9.8 MiB) copied, 3.47631 s, 2.9 MB/s

Szybet

You mean?

apparently there isnt, just checked

7:37 PM

it doesnt even try to boot

Kuratius

found something for the libra 2

What are you talking about, what glue

Szybet

What are you talking about, what glue

some of the waterproof kobos have glue in the sd card slot

7:37 PM

it's a tangent, dont think about it

Kuratius

it doesnt even try to boot

The cpu boots directly from the sd card, the "bios" is on the sd card

Kuratius

some of the waterproof kobos have glue in the sd card slot

Nah, no glue can stop hackers

Kuratius

may be an idea: load image as file via usb, then load small program via serial that does the rest?

We have an idea for an installer from the main os but quess what: no time

this wasnt a complaint

7:39 PM

dont worry about it

7:39 PM

I just like to think out loud

7:40 PM

@Szybet can you give the hash of the kernel?

7:40 PM

as in the compiled one

You are doing something wrong, the nia is the most used device for inkbox lately ( I have it ). Please send me your sd card image, compressed. I will test it and figure this out tommorow

Szybet

You are doing something wrong, the nia is the most used device for inkbox lately ( I have it ). Please send me your sd card image, compressed. I will test it and figure this out tommorow

with or without the kernel replacement?

Kuratius

@Szybet can you give the hash of the kernel?

Every compilation, every system, every cpu* (maybe not) compiles a bit diffrent. No point in hashes for self compiled software

Kuratius

with or without the kernel replacement?

With

Szybet

Every compilation, every system, every cpu* (maybe not) compiles a bit diffrent. No point in hashes for self compiled software

that doesnt apply to cross compilation

7:42 PM

so it's irrelevant

Kuratius

that doesnt apply to cross compilation

Doubt it

and if you need repeatable compilation you can set the feature set to the base of whatever architecture you are compiling for

Using diffrent distros but the same toolchain gives diffrent results ( sometimes it doesnt work, because magic! ) so yea.

instead of the native one for your system

Szybet

Using diffrent distros but the same toolchain gives diffrent results ( sometimes it doesnt work, because magic! ) so yea.

that isnt how compilers work

Kuratius

and if you need repeatable compilation you can set the feature set to the base of whatever architecture you are compiling for

Not really good idea, arm has some cool specific things

Kuratius

that isnt how compilers work

Yea cool, and? Kernel compiled with arch was crashing in boot, but with debian it worked fine.

Szybet

Not really good idea, arm has some cool specific things

I know but the point is compilation is repeatable, if you set the same architecture and feature set

Yea but you said base features

this is just changing compiler flags, "base features" compilation is something you only do for software that needs to run the same way and have the same binary, on every system you compile it with but this is cross compilation so your compiler flags dont depend on the system you compile with, only the target

7:47 PM

compilers are deterministic unless there is a compiler bug

7:48 PM

(which is something you report to the developer of said compiler)

Not every arm cpu has the same features, i suspect this toolchain has some features enabled

7:48 PM

*for the target

possibly, but if you enable the same features on a different system it ought to produce the same binary bit by bit

7:49 PM

if it doesnt you're relying on undefined behavior and possibly memory bugs to compile your program

7:49 PM

which is really really bad

7:50 PM

it'd mean that cross compilation is not a reliable strategy even when done properly

7:51 PM

is the offset you gave for a specific partition or for the device as a whole?

Welp i know, but my experience is diffrent

Kuratius

is the offset you gave for a specific partition or for the device as a whole?

Device as a whole...?

Szybet

Device as a whole...?

the sd card

Szybet

Welp i know, but my experience is diffrent

Compiled on my arch - didnt worked Compiled on arxh on a diffrent system - worked Im talking about inkbox kernel. This situtation i had is why i use a debian container for compiling things Worked not worked as crashed during boot (edited)

Kuratius

the sd card

Yes, whole sd card

7:53 PM

I gave you the exact command

Szybet

Compiled on my arch - didnt worked Compiled on arxh on a diffrent system - worked Im talking about inkbox kernel. This situtation i had is why i use a debian container for compiling things Worked not worked as crashed during boot (edited)

could be that your compiler uses a library or you were using a different compiler version

Nope, clean repo the same

a compiler is just a binary and should be deterministic, if running a binary isnt deterministic you have undefined behavior in your program

7:54 PM

this is really bad

Welp linux kernel

7:55 PM

So well

7:55 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Kuratius

sudo dd if=zImage-root of=/dev/sdb bs=512 seek=81920
20028+1 records in
20028+1 records out
10254400 bytes (10 MB, 9.8 MiB) copied, 3.47631 s, 2.9 MB/s

can you give me the zImage-root hash from when you compiled it?

7:59 PM

sha1sum zImage-root

The last time i compiled i created a custom kernel with a custom config so not really

8:02 PM

Why do you want it

to see if I am flashing a wrong kernel

What is your command to comolie it once again?

GITDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=$GITDIR/toolchain/armv7-linux-musleabihf-cross TARGET=arm-linux-gnueabihf THREADS=4 bash -x scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root &>kernelLog.txt

8:04 PM

how did you get the offset btw?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

8:07 PM

I said

8:07 PM

kobo toolchain

I asked you but you never gave a straight answer

No, actually the nickel one

Kuratius

I asked you but you never gave a straight answer

Idk sorry then

8:09 PM

env GITDIR="${PWD}" TOOLCHAINDIR="${PWD}/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/" THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root

8:09 PM

Use this command

8:09 PM

Dont change it

8:09 PM

But idk if thats the issue anyway, try it anyway

are you sure that's the issue?

8:14 PM

I get a toolchain error

Kuratius

are you sure that's the issue?

Maybe it is, IDKK

Kuratius

I get a toolchain error

What ine

kernelLog.txt

14.48 KB

Git reset

8:17 PM

Things from previous compilation may mess up things?

8:17 PM

Maybe?

"security policy was violated, shutting down"

8:31 PM

I deleted the dont boot file

8:33 PM

compiling a kernel should always require the private key

8:33 PM

public is only to verify if the private key was known by the person compiling it

8:33 PM

so I assume I probably just need to figure out how to get imgtool actually working I guess

8:34 PM

but I'm not gonna do that with trial and error, I'll wait for someone to actually tell me how to run the script

8:34 PM

it shouldnt be hard to explain (edited)

No...

8:38 PM

We sign the rootfs, the apps etc with private keys

8:39 PM

With the public keys in the kernel

8:39 PM

Send me your image

it's way less of a hassle for you to just compile again and tell me the hash

8:42 PM

I dont get why that's an issue

I dont have my laptoo with me, maybe later

8:42 PM

Also i sont think kernel is the issue

8:44 PM

Show me your partition table of the sd card

Disk /dev/sdb: 14.84 GiB, 15931539456 bytes, 31116288 sectors
Disk model: STORAGE DEVICE  
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0xc9dd5cc0

Device     Boot   Start      End  Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdb1         49152    79871    30720   15M 83 Linux
/dev/sdb2        104448  1128447  1024000  500M 83 Linux
/dev/sdb3       1128448  1390591   262144  128M 83 Linux
/dev/sdb4       1390592 31116287 29725696 14.2G 83 Linux

(edited)

cool

10:08 PM

/tmp/cccPPzwF.s: Assembler messages:
/tmp/cccPPzwF.s:888: Error: .err encountered
/tmp/cccPPzwF.s:904: Error: .err encountered
  CC      fs/ext3/xattr.o
make[2]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:258: fs/fat/dir.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:403: fs/fat] Error 2
make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
  CC      fs/ext3/xattr_user.o

10:09 PM

wtfff

10:09 PM

i tryied to compile the kernel

10:09 PM

it is broken

10:09 PM

how

Probably your computer

10:11 PM

Or try with env -i at beginning of command

tux-linux

Probably your computer

cool, how do i teach him to behave like a normal computer

tux-linux

Or try with env -i at beginning of command

.

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I don't get any issue here

https://anonfiles.com/VeOdV0hez3/zImage_root

225.13 KB

5:09 AM

Maybe is there something to change in your invocation command? Mine:

env -i PATH=/usr/bin GITDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/ THREADS=32 TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf bash -x scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root

tux-linux

Maybe is there something to change in your invocation command? Mine:

env -i PATH=/usr/bin GITDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel TOOLCHAINDIR=/home/build/inkbox/kernel/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/ THREADS=32 TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf bash -x scripts/build_kernel.sh n306 root

Hash?

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heh, just werking at $dayjob. how 'bout you? (edited)

welcome, well school

Kuratius

Hash?

i will have time today to help you, debug itself with my nia

4:14 PM

it would be easiest if you send me your image

4:14 PM

but i will compile a kernel and send you too

4:14 PM

hash too

22:23 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
% md5sum zImage-root 
e245dc4a3eda18248dc8b53ee5c71e4e  zImage-root
22:23 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
% sha1sum zImage-root 
4c67512da8e1065e56218252e77b66c669e64925  zImage-root
22:24 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
% sha256sum zImage-root 
ba3e7b5791d4d69e4e5f8b0b9a911d146092598f285ad639dcd0a14c2e2b1fe4  zImage-root
22:24 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
%

10:24 PM

arch is cursed lol

tux-linux

.

nope, needed debian

10:44 PM

here it is, tested on the nia

10:45 PM

yea, i dont have an idea for a better upload site - just use adblock and check the checksum

10:48 PM

its not the latest commit btw

Szybet

its not the latest commit btw

which commit?

ummm N873: inkbox-splash: Increase HEIGHT_FACTOR value propably

11:51 PM

still works on the latest dev version of inkbox, so you should not care

Szybet

22:23 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
% md5sum zImage-root 
e245dc4a3eda18248dc8b53ee5c71e4e  zImage-root
22:23 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
% sha1sum zImage-root 
4c67512da8e1065e56218252e77b66c669e64925  zImage-root
22:24 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
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ba3e7b5791d4d69e4e5f8b0b9a911d146092598f285ad639dcd0a14c2e2b1fe4  zImage-root
22:24 szybet@debiano /mnt/HDD/Project/Public/kernel/kernel/out/n306
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I checked out the commit you spoke about and I get a different hash

12:08 AM

are you sure that's the right commit?

maybe Update system redesign ( 0f6a921b4b0f3f3c6380eb0a168e9b6aa477a2d0 commit id )

12:09 AM

or maybe the latest one actually, idk some one of those 3 for sure (edited)

12:09 AM

if you really want you can try these 3... i dont see the point

just check

12:12 AM

git branch`

i resseted to the latest commit

12:12 AM

i checked shell history, i have these 3 resets (edited)

literally just type git branch and it will tell you the commit

12:12 AM

just need the id

id of what commit

the one your compiled that you said works?

Szybet

i resseted to the latest commit

.

you said otherwise before

either the latest: 930ae5d1b0c7e4b838a6eedec68e56a8c45a53cb or this one, Update system redesign ( 0f6a921b4b0f3f3c6380eb0a168e9b6aa477a2d0 ) but most propably this one: 0556cc7a3deb72f93de407726b360e5153145b70 the height in description one

Kuratius

you said otherwise before

ugh. i resseted after i compiled it, tested it and sended it

oh ffs

the proper way to debug is to go step by step, and compiling the kernel is a step before writing it to the image, so if there's an issue there then that has to be figured out first, but you aren't able to just give a hash and say which commit it is that's frustrating feels like pulling teeth

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1057087/how-to-build-the-same-linux-kernel-twice-sources-and-get-the-same-checksum

How to build the same Linux Kernel twice sources and get the same c...

I'm searching if it's possible to build the same Linux Kerneltwice (same sources, same environment, same options, same compiler) and get the same checksum. Anybody knows how to do so?

12:25 AM

stop with the hashes

12:25 AM

dont invent new problems

12:26 AM

flash the kernel i send you if it works then there is problem with your kernel compiling. if it doesnt, the problem is the image

12:26 AM

simple

Will try that later, ty I looked it up and found a page listing all the things that need to be changed for a reproducible build https://docs.kernel.org/kbuild/reproducible-builds.html Having reproducible builds is still best practice, so probably keep it in mind for later

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Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Is this really the right offset? I'm still getting a security policy violation, except this time it results in a bootloop (edited)

9:01 AM

I can try deleting the flag again and see what happens

Kuratius

I can try deleting the flag again and see what happens

Do it

9:02 AM

Yes, write it to mmcblk0 not a partition

Szybet

echo rooted | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872
dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 skip=79872 count=1

run this

Was this message meant for me or tux? (edited)

Kuratius

I can try deleting the flag again and see what happens

The flag doesn't exist

for you?...

12:55 PM

you need to root it

Kuratius

Was this message meant for me or tux? (edited)

For you It's the root flag

tux-linux

For you It's the root flag

Why are there two dd commands and why does the second one not have an output file?

*input file?

8:51 PM

Input is taken from echo Piping

8:51 PM

The other command is for flashing the kernel

tux-linux

*input file?

Typo maybe? If says input is the sd card

tux-linux

Input is taken from echo Piping

mario, you know?

8:51 PM

:D

And there's two dd commands, do both get the pipe input?

8:52 PM

I'd expect only the first to get it

Szybet

mario, you know?

?

1

Kuratius

And there's two dd commands, do both get the pipe input?

No

tux-linux

?

Well what's the link with the situation

tux-linux

No

Then second dd command is incomplete

8:54 PM

It specifies an input and an offset, but not output

8:56 PM

no idea, @tux-linux clarify

input defaults to stdin

9:06 PM

Hence the piping

9:07 PM

Oh, wait, we're talking about the other one

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

The second one is used to check if it was correctly written

9:13 PM

It outputs to stdout

cool

9:14 PM

@Kuratius if you didn't writed these commands, it perfectly explains what is going on :D (edited)

Boots now

9:26 PM

Is the e getting cut off intentional?

where

9:28 PM

Errors without serial port, nice

um no

9:28 PM

i haven't seen the ebook thing, idk

Kuratius

Errors without serial port, nice

i see this screen for the first time lol

Oh and wifi is now broken

lol like how

Can't find any networks

i redesigned the old code for wifi and have written the new one on the nia. it works perfectly for me every time

Kuratius

Can't find any networks

how to reproduce? maybe give a video?

Could be an issue with the kernel version, idk

nope

9:32 PM

im running it currently too

9:32 PM

and wifi works

9:32 PM

make a video

Szybet

nope

Just tap on the wifi icon

bro im working on software for the kobo while its connected via ssh for the past 5h

9:32 PM

its working.

oh

9:33 PM

you dont have my wifi redesign yet

9:33 PM

update to the latest dev version, then we will talk

9:33 PM

but still strange, idk

Kuratius

Is the e getting cut off intentional?

You need to update anyway

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i dont have the ebook ereader at all

@tux-linux

1.9

it was removed?

yes

cool, i like this way of removing problems

https://nixos.org Seems like it might be interesting, though it's probably overkill (and apparently you can install the package manager on a normal distro anyway, so this might just be a distro optimized for making build containers)

Nix & NixOS | Reproducible builds and deployments

Nix is a tool that takes a unique approach to package management and system configuration. Learn how to make reproducible, declarative and reliable systems.

1

NixOS works great for my personal desktops and servers

Yea, its really cool

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Welcome frank

has the kobo aura a sd card as main storage @tux-linux

6:36 PM

the one supported by inkbox

aura se

8:12 PM

sd card (edited)

okay

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

hello

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

9:15 PM

Where is your welcome message Szybet

I gived up

9:35 PM

Atro, the german guy also

9:35 PM

But they with everything, i with the welcome message

9:36 PM

I will propably develop the things i want to use from inkbox and dont much more, there isint really anyone for who to write this software

Sad

sad is that no one responded to my welcome message

9:44 AM

What is wrong with people

we truly live in a society

1

later this month I'll get my kobo, will be asking for directions then

(edited)

3

We depend on people This morning I was thinking of finishing 2.0 and pausing the project afterwards because so few people actually seem to be using it but I will see (edited)

10:58 PM

If we can get $@$$#@ Clara HD to be ported it would be great

dont freeze it until i finish

@everyone Anyone else interested in contributing to the project ? Probably been a year or so since last general ping but we need your support. Since Feb. 2022 only major and regular contributors were Szybet, NiLuJe and andi1. I really do appreciate small contributions (contributions from Clara HD porting thread and other threads as well) but it would be great if someone could get as involved as ourselves in the project and as such, we could start to create a real community. It can be anything, a wiki guru or a kernel wizard, but this project has to grow because it's looking like it's been doing stationary bike, developing itself so fast yet with so few people demonstrating sustained interest towards it. Thanks...!

I unfortunately only have an elipsa and my ability to contribute productively is limited, unfortunately (skills, time). i wish i could help out in some way but i suspect i will slow things down too much.

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I have a touch and a semi working glow I can test if need be

I have a Clara HD but not the knowledge to really contribute

Trying to get my feet more planted with some work stuff but I’m thinking of diving in to try getting it working on my Libra 2

1

4:13 AM

As for wiki I’m… okay at technical writing and documentation but I would need to get a better understanding of the project first

hi

4:51 AM

i have a kobo nia

4:52 AM

if u remember I did the whole compilation for my ereader a year ago or so

1

4:53 AM

unfortunately due to uni I had to reflash the stock firmware since I didnt have time to tinker with it enough

4:53 AM

i should be able to do more now tho hehe

I have a Kobo Glo (maybe an HD? I can't recall) that's been sitting in a box for a while kinda waiting for something useful to put on it. I could certainly get involved. I'm busy as heck with everything else so not huge amounts of time

tux-linux

If we can get $@$$#@ Clara HD to be ported it would be great

I actually bought a Clara HD recently to play with, and I've got enough experience with embedded linux to be able to test stuff, but I'm no programmer and can't really deal with code. (edited)

12:17 PM

Additionally the current image generation process is very fragile and awfully complicated, so I haven't had time to actually build an image yet (edited)

Then we need more developers. Maybe try to forward the request (everyone) to some people you know that have some knowledge and could be interested in the project?

I think we need to fix the image building process first, because right now it's pretty complicated and rather error-prone

~~learn to code?~~

12:22 PM

Anyway

12:22 PM

We dont need imgtool at all... Mannually compiling everything is not that hard

Szybet

~~learn to code?~~

Unironically yes, but it's a long process, I'm not a smart cookie

Inkbox is modular, its not one big binary

We come really close to 2.0 release, I will take the time to try to improve it (edited)

Szybet

We dont need imgtool at all... Mannually compiling everything is not that hard

He is right You don't need imgtool You will learn things better if you do it manually

12:26 PM

Exactly

well if you guys are willing to teach I'm willing to learn (edited)

5:00 PM

once I get my hands on my kobo I'll start thinkering with it

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Apricot

I actually bought a Clara HD recently to play with, and I've got enough experience with embedded linux to be able to test stuff, but I'm no programmer and can't really deal with code. (edited)

I am the opposite of this lol I am a programmer but I'm out until there's no additional hardware involved.

I have scripting experience and playbook writing with little to no experience in proper programming… but looking at the source code I almost feel like I can help somehow. Getting excited, going to try and make time to flash it on the libra 2 tomorrow. I’ll make a thread if I have time

baahemian

I have scripting experience and playbook writing with little to no experience in proper programming… but looking at the source code I almost feel like I can help somehow. Getting excited, going to try and make time to flash it on the libra 2 tomorrow. I’ll make a thread if I have time

Sadly it is not supported for this model (yet), but perhaps you can help

tux-linux

Sadly it is not supported for this model (yet), but perhaps you can help

That’s what I noticed. Saw one of the issues on the GitHub that was a dead end which is sorta kinda why I’m interested. I might not be terribly skilled at programming but I like to rush headlong into troubleshooting and trying to make sense of stuff. Have a backup kindle paper white to go to if I need to keep reading my current books.

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fuller

I am the opposite of this lol I am a programmer but I'm out until there's no additional hardware involved.

I wish I was like that too lol, programming is a crippling deficiency for me and it's really difficult for me to catch up now

I mean is it a catch up game? You pick up and develop skills at your own pace. No set deadline or point where it’s too late really.

@tux-linux does this discord server got catched for clyde? https://support.discord.com/hc/pl/articles/13066317497239#docs-internal-guid-fe7b084f-7fff-ad24-ea6f-33753f84ccf2

Clyde: Chatbot AI Discorda

What does this article cover? What is Clyde? How to set up Clyde Chatting with Clyde Considerations FAQ Note: This feature is in beta for a small % of servers. Server Admins will be notified a ...

I seem to recall reading that some of these readers have a weird latch for the micro sd. Am I missing something?

well this is just a slot?

11:58 PM

some of them have, some have this

If it is , the little thing is wedged in tight.

yes, it is tight

Alright. If it breaks it breaks, here we gooooo

lol what

12:01 AM

just be carefull and move it slowly

12:01 AM

i had no issue with it

12:01 AM

i even installed a sd expander into it

12:02 AM

pull the sd card in this direction

I'm like 70% sure there's a drop of glue somewhere in the slot, it's just easy enough to get rid of with enough force

Kuratius

I'm like 70% sure there's a drop of glue somewhere in the slot, it's just easy enough to get rid of with enough force

no?

12:02 AM

you had one on the nia?

Wouldn’t be surprised. They glue all the connectors in this.

baahemian

Wouldn’t be surprised. They glue all the connectors in this.

which ones, those flex cables or what>

Yup.

um okay

12:04 AM

weird

It way easier to remove the sd after the first time, and the first time I used a small piece of metal to push it from the other side instead of pulling, and it felt like I dislodged something that was stuck (edited)

12:04 AM

Like breaking a seal or a glue connection

!! That was a good idea. Just came out easily

maybe the slot is designed like that, like a plastic holding it or smth, i doubt glue

Yup. Hot glue

um okay

12:05 AM

very unprofessional kobo

baahemian

!! That was a good idea. Just came out easily

What did you do?

On the opposite end are two small holes you can see the end of the sd card

12:05 AM

I used an esd safe tweezer to push it at the card level making sure not to touch any contacts

baahemian

I used an esd safe tweezer to push it at the card level making sure not to touch any contacts

as you have so profesional tools, maybe you have a soldering station to unsolder the sd card?

Is that glue?

12:07 AM

It’s glue plus a small film probably used for waterproofing at the contacts

baahemian

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Which Kobo is this?

Szybet

as you have so profesional tools, maybe you have a soldering station to unsolder the sd card?

I have some basic soldering tools but honestly just working with a small toolkit for now

12:07 AM

Libra 2

baahemian

I have some basic soldering tools but honestly just working with a small toolkit for now

if you want to be super save, unsolder the battery. just saying

Yeah that makes sense if I went further out I’d imagine. But at this stage removal of the sd card didn’t take any further disassembly… time to dump the contents of this card before flashing

what do you plan to flash?...

Going to just go for putting the InkBox image on the card and start trying to troubleshoot it?

12:12 AM

Probably won’t go super well but I’m willing to take a go at it I guess.

baahemian

Going to just go for putting the InkBox image on the card and start trying to troubleshoot it?

and you risk burning your ereader... stop

12:12 AM

thats not how it goes

baahemian

Probably won’t go super well but I’m willing to take a go at it I guess.

2 things you should be aware of By default you need a serial port to read debug output, but if you get screen output by coincidence, then you could enable a config option to print debug console output to the screen

read porting threads for the nia and clara in the early stages when there are talks about u-boot and kernel

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Fair enough. I suppose my eagerness is getting ahead of me.

ask before doing anything, really

Do the images attempt to boot if they detect that the device is unsupported?

12:15 AM

I thought they were device specific

Kuratius

Do the images attempt to boot if they detect that the device is unsupported?

uhm u-boot incompatibility, cpu incompatibility, kernel incompatibility

12:16 AM

imagine putting a bios of a laptop to another laptop, by flashing it

12:16 AM

nothing will happen 90% of the time

12:16 AM

the other 10 is magic smoke

Makes sense. Honestly won’t be surprised if in this I end up destroying something but perhaps nothing is a better lesson than some heartbreak. But even that said, this is a step beyond anything I’ve done before. Thanks for the forewarning

baahemian

Makes sense. Honestly won’t be surprised if in this I end up destroying something but perhaps nothing is a better lesson than some heartbreak. But even that said, this is a step beyond anything I’ve done before. Thanks for the forewarning

At the very least you can now put in a super big sd card

12:18 AM

(if you have a use for that, anyway)

~~if the size is supported~~

Can just swap things out with calibre wirelessly, which is fine

Okay… so if I understand what you mentioned @Kuratius I would need to locate the pin location for serial on the board (I might have) then solder to that point to a pin out that can connect to either an arduino or pi via gpio to establish a serial connection? Still digging through the suggested porting threads to try and put together a checklist of what I need to get ready

not gpio, othwewise yes (edited)

Hasty photo of the board… the four pin holes labeled “j3” look similar to the photos I’m seeing on some of these other boards but I know that doesn’t necessarily mean much. Sorry if I’m retreading something obvious here.

is it the whole board?

12:31 AM

this, propably

From the looks of it. Yeah I figured that, since it’s the J3.

12:32 AM

I would need to desolder the battery (before doing anything else, really) but there’s a lot of empty space in this model.

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minhlong245

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Thanks Syzbet for helping me to slow down a bit yesterday, I was a little too eager. Looking at the board now and the free space. I think o should be able to wire some permanent header pins that can interface with a usb to serial adapter, and still close the thing up when not in use. There’s about 4-5mm of space from the plastic the board sits on to the highest point that can fit under the stock cover. I think if I wire the pins under the board and solder on it should allow it to work; if the fit is too tight I can possibly print a back case. Want to try and keep this thing “functional” while testing by swapping sd cards.

woah, you have a 3d printer?

8:11 PM

the idea you have i have already done for the nia

8:11 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/case/guide.md

niAudio/guide.md at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

8:11 PM

i have access to sd card & serial without opening the device

Then again using these hook to male dupont adapters might be useful with a usb to ttl device

8:30 PM

so i dont have to do any kind of soldering at all on the board

baahemian

Then again using these hook to male dupont adapters might be useful with a usb to ttl device

If they work let me know and I'll buy some myself

baahemian

Then again using these hook to male dupont adapters might be useful with a usb to ttl device

you want to do this on the serial pins?

I'm 70% sure they won't fit or stay in place

Perhaps not... they push out then clamp down, so who knows... Would be nice.

i will just copy from the link

8:32 PM

first, serial connection
Use capton tape and add it below the serial pads because if you add too much solder, and the solder will touch the metal below, you will propably burn down the main cpu. You can eassly push it below the board without dissasembling it

8:32 PM

the same with those hooks

8:32 PM

so tldr bad idea

8:33 PM

if you want to do it directly onto the THT serial pins

Very nice guide you've written here. I'll keep this in mind. Like i mentioned (and probably made terribly obvious) I'm not terribly experienced in this, but curious enough to learn (and break things if needed). But I really appreciate the warnings, advice and patience with me so far

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Hi, today when I open the book, it always shows that I have reached the end of file. No matter whether I open it from home, the reader panel, or the result from local storage search. It happened for all the books. I am using N905B with inkbox 1.9

Reboot

8:30 AM

And wait till 2.0, we plan to redesign the reader

1

may be interesting to devs: https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/

PineNote Developer Edition - PINE STORE

NOTICE: The PineNote is an experimental device. PineNote software is still in it's infancy and therefore it is ONLY suitable for experienced developers. At present time, there is no default OS for the PineNote. BODY Dimensions: 191.1 x 232.5 x 7.4mm Weight: 438g Build: Polymer & PMMA Colour: White & Black DISPLAY Grayscale ...

7:20 PM

according to these comments it's based on the same SoC as the upcoming lenovo smart paper https://old.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/12svt7t/is_the_lenovo_smart_paper_dead/

r/eink - Is the Lenovo Smart Paper dead?

11 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit

price

7:24 PM

cheaper than the kindle scribe I think?

7:25 PM

nevermind

7:25 PM

was wrong

7:25 PM

same ballpark though (edited)

7:26 PM

actually no I was right

7:26 PM

only the cheapest scribe is cheaper

7:26 PM

the others are more expensive

okay

7:26 PM

then

7:26 PM

price

it says on the website

7:26 PM

$399 (edited)

7:27 PM

anyway, probably keep these in mind, could be a new inkbox Ecosystem

~~okay then price~~ (edited)

https://github.com/joeycastillo/The-Open-Book this is also interesting, but way more effort to get

GitHub - joeycastillo/The-Open-Book

Contribute to joeycastillo/The-Open-Book development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:52 PM

this is essentially the same, but with color, can potentially be reconfigured into a an ereader, but cant do inkbox

7:52 PM

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/inky-frame-5-7?variant=40057850331219

Inky Frame 5.7" (Pico W Aboard)

A large Pico W powered E Ink® photo frame / home dashboard / life organiser with glorious seven colour display and wireless connectivity.

its not linux

yeah

7:53 PM

still interesting to me personally though

7:53 PM

I like the idea of open source ereaders

7:54 PM

there's a fuzix port that can probably run on it (edited)

7:54 PM

maybe not well, but it probably can run

7:54 PM

https://www.fuzix.org/

7:55 PM

https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/how-to-get-started-with-fuzix-on-raspberry-pi-pico/

How to get started with FUZIX on Raspberry Pi Pico - Raspberry Pi

FUZIX has been ported to Raspberry Pi Pico and RP2040. Alasdair Allan walks you through how to get started with this old-school Unix clone.

Probably a bit too basic but interesting yes

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Could crowdfund it for inkbox os porting

Kuratius

https://github.com/joeycastillo/The-Open-Book this is also interesting, but way more effort to get

the guy behind this made an ereader for the pico, but it's really basic

8:14 PM

https://github.com/joeycastillo/libros

GitHub - joeycastillo/libros: WIP: the new Open Book firmware

WIP: the new Open Book firmware. Contribute to joeycastillo/libros development by creating an account on GitHub.

Kuratius

https://github.com/joeycastillo/The-Open-Book this is also interesting, but way more effort to get

8:26 PM

7k people are interested in maybe getting and assembly a custom pcb, 300 are watching the project, 200~~~ have tinkered with it

8:26 PM

and yet there are like 5 people interested in inkbox

8:27 PM

how

8:27 PM

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Szybet

and yet there are like 5 people interested in inkbox

I mean their software repos has worse numbers than inkbox, and Inkbox is software https://github.com/joeycastillo/libros

GitHub - joeycastillo/libros: WIP: the new Open Book firmware

WIP: the new Open Book firmware. Contribute to joeycastillo/libros development by creating an account on GitHub.

8:39 PM

(and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who posts anything in the issue section of the project, I dont think it actually has any contributors)

Szybet

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

You can buy hardware open source hardware and they often come with open source software. Whereas open source software is more nebulous. People are probably staring/following/etc hoping to see some "come buy our foss ereader now!" announcement. Something that won't happen with inkbox. (edited)

Why it wont?

3:44 PM

3:45 PM

If einks get affordable i will create one based on the pi

3:45 PM

Nicolas also had such plans

Szybet

If einks get affordable i will create one based on the pi

This was my first plan with ereader, but a worst eink display costs more than the entire nia

Aramir

You can buy hardware open source hardware and they often come with open source software. Whereas open source software is more nebulous. People are probably staring/following/etc hoping to see some "come buy our foss ereader now!" announcement. Something that won't happen with inkbox. (edited)

+ 200 forks arent people "hoping"

how many with actual work on it ? (I checked, 8) (edited)

still more than inkbox ( 1 )

:/

true

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Kobo+Aura+One+Teardown/139831

Kobo Aura One Teardown

My Kobo Aura One has had the screen fail…...

2:50 PM

does it have or not...?

2:51 PM

Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Aura One

2:51 PM

what are the diffrences?

2:51 PM

confusing

2:53 PM

https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019203933-Kobo-Aura-Edition-2

2:53 PM

its edition 2

2:56 PM

there is even a hd edition

2:56 PM

my god

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

"Kobo Aura" and "Model: N236" @tux-linux does this model have an sd card, reply in yes or no

2:57 PM

I REALLY might get one

Yes

2:57 PM

It does

2:57 PM

Inkbox has been ported for it

2:57 PM

Only n236 model

t h a n k you

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Ahmad joined the server. 4/23/2023 12:02 PM

any recommendations here for ereaders? I've been struggling to find something that suits me

12:16 PM

Thought to come here as it seems there's probably devs here who may have similar ideas as to what's good

Yes

12:38 PM

What are your criteria

Ahmad

any recommendations here for ereaders? I've been struggling to find something that suits me

do you need something that fits in a pocket, do you need something that you can write with? Imo go to a store and see if you actually like the size first

12:39 PM

do you need specific files (e.g. for pdfs you need a bigger screen otherwise it's uncomfortable)?

12:41 PM

avoid buying a kindle if it's an option

Yeah, the main thing I need is something for pdfs, with a blue light filter

12:42 PM

I'm curious about what this project / server is for too. I'm a web dev so it's not my field but still

12:42 PM

looks like it's a custom os?

12:43 PM

for kobo?

Ahmad

Yeah, the main thing I need is something for pdfs, with a blue light filter

look for big screens, kobo nia, clara, glo etc have too small screens for that

Ahmad

for kobo?

not only, yes

12:43 PM

kobo aura maybe

12:43 PM

idk about if the size suits you

well, I rarely go out

12:45 PM

but I also think it's one of the few producive things I could do on a train, laptop batteries die fairly fast

look for bigger screens like the aura, kobos are open so you can choose other software like plato, koreader, inkbox

12:47 PM

pdfs on small screens are pretty unusable

interesting, do you know which other readers can load custom software?

mainly kobo, pocketbook not so much ( not really at all, koreader only and thats a maybe ), tolino are kobos so also yes - other ereaders are pretty closed so its harder so no, only these brands

1

thanks so much :)

mu88 joined the server. 4/23/2023 12:54 PM

Hey @Szybet

12:56 PM

I'm here regarding https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/47

Kobo Nia: diagnostics mode on installation · Issue #47 · Kobo-InkB...

Hi

I've flashed the storage of my Kobo Nia, everything worked smoothly. When turning the device on for the first time and since then, I always end up in inkbox Diagnostics and Recovery - it ...

Hello

12:56 PM

I replied to you

first of all, thx for your time!

was the ereader wet at some time?

I bought a refurbished one from Switzerland's Amazon pendant (www.digitec.ch) - they check all devices before and even give two years of warranty, so I think the device is okay (edited)

Well it's probably not

But I could turn it on with the original firmware and it worked smoothly

@tux-linux maybe a hardware change in never models

Get into serial, and input the following command evtest /dev/input/event0

Szybet

@tux-linux maybe a hardware change in never models

oh no

@mu88 do you have a usb to uart adapter + please send pictures of your ereader insides

how do I enter the serial mode? Better on my Raspi or on Windows?

Szybet

@mu88 do you have a usb to uart adapter + please send pictures of your ereader insides

No, no adapter

tux-linux

Get into serial, and input the following command evtest /dev/input/event0

Or you could do that on nickel (default firmware) as well but serial is preferable

1:00 PM

rpi

1:00 PM

will do

Pictures coming in the GitHub issue, wait a second

well then RPI, do you know how to do it?

Picture is uploaded

1:02 PM

@Szybet no

holy shit

?

1:03 PM

Sorry, every time is a first time...

yours

1:04 PM

mine

1:04 PM

A COMPLETLY DIFFREND CHIP

mu88

Sorry, every time is a first time...

not to you not your fault

1

tux-linux

ok I looked into some docs for serial on RPis, but would it be possible to do it without soldering?

.

the reason why you only encounter nia users is that nia is the only one ereader with a downloadable image that is still in production

kuratius also doesnt have this

Kuratius

the reason why you only encounter nia users is that nia is the only one ereader with a downloadable image that is still in production

what?

ummmm yes

um

Ok, good that the display's working at least

kuratius you also dont have this chip

literally only bought a nia because I checked which ereaders had an inkbox release when buying

And touch seems as well

1:06 PM

Power button should be trivial Cough

Kuratius

literally only bought a nia because I checked which ereaders had an inkbox release when buying

and then you gived up on inkbox... bro

Szybet

yours

@mu88 can you please read the letters / numbers from the small chip that is diffrent?

Szybet

A COMPLETLY DIFFREND CHIP

@andi would probably want to tune in

+ make a picture of the bottom of the ereader where the button is

1:07 PM

@NiLuJe propably too as a koreader developer, look at this madness :D

Szybet

kuratius you also dont have this chip

correct, I have a different size chiplet in that spot

those are really diffrent pcbs, i dont have this chip

Szybet

what?

tux asked/mentioned it in the github discussion

oh ok

1:09 PM

but still

1:09 PM

updating to 1.9 is not that bad

1.9 was initial support release for nia

they even changed the crystal oscilator next to the cpu

1

Let me guess... we will get wifi problems

"current/in production" models are in green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_eReader

Kobo eReader

The Kobo eReader is an e-reader produced by Toronto-based Kobo Inc (a subsidiary of Rakuten). The company's name is an anagram of "book". The original version was released in May 2010 and was marketed as a minimalist alternative to the more expensive e-book readers available at the time. Like most e-readers, the Kobo uses an electronic ink scree...

battery tweak problems/fires/explosions

tux-linux

Let me guess... we will get wifi problems

propably not, wifi chip is untouched

@Szybet I've uploaded some more detail pictures from the chips

Kuratius

"current/in production" models are in green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_eReader

if you go to a store you usually wont find the others

are all relevant information there?

Szybet

+ make a picture of the bottom of the ereader where the button is

@mu88

tux-linux

battery tweak problems/fires/explosions

thats the battery charging chip propably too, and it is smaller / has smaller coils arround it - it will get hotter for sure

Then we will have to disable it or adapt it for this model

1:13 PM

I hope there is a way to differentiate between the two revisions from userspace

mu88

are all relevant information there?

is the revision n306 or n307 or something?

n306

that seems annoying I hope there is still a way to tell the board revision when buying

Kuratius

is the revision n306 or n307 or something?

that's the model number

Kuratius

that seems annoying I hope there is still a way to tell the board revision when buying

unless they go with n306b or n306c, probably not

is the code next to the battery a serial or a revision?

at least the bottom is the same

tux-linux

I hope there is a way to differentiate between the two revisions from userspace

charging IC

this is mine N3062B0422297 (edited)

HEY WHAT ABOUT THE KERNEL SOURCES FOR THIS THING?

ok @mu88 please stay around and don't give up on this because recent nia users will not be able to get inkbox working on their kobos otherwise (edited)

Szybet

HEY WHAT ABOUT THE KERNEL SOURCES FOR THIS THING?

kernel source police

a serial I'd say, starting with N306 followed by 9 more digits

this is mu N306290373323 (edited)

1:18 PM

one sec

this is mine serial code

same number like Kuratius

i have the oldest

i will post an issue on kobo-reader github

also a diffrent battery ( chinesium )

1:22 PM

Ok, the top of the PCB has a serial number, me and @Kuratius have 4A2 and mu88 has 4C1

1:22 PM

revisions propably

Szybet

this is mine serial code

Kuratius N3062B0422297 Mu N306290373323 Szybet N306160208647 (edited)

Kuratius

Kuratius N3062B0422297 Mu N306290373323 Szybet N306160208647 (edited)

nothing sensible from those numbers

Szybet

Ok, the top of the PCB has a serial number, me and @Kuratius have 4A2 and mu88 has 4C1

this propably

b

1:23 PM

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/127

Kobo Nia second and/or third revision kernel sources · Issue #127 ·...

Hello, We've discovered in this issue (Kobo-InkBox/inkbox#47) and in previous reports that the Kobo Nia's hardware seems to have changed over time, to the point where it is now causing InkB...

ok, @mu88 do you know how to connect the RPI?

tux-linux

.

follow this

tux-linux

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/127

delete the part about the cristal oscilator, it doesnt affect anything, i just mentioned

this is what I did in 2021 when I first connected my kobo mini to serial

tux-linux

b

?

probably

Szybet

ok, @mu88 do you know how to connect the RPI?

No

Szybet

Ok, the top of the PCB has a serial number, me and @Kuratius have 4A2 and mu88 has 4C1

well we propably need to use this naming scheme

1:25 PM

A / C

where is B

in-between model we didn't encounter yet?

mu88

No

well then follow what tux linux showed

tux-linux

in-between model we didn't encounter yet?

maybe wasn't even released - those revisions are made because of IC prices, availability - when they developed B it was already not needed or smth ( theory to explain this madness )

i updated the issue with serial numbers thing

Szybet

well then follow what tux linux showed

What did he show? I must have missed something...

tux-linux

follow this

.

tux-linux

i updated the issue with serial numbers thing

delete the part about cristall oscilator

1:29 PM

kernel sources dont have anything to do with it

1:29 PM

please

yes, but it still shows it's a different revision

1:29 PM

i already said it was not that relevant

OK

if we can get around the power button issue it can probably work with the current kernel but would be better to have real sources for battery and the rest

1:31 PM

this also means that ipd will make the reader go to sleep as soon as it can (probably) (edited)

1:31 PM

so, got to fix that as well

So do you want me to connect my Kobo with the Raspi? If yes, please let me know what I've to do - in this discussion so far I only see the newly created GitHub issue

Did you see my message I shared that was back in 2021?

There is no message...

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/809205711778480162/811764730938654742

tux-linux

this also means that ipd will make the reader go to sleep as soon as it can (probably) (edited)

what why

because it wants to go in diagnostics as soon as it boots up?

1:34 PM

diagnostics require power button input

oh, propably yep

so I assume it's behaving like it's always pressed

tux-linux

so I assume it's behaving like it's always pressed

WEIRD?

kernel

kernel level problems propably

b

are the factory devicetrees identical?

1:35 PM

of these kobo nias?

tux-linux

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/809205711778480162/811764730938654742

That wasn't there before, I'll check...

so I would like to see the dumps of them

tux-linux

so I assume it's behaving like it's always pressed

@andi propably not

szybet, at what sector does your unpartitioned space finish

1:36 PM

i.e. at what sector does p1 start

um... idk?

1:36 PM

wait

1:37 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/1095426950811619418/1095431408601800745

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

1:37 PM

/dev/nbd0p1 49152 79871 30720 15M 83 Linux

@andi later... first uart

yes, ok

1:40 PM

but I think it would be helpful to have all three devicetrees dumped

mine too?

would be better

well okay, i will do it someday

well, it is just a two-liner

Szybet

/dev/nbd0p1 49152 79871 30720 15M 83 Linux

@mu88 please run this and send file dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=49151 | xz > u_space.xz

to have that dumped

tux-linux

@mu88 please run this and send file dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=49151 | xz > u_space.xz

well first serial

ok

Okay, here's what I did (according to the GPIO specs: 1. Connected pin 6 from the Raspi with the GND symbol of the Kobo

how do you connect it?

2. Connected pin 10 from the Raspi with Tx of the Kobo

1:47 PM

Jumper wires

stop

1:47 PM

wait

1:48 PM

please show me pictures of those connections

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/47#issuecomment-1519045768

Kobo Nia: diagnostics mode on installation · Issue #47 · Kobo-InkB...

Hi

I've flashed the storage of my Kobo Nia, everything worked smoothly. When turning the device on for the first time and since then, I always end up in inkbox Diagnostics and Recovery - it ...

disconnect

1:49 PM

get some tape ( any )

1:50 PM

and put it under the pcb, under the holes

did you put kobo tx > rpi rx kobo rx > rpi tx

to avoid shorts

Szybet

get some tape ( any )

like 2 layers, do you understand everything? (edited)

1:50 PM

+ always connect ground first

Tape is placed on the Kobo side underneath the tx/rx/GND part

?

1:52 PM

send pictures

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/47#issuecomment-1519047341

Kobo Nia: diagnostics mode on installation · Issue #47 · Kobo-InkB...

Hi

I've flashed the storage of my Kobo Nia, everything worked smoothly. When turning the device on for the first time and since then, I always end up in inkbox Diagnostics and Recovery - it ...

yep, like that. make sure its under the holes and you can proceed

It is, doublechecked

now connect it like tux suggested (tx(Kobo) with rx(RPi) and rx(Kobo) with tx(RPi)? Or with the dedicated GND pin on both the RPi and Kobo side?

first gnd

1:57 PM

then like tux mentioned

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/47#issuecomment-1519048956

Kobo Nia: diagnostics mode on installation · Issue #47 · Kobo-InkB...

Hi

I've flashed the storage of my Kobo Nia, everything worked smoothly. When turning the device on for the first time and since then, I always end up in inkbox Diagnostics and Recovery - it ...

Disconnect

2:00 PM

now

2:00 PM

not to the V ping

2:01 PM

the red cable

2:01 PM

no

!!!!!!!

done

2:03 PM

you mentioned the command dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=49151 | xz > u_space.xz. However, /dev/mmcblk0 seems to be my RPi's MicroSD card since it has a size of 32 GB

well, not that one

2:03 PM

the kobo one

2:03 PM

but try to boot it and get serial log first

2:03 PM

if you have display_debug enabled, first disable it

Szybet

to avoid shorts

that may explain why my serial port sometimes doesnt work

2:04 PM

lol

XD

you don't connect ground?

why didn't you asked for guidance

@tux-linux display_debug is enabled, now a "normal" reboot from the diagnostics mode?

mu88

@tux-linux display_debug is enabled, now a "normal" reboot from the diagnostics mode?

disable it and turn it off

mu88

@tux-linux display_debug is enabled, now a "normal" reboot from the diagnostics mode?

yes

holding the power button for only a couple of seconds or ten seconds? And what should behavior should I observe?

on your rpi run minicom -D /dev/ttyS0 -b 115200 -w

2:08 PM

you should see something appearing on the screen as the kobo boots

-bash: minicom: command not found - do I have to install some package?

install it, yes

Szybet

Ok, the top of the PCB has a serial number, me and @Kuratius have 4A2 and mu88 has 4C1

ok, so you and Kuratius have the same board

mu88

-bash: minicom: command not found - do I have to install some package?

I had to enable serial port in rpi config I think

so basically the only interesting then is the pre-partion spaces at mu88's Nia (which includes the devicetree)

also I am reading serial0 I think

2:13 PM

(also obv minicom has to be installed)

minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory

rpi config enable serial port

sudo raspi-config

2:19 PM

interfacing options

done, do I have to reboot into diagnostics again? After enabling the serial port, the output is still minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory

minicom -D /dev/serial0 (edited)

minicom: cannot open /dev/serial0: No such file or directory

sec

2:22 PM

reboot then sudo minicom -D /dev/serial0

2:22 PM

are you on raspberry piOS?

reboot RPi or Kobo?

rpi

Kuratius

are you on raspberry piOS?

Yes

2:24 PM

oh now something happens! (edited)

2:24 PM

A new minicom shell opened and some extremely indented output is shown

2:25 PM

and it updates from time to time (every 10 seconds I'd say)

2:26 PM

and the Kobo is still in diagnostics mode

ctrl+A then L

2:27 PM

should allow you to save the log

Kuratius

reboot then sudo minicom -D /dev/serial0

ttyS0

2:28 PM

It isn't there?

now it is there as well

2:30 PM

Okay, I've entered sudo minicom -D /dev/ttyS0 -b 115200 -w, the shell opened with the output, and I've redirected it via CTRL+A+L to a file.

2:30 PM

The minicom shell is still open

that's fine

showing output like Welcome to inkbox

2:31 PM

or inkbox login:

post log file

can I end the minicom session via CTRL+A+J?

@mu88 do you have a copy of the original sd card software?

mu88

can I end the minicom session via CTRL+A+J?

ctrl + A + Q

A created an image with Win32 disk imager before flashing InkBox for the very first time, yes

2:33 PM

minicom_tty.cap

516.99 KB

mu88

A created an image with Win32 disk imager before flashing InkBox for the very first time, yes

good

and that's the output from the minicom -D /dev/ttyS0 -b 115200 -w

try to log in

where?

why is it repeating itself?

in minicom

2:35 PM

write root

2:35 PM

and enter

2:35 PM

password root

ah have to open a new session

2:36 PM

when opening a new session, the only output is [ 519.74904] imx-uart 202000.serial: x FIFO overrun

try to spam enter

Szybet

try to spam enter

(hold down during boot)

from the output I'd say that there is some kind of infinite loop, because I'm constantly seeing a Welcome to InkBox and InkBox login, changing in a very rapid manner so that I cannot even enter something

is it spammed at all time?

yes

bad

2:40 PM

try to turn off and on the device by the power button

could this be related to only connecting ground and 1 connection?

you dont have the connection for sending right?

2:41 PM

only receiving?

sorry, I don't know what you mean

did you connect 2 or 3 cables?

3

ah k

he has 3, its fine

your image from before was 2

Bad connections

Szybet

try to turn off and on the device by the power button

do this

Probably

keeping it pressed for ten seconds like with diagnostics mode?

for more

2:42 PM

then turn it on

I removed all cables, turned off via diagnostic mode, readded all cables, pushed the power button for four seconds (the Kobo still displays Powered off afterwards) and connected via minicom -D /dev/ttyS0 -b 115200 -w - the session opens, but this time nothing changes: (edited)

mu88

I removed all cables, turned off via diagnostic mode, readded all cables, pushed the power button for four seconds (the Kobo still displays Powered off afterwards) and connected via minicom -D /dev/ttyS0 -b 115200 -w - the session opens, but this time nothing changes: (edited)

stay connected during boot

2:51 PM

serial port is weird

2:52 PM

you can also tell via the light at the power button if it's on

Kuratius

stay connected during boot

you mean the minicom session must be opened before pushing the power button?

mu88

you mean the minicom session must be opened before pushing the power button?

yes

2:52 PM

no idea why

Kuratius

you can also tell via the light at the power button if it's on

The button is always off, except in diagnostics mode - if have absolutely no visual feedback

idk serial ports are weird

2:53 PM

I think it turns itself off or something

mu88

The button is always off, except in diagnostics mode - if have absolutely no visual feedback

that means it does something, then turns itself off

2:53 PM

so if minicom wasnt running before it turned off you wont get anything

and shall I boot "normally" (i. e. push power button for three or four seconds) or into diagnostics?

libra2e sources seem to include stuff for newer version of nia

andi

libra2e sources seem to include stuff for newer version of nia

w h a t

I would expect that the old nia also does run with those sources

I tried both and when booting "normally", simply nothing happens both visually on the Kobo and inside minicom. Only when booting into diagnostics, the power button's LED lights up for a couple of moments and I see the infinite output in minicom

mu88

and shall I boot "normally" (i. e. push power button for three or four seconds) or into diagnostics?

normally

mu88

I tried both and when booting "normally", simply nothing happens both visually on the Kobo and inside minicom. Only when booting into diagnostics, the power button's LED lights up for a couple of moments and I see the infinite output in minicom

try to move the connection a bit

I'll grab a cup of coffee and will come back later

sorry, not libra2e

3:03 PM

clara2e

3:05 PM

so whaht are the impacts of running an old kernel on the nia

3:05 PM

on the new nia

3:05 PM

regulators are left at their boot up stage

3:05 PM

probably no proper power off

3:05 PM

by shutdown

O.O

no battery status

andi

libra2e sources seem to include stuff for newer version of nia

so which ones?

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/raw/master/hw/imx6sll-clara2e/kernel.tar.bz2

3:06 PM

those

um so a new kernel?

yes

how do you know its for nia?

can you confirm the replacement Ic for the rc5t619?

?

what is it?

the small one?

3:07 PM

new?

yes

3:08 PM

i cannot read it on the pictures

3:08 PM

BD71828 or BD71815?

well @mu88

Szybet

how do you know its for nia?

I looked what is in it: it has the devicetree for the old nia

3:21 PM

and a similar named devicetree

similar - how similar

3:21 PM

i dont really have access to pc now

ndi@aktux:~/kobo/clara2e/kernel/arch/arm/boot/dts$ ls -l imx6ull-e60u22* -rw-r--r-- 1 andi andi 24349 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22a00-base.dts -rwxr-xr-x 1 andi andi 24344 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22a00-base-elan-eKTF2536BW.dts -rw-r--r-- 1 andi andi 3079 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22a00.dts -rwxr-xr-x 1 andi andi 3095 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22a00-elan-eKTF2536BW.dts -rw-r--r-- 1 andi andi 24554 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22a10-base.dts -rw-r--r-- 1 andi andi 3110 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22a10.dts -rwxr-xr-x 1 andi andi 24534 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22b00-base.dts -rwxr-xr-x 1 andi andi 3110 Jan 10 20:28 imx6ull-e60u22b00.dts

3:22 PM

imx6ull-e60u22a10.dts (including -base) is for the old nia

3:23 PM

and then there is b now

3:23 PM

the e60u22b00* stuff

3:24 PM

and there is now a driver for the bd71828.c

so thats propably for it?

yes

why B is for C

probably for B and C

3:25 PM

lets just compare the binary devicetree

3:26 PM

the pre-partition space

Okay guys, I'm back, but I'll have to leave in one hour and will be on vacation for three weeks. So I'm happy to help as far as I can, but maybe we should focus so that you can get the most information "out of me" in the next hour

mu88

Okay guys, I'm back, but I'll have to leave in one hour and will be on vacation for three weeks. So I'm happy to help as far as I can, but maybe we should focus so that you can get the most information "out of me" in the next hour

upload a backup of your SD

yea, pretty much this

the original firmware? Or the current state of my Kobo?

original SD card

okay, sure... do you have a spot very I can upload it?

try google drive?

just create a random mega account

or that

dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 status=progress | xz > kobo-nia-4C1.img.xz

4:02 PM

upload the xz file

4:02 PM

will be smaller

4:03 PM

~500M vs 8G

(mmcblk0 being the kobo's sd card device node)

but that will be the InkBox firmware, not the original one...

did you backup

we need the original one

did you backup

4:06 PM

did you backup

I wrote that I created an image of the original firmware, but I've used the same SD card

what? (edited)

the original image has a size of 15 GB as I wrote earlier

well, just the first 50MB (edited)

mu88

the original image has a size of 15 GB as I wrote earlier

can still compress and upload (edited)

would be nice

Kuratius

can still compress and upload (edited)

yes

andi

well, just the first 50MB (edited)

or that

on my way...

1

and you can even compress that

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmZ-svqzPPkKr1Qf96KZcIIL2uod?e=yLQiTp

InkBox

Folder

4:16 PM

thankfully the image contains a lot of empty blocks since I dumped the complete SD card

4:16 PM

can you please download it and let me know when you've finished so that I can remove the file again?

im downloading it

4:17 PM

can you give a md5sum of the file?

Get-FileHash .\kobo-nia.img -Algorithm MD5
Algorithm       Hash                                                                   Path
---------       ----                                                                   ----
MD5             9F257E8FB38B52A99C893AB2BBB0C70C                                       C:\temp\kobo-nia.img

Get-FileHash .\kobo-nia.7z -Algorithm MD5
Algorithm       Hash                                                                   Path
---------       ----                                                                   ----
MD5             004ACB4A5E75F772EB6AF5ECC077111B                                       C:\temp\kobo-nia.7z

thanks

sure!

4:23 PM

thank you so far, guys!

4:23 PM

Just as a little outlook: are you confident that InkBox will work on my device?

diagnostics was never tested on the nia - but it booted on your device and it works - thats a miracle

4:24 PM

so yes, it will work, with almost no problems to get it to

cool, that's great news!

4:26 PM

I'll keep an eye on "my" GitHub issue from time to time - I assume you'll post any relevant news for me there, right?

please come back in three weeks

1

we only have to check the device tree with andi tool - and thats all we can do alone

tux-linux

please come back in three weeks

I think my employer forces me to do so ^^

1

90% of the people who come here stay around for a few days and then disappear forever, kinda

well, here may be relative in my case, but you can always ping me on GitHub

nah

4:30 PM

we won't bother people if they don't want

4:30 PM

just look

4:31 PM

@atro @shwanzy where are you

4:31 PM

XD

4:31 PM

they said that they will do x thing

4:31 PM

now they are gone (edited)

4:31 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4:31 PM

sorry for pinging, just as example btw

4:36 PM

downloaded the image, its available here

4:36 PM

http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/misc/

Whom do you mean?

?

Shall I download something from your posted link?

no, you can delete from onedrive

1

okay guys, thank you for your help so far. I wish you a great time and good luck!

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@@ -1730,8 +1730,4 @@ ntx_led { compatible = "ntx_led"; };

- ntx_event0 {
compatible = "ntx_event0";
}; };

andi@aktux:~/kobo/clara2e/kernel/arch/arm/boot/dts$

5:13 PM

the only difference

the changed event0 to led?

!?

so, that is some ntx hack

ntx_led { compatible = "ntx_led"; }; /ntx_event0 { compatible = "ntx_event0"; };/

5:15 PM

that is from the kernel

5:17 PM

MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Netronix event0 key driver");

5:19 PM

so in the clara2e source, just the commented out ntx_event0 has to be commented in and the b00 devicetree is the same as in the binary

how do they know when updating things which one is which?>

I would guess that let the devicetree in place

5:23 PM

and just copy over the kernel

but the kernel is diffrent

the newer kernel should just work on the older device

this is horrible for inkbox

the other way round, it is different

5:26 PM

what probably needs to be changed is paths for battery status (or even better, scan the directory /sys/class_power_supply)

so we just need to replace the dtb?

+ update kernel

probably take the original stuff before first partition

+ tell users to not fuck up choosing the image

nia-c.dtb

39.4 KB

5:31 PM

that is the dtb

great

5:31 PM

well, thanks for finding out

5:32 PM

now we wait three weeks to test it

Szybet

@NiLuJe propably too as a koreader developer, look at this madness :D

Yeah, there are different HW revisions on the Nia, FWIW (that's true of basically all the current lineup, too)

6:31 PM

Most common visible change being a different PMIC

6:31 PM

(Which explains your power button issue, it gets shafted to a dedicated input device instead of the synthetic NTX event0)

6:32 PM

https://github.com/koreader/koreader/blob/60849aed12375fdbc16f19fc9929179d2811ed97/frontend/device/kobo/device.lua#L644-L652

koreader/device.lua at 60849aed12375fdbc16f19fc9929179d2811ed97 · k...

An ebook reader application supporting PDF, DjVu, EPUB, FB2 and many more formats, running on Cervantes, Kindle, Kobo, PocketBook and Android devices - koreader/device.lua at 60849aed12375fdbc16f19...

6:32 PM

I'm aware of it for the Nia, but was waiting for more details to implement it (https://github.com/koreader/koreader/pull/9591)

Kobo: Enable power/sleep button support for Nia by 3to8-decoder · P...

see my bug-report/issue: #9590 This change is

6:34 PM

Can be discriminated via NTX HWConfig blob data, FWIW; but easier to just auto-detect

6:37 PM

TL;DR: Get me the output of ls -lash /dev/input/by-path on that board on a stock kernel ;o)

in 3 weeks ;p

And you guys probably have a logic issue somewhere there, because it should behave as if no power button events at all are observed, NOT being stuck with a power press?

yep

Then again, wrong kernel/dtb probably didn't help, so, who knows...

tux-linux

90% of the people who come here stay around for a few days and then disappear forever, kinda

just for the record, I'm a bit busy for one or two additional weeks with work. then, I'll undisappear. (edited)

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@NiLuJe any update on the japanese book I sent you?

Hmm send it me too, if there is a reasonable way to make it work i will so when redesigning the reader (edited)

done

10:22 AM

wait you already had it

10:22 AM

lol

10:24 AM

(also not supprting vertical text isnt that big of an issue if the horizontal text is formatted correctly & it doesnt take 20 min to open a book or change font sizes) (edited)

Kuratius

(also not supprting vertical text isnt that big of an issue if the horizontal text is formatted correctly & it doesnt take 20 min to open a book or change font sizes) (edited)

(it does take 20 minutes to open the book or change font sizes on koreader, on plato it opens instantly but it doesnt format ruby text correctly)

11:04 AM

what I'm trying to say it, try to open books at a reasonable speed, and try to get correct formatting before trying to get vertical text

Kuratius

@NiLuJe any update on the japanese book I sent you?

Oops. Had completely forgot about it :D. (Our engine wizard was on vacation at the time, and then I built a new computer and forgot about everything else :D)

6:36 PM

Lemme dig up in my backups, i'll send it rn

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10:07 PM

Welcome to the InkBox OS community. We're happy to have you here and hope you're settling in nicely. As a new member, we'd love to know a little bit about what brought you to our community. Is there anything in particular you're interested in or looking to learn more about while you're here?

10:07 PM

i'm not a bot don't ignore me

Szybet

i'm not a bot don't ignore me

kekw

when I try flashing the image for kobo mini to sd card i get this error, what do I do?

10:51 PM

even when i open as admin

San

when I try flashing the image for kobo mini to sd card i get this error, what do I do?

is this windows?

yes

San

when I try flashing the image for kobo mini to sd card i get this error, what do I do?

Run as admin

did you run the integrity check or abort it?

Probably

10:52 PM

"User did not grant permission"

he said he ran it as admin

Oh ok

10:53 PM

Then idk

10:53 PM

What's the image's size

its 896mb the sd card is 32gb

10:54 PM

and the sd card is brand new too

10:56 PM

brb i gotta go somewhere, see u later

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maybe the antivirus is blocking balena etcher in some way? (edited)

10:59 PM

or you accidentally tried to flash your harddrive instead of the sd card

@Szybet can you tell me the offset for the waveform ?

11:18 PM

I'll copy it and upload it

https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/2334/diffs?commit_id=b1d88b7bf088ea5e3544d891fd92396fa87aeb9f#f4e8fd9cfc74aeeab5b5b770ce7184da8a177343

kobo-clara: new device (Kobo Clara HD) (!2334) · Merge requests · p...

Hi, this adds support for the Kobo Clara HD ereader. It includes both the vendor kernel and the mainline kernel with...

11:26 PM

0x700000?...

11:29 PM

https://misc.andi.de1.cc/kobo/

11:29 PM

yep

11:29 PM

0x700000: waveform (prepended with length header), required by the epd

Kuratius

or you accidentally tried to flash your harddrive instead of the sd card

nm i got it to flash with raspberry pi imager

1

Szybet

0x700000: waveform (prepended with length header), required by the epd

is this right? (I copied with dd if=koboBackup.img of=BIOS+WAVEFORM.img count=49152 )

BIOSWAVEFORM.img

24 MB

If thats how a waveform looks, then yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/130ubca/psa_if_you_use_devuan_check_your_root_password/

2.51 KB

6:38 PM

cursed discord formatting

6:39 PM

can i include this file in me repo next to my waveform? i will delete the ID from it

Szybet

can i include this file in me repo next to my waveform? i will delete the ID from it

delete any identifying information if you can, idk if this still contains anything tying it to me What do you mean by id? Serial number?

Kuratius

delete any identifying information if you can, idk if this still contains anything tying it to me What do you mean by id? Serial number?

only from what i know of, it's the serial number

6:46 PM

at the beggining

6:47 PM

it could be tied of who bought the ereader, which store etc

then sure, just mention where you modified it with a placeholder

funny part: if you modify it then the default os will show it, i created an image where is says szybets image or something like that and its visible in settings :D

noice

6:48 PM

anyway, prob fine to include it in the repo after stripping the serial (edited)

6:49 PM

any interesting differences compared to your image?

6:49 PM

also is the waveform actually different?

im not an expert, and its mostly binary

Kuratius

also is the waveform actually different?

i will check later

ordered the eink screen needed for the openBook thingy

;o

6:51 PM

well are you aware that the software will be crap?

ya

cool

just curious about it really

6:54 PM

if I was serious about using it as an ereader and not just a toy I'd probably have to implement something that streams the framebuffer to the pico via wifi, so it's not out of the question to sidestep the software issue, but it wouldnt really be an ereader anymore, it'd be a shitty external phone screen

6:55 PM

also for now I'll just try if it's possible to use the screen via gpio

r/linux - PSA: If you use Devuan, check your root password

0 votes and 13 comments so far on Reddit

7:58 PM

Devuan has always been nothing more than the manifestation of a collective tantrum, thrown by people who dislike or don't understand systemd.

7:58 PM

lol

I cant get the sd card out of a new kobo

10:46 AM

any ideas?

10:52 AM

well got it

10:52 AM

still, it was there really stuck

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no one answers my welcome messages

9:24 PM

so

9:24 PM

welcome

you welcome me again

yes i recognise your avatar

9:24 PM

who were you

i popped in a while ago when i wanted to test inkbox

9:25 PM

and it had some weird bugs and 2 of you was arguing

9:25 PM

XD

about what

oh it was a way to do something

9:26 PM

i think to fix a tearing issue

well what were those bugs

one was opening up an interface didnt re-draw the screen so it was not possible to see the screen

okay

9:28 PM

well

RDF300

one was opening up an interface didnt re-draw the screen so it was not possible to see the screen

file an issue on github, maybe a "option" to fix how eink behaves could be added

i found it in the end,

9:31 PM

so it was back in 1.5 days, where i was suggesting about a smaller sd card image

9:34 PM

yea it was about ui scales

okay

RDF300

you welcome me again

isn't it the third time? ;p (edited)

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Hello

HELLO THERE

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Hello

8:42 PM

You again?

Queam of Wheat

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Well i dont recognise him

8:51 PM

HELLO THERE

welcome

already left

9:02 PM

these are bots

yup

tux-linux

isn't it the third time? ;p (edited)

no just the second

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you are a bot

2:05 PM

because you wan't answer hello

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hello

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or just

2:05 PM

HELLO THERE

hello

dhether

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2:34 PM

Hello

oh you are not a bot

2:38 PM

well then

2:38 PM

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

Bot not

so

2:56 PM

Welcome to the InkBox OS community. We're happy to have you here and hope you're settling in nicely. As a new member, we'd love to know a little bit about what brought you to our community. Is there anything in particular you're interested in or looking to learn more about while you're here?

Just started using inbox for old kobo glo HD and thought I'd check out the forum, thanks!

Also I just wanted to peek in to say I’m still here, but this is definitely a project beyond my current skill set, although I’m trying to find where I can be useful I want to work, test or contribute down the line , but if there’s a donation portal as well for some of the developers I’d be happy to chip in there.

Reporting bugs, suggesting UI changes, helping new users, sharing opinion on features - everything would be helpfull

3:03 PM

testing too, but compiling everything can be painfull

3:04 PM

tux-linux as the main developer has a librera pay account

1

3:06 PM

me not really, I trust tux-linux that he will share or smth, but for now its not even profitable to transfet the money - paypal would eat more from transit that i got from these cents ;p (edited)

boys

9:11 PM

I got the thing

9:11 PM

what thing

kobo glo hd

good

btw this server could benefit with some emotes

9:12 PM

that would be noice

um

9:12 PM

um

9:12 PM

no

9:13 PM

this costs money

9:13 PM

or does it?

up until 50 its free (edited)

@tux-linux give me permissions for emotes

9:13 PM

i will add a few

you could add some chad faces

9:13 PM

we need them

i have frogs

also gud

9:14 PM

pepe's?

yep

lets goo

you said you are willing to learn

9:16 PM

well how much

well

9:17 PM

as much as I can I think

first update to dev version

Dominiac

as much as I can I think

I like this thinking

9:18 PM

finally someone not* saying i c a n t l e a r n c o d i n g i t s h a r d : ( ( ( ( (edited)

edited message

9:19 PM

:D

I'm installing the think

9:19 PM

rn

9:20 PM

ok so

9:20 PM

just to make sure

9:20 PM

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/

http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n437/inkbox-1.9-n437.xz

I get the image from here is it?

9:20 PM

ha thx

9:20 PM

xd

ok I flashed the sd card

9:36 PM

is there a video on how to crack open the device?

not really propably

9:37 PM

do you have one of these?

@tux-linux can give you tips ( where to start, tools, what to look for ( where the flex cable is, to avoid it etc ))

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ifixit ❤️

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

were you able to open the nia with that tool?

Szybet

were you able to open the nia with that tool?

yeah

Kuratius

yeah

well i dont

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i got one of this

looks scary

yhea

Szybet

well i dont

i nneded this

Dominiac

i got one of this

um maybe no

hum

Szybet

well i dont

I just put it inside the seam and unlatched the plastic latches one by one

Kuratius

I just put it inside the seam and unlatched the plastic latches one by one

yea i know, i wasnt able

is the thingy dull for you?

9:40 PM

might be not sharp enough

9:41 PM

I mean the tip might be too large from usage

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

this

9:41 PM

or exacto

9:41 PM

knife

9:41 PM

smth

if i wouldn't have ifixit i would use the non sharp blade of a wallpaper knife

there might be a way to use a plastic ruler or a credit card too, come to think of it

yep

9:43 PM

try and error

also got this

9:43 PM

maybe try plastic tools first

I dont really have smth dull I think

if you use metal you might just slice off the plastic latches instead of unlocking them

Kuratius

maybe try plastic tools first

yrp, this

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ok I could 3d print something like this

9:45 PM

have you ever tried?

I don't own a 3d printer and I dunno if the tip can be 3d printed well enough

9:46 PM

you can try if you want but these thingies are super cheap anyway

9:46 PM

2-3 € I think on amazon

Dominiac

i got one of this

ok I'll risk it with this tool, its kinda dull so it should not damage much

9:48 PM

you guys know where are the latches?

9:48 PM

more on the corner or on the center?

propably start from the up

9:49 PM

avoid usb port

got it

idk where the flex cable is

Dominiac

ok I could 3d print something like this

nope, the tip wouldn't be good

roger

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Original-Plastic-Scratch-Free-Electronic-Enclosures/dp/B072QLCN4T/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_2_1/260-4331796-2681342?pd_rd_w=qbmgb&content-id=amzn1.sym.0d001520-14f3-4c0a-87f2-5f7ae9f5cd8e&pf_rd_p=0d001520-14f3-4c0a-87f2-5f7ae9f5cd8e&pf_rd_r=B3XK666K93YD3M22QQAG&pd_rd_wg=8uSiQ&pd_rd_r=a70d881e-226b-438b-8149-04ed8e978842&pd_rd_i=B072QLCN4T&psc=1

iFixit Original Soft Plastic Opening Tools Set of 5 for Scratch-Fre...

iFixit Original Opening Tools Set of 5 Soft Plastic Scratch Free Pry Electronic Device Enclosure

9:59 PM

ok I did it

Kuratius

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Original-Plastic-Scratch-Free-Electronic-Enclosures/dp/B072QLCN4T/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_2_1/260-4331796-2681342?pd_rd_w=qbmgb&content-id=amzn1.sym.0d001520-14f3-4c0a-87f2-5f7ae9f5cd8e&pf_rd_p=0d001520-14f3-4c0a-87f2-5f7ae9f5cd8e&pf_rd_r=B3XK666K93YD3M22QQAG&pd_rd_wg=8uSiQ&pd_rd_r=a70d881e-226b-438b-8149-04ed8e978842&pd_rd_i=B072QLCN4T&psc=1

ye better get one of these

10:00 PM

alright

10:00 PM

so now I just replace the sd cart

10:00 PM

it it?

is it

10:05 PM

oh hell yeah

do you have a linux machine

yes

10:05 PM

my main machine

arent we all?

10:06 PM

:D

10:07 PM

well a channel for "teaching" would be helpfull, @tux-linux spamming dev is not a good idea

Dominiac

so now I just replace the sd cart

one thing you could consider for later if you want optimal image quality, the inkbox images copy the waveform from someone else's device, but they're technically custom for each device so make a backup of the original sd card so you can overwrite the waveform on the inkbox image later

nah its propably good

shrugs

if you won't notice diffrence, then well

10:09 PM

but a backup always good

Kuratius

one thing you could consider for later if you want optimal image quality, the inkbox images copy the waveform from someone else's device, but they're technically custom for each device so make a backup of the original sd card so you can overwrite the waveform on the inkbox image later

well I'm afraid I have no idea what are you talking about xd

10:11 PM

whats the wave form

Dominiac

whats the wave form

just a screen calibration for eink screens

haa I see

basically telling it how to refresh the screen for optimal contrast and sharpness

got it

10:12 PM

how do I make it ''custom''

10:12 PM

for mine

10:12 PM

or maybe I should worry about that later?

there is some unpartitioned space on the sd card where you can copy it, but like I said you can also worry about it later

10:13 PM

the unpartitioned space has the waveform in the same location on both inkbox and the original image, so you can use dd if you know the offset (edited)

gotcha

10:14 PM

found the first bug?

wot

Dominiac

gotcha

only thing you should do now is just backup the sd card, rest can be later

Dominiac

Click to see attachment 🖼️

anything other happens?

prob dd if=/dev/sdCard of=koboBackup.img bs=512 and then wait a while I cant remember if this dd command needs sudo

10:16 PM

prob add the progress option too

Szybet

anything other happens?

not really? I just got into the apps panel

Kuratius

prob add the progress option too

roger roger

Dominiac

not really? I just got into the apps panel

but before it it was fine?

yea I think so

notyhing more happens?

everything was good looking

10:18 PM

nop

try ti reproduce it

10:18 PM

power button hold for long idk 15s and then turn it on

if I click on the pwer button it sleeps

click it for longer

ha there u go

10:21 PM

it worked

try to reproduce it

1s

10:23 PM

its taking its time

huh

10:31 PM

now it didnt reproduce

10:31 PM

strange

well we hope either it won't happen again or if it happens you will be able to fix it at this point

yes

from where did you got the glo btw?

10:35 PM

website, used?

cex

10:35 PM

from england

10:36 PM

I asked a friend to buy me there because I didnt have it in my country

cool

and then when they came over I got the reader

very cool

noob question: how do I connect to the computer?

10:37 PM

xd

with a usb cable

10:37 PM

or wifi ssh if you root it

it does not apear on my system

10:37 PM

2s

10:38 PM

nvm fixed it (edited)

Kuratius

prob dd if=/dev/sdCard of=koboBackup.img bs=512 and then wait a while I cant remember if this dd command needs sudo

how do I back up the sd card?

10:40 PM

do I cd into the device and then use the commands?

gnome disk tool

10:40 PM

:D

Dominiac

do I cd into the device and then use the commands?

sudo fdisk -l would tell you where the sd card is

10:41 PM

but you can also do what szybet recommended and use a disk backup tool

10:41 PM

you do not need cd

10:41 PM

it'd be bad to use cd bc you'd end up writing the image to the sd card

10:41 PM

(that's bad)

got it kekw

there's probably an argument to be made that using raw dd commands is the easiest way to accidentally overwrite your own drive and as such a diskbackup tool is safer

Kuratius

prob dd if=/dev/sdCard of=koboBackup.img bs=512 and then wait a while I cant remember if this dd command needs sudo

for clarification, of=filename is where it will try to write the image, if it's not an absolute path it will create the image in the current directory

10:49 PM

so if the current directory is the sd card, you're writing to the sd card while copying it

yes

10:49 PM

what bs stand for? (edited)

block size

10:50 PM

you can also omit it I think the default is 512 anyway

10:50 PM

and I think using it doesnt change the image, just how quickly or slowly the image is copied

10:51 PM

status=progress would add a progress bar

10:51 PM

type "man dd" to see a help page (edited)

Dominiac

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Something thinks its drawing to an 8bpp fb while the fb is actually @ 32bpp (edited)

it happened only once

10:53 PM

cant replicate eassly

10:53 PM

any ideas?

You'd have to have switched the fb to 32bpp somehow, to begin with

10:53 PM

As the bootup state is 16bpp (edited)

10:54 PM

So I'd start looking at what can actually do that

ereader wasnt shutdown correctly before removing sd card maybe?

10:55 PM

as in original sd card

Not possible

NiLuJe

As the bootup state is 16bpp (edited)

Because this

10:56 PM

But, in any other non-full conversion scenarios, yeah, my best guess would have been you caught Nickel's startup sequence

10:57 PM

(As, on a stock firmware, the fb state goes from bootup state, to pickel state for the boot anim, to Nickel's state; and the first and only 32bpp state is Nickel's)

well I changed the font size on the first setup

11:01 PM

maybe it had something to do with it?

11:01 PM

after I rebooted it went away tho

nope

Kuratius

type "man dd" to see a help page (edited)

╰─ sudo dd if=/dev/sdd of=koboBackup.img ─╯ dd: error reading '/dev/sdd': Input/output error 1064+0 records in 1064+0 records out 544768 bytes (545 kB, 532 KiB) copied, 0,287174 s, 1,9 MB/s

11:02 PM

was that successfull?

11:03 PM

it gave me a error but it still created the image

maybe

11:05 PM

40% i would give it

Dominiac

╰─ sudo dd if=/dev/sdd of=koboBackup.img ─╯ dd: error reading '/dev/sdd': Input/output error 1064+0 records in 1064+0 records out 544768 bytes (545 kB, 532 KiB) copied, 0,287174 s, 1,9 MB/s

what sd card reader are you using?

11:08 PM

could be an issue with that

maybe

11:11 PM

try gnome disks

11:11 PM

nvm I'm a brainlet

11:12 PM

was tring to backup with the device on instead of taking the card out

11:12 PM

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Dominiac

was tring to backup with the device on instead of taking the card out

I figured something like that

why does it take so long to boot

because xorg propably

11:38 PM

and we don't care about it, let everything load and then be fast

11:38 PM

and security and friends

Szybet

because xorg propably

yes

11:38 PM

b

I see I see

is wayland stuff usable and worth using on ereaders?

11:41 PM

or is it too complicated to set up?

propably too heavy

11:42 PM

propably no support

11:42 PM

propably couldn't run if not mainline kernel

I thought wayland was supposed to be faster and less buggy than xorg

i'm just quessing

the kernel argument prob applies to inkbox, yeah

11:43 PM

though with inkbox you only need org for x11 aps right? everything else is qt?

for all those old apps you would need to run xwayland which would be heavier for sure

Kuratius

though with inkbox you only need org for x11 aps right? everything else is qt?

11:44 PM

there is also plato ( rust native ) (edited)

11:44 PM

and native fbink

11:44 PM

but, yes

what about books

12:11 AM

how do I put them in the device

usb cable (edited)

do I create a folder and then put the pdf in it?

just put the pdfs into it

cant

12:13 AM

I wont let me

why

says the folder is empty

?

12:23 AM

was supposed to have folder inside the device was it?

no?

maybe is a permission thing?

what are you talking about

12:24 AM

just put the books inside the kobo via usb cable

Dominiac

maybe is a permission thing?

maybe try root sudo smth

it says its read only

12:29 AM

cp: cannot create regular file '/run/media/dominiac/InkBox/PDFTest.pdf': Read-only file system

12:30 AM

do I have to change something?

12:30 AM

somewhere

haa I get it

12:38 AM

I had to go into inkbox settings and enter USB Mass Storage session o let me do it

12:38 AM

if I just plug the usb its read only apparantly

o k

12:40 AM

strange

I got a new sd card and that fixed the issue

dunno man

epub's dont show images, is that by design?

7:58 PM

pdf's frezes que tablet when they show images aswell

Dominiac

epub's dont show images, is that by design?

not supported ( yet! )

Dominiac

pdf's frezes que tablet when they show images aswell

what

Szybet

what

is it supposed to show images as well?

Dominiac

is it supposed to show images as well?

in pdfs?

yes

yep

8:04 PM

you have problems?

well, yes

show

give me a 1s

8:04 PM

gonna make a quick vid

8:08 PM

just got some random books to test

8:08 PM

so dont mind the titles

8:08 PM

8:09 PM

and then it just gets stuck there

wait maybe more (edited)

8:09 PM

idk if its fixed in 2.0 (edited)

8:10 PM

well if you want to help, send ebooks / pdfs to test me to dm. I plan to redesign the reader from ground up and i'm collecting testing material

Szybet

idk if its fixed in 2.0 (edited)

how can I update to the dev version?

you finally asked :D

Dominiac

Click to see attachment 🖼️

btw cool books there

Dominiac

how can I update to the dev version?

you need to update the kernel, rootfs, gui bundle, gui rootfs.. its a lot of work

Szybet

btw cool books there

thx

are you commited enough to do it? i dont want to waste time explaining if you will give up like 95% people that joined this server

Szybet

are you commited enough to do it? i dont want to waste time explaining if you will give up like 95% people that joined this server

Yes sir

8:13 PM

just another thing before that

sorry if i'm being not polite but my english is limited and I sometimes can't explain things in a good way

worry not friend I'm in the same boat

8:14 PM

also I'm gonna ask really basic questions

8:14 PM

and being very anoyng

8:14 PM

so be prepared

nah don't worry

so my tablet has a very strange behavior

you mean kobo?

yes

8:15 PM

but I'm not sure if its because of the software

8:15 PM

or if its because its 2nd handed

8:16 PM

you see, it seems like it doesent work for too long if its not pluged into power

8:16 PM

even tho it says it has 100% charge

battery needs to be replaced

8:16 PM

costs like 10$

or use a power bank

where can I buy that battery replacement?

8:17 PM

does it come from europe?

i saw some on aliexpress

Dominiac

does it come from europe?

maybe

8:18 PM

if you are into electronics then buy a similar one and replace the cables

aliexpress is chinese stuff mainly

Szybet

if you are into electronics then buy a similar one and replace the cables

I dont trust myself that much :[

yea, li io batteries are dangerous

thats what I get for bieng a cheap bastard kek

8:20 PM

anyway

you will still be on + as of money

ye but its anoying af

8:20 PM

well

8:21 PM

how do I update to dev then

go to inkbox github organisation page

8:25 PM

and clone to your pc

8:26 PM

kernel

8:26 PM

rootfs

8:26 PM

gui-bundle

8:26 PM

gui-rootfs

8:26 PM

all these repos

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox here?

Kobo-InkBox

Kobo-InkBox has 31 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

yep

k lets go

um stop

8:30 PM

forgot to mention

8:30 PM

clone everything at this exact path:

8:30 PM

/home/build/inkbox/

8:30 PM

if you already started then copy those things there

roger

8:31 PM

huh its taking along time to clone

8:32 PM

how big is this kernel?

its a lot of data

8:32 PM

with init arround 10Mb

8:32 PM

but you are cloning it for every device

8:32 PM

and every toolchain

8:32 PM

;D

I see I see

brb gonna come back in 1h or so

8:47 PM

:[

8:48 PM

back

9:41 PM

what now

enter kernel dir

9:42 PM

um and look for #porting clara thread of how to replace the keys in the kernel

9:43 PM

use search function

https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md is this is? (edited)

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/imgtool/blob/49501458569a476d4e73468989795b05100c059b/release.bash#L118

Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes. Contribute to aartoni/n249 development by creating an account on GitHub.

oh this

9:48 PM

yes

9:48 PM

look at this

9:48 PM

cool guide

btw what are this keys used for

9:48 PM

why do we need them

veryfication that the software is official

9:49 PM

only we can sign updates that the system will accept

9:49 PM

you are replacing them so you can update it

9:50 PM

if the update server would be hacked, it's impossible to push a harmfull update because of this

hum I see

9:51 PM

so to make sure:

if you would make contributions to inkbox, we would share the key with you so you can more eassly test stuff etc

Dominiac

so to make sure:

is this what I should do now?

Dominiac

so to make sure:

not exactly, it's not your model

9:52 PM

its for the clara and you have the glo

9:52 PM

there is a directory for the glo, diffrent number

ha yes besides that

9:53 PM

so I chance the path to my model

bedides that, yes

roger

9:57 PM

whats going on

9:58 PM

ha wait

9:59 PM

yh thats right

9:59 PM

there is not public.pem do copy

welp we skipped rootfs

10:03 PM

openssl genrsa -out private.pem 2048
openssl rsa -in private.pem -out public.pem -outform PEM -pubout
openssl dgst -sha256 -sign private.pem -out rootfs.squashfs.dgst rootfs.squashfs

oh right

10:06 PM

10:07 PM

miss this?

Dominiac

oh right

without the last, here you are trying to sign something that doesnt exist

10:07 PM

you have the key, continue with kernel

ok done

10:09 PM

now compile?

yes but replace command

10:09 PM

with your device number

whats this?

10:12 PM

is it a program or an image (edited)

well read the whole message

10:12 PM

program, command line program

bruh ur right

10:12 PM

hum

10:12 PM

what distro are you using?

i think this is written for debian

10:13 PM

just google the program + your distro

10:13 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

done

10:15 PM

its compiling

10:15 PM

nvm

there are a fev commands to install

10:17 PM

what now

well first the path is wrong

10:18 PM

/home/build/inkbox/ without anything before it

10:18 PM

not in your home dir

can u explain again plz? xd

10:20 PM

what u mean

10:21 PM

should I change where I am?

it should be /home/build/inkbox/ your is /home/dominiac/build......

10:21 PM

sudo mkdir -p /home/build/inkbox/

10:21 PM

litterally

haaa

10:21 PM

I fket up

10:23 PM

ok so I just have to move everything into that folder and I'm golden?

no, propably not

10:23 PM

put it and try again

10:23 PM

we need to use a diffrent toolchain

10:23 PM

propably

10:24 PM

imgtool/release.bash at 49501458569a476d4e73468989795b05100c059b · ...

Reproducible image builder for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/imgtool development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:24 PM

yep

10:24 PM

show me your command that you execute to compile the kernel

10:25 PM

i will modify it

env GITDIR=$PWD TOOLCHAINDIR=$PWD/toolchain/armv7l-linux-musleabihf-cross/ THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=armv7l-linux-musleabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n437 root

10:27 PM

I just changed the model number

select the toolchain path that has "nickel" in it

oof

10:31 PM

where is that

in the kernel toolchain dir

ha yes I see it now

10:32 PM

arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf -> this is it (edited)

yep

10:39 PM

try with it

?

11:01 PM

whats going on

also change target

ha

11:02 PM

nickel aswell? (edited)

11:03 PM

its doing stuff

11:03 PM

here we goo

11:05 PM

ok I got this bad boy -> uImage-root

11:05 PM

what now (edited)

rootfs

next step? (edited)

nah skip that

11:08 PM

not important

11:08 PM

rootfs now

the folder?

11:09 PM

or is that a command?

Building the rootfs

11:09 PM

step

ha

11:10 PM

alright

11:10 PM

done

do the same as in rootfs for gui-rootfs

11:11 PM

btw do you have a serial cable

Szybet

btw do you have a serial cable

this things?

Szybet

do the same as in rootfs for gui-rootfs

done

Dominiac

this things?

half of it

11:13 PM

uart - usb converter

not really

11:14 PM

:[

11:14 PM

do I need that?

propably not

11:15 PM

gui bundle now

11:16 PM

the command is sudo GITDIR=${PWD} ./release.sh rootfs.pem 1.9

11:21 PM

what did I do :[

oh

11:21 PM

well

11:22 PM

crap

11:22 PM

i forgot

11:22 PM

clone the compiled-binaries repo

11:22 PM

in the place that all others

ok now I have to inclide the folders location

11:29 PM

after the "1.9"?

11:30 PM

like so: sudo GITDIR=${PWD} ./release.sh rootfs.pem 1.9 /home/build/inkbox/compiled-binaries/ ? (edited)

no

11:31 PM

download qt creator

11:31 PM

linux package

11:31 PM

distro

11:31 PM

program

11:31 PM

yes

qt designer?

11:36 PM

nvm

Szybet

download qt creator

done

create a build folder

11:39 PM

inside it clone those repos with the names as in the image

11:39 PM

for example

11:39 PM

git clone https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox build_inkbox

Szybet

create a build folder

where do I create it?

11:43 PM

or it dosent matter? (edited)

inside gui bundle dir

Szybet

inside it clone those repos with the names as in the image

witch repos?

inkbox

11:48 PM

oobe-inkbox

11:48 PM

lockscreen

Szybet

inkbox

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox ?

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox: An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader ...

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox: An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices).

Szybet

git clone https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox build_inkbox

yep, the same link

Szybet

oobe-inkbox

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/oobe-inkbox

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/oobe-inkbox: Out-Of-the-Box-Experience program...

Out-Of-the-Box-Experience program for InkBox. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/oobe-inkbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

yep

Szybet

lockscreen

aaand this one https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/lockscreen

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/lockscreen: Lockscreen program for InkBox

Lockscreen program for InkBox. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/lockscreen development by creating an account on GitHub.

yep

ok done

11:53 PM

now the other command?

no

11:53 PM

open qt creator

ok its open

options -> kits

11:54 PM

copy values

11:54 PM

add them & etc

11:54 PM

11:55 PM

believe me this is the easy way

11:55 PM

you need to create a working kit

ok got everything

12:06 AM

exept the debugger

12:07 AM

I dont have it for some reason

nah ignore it

yh

12:07 AM

whats next

now open a project at those paths that you cloned

12:07 AM

and disable shadow builds in build options

home/build/inkbox is it?

12:08 AM

wait

12:09 AM

what do I open as a project?

Szybet

inkbox

these 3

12:10 AM

pro file in them

Szybet

and disable shadow builds in build options

where is that

ok got it

12:16 AM

build it

12:16 AM

well

12:16 AM

try

12:18 AM

201 warnings

12:19 AM

no errors tho

12:20 AM

compile output is crazy red

12:20 AM

I messtup something

not run, build

12:21 AM

no arrow

12:21 AM

only hammer

Dominiac

201 warnings

inkbox code is a mess

12:22 AM

~~it works!~~

12:22 AM

lets go?

it build?

12:22 AM

btw built it in release mode

12:23 AM

not debug

12:23 AM

in which have you built it

how do I know if it build?

green bar on the right

in release mode it gives me 143 warnings

clean

12:25 AM

build bar -> click clean

12:25 AM

then build in release

this one?

ye

ok it worked

12:26 AM

now in that dir show me output of file inkbox

where? xd

the projecvt dir

this thing?

in terminal

12:31 AM

enter this dir

hu

12:33 AM

/home/build/inkbox/gui-bundle/build/ -> in the project folder?

the same folder where you choosed the pro file for qt creator

one of these?

yes

12:37 AM

this folder

12:37 AM

execute the command

12:37 AM

should I do it on the release version?

you should have only a release version

12:39 AM

should I execute via terminal?

yes?

Szybet

in terminal

.

Szybet

now in that dir show me output of file inkbox

copy this and run.

ha yes

12:41 AM

inkbox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux 2.6.33, with debug_info, not stripped

its not release built

12:42 AM

clean and build again

by cleaning you mean delete the release build?

12:44 AM

toolbar

ok got it

12:45 AM

inkbox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux 2.6.33, with debug_info, not stripped

12:45 AM

same message

ok whatever then

12:46 AM

do this for the rest 2 project

same message?

12:50 AM

inkbox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux 2.6.33, with debug_info, not stripped

ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then ok whatever then

12:50 AM

its fine

12:50 AM

thats correct right?

ye

ok so what now

Run the command that i gave you with release at the start of gui bundle and add the last arguemt the dir where all other those 3 directories are

1:00 AM

Im going to sleep, its late, if you want to go on your own read the chat here and #quill and #dev there is everything that you need

1:00 AM

If not tommorow i will guide you more

ok gn!

Dominiac

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?! are you trying to run it on your computer?

tux-linux

?! are you trying to run it on your computer?

yes

1:12 PM

I was tryng to run it via dolphin

well that was wrong

Szybet

Run the command that i gave you with release at the start of gui bundle and add the last arguemt the dir where all other those 3 directories are

did you did that

not yet I also went to bed

1:26 PM

lets see

Szybet

the command is sudo GITDIR=${PWD} ./release.sh rootfs.pem 1.9

this one?

1:33 PM

so sudo GITDIR=${PWD} ./release.sh rootfs.pem 1.9 /build ? (edited)

wrong build path

1:33 PM

but yes

is it?

1:34 PM

do I have to put the hole thing?

/home/build/inkbox/gui-bundle/build/

you are poiting to / -> build

1:34 PM

put the whole one, to be sure

roger

1:36 PM

bruh

1:36 PM

oh wait

1:37 PM

yh its going

1:46 PM

should I redo the key stuff?

use the same one

1:48 PM

copy it

1:49 PM

everywhere use the same key

private or public?

1:51 PM

I only have those 2

you use private one to sign things

1:51 PM

and the public you put in the kernel

1:51 PM

right?

Szybet

copy it

.

ha got it

1:55 PM

so should I copy the public one into kernel?

Dominiac

so should I copy the public one into kernel?

you should have already done it as it said in the guide

Dominiac

Click to see attachment 🖼️

context>

damm

2:11 PM

ok lets go back then

2:11 PM

I should do this right?

2:11 PM

2:12 PM

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign private.pem -out rootfs.squashfs.dgst rootfs.squashfs

2:12 PM

this command gives me an error

2:12 PM

rootfs.squashfs: No such file or directory 40571B142E7F0000:error:80000002:system library:file_ctrl:No such file or directory:crypto/bio/bss_file.c:297:calling fopen(rootfs.squashfs, r) 40571B142E7F0000:error:10080002:BIO routines:file_ctrl:system lib:crypto/bio/bss_file.c:300:

well maybe first try to understand what you are doing

2:17 PM

did you did kernel?

2:18 PM

you generated one pair of keys, and replaced them in kernel?

2:18 PM

and now you use this one pair of keys everywhere?

Szybet

you generated one pair of keys, and replaced them in kernel?

you mean this part of the guide?

2:20 PM

yep

yes

then use this one pair of keys EVERYWHERE else

what you mean by using the pair of keys

2:22 PM

do I copy them everywhere

2:22 PM

or do I use their path

both

2:23 PM

copy better

2:23 PM

you dont generate any other keys

ok so

2:24 PM

if I understand correctly

2:24 PM

then the keys are created on build/inkbox path is it?

2:24 PM

the private and public

2:25 PM

here

2:30 PM

ha

2:30 PM

sudo GITDIR=${PWD} ./release.sh /home/build/inkbox/private.pem 1.9 /home/build/inkbox/gui-bundle/build

2:30 PM

this worked for me

2:30 PM

what

2:30 PM

now

2:31 PM

you use only one pair of keys everywhere

Dominiac

then the keys are created on build/inkbox path is it?

no new created

sure but where are they

Dominiac

yes

It's supposed to be run on the target architecture, i.e. your Kobo

Dominiac

sure but where are they

what

Szybet

what

like, in witch folder are they

2:36 PM

of is this a dumb question to ask

2:36 PM

maybe this is one of those kek

eeewhat is where

the keys

Dominiac

here

they are here arent they

2:39 PM

just to make sure

2:40 PM

the ones I have to use

in kernel, where you replaced them

2:40 PM

and now you sign the software using those keys

here?

in one of those squash file systems

2:42 PM

right?

haa

2:44 PM

so squash is a compressed read only file

2:44 PM

didnt know that

something like that

got it

2:44 PM

ok so

2:45 PM

how to I use this files as keys everywhere

2:45 PM

do I just use their path? (edited)

2:46 PM

the thing we where talking about earlyer

what areyou talking about

hold on

2:46 PM

brb in 1h +/-

ok I'm back

Szybet

what areyou talking about

so this command worked

3:34 PM

whats next

3:35 PM

maybe I can understand the key things later

Dominiac

so this command worked

show output

https://phoenixnap.com/kb/linux-sync

3.97 KB

well good

3:37 PM

plug the sd card into your pc

lets goo

3:39 PM

ok done

did we did gui-rootfs?

no?

3:40 PM

what was suppose to be done there

the same as in rootfs

3:41 PM

identical

3:41 PM

but for diffrent files

ha

3:41 PM

so this

3:41 PM

3:42 PM

but for gui-rootfs

3:42 PM

is it?

yep

3:42 PM

dont generate a new key use the same one

3:43 PM

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign private.pem -out rootfs.squashfs.dgst rootfs.squashfs

3:43 PM

this two?

yes, but replace the path & file names

but for gui

3:43 PM

yes

3:47 PM

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst gui-rootfs.squashfs

3:47 PM

like this?

ye

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out rootfs.squashfs.dgst rootfs.squashfs this one didnt work

3:48 PM

ok both didnt work

Szybet

yes, but replace the path & file names

.

3:48 PM

did you run release?

3:48 PM

script

yes

3:49 PM

sudo env GITDIR=$PWD ./release.sh

3:49 PM

this one

did you get gui-rootfs.squashfs file?

3:49 PM

outside of gui-rootfs dir?

3:49 PM

in the parent dir

oh yea

3:50 PM

its outsite

3:50 PM

I put it inside the folder then

no

3:50 PM

doesnt matter

Dominiac

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst gui-rootfs.squashfs

run this where the file is

ok

3:52 PM

this one worked

3:52 PM

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst rootfs.squashfs

3:53 PM

what now

3:53 PM

next spteperino

no

3:54 PM

you need to understand a bit what you are doing to make it

Dominiac

openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst rootfs.squashfs

here you created gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst by signing rootfs.squashfs

3:54 PM

it doesnt make sense right?

3:55 PM

gui-rootfs and rootfs are 2 diffrent things

3:55 PM

where is gui-rootfs.squash

Szybet

where is gui-rootfs.squash

the only one I have is gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst an then I got a rootfs.squashfs inside the gui-rootfs

Dominiac

the only one I have is gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst an then I got a rootfs.squashfs inside the gui-rootfs

move rootfs.sqhashfs back to the parent directory

4:02 PM

and in this parent directory run ls and show output

4:02 PM

and remove gui-rootfs.squashfs.dgst

Szybet

and in this parent directory run ls and show output

.

4:04 PM

parent fir

4:04 PM

also copy the output and not screenshot

 compiled-binaries   gui-bundle   gui-rootfs   gui_rootfs.isa   kernel   private.pem   public.pem   rootfs   rootfs.squashfs   rootfs.squashfs.dgst   squashfs-root   squashfs_root

(edited)

oh its and .isa

4:06 PM

my bad

4:06 PM

sign the isa file

4:06 PM

gui_rootfs.isa.dgst

ha I see

be right back

4:09 PM

I

4:09 PM

I be right back

ok

Szybet

sign the isa file

sudo openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out gui-rootfs.squashfs gui_rootfs.isa.dgst

4:11 PM

like that right?

yes

4:35 PM

no

Szybet

gui_rootfs.isa.dgst

.

Szybet

.

thats what I did

4:40 PM

I think

name

4:46 PM

is diffrent

Dominiac

sudo openssl dgst -sha256 -sign /home/build/inkbox/private.pem -out gui-rootfs.squashfs gui_rootfs.isa.dgst

no squashfs, only isa...

HA

4:48 PM

I get it now

4:48 PM

ok done

do you have write access to your sd card

I think so

enter the dir where zimage was created

4:51 PM

kernel repo

4:51 PM

sudo dd if=zImage-root of=/dev/sdcard bs=512 seek=81920

4:51 PM

zimage is name of your zimage file

4:52 PM

and /dev/sdard replace with the sd card whole disk file

4:52 PM

before executing command post it here

Szybet

enter the dir where zimage was created

where is that

4:56 PM

ha wait

4:56 PM

here? /home/build/inkbox/kernel/kernel/out/n437/

ye

mine is uImage-root

Szybet

do you have write access to your sd card

what do you mean?

Szybet

before executing command post it here

sudo dd if=uImage-root of=/dev/sdd bs=512 seek=81920

Dominiac

sudo dd if=uImage-root of=/dev/sdd bs=512 seek=81920

if its your sd card then its fine, launch it

5:05 PM

and execute watch -n 0.1 sync (edited)

Szybet

and execute watch -n 0.1 sync (edited)

calm down...

5:06 PM

:D

something isnt right

5:08 PM

╰─ sudo dd if=uImage-root of=/dev/sdd bs=512 seek=81920 ─╯ [sudo] password for dominiac: 17638+1 records in 17638+1 records out 9031008 bytes (9,0 MB, 8,6 MiB) copied, 0,99813 s, 9,0 MB/s

?

is that correct?

yo

ha I see

5:10 PM

was expecting it to not work I guess xd

5:11 PM

allright so now I can put the sd cart into the tablet and test it out right?

nooooooo

5:13 PM

mount partition number 3 and 4 of the sd card

5:13 PM

and show me insides of it

5:13 PM

oh crap forgot something

5:14 PM

what was your command you used to compile the kernel

env GITDIR=$PWD TOOLCHAINDIR=$PWD/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/ THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n437 root

5:20 PM

this one I think

Szybet

mount partition number 3 and 4 of the sd card

sdd 8:48 1 59,5G 0 disk ├─sdd1 8:49 1 24M 0 part /run/media/dominiac/boot ├─sdd2 8:50 1 500M 0 part /run/media/dominiac/recoveryfs ├─sdd3 8:51 1 128M 0 part /run/media/dominiac/rootfs └─sdd4 8:52 1 3G 0 part /run/media/dominiac/user /rootfs and user right?

Dominiac

env GITDIR=$PWD TOOLCHAINDIR=$PWD/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/ THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n437 root

ok fine

Dominiac

sdd 8:48 1 59,5G 0 disk ├─sdd1 8:49 1 24M 0 part /run/media/dominiac/boot ├─sdd2 8:50 1 500M 0 part /run/media/dominiac/recoveryfs ├─sdd3 8:51 1 128M 0 part /run/media/dominiac/rootfs └─sdd4 8:52 1 3G 0 part /run/media/dominiac/user /rootfs and user right?

seems fine?

5:26 PM

now show me the content of every

5:26 PM

partition

boot:  flags  lost+found

5:29 PM

recoveryfs:

  lost+found                     overlaymount-rootfs.squashfs.dgst   recoveryfs.squashfs.dgst
 overlaymount-rootfs.squashfs   recoveryfs.squashfs

5:30 PM

rootfs:

  lost+found                     overlaymount-rootfs.squashfs.dgst   rootfs.squashfs
 overlaymount-rootfs.squashfs   rootfs                              rootfs.squashfs.dgst

5:31 PM

user:

  config        gui_rootfs       gui_rootfs.isa.dgst   onboard   update
 dhcpcd_duid   gui_rootfs.isa   lost+found            tmpfs     X11

do you already see things to replace

?

user: gui_rootfs.isa.dgst and gui_rootfs.isa rootfs: rootfs.squashfs and rootfs.squashfs.dgst

5:35 PM

is it?

yep

...ok

5:42 PM

I think I did it

well be sure

5:43 PM

now in gui-bundle dir navigate to out folder, find update.isa and copy the file to partition 4 update fir ( in this dir should be a file, overwrite it ) (edited)

ook

5:45 PM

its done

echo rooted | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872

5:46 PM

run this on your sd card

╰─ sudo echo rooted | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872                                                        ─╯
dd: failed to open '/dev/mmcblk0': Permission denied

5:50 PM

 ╰─ sudo echo rooted | dd of=/dev/sdd bs=512 seek=79872                                                            ─╯
dd: failed to open '/dev/sdd': Permission denied

execute as root

echo rooted | sudo dd of=/dev/sdd bs=512 seek=79872

5:53 PM

there it worked

5:53 PM

hehe

ok good

5:53 PM

did i forgot something

5:53 PM

you replaced gui-rootfs too?

yes

type sync 3 times in terminal

5:54 PM

then unmount every partition safely

5:55 PM

plug the sd card to the ereader

5:55 PM

stop

5:55 PM

actually

Dominiac

recoveryfs:

  lost+found                     overlaymount-rootfs.squashfs.dgst   recoveryfs.squashfs.dgst
 overlaymount-rootfs.squashfs   recoveryfs.squashfs

move to your pc ( remove on sd card ) files associated with overlaymount-rootfs, recovery

Szybet

type sync 3 times in terminal

and then do this

Szybet

move to your pc ( remove on sd card ) files associated with overlaymount-rootfs, recovery

I remove from sd card?

yes. but have a copy of those files on pc

roger

Szybet

type sync 3 times in terminal

what does that do?

6:02 PM

like sync and ender 3 times or like sync sync sync?

Linux sync Command Explained with 7 Real Life Examples

Synchronize your cache data to the permanent memory with sync. Read this tutorial to learn how to use the Linux sync command with examples.

Dominiac

like sync and ender 3 times or like sync sync sync?

sync
sync
sync

oh hell yha

6:07 PM

its booting

stop celebrating

yep

it will be a miracle if it boots to GUI

error message

6:07 PM

:[

:D

6:07 PM

show

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_error_codes

https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md#building-the-kernel

Dominiac

user: gui_rootfs.isa.dgst and gui_rootfs.isa rootfs: rootfs.squashfs and rootfs.squashfs.dgst

did you replaced also the dgst for sure?

6:10 PM

and those were signed using the same key pair that you replaced in the kernel?

I'm pretty sure but I'll do the procedure again

did you replaced them in the kernel correctly?

6:11 PM

like have you overwritten the keys that were there already>

in the sd card?

no, before compiling kernel in the kernel repo

damm maybe not

6:12 PM

do it then

6:12 PM

with the same keys

6:12 PM

then write the kernel as before

6:12 PM

and try again

6:12 PM

compile it again

Szybet

no, before compiling kernel in the kernel repo

can you explain again the kernel thing

6:18 PM

like the key thing

https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md#building-the-kernel

Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes. Contribute to aartoni/n249 development by creating an account on GitHub.

reboot once more

how much time do I have to press to reboot

15s

6:56 PM

then idk 2 to power it up

damm same error

are you sure you did that with the same key?

6:58 PM

that you signed rootfs?

1s I'll do everyting again

You can now check if the squashfs contains your public.pem by mounting it.

6:58 PM

show me

6:59 PM

something is wrong with this line

6:59 PM

show me inside of the squashfs

 applications-public.pem  kobox-graphic-public.pem  kobox-nographic-public.pem  public.pem

check if its your public.pem

7:03 PM

md5sum it

7:03 PM

and the one you use to sign rootfs

md5sum public.pem /dir/public.pem -> like that?

md5sum <path to file>

haa

7:09 PM

they are different

7:09 PM

I'm doing something wrong (edited)

https://github.com/aartoni/n249/blob/main/installation.md#building-the-kernel

Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes. Contribute to aartoni/n249 development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:10 PM

look at paths if those are correct

7:10 PM

do it maybe in the same directoryt

╰─ sudo unsquashfs kernel/initrd/n437/opt/key.sqsh ─╯ Parallel unsquashfs: Using 16 processors 4 inodes (4 blocks) to write FATAL ERROR: write_file: file squashfs-root/applications-public.pem already exists

7:14 PM

do I delete the file?

7:15 PM

ha wait

7:27 PM

7:28 PM

7:40 PM

yes?

still error nº3

is the md5sum now correct the same?

7cfcc54db682ae7088eb777734c9b61a public.pem

and the second one?

7cfcc54db682ae7088eb777734c9b61a /home/build/inkbox/squashfs-root/public.pem

7:42 PM

the same is it?

7:42 PM

alright

yes

7:42 PM

now save the squashfs

7:42 PM

open it check again

7:42 PM

then recompile kernel

7:42 PM

and write it?

Szybet

now save the squashfs

how do I do that?

7:42 PM

o mean close the /mnt ?

http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/misc/kobo-glo-1.9999-root-dev/

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7:43 PM

i really wonder how many times will i send this link

7:43 PM

if you dont understand certain commands, google them, ask chatgpt

7:44 PM

just dont try doing things when you are blind

alright alright

any progress?

I took a break

oke

will continue +/- 1h

ok so error nº3 pretends only to a rootfs.squashfs problem right, therefore ether I'm creating the files wrong or transfering them wrong into the sd card (edited)

Well tommorow

12:01 AM

Files wrong

12:02 AM

Error 3 because the rest issint even vhecked

kekw

Szybet

Well tommorow

alright gn

Any progress

6:40 PM

nop

Are you sure you did the kernel corrwct

sudo unsquashfs kernel/initrd/n437/opt/key.sqsh

cp /home/build/inkbox/public.pem squashfs_root

mksquashfs squashfs-root kernel/initrd/n437/opt/key.sqsh -noappend

env GITDIR=$PWD TOOLCHAINDIR=$PWD/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/ THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n437 root

(edited)

6:51 PM

is there more to do in the kernel?

6:51 PM

did I miss something?

How do you write it the sd card

sudo dd if=uImage-root of=/dev/sdd bs=512 seek=81920

maybe I dont have the libs to compile the kernal properly?

logkernal.txt

178.16 KB

Dominiac

sudo unsquashfs kernel/initrd/n437/opt/key.sqsh

cp /home/build/inkbox/public.pem squashfs_root

mksquashfs squashfs-root kernel/initrd/n437/opt/key.sqsh -noappend

env GITDIR=$PWD TOOLCHAINDIR=$PWD/toolchain/arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf/ THREADS=$(($(nproc)*2)) TARGET=arm-nickel-linux-gnueabihf scripts/build_kernel.sh n437 root

(edited)

Did you veify the key is correct

Dominiac

maybe I dont have the libs to compile the kernal properly?

If there sre no errors, then its fins

Szybet

Did you veify the key is correct

well yes

8:22 PM

I used this command to copy the keys into the sd card:

8:22 PM

sudo cp /home/build/inkbox/rootfs/rootfs.squashfs /run/media/dominiac/rootfs/

8:23 PM

and then the same but for the dgst file as well

8:23 PM

is that correct?

Yes

8:34 PM

are ypu sure it overwrittet?

8:34 PM

Check checksums... For everything

8:34 PM

@tux-linux how to replace / overwrite developer key

8:34 PM

8:36 PM

If you check everything with checksums and it doesnt work... Place the original rootfs.squashfs and the dgst for this file on the sd card and check if the error changes

Szybet

are ypu sure it overwrittet?

yes to make sure, I delete the files in the sd card and then cp them back into it

Szybet

Check checksums... For everything

thjen this

Szybet

thjen this

checked they are the same

9:15 PM

what else could it be

Szybet

If you check everything with checksums and it doesnt work... Place the original rootfs.squashfs and the dgst for this file on the sd card and check if the error changes

.

yes thats what I did

What

9:29 PM

and whats the result

9:29 PM

With the original rootfs

the same

Then you are using diffrent keys...

9:33 PM

Or something is horribly wrong

9:33 PM

Sign again the rootfs with the same key you coppied to kernel

9:34 PM

I will propably prepare all those files for you

9:34 PM

Tommorow

9:34 PM

hey man... sry for the trouble :sadpepe:

Maybe its an issue on my side

9:38 PM

We dont know

9:38 PM

So no need to be sorry

its possible it could be something I'm doing

9:38 PM

I'm a bit of a noob

Everyone was at some point of time

Dominiac

maybe I dont have the libs to compile the kernal properly?

are you on debian

3:26 AM

oh well if it boots then it's not debian

Szybet

@tux-linux how to replace / overwrite developer key

developer key isn't even supposed to be installed

3:28 AM

to check for sure dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=256 skip=159746 count=1 should output 0 for disabled or 1 for enabled if it has never been installed before, it should output nothing

tux-linux

developer key isn't even supposed to be installed

How to install it

6:49 AM

How to install a fake one

Because developer key is the only sollution to this madness

tux-linux

are you on debian

I'm on manjaro, so arch

@Dominiac send me dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=256 count=1 skip=2

tux-linux

@Dominiac send me dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=256 count=1 skip=2

?...

tux-linux

@Dominiac send me dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=256 count=1 skip=2

I dont have /dev/mmcblk0

Its your sd card

3:50 PM

Main dev block

ha I see

3:55 PM

then in my case: dd if=/dev/sdd bs=256 count=1 skip=2 (edited)

3:56 PM

IX8V1fWjY7jruUsmgz8ryzB6Pt45IbKWQjL4kwuQ3rp228xy9kBjtB5FkzAFsLv4SocZVTdBjaUzlHL7ndGm8DcrLtBUQe7Lvz1vvUxad0Znk034bRR0KUMK4KtBHDTzFdD7xWFnr5ezr9zqrWNflgue4GbyyrhCGRJkGaUSsAboZkvRoaYjf1Nryc4l6GgFqoPIHGwrsHdVtKXc5zPvJ8VP47jbZyu0wdj1M7N5IaJCsYw5oqOGsahku2wFgBc51+0 records in
1+0 records out
256 bytes copied, 3,5607e-05 s, 7,2 MB/s

(edited)

Hmm

4:07 PM

What

4:07 PM

@tux-linux

@Dominiac

11:55 PM

11:55 PM

I hope you didn't gived up

11:55 PM

flash this, replace files, should work for real

11:56 PM

also clean all files in flags folder on partition 1 on the sd card

Szybet

I hope you didn't gived up

not at all

Dominiac

not at all

https://youtu.be/IytXZKznsE4

ogheeKapr

heavy very good

Szybet

flash this, replace files, should work for real

will do later at night, rn I'm busy with other stuff :[

no worries, i'm going to sleep anyway

11:59 PM

just don't give up, we will figure this out ;p

alright, see you tomorrow then

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tux-linux

to check for sure dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=256 skip=159746 count=1 should output 0 for disabled or 1 for enabled if it has never been installed before, it should output nothing

Do that actually I was confused

3:22 AM

The other command is to check the UID which is not very relevant for this

Szybet

move to your pc ( remove on sd card ) files associated with overlaymount-rootfs, recovery

maybe I needed those files? like generating again them or so? (edited)

4:05 AM

gonna continue tomorrow brb

Dominiac

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Thats progress

9:49 AM

I will upload this file soon

Could I just use a second SD card to flash inkbox on that one so that I can just switch the sd cards to freely swap between nickel and inkbox?

Of course

10:22 AM

Made a backup of nickel anyway

10:22 AM

Just to be sure

true, sd cards are bound to break at some point

(edited)

Dominiac

maybe I needed those files? like generating again them or so? (edited)

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_error_codes

https://github.com/Szybet/sanki

10:39 AM

i uploaded these files

10:39 AM

replace them

10:39 AM

on partition 2 and 3!

10:39 AM

remember that

1:15 PM

Good

1:51 PM

well if it works then you can do anything else

1:51 PM

idk what you want now

hum

2:25 PM

it apears that the UI doesent fit on my display

?

2:25 PM

phoyo

it cuts abit on the right

well you can fix that

2:26 PM

or at least make a github issue

2:27 PM

thats not the waveform you were talking about wasnt it?

2:27 PM

the issue

Szybet

well you can fix that

add a limit for book name 'length

Dominiac

thats not the waveform you were talking about wasnt it?

noope

it is already there

2:27 PM

but it doesn't always work

welp

how did you come to have a book of this name

what name

2:28 PM

the 1º one?

2:28 PM

I have no idea about that one

Szybet

add a limit for book name 'length

its not just the book name tho

?

but its caused by the book

2:29 PM

trust me

ha

Dominiac

Click to see attachment 🖼️

oh i think it's because capital letters in the second one

2:29 PM

they take up more space in average

2:29 PM

i think

2:30 PM

still clips on a different menu

2:30 PM

see the time

click on power icon then restart inkbox

dont click reader, send an image of the main menu

on it

2:31 PM

waiting for it to restart rn

2:32 PM

yes youre right

2:33 PM

it was because of the book name

2:33 PM

yep

hum alright alright

2:36 PM

I see

Szybet

idk what you want now

now the next step: how do I install your apps

what apps

dont remember if there was documention about that

there are a few

If I remember correcly you ported anki into inkbox didnt you? (edited)

2:38 PM

that one I'm particularry intrested

yea but its outdated but im doing a complete rewritew of it, 80% is already completed

2:39 PM

I added sessions which will allow to use many decks at the same time

2:39 PM

in a week or less i will release it

2:40 PM

you can try it now if you want, by compiling it by yourself

Szybet

I added sessions which will allow to use many decks at the same time

+ eink optimisations

Dominiac

If I remember correcly you ported anki into inkbox didnt you? (edited)

not ported, its more like a small anki, a viewer for the decks ( still usable tho for learning ) (edited)

Szybet

not ported, its more like a small anki, a viewer for the decks ( still usable tho for learning ) (edited)

ha so a program you made to view the decks made by anki?

yep

2:43 PM

no editing etc

2:43 PM

easier to use ( less functions )

in teory it could be ported no? its gui kit is QT

eink & touchscreen & speed focused

Dominiac

in teory it could be ported no? its gui kit is QT

ported to what

to inkbox

read the description of the project

2:44 PM

:D

2:45 PM

GitHub - Szybet/sanki: small anki rewritten for e-readers, with foc...

small anki rewritten for e-readers, with focus on inkbox support - GitHub - Szybet/sanki: small anki rewritten for e-readers, with focus on inkbox support

Szybet

ported to what

I mean anki itself

oh

2:47 PM

anki? hell no maybe

2:47 PM

its written in 3 languages: cpp, python, rust

2:47 PM

python is slow, the main algorithm is written in python so the app would be horribly slow

2:48 PM

and compiling it, with this mix would be awfull

2:48 PM

with problems with anki itself, i decided to write my own app

ha I seee I see

2:52 PM

well as long as it has all the features relevant to a ink tablet and it can open anki decks it funtually does the same work (edited)

the algorithm to view the decks will be worse

2:53 PM

no schedulling for next days for example

Szybet

no schedulling for next days for example

yet?

not at all, propably long answer: I "pretend" the anki algorithm, it's not perfect, If you have an idea how to add to mine a scheduling way, then sure (edited)

3:39 PM

there will be a way to view cards only that were "hard" to learn

I assume the InkBox does not work with calibre right?

Only because no one cared

4:01 PM

You can add support

4:02 PM

You can make a github issue, if like 5 people will want it I will add it propably

4:03 PM

The Worst option: You can donate a bit to me / propably not tux linux he isisn't interested and I will add it with no more questions asked (edited)

Okay I will think about it, thanks!

alright so

7:25 PM

do you have some pointers on how to make a aplication for inkbox?

7:26 PM

I create the application on QTCreator right

7:26 PM

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=InkBox_GUI_user_apps

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/apps-on-kobo/qt-setup.md

7:26 PM

reading this currently

niAudio/qt-setup.md at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:26 PM

also this

7:26 PM

you can skip the setup part

7:27 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/apps-on-kobo/launch_app.sh

niAudio/launch_app.sh at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

7:27 PM

this script

7:28 PM

when you connect to inkbox os via ssh, to launch qt apps you need to /chroot /kobo

7:28 PM

any questions, ask

7:28 PM

this is the only server i dont have muted so i will respond

7:28 PM

do you have a background in programming?

7:28 PM

also, what app do you plan to make?

Szybet

do you have a background in programming?

well yea I'm still learning atm, I know the basic stuff mostly

good then

Szybet

also, what app do you plan to make?

dunno, something simple like a fancy hello world or so. that way I can explore how things work +/- and how to debug stuff

okay cool

7:30 PM

you can grab sanki code and play with it

lets goo

Szybet

The Worst option: You can donate a bit to me / propably not tux linux he isisn't interested and I will add it with no more questions asked (edited)

I am not interested, sorry (edited)

8:17 PM

Let's make a working reader before trying to get in this stuff

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~~quess what i will be doing~~

g

~~@Dominiac did you gived up~~

Szybet

~~@Dominiac did you gived up~~

nop

so?

10:03 PM

any progrewss

I have not been able to do much more yet, I have stuff to do for uni :[

10:04 PM

tho I have been playng arround with QT Creator

Szybet

any progrewss

now that you mention, do you recommend any site to download books?

for what purpoose?

any purpoose

10:06 PM

the books I downloaded so far makes the reader block

>

10:06 PM

?

I beleave is duo to the images

block?

yes, it loads the 1º page of the book and then it stays there non responding

Szybet

for what purpoose?

not sure if its because of the format of the book or not, thats why I'm asking

Dominiac

yes, it loads the 1º page of the book and then it stays there non responding

um oops

10:08 PM

pdfs should do

10:08 PM

send me those books, i will have a look when i develop the new one

10:08 PM

epubs should do too

Szybet

epubs should do too

epubs work so far, tho without images

10:09 PM

but pdfs not really

weird

are you gonna make another reader?

10:10 PM

why not using a available reader on linux?

10:10 PM

like a very simple one

10:11 PM

or maybe forking a it into inkbox

10:11 PM

is it just easyer to make another one? xd

I mean, reusing the gui of the existing one and rewriting the logic to be multi threaded - better - faster

Dominiac

why not using a available reader on linux?

Its not that simple.....

Dominiac

why not using a available reader on linux?

kobos often have 512mb of ram or less... ... ...

Also, there just aren't any to begin with?

12:20 AM

There's foliate and calibre, basically

12:21 AM

webkit-gtk + vala or webengine + PyQt, choose your poison

foliate already looks bad

It's ePub.js in webkit-gtk and a vala GUI, IIRC

coolreader seems cool (pun not intended but hey here you go) but honestly having to deal with a pixmap instead of characters kinda freaks me out (edited)

It might sound weird coming from me given that KOReader uses CRe; but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it

Yes, when you explained how it worked I was slightly terrified

It has a lot of weird quirks, most or which stems from its history

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12:24 AM

It's basically a crazy twenty years old russian hack designed for PalmOS (edited)

12:24 AM

It's very cool, mind you, but it's really, really starting to show its age

1

12:25 AM

I have zero experience with any of its official GUIs, though (and I probably wouldn't recommend them anyway)

they are fine

12:25 AM

but lack some QoL/GUI nice things

Which is why mupdf is a good fallback, it doesn't actually have a GUI, and the API is pretty nice

12:26 AM

Which is perfect for us

yes, it is, but sometimes it also bugs out for no reason

12:26 AM

hehe

https://faqs.ankiweb.net/anki-must-be-able-to-connect-to-a-local-port.html

Anki must be able to connect to a local port - Frequently Asked Que...

12:26 AM

great idea

12:27 AM

XD

12:27 AM

anyway, does anyone know a way to sniff a linux process network communication in a readable way? apart from wireshark

What's wrong with wireshark? ;o)

12:29 AM

If the traffic is encrypted you're going to have a hard time regardless, as you'll then need extra trickery to break SSL, which usually involves having deep control over part of your network

12:30 AM

networking is not my forte, though

Szybet

https://faqs.ankiweb.net/anki-must-be-able-to-connect-to-a-local-port.html

i just want to debug the "gui" XD

I feel like running Foliate with so little ram is not gonna work out

12:14 AM

Foliate is something I use on desktop and I quite like it

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hii ❗

Welcome to the InkBox OS community. We're happy to have you here and hope you're settling in nicely. As a new member, we'd love to know a little bit about what brought you to our community. Is there anything in particular you're interested in or looking to learn more about while you're here?

Hiya! Not particularely, I'm interested in trying out InkBox down the line and joined in case I faced any issues

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Hey @Szybet

5:19 PM

How can I assist you in porting InkBox for Kobo Nia?

In porting inkbox to the kobo nia c wariant*

5:57 PM

Grab the kernel anki discovered that has the additionall pmic driver and try to compile it

5:57 PM

Manually

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Were you here already once?

6:47 PM

Anyway, weldocme

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Szybet

Were you here already once?

yeah, i had some technical issues joining the server (edited)

I see

Szybet

Grab the kernel anki discovered that has the additionall pmic driver and try to compile it

Can you please provide me additional instructions on what I've to do exactly?

1:11 PM

Finding the necessary information after two weeks of messages without a thread-like functionality is pretty hard... maybe you can post the necessary information into the GitHub issue

grab the clara 2e source kernel

1:34 PM

somewhere there

1:34 PM

look at the commit in koboreader repo, thee should be a kobo nia related file

1:34 PM

download it

@Szybet You might like this http://essentialscrap.com/eink/

Hmmm

12:12 PM

thanks

http://essentialscrap.com/eink/waveforms.html http://spritesmods.com/?art=einkdisplay&page=1

Driving waveforms

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Hello

Hello there

Szybet

grab the clara 2e source kernel

This one? https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/blob/master/hw/imx6sll-clara2e/kernel.tar.bz2

Kobo-Reader/kernel.tar.bz2 at master · kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

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propably

6:14 PM

yes

6:14 PM

look arround this file

6:14 PM

@andi any directions?

there is some near-mainline thing around

6:16 PM

for that one

so?...

Last status was: "I will send you a pull request soon..." and silence

uhm crap

6:18 PM

so about that nia kernel things in the clara sources, where?...

6:18 PM

there was something, you discovered it?

I will ping that guy

okay?

6:19 PM

thanks

there is: arch/arm/boot/dts/imx6ull-e60u22b00.dts

6:20 PM

and that looks like the devicetree of that thing

6:20 PM

and the drivers seems to be there

6:20 PM

of that nia new edition thing

andi

and that looks like the devicetree of that thing

so there is a diffrent one? its propably not compatible?

at least two devicetrees needed for the different nias

6:22 PM

imx6sll-e60k02c00* is probably for the clara2e

i had hopes it was compatible, only the driver was missing

kobo seems to have switched the factory kernel of the old nias also to something newer supporting also the other pmic

andi

and the drivers seems to be there

only drivers, not the whole kernel?

that is what you need

andi

kobo seems to have switched the factory kernel of the old nias also to something newer supporting also the other pmic

from analysis of Kuratius' nickel dmesg output

so nickel is running on a newer one? cool...

andi

that is what you need

to patch up the old nia kernel?

well, most important thing is that the kernel has the drivers needed

6:27 PM

and if the devicetree says that there is the corresponding hardware, the drivers are then used

6:28 PM

well, newer kernel= also some defaced 4.1.15 kernel

6:29 PM

apparently kobo/netronix backported the pmic (bd-something) driver for libra2e/nia rev b/c from mainline to their old kernel

well okay

Szybet

to patch up the old nia kernel?

how to do that then

probably just compile the clara2e kernel

????????????????????

and put it on the nia

6:31 PM

the only important thing is that you put the right devicetree onto the sd card

device tree is the thing you wrote a tool to export?

yes

6:33 PM

well, the tool exports all the hidden partion stuff

6:33 PM

devicetree: in source form that are the .dts files in the kernel source

6:33 PM

in binary: some dtb files

it isin't just dd the file right? how to convert it to binary?

make CROSS_COMPILE=...... ARCH=arm dtbs

6:34 PM

in the kernel tree

and then dd it?

usually store it in a file accessible by the bootloader

6:35 PM

in the case for that ntx bootloader: prepend a header

6:36 PM

and do the dd

we will figure this out or ask later, thanks

andi

probably just compile the clara2e kernel

this sounds a bit insane, so the kernels are the same for those devices?

I really would think so

I'm completely lost, guys

mu88

I'm completely lost, guys

me too bro

mu88

This one? https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/blob/master/hw/imx6sll-clara2e/kernel.tar.bz2

download this, and try to compile

well, in the ideal world, you would publish one kernel git repo supporting all devices

i know

and for new, similar devices, you would just add the devicetree

6:42 PM

what I see here from ntx/kobo: they seem to have one 3.0.35 code base and one 4.1.15 code base

6:43 PM

and add support for different devices to it

Yeah, never ever assume the sources on their github are up to date (edited)

6:43 PM

They're not

6:43 PM

Nickel is almost always running a newer build

NiLuJe

Yeah, never ever assume the sources on their github are up to date (edited)

we know that

and publish some snapshots

Szybet

download this, and try to compile

How do I compile it? What tools do I need?

so if there is a devicetree for a new device

6:44 PM

and the drivers

6:44 PM

i would expect the device to be supported

mu88

How do I compile it? What tools do I need?

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/apps-on-kobo

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

Jesus

thats not jesus

6:46 PM

niAudio/apps-on-kobo at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

6:46 PM

thats jesus

Maybe it's easier to send you my Kobo ^^

um

6:47 PM

just try

6:48 PM

i hope you are joking

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6:48 PM

xD

ricoh,rc5t619 -> rohm,bd71828 ti,tps6518x -> silergy,sy7636 realtek,rtl8189fs -> marvell,sd8987-bt lm3630a-bl -> awinic,aw99703-bl cy,cyttsp5_i2c_adapter -> focaltech,fts5422

6:50 PM

short list of the hw changes

6:50 PM

between clara and clara 2e

Szybet

i hope you are joking

80% joke, 20% serious

6:53 PM

Just for my understanding: why do I have to use the Clara kernel for my Nia? Because the assumption is that Clara is the newer one and therefore fits for my Nia as well?

yea, @andi how

mu88

Just for my understanding: why do I have to use the Clara kernel for my Nia? Because the assumption is that Clara is the newer one and therefore fits for my Nia as well?

but propably yes

It's basically the same device, but the kernel snapshot is newer and ensures it actually has the dtb for yours, or at the very least the drivers for the newer hardware ;o) (edited)

well, they did not publish newer nia sources

Unlike the original Nia's drop

6:54 PM

TL;DR

so for a first try you can also just keep the factory dtb in place

And, yeah, dumping the dtb from your live device first might be a good idea (edited)

and recompile just the kernel

dtb means?

In case it's not actually there or still out of date in the source drop

devicetree binary

(I ship the devicetree tools in KoboStuff, in case something funky is needed to dump from a live system. Can't recall, been a while)

So from the manual, the very only chapter I should follow is https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md#kernel?

https://github.com/akemnade/kobo-firmware-extractor

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

extract-kobohidden nia2-bkup.img 1286 nia2-factory.dtb (edited)

6:58 PM

GitHub - akemnade/kobo-firmware-extractor: extracts firmware from h...

extracts firmware from hidden partitions on Kobo/Tolino ebook readers - GitHub - akemnade/kobo-firmware-extractor: extracts firmware from hidden partitions on Kobo/Tolino ebook readers

Short story long

I was looking for an E-Ink device to display my openHAB dashboard. After discovering InkBox, I bought a refurbished Nia and hoped that InkBox would suffice my needs with some kind of "easy going approach" - but now it's getting a little out of control

just too much low-level stuff for me... do you see any other approach?

7:11 PM

For example I could imagine to swap my Nia for another InkBox device that suffices my needs and donate my fresh Nia to your project...

well, if it is not about reading ebooks anymore, than maybe even something other than inkbox might fit

7:13 PM

there is some project with haslate and the Kobo Clara

7:13 PM

I think

7:13 PM

https://github.com/kevinior/haslate

GitHub - kevinior/haslate: HAslate - E-ink Home Assistant Dashboard

HAslate - E-ink Home Assistant Dashboard. Contribute to kevinior/haslate development by creating an account on GitHub.

mu88

For example I could imagine to swap my Nia for another InkBox device that suffices my needs and donate my fresh Nia to your project...

if you can afford it, we would be grateful

mu88

Short story long

I was looking for an E-Ink device to display my openHAB dashboard. After discovering InkBox, I bought a refurbished Nia and hoped that InkBox would suffice my needs with some kind of "easy going approach" - but now it's getting a little out of control

just too much low-level stuff for me... do you see any other approach?

andi is working on a port of postmarketOS and I'm helping with logs and testing

7:16 PM

it has a build script, but the only things we have working atm are booting, ssh, and screen is half-working

7:16 PM

but it's technically a more normal distro, so it may be easier to make software for (edited)

Kuratius

but it's technically a more normal distro, so it may be easier to make software for (edited)

Do you have an older Kobo that successfully works with the latest version of InkBox? I really don't care about reading ebooks or the latest hardware - I only need a more or less modern browser on an E-Ink device being always on

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I can run binaries

Kuratius

I can run binaries

inkbox is more... eink optimised

7:17 PM

qt for sure

mu88

Do you have an older Kobo that successfully works with the latest version of InkBox? I really don't care about reading ebooks or the latest hardware - I only need a more or less modern browser on an E-Ink device being always on

kobo clara with @andi postmarket os, then a decent browser may work for sure

7:18 PM

inkbox has an old browser

Depends on how usable you want that browser to be

7:19 PM

Spoiler alert: it'll never be on those devices (edited)

for clarification: postmarketOS on Nia is work-in-progress postmarketOS on Clara is working fully afaik

But, yeah, if you want a tried and true Kobo device for homebrews, the Clara HD is your best bet

7:20 PM

A browser will suck donkey balls on it, though

The browser would need to render a Vue.js web page, no big deal

javascript is a big deal

7:21 PM

but propably can be done

there's also some embedded browser stuff that servo is getting used for, but I'm fuzzy on the details

7:21 PM

I think igalia did work in that direction

servo, the rust browser?

there's also some other embedded browser framework, but I tcant remember the name

Yeah, I was going to say it might be easier to render to canvas and do stuff with that or... something (I suck at web techs ;D)

Szybet

servo, the rust browser?

yeah, I read something about igalia using it for their embedded project thingy

7:22 PM

https://people.igalia.com/mrego/servo/igalia-servo-tsc-2022/

servo rendered the fancy github page last time i checked, but it was buggy, no interactions possible

The globe one on the signed out landing page?

https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/10dfdi7/servo_to_advance_in_2023/

7:24 PM

https://ultralig.ht/ this was the other project I read about

Ultralight - Next-Generation HTML Renderer for Desktop Apps and Games

Oh, me likey.

Could anyone from you guys who has an up and running InkBox device try to access an openHAB page via the InkBox browser? This way I'd know at least whether I should continue going with InkBox or not...

sure

7:28 PM

give me a sec

https://www.igalia.com/project/wpe

WPE WebKit | Igalia - Open Source Consultancy and Development

WPE WebKit is being adopted in a wide range of industries, from cable operators to consumer electronic device manufacturers, with tens of millions of devices using it worldwide. Igalia can help you get the maximum performance out of your hardware by optimizing WPE WebKit for your needs.

7:28 PM

this is igalia's current project, I think it doesnt use servo

webkit is outdated as hell

I see

hmm, what does this haslate thing use?

can you send the link to this website?

@mu88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByvmEqJvZBU

Martijn Braam

postmarketOS on the Kobo Clara HD

7:34 PM

pmOS with browser on the clara

7:36 PM

history on that: someone took my kernel and did the initial pmOS

7:36 PM

port

7:36 PM

before I have taken over that port

Szybet

can you send the link to this website?

https://github.com/kevinior/haslate do you mean that?

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nope, the vue one

vue?

yes

7:41 PM

he was talking about

mu88

The browser would need to render a Vue.js web page, no big deal

link

I think the easiest way is to spawn openHAB via Docker: https://www.openhab.org/docs/installation/docker.html

Docker

a vendor and technology agnostic open source automation software for your home

any easier way?

8:08 PM

isint there a public demo?

8:08 PM

or smth

demo.openhab.org

8:26 PM

seems to work with midori

8:26 PM

and I use midori on the clara

if it works on midori, you can be pretty much sure @mu88

9:27 PM

we also have netsurf

I really, really hate all those wifi login pages which require some decent browser

10:03 PM

when you just want to check your mails

seems not to work with netsurf

welp

10:38 PM

are there any bare browsers based on khtml only?

Szybet

are there any bare browsers based on khtml only?

is this useful? https://github.com/qt/qtwebkit

GitHub - qt/qtwebkit: Qt Webkit

Qt Webkit. Contribute to qt/qtwebkit development by creating an account on GitHub.

doesnt work, too old kernels

11:04 AM

nickel also didnt used this, for the same reason

Szybet

if it works on midori, you can be pretty much sure @mu88

Thx, I really appreciate it! I assume Midori is InkBox' default browser?

not default, but its available

Cool. So would any of you be willing to trade your Kobo running the latest InkBox with mine?

doubt it

For example, what would it take to persuade you?

nothing

7:01 PM

i need my ereader

7:02 PM

i write notes on it in school

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/keyboard

niAudio/keyboard at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Looks like InkBox is a dead end with my current Kobo... Do you have any other ideas?

https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk `?

GitHub - NiLuJe/FBInk: FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library t...

FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print text & images to an eInk Linux framebuffer - GitHub - NiLuJe/FBInk: FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print t...

~~try and learn the things needed to port it...~~ ~~buy a new kobo~~ None ideas (edited)

Kuratius

https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk `?

dont you think porting inkbox is easier than writing an entire website in bare fbink?...

does it really need to be a website`?

7:22 PM

he just wants a dashboard right?

i dont think its that simple but yea, maybe

I want a browser

really only a more or less decent browser

either learn and try to port it or use money

7:40 PM

no other ways, really

@Kuratius @andi could you please try to run demo.openhab.org on postmarketOS? Maybe it's better for me to wait for the Kobo Nia's version of postmarketOS...

andi1 already did

Ah yeah, I see... so maybe I'm going to wait

@mu88 if you want that thing so bad, run an Xvfb server in a remote computer and access it with a vnc viewer on kobo. Then you can run firefox in the xvfb server (i.e. DISPLAY=:1 firefox probably) and access it that way

mu88

@Kuratius @andi could you please try to run demo.openhab.org on postmarketOS? Maybe it's better for me to wait for the Kobo Nia's version of postmarketOS...

with 256mb of ram, even postmarketos won't probably be able to load that website without crashing

1:18 AM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348481

A true VNC viewer (client) for Kobo - MobileRead Forums

A true VNC viewer (client) for Kobo Kobo Developer's Corner

1:19 AM

though I'm not sure that one supports touch yet (edited)

OH I KNOW

1:30 AM

https://github.com/ttalvitie/browservice

GitHub - ttalvitie/browservice: Browservice: Browse the modern web ...

Browservice: Browse the modern web on historical browsers - GitHub - ttalvitie/browservice: Browservice: Browse the modern web on historical browsers

1:30 AM

try to get this to run in the kobo browser

1:30 AM

maybe

1:30 AM

it could work

1:30 AM

can load youtube on imac g3

Another solution is to get an alpine chroot and try to run chromium inside

6:04 AM

Which is relatively easy on kindles because the steps have been documented

Apricot

Another solution is to get an alpine chroot and try to run chromium inside

Bro

7:32 AM

Ram

7:32 AM

No ram

7:32 AM

(on a Nia. Other Kobo devices usually have 512MB, which is slightly less worse)

7:37 PM

Caveat for sunxi devices, where the display driver reserves an hilarious amount of memory (on the upside, the Elipsa has 1G of RAM) (edited)

NiLuJe

Caveat for sunxi devices, where the display driver reserves an hilarious amount of memory (on the upside, the Elipsa has 1G of RAM) (edited)

How much

NiLuJe

(on a Nia. Other Kobo devices usually have 512MB, which is slightly less worse)

Yes Older devices are often stuck with 256m though Glo HD is a notable exception

tux-linux

How much

Something like 192MB or something? I'd have to check, but it's hilarious.

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5:15 PM

North of 150MB for sure

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hello

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YOU

6:52 PM

how its going

6:52 PM

with qt

6:53 PM

listen, I have a C project to do for uni

i do understand

when its finished I'll start messing more with it

Szybet

i do understand

just a heads up, I'm not giving up

6:54 PM

I'm slow thats all

6:54 PM

kek

6:55 PM

we are waiting

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@andi for that kobo nia c: how sure are you the clara kernel would work? and the current kernel booted into recovery - eink and touch work - does this indicate that it would work with the stock one?

3:08 PM

the current kernel booted into this recovery - with the same dtb as the regular nia - this should be a disaster, but it wasn't? what is your opinion on that?

I am quite sure that the clara2e kernel should work

5:12 PM

well, looking at the dtbs, it seems that boot state of regulators is good enough to have something working

5:12 PM

what definitively will not work is rtc, proper poweroff/reboot and displaying battery state

okay

andi

I am quite sure that the clara2e kernel should work

how much sure... i have access to this c variant, i will try to port it

5:13 PM

i dont want magic smoke

magic smoke by wrong kernel... probably less risk than any other accident that could happen

just make sure you use the factory devicetree

okay

what about regulator voltages? they are set in the kernel right?

0ut of curiosity, where did you get the c type nia?

someone got it and i have access to it and the person wants inkbox (edited)

8:39 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

regulator voltages are in the devicetree

you say this now?

8:41 PM

i thought its kernel dependent, so a wrong kernel would damage the device

Well, the kernel needs to have the driver for the regulator

8:43 PM

and the format of that devicetree section must match the expectation of the kernel

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bots bots bots?

11:26 AM

well you propably not

hello both!

Szybet

in a week or less i will release it

~~3 weeks~~ @Dominiac sanki is out if you still care

Szybet

~~3 weeks~~ @Dominiac sanki is out if you still care

https://github.com/Szybet/sanki

GitHub - Szybet/sanki: small anki rewritten for e-readers, with foc...

small anki rewritten for e-readers, with focus on inkbox support - GitHub - Szybet/sanki: small anki rewritten for e-readers, with focus on inkbox support

6:19 PM

there is a demo too

yes, I just saw it

6:25 PM

thats good stuff man

thanks

btw what language is that on the demo? (edited)

cursed polish

6:26 PM

don't try to translate

kekw

unrelated question: do you guys use vim/emacs?

I'm insane sometimes but not in that direction :D

I see I see

6:39 PM

I'll try vim eventualy I think its a very good investment

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4326830#post4326830

Anki compatible flashcard app for kobo's - MobileRead Forums

Anki compatible flashcard app for kobo's Kobo Developer's Corner

6:41 PM

i even posted it on this ugly forum

6:41 PM

i wonder if i will be banned if i mention that it's ugly in every possible post (edited)

eidoom joined the server. 5/30/2023 9:09 AM

Welcome

Thank you

I was checking the status of Clara HD, I see it's not ready yet. Also huge thank you to everyone working on InkBox!

It's not ready because everyone gived up

9:27 AM

Like 10 people already

9:27 AM

eidoom

Thank you

I was checking the status of Clara HD, I see it's not ready yet. Also huge thank you to everyone working on InkBox!

Any support is appreciated

Oh no!

Yep, sad

9:28 AM

It's not even that hard to do it, compared to other devices

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7:22 PM

Welcome

bompo

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Szybet

Like 10 people already

20?

12:55 AM

hello both

https://youtu.be/czRtF-UNiEY

Platima Tinkers

Ox64 SBC - Connecting, Flashing and Booting Linux! ($8 from Pine64)

1:45 AM

Seems neat

1:46 AM

Pico that can run a more normal Linux kernel (edited)

just curious, but has anyone tracked inkbox ram usage? (edited)

Cant remember, very low

non-zero chance it'd run on this if it can fit in 50-60MB

Arround 40 MB? Maybe lower or more?

5:30 PM

Welp yea

5:30 PM

Books would be slow

Szybet

Books would be slow

first open or subsequent ones too?

With the current reader - maybe even impossible ( it loads everything at once )

so probably requires somewhere between small to large architectural changes

5:32 PM

also I suddenly wonder if plato has that issue too

Kuratius

non-zero chance it'd run on this if it can fit in 50-60MB

If i ever got time and the resources to build an proper open source ereader, i would go with something like the pi 0 W

Kuratius

so probably requires somewhere between small to large architectural changes

Yes - but i already made a small demo / the beggining of the new ereader which is multi threaded, loads pages on request - works really fast too

mango pi is a riscv pi 0 zero clone I think but it's like $20-$50 depending on where you buy it

Kuratius

https://youtu.be/czRtF-UNiEY

I bought one of these yesterday (will arrive in a few weeks), if there's anything you want me to test let me know

Kuratius

mango pi is a riscv pi 0 zero clone I think but it's like $20-$50 depending on where you buy it

pi zeros and pis in general are somewhat hard to get atm

Welp does alpine work on it

Szybet

Welp does alpine work on it

I'll see if I can test that, but I think atm it still requires a special linux kernel

5:36 PM

will have to look into it

5:37 PM

(this applies to the Ox64, mango pi probably doesnt have issues)

5:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g18PMjjlcc&t=8s&ab_channel=ExplainingComputers

ExplainingComputers

Mango Pi MQ-Pro RISC-V SBC

5:37 PM

but I think it's too expensive atm

Kuratius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g18PMjjlcc&t=8s&ab_channel=ExplainingComputers

lol the mango pi was faster than the zero w

5:40 PM

I had remembered it being slower

5:41 PM

Kuratius

I'll see if I can test that, but I think atm it still requires a special linux kernel

https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Ox64

Ox64

We have done it

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7:43 PM

images should roll out in the following week

7:44 PM

after last-minute testing

~~no images no video - preview no testing~~

to come

lshevick joined the server. 6/12/2023 6:41 PM

Hello

Hello! Just installed InkBox on my Mini, looking forwards to 2.0!

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Welcome, Its almost done

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Deleted User joined the server. 6/12/2023 9:00 PM

hello again?

Haha sorry for that confusion, didn't realize I had joined with the wrong account

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https://github.com/atomic14/diy-esp32-epub-reader

GitHub - atomic14/diy-esp32-epub-reader: An ESP32 e-reader

An ESP32 e-reader. Contribute to atomic14/diy-esp32-epub-reader development by creating an account on GitHub.

9:13 PM

seems interesting

9:15 PM

they solved displaying epubs on esp32 to a degree

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Hello!

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I come with a question.. Back in 2014 I was playing with my kobo Mini and installed the debian image on it. (The one from Marek Gibek) I'm unable to do it again because I don't have that old sdcard, I gave the Mini away. It was given back to me just today. The Mini image of Debian is long gone from the sites... And the year is no longer 2014, there are newer software solutions. I have a funny objective: To run discord on the Mini. Don't ask why. It has wifi. Can Kobox do that? From what I gathered, Inkbox on the Mini contains Kobox apps and the Mini can run Inkbox. I was thinking the web version of Discord could be possible? Or am I just crazy for wanting to try that...

hello

1:41 PM

yes, a bit crazy trying to run javascript enabled browser on 255 Mb ram

1:41 PM

anyway

1:42 PM

give me a sec

1:44 PM

@dev

1:44 PM

#dev

Deleted User

I come with a question.. Back in 2014 I was playing with my kobo Mini and installed the debian image on it. (The one from Marek Gibek) I'm unable to do it again because I don't have that old sdcard, I gave the Mini away. It was given back to me just today. The Mini image of Debian is long gone from the sites... And the year is no longer 2014, there are newer software solutions. I have a funny objective: To run discord on the Mini. Don't ask why. It has wifi. Can Kobox do that? From what I gathered, Inkbox on the Mini contains Kobox apps and the Mini can run Inkbox. I was thinking the web version of Discord could be possible? Or am I just crazy for wanting to try that...

Mini is too weak for this You'd need at least 512m of RAM

1:48 PM

It will crash continuously

Good to know, thank you

so vnc is the only option then

Yes

Deleted User

I come with a question.. Back in 2014 I was playing with my kobo Mini and installed the debian image on it. (The one from Marek Gibek) I'm unable to do it again because I don't have that old sdcard, I gave the Mini away. It was given back to me just today. The Mini image of Debian is long gone from the sites... And the year is no longer 2014, there are newer software solutions. I have a funny objective: To run discord on the Mini. Don't ask why. It has wifi. Can Kobox do that? From what I gathered, Inkbox on the Mini contains Kobox apps and the Mini can run Inkbox. I was thinking the web version of Discord could be possible? Or am I just crazy for wanting to try that...

Run a matrix or irc client with a discord mirror, or one of the alternate discord clients if you can get them to work

2:05 PM

Don't use web tech

2:05 PM

It'll be an awful experience if you do anything other than screen mirroring

I have no idea which channel to use for this, but well. If I was to buy a new e-reader with this in mind (being able to use discord in either its web or app form, after installing different OS) Is there any that is powerful enough/could do it? It seems very specific, but I'm essentially trying to turn an e-reader into a tablet with limited options.

there are costly eink android tablets

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I have no idea which channel to use for this, but well. If I was to buy a new e-reader with this in mind (being able to use discord in either its web or app form, after installing different OS) Is there any that is powerful enough/could do it? It seems very specific, but I'm essentially trying to turn an e-reader into a tablet with limited options.

apart from that, @tux-linux what kobo device is the most powerfull hardware wise

Glo hd

3:29 PM

Or Libra

3:29 PM

That can run InkBox

Deleted User

I have no idea which channel to use for this, but well. If I was to buy a new e-reader with this in mind (being able to use discord in either its web or app form, after installing different OS) Is there any that is powerful enough/could do it? It seems very specific, but I'm essentially trying to turn an e-reader into a tablet with limited options.

Buy an ereader or tablet that runs android

3:32 PM

Otherwise you will have constant headaches because ereaders are usually not running android. Using more optimized software and apps means better battery life, that's why android isn't that popular for ereaders. (edited)

3:35 PM

Lenovo smart paper, boox, etc run android

3:36 PM

Though you should not bank on it being possible to install a different OS

3:37 PM

Lenovo Smart paper has a chance of that since I heard it uses similar hardware as the pineNote thingy, but that one doesn't have a usable non-android os yet

Kuratius

Otherwise you will have constant headaches because ereaders are usually not running android. Using more optimized software and apps means better battery life, that's why android isn't that popular for ereaders. (edited)

Also worth mentioning, discord is not optimized software

3:42 PM

It's based on electron, lags like hell, and it's a buggy pos in general. I've had times where it mixed messages from different servers and people, and confused who the sender was

3:43 PM

The more you can get away from anything Web tech based, the less you have to buy new hardware in the future

Thank you for the extensive answer. I'm looking up the ones you mentioned..

scratch that, tolino vision 6 runs android, libra 2 doesnt I thought there was a kobo with android too, will check (edited)

3:56 PM

https://ereaders.ewritable.com/

admin

e-Reader Comparison Table

3:56 PM

guess there isnt

3:57 PM

(also dont take this table at face value, the person who made it doesnt really know what they're doing)

3:58 PM

they still havent fixed kobo readers having an sd card slot

3:58 PM

still says no slot

So I decided to purchase an android e-reader. I guess that's the end of this - since I won't be using kobox or inkbox, there is no reason to stay here. Thank all of you for all the help! I would be bashing against the glass of incompatibility like a moth if not for you xD

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I use a boox note 2 air plus, works quite good

9:41 PM

expensive though

I chose boox tab ultra c, which is very expensive but since I am searching for a device to use instead of computer and I have savings, it seemed appropriate. Anyway. Good luck!

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klöjöjölkö joined the server. 6/18/2023 11:07 AM

welcome you

klöjöjölkö

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Kuratius

Also worth mentioning, discord is not optimized software

11:40 AM

Discord, ladies amd gentlemen

?

11:41 AM

Spot the difference

time

11:41 AM

order

11:41 AM

lol

Who wrote what?

11:42 AM

Discord is a buggy POS

do we move to matrix

11:42 AM

or better

11:43 AM

bother @tux-linux to give me permissions and i will set up a bridge

look at this then look at the date 16/09/2022 (edited)

6:32 AM

Driving_E_Ink_Displays.pdf

1.18 MB

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Seems to imply 3x voltage=1/3 refresh time

12:22 PM

15V 720 ms 5V 240ms Exactly as I predicted

12:22 PM

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/32/c3/b9/ad5a77e93737f5/US5961804.pdf aayy

1:43 PM

basically the same formula that I derived (edited)

1:44 PM

only difference is instead of q they have epsilon zeta

1:46 PM

also I think I know what may have happened with the display tux ruined with a wrong waveform

1:47 PM

the patent says that it can happen that the particles stick together and form clumps

1:47 PM

so if you drive the display in the same direction for too long you probably get clumps at the electrode as the particles bunch up and don't repel each other

So too high voltage? So it would be possible to create a waveform that would be maybe not great, but wouldnt damage the screen?

kindle touch has that

I think it's partially voltage and partially not applying that voltage when a pixel is already black. Like, you can apply a higher voltage for a short time if the pixel is white and you are trying to drive it black

tux-linux

kindle touch has that

you mean the waveform?

2:06 PM

sorry context is not clear

Szybet

So too high voltage? So it would be possible to create a waveform that would be maybe not great, but wouldnt damage the screen?

I'd say that's probably correct, you have more freedom to play around with the waveform if you use a slower refresh/lower voltage

2:08 PM

but still eink burn in/damage is something I've not heard about in a long time

Kuratius

you mean the waveform?

yes it has a 'default' waveform with a lot of imperfections but that is embedded in kernel code to work with any device

so maybe modern displays have safeguards or better engineered microparticles that dont bunch up easily, or "unclump" after a while

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/971524185815928934/972340661527392296

I'm looking at the mechanism that gives the particles charge atm

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/971524185815928934/972513916766789709 distorted images

tux-linux

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/971524185815928934/972340661527392296

there's two arrays, are they for black->white and white->black refreshes?

No, I think they are alternative formats

2:12 PM

look here https://github.com/fread-ink/inkwave

GitHub - fread-ink/inkwave: Convert electronic paper display wavefo...

Convert electronic paper display waveforms from .wbf to .wrf format - GitHub - fread-ink/inkwave: Convert electronic paper display waveforms from .wbf to .wrf format

https://confit.atlas.jp/guide/event-img/idw2019/EP1-3/public/pdf_archive?type=in

interesting (edited)

tux-linux pinned a message to this channel. 6/19/2023 3:16 PM

Woah cool

3:16 PM

Maybe create a thread with all these things

https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Analytical_Chemistry/Analytical_Chemistry_2.1_(Harvey)/12%3A_Chromatographic_and_Electrophoretic_Methods/12.07%3A_Electrophoresis Also interesting

12.7: Electrophoresis

Electrophoresis is a class of separation techniques in which we separate analytes by their ability to move through a conductive medium—usually an aqueous buffer—in response to an applied …

Kuratius started a thread. 6/19/2023 5:35 PM

also: found the driver used for the eink badger 2040 https://github.com/pimoroni/pimoroni-pico/blob/main/micropython/modules/picographics/picographics.cpp } else if (display == DISPLAY_INKY_PACK) { self->display = m_new_class(UC8151, width, height, (Rotation)rotate, spi_bus); https://github.com/pimoroni/pimoroni-pico/blob/main/drivers/uc8151/uc8151.cpp

pimoroni-pico/micropython/modules/picographics/picographics.cpp at ...

Libraries and examples to support Pimoroni Pico add-ons in C++ and MicroPython. - pimoroni-pico/micropython/modules/picographics/picographics.cpp at main · pimoroni/pimoroni-pico

pimoroni-pico/drivers/uc8151/uc8151.cpp at main · pimoroni/pimoroni...

Libraries and examples to support Pimoroni Pico add-ons in C++ and MicroPython. - pimoroni-pico/drivers/uc8151/uc8151.cpp at main · pimoroni/pimoroni-pico

11:02 PM

I hope it's possible to force it to produce grayscale

11:02 PM

would be cool

https://docs.rs/uc8151/latest/src/uc8151/lib.rs.html#1-469 also found this

lib.rs - source

Source of the Rust file src/lib.rs.

11:15 PM

it has 1 more refresh speed than the original implementation

11:16 PM

https://github.com/9names/uc8151-rs found the repo

GitHub - 9names/uc8151-rs: A Rust port of Pimoroni's uc8151 driver

A Rust port of Pimoroni's uc8151 driver. Contribute to 9names/uc8151-rs development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:19 PM

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D/blob/main/adafruit_uc8151d.py

Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D/adafruit_uc8151d.py at main · adafru...

CircuitPython displayio driver for UC8151D-based ePaper displays - Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D/adafruit_uc8151d.py at main · adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D

https://docs.circuitpython.org/projects/il0373/en/latest/index.html https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D/blob/main/adafruit_uc8151d.py

Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D/adafruit_uc8151d.py at main · adafru...

CircuitPython displayio driver for UC8151D-based ePaper displays - Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D/adafruit_uc8151d.py at main · adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_UC8151D

lovro joined the server. 6/22/2023 8:26 PM

lovro

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Hello

8:26 PM

people are coming

coincidence?

3 day account

8:27 PM

hmm

8:39 PM

what

8:39 PM

is this a bot

8:40 PM

he left

then it's not a bot (edited)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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aimee511 joined the server. 6/23/2023 3:14 AM

Hello all

special_fish joined the server. 6/23/2023 9:29 PM

hello

9:30 PM

what brings you here

Hello! Just interested in the OS, have a couple of old ereaders that might benefit from something like this.

nice, which ones?

A Nia and a Kindle my parents have, not sure about the Kindle, I think it's in a drawer somewhere

Nia must be the most popular inkbox os device @Szybet

9:33 PM

you have a kindle touch?

special_fish

A Nia and a Kindle my parents have, not sure about the Kindle, I think it's in a drawer somewhere

well which nia model

oh yes, that issue

tux-linux

Nia must be the most popular inkbox os device @Szybet

I am not sure of the model, I think they bought it back like 2017 or something.

so its propably compatible

well, it's probably too recent

check the wiki for the issue

we only support the original Kindle Touch from like 2011 or so

ccadi joined the server. 6/24/2023 4:42 PM

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What brings you here

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Hello

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What brings you here

alexanderi96 (the_real_stego) joined the server. 6/25/2023 4:33 PM

let me say that

4:33 PM

Hello

4:33 PM

What brings you here

4:33 PM

:D

Hi everyone

4:35 PM

Was just browsing the web searching for a usable Linux alternative for my Clara HD. Atm I have PostmarketOS with sxmo but it is far from usable. 10 mins ago I discovered this project and wanted to check it out

Nice, I bought a Clara HD recently and I will try to port it once it arrives. I am the main developer of the project. Everyone tried to port it during like one year and a half but either gave up or didn't have the time

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so you can try to help port it :D

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I will do it @alexanderi96 (the_real_stego) you can be a tester

tux-linux

Nice, I bought a Clara HD recently and I will try to port it once it arrives. I am the main developer of the project. Everyone tried to port it during like one year and a half but either gave up or didn't have the time

Yes actually I found the link to the discord in the Clara HD issue on the GitHub repo

4:37 PM

I can do some testing for it!

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4:37 PM

Just need to figure out how to hook up at the serial port

Do you think you will still be there in three weeks?

4:40 PM

Most people come here and leave the following day

Absolutely, I like those types of things and I would be more than happy to help if possible

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tux-linux

Do you think you will still be there in three weeks?

he has already pm os, have higher hopes please

Szybet

he has already pm os, have higher hopes please

true but still

I guess the other guys were not as patient as expected

you can look up #dev of why we are so pesymistic about newcomers

I know that this is not plug and play stuff, so no problem for me

also scroll up, 70% dont even say hello

alexanderi96 (the_real_stego)

I know that this is not plug and play stuff, so no problem for me

good

4:47 PM

you can start look arround #deleted-channel

4:48 PM

as for serial port, there are guides on the internet, i think you will figure it out. If any questions, feel free to ask

alexanderi96 (the_real_stego)

I know that this is not plug and play stuff, so no problem for me

when I say the word u-boot, does that ring a bell for you?

Szybet

also scroll up, 70% dont even say hello

Lol I know. I also joined the beepberry discord Last month and now that the project gained more popularity most of the newcomers just join and ask stuff without saying hello or reading the FAQs most of the times

most of our newcomers always did that

tux-linux

when I say the word u-boot, does that ring a bell for you?

So, I'm not so fluent in this stuff. Never debugged a boot process before and stuff like that, but I know that it is the bootloader of many devices. Not totally sure if it is stored on the first sectors of the memory card or not

4:50 PM

I have a lot to learn lol

alexanderi96 (the_real_stego)

So, I'm not so fluent in this stuff. Never debugged a boot process before and stuff like that, but I know that it is the bootloader of many devices. Not totally sure if it is stored on the first sectors of the memory card or not

ok, good, you passed the test

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Nice! Anyway, today I'm not at the pc, but by tomorrow I can try some stuff and dig more on the past discussions of the server ✌️

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Spagett joined the server. 6/26/2023 11:48 AM

Gday

Just found out about inkbox 10 minutes ago haha

from where if i can ask

Someone shared it to me in another discord server

very cool

Brodie Robertsons server, a Linux youtuber

i watched some of this videos

11:51 AM

cool guy

Im wondering if inkbox supports the Kobo glo n514? I don't see it on the supported devices page but other glo models are

another glo, wow

11:52 AM

well wait for @tux-linux he will answer

11:53 AM

and propably, it's not supported. You could help porting it

Gotcha, I've never done porting before but it sounds interesting

some compiling / debugging / linux stuff

Worst case scenario I'll back up the SD card and try one of the existing ports, I ran some random Linux port on it a while back haha

dont do it

Szybet

some compiling / debugging / linux stuff

I mean that I can do

Spagett

Worst case scenario I'll back up the SD card and try one of the existing ports, I ran some random Linux port on it a while back haha

its more complicated than that, you could damage your eink screen or even start a fire, don't

Szybet

dont do it

I just did it on a separate SD card

what did you did

Szybet

its more complicated than that, you could damage your eink screen or even start a fire, don't

Interesting, didn't know that was a possibility

Szybet

what did you did

A while back I flashed the Linux release to the sd card after taking a full backup of it, plugged it in, realised it was for a different sized screen model, reflashed the backup, and then didn't think about it for quite a while

good that nothing happened

Yeah haha

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mmathias

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12:35 PM

a lot of people are joining, welcome

Spagett

Im wondering if inkbox supports the Kobo glo n514? I don't see it on the supported devices page but other glo models are

? N514 is the aura original and It's not supported, sorry

12:40 PM

Why are you saying it's a Glo

Hmm, that was what was in the about page, lemme double check maybe I typed it in wrong

its writed on your devices somewhere

12:41 PM

small text

Szybet

what did you did

What did you do

tux-linux

What did you do

Another reason to contribute to InkBox: you learn English

jakbym miał wybór to bym wolał nie znać wgl polskiego a tylko angielski, to jest klątwa

tux-linux

? N514 is the aura original and It's not supported, sorry

Ah I found it written on the bottom of the device, it's a n613 which is supported

I was confused from this page in the settings haha

what

What

how do you know then its n613

It is written on the bottom

Do you have a full picture of the device

no way

12:47 PM

send it

tux-linux

Do you have a full picture of the device

Sure, 1 sec

12:48 PM

It's a Glo

12:48 PM

Supported but you write the image to the internal SD card And you make a backup of it before

Yeah, I was pretty certain it was, not sure what's up with that settings page showing N514 lol

what

12:49 PM

tux-linux

Supported but you write the image to the internal SD card And you make a backup of it before

Yeah, I've done a backup via dd before when I messed around with getting Linux on it a while back from some random forum posts (which I've just learned may not have been a great idea)

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Did you use the custom Debian image thing?

Something like that, I believe it was Debian, it came as multiple partitions, I got it running but the screen was off (the image wrapped around weirdly) so I think it was for a slightly different model

12:52 PM

So I ended up just flashing back the factory os

Did it say it was for Glo

I really don't remember

12:54 PM

This was about a year ago

12:54 PM

I think it was but not completely sure

Can you post a picture of the screen refreshing when you interact with nickel?

12:54 PM

Video

12:54 PM

I mean

Nickels the default Kobo shell yeah? (edited)

Yea

Sure

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12:56 PM

looks good

Well, the image should work for you If not you can replace the waveform Szybet can explain I will sleep a little more

Thanks, I'm sure I'll be able to figure it out, if not I'll ask here

thanks

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Spagett

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This doesn't say n613 anywhere

Kuratius

This doesn't say n613 anywhere

its very small along the bottom edge of it

Spagett

its very small along the bottom edge of it

Where?

2:10 PM

its too small for my phone to show clearly up close

2:10 PM

and its rubbed off a bit

2:11 PM

but in person its clear enough to read it

2:12 PM

its n613 without a doubt

It's a Glo

what the fuck

huh, if you zoom in you can see the model number

2:13 PM

honestly suprised the phone cam showed it (edited)

2:14 PM

now time to wait for my lovely internet to download this haha

Ouch

2:15 PM

What server

try the mirror

2:15 PM

please

just my internet

Ok

are you sure?

not a server issue

I understand

100%

ok ok

Szybet

are you sure?

its going up to 127 kbs which is my max (im using a hotspot after its run out since i only pay for 5gb a month so 127 kbs is what i get after that 5gb lol) (edited)

Oh nice

thats very bad

I have that on my mobile plan too

2:17 PM

1g then 16kb/s unlimited

2:17 PM

It's useful

my mobile plan was to buy a sim card for 5$ and i have 0,5 Mb/s all the time, but i need to make a captcha every hour

mine is enough for 480p youtube so i really dont need more, just means downloading stuff takes a while.

Mobile plans are way too expensive in Canada so

im in australia, unfortunately the price of mine went up a couple months ago

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Spagett

now time to wait for my lovely internet to download this haha

did it... finish?

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hello

9:09 PM

what brings you here

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I've been following the project since last year when I put 1.5 on my kobo mini a while back (with mixed results) and saw 2.0 was out and then noticed theres a discord so here I am

nice

9:34 PM

I think you will be a bit blown out by the changes

blown away you mean perhaps?

yes

blown out is a negative

Well, french canadian here

9:35 PM

so you know

oh cool, im in winnipeg

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9:37 PM

saw the kindle support might have to grab one if I see them in a thrift store

@tux-linux explain

9:37 PM

him the kindle thing

no i get it

9:37 PM

i did my research

Why do you want it on a Kindle if you have a Mini

why not !

9:39 PM

I have a few e-readers I tend to collect them

9:41 PM

got a kobo clara HD from clearance at walmart last year, got a kobo aura n514 (unsupported) from thrift store, got a kobo mini, got an old sony ereader.

i probably have more than 10 ereaders at home too

9:41 PM

i "collect" them in the porting process

My mini touchscreen has been unresponsive since I changed out the screen from aliexpress since the previous one had a dead pixel, but it's probably fixable I just haven't bothered

9:46 PM

anyways if I find a supported model amazon kindle for less than $20 at a thrift store I just think it'd be fun to have a good open source OS on it just out of spite for Amazon

9:47 PM

it'd be nice to see a completely open hardware ebook reader running on inkbox OS one day though

matr1x

it'd be nice to see a completely open hardware ebook reader running on inkbox OS one day though

if the project will be very succesfull, i could design it

9:49 PM

i have a bit of experience with pcb design & case design & 3d printing

Szybet

if the project will be very succesfull, i could design it

so if you want it, help it to be successful

would it really need anything more powerful than an rpi zero 2w though

i exactly plan to use that or a clone of it

well I look forward to seeing what you come up with

it will never happen if the project loses interest

kind of a catch-22

?

if ebook readers are seen by people as good enough as is, people won't seek out alternative firmwares or alternative hardware

10:01 PM

especially if replacing a firmware is too difficult for most people

10:02 PM

if theres an open source OS like inkbox paired with open hardware that goes above and beyond what a kindle or kobo reader offer, people will perhaps take more interest

inkbox already offers more

pinenote:

its interesting to note that a web search for inkbox brings up a majority results some sort of tattoo company

Szybet

inkbox already offers more

yes but no one cares

tux-linux

pinenote:

its too expensive anyway

10:03 PM

i think inkbox should focus on cheap ereaders

like what sort of features do people want? I guess reading comicbooks, perhaps a weather report screensaver type mode, or a flip clock mode

flip clock is cool

ye we plan to add such things

i added it to todo

perhaps user apps?

no

yes?

it's nice like that

10:04 PM

probably very simple to make

10:04 PM

a built-in app

oh ok

10:04 PM

sure

i remember some people hacked their kobo minis into GPS http://www.dotmana.com/weblog/2014/05/kobo-mini-gps-mod/

Tweepy

Kobo mini GPS mod with 3D printed case

look at xsoard

xcsoar

ye

yeah thats what that is

basically that

its easy to get carried away with features though

anyone remember these books.. would be interesting to compare what kind of games/apps could be (or already are) implemented on an e-reader

inkbox supports simon tatham's puzzles

thats a good collection

yes, I remember playing some of these last year in my history class when it was too boring

11:31 PM

ereaders go unnoticed more easily

they do look more book-like, especially if they're in a leather/plastic case

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hello what brings you here

ATM... Just checkin' out how good the discussion about InkBox will be.

1

tux-linux

did it... finish?

Nah I had to go to bed unfortunately

1

12:25 AM

Gonna give it another crack today

1

2.0 may be too much for my Mini

why

Keyboard backspace doesn't register taps. And mini will freeze on some dialogs

Can you take a video of the screen refreshing?

12:42 AM

when it freezes, does it show a splash screen with an ascii bomb on it?

I will take video later tonight. Should I move this to #bugs?

#dev

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12:49 AM

thanks

12:49 AM

it may be a waveform issue

tux-linux

when it freezes, does it show a splash screen with an ascii bomb on it?

also, this

well TIL you can add commands to KDE connect, so I added /bin/xkill in case my desktop freezes lol

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hello what brings you here

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@aaaaaaaas dont ignore him

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hello! what brings you here?

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hello, what brings you here?

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Hi there! I have a Kobo Clara HD not yet supported. There is an open issue on Github. In the thread, this Discord server was mentionned. I'm here te check the news

it will be ported soon

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hello, what brings you here?

9:24 PM

make it a nick Matrix bot or smth

9:25 PM

not like on the pine matrix channel

9:25 PM

you didnt knowed what this is

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hello! what brings you here?

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hello, what brings you here?

tux-linux

It's on irc.libera.chat , channel ##inkbox-chat

You know I once got it working on this thing

tux-linux

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@Szybet

i see

10:34 PM

still irc bad

ok

10:34 PM

maybe you can get one of those javascript clients to run in midori

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hello, what brings you here?hello, what brings you here?

hello ^-^ tried inkbox on my kobo glo & really like it :) just kinda looking around

cool

Lenovo smart paper is apparently available now

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Hello, what brings you here?

hi, did the wave, but just saying hello

1

2:06 AM

i recently got a kobo libra2, wanted to test out inkbox

2:07 AM

looks pretty awesome

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You have to have the will to port it yourself

good times

We are two people working on this and receiving almost no donations, so we can't buy every Kobo device ever

We will be pleased to help you port it if you want, but you need the will to do it

out of curiosity, do you have a patreon?

2:08 AM

(or similar ofc) (edited)

No, PayPal

2:10 AM

We can help you port it if you want You don't have to donate

link?

2:10 AM

(and i understand, thank you?)

https://paypal.me/NicolasMailloux/

Pay Nicolas Mailloux using PayPal.Me

Go to paypal.me/NicolasMailloux and type in the amount. Since it’s PayPal, it's easy and secure. Don’t have a PayPal account? No worries.

2:11 AM

Sorry for bothering you

no no, you're not, I asked!

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bonjour

12:53 PM

am I the mouse or the trap?

im the mouse

12:54 PM

cheese is goood

anyway, what brings you here

Looking to see if I can get inkbox on my kobo clara HD

oh

12:55 PM

well

12:55 PM

soon, yes

12:55 PM

it will be ported

oh nice

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7:29 PM

hello, popped in because i just got a Kobo Glo HD a little while ago and decided to try InkBox... having some trouble with KoBox apps

Hello, well which ones (edited)

all of them, they start up in two small windows side by side (while the touch actions still think it's full screen)

which version of inkbox do you have

2.0 for the Glo HD

eh...

7:39 PM

@tux-linux problems

7:43 PM

@milankolia its hard to use xorg on eink screens, we have spend a long time on this and there are still problems. Consider helping us in any way ( root the device, gather logs... )

yeah, i can try gathering more information about this bug

can you into linux?

yeah, i use Linux on my main machine

good, cool

7:47 PM

first root the device in diagnostics mode

how do i do that? and oh, by the way, my Kobo has some trouble with USB connection

usb port damaged propably?

yeah, might be

reboot the device, spam the power button while turning on

Szybet

reboot the device, spam the power button while turning on

you will enter diagnostics, select root and thats it

"reset and allow root access"?

yes

8:09 PM

it will reset

8:09 PM

so no books

milankolia

all of them, they start up in two small windows side by side (while the touch actions still think it's full screen)

oh no

8:10 PM

does it do that every single time? (edited)

8:10 PM

well, rooting it could help, only that fact, even without debugging

Szybet

so no books

i had nothing on it yet as i just got into testing it. the reset asks for onboard storage size, do i go with default 64MB?

go with 512

min. 256

this should be automatic anyway

8:12 PM

@tux-linux balena etcher is resizing the last partition in such a way that a fsck on the file system enables to use the whole sd card, not only the specified space

tux-linux

does it do that every single time? (edited)

yeah, it's consistent. also, even when i managed to quit something, it'd just halt and the only thing i could do is shut it down

?

8:13 PM

ok, root it and it means i've not done my job correctly :/

it works for the nia tho

8:13 PM

i think

8:13 PM

maybe

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Szybet

@tux-linux balena etcher is resizing the last partition in such a way that a fsck on the file system enables to use the whole sd card, not only the specified space

i used dd to make the SD card, i was going to just resize manually

milankolia

i used dd to make the SD card, i was going to just resize manually

well its low level stuff, not for you

currently "Restoring"

can take ~20m

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Szybet

well its low level stuff, not for you

did it with the original Kobo firmware when changing the SD card with no problem (edited)

resizing it on inkbox is more complicated

well as i said @tux-linux

8:16 PM

fsck, some math on onboard size, 1h of resizing and its done

the wiki says to do it anyways, using growpart and resize2fs (edited)

not only growing a partition

8:18 PM

but well, you can follow the wiki as well

the splash screen came up already

ok, start it, test kobox again and if it works then it means i've not done my job properly again

i think it's still pondering stuff behind that splash screen, but yeah, i'll do that

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welp, seems to work now?

8:43 PM

you are welcome

8:43 PM

we are f*cked

thanks :'D

8:44 PM

We have worked a week on this, whole days

8:44 PM

and it still doesnt work

might just be something in that image file

8:48 PM

i can imagine it's pretty frustrating to work hard and still get people running into some bugs

milankolia

might just be something in that image file

nope, impossible

milankolia

i can imagine it's pretty frustrating to work hard and still get people running into some bugs

its normal in software development

yeah, i've heard all about it, i study computer sciences myself lol

cool

8:51 PM

we are looking for contributors ;)

it'd be nice to contribute but i've still got a lot to learn... i've only been coding simple stuff for Arduinos and ESP32s for now

I and tux-linux have come to this project with little experience

8:58 PM

i learned c++ with it, and my background also were only arduinos and esp's

well, i am on a C summer course right now (along with Python one), wouldn't be a stretch to move to C++ from that haha

yea

9:25 PM

C++ is in the middle of C and python

liberodark joined the server. 7/2/2023 10:06 PM

Hi

10:13 PM

Which Kobo would you recommend for using InkBox?

Also can you have plan to support https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ (one day) ?

PINE64

PineNote | PINE64

Quad-Core Rockchip RK3566 @ 1.8 GHz 1404×1872 (227 DPI) 16 grayscale multi-touch Eink panel Wacom EMR Pen Digitizer Up to 4GB of LPDDR4 RAM Built-in 802.11ac WiFi with Bluetooth 5.

liberodark

Which Kobo would you recommend for using InkBox?

Glo i think

liberodark

Hi

Szybet

Glo i think

Ok this model have usb-c ? (edited)

liberodark

Also can you have plan to support https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ (one day) ?

We talked with the developers - pine doesnt supply devices to developers and we dont have the funds to buy them

Szybet

We talked with the developers - pine doesnt supply devices to developers and we dont have the funds to buy them

I can provide you with one for free.

liberodark

Ok this model have usb-c ? (edited)

No, only kobo clara 2E has a usb c port, and its not supported, you would need to port it

liberodark

I can provide you with one for free.

What

Szybet

No, only kobo clara 2E has a usb c port, and its not supported, you would need to port it

arf ok

Szybet

What

Yes

How

liberodark

arf ok

Or donate enough money for us to buy and then port

10:28 PM

But uhm thats a lot

liberodark

Also can you have plan to support https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ (one day) ?

if someone gets their hands on one of these, there is a pmOS port for it and there are ways to port inkbox for a lot faster since you already have a booting kernel in that case

10:29 PM

also likely lenovo smart paper is easier to get than the pineNote and has similar hardware

Kuratius

if someone gets their hands on one of these, there is a pmOS port for it and there are ways to port inkbox for a lot faster since you already have a booting kernel in that case

have try pmos on pinephone

so probably check if the smart paper allows flashing a different OS

Kuratius

also likely lenovo smart paper is easier to get than the pineNote and has similar hardware

Does it have a linux kernel working?

liberodark

have try pmos on pinephone

it's more about the kernel and driver stuff

Szybet

Does it have a linux kernel working?

It has an android port, but that's not normal linux

I doubt it, lenovo uses android

android open source project is what it runs

Szybet

I doubt it, lenovo uses android

same SoC as the pine Note (edited)

10:30 PM

so maybe minimal changes needed

Kuratius

same SoC as the pine Note (edited)

rk3566 or something

Porting from android to linux is hard, most of the cases impossible ( thats why we dont have many linux phones )

Szybet

Or donate enough money for us to buy and then port

It is also possible. I'm quite a fan of your work I think it's good to have an solution oss for Kobo even if I don't use kobo I'll take one to use your OS. But I have a big preference for the PineNote (edited)

Kuratius

so maybe minimal changes needed

No...

Szybet

Porting from android to linux is hard, most of the cases impossible ( thats why we dont have many linux phones )

like I said likely the existing pineNote pmOS only needs a few things to get it to boot

Kuratius

like I said likely the existing pineNote pmOS only needs a few things to get it to boot

https://github.com/DorianRudolph/pinenotes (edited)

GitHub - DorianRudolph/pinenotes: Notes about PineNote development

Notes about PineNote development. Contribute to DorianRudolph/pinenotes development by creating an account on GitHub.

Szybet

No...

I don't see how it's that different from the thing that was done when porting the clara kernel for the nia

liberodark

It is also possible. I'm quite a fan of your work I think it's good to have an solution oss for Kobo even if I don't use kobo I'll take one to use your OS. But I have a big preference for the PineNote (edited)

Cool, thanks Well your decission, we appreciate any kind of support and donations

liberodark

https://github.com/DorianRudolph/pinenotes (edited)

We know, we already explored the topic

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liberodark

It is also possible. I'm quite a fan of your work I think it's good to have an solution oss for Kobo even if I don't use kobo I'll take one to use your OS. But I have a big preference for the PineNote (edited)

you cant buy the pineNote right and it's uncertain if you ever will again

Kuratius

you cant buy the pineNote right and it's uncertain if you ever will again

They often have out of stock. I will directly ask.

10:34 PM

If there is, I'll send it to you.

liberodark

They often have out of stock. I will directly ask.

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/PINE64_PineNote_(pine64-pinenote)

PINE64 PineNote (pine64-pinenote)

10:34 PM

see here

Kuratius

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/PINE64_PineNote_(pine64-pinenote)

Yep have read this wiki (edited)

there is already an OS for the pineNote

Kuratius

I don't see how it's that different from the thing that was done when porting the clara kernel for the nia

Android uses diffrent drivers Linux may not have them If they dont share the pinout, or its not in the android source then there will be problems with finding connections between chips

10:35 PM

Arm is not PC - acpi, bios, standarisations dont exist

10:35 PM

You cant just ask the bridge if there is usb - there is no bridge

I guess we'd know more if the had images of the pcb

10:40 PM

if they happen to have the same chips then that makes everything much more likely to work

10:40 PM

for all I know the only difference is a different epd module

In any case as soon as I have the reader I will have it sent to you to @Szybet or @Kuratius as you want.

10:42 PM

I hope to run Inkbox on this ereader. (one day) (edited)

probably send to @Szybet if you want a quick port, I just did a lot of logging for the Nia port, most of the work digging through docs and adjusting driver/kernel sources was from andi

10:43 PM

(I say most - basically all of it)

Kuratius

probably send to @Szybet if you want a quick port, I just did a lot of logging for the Nia port, most of the work digging through docs and adjusting driver/kernel sources was from andi

Ok

liberodark

In any case as soon as I have the reader I will have it sent to you to @Szybet or @Kuratius as you want.

how are you planning to get it?

10:43 PM

is there some secret pine64 backchannel? or are you talking about the lenovo?

Kuratius

is there some secret pine64 backchannel? or are you talking about the lenovo?

Im speak about pinenote (pine64)

Kuratius

is there some secret pine64 backchannel? or are you talking about the lenovo?

I dont know lenovo ereader

liberodark

Im speak about pinenote (pine64)

so how are you going to get it? they are not manufacturing them right now (edited)

Kuratius

so how are you going to get it? they are not manufacturing them right now (edited)

Two solutions either I will have to ask an acquaintance or when restocking

liberodark

Two solutions either I will have to ask an acquaintance or when restocking

restock has not been announced unless you have inside sources

10:46 PM

they literally said they would not make them anymore until there is an OS they are satisfied with (edited)

liberodark

In any case as soon as I have the reader I will have it sent to you to @Szybet or @Kuratius as you want.

Maybe @tux-linux would want, he is the creator after all. But i want too, but we will see Will we need to send the ereader back?

Kuratius

they literally said they would not make them anymore until there is an OS they are satisfied with (edited)

Yea, pretty much this, so the kobo clara 2E would be a better target

Kuratius

restock has not been announced unless you have inside sources

I think your OS can be a good solution.

liberodark

I think your OS can be a good solution.

they were told about it

10:49 PM

nothing to be done

I will ask from my side. it can be worth it if it is not possible I will do otherwise (edited)

Kuratius

nothing to be done

Yes, you already need to have it to test.

liberodark

I will ask from my side. it can be worth it if it is not possible I will do otherwise (edited)

it is not clear what you mean

Szybet

Maybe @tux-linux would want, he is the creator after all. But i want too, but we will see Will we need to send the ereader back?

I want too

tux-linux speaks French, he is in Canada, szybet in Europe

10:52 PM

maybe send to the one who is closer

tux-linux

I want too

You have already 10 ereaders

I wrote the entire email

tux-linux

I wrote the entire email

What? How is this related

Kuratius

it is not clear what you mean

What I'm saying is only that I'll try to send you one as soon as I get my hands on it through the store or by some other means.

Nvm send it to who you want Of course if you encounter problems I will not be able to fix them as much but it would be the same thing if I had it so whatever

10:54 PM

Thanks for your interest

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I can always give ssh access to serial and a camera

10:55 PM

But i have wrote IPD, wifi subsystem sooo yea

also consider this:if you own 10 ereaders and szybet 2, then you need to test 10 and szybet only 2

Yes But idk

but probably sending to the closer one is better

Yes too

Szybet

Maybe @tux-linux would want, he is the creator after all. But i want too, but we will see Will we need to send the ereader back?

@liberodark you didnt answered this

Szybet

But i have wrote IPD, wifi subsystem sooo yea

I wrote library and pretty much the whole os (edited)

10:57 PM

tux-linux

I wrote library and pretty much the whole os (edited)

Good argument hehe

Szybet

Maybe @tux-linux would want, he is the creator after all. But i want too, but we will see Will we need to send the ereader back?

No you can keep the ereader

Good, otherwise supporting newer versions would be uncertain

Szybet

Good, otherwise supporting newer versions would be uncertain

This is completely normal

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Hello

8:03 PM

what brings you here Wayneee

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Szybet

what brings you here Wayneee

Hi, I’ve installed InkBox on a kobo mini which is working great, I see it’s possible to install on a kindle touch, just wondering if there is a guide I can look at to see how difficult it would be, I’ve got a couple of them in a draw doing nothing. Is there much soldering or anything?

wait for @tux-linux

Szybet

wait for @tux-linux

Np

Are they original Kindle Touch?

9:21 PM

From 2011

Hi, yeah the are the 2011 touch versions.

It involves completely wiping the original firmware Then reflashing the device with InkBox Probably w/ fastboot Probably no serial or soldering required (edited)

tux-linux

It involves completely wiping the original firmware Then reflashing the device with InkBox Probably w/ fastboot Probably no serial or soldering required (edited)

Ok, I think it’s something for a weekend project then, is there a guide you have or anything?

I’m happy to give it a go, no bother if i break one as they don’t get used.

8:25 AM

Sorry for the questions I’ve just been googling is mfgtool what you use? Or is it all command line?

cli

8:26 AM

tldr: tux-linux needs to create the Kindle image and i dont know if he will have the time and will to do that

Szybet

tldr: tux-linux needs to create the Kindle image and i dont know if he will have the time and will to do that

Ok, well I’m happy to be a test dummy if he does, I could probably try to record it as a guide on the 2nd one if it worked on the first one.

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10:14 AM

Welcome

Ok once again

10:28 AM

Welcome

@tux-linux 1. answer about the kindle 2. as im finishing audio, you will want to test it anyway on the kindle?

mantikka joined the server. 7/5/2023 1:38 PM

welcome

1:43 PM

what brings you here

Hey, I got here through the website, I have an old kindle 4 and I was curious to know if the kindle touch image would work on the 4 as well, since they're in the same generation. The project looks really great by the way, bravo to all involved!

thanks

1:46 PM

it won't work

Oh alright, that's too bad. Thanks a lot for the info!

The Earth Yo joined the server. 7/6/2023 11:20 PM

Hey guys , I got here for kobo inkBox project , I am currently using kobo Elipasa , trying to know any vnc viewer option for Elipsa , inkBox looks great !

Elipsa is not supported, you would need to test it

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7:02 AM

I mean port it

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Hello, what brings you here?

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Is it possible to install inkbox and run it from the secondary microSD of an original model kobo glo while keeping the original internal kobo OS intact? I know you can boot from the second SD slot if you hit the light button while turning it on, but it doesn't seem to boot.

10:00 AM

just gives a white screen

@tux-linux

10:56 AM

If it doesnt work then it could be done

10:56 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Szybet

If it doesnt work then it could be done

no

1:34 PM

it's impossible because u-boot only changes root=/dev/mmcblkxpx variable in kernel args it still loads kernel from mmcblk0

linux kernel can load another kernel

1:36 PM

in theory

well, the point here is to boot it without alteration of the internal sd

1:36 PM

so, no use here

i wonder if i take the internal kobo microSD and put it in the secondary microSD and tell it to boot from there if it'll load. that'll be an experiment

this certainly can be done

7:09 PM

everything is possible

7:09 PM

will it take a month? year? more? idk

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8:49 PM

Welcome, what brings you ehre

8:50 PM

@liberodark any updates on the ereader / from pine64? (edited)

Szybet

Welcome, what brings you ehre

heroic deeds bring you ehre

eah

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ehre

Ehre

also inkbox repo PRs

8:58 PM

probably

you would need to find people wanting to port the devices

8:59 PM

as for now there are none

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what country?

8:59 PM

if Germany tolinos are sometimes rebranded kobos

9:01 PM

I know kobo has some weird cartel contract with tolino to not sell their readers in Germany

9:01 PM

probably illegal but eh

its more complicated

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9:08 PM

I think goodereader also ships worldwide

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welcome

5:45 PM

will you at least say hello or like others not even speak a word...?

5:45 PM

its sad at this point

well that wasn't to you but hello, im good i think

6:16 PM

and you

6:19 PM

thanks

cool idea

7:22 PM

maybe you can do it?

7:22 PM

idk if regular users can post distros

@tux-linux :D

It will for sure get 2.1 update

6:59 PM

but its the slowest, smallest device

Szybet

It will for sure get 2.1 update

future ones possibly too

Szybet

but its the slowest, smallest device

i would get it only if its 1/10 of the price of the nia

110$

7:12 PM

arround

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idk

7:12 PM

look up online

7:12 PM

its similar everywhere

joker@home:~$ whoami joined the server. 7/10/2023 10:22 PM

Hello!

Hello

hullo

Came here to check a few things before installing InkBox

cool, feel free to ask

It was about manga reading, if there is a working app or support - and if I am able to import my Kobo purchased library into it?

no

10:25 PM

sorry

10:25 PM

we support pdf reading

To both?

wait

>and if I am able to import my Kobo purchased library into it? there is a plugin for removing drm from kobo titles

10:25 PM

it works well

you will not be able to import your kobo library unless 1. the books don't have drm, you can use a plugin for that 2. the books are pdf files

1. We would, or you need to port ultimate ranga reader to kobo 2. just strip the drm

Okay, thank you much :)!

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10:26 PM

Ultimate manga reader, is the app you recommend?

we didn't develop it and it has not been ported to inkbox yet

10:27 PM

you can do it if you want

10:27 PM

it shouldn't be too hard

https://github.com/noDRM/DeDRM_tools/

GitHub - noDRM/DeDRM_tools: DeDRM tools for ebooks

DeDRM tools for ebooks. Contribute to noDRM/DeDRM_tools development by creating an account on GitHub.

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it should be easy

I will see what I can do! Thank you - I have a Kobo Nia N306

a or c

10:28 PM

ask szybet

send me the insides

I recently purchased, I havent opened it yet

after you open

10:29 PM

it can be not compatible with inkbox yet

10:29 PM

we recedntly started porting it... you could help if you have the c

Will tell then! Its a tad late now, but a day when i'm free off work i'll work on it

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At that price I'd buy it if you're ok with the screen quality

8:13 PM

I haven't seen talk of any incompatible mini revisions

kajus2493 joined the server. 7/11/2023 8:51 PM

Hello

Szybet

after you open

Its the model C sadly

11:20 PM

not ported yet

11:21 PM

you can help at #deleted-channel

11:21 PM

if you dont have any linux skills, consider supporting the project in donation ways

Szybet

Its the model C sadly

Ah damn, thank you

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hello i join to keep it up with news about this project

Hello

3:55 PM

cool

3:55 PM

we will soon give out some news at #announcements if you are looking for that

oh my

Hey, I've got two questions: 1. Is there a way to save reading preferences like text size and margin spacing so when I leave a book and come back to it I don't have to readjust? 2. Is there a way to set a photo instead of the sleep screen?

1. What does the screen look like when you first open settings? 2. Yes, throw images in a folder named .screensaver in onboard storage

Apologies of either of those are obvious

12:15 AM

Nicolas Mailloux

12:15 AM

Is global reading settings what I want?

It should work Try checking then unchecking "Global reading settings"

12:16 AM

Then click ok

So now if I change my reading settings it'll remember?

It should already remember

It looks like it remembers the slider positions but the text size is not the same, I can take a video once i have two hands lol

what if you reboot

I shall try that

@Szybet could you point me in the right direction to get the dev enviroment setup on my local machine?

Of course

5:09 PM

Easy way or hard way?

5:09 PM

Also, whats the goal? System or qt?

Basics for now

So? Qt?

5:12 PM

I dont know what basics means

is qt the frontend?

Yep

I'm just looking to setup the dev environment for front and back end

5:12 PM

not really good with front ends though

Backend depends on the part in use, most often rust or cpp musl

5:13 PM

So ot depends what you want to develop for backend

5:14 PM

Or it could be just scripts

Which one would you recommend for someone who's got some c knowledge, and no rust knowlegde

Well cpp obviously, but rust is not hard

so I've heard

5:16 PM

I have the kobo n905b and n905c

as for qt, look here: https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/apps-on-kobo/qt-setup.md

5:16 PM

just look

5:17 PM

so for qt: sudo mkdir -p /home/build/inkbox and give permission to that folder for your user

5:17 PM

there, in that folder clone this repo https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/compiled-binaries

5:18 PM

and looking at that repo and the guide, you should be able to figure out how to create a qt creator kit

5:18 PM

then, look at those scripts:https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/apps-on-kobo/inkbox-scripts

niAudio/apps-on-kobo/inkbox-scripts at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

5:18 PM

and here is everything you need for qt

5:19 PM

as for backend - pick a project you want to tinker with and i will write a guide for it

5:19 PM

look at inkbox organisation, there are many parts of the system

5:19 PM

also root your devices in diagnostics if you havent already

5:19 PM

for any questions, feel free to ask them

Szybet

also root your devices in diagnostics if you havent already

Wondering about this

5:20 PM

Also what backend components are in desparate need of another set of hands? (edited)

DobaMuffin

Wondering about this

when the device boots, spam the power button, in diagnostics mode there will be something about rooting, click it

DobaMuffin

Also what backend components are in desparate need of another set of hands? (edited)

desparate i dont think any - but improvements for sure Inkbox power daemon - cpp, musl, manages a lot of things explore_local_library - shell script, improvement / rewrite in something better would be good inkbox ( backend code ) - cpp / qt, we need code improvements because its not good init - plain c, needs a lot of c magic

5:25 PM

maybe there are more

What's up with init

5:27 PM

That the bootloader and other loaders?

it manages filesystems, starts open rc, checks for security things, unpacks things, manages progress bar

5:28 PM

the code it questionable in some places

I think that would be a good start for me

if you know c, yep

5:30 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init: InkBox OS' initialization prog...

InkBox OS' initialization program source. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ah, nice and small file

splitting it into functions & files would be cool too...

Will see what I can do. May take a while to do anything though

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5:40 PM

What other files rely on init?

to compile, thats it?>

yeah

5:41 PM

Oh ok.

5:41 PM

Just a lot of functions in the .h file

yep

I figured they must be getting called from other c functions too

5:42 PM

but if they are not, then I have a starting point for what to edit

DobaMuffin

I figured they must be getting called from other c functions too

its possible, im not sure, im not the authout

ok.

5:44 PM

@tux-linux is the init.h header used anywhere else in the codebase?

for 99% no

5:49 PM

so dont mind it

I was more worried about if I split the init into several files, then I need to modify the headers accordingly

its the only c program in use

5:56 PM

propably

5:56 PM

so no worries really

ok

Szybet

desparate i dont think any - but improvements for sure Inkbox power daemon - cpp, musl, manages a lot of things explore_local_library - shell script, improvement / rewrite in something better would be good inkbox ( backend code ) - cpp / qt, we need code improvements because its not good init - plain c, needs a lot of c magic

c magic is fine...

6:20 PM

oh, something you could do: integrate fbdepth native library in inkbox power daemon

6:21 PM

here https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/16539e6743083e2e3da6690066664ab5dcd0fded/src/fbinkFunctions.cpp#L184-L186

inkbox-power-daemon/src/fbinkFunctions.cpp at 16539e6743083e2e3da66...

InkBox Power Daemon (IPD) source code. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon development by creating an account on GitHub.

why

nah, let him start with init

6:22 PM

he already begun

what will he do

Szybet

he already begun

he just forked it

6:22 PM

do note that on github, I would estimate that 75% of forks never get a new commit hehe

6:23 PM

not to stop anything, but i think init is fine it's using magic, but it works so if it ain't broke, don't fix it

but improve it :D

tux-linux

what will he do

split into files i think

My whole idea is to split the files in 2 so that there is a helper file, and the main init code in a different file.

functions in helper file?

yeah

6:25 PM

A lot of simple functions can be separated from the init code

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good idea

6:26 PM

buit maybe look into power daemon code - its split based on functionality

yeah I can look into that too

tux-linux

oh, something you could do: integrate fbdepth native library in inkbox power daemon

Which library is that?

fbink

Ah I see now

Sancho joined the server. 7/15/2023 6:33 PM

hello, what brings you here?

hello, I was looking for an e-reader OS without bloat and I stumbled upon this community. I joined the discord to have the most updated info about supported devices as I have yet to buy the e-reader

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cool, let us know if you need help

Sancho

hello, I was looking for an e-reader OS without bloat and I stumbled upon this community. I joined the discord to have the most updated info about supported devices as I have yet to buy the e-reader

one of the most common models people have been buying recently is the Nia, but there is a chance you will get a hardware revision that isn't supported yet. It is also the weakest model, so something else may run better/faster

6:59 PM

I think there is a clara model that is also either already supported or will be soon, cant remember the details

glo hd is currently a fairly good option (edited)

6:59 PM

clara hd is in the porting process

6:59 PM

I am doing it myself

tux-linux

I am doing it myself

How hard is it to port new models to the existing base OS ?

Hard

Kuratius

one of the most common models people have been buying recently is the Nia, but there is a chance you will get a hardware revision that isn't supported yet. It is also the weakest model, so something else may run better/faster

Its the cheapest and newest hehe but yes

Sancho

How hard is it to port new models to the existing base OS ?

Hard? Maybe, impossible? Maybe, but easy? Maybe too? Time consuming so most people give up? Certainly

you summed it up

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Yep

Is there a guide on porting devices somewhere? And more generally, what does porting a device involve in terms of tasks/skills and material/software?

Guide, well there are some partial ones

7:32 PM

The most knowledge is in porting threads

7:32 PM

Long lectures

7:33 PM

Well usb uart is needed for sure, dissasembling the device too

7:33 PM

As for skills, you can learn on the way, like nothing is impossible you can learn everything but programming, linux background and maybe a bit of electronic knowledgr can help

7:37 PM

The project was started, and contributed by people that didnt knowed almost anything at the start, maybe basics There were magicians with big knowledge that helped a bit, but still you got the point on that

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Um welcome everyone???

Hmm i just wanna ask can I dual boot nickel and inkbox at the same time?

It can be done, you would need to develop it So in short, possible but nope

It already exists For emmc models

1:56 PM

Better just swap your SD card

i have a clara 2e so i'm ineligible but im fascinated how this stuff works

we made the kobo niaC* model kernel to work on nickel, clara 2e uses the same kernel so its 50% done already (edited)

7:47 PM

you could help

7:47 PM

if you have time and will

7:47 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ooh, i'm very new to all this so i have a lot to learn but i do have a lot of time and will at present so

just look up #deleted-channel and replicate the steps / learn

tyvm for the guidance!

it may be more complicated but yea, feel free to ask

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Thanks for the invite

the other server is mostly dead

7:13 PM

here we are doing things

7:13 PM

like im writing a matrix client for inkbox right now

7:13 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/nachat-inkbox/commit/67b4da86de81751bf19317341a67e21d5bcdf55c

fixed viewing in many places, now missing: status bar, full screen ...

…load file dialog, keyboard in join rooms and log in screens, dont allow many rooms to launch, option to clean cache, option to repaint room dialog

when will you add history

7:14 PM

but seriously it may actually work

then it's basically irc

maybe sometimes not

7:14 PM

let me try

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Is there something wrong with the libra 2, how come its not compatible with inkbox?

we are only two people working on developing it

~~there is something wrong with people, they start porting and give up in the middle of the task~~ No one ported it yet, it maybe has an eemc which can make it harder

Szybet

~~there is something wrong with people, they start porting and give up in the middle of the task~~ No one ported it yet, it maybe has an eemc which can make it harder

~~they give up at 1/8 of the task~~

Lol

there have been already at least 10 people trying to port the clara

7:19 PM

everyone left

7:19 PM

right @atro ? XD

i decided to do it myself

I feel ya, it happens.

we had been waiting two years

i hoped that open source is awesome

7:20 PM

as for now its for 75% dissapointing

Kek

the other 25% is the one* donation and support i received with my sanki app (edited)

7:20 PM

thats it

7:20 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@tux-linux loading works

nice

idk of what it depends that sometimes it doesnt

7:34 PM

but hey

@tux-linux followed your chroot alpine linux instructions on the koreader terminal emulator,

worked a treat, thanks for putting that information out there.

nice

2:38 AM

if you consider using inkbox at some point there is iterm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7piH2415cnY

InkBox OS user app: ITerm (sff) demo

I have considered it, whats holding me back is that this is my only ereader and I don't want to fuck it trying to pry it open getting the sd card out. Not that i have seen inside but I would be expecting the pcb to be conformally coated to get that ipx8 rating, I actually don't want to lose my waterproofing just yet. If I had an old one hanging around I'd probably be more into the idea.

what's your device again

Libra 2

oh ok

2:48 AM

well inkbox has not even been ported yet (edited)

This might be a bit silly of me to ask but, whats involved in porting it over? Just the kernel would be different?

for a pretty accurate description of how complicated porting can be, check the clara hd or glo hd thread

2:51 AM

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/936757234153689188/936757235806257186

2:52 AM

well, maybe more this one https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/971524185815928934/971524187862745228

2:54 AM

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/966554812567130152/966554813938692126 Or, the worst of them all So hard we didn't even succeed in porting it

Its a pretty interesting process, I might see what I can find on ebay.

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are there other servers related to eink/kobo homebrew?

active ones? not really

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9:22 AM

helo

Hello!

hello, what brings you here?

I was wondering if there was a way to get inkbox running on my old touch, but it seems it's not possible at this point

9:30 AM

at least from what I'm reading

where and what are you reading?

I was seaching in the porting thread. It's an original N905, not b or c

propably no one tried yet

it has internal storage not an sd card

everything is possible

9:36 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, but my skill level is very low, lol

There is already a porting thread

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test

tset

welp

here it does

5:28 PM

nice

But well it is quite secure for an ereader

The offer I found for the nia got sold :( I got a couple for the glo tho, is it worth going for the nia for ~2x the price? What is better in the newer model?

its worth if its half the price

4:42 PM

clara maybe

4:42 PM

its not ported tho

Only thing I found out about the nia is that it has a better procesor and more storage but this seems insignificant considering it has an sd slot, anything else?

Szybet

clara maybe

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ I meant like the difference between nia and glo

idk really, not much

The glo also has an sd internally?

4:46 PM

or is it emmc

sd card

Hmm it's so weird how in so many years almost nothing has changed

4:52 PM

Will get the glo then

because of monopoly and its a simple device but the eink technologi is diffrent a bit

4:53 PM

also im not sure about glo being compatibvle

compatible with inkbox?

yep

oh, why's that?

4:56 PM

the processor too old?

there are 2 hglos

4:56 PM

the hd one is ported

4:56 PM

the other one not sure

ah

4:57 PM

on the site it says both

4:57 PM

are supported

well then both

4:57 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

which one have you got? the nia?

i ported the nia

ah, and tux-linux?

he has every other device supported

oh damn that's a lot

Whats his daily driver tho

a book device

4:59 PM

loool

4:59 PM

i mean the android ones

4:59 PM

this is so funny

4:59 PM

and sad

4:59 PM

and funny

5:01 PM

i daily drive the nia even in school for note taking, with a keyboard

glo hd is better

[matrix] Szybet

a book device

boox

5:15 PM

mainly because of the screen size

5:15 PM

i don't read

5:15 PM

:/

tux-linux

i don't read

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️

i use it for reading music partitions or taking notes at school

5:15 PM

mainly

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️

well, when I read, I have a really interesting book

5:16 PM

and it happens what, once in two years?

oh interesting, I thought you developed this mailny as a book reader software

well, i do

5:16 PM

my boox device doesn't run inkbox

5:17 PM

i don't have plans to hack it

tux-linux

i don't read

[matrix] Szybet at all?

it maybe is better left like that

5:17 PM

it's android
no kernel sources available, chinese company
no developer community at all

you developed an ereader os and you dont read

for the second point i guess i could push a bit and try to tackle it but i have other things to do

[matrix] Szybet

you developed an ereader os and you dont read

yes, how can i have time to read if im doing this

[matrix] Szybet

you developed an ereader os and you dont read

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ lmao

as i said, i only really read when the book is really interesting and that very rarely happens so tldr i pretty much don't read, even if sometimes there are exceptions

on the other point its not like we focus on reading with inkbox

5:22 PM

all those apps

5:22 PM

lol

I don't read much either, I've used to, trying to come back to it

well so you both are hypocrites hehe

First gotta get myself an open source ereader with custom software, this will surely help :)))

good

I am interested in using it for different purpouses too tho

5:26 PM

A device with such a long battery life and with a system where you have so much control you can take everywhere

bear in mind: it's not a desktop pc it will be slow (edited)

dont expect super battery life with wifi

you dont need wifi for note taking for example

yep

you need otg keyboard that sucks power

but matrix client, rss client

so, it's a tie

tux-linux

you need otg keyboard that sucks power

[matrix] Szybet nope hehe

?

[matrix] Szybet

yep

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ how long does it last for you?

kobos need external power, they need to be charged to make usb host to work

tux-linux

you need otg keyboard that sucks power

Is it possible to use a powered usb hub? Maybe on one of those portable usb chargers it would last longer

so you use a external power source: power bank

well, yea, but still, kinda defeats the point of long battery life

or my abomination: hot swappable batteries with a custom circuit on the back of the ereader

matty12345

Is it possible to use a powered usb hub? Maybe on one of those portable usb chargers it would last longer

[matrix] Szybet listen to me when it gets to usb

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ how long does it last for you?

[matrix] Szybet i dont complain, idk as i said, i use external hot swapable batteries

[matrix] Szybet

or my abomination: hot swappable batteries with a custom circuit on the back of the ereader

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ you got a pic?

GitHub - Szybet/niAudio: Kobo nia ereader with audio added

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

5:31 PM

pcb folder

5:31 PM

and keyboard folder

5:31 PM

look there for pics

Pretty snazzy

yea

5:34 PM

this is the reason i jopined this project

5:34 PM

i had this vision

5:34 PM

ereader device with jack audio

5:34 PM

and mouse / keyboard was a side project

How long has this been in the works?

the project?

5:35 PM

2.5y

i completed ita few weeks ago

started in feb. 2021

I meant his abomination

over a year

ok

i needed to help with inkbox because it was horrible for me

5:36 PM

so it took longer

5:36 PM

also electrical engineering is hard when you are stupid

[matrix] Szybet

over a year

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ insane dedication

Indeed it can be a challenge

took me 2 months to figure out it

i think we are both insane

5:36 PM

first szybet is insane for having stayed in the project for more than one year and i am insane for having started it and having maintained it for this long (edited)

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ insane dedication

[matrix] Szybet i also ported the nia, learned qt cpp for that

tux-linux

i think we are both insane

[matrix] Szybet yep

tux-linux

first szybet is insane for having stayed in the project for more than one year and i am insane for having started it and having maintained it for this long (edited)

[matrix] Szybet idk if you registered but i will stop such active contribution starting this school year

Idk i think its pretty cool. Sanity is overrated

matterbridge

[matrix] Szybet idk if you registered but i will stop such active contribution starting this school year

well, you told me you wouldn't have much time

also i hope inkbox will be completed at this time

5:38 PM

minimal what i expect from it

how can it be completed

Szybet

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/297766-klawiatura-bezprzewodowa-microsoft-universal-foldable-bluetooth-czarna.html

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ Knew it, Szybet jesteś z polski

Your name sounded very polish

5:39 PM

my theory got confirmed when you linked a polish store for your keyboard

tux-linux

how can it be completed

[matrix] Szybet proper reader and settings, a bit redesigned apps and code and thats it

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

Your name sounded very polish

[matrix] Szybet Szybet brzmi po polsku? co ty

matterbridge

[matrix] Szybet Szybet brzmi po polsku? co ty

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ Noo sz

watpie bys ty byl polakiem, p[rzynajmniej po nicku

[matrix] Szybet

watpie bys ty byl polakiem, p[rzynajmniej po nicku

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ nooooo z niemiec jestem ale od 6 lat w polsce mieszkam

a no spoko

it's not quite clear to me, how is the keyboard connected?

custom connector made out of magnets and gold pins, there a usb connection goes to the top and connects to the usbhub

5:50 PM

its not the best, but its detachable and its working so its fine

I'm interested in a small device that can be used as a terminal for servers/note taking with vim, this could propably be done, but the keyboard is quite large, maybe making it foldable would be an option

could be used for that this keyboard is the smallest / cheapest i could find

5:52 PM

and reasonable working, the cheap "tablet" ones are horrible

5:53 PM

also, how foldable keyboard???

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its bluettoth

that one doesn't look that good tho, I've seen better ones

you could in theory connect an usb adapter to make bluettoth work + drivers

[matrix] Szybet

its bluettoth

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ but surely there are some 2.4ghz

but i wont charge a keyboard, never

5:54 PM

i refuse to create new problems

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ but surely there are some 2.4ghz

[matrix] Szybet thats better, but i had problems with mouses 2.4 on kobo

it could work, but maybe not, maybe im missing something

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/297766-klawiatura-bezprzewodowa-microsoft-universal-foldable-bluetooth-czarna.html

[matrix] Szybet also, price...

yeaa

i could get 6 platinet keyboards

that's not that cheap

for 300 zl i would make my own keyboard and 3d print a case

https://allegro.pl/oferta/portable-foldable-wireless-tri-keyboard-13643766835

5:56 PM

here is something much more economical already

5:57 PM

problem is they are thicc

5:57 PM

my ideal device would fit in my pocket

my setus uses the keyboard as a base for the ereader to stand

5:57 PM

i added a half kg steel bar to the bottom so it would be stable

5:57 PM

lol

Until now I have experimented with my phone for a portable development device, but they keyboard is the biggest problem

idk how its solved on ereaders?

[matrix] Szybet

i added a half kg steel bar to the bottom so it would be stable

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ yeah that's not going into the pocket lol

[matrix] Szybet

idk how its solved on ereaders?

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ wdym

ereaders just don't have a keyboard same as phones, this is the biggest problem with mobile devices imo

You mean the on screen kb?

you could make a software one

5:59 PM

we have them, the ones in sanki, nachat are good

6:00 PM

in inkbox not so much

[matrix] Szybet

you could make a software one

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ yeah ofc but that's not really usable

that's my problem

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[matrix] Szybet

in inkbox not so much

excuse me

it flickers, doesnt have a cursor, is on the center of the screen, and its small

iterm??

i didnt say iterm

iterm uses inkbox keyboard

modified

still

doom.png

6:02 PM

progress with doom hehe

green line

its propably pure memory lol

matrix

tux-linux do you use the glo (not hd) sometimes? is it good?

he mostly uses it for developing inkbox i think

yes, it's fine a bit slow

6:15 PM

but usable

6:15 PM

awful screen tho

6:15 PM

well, the one i have

6:15 PM

even a kobo touch's screen is better in terms of darkness in comparison

I assume it should be fine tho processor wise, it ran android, 2.3.4 to be fair but still, inkbox seems very optimized so it should be not that bad

its not

7:59 PM

but its the best open source ereader os

7:59 PM

~~its the only one~~

7:59 PM

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

https://www.reddit.com/r/kobo/comments/154xo6g/replacement_screen_for_libra_2_warning_about/

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9:07 PM

Hello what brigs you here

Szybet

its not

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ You think its worse than kobos one?

nickel doesnt have so many apps, features

9:34 AM

it focuses on reading and its better at it

9:35 AM

screen flashing is also better optimised

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hello, what brings you here

Zhelan

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3:18 PM

I'm considering buying a kobo ereader

3:18 PM

where I can install the custom os

3:18 PM

which one would be the most recent that you could advise

the glo hd is your best bet

3:19 PM

clara hd is in porting process

3:19 PM

or you can also go for the Aura SE n236, it's not too bad

n437?

yes, glo hd n437

nice do they have the front yellow light ?

no

How far along is the clara dev ?

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/934581303674798101 Judge by yourself

3:25 PM

tl;dr It is pretty far but I can't currently guarantee that basic things like having a decent eInk display update mode will work

Yes I was reading your latest posts

3:25 PM

Keep up the good work

3:25 PM

Kobo's kernel is open source right

3:25 PM

that's why there is not so much hacking to be done ?

there is a lot of hacking to be done even if the kernel is open sourced as a matter of fact, this kernel is stuck at an old Linux version and never updated Clara HD uses a 5.16 kernel which has been upstreamed with rewritten device drivers, it has been done by @andi and some others

ah ok

3:27 PM

Thanks for making this project

1

so the glo hd is the best option, you could also go for the nia but it has less RAM and the new variant (C) isn't currently compatible, so you have to look for the right one (A) @Szybet can give you more details on it

Yes, it seemed like it was hard to see which nia was which without opening them up

yea

And why are some firmware on the website available only if asked

3:30 PM

?

3:31 PM

only per request?

i didn't take time to make images, or it's too dangerous for the average user to install, or both

ok

3:32 PM

Well thanks for the lovely chat. I'll let you know once I put my hands on one of these relics. I'll be lurking ebay and kleinanzeigen

1

3:32 PM

tux-linux

so the glo hd is the best option, you could also go for the nia but it has less RAM and the new variant (C) isn't currently compatible, so you have to look for the right one (A) @Szybet can give you more details on it

[matrix] Szybet Its almost done, we have an image which is usable but not perfect

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1:55 AM

Hi everyboby

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@Szybet Can you screenshot or copy the output of "top" while running inkbox? (edited)

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hello! what brings you here

Hi just wanted to day amazing work, going to be installing shortly on a glo hd

1

3:20 PM

Very cool project

3:21 PM

I also like your crunchbang icon I used to use crunchbang linux long time ago

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i think its a regular shell icon logo something

Oh, I’m a normie so this is all I know it from https://crunchbang.org

CrunchBang Linux

CrunchBang is a Debian GNU/Linux based distribution offering a great blend of speed, style and substance. Using the nimble Openbox window manager, it is highly customisable and provides a modern, full-featured GNU/Linux system without sacrificing performance.

idk

Curious, did you make your own reader application for epub for this OS?

sadly, yes

That is amazing

no, its not the best one

3:31 PM

its an ok one

I'm sure it'll be great, I am a simple user.

1

The power in the os is in user apps

Beautiful

1

3:49 PM

I make this post a long time ago, great ereader still working today https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309576

honestly i think it is better than the clara

1

3:51 PM

hw wise

3:51 PM

screen looks better imo

3:52 PM

They made a device too good

3:53 PM

How many kobo do you have?

9?

3:53 PM

10?

3:53 PM

idk

Wow haha, one for every development

yea

Is there documentation on how to mount the internal storage? My host machine is windows, and I'm only seeing a 512mb device when usb mounted, while the sd card is 32gb.

it is supposed to be like that you can increase the size eassly, its described on the wiki

Oh okay so that is the correct partition

4:45 PM

I'd like to think I'm of average intelligence, but I cannot find that anywhere on the wiki

fixed

4:46 PM

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Resizing_USB_mass_storage

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Resizing_USB_mass_storage (edited)

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/discussions/52

I added the page in category inkbox

1

Got it, I am not crazy

1

4:48 PM

Is this project intended for powerusers only or for wider audience? Feel like a quickstart guide for using as simple ereader would be helpful for less savvy, could help with it once I figure out myself. (edited)

both

4:51 PM

Actual "user" documentation? · Kobo-InkBox inkbox · Discussion #52

I seem to have successfully installed InkBox onto a beat up Kobo Nia. This is cool as its original firmware seems to have died. But... I have little idea how to actually use it and see no user docu...

4:51 PM

look here for docs

4:51 PM

i mean for the explanation of the lack of them lol

No problem, I am not criticizing I totally understand. I would be willing to help with additional english documentation specifically for Windows users because that will be largest audience.

would be cool

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5:07 PM

Wow hello what brings you here

5:07 PM

a lot of people today

Hi all, noob here. Where can I find the installation guide and files for Kindle touch? Thanks

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/830961435122991155/1128039889913528411

5:14 PM

sorry

5:14 PM

its also hard to install

5:14 PM

so welp

Would it be reasonable to start the inkbox disk images at set SD card sizes like 16gb and 32gb, then any size beyond that provide documentation?

5:35 PM

To make it easier, as Windows users require 3rd party software to manage the partition tables.

currently its a bad implementation - it could be done that the ereader resizes the partition to the max

5:36 PM

available, without user interaction

Ah I see, like at first boot?

if the project survives, then sure this could be made

5:36 PM

yep, exactly

Are there any special steps to get the OS to recognize the changed size of the onboard file?

7:59 PM

All of the commands appear to have run but mounting usb is still 512mb

then you have done something wrong

8:14 PM

what have you done?

I will try again on a bare metal machine, I think virtual machine was causing issues with mounting and write

remember to sync after writes

There's some app to see my fedd rss on inkbox os ?

yes? https://github.com/Szybet/rssguard-inkbox https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/user-applications

Szybet

yes? https://github.com/Szybet/rssguard-inkbox https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/user-applications

tank you

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hi folks. Automated?

that was fast

nope, not automated

Idk it just popped up on my phone

hello

What brings you here

I was looking at FOSS e-book readers, because my nook simple touch is dissolving. And I could only find koreader or inkbox, and from the looks of the code, liked inkbox more

(edited)

3:53 PM

so just checking around, considering buying a Kobo to flash it with Inkbox

code? you looked at code?

3:54 PM

like programming?

yep, under https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox

code quality, language or what?

code quality, architecture, features wanted from the project

Well, maybe you don't like Lua, but koreader is more mature (edited)

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This project are developing 2 students who are learning to code, basically from ground up Koreader is old old and was programmed by hundrets of wizards Idk how you can say our code is better

What's happening

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I like the minimal approach of inkbox

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Szybet

This project are developing 2 students who are learning to code, basically from ground up Koreader is old old and was programmed by hundrets of wizards Idk how you can say our code is better

Yes

4:00 PM

Minimal?

Lack of features?

4:01 PM

Well cool that you have such opinion. Do you plan to contribute? I also choose opem source software but I dont review the code if i dont plan to change it

We are not trying to convince you not to use InkBox, we are just surprised by the way you see the project

I dunno, comparing with Koreader, koreader seems bloated for the features it provides

5:10 PM

plus, I prefer substituting the OS, I don't see much the point of only providing a new UI

you have an unpopular way of seeing things

5:10 PM

that's good

xD

5:10 PM

plus, looking around inkbox, I see Rust and other things, which is nice

~~And the new UI will refuse to launch every month because of main UI system updates, or just happy accidents~~

Lua is ok, but I just want a minimal UI in an OS. Don't need wifi or so

we provide wifi but well

~~And its so bloated it had a memory leak which made it unusable after a while~~

then add how the org looks on github, how you have a matrix space, etc etc

5:11 PM

I can see the craftmanship difference between the 2 projects, even if all that is circumstantial

raven

plus, looking around inkbox, I see Rust and other things, which is nice

there has been a crusade to replace python with rust because it was slow and python is bad after all

raven

Lua is ok, but I just want a minimal UI in an OS. Don't need wifi or so

we use wifi for more stuff: apps: RSS reader, matrix client, syncthing...

5:13 PM

optional and modular

I haven't look muched at it tbf. Could see myself using syncthing or the Rss reader

5:15 PM

this is going to be the usual silly question, but which Kobo would be the more recommended and somewhat featureful for inkbox?

glo hd n437

On second place is the kobo nia

thank you both!

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hello, i got a question is there any way to back up the kobo os on a kobo libra h2o (n873)?

8:11 PM

i know its got an emmc so no way to easily make an image of it

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132797/how-to-dd-a-remote-disk-using-ssh-on-local-machine-and-save-to-a-local-disk

How to dd a remote disk using SSH on local machine and save to a lo...

How can I create a backup of a remote disk using SSH on my local machine and save it to a local disk? I've tried the following: ssh hostname@my.ip.address "sudo dd if=/dev/sdX " | \ dd of=/home/

8:13 PM

something like that would do

8:13 PM

or just using usb

8:13 PM

but for that wait for tux-linux

You can do it with nc Or g_mass_storage from an initrd

explain further to him that idea

so i either need kernel/initrd with g_mass_storage to use it as a usb storage device, or i could copy it over ssh/nc

8:20 PM

im going to try with ssh/nc

it propably already has those modules

nc is probably the simplest

8:20 PM

It needs to be in an initrd

8:21 PM

Without using mmc

8:21 PM

i.e. without nickel running

okay, i got the following partitions

NAME         MAJ:MIN RM  SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS
mmcblk0      179:0    0  7.3G  0 disk 
|-mmcblk0p1  179:1    0  256M  0 part /
|-mmcblk0p2  179:2    0  256M  0 part 
`-mmcblk0p3  179:3    0  6.7G  0 part /mnt/onboard
mmcblk0boot0 179:8    0    4M  1 disk 
mmcblk0boot1 179:16   0    4M  1 disk 
mmcblk0rpmb  179:24   0  512K  0 disk

do i back up all of them? (edited)

mmcblk0

alright, thanks

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Hello there, I just installed Inkbox on my glo hd, How do I expand the partition accessible by the user through USB? I expanded the user partition of the sdcard but when its connected by usb its around 500mb only

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Resizing_USB_mass_storage

InkBox User Guide - HedgeDoc

never mind

5:32 AM

yes

5:32 AM

thankss

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hello, what brings you here

hi

7:39 PM

i need inkbox os to kindle touch

is it the original kindle touch from 2011

yes

i will make an image in the following days stay tuned

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ok. thank

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I keep my notes on InkBox in Hedgedoc, a collaborative markdown editor. Please feel free to add some of your notes as well. Maybe we can co-create some sort of user documentation in this way... See https://md.giplt.nl/5ogdx1ljSeqxE6GY-21CqQ

Thanks, it's a great start

10:19 PM

You can also take screenshots from your device into a PNG file

10:19 PM

Is it rooted?

awesome

No it's not rooted AFAIK, I still have a lot to figure out.

10:50 PM

Also on my device (Kobo Mini) I can't seem to install User apps or KoBox extensions. But first let's document what does work...

you are the second person reporting this

I will look into it

Harmen: what's your issue? I can install them perfectly fine on my Glo

glo is not the mini ytou know

almost

When I copy the *.isa and *.isa.dgst for extensions into the KoBox-EXT drve and unplug the USB cable the KoBox menu is gone from the apps index. Similar when I copy User Apps into the .apps folder the User Apps menu disappears.

@Szybet

[matrix] Harmen

When I copy the *.isa and *.isa.dgst for extensions into the KoBox-EXT drve and unplug the USB cable the KoBox menu is gone from the apps index. Similar when I copy User Apps into the .apps folder the User Apps menu disappears.

strange, because none of that happened here

Most of the time unplugging USB gets InkBox into some unresponsive state. Only power cycling brings it back. But the the apps menu is somehow damaged. When I remove the .isa file again it doesn't come back.

it happens depending on the device usually plug/unplug again should make it unfreeze

Without logs, shell we can only speculate

I have not figured out yet how to monitor what's going on. Does InkBox send system messages to the onboard UART connector? I could then hook that up and see what goes on.

ssh via wifi or usb

12:05 AM

you need to root it

Ok, will try that over the weekend and report back.

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12:09 AM

I also recall another issue when unplugging the USB cable did bring the device back to life but somehow without refreshing the eink display. I found out by clicking the screen at random places in hope to hit a button, and sometimes that brought up a book, the home screen or whatever I seemed to have hit.

strange (edited)

What logs should I look for?

when you will be rooted connect to wifi

echo true > /boot/flags/GUI_DEBUG
restart inkbox_gui

and copy-paste the output

12:11 AM

to root it you need to access diagnostics partition slide the power button a few times at boot and wait

12:11 AM

then you do reset as root

Ha, that goes straight into the manual :-)

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12:14 AM

Thanks, I will see if I can get a clearer idea of what is going on and let you know in a couple of days.

good

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8:36 PM

welcome

Thanks

Hello, anybody can share the original fw for the kobo touch 905C ?

firmware?

Szybet

firmware?

yes

sadly they only share update, not the fw

ask on mobilereads

mobilreads ?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211265

Touch Kobo Touch : Need SD card image - MobileRead Forums

Touch Kobo Touch : Need SD card image Kobo Developer's Corner

Thanks you.

I just encountered a weird problem. When booting from a fresh InkBox 2.0 image my Kobo Mini crashes with error code 2 in stead of launching the first-boot-configuration-sequence. Error code 2 refers to an invalid signature for the root fs. However I doubled checked the image checksum and that matches perfectly. What could be going on?

Probably an error during flashing

8:07 PM

Or SD card issue

8:07 PM

Try to reflash it and be sure to sync writes to disk/eject it before putting it back into the reader

Imagepipe_0.jpg

8:33 PM

Got my kobo!!!!!!!!!!!

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8:34 PM

Its a glo

8:34 PM

Got it for 200zl

congratulations

8:35 PM

the price is between good and bad

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

Click to see attachment 🖼️

cool, enjoy inkbox on it

Szybet

the price is between good and bad

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ Yeaaa shouldve negotiated, I always forget to do that lol

1000007885.jpg

10:32 PM

awesome, no problems

10:33 PM

just am curious, how does it preserve the waveform data when flashing it? (using the command provided on the website

it doesnt

10:34 PM

there are warnings about it, and a guide to reapply the original one

10:34 PM

for 99.9% it doesnt matter

10:34 PM

the screen will work fine

10:34 PM

but it can be damaged if luck is not with you

10:34 PM

in the future if it will ever exist, inkbox installer will replace it :D

oh, as in the screen can be damaged?

yep

10:35 PM

eink calibration stuff

10:35 PM

didnt happened ever to inkbox users

10:35 PM

only once when nicolas applied a completly wrong waveform, then it made a mess

and its irrecoverable?

the damage he has done, yes

how did it manifest?

this example was like that

but gotta say awesome ootb experience

very bad contrast, refreshes leaving a lot of ghosting

Szybet

very bad contrast, refreshes leaving a lot of ghosting

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ ah, not that bad, at least usable

but damn it would be good to put out a warning for that

10:40 PM

also copied the original sd onto the new one for nothing

10:40 PM

there is

10:42 PM

there is also to make a backup

10:42 PM

;/

I mean like here https://inkbox.ddns.net/installation.html

10:43 PM

but ig fair if its somewhere in the wiki

10:44 PM

details

10:44 PM

on the download page

oh yeah ofc just a disclaimer

still, its enough

10:46 PM

obviously its a risk

10:46 PM

just like android custom roms

I would include some mentioning about this waveform data before the installation, ideally on how to copy the data because that's propably the best way

Szybet

obviously its a risk

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ weeel, not really if you know what you are doing

like apart from that waveform data this is basically safe

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ weeel, not really if you know what you are doing

nope, still risk. You cant be sure of everything

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

its there

yea true i guess

also as for copying, it more complicated but basically here: https://github.com/Szybet/eink-waveforms

GitHub - Szybet/eink-waveforms

Contribute to Szybet/eink-waveforms development by creating an account on GitHub.

but isn't it better to by default have ppl clone the waveform data? seems like good practice

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

like apart from that waveform data this is basically safe

writing the wrong image can in theory start a fire from the battery / release magic smoke

Szybet

also as for copying, it more complicated but basically here: https://github.com/Szybet/eink-waveforms

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ oh okay so its not at the same sector everytime?

Szybet

writing the wrong image can in theory start a fire from the battery / release magic smoke

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ oh..

that's fun

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

but isn't it better to by default have ppl clone the waveform data? seems like good practice

you need linux for that, so not easy

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ oh okay so its not at the same sector everytime?

im not sure, propably it isint

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ oh..

it never happened, but from electronical stand point, in theory very unlikely but yes

Szybet

you need linux for that, so not easy

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ well some sane system :)

andi once did it, but he is a kernel developer so more of an edge case when he tinkered with that

ah okay I see, the firmware extractor is an universal way

10:52 PM

well that's true that complicates the install process a bit, if there would be a graphical installer for non techy ppl to install it too this would be a good feature to add

10:53 PM

but now I understand why it's not there

10:53 PM

on that page

if this project doesnt die, people will be interested then there will be a graphical installer for sure

well it is alive for quite some time already, I hope it will continue, will try to contribute aswell

for most of the time only one person worked on it

10:54 PM

now 2

on a different note, where can I find the encryption settings/info about it?

the issue is that the 2 are entering "adulthood" lol

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

on a different note, where can I find the encryption settings/info about it?

in settings

10:55 PM

im not sure if it will work ( encryption )

10:55 PM

should

insannee lmao geany running on this

pretty slow

Szybet

only once when nicolas applied a completly wrong waveform, then it made a mess

no, it was fine display still behaves strange but it's still usable

still

10:58 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Szybet

pretty slow

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ its quite good imo

for this device

10:58 PM

its zooooooming

well, its good for an ereader

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

its zooooooming

?

tux-linux

no, it was fine display still behaves strange but it's still usable

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ yea noticed that too

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

its zooooooming

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (for a kobo glo)

well, my glo display already acts strange and it has the original waveform

10:59 PM

so maybe its just that

As in there are a lot of refreshes

thats normal

and the letters look weirdly contrasted, but totally usable no problems at all tbh just little annoyances

picture? (edited)

when you type it gets shifted around wierdly and the blackness of the letters change

uhm general eink issue i think

tux-linux

uhm general eink issue i think

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ well the keyboard too so I think this can be in theory fixed but I understand that if it's just X11 and it should run generic apps it's hard to optimize

but don't get me wrong I love it all seems very usable and quite responsive

11:10 PM

seems its not that lightweight tho, boot and kobox uses a ton of battery

its xorg

11:10 PM

soooo yea

11:11 PM

you can disable it to make the device faster overall

oh okay, can I easialy reenable it?

yes?

and if enabled, does it run in the background the whole time?

yes

11:12 PM

well, only the x server

ohhh okay

not in 100%, but it uses a bit of ram anyway

The please charge your ereader (battery critical screen) is also something from inkbox or the internal chipset? (edited)

?

11:13 PM

inkbox

11:13 PM

but idk what dialog

11:13 PM

there are a few saying that

oh wow very polished

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

The please charge your ereader (battery critical screen) is also something from inkbox or the internal chipset? (edited)

it's a qt layout

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

oh wow very polished

thanks

11:14 PM

seeing people compliment inkbox design is very rare

I am absolutely amazed by the amount of polish in this open source app made by 2 devs

most of the things are made by nicolas

11:14 PM

i polished / added a few

11:14 PM

power daemon, wifi, user apps

11:17 PM

oh and audio recently

yea audio on kt is probably more of a nightmare than something else

Szybet

power daemon, wifi, user apps

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ what does the power deamon do?

Szybet

power daemon, wifi, user apps

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ wifi def an awesome addition

tux-linux

yea audio on kt is probably more of a nightmare than something else

even also doesnt work?

i found the package for play program

11:18 PM

sox

11:18 PM

its worse than aplay

11:18 PM

anyway

lol

Szybet

even also doesnt work?

wOrKs

11:18 PM

O_O

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ wifi def an awesome addition

i initially developed the wifi framework szybet greatly improved it

11:19 PM

wifi support was there since 1.6

that porcessor handling audio, seems like it might be problematic or atleast battery sucking

basically: there were basics, i improved them to not be laggy, some features

11:19 PM

complete rewrites in short

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

that porcessor handling audio, seems like it might be problematic or atleast battery sucking

niaudio, do you remember :D?

Szybet

basically: there were basics, i improved them to not be laggy, some features

yeah, it was blocking initially szybet made it non-blocking

multi threading

too

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ what does the power deamon do?

manage sleep/wake/wifi reconnection/every other nightmare like this

11:21 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon: InkBox Power Daemon (IPD)...

InkBox Power Daemon (IPD) source code. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon development by creating an account on GitHub.

I am excited about how the book sleeping screen will look, downloading some books rn

its not that simple

you will be dissapointed

11:22 PM

not added yet

oh :(

you can set custom screensavers

maybe something for me to add

yes

yep

if you want it will prob. not be easy

yeea I see the difficulty where on sleep it has to communicate with inkbox, not sure how sleep is exactly handled rn but propably much simpler

if you want to live the nightmare: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/prepareSleep.cpp https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/goingSleep.cpp https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/afterSleep.cpp

tux-linux

if you want it will prob. not be easy

nah, not be a nightmare either

and also making a nice api/interface/metadata thing about the current screen so it can react accordingly to different screens if sb wants to add a sleep screen for their calculator app for example

tux-linux

if you want to live the nightmare: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/prepareSleep.cpp https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/goingSleep.cpp https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/afterSleep.cpp

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ thank you will look into it

the watchdog is the real nightmare

11:26 PM

hehe

Okay so I'd add a new lockscreenBackgroundMode = "contextual" and copy the logic a bit from the screensaver and make the image generated instead of staticly taken from something so that's not that problematic just have to get the context somehow

you can eassly gather some data from inkbox while its reading a book

11:30 PM

like the thumbnail

first of all I have to make myself a dev env

tux-linux

if you want to live the nightmare: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/prepareSleep.cpp https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/goingSleep.cpp https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-power-daemon/blob/main/src/afterSleep.cpp

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ This seems veeery fun tho

contributing to an OS

well, maybe to read

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

contributing to an OS

contributing to something original is fun

11:35 PM

without a doubt

[matrix] Harmen (@giplt:matrix.o

I just encountered a weird problem. When booting from a fresh InkBox 2.0 image my Kobo Mini crashes with error code 2 in stead of launching the first-boot-configuration-sequence. Error code 2 refers to an invalid signature for the root fs. However I doubled checked the image checksum and that matches perfectly. What could be going on?

[matrix] Harmen Ok this had nothing to do with InkBox. Not a corrupted SD card either but dd giving the impression of writing an image to the SD card but not doing anything at all in reaity. Laptop reboot was the solution

Maybe a laptop having lost touch with reality explains another problem I reported here before as well. In any case, I now can install User apps.

it could

12:02 AM

user apps work diffrent than xorg ones, but yes

Yup, will test KoBox apps tomorrow

how long does it usually take to open a book?

it depends on the book size

12:09 AM

but a looong time :(

12:09 AM

for ebooks, im already working on a almost complete rewrite

got a book with 0.7MB

Szybet

for ebooks, im already working on a almost complete rewrite

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ awesome

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

got a book with 0.7MB

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ screen flashed a couple of times then tried sleeping waking it up and getting a blank screen now

oh also for start, you need to calibrate the size of the page, font size too: the defaults are bad for some reason? I will also fix that, but for now you need to calibrate it

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ screen flashed a couple of times then tried sleeping waking it up and getting a blank screen now

going to sleep is a bad idea

yea seems like that might cause some problems

wait a bit, if nothing happens push the power button, then pause push it more it will reset

12:12 AM

the device

12:12 AM

then try one more time, but wait a lot more

yea I am trying to force shut it down

12:12 AM

held it for about 10s or more

look at the diode

12:13 AM

push it, then pause, then push it

12:13 AM

the button

12:13 AM

the diode turning on means its turning on the device

sleeping is reacting but I can't get it to turn off

push the button for more time

12:14 AM

hold it

12:14 AM

not spam it

yea no I hold it for 30s and it does not turn off

make sure its not sleeping?

12:15 AM

also after those 30 seconds, push it not for that long so it can turn on

tried sleeping not sleeping everthing

Szybet

also after those 30 seconds, push it not for that long so it can turn on

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ yeah ik but it doesnt turn off

are there more button on the glo?

it just switches the sleeping state

Szybet

are there more button on the glo?

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ yea a backlight button

tried holding both

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ screen flashed a couple of times then tried sleeping waking it up and getting a blank screen now

[matrix] Harmen I had this too and the device turned out to be awake. If you tap the screen somewhat at random and be lucky enhough to hit some widget you will see the screen responding again. Apparently sometimes the display doesn't refresh when coming out of sleep state...

hold the power button?...

12:16 AM

um listen, this reboot / power off things is hardware handled, inkbox cant interfere with it

12:17 AM

so it must work

12:17 AM

there is no "no"...

12:17 AM

try some more time, mayeb wait for @tux-linux ?

Szybet

um listen, this reboot / power off things is hardware handled, inkbox cant interfere with it

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ yea I assume it works like that thats why I am confused af

on the nia the process is really straight

there is a reset hole

12:18 AM

in the glo

12:18 AM

will try that

oh

12:19 AM

yea

12:19 AM

it could explain a bit

oh yea that worked

12:20 AM

and I was wondering like wtf is this hole is it a mic or what

12:20 AM

turns out its a reset button

12:20 AM

why didn't they just make it a hardware 10s reset

12:20 AM

maybe used too much time at that time

its kobos fault, very confusing

yea

12:21 AM

well

12:21 AM

not that confusing

12:21 AM

if there is a reset hole but useless

on some models people are instead sticking wood sticks into the led and damaging it because they think its a reset button instead

Same here for Kobo Mini. When stuck I use the reset hole to trigger a hard reboot.

aaand again battery critical

12:22 AM

I've seen the battery indicator jump around earlier

12:23 AM

idk if it's inkbox or the battery in this thing is fried

hmm its and used old ereader

12:23 AM

maybe the battery neads to be replaced

I'd say it's inkbox because the guy who sold it to me said he was using it normally before and it seemed to not have any problems

12:23 AM

but idk tbh

how much did it drop

when I got it it had about 50%(visual indicator so idk exactly) on the main system, when I started inkbox it was down to 19%

12:25 AM

I need to charge it to 100% then see to have accurate info

the visual indicator could show 31 for example and still be on half

12:27 AM

we defenitely will have a bit worse battery life, a bit

Szybet

the visual indicator could show 31 for example and still be on half

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) yea true

because of some hacks the main firmware does

12:28 AM

on the other hand, the device with inkbox might charge faster because we dont fake sleeping while charging on devices where hardware allows it

The boot times are horrendous tho gotta say

Szybet

because of some hacks the main firmware does

could be implemented maybe - but propably the kernels from the manufacturer limti us

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

The boot times are horrendous tho gotta say

we preload everything at start so it wont take time later - we have more stuff, like apps, xorg

12:29 AM

xorg is like 40% of the boot time so yea

12:29 AM

turn it off, visible diffrence

ohh okay just disabled that

12:29 AM

so that's good to know

12:29 AM

I don't need that xorg

Szybet

we preload everything at start so it wont take time later - we have more stuff, like apps, xorg

also system design needs that but its worth it

I prefer wayland :)

12:30 AM

jk

12:30 AM

OH WOW boot times improved drasitcally

like i migrated my custom inkbox install, and all user data by copying a few files from an old sd card - i didnt needed to play arroudn with partitions also the update process is simple

after disableing that

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/startx check here to see why it's slow it verifies the digital signature of each additional component

kernel/initrd/common/startx at master · Kobo-InkBox/kernel

Kernel sources for InkBox OS. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/kernel development by creating an account on GitHub.

oh also: security

tux-linux

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/kernel/blob/master/initrd/common/startx check here to see why it's slow it verifies the digital signature of each additional component

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) ah right I was so hyped about that earlier

yeah then I'll take it

if someone hacks the update server, they still cant push an update

and gets your keys right?

yep, he needs to get the keys too

12:32 AM

which is hard

12:32 AM

because i think hacking nicolas would be hard

12:33 AM

he has a very slow internet connection so it would be

welp

Szybet

he has a very slow internet connection so it would be

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) lmao

let me guess, germany?

at least its unlimited

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

let me guess, germany?

canada

ah

canada is the only country apart japan where kobos are so popular

12:33 AM

so it explains a lot

I think in russia they are popular

12:34 AM

when I searched for videos

idk really

there were like 2 from russia

i dont count russia as "world" now its so isolated as north korea

getting a kobo glo from aliexpress with some chinese firmware

Well, someone put it on a russian news site https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=59349

Представлен выпуск операционной системы InkBox OS 2.0 , нацеленной на замену штатных прошивок электронных книг Kobo и Kindle. Системные компоненты InkBox OS 2.0 построены на основе дистрибутива Alpine Linux 3.10 , а в качестве пользовательского окружения задействована развиваемая тем же проектом оболочка InkBox с интерфейсом для чтения элек...

12:35 AM

Szybet's advice

the comments are like from monkeys lol

12:35 AM

yea

you understand russian?

no

google translate

12:36 AM

kinda does

ah

12:40 AM

awesomee!!! the book reader is not bad

im suprised by this statement

12:40 AM

epub?

well I am excited it works

12:40 AM

nice UI

12:41 AM

but the actual content renderer is meh

ye

12:41 AM

point out the problems, maybe you point some i didnt noticed im working on an alternative now

Can I take screenshots on inkbox?

you need to root the device

12:42 AM

then you can ssh to it and fbgrab screen.png

just make a photo

well, that too

even i do it because im too lazy for screenshots

screenshots are easier?

take more time

Szybet

take more time

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) well if you are connected via usb then not

ah right forgot i got a webcam

12:44 AM

buuut this matrix client doesnt have an option for that

um, phone?

is on my desk

12:45 AM

and I am in bed

12:45 AM

I would need to stand up, go like 2m and take it

yes i can see that as a problem

lol

i designed niaudio because i dont want to carry my phone while reading

12:46 AM

so i fully support resolving such problems

calibre vs on device

12:47 AM

clipboard.png

12:47 AM

no formatting no link no nothing

what?

oh, mac user, nice

clipboard.png

12:48 AM

i dont understand?

tux-linux

oh, mac user, nice

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) need to get back to linux, but asahi is still missing some things

but kinda got accustomed to macos, its kinda nice

Szybet

i dont understand?

it's calibre's ebook reader (edited)

Szybet

i dont understand?

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) there is no formatting

yes and?

on inkbox

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) need to get back to linux, but asahi is still missing some things

i am on m2, so kinda stuck on it for a few months i think i use UTM and an Arch aarch64 vm

you mean?

12:50 AM

what formatting is missing

12:50 AM

line tabs?

on callibre it is cursive and centered

12:50 AM

on inkbox it is normal and in the top left

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

clipboard.png

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) here Preface is in the middle with spacing and links to contents

so links missing too

inkbox usually supports formatting like that

12:52 AM

at least regarding bold/italic/underline

hmm maybe my export settings are a problem

12:53 AM

just downloaded calibre and set it to kobo glo (edited)

from an old screenshot

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

just downloaded calibre and set it to kobo glo (edited)

that probably wont work

do i need to set something specific?

we don't support calibre at all

12:56 AM

at least i've never used it with inkbox

12:56 AM

so idk?

oh, do you use something or just copy it over?

i just copy my books in the usb storage

12:58 AM

well, i more often put them on the device via ssh/scp

well I think it just generates epub files or copies them over, mainly used it because I remember using it with my kindle a long time ago when I had it

1:01 AM

because I used it for removing DRM and converting them to the MOBI format the kindle required

1:02 AM

but I downloaded an epub and put that on the device basically now

1:06 AM

clipboard.png

1:06 AM

1:07 AM

but I can modifiy it in some way to fit into screensizes, not sure what exactly that does but it basically processes the files, it outputs normall epub files tho so I am not sure what exactly the problem would be, I can send over the file if you want to check it out

the gold standard for me to develop things for inkbox via comparing to other software was okular (edited)

1:07 AM

and im sticking with it

well apple books shows the same

1:08 AM

clipboard.png

1:08 AM

I'd say some good features for the new reader would be: hiding the bar at the bottom, takes up screen real estate that could be used for the book switching pages by tapping left/right, opening the menu with a press on the bottom for example an option for a progress indicator at the bottom

ye, planned

so when I enable USB mode then do nothing and remove the usb cable all is fine, when I transfer something then eject then remove usb cable it gets stuck on usb connected

Connect the cable / disconnect it again

1:41 AM

Apart from that, tux-linux knows what to do

Szybet

Connect the cable / disconnect it again

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) yea no this did not work unfortunatley

In short, usbms and xorg have been a nightmare for us

1:41 AM

Where power daemon after developing worked, those keep breaking

where do I drop the books now? in 04-books? what are those folders?

1:42 AM

clipboard.png

1:42 AM

because I disabled encryption

1:42 AM

now everything is different

You shouldn't see those

1:42 AM

Good that I redesign it...

1:43 AM

Well remove them, and put your books into the device, without any folders anywhere

they have weird ¿executables? in them

1:43 AM

clipboard.png

1:43 AM

Something went horribly wrong, yea

that rarely happens but hm

1:45 AM

idk what causes it

1:45 AM

harmless to delete them

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

they have weird ¿executables? in them

they're just text files

tux-linux

harmless to delete them

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) oh okay

i need to force restart after each usb thing

1:47 AM

kinda weird

1:48 AM

this was happening with encryption and without folders aswell

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

i need to force restart after each usb thing

if you plug/unplug two or three times does it work

1:53 AM

i will be improving this for next release

tux-linux

if you plug/unplug two or three times does it work

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) nope

after restart I plug it into the powerbank and make it connect and disconnect and then it rescans then the books are there

and this happens only with encryption and without folders?

1:59 AM

strange

1:59 AM

can you try once again?

1:59 AM

thanks

tux-linux

and this happens only with encryption and without folders?

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) no no, this happens with, without, always basically

ok

2:06 AM

well, nice to have testers coughs

2:07 AM

(this is what happens when you work out to death to get this released, fix 10000 bugs and then you just realise it wasn't enough because someone else just used it lmao)

will try again tomorrow because its quite late here already

no problem (edited)

2:11 AM

good night

Szybet

oh also for start, you need to calibrate the size of the page, font size too: the defaults are bad for some reason? I will also fix that, but for now you need to calibrate it

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) The letters are cut off i tried to set the font size and it varies by page, do you need to calibrate on each page?

tux-linux

good night

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) good night

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) The letters are cut off i tried to set the font size and it varies by page, do you need to calibrate on each page?

it's complicated

2:14 AM

szybet should fix that hopefully

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) The letters are cut off i tried to set the font size and it varies by page, do you need to calibrate on each page?

this is the biggest issue i will address (edited)

The battery seems quite terrible, either the battery life or the battery indicator, it seems like it is taking the battery percentage directly from the voltage and when I charge it it has a higher voltage therefore it shows 100% but when I unplug it it shows 99% then 91% almost immediatly

nope, thats not normal

1:18 PM

and not, its taking it from the pmic

1:18 PM

do you have wifi turned on?

Szybet

do you have wifi turned on?

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) nope

then its not normal

4:00 PM

your device fault

with a 10 year old battery, probably

I just managed to gain ssh root access to my device. Nice

6:53 PM

so kobox apps still dont install?

Didn't try yet. At this moment it doesn't present an external drive when I plug it into the USB of my laptop.

6:55 PM

Not sure where to look for what's going on

6:59 PM

dmesg says:

[  218.010555] usb plugged 1-4
[  218.010596] power_supply mc13892_charger: charger status: online
[  218.070585] [msp_int-1656] MSP430 interrupt triggered !!!
[  232.475712] g_mass_storage: Unknown symbol usb_gadget_register_driver (err 0)
[  232.477516] g_mass_storage: Unknown symbol usb_gadget_unregister_driver (err 0)

(edited)

oh yea

7:23 PM

thats bad

7:23 PM

its the issue propably

7:23 PM

@tux-linux

!?

but you can transfer user apps via usb?

tux-linux

!?

maybe a kernel config change ( you were tinkering, idk ) changed enough that its diffrent

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Hello salat

7:42 PM

1

Transfer of user app was before I put it in root mode. But I didn't toy with kernel AFAIK

try now to do it

[matrix] Harmen

I just managed to gain ssh root access to my device. Nice

Via wifi or usb

Salat

Click to see original message

Can I upload books over wifi as well?

yes

Hmm, have to go now. Will be testing further later tonight...

tux-linux

with a 10 year old battery, probably

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) so the battery is not dropping while idle so thats good

when loading a book it takes 2-4% off the battery immediatly

idle means?

9:27 PM

maybe the battery doesnt like sudden power consumption, its old and prefers stable

9:27 PM

you can go to power settings and in experimental settigs set cpu governor to powersave which will limit the cpu

9:29 PM

and, finally: It's not normal on any ereader, hardware, software to make the battery drop 4% while the cpu runs at 100% for a while, 1%? 2? fine, but not that much

9:29 PM

in conclusion: battery needs to be replaced

Szybet

idle means?

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) left on a book then it going to sleep

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

when loading a book it takes 2-4% off the battery immediatly

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) even dropped 5%

when switching to another book to be exact

you can propably grab a battery off botland, just look up dimensions and make sure its more but not less than the current capacity and you will need to solder some cables to the new connector or just grab an off the shelf battery for the glo somewhere else (edited)

Szybet

you can go to power settings and in experimental settigs set cpu governor to powersave which will limit the cpu

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) then the loadtimes would go from over 15s to even longer

welp yea

but well book reading is kinda unusable without the autocalibration

now you know why im working on a replecement also, you can turn on scroll bars, so you will need to scroll for this uncutted content... yea its bad

Szybet

you can propably grab a battery off botland, just look up dimensions and make sure its more but not less than the current capacity and you will need to solder some cables to the new connector or just grab an off the shelf battery for the glo somewhere else (edited)

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) replacement battery costs half the price

what is the capacity in mAh?

1.5Ah

9:34 PM

1500

1500 mAh?

yea

9:34 PM

kinda huge

9:34 PM

tbh

9:34 PM

like a phone battery

https://botland.com.pl/275-akumulatory-li-pol-1s-37v?pojemnosc-mah=1500-mah

Akumulatory Li-Pol 1S 3,7V

Akumulator Li-Pol 1S 3,7 V – gwarancja stabilnego i bezpiecznego zasilania. Sprawdź atrakcyjną ofertę Botland. Zapewniamy profesjonalną obsługę.

9:35 PM

27 zł

okay maybe of like a ip6

but you would need to resolder the connector

9:35 PM

maybe you could even grab a bigger battery

9:35 PM

as of capacity

not sure how there is communication with the bms, with 2 wires, is that a thing? or is the bms on the mainboard?

there is not

9:37 PM

there is a protection circuit inside the battery and inside the pmic on the board

9:37 PM

its fine if the battery wont get hot ( its an ereader )

so there is no bms

phones have a 3 pin because they get hot so the monitor the temperature

9:37 PM

bms? the pmic is the bms

9:38 PM

it charges the battery

ahh

9:38 PM

and how does it report the capacity?

9:39 PM

nvm 1500mAh are the replacements

it doesnt

the one in mine is 1200 mAh but is reaaaly flat

andi explains it somewhere

Szybet

it doesnt

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) so it goes off the voltage propably?

you need to match the dimensions and you need to solder

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) so it goes off the voltage propably?

and some algorithms based on current in short

yea so I think my suspicions could be confirmed with it showing a much higher percentage when being charged

nope

9:41 PM

its really accurate, the percentage

9:41 PM

your battery is simply depleted at higher voltages ( so higher capacity levels) so it goes faster

it's 50x60x2

9:42 PM

hard to find such a form factor

Szybet

your battery is simply depleted at higher voltages ( so higher capacity levels) so it goes faster

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) ah yeah that is possible

its 2mm?

yeaa...

yea this will be harder then

I might be able to fit in a 3mm one

9:44 PM

but more then that no

look up some specialised stores for those batteries

9:46 PM

maybe some phones used a similar sized

9:46 PM

or less sized

9:47 PM

well still, you should be fine below 50 zl for something like that

trying out on original software the same phenomenon occuring, couple % go for opening a book

9:50 PM

so yea def the battery

9:51 PM

load times quite a lot better tho

Regarding the reader, instead of making a new solution, wouldn't it be better to maybe just use something existing open source? like for example https://github.com/baskerville/plato (written in rust btw)

GitHub - baskerville/plato: Document reader

Document reader. Contribute to baskerville/plato development by creating an account on GitHub.

1. I tried it. its confusing, with only gestures 2. we have a whole os, this is just a reader, not integrated with our stuff 3. the author doesnt like contributors - he accepted my pull request after a year, some not at all. 4. the code is really overcomplicated ( its really good, just overcomplicated in my opinion ) 5. from what i heard from some users its laggy ( not in my experience ) 6. the code - its pure rust, without adding any GUI framework - i can promise you you will never see there any statistics charts - in Qt its easier, a few clicks. Us using Qt makes us superior to koreader plato. we can make fancy gui without much effort, where koreader is all menu based and in plato its hard - just look how much of a good UI and GUI features we have while only working on it for 3 years, mostly by 1 then 2 persons the end

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oh okay, that makes sense

10:46 PM

this might be why its so quick tho, QT seems like it could take up some significant processor cycles

Plato also has the advantage of simply skipping a lot of the epub standard

10:46 PM

xD

I already have a working prototype of the new reader - the video is somewhere also we have done really harder things than this - it was just my least priority - i dont use my ereader for reading... :D

Kuratius

Plato also has the advantage of simply skipping a lot of the epub standard

a lot of text formatting is broken in plato because of this

Kuratius

Plato also has the advantage of simply skipping a lot of the epub standard

lololol? it uses mupdf like us. i think he has problems with rendering?

10:47 PM

lols

10:47 PM

as long as qt and mupdf supports this formatting, we are good to go

I'm talking about furigana and vertical text. Vertical text being broken is acceptable, furigana isnt

10:48 PM

Also I'm now wondering if there is an epub->latex converter somewhere

on every reader I tried except inkbox the formatting worked just as I shown in calibre

Kuratius

Also I'm now wondering if there is an epub->latex converter somewhere

you are looking for html > latex and yes, they exist

10:49 PM

look at pandoc maybe

Szybet

I already have a working prototype of the new reader - the video is somewhere also we have done really harder things than this - it was just my least priority - i dont use my ereader for reading... :D

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) can you send a link? would love to get a look

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig ⚡

on every reader I tried except inkbox the formatting worked just as I shown in calibre

i still dont understand your problem

Szybet

you are looking for html > latex and yes, they exist

that may fix all the issues I have with Japanese books if it works ok

matterbridge

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) can you send a link? would love to get a look

its hard to find somewhere in dev channel. basically its faster, and the pages dont cut

latex supports all the formatting needed

Szybet

its hard to find somewhere in dev channel. basically its faster, and the pages dont cut

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) ah great

Szybet

1. I tried it. its confusing, with only gestures 2. we have a whole os, this is just a reader, not integrated with our stuff 3. the author doesnt like contributors - he accepted my pull request after a year, some not at all. 4. the code is really overcomplicated ( its really good, just overcomplicated in my opinion ) 5. from what i heard from some users its laggy ( not in my experience ) 6. the code - its pure rust, without adding any GUI framework - i can promise you you will never see there any statistics charts - in Qt its easier, a few clicks. Us using Qt makes us superior to koreader plato. we can make fancy gui without much effort, where koreader is all menu based and in plato its hard - just look how much of a good UI and GUI features we have while only working on it for 3 years, mostly by 1 then 2 persons the end

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) 6 the statistics chart would be reaaly cool so yea thats a big - for me

chars look bad on monochrome displays :D

10:51 PM

look up sanki video, its not great

10:51 PM

but maybe we will implement it

10:51 PM

dont expect it in the near future, maybe ever

10:52 PM

at least from me and nicolas to develop it

Szybet

chars look bad on monochrome displays :D

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ (@mg:maximiliangaedig.com) well I mean the statistics part of it is really the important one

a historic chart would be cool tho

i wont have propably time after summer, nicolas too

10:53 PM

also there are other priorities as for software for us

yea i understand

10:54 PM

gotta make it myself if I want to propably

10:54 PM

And I really want to

10:54 PM

like to make it

10:54 PM

but need to find the time

https://github.com/NanoMichael/MicroTeX seems neat

GitHub - NanoMichael/MicroTeX: A dynamic, cross-platform, and embed...

A dynamic, cross-platform, and embeddable LaTeX rendering library - GitHub - NanoMichael/MicroTeX: A dynamic, cross-platform, and embeddable LaTeX rendering library

11:25 PM

also I can get pandoc to output latex, but it's not a valid .tex file

I checked with pandoc's pdf output, it doesnt correctly parse the furigana anyway

even pandoc?

11:41 PM

with pdfs?

11:41 PM

oh god ;/

11:41 PM

we plan to use it

I think there may be a plugin for pandoc that supports it, but I dont understand how to use it

if you find it, post it here: https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/1126492035818467378

11:42 PM

also, if you want to check, you can try if mutool supports your books

https://github.com/konn/pandoc-japanese-filters

GitHub - konn/pandoc-japanese-filters: Pandoc filters to treat Japa...

Pandoc filters to treat Japanese-specific markups. Contribute to konn/pandoc-japanese-filters development by creating an account on GitHub.

Szybet

also, if you want to check, you can try if mutool supports your books

while converting to html

Szybet

even pandoc?

you may do it before me

Szybet

even pandoc?

not pandoc... the other... poppler?

11:43 PM

sorry my bad

Szybet

not pandoc... the other... poppler?

mutool doesnt work

at all?

It works, just has broken formatting

well try poppler then

11:48 PM

we will use those two, and i dont think there is any alternatives

kimi.epub

4.68 MB

kimi.pdf

6.55 MB

kimi-mutool.pdf

19.95 MB

its not that bad

if you cant read japanese it may not be immediately obvious, but stuff like this is supposed to be above the kanji 懐かしい声 with small text above that says なつ　こえ

well thats bad

11:50 PM

i dont see any solutions to that

11:50 PM

any tool / library / anythign to help with this?

latex can render it with ruby

11:51 PM

I haven't managed to make it super pretty, but it works

hm... i was searching a year ago, and i didn't found any latex c++ renderers

11:52 PM

even if, how to implement them?...

you could just convert to pdf with the right tool

11:52 PM

probably calibre works

11:52 PM

but still

11:53 PM

you dont get the fancy ereader stuff like font resizing super easily with that

calibre is python

https://github.com/konn/pandoc-japanese-filters/blob/master/Spec.md

pandoc-japanese-filters/Spec.md at master · konn/pandoc-japanese-fi...

Pandoc filters to treat Japanese-specific markups. Contribute to konn/pandoc-japanese-filters development by creating an account on GitHub.

does even kobo support it? ( nickel ) (edited)

11:53 PM

pandoc is in a slow language too

https://github.com/steven-kraft/obsidian-markdown-furigana markdown seems to have a lot of options for furigana

GitHub - steven-kraft/obsidian-markdown-furigana: Simple Markdown t...

Simple Markdown to Furigana Rendering Plugin for Obsidian - GitHub - steven-kraft/obsidian-markdown-furigana: Simple Markdown to Furigana Rendering Plugin for Obsidian

11:55 PM

probably dont need latex if you have a markdown renderer?

python

11:56 PM

javascript

11:56 PM

did you know python interpreter launches on kobos for 30 seconds?

but I think there should be a latex renderer somewhere at least and maybe a markdown renderer with ruby support that's in C or something

11:56 PM

uuuh

11:56 PM

really?

11:56 PM

that is super weird

Kuratius

https://github.com/steven-kraft/obsidian-markdown-furigana markdown seems to have a lot of options for furigana

I'm not suggesting to use this project, just saying there seem to be markdown renderers with ruby support

11:58 PM

https://github.com/commonmark/cmark

GitHub - commonmark/cmark: CommonMark parsing and rendering library...

CommonMark parsing and rendering library and program in C - GitHub - commonmark/cmark: CommonMark parsing and rendering library and program in C

also for the time being I'm checking if microtex has ruby support

12:08 AM

https://talk.commonmark.org/t/proper-ruby-text-rb-syntax-support-in-markdown/2279

Proper ruby text () syntax support in Markdown

It is fairly common for East Asian languages (mostly CJK characters) to have ruby texts annotations; not only do they provide phonetic guides, the actual meaning of text might even differ without labeling. This technique is currently implemented in HTML as a set of tags, as demonstrated. (refer to MDN for details) 躊（ㄔㄡˊ）躇（ㄔㄨˊ）両人（ふたり） ...

12:08 AM

apparently ruby tags are part of the html spec

12:14 AM

overset works too

12:15 AM

12:16 AM

this is with microtex

Kuratius

https://github.com/NanoMichael/MicroTeX seems neat

this one

12:16 AM

so probably hacking this in as html or latex is probably not that hard

12:18 AM

this works too

test.html

332 bytes

12:18 AM

let me check that one with pandoc

12:21 AM

yep it cant parse html correctly

12:21 AM

rofl

12:22 AM

pandoc -f html -t pdf -o test.pdf test.html --pdf-engine=xelatex -V mainfont="Noto Serif CJK SC" this results in this

test.pdf

6.4 KB

12:22 AM

this is how it is supposed to look

12:23 AM

so all the capabilities are there, they just arent implemented

Realistically: if you find a qt5 markdown renderer that supports it, i will implement it (edited)

Szybet

Realistically: if you find a qt5 markdown renderer that supports it, i will implement it (edited)

apparently latex works with markdown (edited)

Well i have doubts about those written in qt and cpp

$\overset{ほん$

12:36 AM

sec

12:36 AM

$\overset{ほん}{本}$

12:36 AM

probably check if this renders correctly in your markdown parser if you have any

I dont have any

12:37 AM

Thats the point

https://pandoc.org/filters.html it seems this has code for a ruby->latex parser

12:45 AM

{-# LANGUAGE OverloadedStrings #-}
-- handleruby.hs
import Text.Pandoc.JSON
import System.Environment (getArgs)
import qualified Data.Text as T

handleRuby :: Maybe Format -> Inline -> Inline
handleRuby (Just format) x@(Link attr [Str ruby] (src,_)) =
  case T.uncons src of
    Just ('-',kanji)
      | format == Format "html" -> RawInline format $
        "<ruby>" <> kanji <> "<rp>(</rp><rt>" <> ruby <>
        "</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>"
      | format == Format "latex" -> RawInline format $
        "\\ruby{" <> kanji <> "}{" <> ruby <> "}"
      | otherwise -> Str ruby
    _ -> x
handleRuby _ x = x

main :: IO ()
main = toJSONFilter handleRuby

12:47 AM

also I will check the python thing on pmOS

12:47 AM

no way it should take that long to start the interpreter

12:49 AM

yeah takes maybe 1 second

12:49 AM

not 30

12:49 AM

let me see what happens with no lightdm

Its not my words

12:50 AM

We use compression on inkbox

maybe someone is loading a lot of scripts or something?

And it was self compied by nicolas

12:51 AM

Maybe

12:51 AM

Idk

12:51 AM

Still it was so slow i replaced everything with rust

like, technically imports can take a long time, and they can run code

12:52 AM

but it's not normally the case

Well still, this converter wont achieve much at its own

12:53 AM

and any other python programs will be slow, the end

the microlatex package I showed before wouldnt work?

12:54 AM

I can probably frankenstein something that looks like a reader

Even if, whats next?

12:54 AM

How dp you render it

microlatex package has a renderer

12:54 AM

so probably just write to framebuffer

After ypu render it, how do you make it fit the screen?

Szybet

After ypu render it, how do you make it fit the screen?

probably options in microlatex

12:54 AM

it can run command line

And split into pages?...

technically fully-featured latex can do that, idk about microlatex, will check

Kuratius

so probably just write to framebuffer

Bruh... We use qt... At this point just extract an image

It can be embedded in applications on various platforms (Android, iOS, Windows, Linux GTK, Qt...).

12:56 AM

Qt

12:57 AM

is qgui qt? https://github.com/NanoMichael/MicroTeX/blob/master/example/latex2png.cpp

MicroTeX/example/latex2png.cpp at master · NanoMichael/MicroTeX

A dynamic, cross-platform, and embeddable LaTeX rendering library - NanoMichael/MicroTeX

12:58 AM

#include "platform/qt/graphic_qt.h"

12:58 AM

I think so

1:00 AM

https://github.com/NanoMichael/MicroTeX/issues/26

Qt interface · Issue #26 · NanoMichael/MicroTeX

Hi - Are there any objections to looking at a possible Qt interface?

1:00 AM

Szybet

And split into pages?...

this part idk an easy solution for yet, but probably can be figured out

1:07 AM

manual linebreaking works, but it's obviously not ideal

1:08 AM

(and doesnt yet deal with the pagesplit stuff)

1:09 AM

strange now linebreaking works

1:10 AM

must have been some other issue

This is probably an awfully hacky way to do this

1:18 AM

but I think it would probably work

1:18 AM

I'll open an issue and ask

1:19 AM

waiiit

1:20 AM

did you mean Qt renderer instead of qt interface support? (edited)

1:20 AM

like, to deal with taps?

1:20 AM

e.g. tapping a word in the rendered text

1:20 AM

I remember you talked about something like that at some point

Kuratius

did you mean Qt renderer instead of qt interface support? (edited)

something needs to render it, idk if interface is enough ( like they supply pages as images for example )?

7:53 AM

a custom qwidget would be good enough

Szybet

something needs to render it, idk if interface is enough ( like they supply pages as images for example )?

Please don't

markdown is awesome

10:11 AM

you wont stop me if there is software for it already

Then make highlight work

in markdown? propably not

We are talking about new reader?

ye

Then why do you need to focus on markdown rendering now

i dont, i explore options

Well, final reader has to include highlight support for epubs

10:16 AM

has

it will

Good

10:20 AM

And no fixed size buttons Thanks

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4:39 AM

Hello, what brings you here?

Please tell me if it is possible to install the firmware on the Kindle (I do not know the model, firmware 5.12.2).

Is it the Kindle Touch original

4:52 AM

Probably not I would guess

4:52 AM

If you find the model or just take a picture I might be able to tell you (edited)

I hardly took off the case, it says on the lid: "model No. WP63GW"

the search engine gave out: "Kindle 7th Generation"

It's too recent sadly

if its not locked, you can port it :)

does anyone know an easy way of editing stardict dictionaries?

4:54 AM

i want to convert the koreader chinese wiktionary one to simplified characters, should be easy once i get in there

https://github.com/huzheng001/stardict-3/tree/master the tools dont work?

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i got annoyed trying to build them on cygwin, i will stop being lazy and try on linux, ty

https://github.com/huzheng001/stardict-3/blob/master/dict/doc/StarDictFileFormat this says the dictionary files contain normal strings, so probably you can replace the font somewhere or outright swap the characters brute force? (edited)

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https://github.com/huzheng001/stardict-3/blob/master/dict/doc/StarDictFileFormat this says the dictionary files contain normal strings, so probably you can replace the font somewhere or outright swap the characters brute force? (edited)

oh, thank you very much! i should've read a little closer, thank you for doing so on my behalf

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Szybet

Realistically: if you find a qt5 markdown renderer that supports it, i will implement it (edited)

does this workaround qualify?

7:19 AM

see #apps

no, sadly

7:48 AM

no webkit

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There we go, finally got my account handled right. So glad to see all the progress that's been made on this!

2

Here mostly to watch for PW5 kernel availability, but might grab something else if bluetooth keyboards are working

PW5?

Kindle Paperwhite 5

5:04 PM

an ereader that can also have a nicer keyboard paired up to be a dumb terminal for remote ssh is the dream

idk if its locked up

5:04 PM

well we have that with usb keyboard already

Yeah, having bluetoth working is just icing from a portable setup perspective. No cable sticking out of the device to snag or break.

well my usb setup doesnt have any cables ;p

How'd you rig it up?

straykneazle

Here mostly to watch for PW5 kernel availability, but might grab something else if bluetooth keyboards are working

well the sad reality is that until someone actually does it, not only waits it wont be done

Yeah

straykneazle

How'd you rig it up?

well actually it has, but hidden

5:08 PM

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/keyboard

niAudio/keyboard at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

5:08 PM

the yellow cable is hidden

5:09 PM

and there is an integrated cable that goes to the keyboard

oh neat, very cyberdeck vibes

well yes

Running a terminal, what kind of size do you find comfortable on the 6" screen? guessng 80x25 isn't comfortable

im running a whole note app on it

5:11 PM

well thanks to eink sharpness, i can comfortably type notes on it

Yeah it looks very sharp (edited)

we also have the best terminal app for eink

5:15 PM

only bluetooth is missing

5:15 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, honestly with the right build that wouldn't matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7piH2415cnY https://youtube.com/shorts/wEFmNX0sAPk?feature=share @straykneazle

InkBox OS user app: ITerm (sff) demo

gomuks (matrix client) on ITerm

1

7:19 PM

demos

~~nachat is better as a matrix app~~

It doesn't run on 2.0

it does

7:34 PM

updated it

Well ok then

Hello !

Hello

I'm starting with ereaders, thinking of buying a Pocketbook Color (named Vivlio Color in France), but wanting to open this ereader as much as possible. I've red the Inkbox wiki and the Pocketbook Color is not supported. Do you think it will happen in the future ?

if someone does it, then it will

10:46 AM

if no one does it, it won't

You mean there is no major blockers ?

95% it won't because of lack of people willing to port

[matrix] Manumerique (@Manumeriq

You mean there is no major blockers ?

not sure. for now the blocker are as mentioned lack of people

I was talking of blockers like hard to impossible reverse engineering, like it sometimes happens

10:48 AM

I'm pretty aware that humans are necessary to complete a porting

not sure, some models like kobo nia model c can take 2 weekends to port, some like the sony ereader months of work and all of that for nothing because it simply won't work

10:49 AM

it's a lottery. Kobos have higher chance of being ported

10:51 AM

oh and its multi color, we dont support that at all ( someone would need to add it )

Oh ok, important information !

10:53 AM

Thank you

I'm a developer, mostly web, using Linux and tweaking a bit. I could want to contribute in the future (For example Pocketbook support). Is it hard, am I starting from too far ? What should I know/learn to port a device ?

cpp, linux ( low level ) a bit of electronical knowledge

Ok, a lot :) (I know cpp, but not low level linux and not a lot in electronical)

you can obviously learn along the way. the main developers of this project started from almost 0 knowledge and just learned it

11:07 AM

electronics, just basics like seting up a serial console

Oh ok !

linux as in kernel compiling, how an os works etc

I'll have to kernel compile first then :)

I guess I should compile a kernel for an ARM Allwinner B288 (Pocketbook color chip) with these : https://github.com/pocketbook/kernel-b288

GitHub - pocketbook/kernel-b288

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12:12 PM

Seems like an out of tree driver

if you are sure thats the one, sure

12:12 PM

also there is risk damaging the ereader while porting, obviously

I know

12:14 PM

What are the other big challenges in porting to an other ereader, admitting you have a working kernel ?

12:19 PM

Btw, the Allwinner documentation says it supports Linux 3.10. Does this mean 3.10 kernel and newer are natively working, or that you can make it work only with 3.10 series ? https://www.allwinnertech.com/uploads/pdf/2016090918361199.pdf

making it to boot making eink work making wifi work usb related things too

[matrix] Manumerique (@Manumeriq

Btw, the Allwinner documentation says it supports Linux 3.10. Does this mean 3.10 kernel and newer are natively working, or that you can make it work only with 3.10 series ? https://www.allwinnertech.com/uploads/pdf/2016090918361199.pdf

hard to tell. propably newer too if the driver is open source

Ok ! Thanks for the roadmap ;)

Is Inkbox based on an other distro ? Like Alpine ?

we use alpine rootfs for half of the system

12:31 PM

literally half, its curred in half

12:31 PM

so we have a package manager

Nice !

Szybet

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/keyboard

would you be interested in porting something like Orca?

REM

would you be interested in porting something like Orca?

What? Orca? The animal?

https://git.sr.ht/~rabbits/orca

its just a cli program written in C

12:47 PM

so it could work, why not

12:47 PM

but i dont see the point? explain further why?

oh, it can be used over a network

1:06 PM

it can output MIDI/OSC

1:06 PM

so it might be a nice use for an ereader by a musician who'd like a novel midi device (edited)

1:07 PM

when synced up with a master clock the network issues on a local network wouldn't be a problem

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

might be a good first project for me

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Hello oresk

1:49 PM

new account?

1:49 PM

bot?

new account, just signed in

oh ok cool

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test

test: command not found

I wonder how I can see rooms available in a server

10:34 PM

had to join general with element to see the channel in gomuks

on what are you

10:35 PM

well yes, you need to use a generic client to explore spaces, join channels - then with those worse clients use them

10:35 PM

why are you using gomuks? go with nachat

This project is in early development and is not yet suitable for regular use.

it does lack many things

10:37 PM

is it usable for everyday use? yes? better than those cli clients

honestly the cli client is good enough for me except for image display

10:38 PM

I just want something that isnt a webapp

yeee i support image display

10:38 PM

are you on an ereader at all?

and probably joining rooms could be fixed with a command that lists them

10:38 PM

no

10:38 PM

I am not on an ereader

well on desktop use neochat

10:38 PM

qt cpp

Szybet

test: command not found

Command returned exit code 0

[matrix] kuratius

I just want something that isnt a webapp

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ nheko

I use it and while it is not the most beautiful thing it works

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HI I have a bizare proble, I have a kobo glo n613 but I think the software is for n514 so I can't install inkbox

It's possible?

@tux-linux this mess again

what

someone had this problem already

what is your serial number

6:34 PM

can you see the photos ?

It should run fine

6:34 PM

Try it

6:34 PM

the n613 image

yes I tried with image n613 but it start normaly

6:37 PM

I create the image with balena and via terminal

6:38 PM

The slot is well because I push ebook via sd

it won't work

you need to open the device

we haven't implemented that

well i dont understand

soo There is a doc expanation about that ?

6:40 PM

I followed instruction of the site

6:40 PM

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Installation

https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2014/06/19/kobo-aura-hd-dual-boot-android-hack-tutorial/

Ha it's a phyficaly change of SD

6:45 PM

excuseme for my stupid question

the last question: It's possible to change the sd by other of 16gb ?

thanks you

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Hi all! My Kobo Aura freezes constantly, Is this a good server for asking for help? Otherwise can you please suggest the correct discord server?

Probably not, but we can help

It depends if the kobo aura is running inkbox, it doesnt propably, im not even sure its supported

Which Aura is it (edited)

Kobo Aura, original

Well, emmc

3:35 PM

probably not much luck

tux-linux

Probably not, but we can help

well you can

you tried factory reset?

Yes

3:35 PM

Tried charging

3:35 PM

Updating

3:35 PM

Dowgrading

How does it freeze

Installing KOReader

3:35 PM

If you stop using it for 5 mins

3:36 PM

It constantly freezes

if you leave it plugged in does it still freeze

It's even quite difficult to restart it (edited)

3:36 PM

Yes

3:36 PM

It even freezes when I put in the charger sometimes

Well, I don't know sorry Maybe getting serial console or dmesg via ssh could help But even there, knowing the problem, there probably isn't much more to do

Of course there is, just not for normal people

3:40 PM

So i wont even go further

3:40 PM

Just making a point

What if I install android?

3:51 PM

If it freezes in android then it is an hardware issue I guess?

How dp you install android

?

Nathan

Kobo Aura HD Dual-Boot Android Hack Tutorial | The eBook Reader Blog

Last week I posted a video showing the Kobo Glo hacked to run Android. Now I've got Android running on my Kobo Aura HD too, and it's even better because I used the dual-boot hack that enables the option to boot either the internal stock Kobo operating system or the Android operating system from a

Aura hd not aura

Thx

9:39 PM

Can anyone suggest a good server for Kobo support?

there are none

Too bad..

our is the most active kobo related

Hello, I wanted to ask about installation

2:39 PM

I have a kobo glo hd microsd card which when I run lsblk on my system I get these partitions:

2:39 PM

mmcblk0 179:0 0 3,7G 0 disk ├─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 256M 0 part /run/media/saligari/rootfs ├─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 256M 0 part /run/media/saligari/recoveryfs └─mmcblk0p3 179:3 0 3,2G 0 part /run/media/saligari/KOBOeReader

2:40 PM

do I run dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 like it says on github or do I choose something like mmcblk0p3?

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Installation

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/blob/master/LEGAL.md

2:41 PM

hello btw

Hello, thanks inkbox-bot but I've read this, I am thinking probably overwriting everything

2:42 PM

but I just wanted to make sure

Yes, overwrite everything

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:mat

Hello, thanks inkbox-bot but I've read this, I am thinking probably overwriting everything

its a discord bridge

Make a backup before

alright! I actually have two sdcards so it's cool

as i can see you have more than average knowledge for linux & computers, then consider this: https://github.com/Szybet/eink-waveforms

2:45 PM

its diffrent for the glo ( addresess ), propably not needed anyway

inkbox/LEGAL.md at master · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

2:45 PM

for waveforms

alright, I'll look into it, although you probably think I know more than I do haha

you launched a linux shell

2:52 PM

you are above average, 70% for sure ;p

hahha sure, thanks a lot for working on this! You've made sanki right?

yep, i'm the author

cool that's why I'll be trying out inkbox

cool, @tux-linux look ;)

from what I understand it doesn't sync over ankiweb, you have to do it locally?

sanki runs on nickel too, but as of support for it and features, its better on inkbox

Szybet

sanki runs on nickel too, but as of support for it and features, its better on inkbox

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:matrix.org) yeah I saw you recently added support and I thought to try it out on inkbox to be sure it works as intended

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:mat

from what I understand it doesn't sync over ankiweb, you have to do it locally?

ankiweb doesnt have an public API, so you need to sync over with your local sanki app, using my program that exports it

2:55 PM

fast and easy on linux so no worries

matterbridge

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:matrix.org) yeah I saw you recently added support and I thought to try it out on inkbox to be sure it works as intended

as for sanki on inkbox, you can expect from me really fast bug fixes if there were any needed ;)

thanks ❤️ I'll be sure to ping you if I get any issues

2:58 PM

for the moment I'm mostly using decks without images so I feel I should be fine

images are fully supported, the only problem is they must be resized while creating the deck

2:59 PM

otherwise they will overflow the screen and scrollbars will appear

hm that doesn't sound too bad

also download the recent release from the main repo, not from inkbox user applications repo https://github.com/Szybet/sanki

why don't you updat eit

there are other apps btw, like rss reader, matrix client and some others ;)

tux-linux

why don't you updat eit

i was pushing like 3 bug fixing releases in 3 days so

3:01 PM

i forgot

yeah I've noticed but I mostly want to be offline

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ok

I'm hoping anki will help me with exams & learning Spanish

. Had used it during university, made thousands of cards and then never revised

3:02 PM

‍♂️

it helps me a lot in school

oof you're in school? and you've made all this

in a year i go to university if i pass

3:03 PM

tux-linux the same

well good luck! You've already achieved a lot

3:04 PM

what do you want to study?

Szybet

tux-linux the same

two

?

tux-linux

two

and you already study so much? welp...

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:mat

well good luck! You've already achieved a lot

thanks

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:mat

what do you want to study?

programming, im already in a school that half prepares me into university, and half into IT ( not like i learn here a lot, html is boring )

3:06 PM

the bridge cuts off replies so it may be confusing

ah thanks, I realized it like a couple seconds later

3:07 PM

well you certainly seem to know a lot already

3:07 PM

should have studied programming myself

I would say that i don't know much, but i learned a bit already

3:07 PM

its always not to late to learn

I'm thinking of trying to get into university to study maths but unfortunately the older you get, the more responsibilities you have, less free time because of work etc

yea, its sadly like that. I already experience this

I'm in my mid 20s and when I was in school we had free time

3:10 PM

although I suppose it depends and where one is from etc

3:11 PM

ffs I can't seem to open my kobo (edited)

with what tool do you try

some plastic set I had for opening up my phone

try near the edges

3:13 PM

like 1-2 cm from the edges

3:14 PM

insert the tool deep and then try to release the "snaps" of the case

3:16 PM

the first opening is hard - thats why youtube videos showing it can look easy

will manage it, I see that inkbox is quite large, it takes up most of the space on my 4gb card, is that normal?

3:16 PM

I'd seen somewhere that one can use an 8gb card, don't know if you can use a larger one

you mean partitions or files in partitions?

3:16 PM

you can use a larger one no problem

Szybet

you can use a larger one no problem

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:matrix.org) how large can you go?

as large the cpu allows... no idea

ha apparently pretty large https://old.reddit.com/r/kobo/comments/9cf564/modded_my_kobo_glo_hd_to_have_128gb_of_internal/

r/kobo - Modded my Kobo Glo HD to have 128gb of Internal Storage :)

15 votes and 11 comments so far on Reddit

cool

IMG_20230808_162324.jpg

3:23 PM

Success

hm in an .epub I'm testing the last line is half cut-off in the reader

[matrix] saligari (@saligari:mat

hm in an .epub I'm testing the last line is half cut-off in the reader

[matrix] Maximilian Gaedig

️ Yeah szybet is working on that

its sadly like that for now. im already working on an alternative, 35% complete already

4:20 PM

for now you can enable scroll bars / calibrate the width height to make it "acceptable"

do you have any ideas on how to best read a .pdf file on an e-reader? I've tried https://www.willus.com/k2pdfopt/ but haven't managed to get it right

its hard, those solutions won't work for all books

6:47 PM

the inkbox pdf reader is not bad as for speed

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Welcom

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hello! what brings you here

blix joined the server. 8/11/2023 3:17 AM

Hello, what brings you here?

just got a kobo aura and was looking to try out inkbox

3:19 AM

i saw this discord and was just checking to see if there was any more information before makig my decision

Which model number

N236

It's supported

it says there's an SD card in here. i'm assuming i have to take off the back panel and remove it and i can't just flash it connected to my computer?

Yes, basically

oof. alright. i'll wait until tomorrow to do that. It seems pretty straightforward. but if i run into any isuses, i'll return!

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Be careful when taking the cover off

3:23 AM

Nice

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New account, welcome

8:08 PM

welcome, linus?

Hi hello

what brings you here

I want to try out Inkbox on the Kindle Touch and saw that I have to request the Image on the discord server

so @tux-linux

Linus

I want to try out Inkbox on the Kindle Touch and saw that I have to request the Image on the discord server

and tldr you need to wait a bit

Szybet

and tldr you need to wait a bit

Ok no problem

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The kobo nia model A usb cable is reaaaly high quality as of interference protection, in fact its the first cable i saw that has the GND as a copper shielding arround ~~I know this because i cutted it off~~ (edited)

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Hey guys, I just got inkbox up and running on my N905C. Just trying to figure out if theres a way to change the time/timezone on it? I looked through the settings/tried tapping on the actual time in the top right but couldnt find any options, also looked through the wiki a bit but didnt see anything. Am I missing something obvious?

10:06 PM

Just took another look and saw the arrows on the settings page

‍♂️

hey

10:07 PM

yea, its there

Can anyone here remind me how koreader manages if your highlighted text is on the bottom and a dialog from the bottom appears? is the text hidden then?

The dialog adapts to text position

1:41 PM

=nightmare

adapts how

Sometimes puts itself on top or on the line below the text

hey thats easy to do

1:42 PM

i can just move the dialog to the top of the screen

Most of the time it’s centrées

what

Centered

nah

its not the highlight

1:44 PM

i mean the process of choosing the highlight

Then wdym

1:45 PM

If text is in center of page the dialog is still centered

it just is over on top of it and no one cares?

1:46 PM

https://gcide.gnu.org.ua/

GNU Collaborative International Dictionary of English

1:46 PM

this is trash btw

1:46 PM

and i doubt the one inkbox uses is better

It’s 100yo

then whats the point of it

Open license

lol

Public domain

lool

1:47 PM

this doesnt mean its good

Also some definitions are still fine probably

still, useless for me i would search in a dictionary specific complicated words, not something that doesn't know what even uart is

Copy wiktionary?

ewired joined the server. 8/23/2023 8:17 AM

welcom

hey, I guess I'm a kobo homebrew developer now lol

8:23 AM

I have a clara 2e and added a remote browsing app to plato and it's working great https://github.com/baskerville/plato/pull/316

Remote Display proof-of-concept by ewired · Pull Request #316 · bas...

A Remote Display application for Plato, tested on Clara 2E. A websocket server relays arbitrary JSON commands and converts viewport capture PNGs from a Firefox extension to compressed bitmaps for t...

vnc?

8:24 AM

have you any demo?

not vnc although I did start searching mobileread to see prior remote desktop things and that's how I found inkbox

8:25 AM

it just sends compressed bitmaps (zlib PBM specifically) over wifi (edited)

so what is it?

netpbm images compressed with zlib (edited)

ewired

not vnc although I did start searching mobileread to see prior remote desktop things and that's how I found inkbox

we have a kinda working vnc xorg client, there is also a very not working rust vnc client if you want to look into that

ewired

netpbm images compressed with zlib (edited)

so... it just shows images from another machine?

if there is a good rust vnc library it wouldn't be super hard to add vnc to plato

https://github.com/everydayanchovies/eink-vnc

GitHub - everydayanchovies/eink-vnc

Contribute to everydayanchovies/eink-vnc development by creating an account on GitHub.

there is a server that takes images from a firefox addon then sends them to the kobo

8:27 AM

and takes commands from the kobo and sends them to firefox

Szybet

https://github.com/everydayanchovies/eink-vnc

there is one already, it uses plato code but is a seperate app because plato doesnt accept pull request...

ewired

there is a server that takes images from a firefox addon then sends them to the kobo

thats cool

8:28 AM

how does it work? on eink? a demo would be cool

I will record a demo real quick

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we would love to see your app ported to Inkbox

8:31 AM

as I mentioned, sadly dont expect it merged to plato - the author doesnt accept pull request - he accepted my fixes for emulator after a year https://github.com/baskerville/plato/pull/281 this nice app wasn't accepted at all there is a fork of plato because of all of that

this works great! its so much better than the vnc client that barely works ( even our xorg one )!

I like this better than vnc because it's like the browser on-device and not generalized to any desktop mouse input

yep, so much better

though you can write a program that sends any images you want to the server, it just has to use a websocket

yep i understand the concept

all plato gestures are encoded with serde and sent as-is, so that might be a problem for alternative implementations

8:42 AM

unless everyone wants to be json type compatible with plato gestures

8:42 AM

or a more generic gesture protocol is designed

nah this is fine

8:43 AM

there is no standard for sending gestures across network

8:43 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm glad you like it, where is the active fork of plato?

well idk and idk if its still active

8:45 AM

i might port your app to InkBox in the far future if you wont

currently I just have a clara 2e so I don't want to chance bricking it with another firmware, but yeah, the netpbm format has a lot of libraries, and the gestures have to be plato compatible, and that's all you'd need

8:47 AM

I am going to add a local and remote menu system

8:47 AM

also I originally was going to use a websocket server directly on the device and go straight from firefox to kobo, but I couldn't accept tcp connections with rust, that was a huge pain to figure out lol

8:48 AM

it was like "function not implemented" or something similar

8:48 AM

on the device only

ewired

currently I just have a clara 2e so I don't want to chance bricking it with another firmware, but yeah, the netpbm format has a lot of libraries, and the gestures have to be plato compatible, and that's all you'd need

well i understand I will just purge plato code and launch this app directly

ewired

currently I just have a clara 2e so I don't want to chance bricking it with another firmware, but yeah, the netpbm format has a lot of libraries, and the gestures have to be plato compatible, and that's all you'd need

Inkbox install requires swapping sd cards anyway, you can't actually brick your original one

but you can damage your device, especially when porting ( 2e is not supported... )

10:11 AM

so i didnt encoureged him to do it

10:11 AM

i understand the fear, I had those thoughts when porting the nia A

10:12 AM

well i ended up with the most modified nia on the planet so... fear goes away when knowledge goes in

I don't even know where the SD card is at lol

10:13 AM

all I see is a USB-C port

well, inside ;p

I guess there is a back plate I could remove yeah

well if you want you could do it

I would have to use a spudger to get into it I think

we already compiled the clara 2e kernel, you know how to code so, the way is straight forward to do it really

ewired

I would have to use a spudger to get into it I think

yep

Szybet

we already compiled the clara 2e kernel, you know how to code so, the way is straight forward to do it really

+ support in qt platform plugin exists

10:15 AM

if you are interested, create a thread at #porting and ping me there

10:15 AM

also if you plan to create more apps for kobo, we support user apps for inkbox which makes things easier

I may get another kobo with a bigger display, then I will be willing to tinker with the clara 2e

10:18 AM

I'm really happy with how relatively open the kobo platform is

yep

10:19 AM

sadly nickel very often ( even without updated ) removes nickel menu and others so that can be an issue

10:20 AM

so here is inkbox

10:20 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_nB-NEw3c

KDE's Marble on InkBox OS

11:55 AM

it is up now sorry

11:56 AM

though still processing

i see

11:56 AM

thanks

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also as i see maybe it would have been better if you rotated it but anyway

nah

11:57 AM

whatever

ok

@ewired where is the browser extension source code?...

in contrib/remote-display-webext in my fork

8:53 AM

trying to keep everything in the same repo

ok cool

the server is contrib/remote-display-server.ts and it runs in deno like deno run -A contrib/remote-display-server.ts and you need to have imagemagick installed for convert

sure

8:54 AM

idk when i will be able to make it a standalone app to port it to inkbox

8:54 AM

maybe you will be interested in doing something like that?

8:55 AM

because it will be never accepted to the main source code sadly

can inkbox run plato already? or does it need to be made to use xorg?

i ported plato sketch as a standalone app

8:55 AM

so yes, it can natively

where do you have that port of plato sketch? I can look at that and copy what you did (edited)

https://github.com/Szybet/sketch-inkbox

GitHub - Szybet/sketch-inkbox: Draw sketches on e-paper - fork for ...

Draw sketches on e-paper - fork for inkbox. Contribute to Szybet/sketch-inkbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

8:57 AM

i purged plato's code while remaining the backend, and launched sketch

8:58 AM

you would need few dialogs to input the ip / port of the server propably so its more complicated

yeah I need to add that to my current fork of plato first

sure

8:59 AM

if you would do that, creating a user app would take me 5 minutes packaging it, so it would be awesome (edited)

yeah I can get it separated to where I launch it independently from plato via nickelmenu

yep, you could also do that with the same binary

9:04 AM

consider posting it on mobileread forums after you finish

9:04 AM

statistically 2 more people will know about your project ;p

Hello. I bought a Kobo Glo because it has InkBox, flashed the image on the SD card, inserted into the device, but still loads in the stock firmware, what am I doing wrong? Used BalenaEtcher

you opened the device?

What do you mean? Right now it's asking for the WiFi password

did you opened the device and unplugged the sd card

Internal sd requires backcover removal

there are 2 sd cards slot?

Does the glo have an external slot?

Yes

welp you need to open the device and insert it into the internal one

Oh, that's a little hard. You have a video?

nope, google it

Okay, thanks for info

Do you have a plastic opening tool?

No

https://youtu.be/O7FuyPwc7Iw?si=jqjUoSXpaoteY5jX

Good e-Reader

The Kobo Glo HD has a Secret SD Card

1:40 PM

This guy does it with his nails lol

Thanks!

I used an ifixit opening tool on my nia

1:42 PM

Kuratius

This guy does it with his nails lol

painfull to watch painfull to do

I open it

also he was only able to do it because he did it before and the plastic is damaged already

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwi

I open it

well you are fast

Ultra lol, sdcard ahahaha

1:47 PM

It's up and running, thanks for your help and also for this great project!

1:48 PM

Any info on the Kindle KT2? Saw what's available under KT, but by request.

if someone will port it then it will be available

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwi

Ultra lol, sdcard ahahaha

Keep the original sd card for later and make a full disc clone image just in case

Szybet

if someone will port it then it will be available

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwix:matrix.org) What's the installation process there? Interesting to know

Kuratius

Keep the original sd card for later and make a full disc clone image just in case

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwix:matrix.org) Thanks, I think I'll backup it.

matterbridge

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwix:matrix.org) What's the installation process there? Interesting to know

its porting trying to run the software, writing new, adjusting things

matterbridge

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwix:matrix.org) Thanks, I think I'll backup it.

There are hidden partitions, so you need an external reader and use dd or similar software

1:50 PM

Copying files doesn't work

Szybet

its porting trying to run the software, writing new, adjusting things

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwix:matrix.org) Is there replacing all the software or just running in chroot? For Kindle device

replacing all

Cool

What should I do if I can't get out of USB connected mode? The cable's been disconnected

wait a bit

2:19 PM

connect and disconnect

2:19 PM

again

2:19 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've been waiting for probably over a minute. And the device has become very slow

very slow? how can you tell that?

Slow menu loading, responsive to presses

you said you are stuck on the usb mode arent you?

2:21 PM

send an image

I also need to pull back the sd card to do a resize(

2:23 PM

Is there any way to transfer books via sftp?

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Resizing_USB_mass_storage

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Resizing_USB_mass_storage

Szybet

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwix:matrix.org) I know, thanks

[matrix] Чайник (@cakestwi

Is there any way to transfer books via sftp?

you can root the device and use scp

2:28 PM

or update rootfs and use syncthing app

What to do if the text in a large font goes off the screen and the next page does not have that text?

you need to calibrate width and height in the settings a new reader which supports images and doesnt have such problems is in works

and enable scrollbars (edited)

and wait till i finish the new one...

One last thing, I guess. I couldn't resize mkdir inkbox && sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdxp4 inkboxusb Here we create an inkbox directory and mount to a different directory, is this an error in the documentation? qemu-img resize ./inkboxusb/onboard 25G Did this command, took the card out and put it in and still 500mb available, what did I do wrong?

describe what you did one by one

9535  lsblk
 9536  sudo growpart /dev/sdd4
 9537  yay growpart
 9538  sudo growpart /dev/sdd4
 9539  sudo growpart /dev/sdd 4
 9540  sudo resize2fs /dev/sdd4
 9541  sudo resize2fs /dev/sdd 4
 9542  sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sdd4
 9543  sudo resize2fs /dev/sdd4
 9544  mkdir inkbox && sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdd4 inkboxusb
 9545  sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdd4 inkboxusb/
 9546  sudo mount /dev/sdd4 inkboxusb/
 9547  sudo mount /dev/sdd4 inkboxusb
 9548  ls
 9549  mkdir inkboxusb
 9550  sudo mount /dev/sdd4 inkboxusb
 9551  qemu-img resize ./inkboxusb/onboard 25G
 9552  sudo qemu-img resize ./inkboxusb/onboard 25G
 9553  umount /dev/sdd4
 9554  sudo umount /dev/sdd4

now check if onboard is 25G?

+

4:59 PM

File is 25gb

And its still 500 Mb?

Szybet

And its still 500 Mb?

[matrix] Чайник Yes

On this discord is another guide for it

11:08 AM

Search for messages with dd

11:08 AM

You need to root the device

Oh ypu are not on discord

12:29 PM

Remind me in a few hours and i will find it

12:30 PM

And add it to the wiki too

Szybet

Remind me in a few hours and i will find it

[matrix] Чайник

dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/storage/onboard bs=1M count=128
mkfs.vfat /data/storage/onboard

6:52 PM

Do it in inkbox shell

6:52 PM

Ypu meed tp root the device

6:52 PM

When the device is booting, spam the power button the select root in diagnostics mode

6:52 PM

Then log in via ssh

6:52 PM

And before those commands launch service inkbox_gui stop

6:53 PM

I hope you understand that this project is being done by 2 students mainly, dont expect too much

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We.lcome

Hi

Szybet

I hope you understand that this project is being done by 2 students mainly, dont expect too much

[matrix] Чайник A very cool project, if you ask me. Thank you for this!

And by the way, limit the height

a complete rewrite is being made, no unneceserry calibration, it will be automatic

Make an option to be able to hide the title since this part jerks when the time changes

where?

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10:16 PM

a piegon

10:16 PM

pigeon

10:16 PM

i love those creatures

hi

hello

oh theres a bridge

thats me

yes

does the inkbox work on the kobo libra 2?

if its not listed on the website / wiki then its propably not ported

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Howdy. ^_^ I have dug up my libra h2o and want to see if I can inkbox it.

9:37 AM

but it does seem to have it's SD card soldered to the board :/

you would need to port it

10:09 AM

yes, the soldered eemc is a problem but we could live with it

10:09 AM

as in pinned comment about porting:

10:09 AM

Hard? Maybe, impossible? Maybe, but easy? Maybe too? Time consuming so most people give up? Certainly

10:09 AM

anyway Hi

Thx for the info. I was a little confused initially because I thought there was already a port for it

idk if there is

10:12 AM

look up #porting thread for it

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also @b3nj can i ask how you got here? lately for no reason a lot people star our project ( as seen at #bot ) and we are curious

Oh, this was posted in lobste.rs: https://rmkit.dev/eink-is-so-retropunk/

E-ink is so Retropunk

I’ve long been struggling to describe why e-ink is so much fun for me, but Ithink I’ve finally realized what it is: e-ink is just so so so retropunk.

10:29 AM

It mentions Inkbox

10:30 AM

that article may have been posted in hn also

This explain a lot

10:31 AM

well its a cool article

10:31 AM

thanks for answering

10:32 AM

@tux-linux mystery solved

Np. I heard of the project a little while back but there was no support for N873 at the time

almost no one is willing to port devices

10:33 AM

i dont think any contributor ported one? only I and the creator of the project, nicolas

Yeah the wiki confused me because it's listed as supported but the general installation instructions talk of removing the card

10:35 AM

So I guess I'm out of luck

10:36 AM

very cool project regardless

really?

10:36 AM

um

10:36 AM

then its supported

10:36 AM

but hard to install

10:40 AM

easy to brick the device that you propably wouldn't be able to unbrick it (edited)

hi everyone! quick question that I'm sure has been answered before but I can't seem to find an up-to-date answer anywhere from some searching: is there any support for the clara HD yet? I've seen this[0] repo, but it seems like it's a scarier path towards a working inkbox installation than there is for other devices. [0]: https://github.com/aartoni/n249

GitHub - aartoni/n249: Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes

Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes. Contribute to aartoni/n249 development by creating an account on GitHub.

until you know linux better than windows and know electronics to the level of cutting off traces and resoldering them then dont do it, if you brick it you wont be able to unbrick it

[matrix] vesto

hi everyone! quick question that I'm sure has been answered before but I can't seem to find an up-to-date answer anywhere from some searching: is there any support for the clara HD yet? I've seen this[0] repo, but it seems like it's a scarier path towards a working inkbox installation than there is for other devices. [0]: https://github.com/aartoni/n249

Hi, its work in progress, 80% completed

10:42 AM

you can help if you want

!!! that's very exciting

10:43 AM

potentially! what kind of help would be useful?

c++ / c / kernel dev for the problems we are facing now

oof, that may be out of my line of expertise unfortunately :(

i could send you the porting thread on discord as a html file if you are interested in looking at that

10:44 AM

well ok, sure

10:45 AM

later we will need testers for this device

I mean, I'm a decent engineer but I've yet to venture into the low-level world of kernel dev

10:45 AM

yeah that I think I could be interested in helping with!

Szybet

until you know linux better than windows and know electronics to the level of cutting off traces and resoldering them then dont do it, if you brick it you wont be able to unbrick it

Yeah I think I'll leave it for now lel. I can't solder my way out of a paper bag

also ya'll are awesome for doing this work- I read https://rmkit.dev/eink-is-so-retropunk/ this morning and was immediately so excited about the idea of running linux on my kobo

E-ink is so Retropunk

I’ve long been struggling to describe why e-ink is so much fun for me, but Ithink I’ve finally realized what it is: e-ink is just so so so retropunk.

10:47 AM

very inspiring stuff ❤️

well if you are an engineer, then you can propably c++ and stuff? We will have many places in the system need adjustment for the clara I can ask the guys there if you could help with anything if you want

it does sound like it could be an interesting learning experience in all honesty, I just don't want to commit myself to something and then bail out to the detriment of the project

i will ask then, dont expect a fast answer tho

no worries. I'll stick around in this matrix channel to feel free to ping me if there's something I can be of use for.

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Szybet

you would need to port it

it is

12:57 PM

but you need manual install which i probably don't have time to explain

after flashing uboot / inkbox kernel the rest i could explain, propably?

maybe

12:59 PM

he needs to remake partition table

12:59 PM

aka mess with the kobo (edited)

https://github.com/aartoni/n249

GitHub - aartoni/n249: Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes

Kobo Clara HD and InkBox notes. Contribute to aartoni/n249 development by creating an account on GitHub.

1:03 PM

is this the process to do that?

no

1:04 PM

it's more complicated and you end up with like 7 partitions

1:04 PM

i don't have time to explain it now

1:04 PM

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/934478430903337020 what you can do is maybe look here

1:04 PM

but of course you're on matrix so it won't work

i can send the html file

1:05 PM

i can export it

1:05 PM

if you want

ok

1:05 PM

thanks

1:05 PM

@vesto thats for now

9:41 AM

@b3nj or other people who have a lobster account, can you tell that guy that:

tolinos are almost kobos, inkbox images work for their tolinos counter part very often
InkBox has a full blown RSS guard ported to it, as a user app

9:47 AM

lobster has a very interesting system of inviting people

oh actually writing docs is maybe something I could do

9:47 AM

I'm a p good technical writer

if you are interested, you can migrate the wiki to github wiki

9:48 AM

and add there the clara info there

9:49 AM

or just write there only about the clara, your decission So you want the export of the chat?

is the project on github or gitlab? the official website points to the GL repos

9:50 AM

yeah sure I can take a peek. I'd say I need to try installing it on my clara myself before I can properly write up the docs but I think I can do that.

it was on gitlab, but as the project grow from 1 developer to 2, we are migrating to github

if I just use a different SD card I can put the original back in if I screw it up, right?

yep, no problem with that

oh yeah that's like no risk then

9:50 AM

yeah gimme that export. it's rainy and sad here for the next few days so maybe I can find a time to give it a shot.

in a minute i will send it

9:55 AM

for now write at #2 - Inkbox channel until i create a space and porting threads there, i dont have permissions right now

Szybet

it was on gitlab, but as the project grow from 1 developer to 2, we are migrating to github

*mirroring

nope ;p

1:27 PM

well, we still argue about that ;p

yes

hehe I'm always biased against github in favor of OSS but I understand the practicality of github for os projects :)

3:05 PM

would it be helpful for me to submit a PR that starts migrating the mediawiki content over to github wiki?

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Hello, is it possible to run this on a Libra 2? I'd search, but can't see messages before I joined.

[matrix] vesto

would it be helpful for me to submit a PR that starts migrating the mediawiki content over to github wiki?

yes, thats exactly what i would want

8:01 PM

it would be helpfull

[matrix] vesto

hehe I'm always biased against github in favor of OSS but I understand the practicality of github for os projects :)

well OSS is better, but first we need funds for something self hosted and not a crappy slow server, we barely have 2 downloads servers

[matrix] 𝕁𝕚𝕚𝕓𝕦

Hello, is it possible to run this on a Libra 2? I'd search, but can't see messages before I joined.

hello, nope, not ported

8:01 PM

you could port it

A bummer, but I understand! I'd do it if I had any dev inclinations.

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Hi, nice to see there's a Matrix Space. Is this bridged with discord? I came looking for the channel about porting to Clara HD that was mentioned here https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/4

Kobo Clara HD · Issue #4 · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

Hi, does Inkbox run on Kobo Clara HD EInk reader?

Yes, but currently that channel hasn't been bridged (edited)

Ok good to know, thanks! The I'll have a look with discord some time and see. I just don't use it usually. Anyway, thanks for setting this up, really lowers the barrier for some :)

hello, I have a couple of questions. i picked up an n613 just to try out this project. I'm trying to figure out a good way to move books around. My calibre server is on a windows box, and the inkbox USB connection doesn't seem to be recognized. It works just fine on my linux box. So, I guess, first question, should windows be able to recognize the inbox device (for calibre book management)? Second question, I have to turn on wifi and manually connect frequently. I'm sorta under the impression there may be some rooting involved for better hardware control and auto wifi connection, ssh stuff. If I need to do that, can you point me in the right direction? Third question, I see that syncthing is a thing. That may be my best direction for book management. I don't see much on the readme, but this is clearly a newish addon for inkbox. I looked at the create.sh file on github, and I'm seeing some ssh stuff which leads me to believe I need to investigate rooting a bit further. Just reading through history, @Szybet mentions "update rootfs and use sything app" ... Can you point this inkbox-noob in the right direction? I think I need to root this, but I'm not searching for the right thing.

hello 1. windows should, if it doesnt and linux does, then we cant do anything about it. We dont support callibre 2. you can automate things for sure, you need to root the device first, to do it: -- turn off the device -- when its booting up, spam the power button many times -- then in diagnostics select reset and root 3. you dont need to create the syncthing app, the script is for me to automate deployment - First root the device, then I will explain updating the rootfs (edited)

thank you for the response. 1. I guess it doesn't really matter why i'm having a windows connection issue if calibre support isn't there. I'd prefer syncthing to plugging it in. 2. hmm, okay. I will figure this out and follow up. I don't have the right timing, yet. I've attempted a few times.

you need to spam the button very early

7:15 PM

or try the resert button too

7:15 PM

im not sure

Hey, I got it. You really really have to spam the crap out of the power "slide". The led cycles between blue and green a bit, and finally flashed between green and off rapidly. So, reset and root, it prompts "onboard storage size (MiB)": with a default of "64". Any reason to change it?

yep, change to 512

7:23 PM

the defailt is stupid really

7:24 PM

its still small

7:24 PM

also: it will take long to make, consider connecting it to power and leaving it for half an hour

i really appreciate the info, and quick response ... i'll do that. I also have 1024 as an option. I'm not sure if the options are based on sd card size or some other chip on the device. should i spring for 1024? thanks again.

how big is your sd card

16gb

then go with 1024

7:27 PM

you can expend it to 10Gb later manually anyway

i understand. cool and thanks.

Rooting on the n613 was successful. I searched discord history and saw that I needed to 'enable USBNet flag' to enable ssh ... I was able to ssh into the kobo: root/root . All good! How do I install the syncthing app from the repo and configure it? I've been using syncthing for a while now. I'm a big fan, it's changed the way I use computers.

let's make it as easy as possible

7:50 AM

execute the command that is gived to you at login to make the rootfs rw (edited)

7:50 AM

ifsctl rw mnt something something

then use nano /etc/init.d/gui_apps and replace the file with the content of this one https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/etc/init.d/gui_apps and then run sshfs, download the syncthing zip from user apps repo and extract it to /data/onboard/.apps/ then run sync on both devices then reboot the device if it doesn't appear in apps, inside ssh run echo true > /kobo/tmp/rescan_userapps and then killall inkbox-bin

and that's all

7:57 AM

keep in mind that if it doesn't launch from gui, report it and I will supply a small update to make it work + your device has almost no ram, cpu power compared to regular syncthing-used machines, don't use it harsh (edited)

all worked. I did not have to run the last rescan and killall command. I'm having a bit of trouble getting to the webUI of syncthing. Should I be able to hit the 8384 port via browser from a different device on the network, or is the intention to load the kobo web browser to hit the webUI to configure. ~~I tried both, the latter has resulted in a white screen of death of sorts (?)~~ paperclip reset ... (edited)

I'm not sure what I did differently, but after it went to sleep and woke back up, the webGUI started responding to external devices. Thank you x2 for the awesomeness and the help on getting it setup. (edited)

I have an observation. I found that several instances of trying to ssh, ping, or setup syncthing ... the device was connected to wifi, but it seems that once connected, I needed to put it to sleep and then wake it up before the device services would respond. I'm not sure if that's helpful, but most of the roadblocks I hit seemed to be tied to odd wifi connected but no responses from the device. Also, I believe you implied the n613 is very underpowered. which kobo should one get to truly get a good experience for the inkbox system?

to get decent system performance, I suggest the glo hd n437 or nia n306 glo hd is better imo, more ram (512 mb vs 256 mb for the nia)

4:23 AM

as for wi-fi, it's odd

No idea about wifi issues

replacing one ereader with another doesnt make much sense

10:47 AM

maybe only if you have a lot of money to throw arround, otherwise not really ( kobo touch is bad, replacing it would be reasonable, the rest is fine )

I agree, and unfortunately that's not my situation. I wasn't sure if the "your device has almost no ram ..." bit was implying that the n613 was subpar or if it was a general sentiment about managing expectations of a low powered e-ink book reader. I'm very surprised that you were able to get some version of syncthing integrated. I bought this device for next to nothing only because I've kept an eye on this project for a while. If I have an opportunity to snag an n437 for cheap, I may based on @tux-linux input. At any rate, thank you both. I'm not sure who is who, but it seems you 2 are the core dev's ... I just sent one of you guys a few beers (maybe ... not sure on CAD). (edited)

Well, thanks

He is the creator, i joined more than a year ago

12:29 AM

Idk maybe more

1 1/2

There are a few people that regularly help, even port things but we are pretty much alone

yes

So we appraciate your support

yes

Also we are students, nicolas isint even allowed to drink legally beer yet, so those are coffies ;)

lol, enjoy the caffine.

dont drink coffee either

12:32 AM

probably wont drink beer

12:32 AM

so

And we both soon will fight to enter into university, so the project will be paused for the most part, but i dont plan to leave it, i enjoy creating something original - idk what about nicolas, he is pesymistic lately

tux-linux

so

Welcome to the tea club

yay

Szybet

And we both soon will fight to enter into university, so the project will be paused for the most part, but i dont plan to leave it, i enjoy creating something original - idk what about nicolas, he is pesymistic lately

This was an unspoken question @tux-linux

im more into herbal tea

;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqedXJLiMIQ

Mattias Pilhede

A Beginner's Guide to Tea

tux-linux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqedXJLiMIQ

Im not into any special tee, o drink almost anything Anyway i watched this video, its a master piece of art and drama

Szybet

This was an unspoken question @tux-linux

i don't know even CEGEP here is 150+ pages of assignments each week and that's not counting reading and studying

Szybet

Im not into any special tee, o drink almost anything Anyway i watched this video, its a master piece of art and drama

yes, i agree

12:36 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEGEP

CEGEP

A CEGEP ( say-ZHEP or SEE-jep; French pronunciation: [seʒɛp]), also written cégep, CÉGEP and cegep, is a publicly funded college providing technical, academic, vocational or a mix of programs; they are exclusive to the province of Quebec's education system. A loanword from French, it originates from the French acronym for Collège d'enseignemen...

12:36 AM

it's like pre-university

tux-linux

i don't know even CEGEP here is 150+ pages of assignments each week and that's not counting reading and studying

Dont all students in canada have depression Its pretty bad in poland, what you describe is at least 3 times worse

well, we get used to it i guess

12:37 AM

or not (edited)

12:37 AM

depends

Stockholm syndrome

12:37 AM

yea

For what it's worth, IMO, having this project under your hat, speaks volumes. It seems like you both have great potential for fulfilling futures ... university or not ...

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tux-linux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqedXJLiMIQ

thank you for sharing that. fantastically funny, and I think I'll try tea now.

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nice

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Complements to the project. I've been looking for something like this for a long time. I'm grateful and impressed.

Thanks for your support!

The website said to ask about the download to liberate kindles. Would it work for something like this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/115877647491?hash=item1afad89483:g:t10AAOSwyFVkyvT0&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwFk23rUVd6ASIhIRv36wLAWM%2B2wXvfGqTZgFIe25pUVlt8QTECUAK2IObUGSpD5Gj5dCOBBjn64XmYWkq7om%2B2BTA9nnx%2B0eWanofFNYlLqOPgdm6kMmUFJaJ%2F%2B0Cklq3binCbdDh%2BrIDgNdlLHyXpTztVt8viOZcSO8YvfQiyciB8kpjk%2BvKhML%2FqO1pwr25mvd7HRI%2FN8aQbI3n78EV0A0Hi7EGKJNVP2dX4PC7KExRroc06wffvXCo9hCi%2FaSMQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8ylhZnQYg

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No

2:08 AM

Support is only there for original 2011 Kindle touch

Understandable. Do you know of anywhere to buy an Inkbox OS device? Due to low-vision issues, I'm likely to destroy a lot of plastic cases before I figure it out by touch if I try to get to the sd card. It would be a lot easier to buy one.

2:15 AM

$5 a chance, I could afford, but $30-$70 a chance, not so much.

dandelion

Understandable. Do you know of anywhere to buy an Inkbox OS device? Due to low-vision issues, I'm likely to destroy a lot of plastic cases before I figure it out by touch if I try to get to the sd card. It would be a lot easier to buy one.

the closest thing to that would be hoping pine64 gets off their asses and gets their pineNote back in production so someone can make an inkbox image for it (can reflash OS without opening)

2:17 AM

@tux-linux kindle touch doesnt have an sd card right?

2:17 AM

maybe that is also an option if he can do it without opening it

it wouldn't have to be a kindle. It's just the really old kindles seemed to be the least expensive

your criteria are not opening the device right?

i was thinking, next best thing over getting the skills myself, support others through circular economy

I'd still say just ask a friend to do it for you

2:18 AM

it's faster and less hassle

2:18 AM

buy a well supported cheap kobo

yeah, that's a good idea

2:18 AM

thanks

good news, i think i found the right friend to help

10:54 AM

all of the kobos require opening the case, right?

yes

out of the list on the downloads page, does one of them work the best?

nia, glo

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*glo hd

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Hi. Amazing project. Is it possible for newer devices? Especially kindle

No Those have secure boot

6:16 PM

The most recent device supported is either libra h2o or clara hd (very experimental)

secure boot = locked down because fuck you

tux-linux

The most recent device supported is either libra h2o or clara hd (very experimental)

and nia

Unfortunately. I only have a kindle device. Anyways, I really like this project.

thanks

[matrix] Szybet

secure boot = locked down because fuck you

Is it possible to make a bootloader? Or something that can turn off secureboot like in pc

if you want to lose your mind, probably

monkeydmj

Is it possible to make a bootloader? Or something that can turn off secureboot like in pc

do you have geohot's phone number?

Uhhh

everything is possible, the time is the problem

hey quick question, is now inkbox out for the kindle touch?

not yet, brain got eaten by college work and exams

Yeah ok thats understandable xD

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I just bought a used kobo nia from ebay. it made sense to go with one of the two most supported models,. between those, the decision was made by the fact the nia has an Esperanto name. "nia" means "our" in Esperanto for anyone who didn't know

12:55 AM

should be here in about a week

12:56 AM

any advice on opening the case? what would you tell a sorta blind kindergartner who asked how to open a kobo nia case?

@Szybet will tell you that, he has one

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in my desperate search to make pbchess work on my libra 2 I landed here

4:49 AM

lol

Do kobos factory reset when they run out of battery?

No

Do they if you're logged out and have a passcode? (i'm on stock os btw)

stock os resets randomly

tux-linux

@Szybet will tell you that, he has one

soon

[matrix] Zenaida macroura

Do they if you're logged out and have a passcode? (i'm on stock os btw)

It would be surprising but nothing is impossible

tux-linux

@Szybet will tell you that, he has one

[matrix] Szybet https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/How-to-dissasembly-the-device%3F

How to dissasembly the device?

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

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matterbridge

[matrix] Szybet https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/How-to-dissasembly-the-device%3F

first read questions as they popped into my head: what's a flex cable? i know what a button and a usb port are avoid them, so make sure i don't stick picks/nails/things in there, and don't touch them, right? i did watch some kobo disassembly videos, and someone had gloves. is that necessary, if i do a lot of things by touch? i can see they're prying. it looked like a lot started at the corner. i think someone said start by the power button, but that's wrong, right? which part is the battery connector? maybe skip that step for me thank you, Szybet

i guessed a wave form is the type of electric current that changes the ink, and i just looked it up. it seems like it's a physical device that controls the electric current that changes the ink, right?

I answered your question in the wiki in the FAQ section

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tonight i learned the kobo nia doesn't have warm front lights, just cool. i can't use those. inkbox will let me turn off the front light completely, right?

yep

has the 2e been considered?

we are waiting for suggestions soo

8:12 PM

also, well it has usb c and is the newest one? well, maybe it? :D we will see... we dont have time now to port anythign anyway

still waiting for my kobo so i can try inkbox. there's lots of kobo models supported already, and tehy're easy to find on used stuff sites like ebay. my hope for what you decide to do with your donation, is expand the functionality of the existing models. I'd like to be able to use Session, Signal (molly), and Telegram from my Inkbox, and that would make it much more useful to me.

dandelion

still waiting for my kobo so i can try inkbox. there's lots of kobo models supported already, and tehy're easy to find on used stuff sites like ebay. my hope for what you decide to do with your donation, is expand the functionality of the existing models. I'd like to be able to use Session, Signal (molly), and Telegram from my Inkbox, and that would make it much more useful to me.

[matrix] Szybet Telegram has a Qt client, so it's maybe possible as for Signal ( Session? ) idk, the problem with them they have only one client written in typescript for electron, so it's impossible. A work arround for it is to use matrix ( we have already 2 clients for it ) and bridge the services

Session is impossible or anything else w/ electron probably

10:36 PM

Too much bloat

10:36 PM

Telegram ran on Libra once

I had Telegram running on the clara using a purple plugin

10:37 PM

via pidgin

okay, sometime in the next few months, i'll probably buy a libra...or a clara

10:37 PM

does pidgin work without giving a phone number?

10:38 PM

as an esperanto speaker, i have a lot of community in the 3rd world, and something with as few barriers to participation as possible is desireable

well, telegram needs phone number

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i know. i have one. session doesn't, but requires electron, which i guess makes it impossible

2021 excerpt

telegram is one of the main platforms for the esperanto community, despite that a phone number is required, so the fact that works is great. very useful https://telegramo.org/

Telegram estas simpla tujmesaĝilo por komputiloj kaj poŝtelefonoj. Ekzistas multaj grupoj, per kiuj multaj esperantistoj parolas pri diversaj temoj.

if you are technical enough, you could bridge matrix to telegram

i'm not

10:44 PM

i don't think

10:47 PM

when talking to tech people, i feel like a kindergartner with adult language skills my level is so basic next to yours. "explain it like you're talking to a slow preschooler, please" how many times have i typed that in forums?

would briar work on inkbox?

11:37 PM

that's another one with no phone required, right?

briar clients use kotlin or python + gtk so nope

11:39 PM

why dont use matrix?...

i need to learn how

11:39 PM

maybe it's time to do that if it works on inkbox

https://frontpagelinux.com/tutorials/beginners-guide-how-to-get-started-with-element-matrix/

Eric the IT Guy

Element Quick Start

11:39 PM

first result in google

thanks

11:43 PM

is element that bridging thing you were talking about?

nope, its just a client

i'm learning

its also bloated uses electron it's good but only on computer and phone

there are a lot of clients for the matrix network, one of them is element

which client do you use on inkbox?

custom modified nachat and gomuks

tux-linux

its also bloated uses electron it's good but only on computer and phone

i hope they finish this https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/

Element X - experience the future of Element!

Experience the future of Element! Element X isn’t just the fastest Matrix client ever - it’s up to 6000x faster than any other Matrix client.

i'm trying to make a bridge between element and discord using matrix. anything important to know about the *name field under "create an application"? is that like a username, or should i name it element or matrix so i know it connects that way?

I think application is more like a catchall term for the server name

12:25 AM

call it inkbox bridge maybe

12:25 AM

or whatever server it is for

okay, so making a bridge that way will take me to inkbox, and if i want a bridge for the esperanto discord i'm a part of, make that a separate bridge and name it "esperanto usa bridge" and if i have another, do that too? that one bridge won't connect to the 4 discords i'm a part of?

dandelion

okay, so making a bridge that way will take me to inkbox, and if i want a bridge for the esperanto discord i'm a part of, make that a separate bridge and name it "esperanto usa bridge" and if i have another, do that too? that one bridge won't connect to the 4 discords i'm a part of?

[matrix] Szybet i have no experience with such things. i only know its an option

Kuratius

i hope they finish this https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/

[matrix] Szybet rust.

Kuratius

i hope they finish this https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/

...yea but reading this, it seems it's solely designed for iphone or android

i ordered plastic opening tools and an some anti-static stuff. This will be an adventure for me. For the sd card, the instructions say a minimum of 4 gb. If I flash and put in a 32gb card, would that just give me more space to store data? Is there a maximum number? (edited)

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/FAQ

FAQ

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

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You can use a filesystem resizing tool to expand it to fill the size of the whole SD card storage

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8:42 PM

Which gives you that usable space

8:43 PM

I've used Linux command line tools and the graphical gparted in the past with great success

its more complicated than that in inkbox

Oh, because of the overlayfs?

Because books re stored in a filesystem in file "onboard" file

if you are porting inkbox to clara 2e and live in USA (maybe canada?), I can sell you one and its sleepcover for $75 paypal + USPS (maybe UPS?) shipping, it has a 1.5cm screen scratch but it's functionally like new, haven't had it for more than a year (edited)

7:27 AM

I suspect that it may not be waterproof anymore and the scratch kinda bothers me, I want to get a new clara 2e or maybe a libra 2, but I don't want this clara 2e to be e-wasted (edited)

Really cool project. Before I install, I'd like to know if you can change the layout of the ebook reader to something more similar to the stock one on kobo (i.e. swipe/tap a side to change the page, tap at the top for settings) as I would prefer to use the whole screen for the text rather than having a back/forward/settings bar at the bottom.

Nooe, its planned for the future

10:30 AM

Nope

Ah cool, thanks for the answer good to hear it's planned

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Hi! Is it possible to install inkbox on Kindle 8th Gen?

no

Okay thank you!

Does InkBox support Esperanto characters and other non-English characters?

8:14 AM

In .txt files?

Maybe

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how can i install inkbox into my kindle paperwhite 5?

you can't not supported, sorry

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dandelion

Does InkBox support Esperanto characters and other non-English characters?

it should, but not tested

@Szybet I saw your rmanki issue, lol

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@tux-linux https://github.com/Jayy001/RmAnki/blob/main/ankiRemarkable.py those apps are written with fixed sizes... my god...

12:27 AM

it can all be translated and used on other devices but...

your approach didn't make sense to me, people write duplicate apps all the time, people write stuff for fun

12:34 AM

if you want people to collaborate, they need to be motivated or see a positive reason, especially with hobby code

12:35 AM

you can get your stuff working on rM, there's an eink plugin for it called qsgepaper or something similar

rsjn

your approach didn't make sense to me, people write duplicate apps all the time, people write stuff for fun

Yes i do know that but 1000x linux distros dont make sense so this doesnt too

I'm not even sure how you found rmAnki

rsjn

if you want people to collaborate, they need to be motivated or see a positive reason, especially with hobby code

Yes i write open source stuff because of that, i also contribute for the same reason and?...

rsjn

you can get your stuff working on rM, there's an eink plugin for it called qsgepaper or something similar

I know, thats the point, i dont have a remarkable tablet tho

Szybet

Yes i write open source stuff because of that, i also contribute for the same reason and?...

and my point is that you started the conversation in a way that was not friendly / polite

rsjn

I'm not even sure how you found rmAnki

Mobile reads and then some poking arround. I was suprised it exists, its younger than my project and why would anyone choose to write from scratch if the original is not bad?

" hey, cool app! I also work on an anki app - would love to see if there's collaboration opportunity. if not on this project, then maybe another project in the future"

rsjn

and my point is that you started the conversation in a way that was not friendly / polite

Ugh not again English is not my first language, so im sometimes not as polite as i would like to Also the first message was supposed to be a joke

12:44 AM

I didnt even expected a reply at all, as it is often on github

Szybet

Ugh not again English is not my first language, so im sometimes not as polite as i would like to Also the first message was supposed to be a joke

that explains it, Americans expect much more politeness and friendliness

12:44 AM

hard to make jokes through text

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Szybet

it should, but not tested

It will be tested once I get the Nia open. While waiting for the spudger tools to arrive, I decided to try with what I had, and i broke a few ukulele picks and damaged a few fingernails without much to show for it.

12:46 AM

scratched the case with a butterknife

12:46 AM

and again with a nail file

dandelion

It will be tested once I get the Nia open. While waiting for the spudger tools to arrive, I decided to try with what I had, and i broke a few ukulele picks and damaged a few fingernails without much to show for it.

Its hard in the first try

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dandelion

scratched the case with a butterknife

Its the back, you wont see it anyway. A protective case will do ;p

i don't care what it looks like if the screen is nice and it works

12:48 AM

it's hard to push the other side away in a way that doesn't make the screen flex

??? You insert the thin tool in the middle where the 2 plastic pieces meet and then you pull it to the "outside" until it comes off a bit, or until a click Its obviously more complicated than that, you need to try to push it a bit more, use not too much force otherwise it will be bad etc.

12:51 AM

I dont see when the screen would bend in this process

dandelion

It will be tested once I get the Nia open. While waiting for the spudger tools to arrive, I decided to try with what I had, and i broke a few ukulele picks and damaged a few fingernails without much to show for it.

There are small latches you need to unlatch

it's hard to overstate how bad i am at opening plastic things.

If you have an expired credit card or similar plastic that you can afford to break, try that

a fish looks like an idiot if you judge it on its ability to climb a tree...

dandelion

a fish looks like an idiot if you judge it on its ability to climb a tree...

I'll show you a video

Kuratius

There are small latches you need to unlatch

Your english explaining destroys mine

dandelion

it's hard to overstate how bad i am at opening plastic things.

Practice makes masters or smtg

i saw someone in another video open it with their fingernails while holding it with the other had. I tried that, and more the front started flexing that the back came off. After that, I decided, I'd better keep this on a flat surface because "bad things"

Basically you just move along the side

Always keep it on a flat surface in place, if you are not experienced it will fly to the ground soon

Dont go too deeply or you might hit ribbon cables

12:55 AM

You dont need to pull it apart until you have unlatched all the latches (edited)

12:56 AM

https://youtu.be/hRdV5ukt_Q0?si=6Y-tZ5_k7ONCX3Zc

limubearproductions

Kobo Clara HD - How I accessed & upgraded the internal microSD & by...

12:56 AM

Does this help?

Kuratius

You dont need to pull it apart until you have unlatched all the latches (edited)

for all my trying, I think maybe i got one latch with the ukulele pick, which quickly relatched

Watch how he uses the tool

12:57 AM

You can hear the latches unlocking as the tool hits them

12:58 AM

If you dont have anything appropriate you can buy them on amazon

12:58 AM

I used a similar one

Kuratius

Does this help?

he must have hands of iron. it does help see how to use the tool

Kuratius

If you dont have anything appropriate you can buy them on amazon

they should be here friday

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/809205711778480162/1144597589287768144

dandelion

he must have hands of iron. it does help see how to use the tool

You're probably just using a bad tool

this is on its way https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J58N2P7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Screen Opening Set Pry Tool - 13 in 1 Mobile Phone Display Replace ...

Screen Opening Set Pry Tool - 13 in 1 Mobile Phone Display Replace Kit Electronics Open Tools Pry Bar Opener for iPhone, Ipad Repair

1:01 AM

i don't think the ukulele pick was strong enough.

Bottom middle looks like they will work

i still need to flash an sd card, too. i have a 32 gb one. that's my only spare

can also buy one

1:09 AM

many stores sell sd cards for like $10/10€

i use an older computer for flashing operating systems, so it doesn't matter if I accidentally target the wrong drive

1:10 AM

easy dd on puppy linux should work like etcher for this, too?

dd works, dont know what easy dd is

1:11 AM

may have to extract image if it's compressed

1:11 AM

dd cant extract

got a "file not downloaded. potential security risk" when trying to download the nia image for both the main and mirror

Kuratius

may have to extract image if it's compressed

Barry Kauler, the creator of puppy linux and easy os, made a gui based dd and named it easy dd

Kuratius

dd cant extract

kk, gonna see if the applmage will work on puppy linux, and if not, what other operating system i can use on this computer

@Szybet: thanks for the tip about mobile read, didn't realize rmkit landed on there

Rmkit on kobo is not new, he just posted a guide

Szybet

Rmkit on kobo is not new, he just posted a guide

i meant "didn't realize rmkit has been noticed by mobile read"

i think i'm going to need to reinstall my install computer before i can install inkbox on the sd. is there a fairly light distro that will help me understand more about inkbox?

1:24 AM

kde or gnome because of accessibility issue

Szybet

Rmkit on kobo is not new, he just posted a guide

it looks like rmkit was ported to kobo a year ago or two ago by someone named "raisjn"

dandelion

i think i'm going to need to reinstall my install computer before i can install inkbox on the sd. is there a fairly light distro that will help me understand more about inkbox?

i guess alpine linux, since that's what it is based on, maybe (edited)

rsjn

it looks like rmkit was ported to kobo a year ago or two ago by someone named "raisjn"

[matrix] Szybet your nick looks similar ;)

ohhh you are the author of rmkit

11:24 AM

11:25 AM

well if the author of rmAnki rejects porting sanki to remarkable, maybe you would be interested?

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@Szybet Author of RmAnki here, just want to clarify some things up

When I first had the idea of creating RmAnki, it was because there was no other app specifically for the remarkable device for it - I wanted to create a dedicated one, using my own library I had created as a fun project. (I do all of this from my spare time, as a hobby with no intention of ever monetizing it). I hadn't even found your project so don't think I was trying to copy your "original" idea.
I found the way you opened the issue a bit rude, certainly a lack of manners - if you want to collaborate with someone that's not the way to do it. I understand English may not be your first language but in that case you should be more careful of the way you present yourself.
(see attachment) Why insult someones work and then expect them to collaborate with you? I also don't see a problem with fixed sizes - its specifically for the rm device of fixed dimensions.
Where is the motivation for me to stop working on something I've dedicated a lot of time to, and move to your project instead? I'm also not going to learn another whole language just because you're unhappy there is another similar app to yours. If you have the mindset of there should only be one app for everything, then I've got some bad news for you....

(edited)

2:25 PM

Anyway, my decision is final and I'd appreciate it if you didn't reopen the issue. Your app does look really nice, and I'm sure with a bit of work would be able to easily get ported over the RM (and I'd love to see that, it'd give more options for people to use & hopefully inspire them to create their own ❤️) (edited)

Ye i understand
As i mentioned before, that was supposed to be a joke, like how could i be serious with "developing the wheel once again"?
I don't insult you but "Those apps" so the rmkit gui framework ( it's that one, isin't it? ). It's obviously fine for what it is, but in the future, for diffrent screen sizes it will be a problem so i dont like it, but i'm aware of the ease of use for such libraries
I just asked if you were interested in making something bigger and for more people. I do understand there are many the same apps. I just think people should work together, even when they dissagree a bit with something. ( All those linux distros forks are a good example of what to avoid ) Im not "unhappy", im happy that there is even more open source software out there

2:50 PM

I was really misunderstood / i said it in an umpolite way and it wasn't clear enough explained, so sorry for that

2:52 PM

I obviously won't pressure you to change your mind, it was just a question

we can figure it a way to work together, maybe it's not on anki (yet)

I can try looking into qt, but I don't use it. there's other people who would be better - would be great to pull all your apps into Toltec, though

3:16 PM

I also want that Manga reader on rm

Szybet

I was really misunderstood / i said it in an umpolite way and it wasn't clear enough explained, so sorry for that

no problem, I'm glad we've cleared it all up

I sense a beautiful friendship in the making :p they often start this way

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i think ill keep to the rm and not move into kobo territory xD

bruh

4:07 PM

its just a misunderstanding

that wasn't a dig at you

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fwiw, I use the kobo much more than rm. I read a ton, don't write much notes

I prefer the rm for reading personally

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What a very happy day. I got the case open without breaking anything, inserted the flashed card without any drama, and InkBox is currently doing its first boot.

So grateful you made InkBox. I love it.

I'm using pretty large font, about 18 pt, on an epub. There's a scrollbar down the side. Is there a way to turn that into more page turns instead of a scrollbar?

text files in Esperanto are now tested and work

dandelion

I'm using pretty large font, about 18 pt, on an epub. There's a scrollbar down the side. Is there a way to turn that into more page turns instead of a scrollbar?

[matrix] Szybet In settings adjust width height or character count

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This is a great reading experience for Saĝeco de Siraĥ. size 14 on Inkbox OS looks like 18 out of my printer. The epub size is set to 235x235. I'm surprised how much I like dark mode.

the sizes & scrollbars etc are messy but usable - will be fixed for next release

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Is there a way to make text bigger in the menus without creating a situation where things go off the screen and become unclickable?

11:02 AM

Like in the settings

what do you mean exactly

11:03 AM

in settings

I mean the text under settings in the settings is too small for me without auxiliary things to read it I think it's Inkbox settings, kobox settings, and power settings

11:06 AM

what does applications scale do

11:06 AM

the text in the book i'm reading seems more adjustable than the text in the menus

11:07 AM

"Is there a way to make text bigger in the menus without creating a situation where things go off the screen and become unclickable?"

11:07 AM

When I use gnome on 200% scaling, a lot of times the boxes for programs are bigger than the monitor.

11:08 AM

On a lot of dialog boxes, "Cancel" and "Okay" are on off the bottom of the screen

11:09 AM

I use that trick where you hold the super key and use the mouse to move a different part of the window off the screen

11:09 AM

so I can get to "Cancel" or "Okay"

dandelion

what does applications scale do

[matrix] Szybet it shouldn't exist, its broken now

dandelion

"Is there a way to make text bigger in the menus without creating a situation where things go off the screen and become unclickable?"

[matrix] Szybet well maybe, not in a easy way

just memorise everything and it should be okay, there is not much to read

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hello there

8:09 AM

im new here

8:09 AM

so i have some qestion

feel free to ask

tnxx

8:10 AM

soo i have clara 2e

8:10 AM

but in the flash package there is no support of it

8:10 AM

i will wait or i can go with othere kobos flash image

8:11 AM

and if i get this os i will lose koreader ?

8:11 AM

and how to know if the os support arabic font !

someone needs to port it first, trying other images is dangerous we have koreader too, if you want that i dont think at all - koreader supports it, propably

yes koreader support it i test it in nickle

8:14 AM

the main reason why i want to install is the writing app

8:14 AM

i realy want to write in it with keyborad it awsome app

8:14 AM

and there is no app like it in nickle

8:14 AM

but the problem is font and the keyboard

not only an app - there is no software support on it at all

8:15 AM

well for now you need to wait for someone to port the device

yes that the first thing , after that can i add a new font to the app and add new keyboard qmap? (edited)

well yes, qt supports arabic fonts so it should be possible to add

thnx for help so i will wait for someone to port the device like you sad

@Szybet a qestion come in mind

can i install FeatherNotes on nickle bcz i only need this app

Maybe? Hot plugging wont work for sure , many other issues will appear too

so its bad solu eather

has anyone put openvpn on a kobo device?

No afaik

"Everything is possible" or smth idk

Better to use tailscale imo

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hi

11:33 AM

can i download kindle touch original

Its not available

it says it is available on request: https://inkbox.ddns.net/downloads.html

Its a lie

how do you know

Im the second developer of this project

11:45 AM

And i know that the main one didnt have time to make it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWu_pHwqNg&t=3s

Nicolas Mailloux / inkbox · GitLab

InkBox OS 2.0

11:46 AM

this video showing the installed demo of it

A experienced developer is able to install it, but making an image for a regular user was harder than expected and we didnt had time to do it and school started soo nope

I am an experienced developer and can install if files are made avialble

11:49 AM

thanks a lot

Experienced in what

11:50 AM

Well everything is on github

sure I will try finding https://inkbox.ddns.net/git/tux-linux/inkbox

Open-source eBook reader

Look up kernel repo i think

11:54 AM

Its thw mosst important one

thanks I am in! Do you have any plans for make "kindle touch" available for general user?

12:19 PM

I have a Kindle Scribe (for writing notes)

Santhosh

thanks I am in! Do you have any plans for make "kindle touch" available for general user?

[matrix] Szybet we dont have time because of school, we are students in the future, ye

Santhosh

I have a Kindle Scribe (for writing notes)

[matrix] Szybet idk if its locked down

Thanks for your great work !

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are kobo devices capable of using BLE?

12:06 AM

soon I will have a meshtastic node, it uses BLE for end-user devices to reach a LoRa mesh network, if the kobo supports BLE I will want to make something with that

If any devices have BLE built in, they propably can use headphones, thats what they were designed for and i doubt any custom software ( nickel stock one ) will allow you more than that well with inkbox if you figure out the drivers and figure out bluetooth managing in an old kernel then it's a native linux experience

ewired

are kobo devices capable of using BLE?

kobo devices are just linux machines in custom hardware. Everything is possible with them, it's RPI on hard mode but hey that's more fun

true, I thought of hooking up a LoRa radio directly by USB-OTG maybe

my libra 2 has a RTL8723DS wifi adapter module and the realtek site says it supports BLE (edited)

I had to look up what LoRa was. License free radio bands that you can use for communication?!

9:52 AM

How do I contribute to having something that works through LoRa on InkBox and on Postmarket's Kobo Image on the Air Desktop?

9:56 AM

I explained what I've been learning about e-ink devices and the various software projects to someone who is interested in funding development of a very low vision and blind friendly user interface, and LoRa communication capabilities would be a very desirable feature.

dandelion

I explained what I've been learning about e-ink devices and the various software projects to someone who is interested in funding development of a very low vision and blind friendly user interface, and LoRa communication capabilities would be a very desirable feature.

what are you talking about?

Being blind and using a screen as a user interface are typically contradictory

some devices have audio and physical buttons, right?

"some"...

also I think they dont actually have audio, just bluetooth

Kuratius

also I think they dont actually have audio, just bluetooth

heh it depends

10:06 AM

;p

I heard the hisense a5 and a5 pro are rootable, but not the hisense a7cc or a9

10:08 AM

Do you know if that's true?

its true, but those are still shitty chinese phones

I think the little hole to the side of the charging hole on my hisense a5 is a 3.5 mm audio jack

at that point it has nothing to do with eink

10:08 AM

just develop for a phone

i love my hisense a5

10:09 AM

yeah, i'm trying to figure out who to connect with who to make that happen

yeah but we're talking in the context of making an app for blind people

more like an interface

dandelion

i love my hisense a5

dont you have problem with english translation, wireless connections?

my hisense a7cc doesn't connect to mobile data at all, that's true

10:10 AM

the hisense a5 did, but mine started to get a swollen battery after being dropped for the nth time

10:11 AM

it's study btw, survived many falls from at least waist height without a case

sturdy

it has a voice assitant, but it's in chinese

10:11 AM

i don't speak chinese

are we talking someone who has to spend x amount of money on an accessibility project whose primary concern isnt how useful the project is actually going to be?

i think so. someone i know talked about making it a priority to find making an eink device that does communication stuff and linux stuff functional

define both of these things

i think the project here and the postmarket air desktop might be the furthest along towards something like that from what i can tell

ideally, if a phone, it could make and receive phone calls and text messages and utilize mobile data can support at least one commonly used messaging program that works over wifi if on a port to an x86-64 architecture, have control of red, green, and blue diodes, so the monitor can have a 100% contrast them, and have toggle over the warm and the cool lighting if it's an e-ink monitor that has front lighting, and the ability to turn on say, just the red light diode and use the monitor with monocolor light if LED. An interface similar to the one on the imitation light phone menu, not sure if it's still available on f-droid or not. It's a text based launcher that just lists all the programs. It functions well even with text set to huge Possibly, if on a device with audio or a jack, a voice robot that announces which program is selected by a physical button as one scrolls? Some flexiblity in the goals based on what's possible and doable

what if its an ereader? like a kobo?

drop the voice goal for that device and focus on low vision

so what with low vision?

have you ever used the light launcher available through fdroid on android?

nope, explain it

maybe just make a software app for 2in1 laptops for blind people

If I install it on my hisense a5 when I unlock my phone the screen defaults to my favoites that I've pinned to the top It was a list "Phone Contacts QKSMS Vortaro"

there you can at least easily connect a braille reader

Then if I scroll past those

Kuratius

there you can at least easily connect a braille reader

what the fuck

Szybet

what the fuck

what

every program on my phone is in alphabetical order

oh you mean a hardware solution?

with a search bar at the top

10:31 AM

no, an interface

10:31 AM

i used a bigger font program

10:31 AM

and the words on the phone were maybe 24 font

10:31 AM

it was really nice

Szybet

oh you mean a hardware solution?

it's a device where you have dozens of little pins forming braille characters depending on where on the screen your cursor is

Kuratius

it's a device where you have dozens of little pins forming braille characters depending on where on the screen your cursor is

ye i see. for a second i thought you mean software reader xD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_braille_display

Refreshable braille display

A refreshable braille display or braille terminal is an electro-mechanical device for displaying braille characters, usually by means of round-tipped pins raised through holes in a flat surface. Visually impaired computer users who cannot use a standard computer monitor can use it to read text output. Deafblind computer users may also use refres...

well this launcher could be add to inkbox. Then what? those apps are not blind friendly anyway?

figure out a way to make a 3d printable cheap design

10:33 AM

and write a linux driver for it

10:33 AM

commercial solutions are very expensive iirc

10:33 AM

so this will actually help people

well thats achievable

10:33 AM

someone would need to pay me a lot

10:34 AM

but using electro magnets to move psychically those letters, yea achievable

10:34 AM

or just motors

10:35 AM

a resin printer would be needed

10:35 AM

idk, if there would be demand for something like this open sourced then someone would do it already?>

https://github.com/brailletouch/Brailletouch

GitHub - brailletouch/Brailletouch: This project seeks to develop a...

This project seeks to develop a low-cost, open-source braille display. It is estimated that its cost is reduced to more than 90% compared to the cost of the cheapest screens that exist in the marke...

exactly lol

what does a lot mean to you? i'll go back to that person with a number How much for the low-vision friendly interface/home screen/launcher? how much for an open source hardware braille reader?

apparently commercial braille displays are between 1000-6000 $ (edited)

10:38 AM

rofl

First, i dont have time currently for anything, i will have time in june next year second, Idk? you would need to offer and first describe what exactly you want. I would love to make something open sourced and get paid for it

I'm still trying to figure out the github system

10:43 AM

@Kuratius so you think a text based menu and a braile display would be a good step towards accessibility for totally blind people?

10:45 AM

@Szybet do you have an opinion on whether it's a port to x86-64 or for one of the small e-ink devices? Kobo? Hisense A5?

10:46 AM

As I work to clarify the project, which way would you suggest, prefer?

10:49 AM

Hisense A5 Pro? Better hardware, so if it works on US networks, it might be relevant longer? X86-64 with an e-ink monitor and/or braille display?

Szybet

well this launcher could be add to inkbox. Then what? those apps are not blind friendly anyway?

Maybe do an image that's especially for low-vision/blind, that's designed to be a truly frictionless experience, nothing on it except what works and works very well in those parameters, unless the user chooses to install it

10:54 AM

Up to 8% of men and .5 % of women are colorblind

10:55 AM

A text based, simple list launcher/home screen would be easier to use for color blind people, too

dandelion

@Szybet do you have an opinion on whether it's a port to x86-64 or for one of the small e-ink devices? Kobo? Hisense A5?

[matrix] Szybet You mean the launcher menu?

dandelion

Maybe do an image that's especially for low-vision/blind, that's designed to be a truly frictionless experience, nothing on it except what works and works very well in those parameters, unless the user chooses to install it

[matrix] Szybet Image? What do you mean?

Sorry I don't speak computer very well

dandelion

Hisense A5 Pro? Better hardware, so if it works on US networks, it might be relevant longer? X86-64 with an e-ink monitor and/or braille display?

[matrix] Szybet Hisense is chinese nonsense and eink monitors are too expensive Kobo ereaders are the middle ground of that

matterbridge

[matrix] Szybet Image? What do you mean?

well, the layout of the home screen of the current inkbox can't easily be changed by a low-ability user, right?

11:12 AM

so if the home screen was also the launcher, wouldn't it make sense to pick one or two devices to make that the default?

Nope, but making it low ability is possible

dandelion

so if the home screen was also the launcher, wouldn't it make sense to pick one or two devices to make that the default?

We could just ship diffrent install images

Lets say we make this launcher for inkbox, then what? The apps are not so eye friendly anyway?

focus on the ones that can be made to work

11:39 AM

can the reader be made with text menu settings that can be scrolled through and read easily by a braille reader?

dandelion

focus on the ones that can be made to work

Which ones then. Sanki could for sure

Some kind of message app? nabox?

11:41 AM

So then the text launcher home screen install image could at least have: reader sanki nachat (messages) text only browser? Option to install other less tested/perfected apps? (edited)

dandelion

can the reader be made with text menu settings that can be scrolled through and read easily by a braille reader?

Maybe, yea propably

And do at least those things very, very well

Nabox? Isint that a blockchain wallet?

nachat, i mixed my words

Nachat could do for sure

your matrix program, right?

Yep

dandelion

So then the text launcher home screen install image could at least have: reader sanki nachat (messages) text only browser? Option to install other less tested/perfected apps? (edited)

All of this with a braile reader?

or a device with audio and microphone or if it's not feasible, just focus on it being extremely low-vision friendly for various types of low vision

11:46 AM

i opened an issue on the open braille reader github to ask them for a number so i could tell the potential funder

Well interesting ideas

11:48 AM

I will see in june what i will do

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@dandelion See if you can find a community of blind people to ask also (edited)

12:28 PM

Typo, find not fund

I know where to ask

12:29 PM

Local blind and low vision organization

hi there

10:00 AM

i found this

10:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jICSx2SxzNM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336210

KoBox on a Kobo!

10:00 AM

and i want to install it

10:01 AM

but does this image only for libra or it can work with others (clara 2e)

10:01 AM

and how to know if this kobox support arabic font and layout

10:07 AM

+ i found 2 tuto with one best to folow

10:07 AM

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox - MobileRe...

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox Kobo Developer's Corner

10:08 AM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336433

KoBox, or how to run X.org and Firefox on your Kobo - MobileRead F...

KoBox, or how to run X.org and Firefox on your Kobo Kobo Reader

This is a nivhe subject

2:59 PM

And niche questions are unanswered. You neef to check it yourself

i already made some searcth and found that you should install it manualy

3:00 PM

and

3:00 PM

witch tuto should i folow from this tow

3:01 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336210

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox - MobileRe...

[HOWTO][WIP] Run Xorg on your Kobo + full-blown Firefox Kobo Developer's Corner

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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336433

KoBox, or how to run X.org and Firefox on your Kobo - MobileRead F...

KoBox, or how to run X.org and Firefox on your Kobo Kobo Reader

3:01 PM

betwen this tow

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Welcome you

6:33 PM

anyway, Here is another e-ink project I will be doing: https://github.com/Szybet/E-Watch-FOSS (edited)

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The Open Book

This is a complete reimagining of the Open Book Project, but the original mission remains: As a society, we need an open source device for reading. Books are among the most important documents of our culture, yet the most popular and widespread devices we have for reading are closed objects, operating as small moving parts in a set of giant clo...

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Szybet

https://hackaday.io/project/192688-the-open-book

nice

2:27 PM

but still no single package (edited)

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@Z@c He has seen you. RUN! (edited)

what

just joking

2:36 PM

Was thinking of an SCP-like gag

The other day I was at ikea (edited)

2:41 PM

there was no exit

2:42 PM

literally (edited)

are you still at the ikea

No I ignored the sign that said "no exit" and exited through the entrance

2:42 PM

lots of old people seemed to be trapped in the cantina though

2:43 PM

I think they were closed and doing renovations or something

2:44 PM

I meant to eat something, but found out they only serve full meals after 11.00, so it was breakfast only

Kuratius

The other day I was at ikea (edited)

[matrix] tux-linux Oh I like that scp

Szybet

https://hackaday.io/project/192688-the-open-book

is hackaday an alternative to github for where projects are hosted?

Hackaday is a hardware hacking website. It was founded in 2004 as a web magazine

11:34 PM

Since 2014, Hackaday also hosts a community database of open-source hardware designs

11:34 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm just trying to figure out if the open book is moving its project base to hackaday, and I need to make a new accout to be a part of that there, or if they're still mostly on github and the one account I have there is enough

I'm testing some hacky Qt render options, as I know which one I used and the diffrence is not too great ( + I'm affected by placebo ), I want you to decide which one is better. Video 1:

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Video 2:

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3

7:47 PM

Please vote Let's ping a few people I feel like i can ping ;p @Kuratius @tux-linux @Kitkat / Szybet ( sometimes ) @Aramir Others are welcome too

7:50 PM

i will post on mobile forums too

7:51 PM

if the diffrence is a lot for a lot of people, I will implement it and document this change

the second one obviously seems better but it will probably only work on nia

the change is in native qt, nothing to do with platform plugin / fbink

it will also make clara freak out for sure

[matrix] tux-linux

it will also make clara freak out for sure

[matrix] tux-linux still

probably

7:55 PM

where do you change it

If i tell what is the change then everyone will tell its the second one

7:55 PM

so wait till i decide its worth it

not sure if I'm supposed to judge something precisely. But 2nd feel more responsive

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(also, in the first video upon pressing "good" at 0:06, the bottom bar grows up by a few pixels for a couple of milliseconds for some reasons) (edited)

Aramir

(also, in the first video upon pressing "good" at 0:06, the bottom bar grows up by a few pixels for a couple of milliseconds for some reasons) (edited)

only first time... you have an eye for this. Idk ;p

8:03 PM

this part is fixed size so thats funny

I have an eye for spotting details nobody cares about but drive me nuts when trying to fix them.

8:05 PM

I'll go back to my cave for a couple of months until I or rain fix the qt compiler scripts. See ya :p (edited)

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Hey! I have a Kindle 10th (2020) with 5.15.1 firmware. Hopefully it will be jailbroken soon. I'm interested in porting InkBox to my device.

Welcome, propably not possiblr because of bootloader drm

If you can figure out how to make the bootloader on it boot a different kernel it's probably doable

6:04 PM

Or replace it entirely

6:05 PM

But you have to get serial access first

6:05 PM

I saw a screenshot showing that the serial port is on the hidden side of the motherboard on a voyage

6:06 PM

So it may be the case that to check that you would have to remove the motherboard from the screen

6:06 PM

Or at least remove it from the case entirely

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(talking to Zoli)

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I don't think it's worth it unless the kindle is broken or you don't have any other use for it

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And the flashing process is probably going to be a hassle for other people unless you figure out if there is some sort of usb serial mode

6:08 PM

Also kindles don't have removable storage so if you brick something you may not recover easily

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The kobos have the advantage that you can just put in a different SD card if you mess up

Yeah, you are probably right

6:21 PM

I'm thinking about getting a Kobo device now

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but check for the individual kobo,

10:31 PM

most have a micro sd

10:31 PM

but not every kobo

https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/17i1rhx/new_languagebreak_jailbreak_available_for_any/

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Hi !

hi

@dandelion https://youtu.be/BXi1tG78AW4?si=ZWgoD-RlLuFbirBz

Vijay Varada

Electromechanical Refreshable Braille Module : HackadayPrize 2023

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exactly what i said, electromagnets

11:04 PM

:D

https://www.modos.tech/

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Meet Modos. The World’s First E-ink Laptop Made For Reading, Writing and Thinking— Designed for a healthier relationship with technology.

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It will never be ready

they created a open source eink module ( driver )

^^

4:34 PM

That is my guess

hello, I would like to make a request to install the os on a kobo N873.

Not available sorry

12:14 PM

@tux-linux im getting insane please update the website and readme

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hi))

Szybet

@tux-linux im getting insane please update the website and readme

[matrix] tux-linux done

readme

which one

inkbox

5:28 PM

with the message

where does it talk about kt or n873

i mean the one i sended you

5:29 PM

not about devices

hmm

Hello! I've installed InkBox on my Kobo Mini and i would like to use it as a small dashboard for my home assistant instance. Looking at the wiki i can see i could just kill the ibkbox gui and use fbi to draw on the framebuffer. However, I'm not 100% sure how to connect reliably to the ebook - since it looks like with inkbox the wifi connection drops frequently

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Also, is there a way to enable boot flags without disassembling the device?

wifi on kobo mini is not reliable

8:37 PM

and we dont have this device now so someone else needs to fix that

8:38 PM

as for other questions you can, better to use fbink for that, or just qt like a normal human being ;) yes, you need to root the device and via shell for example

which wifi chip does it have?

its propably a inkbox issue

[matrix] Szybet

as for other questions you can, better to use fbink for that, or just qt like a normal human being ;) yes, you need to root the device and via shell for example

[matrix] foxo Oh damn fbink looks really nice

gui app can only exit itself, there is no kill switch, you need to implement it

9:43 PM

so its just like killing inkbox gui

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the only diffrence is that on reboot inkbox launches and you have access to the wifi manager

9:44 PM

if thats not what you want, you need to replace inkbox.sh with your script that will connect to wifi via cli

9:51 PM

gui apps can also eassly be shared with other users and updated, reproduced

[matrix] Szybet

gui app can only exit itself, there is no kill switch, you need to implement it

[matrix] tux-linux They can be killed

they can but nothing does it

9:56 PM

+ if the app crashes inkbox launches, so a fail safe (edited)

oh ok

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why would someone need to do it

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@dandelion https://youtu.be/BXi1tG78AW4?si=ZWgoD-RlLuFbirBz

that is so cool

Szybet

https://www.modos.tech/

this is the coolest thing ever. thank you so for showing me the coolest thing ever.

another cool thing: https://www.nemeio.com/

Nemeio - The customizable e-Ink keyboard

Nemeio is a new generation keyboard. You are now totally free to choose how you use your keyboard with Nemeio’s customizable keys that is adapted to your specific needs.

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Hello

dandelion

another cool thing: https://www.nemeio.com/

Well thats a bad idea

dandelion

this is the coolest thing ever. thank you so for showing me the coolest thing ever.

Um have you seen my nia turned into a modular writing device? I think ita cooler

hi guys!

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i came from the mobilereads forum, Szybet told me about inkbox. turns out i have a model 4C1 kobo and it was a slight hassle to find that out. just for future use maybe post the N306C img on the /bundles/inkbox/native/n306

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:)

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otherwise thanks for saving my dead nia! love the os

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i came from the mobilereads forum, Szybet told me about inkbox. turns out i have a model 4C1 kobo and it was a slight hassle to find that out. just for future use maybe post the N306C img on the /bundles/inkbox/native/n306

[matrix] Szybet Hi C is not the default, it was not the first model ported so it always will be the "second one" as in codebase and releases, so it stays like that. a user needs to read the wiki / github issue and choose anyway. Well maybe a better wiki page could be handy...

personally id just have a dislaimer and a dl file like N306-4C1

well first there is no 4C1, its just C and the n306 will be n306A as its the first one and its codename is a

that system makes sense

6:20 PM

is there a way to tell if its an A or C from the outside though?

nope - maybe from the serial number from the box

6:21 PM

in code from the main os it would be possible

huh

6:21 PM

and besides the code on the pcb

6:21 PM

37NB-E60U20+4C1 in my case

6:21 PM

above the battery

well chips and some components are diffrent

6:24 PM

so this is the main way to find out

6:24 PM

described int the post

fair

Hello, I got a tolino shine 2 that I flashed the N613 (the kobo glo one which is the equivalent) inkbox image on but it doesn't find any of the epubs that I've transferred onto it and it doesn't show any books downloaded from the online library. I've tried restarting and resetting it several times is there anything besides reflashing the sd or using a different sd card that I can try?

send me an image of where you try to look for your books

in the local library, it just shows the there are no books on your ereader

10:38 AM

oh, you also broke your case when opening... i did too ;D

yeah they are hard to open without with all the glue

10:40 AM

also it was partially broken before hand anyway XD

connect it to PC, upload your books, wait a few minutes, then unmount

10:40 AM

if that doesnt work, try this:

10:40 AM

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2411827/sync-file-system-command-for-windows

Sync File System command for windows

Is there an equivalent command on windows for the UNIX/Linux sync command? I need to verify all writes caches have been flushed to disk system wide on an as needed basis. I don't want to disable ...

Szybet

connect it to PC, upload your books, wait a few minutes, then unmount

additionall delays between things are welcome

10:40 AM

unmount it in software on your host OS

I did the whole connect upload and disconnect several times

10:41 AM

it did show them once for a really short time and then they dissapeared again like the 2. time I connected it but I haven't been able to get them to show up since

10:42 AM

ill try the sync in a bit

Szybet

unmount it in software on your host OS

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https://www.ias.edu/itg/content/safely-ejecting-external-storage-devices

Safely Ejecting External Storage Devices

How important is it to safely eject your external storage devices? It is not always easy to tell whether your computer is still accessing or writing files to the external storage devices we use. Pulling a memory card out of its reader or removing an external drive out of the USB port could cause corrupted files, unreadable media or both. Ejectin...

Szybet

connect it to PC, upload your books, wait a few minutes, then unmount

nope still doesn't show them, neither does the sync help

upload via ssh with a rooten kernel then

is it normal for a kobo to make noise while powered on

12:27 PM

it's not correlated with the front light, I still hear it when the front light is completely off

12:28 PM

though the front light is starting to flicker a bit in one corner

Mines sometimes make noise

normal, no

5:52 PM

possible, yes

the front light in a certain corner is flickering a bit at like 10-60% brightness, the same corner where there is a gradient that loses the warm color tone, the gradient was always there but maybe not the flicker, I can't tell if I'm just tripping and it has always been that way

dead led

10% brightness is low enough for it to be gone or at least not notice it, this is what I get for buying "open box"

hmm what can i say, eink has most sense without any backlight but with an external light... the sun is my favorite

I will continue buying a new kobo every 6 months until they stop getting destroyed by me or coming pre-destroyed, when I get a new device I will sacrifice this libra 2 to trying to get inkbox working on it

well, cool

7:43 PM

how do they get destroyed by you?

my clara 2e had a 1.5cm scratch from dropping it on a hard metal corner when I was the drunkest I've ever been

7:44 PM

the scratch bothered me so I got a libra 2

7:44 PM

this time with a matte screen protector

7:44 PM

but now this frontlight stuff is happening

well the clara 2e still could be ported to inkbox without issues

I gave the clara 2e away to someone who will infrequently use it for textbooks

cool, better than maing ewaste

7:46 PM

devices with a completly broken screen still could be used to port inkbox to it, at least in 90%: https://github.com/Szybet/kobo-screen-mirror

GitHub - Szybet/kobo-screen-mirror: Mirror your kobo screen to PC, ...

Mirror your kobo screen to PC, on InkBox OS. Contribute to Szybet/kobo-screen-mirror development by creating an account on GitHub.

I wonder if these replacements come with the frontlight

its an integrated package, yes

dang, a replacement screen for libra h2o costs almost as much as just buying another libra 2

the cost of eink is 80% of the cost of the device

is it just because of a monopoly from patents or does eink really cost a lot to produce?

thats why android eink ereaders suck if they are as cheap as the linux ones - to make the price the same, the hardware is then underpowered for android

ewired

is it just because of a monopoly from patents or does eink really cost a lot to produce?

nothing costs much if its manufactured on a large scale: semiconductors for example. so yes, eink is a monopoly and it sucks there are really cheap small eink screens used in supermarkets for labeling. they cost almost nothing because there is mass production of this model.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/esp32/comments/10mzyaw/finally_found_some_practical_use_for_this_eink/

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Explore this post and more from the esp32 community

7:55 PM

I bought each of them around 1.5$ from e-bay

7:56 PM

and that with nfc electronics...

7:56 PM

they arent stolen either, most of them are sold on ebay in numbers of hundrets... noone steals that much for nothing? the items on the shelves cost more...

that is sad, I hope the patent expires and we get a ton of new eink products

8:08 PM

my open box kobo is still under warranty and they gave me an exemption for physical damage with the screen

I also told them about the CPU whine noise and that is also physical damage

8:21 PM

maybe everything wrong with the device is my fault but they're being nice to me this one time by giving me a replacement

ewired

I also told them about the CPU whine noise and that is also physical damage

its not cpu its a coil being driven wrong, or wrong frequency on it, or tolerances of components went wrong and frequency problem. very weird for a low power device. maybe its related to the brightness flickering, like a voltage line is not stable

it sounds like my laptop when I plug it into a certain third-party power adapter

i know this sound, in electronics only coils do that "normally" without burning the device

now I'm worried about what I'm charging the battery with, though it seems like it's the battery's problem if the noise is happening still while not plugged in

8:27 PM

the noise is there no matter what charger I plug it into

dont worry, devices for the most part have protection on both sides, and the charging circuit and the battery. Kobo has both you can find on #dev where i explored a dead kobo, the PMIC died ( the charging, power circuit ) so the battery applied many times short circuit protection - the battery is still fine

8:28 PM

you can try to flood all coils on your kobo with epoxy, it should minimase the noise a bit

yeah the coil whine would be fine if it weren't for the frontlight flicker

the only time i found a battery without double protection was on earphones... ouch

I can't even hear it from 4 inches away, only when it's right in my ear

Szybet

the only time i found a battery without double protection was on earphones... ouch

oh no, reminds me of messing with pulseaudio on linux lol

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https://hackaday.com/2023/11/13/obsolete-e-reader-gets-new-life/

Bryan Cockfield

Obsolete E-Reader Gets New Life

For those who read often, e-readers are a great niche device that can help prevent eye fatigue with their e-ink displays especially when compared to a backlit display like a tablet or smartphone, a…

1:35 PM

He mentioned a OS that died in 2018 instead of inkbox

1:35 PM

I saw that and tried looking for a pocketbook 624, never heard of hope xii when researching third-party ereader software

9:48 AM

inkbox could still get a hackaday mention I think, just has to be known by an active forum member or commenter or something

We tried make inkbox more popular once when 2.0 was released. Never again

We pretty much lost our time

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12:26 PM

what is happening

Hello

12:30 PM

Just found about this project, seems exciting

12:30 PM

Have some experience building android kernels and roms, would like to try this on my clara hd

12:31 PM

Any images, or would i have to build it myself?

its the most cursed device

12:31 PM

look up #deleted-channel

hehe

12:31 PM

always with the cursed ones

no. but really

12:32 PM

the nia took 2 people to port it

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the clara has already 20

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who tried and gived up

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~~not that its hard, they just give up ;p~~

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Eink is breathing

2:39 AM

scary

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what are you doing

refreshing the screen every cpu cycle hehe

hey guys, by any chance can you provide a kobo nia n306 stock rom? one that works with the custom diagnostic boot img.

What

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hey guys, by any chance can you provide a kobo nia n306 stock rom? one that works with the custom diagnostic boot img.

are you asking for an image of nickel, or an inkbox image?

10:51 AM

the diagnostic toolkit thingy is inkbox, it's not a stock/nickel thing (edited)

10:51 AM

I think

10:53 AM

if you see the custom diagnostic after attempting to install inkbox you probably did something wrong, maybe chose the wrong image

10:53 AM

idk if the nia-c version is on the website yet

if nickel is the name of the stock os, then yes nickel

12:02 PM

i have the nia-c version

12:02 PM

but ive been using it from the github post

12:02 PM

but its just been too unreliable to sue for me

12:02 PM

so i wnat to come back later to it

I dont understand the first question

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And unreliable in what way

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so i wnat to come back later to it

did you not make a backup of your sd card?

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did you not make a backup of your sd card?

yes, but for some reason my backup failed to boot now ive lost it

6:26 PM

i had made a forum post on it

6:27 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4370665#post4370665

Nia Resurrecting a bricked kobo nia! - MobileRead Forums

Nia Resurrecting a bricked kobo nia! Kobo Reader

I do not remember your issue, can you say it once again?

it began when I was trying to upgrade my Kobo's storage from 8 GB -> 32 GB by swapping the SD card as a friend of mine had done. removed the SD card and copied the partitions onto a 32 GB card, and removed all the unallocated space. then when i reinstalled everything on the 32 GB card. It would not boot, so I extended the unallocated space from the factory card and reinstalled it. This created the same result and bricked the Kobo

which os was used where

then i installed a nickel os from the forum but it was the version with the wrong pmic

[matrix] Szybet

which os was used where

this is all nickel

6:33 PM

so what id need is the factory kobo nia model c image

so you dont like inkbox

i do like it, however im having massive reliablity and performance issues

have you turned off xorg

no i havent

then do it

i used it as is out of box, and didnt run dark mode

6:37 PM

how do i go about i ?

6:37 PM

it*

settings

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xorg

2 sec

i have a problematic access to a kobo nia model c and i could retrieve the image but the reality is i dont have time

fair enough, i understand. you foss devs are doing angels work

6:44 PM

finding my kobo now lol

there is no xorg setting, howeve ri have disabled xorg and its pretty normal id say now in performance

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it began when I was trying to upgrade my Kobo's storage from 8 GB -> 32 GB by swapping the SD card as a friend of mine had done. removed the SD card and copied the partitions onto a 32 GB card, and removed all the unallocated space. then when i reinstalled everything on the 32 GB card. It would not boot, so I extended the unallocated space from the factory card and reinstalled it. This created the same result and bricked the Kobo

if you did exactly what you said here (remove all unallocated space) (edited)

8:13 PM

then you probably removed the boot partition (edited)

8:13 PM

with waveform information and uboot etc (edited)

8:14 PM

you can only use the unallocated space towards the end of the sd card

8:14 PM

if you extend it towards the beginning you delete the information it needs to boot

8:16 PM

basically, there's two unallocated sections

8:17 PM

the smaller one is actually important

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Is this project able/willing to accept github sponsors?

i just applied for that

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maybe in coming hours the sponsor button will show up

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Is this project able/willing to accept github sponsors?

it is done

tux-linux

it is done

It's a start.

Well, thanks a lot!!

No, thank you! I look forward to contributing where I can.

You're welcome. I am still in my exams but if possible I will try to catch up during holidays

Awesome

As in writing a new firmware for the watchy https://watchy.sqfmi.com/ I wonder what cool integration features could I add to inkbox with the watch, apart from changing pages from the watch, as i plan it already

Watchy by SQFMI | Watchy

Watchy by SQFMI

We could brand that firmware with inkbox or smth, like integrate it more into this project

Szybet

As in writing a new firmware for the watchy https://watchy.sqfmi.com/ I wonder what cool integration features could I add to inkbox with the watch, apart from changing pages from the watch, as i plan it already

control audio playback

8:16 PM

assuming you have wireless headphones

8:16 PM

like, your ereader could be in your backback

8:17 PM

and you could be using bluetooth headphones/earplugs

8:17 PM

though that's still strictly inferior to just using a smartwatch

then i would use my phone for that

8:43 PM

my ereader has wireless headphones, so no point in that

then there isnt a good integration for this with your ereader

i mean when i listen to music on my ereader i use the ereader

I mean more like you being able to use the watch to change tracks

8:45 PM

not the watch playing the song itself

8:45 PM

it'd still be played from the ereader

Szybet

i mean when i listen to music on my ereader i use the ereader

.

8:45 PM

i use my phone for listening to music most of the time soo

then you dont really have a use for it

8:45 PM

like I said

for the ereader or the watch?

you want your watch to either control some function or to display some kind of information

8:46 PM

what information is there that it cant already display on its own?

Szybet

for the ereader or the watch?

for integrating the watch with your ereader

8:46 PM

that was your question

changing 2 menus is not the problem

8:47 PM

but changing pages with the watchy would allow me to read while the ereader is far away from me, in bed for example

8:47 PM

like on the bed table

same for wireless headphones

8:48 PM

like if you have it in your backpack playing music via bluetooth

then its for my phone

I dislike touch controls on earphones for the most part, so physical buttons on the watch would be better

8:48 PM

you can use the watch to control your phone instead

8:48 PM

if you really wanted

8:48 PM

but it's not that useful

8:48 PM

because the phone is not as big as the ereader

i will add it, but i im asking for the ereader for now

so just taking the phone out may be more convenient

not really but yes, i get your point

could do anki on the watch?

8:49 PM

idk depends on card size

8:50 PM

text size I mean

8:50 PM

although storage could also be a concern

Kuratius

could do anki on the watch?

not that usefull

Kuratius

although storage could also be a concern

nah, flash size is big

I'm kind of grasping at straws here

i will read books on the watchy

8:51 PM

thats my main point

smartwatches dont really do anything your phone doesnt already do

8:51 PM

so idk what use they are, really

this one is special, it has eink and can do anything you want

8:52 PM

i will display weather data that i gather via a free api, that is better than any weather app and will save it for offline use, for free

8:52 PM

and read books on the bus by just moving my arm, holding your phone in a standing position in front of you is tiring

https://github.com/pimoroni/badger2040 this has a tiny ebook reader you can copy

GitHub - pimoroni/badger2040: Examples and firmware for Badger 2040...

Examples and firmware for Badger 2040 and Badger 2040 W - GitHub - pimoroni/badger2040: Examples and firmware for Badger 2040 and Badger 2040 W

8:53 PM

maybe change the font size

8:53 PM

and font type

fucking python

8:53 PM

what even is this

idk ask them

8:54 PM

but it's probably easier to port python to C than to write from scratch

8:54 PM

https://github.com/pimoroni/badger2040/blob/main/badger_os/examples/ebook.py

badger2040/badger_os/examples/ebook.py at main · pimoroni/badger2040

Examples and firmware for Badger 2040 and Badger 2040 W - pimoroni/badger2040

Kuratius

https://github.com/pimoroni/badger2040/blob/main/badger_os/examples/ebook.py

200 lines only, its easy to do something like that

Kuratius

but it's probably easier to port python to C than to write from scratch

idk if you code anything but its often easier to write from scratch ;p

really depends on the code you write (edited)

Kuratius

idk ask them

its running on rpi so its not even arduino framework

8:56 PM

depends on the code that already exists

doesnt arduino have micropython?

listen

8:57 PM

a guy made a keyboard using micropython with simple if statement via reading gpio

8:57 PM

it was fucking too slow to type on this keyboard

8:57 PM

fuck python, micropython is heresy

xD

9:03 PM

is your watch smaller than this?

this such a bad font

Ikr

its a 296x128 so its 37888 pixels mine is 200x200 = 40000

9:06 PM

Kuratius

is your watch smaller than this?

and, yes

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Hello. I came to check on the porting process for the Clara 2e. If at some point there’s development happening on that, I may be willing to help test or contribute if I can.

nope, no one touched it

9:21 PM

you need to port it yourself

9:21 PM

we can help bla bla bla

tux-linux

well 1. do you know linux well? 2. do you have a LOT of time to spare? 3. do you like nightmares?

.

I figured as much. 1. Yes 2. At a very irregular schedule. 3. We’ll find out 4. Yes, I have an Arduino.

arduino uno pin voltage is 5, which too big for the clara cpu 5V UART adapters worked for all other devices, but no one tryied for the 2E so its 5% chance it will burn (edited)

I am willing to work on porting, but as I said, I’ll only have time on a very intermittent schedule.

9:29 PM

I have an RPI as well if that’d work better.

ye will do

normally for kobo you dont need the 5v or 3v3 input

9:47 PM

battery makes up for that

9:48 PM

so just tx+rx+gnd should be fine

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should

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should

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rpi is reliable tho

Great. I will return in something like a month to begin. The device is new, so I’ll get some use out of it first before I begin to hack on it.

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hi

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welcome

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wdym

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we are for the most part english readers

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so, sadly, we don't work with japanese

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or chinese

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exporting to pdf should work

pretty good

1:36 AM

its usable

1:36 AM

but you will probably encounter issues

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idk

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probably bad

1:40 AM

we aren't very much into battery optimization

1:40 AM

first trying to get the system to work and behave would be good

1:43 AM

not really its complicated

1:44 AM

there are guides

1:44 AM

GitHub - Szybet/niAudio: Kobo nia ereader with audio added

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

1:44 AM

this could help

1:46 AM

probably

1:46 AM

there is an emulator no one likes

1:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDo9HatyieY

https://github.com/NanoMichael/MicroTeX

InkBox OS emulator

1:48 AM

maybe you should get an older one that's already supported?

1:48 AM

glo hd or nia are probably the best picks

1:48 AM

glo hd

1:51 AM

well, as you like

1:51 AM

@TheLinuxPirate also wanted to do some clara hd work

1:51 AM

although you could help with testing new clara hd model

1:51 AM

because there seems to be variations

1:51 AM

there is the Clara HD A and the Clara HD B

1:51 AM

i think there's a different pmic in it or something

1:53 AM

well, its probably more difficult

1:54 AM

it's as you want

I got lucky and got the older model Clara HD blind-buying on Amazon. I thought I read the other model will fry itself if you attempt to boot the mainline kernel on it, but that may have been postmarketos. (edited)

both

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and its a maybe

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What's worse is that Furigana doesnt work either

Only project I know of that supports Furigana is koreader. Iirc there is a koreader build for inkbox so you can just use that I think. I think vertical text is only implemented in the stock nickel reader.

let's play a game of "how many japanese readers are out there complaining it's not supported instead of implementing it" for now it's 2 ;) (edited)

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if you cant read japanese it may not be immediately obvious, but stuff like this is supposed to be above the kanji 懐かしい声 with small text above that says なつ　こえ

Most of the books I read have furigana in them, check the message to see the bugs it causes

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12:11 AM

plato has the same bug

12:11 AM

basically ruby tags arent implemented

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so the parser ignores them and vomits it where it shouldnt be

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\overset would work for this purpose in latex and there are compact latex renderers that support overset + text

12:13 AM

so that could be a workaround, but you'd need implement linebreaking and whatnot first

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since the latex projects I saw that are standalone dont have that many features

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I played aroud with microtex here

Kuratius

Click to see attachment 🖼️

here

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GitHub - NanoMichael/MicroTeX: A dynamic, cross-platform, and embed...

A dynamic, cross-platform, and embeddable LaTeX rendering library - GitHub - NanoMichael/MicroTeX: A dynamic, cross-platform, and embeddable LaTeX rendering library

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https://github.com/NanoMichael/MicroTeX

awesome

1:49 AM

maybe inkbox could get latex support

1:49 AM

idk for what use case tho

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@tux-linux i have found a job for your talent

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12:57 AM

what is the font for the hour and minute timer, the biggest one

12:58 AM

https://github.com/Prokuon/watchy-starfield/blob/main/Watchy_7_SEG.cpp Saying that it's stupid to make static gui's once got me already into trouble but fajkdsnfjksandmjk what the fuck this amazing clock is mostly if else bitmap

hm i am not good in bitmap fonts

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sorry

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but maybe if you go on dafont.com you will eventually find it

4:03 AM

this website hasn't changed in 10 years

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https://www.dafont.com/bitmap.php

Bitmap, pixel, screen fonts, small fonts, userbar | dafont.com

Archive of freely downloadable fonts. Browse by alphabetical listing, by style, by author or by popularity.

4:04 AM

maybe it's in one of the 54 pages

https://github.com/Prokuon/watchy-starfield/blob/62e085fabdfba24bf32bc352cc986df9929aa807/Watchy_7_SEG.cpp#L35C5-L35C45

4:42 AM

it apparently wants to load this font DSEG7_Classic_Bold_53 but it's either proprietary or not there because can't find it anywhere

4:42 AM

on dafont you will probably find something that suits your needs though or even in fbink preinstalled bitmap fonts (edited)

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The code doesnt match the image

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Its a ttf font

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Monospaced one

Yea I know it's like it's not the same font

https://www.dafont.com/cyborg-punk.font

Cyborg Punk Font | dafont.com

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this looks good

1:14 PM

this watch is awesome

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i can do anything i want

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my firmware is in the style of ipd but no mutexes because everything is thread safe and proper task management from freertos, better than what we have

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Hi, I am struggling a bit. I placed my epubs in a subfolder on the SD-Card. But they don't show up in InkBox.

2:16 PM

Do they have to be in a specific location?

2:18 PM

...the best thing is, when you describe the problem and come up with the solution. Solved, my fault. (Thanks for being my rubber duck

)

Just installed KoReader. Is it correct, that I have to copy my books to the app-data folder to access it? Furthermore, right now I have the problem that KoReader is not saving the current settings (like changing language). After exiting KoReader, it is set to english again. Any chance to keep the settings?

yes - if you dont want in app-data, then you need to update the rootfs Oh It's a bug with my port of koreader - you need to figure out how to tell koreader where to save the settings ( I thought It worked ) then I can create a new app package I dont have time to do this soo

2:59 PM

the sources are on my github

okay, thanks

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there is a web browser for inbox operating system?

yes and no a shitty xorg one which is lagging and one that doesnt have a on screen keyboard and supports barely html

[matrix] Szybet

yes and no a shitty xorg one which is lagging and one that doesnt have a on screen keyboard and supports barely html

So with inbox what will you be able to do???

Read books I guess?

read rss news learn with sanki play some games bend the device to your own will with free and open source software

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Hey ya'll, I had a couple of questions on InkBox...

Is there a porting guide? I'm an embedded/Linux engineer in my day job (working mostly with NVIDIA Tegras, Rockchips, and some Amlogic chips) and am looking to port InkBox to my Clara 2E
Is there a way to run "user apps" on InkBox? ie. if I want to write a WireGuard UI so I may use a VPN, or a UI to sync with my homelab

1. It's complicated 2. Yes, idk if that specific thing will work though

12:30 AM

https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/blob/main/inkbox.md

Kobo Nia: diagnostics mode on installation · Issue #47 · Kobo-InkB...

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

12:30 AM

Might help Otherwise we can guide you

Thanks, I'll give it a look!

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Finally a developer

12:50 AM

Welcome

12:51 AM

The 2E should be easy to port, its the same kernel as kobo nia c

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hello

hi

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achievement completed: not behave like a ghost

yep

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guess this server is dead/semi-dead

5:46 AM

atleast i wont have tons of pings

not really just run by two students desperately in need of a proper development team

welp, if i knew how to dev, i would

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my development skills are limited to making minecraft modpacks and maybe some arch commands but thats it.

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so uh

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non existant

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i mean i know a TINY bit of python

i understand

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its okay

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Hi everybody, just installed inkbox on a kobo touch n905c and wanted to give a feedback. Probabbly will donate if everything looks fine

Hi

1:59 PM

cool

What is the point of UI scaling factor if then i can increase the font? I'm sorry I am noon

2:00 PM

Noob

its broken and should be removed

2:01 PM

dont use it

I must select one during the setup, so i choose which one?

what

2:02 PM

choose the default one

Yea, the scaling factor should be to minimum otherwise some buttons like the exit button in 2048 goes off the screen

2:06 PM

Should i open a bug report or something?

nope, we know that

I will remove it today I think

I have had a fatal bug

3:43 PM

Was browsing the kobox browser, went to the settings page of the browser, it gave an alert that said vnc connection lost (even if i didn't use vnc at all) ad it crashed

3:43 PM

Now the screen is completely black and idk how to reset it

xorg is completly experimental and such things can happen especially on such a old device

3:43 PM

reset the ereader, turn it off and on via the power button

Alright, i didn't know i could restart the device. Thx. I'll disable the xorg things

To make netsurf not crash, you can try not to open the menus

Hi everyone, sorry for bothering with question but does anyone have a Kobo Nia in order to compare my experience? I'll explain myself better: I installed and (after a bit of trouble resizing the SD) everything was working but... It's "laggy"... I mean, I don't care about the fact that it's slow (I only have to read on it, so speed is not necessary), what I mean is that quite often menus don't load well (elements from previous rendered page are overlapping with the new page) and for example KoReader don't boot straight up. I'm aware of this issue: https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/47 but I have a +4A2 serial number. I'm asking this just to know if something is wrong with my device or simply the Nia isn't powerful enough and I will have to change device to get a better experience.

Hi

I've flashed the storage of my Kobo Nia, everything worked smoothly. When turning the device on for the first time and since then, I always end up in inkbox Diagnostics and Recovery - it ...

disable xorg

Trying rn

if the sd card is slow, the device can be slow too

So, just to know, Xorg isn't the main display server? I guess then than it's used for custom apps like Qt ones?

10:25 PM

And also, by disabling Xorg you mean KoBox right?

its the opposite qt has its own faster and better way of displaying things and xorg is weird slow buggy and hell with him yes, kobox

So is Qt the DS rn?

there is no ds server in a linux way

10:28 PM

qt has platform plugins, and those are attached to apps as "libraries" and they display to xorg, or wayland, or directly to the screen in our example

[matrix] Szybet

qt has platform plugins, and those are attached to apps as "libraries" and they display to xorg, or wayland, or directly to the screen in our example

[matrix] haitam-kenwai Didn't know that

Cool

10:29 PM

Thanks for the explanation

10:29 PM

I rarely use Qt apps (and never developed in it)

10:33 PM

Ok, now everything seems better

10:34 PM

Does disabling KoBox prevent me from doing something?

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/Improving-InkBox-performance#could-replacing-the-sd-card-improve-performance

Improving InkBox performance

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

10:34 PM

using kobox apps

[matrix] Szybet

using kobox apps

[matrix] haitam-kenwai Make sense

I'm trying to open a .epub and it freezes the device... And my microsd is pretty good

koreader?

Marzagheddon

I'm trying to open a .epub and it freezes the device... And my microsd is pretty good

known issue with koreader

11:05 PM

I had my nia freeze for 20 min trying to prerender a Japanese book

11:07 PM

it renders the entire book on first open, with no way to abort the process

11:07 PM

instead of, say, the first page

11:07 PM

in exchange subsequent openings are relatively fast (edited)

Also, now it opened but if i have a big font all the pages are cut. And i can't scroll them

Marzagheddon

Also, now it opened but if i have a big font all the pages are cut. And i can't scroll them

what reader?

Kuratius

it renders the entire book on first open, with no way to abort the process

hehe we do that too

Kobo n905

and did you use koreader or the built in reader?

tux-linux

hehe we do that too

soon not

Built in i guess. I clicked reader and then the book

prerendering isnt too bad, if there is an abort button and a way to tell progress

use koreader, this one is shitty

Szybet

soon not

why

11:12 PM

didnt you change it

mine doesnt do that

11:13 PM

but i dont have time to finish it

11:13 PM

so soon is 6 months

so it unzips the book every time?

11:13 PM

no more instant page loading?

directly uses the zip via mupdf

tux-linux

no more instant page loading?

are you ******* serious, i showed you a few demos already and its faster already

ok, that too was 6mo ago

11:15 PM

and iirc you said it still wasn't great because it couldn't split pages perfectly

"couldn't perfectly" is better than what is now, now its chaos

How to open with koreader?

install it

does koreader work with 2.0 release or does it need git updates

Damn this is hard lol

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/user-applications last one in the list

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/user-applications: User applications repository

User applications repository. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/user-applications development by creating an account on GitHub.

tux-linux

does koreader work with 2.0 release or does it need git updates

you need to put books inside app data, apart from that sometimes time and brightness can die inside of koreader, apart from that its fine

ok

dead link https://github.com/Szybet/koreader-inkbox/releases/tag/

tux-linux

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/user-applications last one in the list

this one's not

11:21 PM

oh but yea

11:21 PM

can't download

Kuratius

dead link https://github.com/Szybet/koreader-inkbox/releases/tag/

githubs fault

https://github.com/Szybet/koreader-inkbox/releases/tag/2023-10-07

Release 2023-10-07 · Szybet/koreader-inkbox

Full Changelog: 2023-10-05...2023-10-07

11:21 PM

should work

Damn, i'll try tomorrow, after some good sleep

Just discovered inkbox, so excited! Trying to determine which kobo reader has the most ram and is supported, am I correct that it's the Kobo Libra H2O aka N873?

i think you should choose the glo hd instead it's less complicated to install inkbox on it

11:18 PM

it has 512mb ram too

Thank you, I do like the higher ppi on the libra, although not that important, and unless I read wrong the microsd is removable on the Libra but you have to replace the waterproofing, I like that there is some waterproofing, but again not show stopper. Is it really that much easier?

nice nick

11:20 PM

as you named yourself so, do you know the watchy?

11:21 PM

the epaper watch

I've read about it, I had the pebble watch which is transflective lcd and now I have a garmin with similiar b/w screen. my watch battery needs to last at least a week!

11:22 PM

I have a hisense eink phone which is killer, but tons of chinese bloatware and I still dont trust it even though it is rooted and firewalled

cool

tux-linux

i think you should choose the glo hd instead it's less complicated to install inkbox on it

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:matrix.org) is it just removing the sd card that is more difficult?

no

11:25 PM

there is no sd card in libra

11:25 PM

so you have to install manually over serial

ahh okay that is very good to know. I don't want a headache so this is very good advice

+ there is a risk of bricking it to the state only a skilled developer / electrician could fix it (edited)

11:26 PM

so glo

11:26 PM

or the nia if you want to go cheaper

11:27 PM

also, inkbox os is not perfect, its usable

11:27 PM

just for you to be aware

nia I was concerned since there are different versions that may not work, don't want to order wrong one. and less ram

both work

11:28 PM

on one its less supported but it works

[matrix] Szybet

so glo

glo hd otherwise you will get 212ppi and 256mb ram

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/issues/47 well here its said it is ported already

Kobo Nia: diagnostics mode on installation · Issue #47 · Kobo-InkB...

Hi

I've flashed the storage of my Kobo Nia, everything worked smoothly. When turning the device on for the first time and since then, I always end up in inkbox Diagnostics and Recovery - it ...

11:29 PM

nicolas please close this issue

done

tux-linux

glo hd otherwise you will get 212ppi and 256mb ram

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:matrix.org) ahh the glo hd I couldn't find the ram, so it is 512?

glo hd : 300 ppi and 512 mb ram glo : 212 ppi and 256 mb ram

glo hd can be only bought used

yes I used a mini for a long time because it was the smallest ereader I could find, had to stop when it started getting difficult to find used ones

11:33 PM

ok thank you guys so much I am so glad I came to ask, the glo hd sounds perfect

11:33 PM

I know some discussion is elsewhere but how many hours of reading do people get ballpark, is it much less than stock software? and does it use much energy when off/in sleep?

11:34 PM

I also just discovered KOBOX, which allows a browser, but this is for stock software right?

11:34 PM

I am really hoping I can get some note taking app to take nots while I read, I couldn't find if copy and paste was availabile

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

yes I used a mini for a long time because it was the smallest ereader I could find, had to stop when it started getting difficult to find used ones

did you know inkbox supports mini

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

I know some discussion is elsewhere but how many hours of reading do people get ballpark, is it much less than stock software? and does it use much energy when off/in sleep?

we dont care about battery optimization to sum it up

yes I did, which is nice since kobo no longer supports the mini I believe

first we would like the system to be actually usable

tux-linux

we dont care about battery optimization to sum it up

[matrix] Szybet at least in sleep we do, when its sleeping the battery life doesnt drop much at all

especially the reader part, which for the moment is not so great

tux-linux

especially the reader part, which for the moment is not so great

[matrix] Szybet we have koreader as a replacement for that

koreader can run on inkbox? forgive the stupid questions I know I can find answer, I really appreciate your expertise

it can, we have many native apps

yes

and xorg apps are experimental and slow soo keep that in mind

nevermind I saw the app list

glo hd is one of the best models for kobox

11:38 PM

well, apart from some strange fbdepth bug that happens sometimes

yes I want the 512ram so I can experiment with xorg apps

don't count too much on xorg tho

no, primarily I want to read books without having every page turn sent to some conglomerate

koreader can do that ;p

I wonder if koreader app on stock softare is enough to minimize the trracking, but I imagine its technically possible for kobo to see what books I have installed if they wanted to with their software

on stock firmware it can reset itself often and randomly on updates or randomly if using other apps, which deletes all your data

11:42 PM

and they show you adds obviously

11:42 PM

of books they sell

yes this is not an option for me

11:42 PM

so inkbox is my only option

11:42 PM

I also have considered the remarkable tablet, but it is expensive

11:42 PM

do you know if the glo hd supports otg keyboard?

not tested

11:43 PM

probably some hassle

11:43 PM

idk

it should?, and inkbox supports usb keyboard, even a mouse in some places, with hot plugging! ( at least on the nia model A ) https://github.com/Szybet/niAudio/tree/main/keyboard

niAudio/keyboard at main · Szybet/niAudio

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:43 PM

on other devices, idk

well, on nia sure

11:44 PM

on glo hd idk

what makes the nia special, the port or the hardware?

the insane guy that did that

11:44 PM

(me)

(or the kernel i guess?)

11:44 PM

haha good work

nothing really, just everything really

11:45 PM

it was 1 year of free time work to achieve that flawlessly

youre a star

thank you

11:49 PM

its the most advanced eink-usb keyboard open source setup available

now I am torn, but I think I will enjoy the ram more than the keyboard, hard to say

you can tinker yourself to make it work

11:50 PM

also you would need the nia model A to make it work oob

11:51 PM

and a special cable

it would be good to have otg support on another device too

and some modified software in addition to inkbox because it would be dangerous to add it to the stock

I may not be the best candidate, I am a researcher so reading is a higher priority than tinkering unfortunately

just saying

is there a max sd card size? I have a 256gb endurance sd card

11:52 PM

for max read/writes

no one checked such a big one

11:53 PM

32Gb worked for sure

such a great project

https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.php?title=Resizing_USB_mass_storage i see you will need this

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/releases/tag/2.0

alpine one of my favs for the security assumptions

/markdown ~~we use outdated alpine~~ (edited)

we use alpine from 2019 so can't really vouch on it

lol

[matrix] Szybet

/markdown ~~we use outdated alpine~~ (edited)

[matrix] Szybet welp matrix has broken formatting

we do update software with self compiled versions sometimes

better than the outdated chinese android 8 on my current reader !

11:55 PM

encrypted storage is crucial at least

hehe...

11:56 PM

nicolas, i didnt followed encrypted storage, does it work?

probably

haha

propably is 30% here

it was nuclear-proofed before 2.0 release

11:57 PM

so yes

11:57 PM

but it causes some issues with local library so you have to open your books by searching them

glo hd comes in 2gb and 4gb apparently? but it doesnt matter since I am replacing sd card anyway?

what does the listing look like

nevermind, I can figure out on my own dont need to bother you

12:05 AM

ok so even though its not priority no ballpark for how long battery lasts reading?

3d not more I think

thats killer

12:07 AM

and h2o has the biggest screen but difficult to flash

Though better batt

12:08 AM

I am probably biased because I leave my Kobo's plugged in all the time

last I could find no copy pasting in koreader, is there any way to copy paste selections from a book into a notes app (like feather notes, thank you szybet!)

feather notes needs usb keyboard we dont support multi apps because of hardware limitations

12:11 AM

so you sadly wont be able to use them at the same time

okay makes sense.. looking up now how koreader handles highlights and if I can export

12:13 AM

looking forward to using the rss app and then syncthing so I can push my newsletters over

12:13 AM

will probably come crawling back when I am trying to figure out what formats rss takes for importing my current rss feeds

12:14 AM

very grateful and impressed you both are on here and so helpful

I suggest you try it on your mini first Then decide if you want to buy Glo hd

the mini is long gone unfortunately

Oh

and I really have no other alternatives for privacy conscious ereader

Ensure you buy n437 model, not n613

hello hackers, I saw this requested elsewhere and I know it is annoying but truly a bit scary to download firmware from a site over http! I am going to send some money over paypal right now to show how much I care! https is love.

7:23 PM

very cool apps are signed though, thank you again for all your efforts

We have sha256sums on gh

7:26 PM

Release InkBox 2.0 · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

Biggest release of InkBox OS ever. Yes, the time gap between 1.9 and 2.0 is huge, but we hope you will find that it was worth it. Thanks to @Szybet for greatly contributing to the project, now for ...

7:26 PM

End of release announcement

7:26 PM

Thanks a lot for your support! (edited)

ahhh I am a bit stupid for not checking this forst

7:27 PM

https doesnt matter then so much

7:27 PM

sorry to bother youy

another question I will be able to answer on my own soon enough, apologies: inkbox supports the warm frontlight? and does it allow the lighting to go below stock minimum? havent used a kobo recently but minimum always too bright

yes

8:59 PM

no

hardware limited

i find the libra's frontlight pretty fine (edited)

9:00 PM

yes

you can use dark mode to make it darker

in the future

it works in koreader

9:01 PM

and in sanki

well, yes, there

thank you

np

and sending web pages or articles to read on the device what do you guys use? export on pc and syncthing?

i dont read web pages on my ereader but maybe you can export them to pdf ask szybet, i think he uses syncthing (edited)

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

and sending web pages or articles to read on the device what do you guys use? export on pc and syncthing?

[matrix] Szybet exactly

web pages to epub

10:06 PM

many ways to do that

10:06 PM

cool as hell

10:06 PM

syncthing syncs it in a few seconds

yes i love epub, love when open standards win

10:06 PM

thank you this is what I will do

i think you will need to update rootfs for that

10:07 PM

to be able for syncthing to use the main storage instead of only app storage

10:08 PM

nicolas, can you please prepare rootfs for him? update gui apps and ipd, this is the most important part

cant you move from app storage manually on the device afterwards?

only with ssh

10:09 PM

so, no

hm ok thank you

you can move it from usbms

10:10 PM

no? @Szybet

nicolas should find time to provide you with this small partial update

will you buy a libra

10:11 PM

if so we can install the last development version right from the trunk

i will buy glo hd

what? i dont understand

10:11 PM

oh

why did you ask for warm light then

10:11 PM

glo hd hasn't any

damn!

10:13 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348546

Libra 2 I changed the sdcard of my Kobo Libra 2 - MobileRead Forums

Libra 2 I changed the sdcard of my Kobo Libra 2 Kobo Reader

yes youre looking at libra 2, not libra

10:13 PM

libra has an easier to replace sd card

10:13 PM

i think it isnt coated

10:14 PM

at least i don't remember it being coated on mine

the kobo wikipedia page I should update since it is missing some battery and ram information

sure if you want

I also read another thread where person replaced the white LED with warm led....

what

yes thats probably a lot of complicated tinkering

show me

10:15 PM

how

10:15 PM

what

when someone has time

link please

tux-linux

when someone has time

[matrix] Szybet

️

https://blog.redfantom.nl/2020/03/kobo-glo-mod-ember-orange-leds/

RedFantom

Kobo Glo Mod: Ember Orange LEDs - RedFantom's Blog

Is the light of your Kobo Glo backlight too bright? No worries! You can replace the LEDs of the backlight. Be warned though: It's not easy.

matterbridge

[matrix] Szybet

️

no, i mean people who do that really have time to do it

10:16 PM

not us

10:16 PM

probably

this person just put filter over the leds apparently

10:16 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310272

[Hardware Mod] Warm light / redshift on Kobo Glo HD - MobileRead F...

[Hardware Mod] Warm light / redshift on Kobo Glo HD Kobo Reader

oh, i think i remember another one who replaced them entirely idk anymore

yes I misspoke these two mods actually replace the LED

what a madmap manually soldering those

10:17 PM

well yea i dont have time for that

maybe you can put an orange filter on the screen itself

10:17 PM

just an idea

10:18 PM

probably will work like crap

me neither

but the link to those leds... i looked for something like that for the watchy

not a bad idea

10:18 PM

so I either have 512mb ram and no warm light, or 256 and warm light or the libra h2O with both but cant remove the sd card

what model has 256mb and warm light

I thought only two had 512 and was assuming

clara hd has 512mb and warm light

10:21 PM

probably not your best option right now

inkbox doesnt work on it

false

10:21 PM

it works

10:22 PM

but slower than on some 256m devices

true

whats issue

fb rendering

ahh

faaaalse

?

the display is too slow because kernel issues

10:22 PM

compared to all other devices

well, yea, fb rendering is a kernel issue

this sounds not fun to use

its borderline usable

10:23 PM

enough to get a beta image out

is there a 256 device that is the fastest??

and hope someone finds a fix

10:23 PM

i wouldnt vouch on 256mb devices

i expect to do pdf reflow in koreader and that needs ram

i suggest libra h2o also, with that device you can hard brick it and recover easily even there

10:24 PM

@andi knows a bit about it

10:24 PM

he had a broken screen one, he just wiped everything on the emmc and was still able to load a bootloader afterwards

10:24 PM

via usb

thats not so easy

10:24 PM

stop

well, if you have enough will

if its possible over usb thats not so bad

10:25 PM

what are the odds I break it???

and brick is probably not something that will happen in the first place

10:25 PM

if you follow instructions, probably very slim

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

if its possible over usb thats not so bad

[matrix] Szybet nicolas doesnt know the full picture and is wrong

what

10:26 PM

i do boot my libra over usb

and flashing inkbox possible over usb?

i did recover from a broken kernel over usb

10:26 PM

i know the full picture

on the h2O i mean

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

and flashing inkbox possible over usb?

yes but manually

tux-linux

what

[matrix] Szybet i dont have time to explain but polease dont recommend eemc devices to people that are not ready to cut traces and reconnect them when the device is on. thanks

well, he seems ready to do whatever hacking is needed

kernel haha easy

10:27 PM

what about broken bootloader?

you just throw it a new u-boot via uuu

tux-linux

well, he seems ready to do whatever hacking is needed

[matrix] Szybet even you arent ready for that, stop

over usb

epaperboi: dont buy eemc devices for real

matterbridge

[matrix] Szybet even you arent ready for that, stop

what

ok I dont want to get stuck fixing it so I wont

10:28 PM

so glo hd still my best bet for 512

probably then

it is no problem to erase the bootloader and then recover on the kobos, but if you write a bad bootloader, things can become hard

10:28 PM

and having a bigger sd is also nice

tux-linux

you just throw it a new u-boot via uuu

[matrix] Szybet if the bootloader is broken but the cpu doesnt detect that, you cant do anything

yes

10:29 PM

true

I think covering the LEDs in orange plastic is easier haha

you have awaken andi you see? stop spreading misinformation ;p

but isnt there a way to short the mmc and force it to boot a working bootloader via usb?

10:29 PM

probably hard from technical standpoint

cutting traces

10:29 PM

and not shorting

if there are test points...

tux-linux

probably hard from technical standpoint

[matrix] Szybet find the trace, diagnose the trace, cut it and connect it when the device is on and dont short anything else yea, lol

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4185784&postcount=11 here

MobileRead Forums - View Single Post - Kobo Touch N905 - need exte...

MobileRead - the resource for mobile geeks seeking information and advice for keeping their gadgets happy.

lots of discussion of this project it might be useful to have a "recommended hardware" section on the wiki

I managed to to something like that on the BT200

[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

lots of discussion of this project it might be useful to have a "recommended hardware" section on the wiki

well, libra h2o literally isnt recommended anywhere

but it is really hard, and I had to do the analysis from a working system

1

it's for people who want to tinker but understandably not everyone wants such a thing

where I could control the whole system and lines

nice (edited)

tux-linux

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4185784&postcount=11 here

[matrix] Szybet do you know how thing are those traces? you need a microscope for that

do you know how thin are those traces? you need a microscope for that

well, not traces

10:32 PM

test points

sure i was just saying someone succeeded in doing something like that before i know its hard

10:33 PM

though i remember some kindles had a way to bypass the boot instruction and listen over usb even with a broken bootloader

10:33 PM

kindle touch (edited)

10:33 PM

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/971524185815928934/973056622060515369

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Epson_Moverio_BT-200_(embt2ws)

Epson Moverio BT-200 (embt2ws)

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10:33 PM

depends how well the bootloader is broken

well, i couldnt access a prompt

10:35 PM

this one used imx_usb_downloader

probably same as uuu

10:35 PM

conceptually

and you could boot u-boots even if one was not working Before the actual u-boot would start

andi

conceptually

probably just a bit older

10:36 PM

you had to long press the power button before even anything would start

10:36 PM

and it would export itself over usb

10:36 PM

SE BLANK MEGREZ or smth like that

if the boot order is usb, then emmc or something

10:36 PM

the same might appears on empty emmc

1

10:37 PM

if things are wired accordingly, you can do some button magic of course

1

maybe I should wait for the clara HD and have it all.... lol

but coming back to the libra, i think i never had to write a new u-boot to it

10:38 PM

when andi sent test 2020.10 u-boots, i loaded them over usb (edited)

10:38 PM

i think mine is still running the original

10:38 PM

the only thing I changed were the boot commands but if you brick it there it's probably very easy to fix it up

10:40 PM

at best, a reflash from userspace of the env vars at worse, some commands in u-boot command line via serial port

10:40 PM

so it's yours to choose but there is no harm done to the bootloader in inkbox install process, as far as I recall

10:43 PM

if you want a reasonably simple device, then the glo hd is the way to go even though its 9yo

10:43 PM

ereader specs dont really change over time

10:43 PM

the glo hd's screen is better than the clara's, to give you an idea at least better than my clara

what might be interesting is the clara2e

10:44 PM

because of bluetooth

i think it has an sdcard

10:44 PM

i bought the libra 2 yesterday (edited)

10:44 PM

also has bluetooth

I have the clara2e and did not manage to remove the sd card yet

probably that a cross-device bluetooth handler can be written (edited)

10:45 PM

is it coated

yes, it is tricky but should not be without chance

10:46 PM

there is some 5.10 kernel for the 2e

did you look at the guy who removed it in his libra 2

no

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348546

Libra 2 I changed the sdcard of my Kobo Libra 2 - MobileRead Forums

Libra 2 I changed the sdcard of my Kobo Libra 2 Kobo Reader

10:46 PM

he has some advice

10:46 PM

you can probably get away with ums via u-boot on the clara 2e i presume though? (edited)

well, need more storage

hm

10:47 PM

then yea, removing it is better

for testing, yes

10:48 PM

so I would first try to do any porting steps

1

we also once thought of making inkbox boot from a nfs rootfs over usbnet probably a bit far fetched

and upstream stuff to the kernel

porting inkbox or porting the kernel?

porting the kernel

hm

and then doing risky stuff

10:49 PM

like removing the card

yea

10:49 PM

maybe you could use an otg usb adapter and somehow make it work with an external drive or smth

10:49 PM

or sd card

so if I have done any kernel work and upstreamed, at least there was a use in having the device

1

10:51 PM

I have already contacted the main Rohm kernel developer about the pmic build in there

10:51 PM

and kernel status

nice

e.g. map of sweden in png is 13 GB

how can it be that big

some gigs of map files for navit for actual routing

oh

27300 tiles of 1000x1000 pixels I have for sweden

thats massive

so there are ways to fill up the space...

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10:57 PM

or think about wikipedia dumps

10:57 PM

or wikivoyage

yea

what about kiwix files? is there another format for wikipedia dumps?

I think I have used them

11:17 PM

in the past

11:18 PM

Kobo Clara original firmware reacts allergic to zim files

11:18 PM

it caused the reader to reboot

maybe too big for filesystem?

well no, I tried even smaller ones

sorry I am ignorant and just hanging out should probably keep to myself

no, its fine

something general about emmc boot and broken bootloaders: if there is a hw mechanism to change boot order (like the pin needed it wired to some key), then you have an easy game, some devices have that, others not

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Szybet: how do you use syncthing with the inability to move files?

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[matrix] epaperboi (@epaperboi:m

Szybet: how do you use syncthing with the inability to move files?

What do you mean? My syncthing has access to the main storage arrea for books

tux-linux

@OfficerAction OK, so as a side-project more or less related to KoBox: Since I had success running Alpine Linux entirely on the Kobo, I'd like to develop myself an embedded system for my Kobo using a coughs recent Qt framework and Qt Web Engine. It would probably include an open-source reader framework or in-house developed one. I.e. an open source Nickel. Since your Manga reader was in Qt, I think you're the one who knows most about it in this server. So, I have some questions for you (and to anyone who knows about an answer); 1. On what system should it be run? I think Alpine is fine, but I don't know if musl-libc is ideal for it... but also, I've seen Yocto and BuildRoot, those seem pretty interesting... 2. What's the learning curve? I know some Python and C. Qt is mostly C++, right? Don't worry, if you say "very hard" I'll give it a try anyways I think haha 3. any other recommendations/warning/emergencies like "doooon't do thiiss" or the like? thanks! (edited)

if you want to see some prehistorical chat even before inkbox

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

also, first preserved inkbox screenshot

Hi. What should I do if my device (Kobo Glo) lags a lot?

disable xorg

KoboX? Already, same

7:42 PM

KoBox*

Well, what do you mean by lags a lot

Have to wait a long time for a response after pressing

which presses

7:44 PM

are you from ukraine? your nick is?

+

what do you press

[matrix] Szybet

which presses

[matrix] Кіт ЧайникTwix On the interface

describe

7:44 PM

which buttons...

Did you get the video?

The OK button can take longer, apart from that others look fine - you need to press a bit harder if they dont register apart from that its just eink + loading times it works as intended

Sad( Any plans to add support for KOReader Sync?

koreader is supported

7:52 PM

as for koreader sync, idk if it will work

Stop, how install koreader in inkbox?

7:52 PM

Unofficial build?

unnoficiall app

7:52 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/user-applications

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/user-applications: User applications repository

User applications repository. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/user-applications development by creating an account on GitHub.

Man, cool! Thanks you

Started KOReader, but no reaction to clicks at all

which device?

Kobo Glo

tux-linux: can you check it?

n613

yea idk

8:13 PM

you are the first one to launch it on that device

8:13 PM

you can debug it yourself or smth, idk

I ran it a second time. Same situation

[matrix] Szybet

tux-linux: can you check it?

i didnt try koreader on any of my devices

Szybet: which devices did you test koreader on?

9:21 PM

I am interested to see if any of the built in sync features work in koreader

9:21 PM

or dictionary import

nia only

well my glo hd is in the mail should have it soon

9:24 PM

and if nothing works I will always buy the same device as the dev from now on haha

dont worry

9:24 PM

nicolas will fix it

lolol "you can debug it yourself or smth, idk"

9:26 PM

is this a trick to replace my reading with hacking

you donated to the project so i think as nicolas had time recently, he will fix this issue for you (edited)

no I hope not how he treats the donation, he can do whatever he pleases. the donation is for the work already done

9:28 PM

and I want the next version to be named "ePaperBoi 3.0"

9:28 PM

that is all

also this bug is not necessarily present on the glo hd

9:28 PM

we were talking about the glo

9:28 PM

careful with device names

9:28 PM

i will try it this week with my glo hd

9:28 PM

and report back

I know

9:29 PM

I was looking at koreader features last night and so now amjust excited to see how many are broken on inkbox lol

nicolas, do you have access to the glo and what device do i have

9:30 PM

the tolino one

n613

9:31 PM

glo

9:31 PM

not glo hd

9:31 PM

you would know it, glo hd has 300ppi screen

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[matrix] epaperboi

I was looking at koreader features last night and so now amjust excited to see how many are broken on inkbox lol

koreader on glo hd works

4:32 AM

at least the touchscreen does

4:33 AM

it's so strange seeing koreader run on inkbox, hadn't installed it before it's awesome but also sad

4:37 AM

well, after all, maybe the reader isn't necessarily the most important piece of software we are providing an entire open-source os, tons of features and everything else so I guess using koreader would just be as if you installed it on nickel, to replace a technically-usable-but-not-so-great reader (edited)

you can even download wikipedia articles

4:46 AM

open them in koreader

4:48 AM

...or in inkbox

tux-linux

well, after all, maybe the reader isn't necessarily the most important piece of software we are providing an entire open-source os, tons of features and everything else so I guess using koreader would just be as if you installed it on nickel, to replace a technically-usable-but-not-so-great reader (edited)

OS+ UI are the greatest parts of inkbox imo

thanks

5:13 AM

you can really achieve a nice gui with qt

reader itself is secondary

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you just have to use it wisely

[matrix] Кіт ЧайникTwix

Started KOReader, but no reaction to clicks at all

i can reproduce the issue

5:26 AM

i will see if i can fix it

5:30 AM

though making it crash intentionally reveals something interesting but it may be unrelated (edited)

5:30 AM

@Szybet it should be reproducible on your tolino as well

How

oh also update ipd to repair maybe koreader

9:23 AM

or reboot the device and dont go to sleep before launching koreader

Szybet

How

just install koreader on it

5:11 PM

in inkbox with n613 image? (edited)

[matrix] Szybet

oh also update ipd to repair maybe koreader

what

maybe ipd is killing koreaders squashfs

5:19 PM

for some reason

5:20 PM

in the older version

also is it normal your koreader package doesn't have a terminal emulator

Szybet

maybe ipd is killing koreaders squashfs

when going to sleep? (edited)

5:21 PM

i have no problems with sleep+koreader on the libra

5:21 PM

with latest ipd and everything

latest, yea i fixed it

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tux-linux

also is it normal your koreader package doesn't have a terminal emulator

why would it have it

it has one

5:31 PM

a real one

never tested i dont care

5:34 PM

you can repair it

https://github.com/koreader/koreader/releases/tag/v2022.02

Release KOReader 2022.02 "Україна" · koreader/koreader

This month there's been a fairly big change on PocketBook. The rendering is now handled directly with inkview (#8727) This may result in some visual differences, but in principle it should work...

it propably cant launch /bin/sh or smth

maybe but it didnt even show up in the menus

Szybet

latest, yea i fixed it

good what changes did you do in general for it to actually work on inkbox? i would want to update it

5:38 PM

"done, but could be better" is a bit elusive

Note for future me: Just compare the koreader folder with the version described in app.json to know what changes were made... I could have just split it in commits ;p

5:40 PM

good luck

do you remember roughly

5:41 PM

breaking changes

5:41 PM

idk

5:42 PM

its strange that touch input doesnt work on the glo because its using the right device name afaik (daylight)

its propably ipd

ok

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I am looking forward to testing the other koreader features on inkbox soon

11:38 PM

very interested if it will sync page turns with calibre server

11:38 PM

or sync wallabag articles

11:38 PM

there is also this I found https://gitlab.com/anarcat/wallabako

Antoine Beaupré / wallabako · GitLab

Wallabag client for Kobo readers. Downloads unread articles as individual EPUB files.

11:38 PM

in case you are bored Szybet lol

11:39 PM

if they work I am looking forward to hosting my own wallabag and calibre servers and solving two meaningful problems at once

11:40 PM

but I don't know how networkign works on inkbox and why the built in koreader syncing would work without serious effort, but I am excited to experiment anyway

tux-linux

you can even download wikipedia articles

[matrix] epaperboi this is impressive, this is from within koreader? it is able to load wikipedia from web on its own?

Yes, no

how did you view this wikipedia entry in order to save offline?

It is only loading the page's data

11:51 PM

I don't know how

11:51 PM

But can't browse the web

but it is accessing live wikipedia?

Yes

do libraries load when you select a word?

tux-linux

Yes

[matrix] epaperboi this is very good news

I think

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soce

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Szybet

wow, a guy from czechia

so problem?

he's just impressed

MrBurgerCZ

so problem?

lol no

wanted to say some, not so

9:23 PM

it looks wierd

Pardon the intrusion, but it would be wise to make a dd iso backup of the included SD card and then flash inkbox onto the 64gb card, yeah? I see that the Kobo nia (N306) has 2 inkbox images (306a and 306c), how do I know which one applies to mine?

FullThrottle

Pardon the intrusion, but it would be wise to make a dd iso backup of the included SD card and then flash inkbox onto the 64gb card, yeah? I see that the Kobo nia (N306) has 2 inkbox images (306a and 306c), how do I know which one applies to mine?

Yes. Check serial number it's written somewhere on the board XXXC or XXXA

4:52 AM

Your image is too bad to read the serial

4:53 AM

The second image is a serial port, yes you can listen to boot messages and diagnose problems, but unless you are porting to a new device or debugging uboot it's not useful to you

4:54 AM

You can set up terminal access via SSH way easier

4:55 AM

Most new nias are C lately

4:57 AM

Yours looks like a C

Kuratius

Yes. Check serial number it's written somewhere on the board XXXC or XXXA

Number on the left is all numbers, no A or C Outer plastic just names it as "N306" Battery states "2022-11-03", I'm guessing it's a newer one

Check the image I sent

4:59 AM

Call it board revision idk

5:00 AM

Mine is A and it has A there in the place of C

5:00 AM

The image I sent is cropped from szybets collection of Nia c photos

5:02 AM

Surprisingly mine was only made a month before yours lol

I guess that settles it, mine is likely a C model Were I to use an A image, doing a board swap with this first would make it feasible, right? https://handeltheke.de/original-kobo-nia-n306-mainboard-motherboard-37nb-e60u20-4a2

Original Kobo Nia N306 Mainboard Motherboard 37NB-E60U20+4A2 | Hand...

Original Kobo Nia N306 Mainboard Motherboard 37NB-E60U20+4A2

yes if the screen is compatible

Hi i am finally trying to install koreader on my kobo

11:50 AM

I have a zip file. I must unzip it in the apps directory, am i right?

11:51 AM

Also I have a feedback to give. If the inkbox reader will never be as good as koreader, why isn't koreader the default one. It would be waaaay more user friendly i guess?

Marzagheddon

I have a zip file. I must unzip it in the apps directory, am i right?

in a correct way, yes

Marzagheddon

Also I have a feedback to give. If the inkbox reader will never be as good as koreader, why isn't koreader the default one. It would be waaaay more user friendly i guess?

we I have written a new one that is ready in 60%, koreader is just a replacement until we finish it (edited)

Nice to hear that. Now i'll install and eventually donate if i'm satisfied

for any problems you need to update ipd and user apps service in rootfs bla bla bla koreader is supported in the latest dev version of inkbox bla bla bla

And the books must be in the .database directory even if i open them with koreader or is it another directory?

if you dont update they need to be in .apps-data/koreader

11:58 AM

if you update they can be where they are, koreader will have access

Szybet

for any problems you need to update ipd and user apps service in rootfs bla bla bla koreader is supported in the latest dev version of inkbox bla bla bla

W8 wat i didn't read this in the wiki, what's ipd

inkbox power daemon

11:59 AM

a fun thingy that manages sleeping

Damn, i'll probably w8 for that new release

11:59 AM

I'm not that pro

a bit of linux and help and you could figure out updating it

11:59 AM

manually

11:59 AM

next release will be next summer, propably

W8 if i install now the dev version i get the keylogger too

bruh that was a joke

Ah ok lol

12:01 PM

I thought it was a legit keylogger for debugging

its not a ready yet program that if you accept, will send us data about the version you use because we dont know how many users we have

So, i have to install the dev version of inkbox. Then the koreader app and then?

you can install koreader now but there can be issues

12:02 PM

or there can be none

12:02 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ok, let me try koreader in the current non dev version...

I don't see the koreader app when i reboot

12:42 PM

When i unzip koreader_inkbox.zip it creates a folder with another folder within with all the files inside. What should i copy? The first folder, the second folder or the files?

on #apps is a conversation about that

Koreader crashes at startup

1:17 PM

So to have it working now i should? Install the dev version of inkbox and do it all again? Also how to get the dev version (edited)

Szybet

we I have written a new one that is ready in 60%, koreader is just a replacement until we finish it (edited)

Also, why just don't make Koreader the default one

Marzagheddon

Koreader crashes at startup

any logs?

Marzagheddon

Also, why just don't make Koreader the default one

it doesnt integrate well into our software

1:27 PM

and we can create something different

Szybet

any logs?

How to? It displays some crash infos on the display but it's written veeery small

make a picture and read it out

1:34 PM

Nice to have, screenshot feature lol

there is but via ssh shell

1:35 PM

well what device do you have

N905c

1:37 PM

I'm having lunch, going afk

https://github.com/Szybet/koreader-inkbox/blob/ec015f75d3cdb3853b0a3fc5044d6355693fd92d/koreader/frontend/device/kobo/device.lua#L1688 inkbox propably uses some weird device naming for this model or the model number is not implemented you can kindly ask @tux-linux to fix that its just about adding / changing the env variable to match the model

1:42 PM

what is here written?

It's supposed to be trilogy

1:47 PM

And koreader should handle it I have no idea why it doesn't work

it is trilogy

1:48 PM

the code number is wrong

1:48 PM

w h y ?

What code number

product_id

1:48 PM

to be exact

What is it

https://github.com/Szybet/koreader-inkbox/blob/ec015f75d3cdb3853b0a3fc5044d6355693fd92d/koreader/frontend/device/kobo/device.lua#L1109

koreader-inkbox/koreader/frontend/device/kobo/device.lua at ec015f7...

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Hm, maybe some problems can arise with that file

MODEL_NUMBER?

1:50 PM

whatever, you fix that

1:55 PM

or someone else

1:55 PM

like someone with kobo trilogy

1:56 PM

Szybet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Device id 05C

2:22 PM

It's missing a 9

2:23 PM

Lua 1688

will look into it

Wifi doesn't seem to work when I press on any of them: I press on the one corresponding to my wifi (or any other, really) and nothing happens only the refresh, not/wifi off, bug report, wifi check mark, scrollbar and return button works Device is a Kobo Nia, how do I go about making it work? (edited)

do you click the arrow

4:31 AM

oh

4:31 AM

@Szybet

4:32 AM

theres supposed to be an arrow in the place of the scrollbar

4:32 AM

but somehow it isnt there

4:32 AM

try getting in a place where you have poorer reception (like in a basement), maybe the networks list will be smaller and there won't be a scrollbar

4:33 AM

but this should really be fixed

tux-linux

try getting in a place where you have poorer reception (like in a basement), maybe the networks list will be smaller and there won't be a scrollbar

I'm afraid that won't be possible (living in apartments), though I could probably fashion a Faraday cage by holding the Nia in a chip bag and having the open end facing and being right next to my router

Yes, or a metal box I have another idea

4:51 AM

you can install ITerm and connect to wifi from command line

4:52 AM

or connect usbnet and connect via command line with ssh

4:53 AM

is your device rooted

tux-linux

is your device rooted

Device is unrooted (as far as I'm aware), I just installed the image from here: http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/n306c/ And then flashed it to my 64gb microSD from Balena on my Linux desktop

ok do you have access to a linux pc

5:09 AM

oh yes

5:09 AM

ok

5:09 AM

didnt read correctly

5:11 AM

do the following:

mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt
mount /mnt/recoveryfs.squashfs /mnt1
dd if=/mnt1/opt/recovery/restore/zImage-root of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=81920
echo rooted | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 seek=79872
umount /mnt1 /mnt
eject /dev/mmcblk0

5:11 AM

where mmcblk0 is the sd card's device node

5:11 AM

it should then be rooted

5:13 AM

also, enable usbnet:

mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt
echo true > /mnt/flags/USBNET_ENABLE

Alright, I'll turn off my device, pop the SD out, put the card in a usb 3.0 card reader and then will run those

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btw, when I run sudo fdisk-l I get the following:


Disk /dev/sda: 58.24 GiB, 62534975488 bytes, 122138624 sectors
Disk model: STORAGE DEVICE  
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0xc9dd5cc0

Device     Boot   Start      End  Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sda1         49152    79871    30720   15M 83 Linux
/dev/sda2        104448  1128447  1024000  500M 83 Linux
/dev/sda3       1128448  1390591   262144  128M 83 Linux
/dev/sda4       1390592 31116287 29725696 14.2G 83 Linux
[floofer@gamingdesktop ~]$

(edited)

looks ok i think did you resize the last partition? (edited)

tux-linux

looks ok i think did you resize the last partition? (edited)

I don't believe so I just popped my sd, and ran balena with the .img file now I'm just seeing what to substitute in the above commands so /dev/mmcblk0 == /dev/sda /dev/mmcblk0p1 == /dev/sda1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 == /dev/sda2 correct?

yes

5:36 AM

but i dont see how your 4th partition could be this large maybe it's szybet's fault

5:36 AM

@Szybet is this normal

5:37 AM

partition is 14g in size!?

I should mention that I'm using a 64gb card if that should matter

it shouldnt expand automatically

5:37 AM

normally inkbox sd cards are 4gb by default (edited)

FullThrottle

I don't believe so I just popped my sd, and ran balena with the .img file now I'm just seeing what to substitute in the above commands so /dev/mmcblk0 == /dev/sda /dev/mmcblk0p1 == /dev/sda1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 == /dev/sda2 correct?

the associations seem ok

tux-linux

the associations seem ok

thanks, I'll get to using the provided commands

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done running the commands

Cool Now reboot

it's back to inkbox

good it should export itself as a usbnet device (edited)

6:08 AM

then you do

ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1
ssh root@192.168.2.2

password is root

tux-linux

normally inkbox sd cards are 4gb by default (edited)

Balena feature?

6:20 AM

That said 64 GB and 16 GB doesn't quite match

6:20 AM

Maybe it's getting the size wrong?

6:21 AM

Or szybet expanded it to max size because nias all use 16GB SDS anyway

6:22 AM

Maybe gparted would give better info.

tux-linux

then you do

ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1
ssh root@192.168.2.2

password is root

welp, can't get to putting the password in

[floofer@gamingdesktop /]$ sudo ifconfig enp6s0 192.168.2.1
[floofer@gamingdesktop /]$ ssh root@192.168.2.2
ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.2 port 22: No route to host
[floofer@gamingdesktop /]$ ssh root@192.168.2.1
ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.1 port 22: Connection refused

tux-linux

then you do

ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1
ssh root@192.168.2.2

password is root

update: I'm in, I just had the wrong interface (inkbox gave me 2)

tux-linux

it shouldnt expand automatically

With balena it is but the partitioj is broken and cant use that size

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FullThrottle

Wifi doesn't seem to work when I press on any of them: I press on the one corresponding to my wifi (or any other, really) and nothing happens only the refresh, not/wifi off, bug report, wifi check mark, scrollbar and return button works Device is a Kobo Nia, how do I go about making it work? (edited)

@tux-linux replace the wifi name text with qlineedit

10:54 AM

it will cut the text

10:54 AM

and make it selection invisible

FullThrottle

update: I'm in, I just had the wrong interface (inkbox gave me 2)

/usr/local/bin/wifi/toggle.sh on
/usr/local/bin/wifi/connect_to_network.sh network_name network_password

Szybet

@tux-linux replace the wifi name text with qlineedit

I'm not sure I understand How will that fix the scrollbar issue

use qlineedit to show the wifi name text

1:11 PM

and dont cut the wifi name anymore

ok did you fix it in later releases?

1:11 PM

or not yet

nope

ok

tux-linux

/usr/local/bin/wifi/toggle.sh on
/usr/local/bin/wifi/connect_to_network.sh network_name network_password

my password has some spaces in it, would I do something like this?

/usr/local/bin/wifi/connect_to_network.sh network_name 'this is my network password'

edit: nevermind, I got a dhcp lease (edited)

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I came here to try inkbox on my kobo touch (n905b) (github link was broken). Best regards.

Thanks But what do you mean by "github link was broken"?

precompiled binary link( http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/ )

oh yes, i had a problem with updating that server it should be back up in the next days try this link instead http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/bundles/inkbox/native/n905b/inkbox-2.0-n905b.xz

thank you. That helps a lot.

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kagura1050(ja)(using translator)

thank you. That helps a lot.

InkBoxは縦書きを表示できないんですが、ふりがなはkoreaderで使えます。 (日本語の勉強は趣味だから日本語の本で使ってみました。） (edited)

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Use koreader on inkboxOS (edited)

1:27 AM

Don't use the inkbox reader for now

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I think it's in-progress, ask tux (edited)

1:58 AM

He started this week

1:58 AM

Or the week before idk

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11:09 AM

if someone is willing to replace xorg with wayland and xwayland - feel free to do it but im sure me and tux linux wont do that - ever

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once i try to download InkBox images from http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/ , file not found errors are encountered. Any idea where to download th eimages. I have bricked my N905 Kobo.

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Subhaniminhas

once i try to download InkBox images from http://23.163.0.39/bundles/inkbox/native/ , file not found errors are encountered. Any idea where to download th eimages. I have bricked my N905 Kobo.

3:25 PM

try to find the alternative download link

3:25 PM

maybe "mirror" :)?

Yes, the default website should be back up soon

Mirror is also not working, but found images here http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/bundles/inkbox/native/n905b/inkbox-2.0-n905b.xz Mentioned by @tux-linux Thanks for great work. Let's hope my Kobo revives from dead. Do I need a 4gb card for Inkbox 2.0 or 2gb will do?

Not working? That is the mirror Are the links wrong

SubhaniMinhas

Mirror is also not working, but found images here http://pkgs-inkbox.duckdns.org:25560/bundles/inkbox/native/n905b/inkbox-2.0-n905b.xz Mentioned by @tux-linux Thanks for great work. Let's hope my Kobo revives from dead. Do I need a 4gb card for Inkbox 2.0 or 2gb will do?

4

they work

Ok

3:29 PM

just that

3:29 PM

you are the first person here that was stopped by this message...

Me too. Same message. Tried to download but stopped and failed on Windows 11, Using default browser..

right click and click allow download

3:30 PM

if thats not how it works, use a normal browser like firefox

Yes, I think that must be an issue. However, alternate download link by @tux-linux is working. Now need to purchase a 4gb card. Then let's see if Kobo is back or not. Again greatly appreciate all the hard , selfless work. Love the idea and community. (edited)

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do you have the n905c or n905b? the images are different depending on the revision

Don't know exactly, will try both

SubhaniMinhas

Don't know exactly, will try both

try the wrong one, brick your device

not brick

4:56 PM

burn down

4:56 PM

brick is software

hardware brick exists

its not a brick then

5:00 PM

its a damaged device

5:00 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(electronics)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(electronics)

5:00 PM

wikipedia is on your side

5:00 PM

but i dont accept it anyway

So I mounted the Kobo to my PC, dropped a .Epub file and a .pdf file, safely ejected the Kobo and inkbox doesn't seem to detect the two files How do I go about loading books and datasheets?

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FullThrottle

So I mounted the Kobo to my PC, dropped a .Epub file and a .pdf file, safely ejected the Kobo and inkbox doesn't seem to detect the two files How do I go about loading books and datasheets?

hm you got root iirc?

5:16 AM

rm /data/onboard/.database/LocalLibrary.db then you can click the button with the power icon on the main screen and click "Restart InkBox"

5:16 AM

and wait some time

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tux-linux

rm /data/onboard/.database/LocalLibrary.db then you can click the button with the power icon on the main screen and click "Restart InkBox"

I'm getting this error:


kobo:~# rm /data/onboard/.database/LocalLibrary.db
rm: cannot remove '/data/onboard/.database/LocalLibrary.db': No such file or directory

this tells me it never created a LocalLibrary.db file do I just touch LocalLibrary.db ? or is there a script I can manually run to create/populate this file?

FullThrottle

I'm getting this error:


kobo:~# rm /data/onboard/.database/LocalLibrary.db
rm: cannot remove '/data/onboard/.database/LocalLibrary.db': No such file or directory

this tells me it never created a LocalLibrary.db file do I just touch LocalLibrary.db ? or is there a script I can manually run to create/populate this file?

Weird...

12:20 AM

Ryn service restart inkbox-gui and gather logs

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hello gentlemen

3:09 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/discussions/65 i posted a question on your guys's github, its pretty a pretty silly one (but i gave you 5 dollars plz be nice) Happy to see you guys have a discord

r/explainlikei'mfive Why cant I run InkBox on a tablet that are not...

Hello! I know this is a pretty dumb question, but i have virtually no experience with operating systems and what they require. My main goal for this question is to possibly get a quick rundown of w...

welcome

3:37 PM

#bot look there up as for this issue, TLDR: we will anwer when we have time

3:37 PM

the answer will be long ;)

x_x rip

3:38 PM

i was looking through the channels and it seems the head hancho has a boox too

3:38 PM

which gives me hope

3:39 PM

but sure ill look through the channel. Thank you guys for working on this even though i dont have a kobo

3:39 PM

i was looking online and the other open source os fread seems to have died

3:40 PM

the dude working on it doesnt update his github anymore

all of them are dead

thats really sad

3:43 PM

but you guys arent

3:43 PM

ITS SICK!

3:43 PM

very cool, gets me excited

@Oyku I answered your question on GH (edited)

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Szybet

Ryn service restart inkbox-gui and gather logs

what command would I use exactly? I tried the following:

kobo:/# service restart inkbox-gui 
 * service: service

restart' does not exist kobo:/# `

service inkbox_gui restart

5:17 PM

or you can use my shortcut (edited)

5:17 PM

restart inkbox_gui

5:17 PM

also you need to echo true > /boot/flags/GUI_DEBUG

I was able to do both, here's what I got so far:

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/How-to-dissasembly-the-device%3F

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click the library button

sure, lemme unplug the kobo first (it stays on the usb connected screen otherwise)

Szybet

click the library button

just gives me a "wifi error" (able to connect to wifi via cli, but it doesn't seem to be persistent when the device isn't tethered, otherwise unable to connect to wifi from device due to gui issues)

FullThrottle

just gives me a "wifi error" (able to connect to wifi via cli, but it doesn't seem to be persistent when the device isn't tethered, otherwise unable to connect to wifi from device due to gui issues)

what are you talking about

5:46 PM

library

5:46 PM

not online library

5:46 PM

the button on the left

5:46 PM

and then read logs

Szybet

the button on the left

I'm not sure what button you're referring to, all I have is text on a terminal

FullThrottle

So I mounted the Kobo to my PC, dropped a .Epub file and a .pdf file, safely ejected the Kobo and inkbox doesn't seem to detect the two files How do I go about loading books and datasheets?

this one

thanks, it now shows my documents

we didnt fixed anything

6:14 PM

i just wanted logs

6:14 PM

but whatever

6:14 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Szybet

we didnt fixed anything

we still got an improvement from where we started off from, so that's still a win now it basically gets a lobotomy anytime I try to open an ebook

I guess I'll have to scp files over to it and run restart inkbox_gui for now

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Hi! I ordered a Nia and I am looking forward to install inkbox on it

1:05 PM

I'd like to add fonts to the device is that possible?

Not really, sorry Which font would you have liked to add (edited)

Opendyslexic

Hmm We should include it by default

that'd be nice (edited)

But currently not any way to easily modify built-in fonts

1:11 PM

Once you receive it come back and maybe we can figure out something

I am familiar with embedded linux development, is the image signed in any way? Otherwise I could put it on before flashing it, or does it also need a sw change?

Yes, it is signed

1:13 PM

But you can install a developer key that makes the system more permissive

Sounds like worth a try. Anyway I will get back once I get it and I am happy to test any preliminary version

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Thanks for your interest

thanks for all your work

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lol.

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@tux-linux ok got the device

7:36 PM

7:38 PM

it is labelled N306 (that's a bit hard to read on the pic

open the insides, then i can tell you which revision is it

is there a trick to that?

look up yt / ifixit / guides

8:05 PM

How to dissasembly the device?

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

8:05 PM

i created a guide

8:05 PM

forgot about it ;p

heh thanks

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ok I need to get some proper tools first

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hello

ok, I got the device activated without an account installed the opendyslexic font for the kid and put a name tag in the screensaver. at least that thing is good to go for tomorrow. I need to get sprucers from the hack space but that is less urgent now...

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hello

8:37 PM

what is the situation for pw3?

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Hey hey! I just found out about InkBox and was interested in getting a Kobo to flash InkBox on. Was specifically looking at the Clara HD model and read the github issue thread. Is there anything else remaining that would be blocking support for it?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4387514&postcount=102

MobileRead Forums - View Single Post - InkBox: a new open-source O...

MobileRead - the resource for mobile geeks seeking information and advice for keeping their gadgets happy.

Wow thank you and it was posted only a few weeks ago. Perfect timing!

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If you get a Clara HD and it's the C model, you are out of luck though

ok good to know

11:22 PM

Thank you for working on a project like this. I really appreciate it!

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Is there a way easily find the model number when purchasing a Clara HD?

no

11:47 PM

i dont think so

Ok will gamble to get the right one!

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quick question: since my Kobo nia sets itself as an interface (enp8s0f3u1) I can ssh into and no longer as a usb mass storage device, what directory would I have so scp books and .pdf files to? and since I can get it to connect to wifi via command line (though doesn't stay persistent once untethered from pc), is there a way to just load a wpa_supplicant file that tells it to just connect to either home wifi or my phone's hotspot (similar procedure to a raspberry pi I guess)? (edited)

/data/onboard/

2:06 PM

you could retinker it to work like that

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4:17 AM

hello

heyyy

4:20 AM

im here from one of the mobileread threads on Kobox

4:21 AM

did you guys ever try eink-vnc i don't have any kobo devices but was curious if it performed as advertised

apparently it works like crap

4:22 AM

on the nia at least

4:22 AM

on the libra 2 it seems to be fine

4:22 AM

but @Szybet has tried it and he finds it really bad

4:22 AM

(he has a nia)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzl7wBZpc2U szybet wrote his hown vnc thingy that's apparently better

@Szybet's screen mirroring application for InkBox

yes

4:23 AM

it's not vnc

4:23 AM

but

4:23 AM

yea

4:23 AM

it's basically just transferring pngs over local network

4:23 AM

which is also bad

4:23 AM

but he didn't have the time to optimize it

what happens if you use mpi

also it's reasonably fast

ahhh i see...

Kuratius

what happens if you use mpi

what is that

tux-linux

what is that

software library for doing cluster computing where you need to serialize and send large matrices

hm

4:25 AM

do you think it would be better?

probably better than sending pngs probably because you can just send the framebuffer

4:25 AM

depends on whether compression is wortwhile

it could also be optimized with xdamage or smth so it updates only the parts that changed on the screen

Kuratius

depends on whether compression is wortwhile

probably not worth it on kobo

4:25 AM

too slow

I'd also look into whether proper video codecs can work

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4:26 AM

like moonlight and whatnot

tux-linux

it could also be optimized with xdamage or smth so it updates only the parts that changed on the screen

but at this point I think you're just basically reimplementing vnc

there are video codecs that run on the nintendo ds

4:26 AM

so something can probably work on a kobo

doesn't that thing have a gpu

sort of, but I think it's limited to very specific functions

4:27 AM

like triangle related stuff

so no video decoding thing

instead of being a collection of multi purpose processors

4:27 AM

so it's a sort of vector unit thingy

ok

just curious, what's the closest to a usable eink "monitor" you've seen besides $700+ dasung, boox etc

I'm not saying you cant figure out how to do video decoding with it, I'm just saying it's probably painful

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Kuratius

I'm not saying you cant figure out how to do video decoding with it, I'm just saying it's probably painful

my point is that there's no gpu on kobo

4:29 AM

probably

cake

just curious, what's the closest to a usable eink "monitor" you've seen besides $700+ dasung, boox etc

kindle pw3

https://melonds.kuribo64.net/comments.php?id=56

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tux-linux

kindle pw3

kindlevncviewer? or..

= me doing inkbox programming in a car with an rpi that has a hotspot and a local network

cake

kindlevncviewer? or..

yes, iirc

damn wtf

this device is now bricked but whatever

4:30 AM

not because of it

https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-docs/wiki/Setup-Guide I think moonlight supports cpu decoding

Setup Guide

Moonlight Documentation. Contribute to moonlight-stream/moonlight-docs development by creating an account on GitHub.

nice

so I could probably try it on my pmOS install if I wanted

cake

damn wtf

also, nice thing: it runs on 12v car power so no battery needed unlimited runtime

4:31 AM

except when you power off the car when you go to a gas station hehe

tux-linux

this device is now bricked but whatever

the fuck did you do

bad things

ooh it's a kindle

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/969796678678876280/970107434209280070

wasn't there a lot of ghosting even for text editing i tried kindlevncviewer but it was flickering like crazy

it was not too bad iirc

4:33 AM

i mean, not too bad for a screen like this

cake

wasn't there a lot of ghosting even for text editing i tried kindlevncviewer but it was flickering like crazy

flickering is not ghosting

4:34 AM

the flickering is a screen driver thing to prevent ghosting

my bad : )))

tux-linux

Click to see attachment 🖼️

inkbox has some vnc viewer

4:34 AM

it's not that good

I still think some of the issues with the screen refreshes are probably screen driver related, like it chooses how to refresh based on the diff between before and after refresh (edited)

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4:36 AM

so if you update more than x pixels or if you update pixels by more than a certain amount it will do full refreshes for partial regions or the entire screen

tux-linux

Well now I have a more portable PC! ;p

also this

Kuratius

so if you update more than x pixels or if you update pixels by more than a certain amount it will do full refreshes for partial regions or the entire screen

yea but i think that can mostly be controlled in software (edited)

4:39 AM

also, writing docs with vim on a kobo touch n905b+rpi+vnc

4:39 AM

this was sometimes horrible

4:40 AM

this was when I had a laptop but the battery was dead so it worked only on ac power

4:40 AM

so i relied on rpi to get things done on the road

4:40 AM

it works... sort of real inkbox code has been written from an ereader

4:41 AM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/commit/df5791ce44edfc74d76f64db2b8259a84bec75a9 cf. message from this commit

4:42 AM

i used to stick the kobo to the deck with some blue tack

4:42 AM

nostalgic times (edited)

you made that project at 18 that's super impressive wtf

i started at 15

4:44 AM

now im 18

4:44 AM

school was too boring back then

4:44 AM

i guess

4:45 AM

first inkbox release was in march 2021 i was in mid-high school

kobo needs to hire you man they could use your help

im not sure the code i write is not that good

4:45 AM

i mean, by standards and practices

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@tux-linux Mirror is not working Bot is not working Link for the glo on the website is wrong, for the mirror

@tux-linux why the fuck i dont have access to inkbox github wiki via locally pushing files

12:40 PM

jdfcaskgvhnewsuiyghbeui

12:40 PM

NKJFASDBNFGIUASDBFGSIAU

12:46 PM

G I V E M E A C C E S S

12:47 PM

it is mirroring right now

Szybet

@tux-linux why the fuck i dont have access to inkbox github wiki via locally pushing files

i didnt touch the wiki at all since a year? (edited)

i dont care

2:27 PM

give me access

2:27 PM

more access

2:27 PM

make it work

add me as a full collaborator to inkbox repo

2:44 PM

i checked it, then it will work

i have added you but do not push without my permission thanks

I will make the wiki only

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3:24 PM

No time for anything else

I moved the wiki to github

6:24 PM

@tux-linux take a full sql backup of the wiki and redirect it to github from now on

I will group it some day

6:36 PM

when will matrix bridge work again?

I made a little discord dance

8:02 PM

and made some categories

8:02 PM

let me know if you like it

Ok

8:02 PM

I am trying to get matterbridge conf file back

8:03 PM

I think i said you need to back it up

it was in the server i have a backup

8:03 PM

it was in a ploop file

8:03 PM

so i have to get debian to mount it

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10:35 PM

Welcome

sounds like pikamee/henya

What

the voice

10:02 PM

vtuber thing, if you dont know ignore it

10:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t4xTKDmYcI also apparently this is the source, and they're really salty that people think it's gura xD

junkcubus

splish splosh hiii haii hey :3

Hmm

thats just a funny shark in my opinion

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inkbox is a very interesting project. respect

Thanks

some weeks ago I tested it on my N905C

10:31 PM

tomorrow I will try it on a kobo glo HD. I just saw that the links are not working on the webpage, but I could access it via IP

Try the mirror

10:34 PM

It will be working again soon

fine thanks!

10:35 PM

amazing work.

Thanks for the donation!

you welcome. small contribution for server expenses or a coffee&cake

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Why does your name say something to me

M5 stack ?

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https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader/issues/24

Support OPDS · Issue #24 · kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

Hi, Please support OPDS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Publication_Distribution_System OPDS is the best way for an interconnected E-Reader with its own servers, its own Small Data, its own Per...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Publication_Distribution_System

Open Publication Distribution System

The Open Publication Distribution System (OPDS) catalog format is a syndication format for electronic publications based on Atom and HTTP. OPDS catalogs enable the aggregation, distribution, discovery, and acquisition of electronic publications. OPDS catalogs use existing or emergent open standards and conventions, with a priority on simplicity....

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1. thats cool 2. instead of spamming on a dead github they could support us, or even write their own

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I am still wondering

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Hello

hello, just lurking wondering if I should get a clara 2e...

not supported

3:42 PM

you could propably eassly port it

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a similar device was already ported

Szybet

a similar device was already ported

this one? https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/934581303674798101

nope

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kobo nia model c uses an identical kernel

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niaudio keyboard dropped

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litterally

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and its gone

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I dont have time to reprint it so that's it ;p

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I wonder if someone would like to buy a 2.0 version of it in the future

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it lasted a year without problems only minor conservation was needed

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worked like a charm

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I welcome you on your journey through the internet

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I'm proud to announce the Clara HD that I got is the correct board revision. Time to test the beta image hooray!

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test

good this works

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at last

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Don't you think there are too many topics in this chat

For a discord server its a small ammount

Why if i access project gutemberg from inkbox i can see only 8 books?

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Only the latest 8 books

it is what it is

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feel free to improve it

Sry i'm no coder

if you have time, learn

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mirror is down

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this server provider is crap (edited)

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if it's debian again then im going with arch

Well, at least the other one is working

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hi! I am researching eink tablets/ereaders, I want to get one to view my PC screen with VNC. so I'm looking into what's going to do that best :) (edited)

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i'm thinking of using this: https://github.com/everydayanchovies/eink-vnc but it hasn't had any updates in 2 years, and I haven't found anyone saying if it still works or not lol

this one doesn't worked for me and won't propably work for you because I'm a inkbox developer who uses rust soo

10:53 AM

inkbox has a xorg one which you propably could figure out to make it work

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but

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you are in luck, I was bored recently!

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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358558

PC to kobo app mirroring demo - MobileRead Forums

PC to kobo app mirroring demo Kobo Developer's Corner

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzl7wBZpc2U

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This one is not using vnc protocol but a custom one, the code is shitty, it could be faster but it works like on the video ( you can choose )

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no touch too

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you could improve it yourself

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oh you were talking on #dev too

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well this allows you to mirror things from PC, you can create a virtual display for it soo

cool stuff! once i decide on what to buy i'll give it a go

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I just wanted to share something, I broke my power button on kobo nia and I'm sure someone else will as well, though it's still click able I was able to find the exact replacement model

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223L_1.pdf

1006.27 KB

dear god

9:32 PM

yea replace it

9:34 PM

is it for the nia?

Yeah

huh, cool!

10:17 PM

you can make a pull request to include this information to this repo

10:17 PM

GitHub - Szybet/niAudio: Kobo nia ereader with audio added

Kobo nia ereader with audio added. Contribute to Szybet/niAudio development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:17 PM

you could maybe even be interested in this

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it's the nia model A with audio and USB keyboard and mouse

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;)

Oooh

Bloody hell, looks like you have to order 12000 switches minimum to get that model. I think I'll live without the power button

order a broken nia?

10:32 PM

like on ebay and whatnot

Hmm that's a good idea too, though i can almost live without fixing it

look for replacement buttons

10:37 PM

it doesnt need to be the exact model

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I would just solder a tht one and rotate it ;p

There seems to be a lack of switches in that exact size 7.0x3.5

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Hey hey though it's literally still working

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I can still click it by inserting a stick inside

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BTW are you a software student? Or did u learn by diy

I'm a software student but In poland so I didn't learned shit in school, I was something teaching the IT teachers... so fully DIY

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I'm still a student if that's not clear

I see I see

nicolas, the creator of the project is one year younger than me and didn't go to a IT school so also DIY

Impressive

How do I change boot flags? Is it something to do with chroot? Squash fs?

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'Initialization process InkBox OS is probably not like your standard Linux distribution you have installed on your PC or at work. Instead of using a standard root filesystem stored as a whole in a partition, that part of the framework is in fact a SquashFS file. At boot, it gets mounted by the initrd with the script [initrd-root]/etc/init.d/overlay-mount. A special FUSE-based filesystem layer, overlayfs-fuse, permits a read-write root filesystem with the command ifsctl mnt rootfs rw. Otherwise, it is always read-only to minimize flash storage writes and extend the MMC's lifespan as much as possible. When all the initial mount process is completed, the rootfs can be chroot'ed into to run the main framework. The main partition layout looks like this: PART. NUMBER LABEL DESCRIPTION 1 boot Contains boot flags 2 recoveryfs Recovery partition used to restore InkBox OS 3 rootfs Contains the rootfs SquashFS archive + OpenSSL digest 4 user All user data, such as config options, books, InkBox Software Archives (*.isa)'

11:14 PM

I'm not sure where to look for boot

in partition 1

feel free to update the wiki on github to include information you lacked

The problem is conceptual for me, how do I find partition 1? Fdisk - l on Linux?

i prefer lsblk

Okay I think I understand, I must mount the disk first before I can access it I think but I think I just can't find the partitions on windows

use linux

11:35 PM

probably a better option

I am missing critical information, I am unable to find the partition on Linux too

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Do i connect to usb and say yes I want to manage my books

PassiveAggressor

I am missing critical information, I am unable to find the partition on Linux too

[matrix] Szybet you connect the sd card correctly?

directly?

Oh, am I supposed take the sd card out?

yes

Okay that is probably it

or root the device and do it from the inside using ssh

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via usbnet

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for most flags you need root kernel anyway

I don't have WiFi so I need usbnet to get WiFi first

then you need rooted kernel

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get into diagnostics mode and root it

Oh I didn't know realise the wiki was on github either, i see now

use only the one on github

12:04 AM

the site wiki is abandoned

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but tux-linux wont shut it down for some reason

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;-;

I don't have kernel flags in the boot folder, do I write my own? I only have the interactive ones

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Wait sorry I mean, I only have 9 flags

PassiveAggressor

I don't have kernel flags in the boot folder, do I write my own? I only have the interactive ones

[matrix] Szybet What

There r 20 flags in github but my boot only has 9

Create them

I have boost usb debug and usbnet enable set to true, is that correct? How do I proceed to usb net from there?

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I'm just not getting any boot screen

PassiveAggressor

I'm just not getting any boot screen

what

10:26 PM

have you rooted your device?

Do you mean rw rootfs?

no

10:27 PM

so you propably haven't

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you need to get into diagnostics mode

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and then click root the device

Does kobo nia support diagnostics mode?

yes

10:28 PM

Basic diagnostics kernel is not diagnostics mode

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those are 2 seperate things

Okay I see diagnostics mode, diags boot flag

yes, but that's not the only way to get there

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when you boot the device you can spam the power button with click to enter it too

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you could create a wiki page about diagnostics mode, or other things you didn't know but now know :D

Yes I will

thanks

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any contribution is welcome, we are pretty lonely here

How do I view the original source code of the kobo ereader? You must have done so to know what to do right

what... what

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How do I view the original source code of the kobo ereader? You must have done so to know what to do right

they are legally required to publish sources

no

I mean the os

10:37 PM

not the reader app

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I think that's what he means, anyway

tux-linux

no

go to #future

I mean the kobo original firmwate

what part of firmware? bootloader? kernel? reader app? background components?

Ig all of it. I saw that you can clone the sd card and read some of it, but that was from a kobo 10+ years ago

https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

GitHub - kobolabs/Kobo-Reader

Contribute to kobolabs/Kobo-Reader development by creating an account on GitHub.

the kernel and bootloader are open source because license

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the rest is not

I see

inkbox is fully open source

Did you reverse engineer the closed source parts?

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Also I am now in diagnostics mode, did I miss the usbnet window?

PassiveAggressor

Did you reverse engineer the closed source parts?

nope, it's just linux with an app so there was no need for that

PassiveAggressor

Also I am now in diagnostics mode, did I miss the usbnet window?

no, you need now to root your kernel

10:43 PM

root the device

Is this chroot?

what?

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maybe post a photo

I'm not sure how to root the device, you mean log in as root?

10:46 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/General-information#standard-and-rooted this page talks about root but doesn't say how to root the device

General information

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

10:46 PM

Inkbox OS is not rooted by default

its not

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are you in diagnostics mode?

Yes

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click reset options

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there should be something about root

I see it now thanks you, reset and root device. Okay I gotta write that down

connect your device to a charger

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it cant be discharged now

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or it will break and you will need to write the os once more

How to connect to WiFi using USBNET 1 Turn Ereader off 2 Take SD card out of ereader, connect to PC. 3 Mount the boot partition. Using either disk part on windows or on Linux by fdisk - l then sudo mount partition /mnt 4 Change boot flags, ENABLE_USBNET, DIAGS_BOOT and BOOT_USB_DEBUG to true using nano on Linux. Perhaps on Windows you may need permission to change files. 5 Put sd card back into ereader, keep it charged and reboot. Select reset options, click reset and root device. That sound about right?

looks good

After restoring is there a black screen for a while?

yep, wait 2 minutes jsut to be sure and turn it on

After reboot I am now back in inkbox OS set up mode

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Did I miss usb debug? Or do I reboot agaib

go through it

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thats fine

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then connect your usb to pc

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if no new network interfasce appearts, you will need to create the enable usbnet flag once again

Okay now there r only 7 flags but ig the diff is now device is roote fright? Do I enable boot usb debug as well? And I no longer set diags boot to true

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Since I've already rooted

no, boot usb debug is another thing

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set them to true

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only usb net

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enable

Okay I have done so but I don't think I am able to telnet still

no telnet, ssh

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first, do you see a new network interface

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are you on linux or windows?

Oh ssh right

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Both, I am using vm on windows

then you need to pass throught the usb connection to linux

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then linus should see it as a network device

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should show something new in ip a

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ip a

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then you need to set the ip address for it 192.168.2.3/24

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then ssh into 192.168.2.1

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user root

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password root

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you should be in

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good night, I can help you more tommorow

Goodnight sir I think I can finish it off

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Thank you for all

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Yea nah I couldn't figure it oht

12:11 AM

I tried ip a the sudo ip addr add 192.168.2.1 broadcast + dev enp30s sudo ip route add 192.168.2.0/24 dev enp30s

Isn't it enp3s0?

It might be bc I'm using vm idk

12:13 AM

It probably was enp3s0

12:14 AM

Enp0s3

12:17 AM

My 192.168.2.0/24 was 192.168.2.1/32 as well in ip a

PassiveAggressor

It might be bc I'm using vm idk

but the vm sees the device?

Szybet

then ssh into 192.168.2.1

no, you need to ssh to 192.168.2.2

12:26 AM

.2.2 is the kobo's ip

12:26 AM

your computer's is .2.1 or .2.3, whatever you choose

Do i connect usb and say I want to manage my books? I wonder if that's what I am doing wrong

12:45 AM

what is enx... device

Virtual network interface apparently

Ok So the device is rooted right

Are the 2 ips in this instruction supposed to be the same? From yingtongli

12:50 AM

Yes the device is rooted

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/user-applications/raw/main/download/ITerm.zip

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Download this

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Connect regular usb storage

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(the 'Connect' prompt)

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create a folder called .apps

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unzip the file in this folder

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don't create a new folder for it or anything

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then eject device, then head over to the apps tab (the grid icon with 9 dots)

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click <Launch> next to <ITerm>

Okay I'm having a new problem now, I can't even see my device anymore lol

12:56 AM

I will try that though thank you

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BTW why did u guys use qt, couldn't you have built on top of the original firmware?

1:03 AM

Or is that not possible to do because a lot is proprietary

The goal was to have an open-source os

1:07 AM

There are licensed adobe binaries in the stock os

I see

Also the stock os is hilariously outdated

1:08 AM

Even more outdated than inkbox

1:08 AM

Like, glibc from 2013

1:08 AM

We use musl from 2019-20ish

Hmm

1:10 AM

I think I see a problem why I failed earlier, when I connect usb, the virtual WiFi goes out

1:10 AM

Or at least I think that's what happened

1:14 AM

Yea I broke something, I earlier forgot to eject and unplugged now I can no longer access usb file storabe

Hm See if you can access usbnet from diags

1:21 AM

If it is rooted there will be a new option

1:21 AM

"Emergency recovery shell"

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Does e ink refresh rate depend on software? Bc e ink anchovies is 30 fps but. I thought ereader can't be fast

Depends, grey folor are very slow but black white is pretty fast Look up my demo of the vnc app, the speed there is not limited by eink Also depends on the panel technology etc

Dithering?

The process of making black and white color take shades of grey by making it balance how much of each kolor to use at subpixel level

Hmm

8:54 PM

Also okay I understand new thing usb networking disables usb storage thus I thought I broke it but no

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Also, what are 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.0 supposed to represent?

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Also also, do you know how I can install everydayanchovied e ink? There are no installation instructions, but a binary file

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Also, what are 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.0 supposed to represent?

Those are io addreses?

8:58 PM

Ip

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Also also, do you know how I can install everydayanchovied e ink? There are no installation instructions, but a binary file

What

But why are they different Ip addresses, one is for the host pc, what is the other if 192.168.2.2 is the kobo

8:58 PM

For usbnet

2.1 would be the default gateway but it doesnt exist, 2.0 means the whole network because the subnet starts at 2.1

9:00 PM

You dont need to care about it

9:00 PM

2.2 is kobo 2.3 should be you

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Does your networking work or it doesnt?

No I couldn't get it to work, possible problem may be usbnet disconnects my virtual network adapter

9:02 PM

Meaning my vm lose wifi

9:02 PM

Not sure if that was the problem or not

Idk, you should install linux bare metal

Yea also how do I install https://github.com/everydayanchovies/eink-vnc?tab=readme-ov-file on regular kobo device? Do I need compile? How do I do thag

GitHub - everydayanchovies/eink-vnc

Contribute to everydayanchovies/eink-vnc development by creating an account on GitHub.

It didnt worked for me, i doubt it will work for you

9:05 PM

You need cargo & cross & rust friends

Sigh okay

If you update the wiki with a few things you learned i could give you some commands to compile this project or guide to use my own demo id you dont care about touch

Wait first I must finish the usb net thing, tux Linux gave me an alternative, Iterm command line

9:36 PM

Since I could not figure out how to do usb networking

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Click to see attachment 🖼️

But see this where did I go wrong

tux-linux

create a folder called .apps

@tux-linux can I use the..apps folder already there? And should the file structure be. APPS-ITERM-ITERM-CONTENTS? OR ONLY one Iterm folder

PassiveAggressor

Click to see attachment 🖼️

You set the ip to the wrong interface

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/InkBox-GUI-user-apps#installation

InkBox GUI user apps

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

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@tux-linux can I use the..apps folder already there? And should the file structure be. APPS-ITERM-ITERM-CONTENTS? OR ONLY one Iterm folder

Yes, the apps folder already there

10:27 PM

Also the structure is described on the wiki

10:27 PM

@tux-linux redirect the wiki site to github wiki

Szybet

You set the ip to the wrong interface

Which interface is that?

The one that appears when you connect the ereader

10:30 PM

Check before and after connecting the device

I'm not sure what interface happens, but I've got Iterm working now

then you can try ssh root@127.0.0.1

10:33 PM

password is root

PassiveAggressor

I'm not sure what interface happens, but I've got Iterm working now

It appears

10:35 PM

Before it, it doesnt exist

Okay I am welcoming in 127 now

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Which interface do you mean?

10:37 PM

Can you show a picture

Ugh

10:38 PM

Take a picture of "ip a" before you connect the ereader to the vm and after you conmect it

10:38 PM

The difference will be the new interface

Er what package manager is there?

10:39 PM

I'm trying to get nmcli

10:40 PM

So I can connect to WiFi, because I have the WiFi name too long problem

PassiveAggressor

Er what package manager is there?

none

10:40 PM

well, kind of

10:40 PM

there are scripts to connect to wifi

10:40 PM

dont use nmcli

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/usr/local/bin/wifi/toggle.sh on

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/usr/local/bin/wifi/connect_to_network "ssid" "pass"

That script says not found

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The second one

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Ah there's no. Sh

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That's why it failed

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She's working she's alive!

10:53 PM

Okay now back to trying to do usbnet

Do what i said

I also found alternative switches for the nia of the right size and shape, incidentally though, now is 1 $ and is the exact same size and all but different colour

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https://www.digikey.co.nz/en/products/detail/c-k/KSS333G-LFG/2176565

KSS333G LFG | Digi-Key Electronics

Order today, ships today. KSS333G LFG – Tactile Switch SPST-NO Side Actuated Surface Mount, Right Angle from C&K. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.

Please save this knowledge on inkbox wiki

I has

Where?

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox/wiki/Kobo-Nia-model

Kobo Nia model

An open-source, Qt-based eBook reader for Kobos (and other devices). - Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

11:12 PM

The New interface doesn't have an up address

11:12 PM

Ip

11:13 PM

Yes, you need to set it manually

11:13 PM

And make sure your wifi manager doesnt try to reset it

sudo ip addr add 192.168.2.1 broadcast + dev enp0s20f0u2 sudo ip route add 192.168.2.0/24 dev enp0s20f0u2

11:14 PM

Are these 2 commands correct?

11:14 PM

With ep0s replaced with mibe

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Okay yes it's working now

11:16 PM

HOORAY

Good that its working, i prefer ifconfig

11:18 PM

You forgot to add the rooting part to the wiki

11:18 PM

You could also add how you managed to use usbnet

I am still typing it up

Cool

Wait when you want to tell someone to use a argument in a command, do you put it in quote marks?

11:21 PM

Like nano 'filename'

11:21 PM

Or is it just nano filenamr

" "

11:22 PM

"<filename>"

11:22 PM

also use backticks to show it's a command

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`hi`

11:23 PM

hi

Does it also implies its a string?

11:23 PM

Like "string"

i don't know

11:23 PM

left to your interpretation

Ask chatpgt

Okay bc for me when I see it I'm not sure if I'm supposed to include the quote marks or not

11:34 PM

The part about file structure can be removed, its describrf in another wiki

11:34 PM

Remove the note about ssid and just put them inside <>

Ppl like me probably won't read the entire wiki, and ppl may not know that "ssid" thing

Okay sure

Am I able to edit boot flags from inside the kobo? Also for the vnc server, I can only see part of the screen, is the way to scale down the image on the server side or client side+ can it go landscape?

Yes

Via shell, look to /boot/flags

/boot

As for vnc idk

Nothing for vnc i think

Okay thanks I will add that you can edit boot flags with Iterm then

In regular shell via ssh too

11:41 PM

Like via wifi

11:41 PM

as for vnc, look for other app alternatives

Wdym?

11:45 PM

App alternayive

11:46 PM

Goys goys goys did u know u can use kobo without the battery??

11:46 PM

Such a good way preserve battery life!!

11:46 PM

Can even take out the battery and instead use battery bank...!!!

Dont do it

PassiveAggressor

App alternayive

The one you sended or my demo app

Szybet

Dont do it

For electronical reasons, dont

Don't do which one?

Without battery

Why not usb is around 4 to 5v and the battery is also 4.2v

11:49 PM

In fact, when you plug USB in, the same thing is still happening right?

Nope, nope, nope its about power delivery not voltage

11:49 PM

The tldr is usb has a limit on power delivery and your device can shut off if it wont receive enough power

11:49 PM

Or even something worse can happen

11:50 PM

When the usb is plugged in it mostly uses usb power and then if it neexs the battery, so you are not draining the battery anyway

Hmm I see

11:51 PM

As for everyday vnc anchovy, I see it already been compiled

11:51 PM

In releases

its probably not compatible with inkbox

11:52 PM

we dont use glibc as the main libc

11:52 PM

maybe you can get it to work with some hacking

11:52 PM

but provided you have a kobo nia, it's most probably useless to try

The rust one?

U r nima right?

11:54 PM

https://www.mobileread.com/forums//showthread.php?t=348481

A true VNC viewer (client) for Kobo - MobileRead Forums

A true VNC viewer (client) for Kobo Kobo Developer's Corner

Yes he is

Interesting project, interesting video. I will probably adapt this for InkBox OS as an user app (https://inkbox.ddns.net/wiki/index.p..._GUI_user_apps) Great work! __

port never happened

This one doesnt work as i already explained

Also are you related to nijule?

no

Is the username default generated?

~~He is his son~~

NO?

PassiveAggressor

Is the username default generated?

no

Cargo and rust one?

Yes it doesnt work

Not on inkbox but on default firmware as well?

Yep

11:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzl7wBZpc2U

@Szybet's screen mirroring application for InkBox

11:56 PM

This is my demo app

Your one intentionally has no instructions too

Its a demo

11:57 PM

The code is bad and not optimised

11:57 PM

It is manually runned

11:57 PM

Hard coded

11:58 PM

I didnt had time to finish it

11:58 PM

You can finish it ;p

U wrote its for developers only

11:58 PM

I know a little bit of coding

11:58 PM

But it's python I know

PassiveAggressor

U wrote its for developers only

Not on this one, but its still a demo only

11:59 PM

Learn rust and c++

Also how do I learn like hardware software interaction? Like I just don't know what it is like how you would connect to WiFi firmware

11:59 PM

Hardware I meab

11:59 PM

Architecture maybe the word idk

First learn how to code, then learn how the code works

12:00 AM

Anyway, goodnight

Okay good night thanks yall

12:01 AM

There's learning to code, like just purely the syntax and then there's the rest eh, like the relationship between code and hardware etc. I am only done tbe syntax bit

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There's learning to code, like just purely the syntax and then there's the rest eh, like the relationship between code and hardware etc. I am only done tbe syntax bit

it's already good

What is already good?

syntax

Like it's speaking a language but not knowing what to use it for. You must know the words open sesame to open the magic, but where do you use it? With whom? Where do I find the gates yknow

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/usr/local/bin/wifi/toggle.sh if you want the simplest example with wifi this is the script that toggles interfaces on or off

rootfs/usr/local/bin/wifi/toggle.sh at master · Kobo-InkBox/rootfs

InkBox OS root filesystem. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/rootfs development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ooh okay I know what o mean now

12:17 AM

She'll is high lvl scripting right? I mean idk how low level works

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/rootfs/blob/master/usr/local/bin/generate_system_report.sh

rootfs/usr/local/bin/generate_system_report.sh at master · Kobo-Ink...

InkBox OS root filesystem. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/rootfs development by creating an account on GitHub.

PassiveAggressor

She'll is high lvl scripting right? I mean idk how low level works

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init/blob/main/init.c this is pretty low-level

inkbox-os-init/init.c at main · Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init

InkBox OS' initialization program source. Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/inkbox-os-init development by creating an account on GitHub.

12:18 AM

it's the init program

Hmm I don't rmemeber what c syntax is like. Void is one the 6 types of variables right? Main is the main function

12:19 AM

Int main void

probably

12:20 AM

i learned it myself so sometimes i can say wrong things

Hmm wait back to everydayanchovies thing, szybet said it needs rust and cargo, but it seems that rust and cargo are built into the vnc compiled file

12:21 AM

When you guys say it doesn't work, do you mean it doesn't work at all?

12:21 AM

That nobody else apart from the creator got it working

Marzagheddon

Only the latest 8 books

btw

4:45 AM

you can search the whole gutenberg catalog and download books from it (edited)

4:45 AM

click on the search button in the home screen

4:46 AM

and select "Online library" in the options chooser

4:46 AM

you're welcome (edited)

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Hellooo, I wanted to thank you for making this project a reality! It's really cool to see something so polished for the e-reader (I found for 50c in a thriftstore, as they thought it was a picture frame)

lol lucky you

3:49 PM

it's not polished

3:49 PM

it's usable

3:51 PM

Hello

3:51 PM

wrong order ;p

3:52 PM

You are an artist, hmmm - We are looking for a logo for this project. If you are interested, check out #future

Was the WiFi issue fixed?

9:24 PM

Do i have to manually edit wpa supplicant

9:31 PM

Also the vnc viewer crashes after a few seconds of use, is that normal

9:32 PM

Also is the kobo firmware Og gui open source?

9:52 PM

User friendly experience should have an asterisk for now

PassiveAggressor

Was the WiFi issue fixed?

Yes, what device?

PassiveAggressor

Do i have to manually edit wpa supplicant

Propably not???

PassiveAggressor

Also the vnc viewer crashes after a few seconds of use, is that normal

What error? Anything?

PassiveAggressor

Also is the kobo firmware Og gui open source?

No... There is a reason we are here

So how did nickel menu get added to the original firmware?

PassiveAggressor

User friendly experience should have an asterisk for now

I agree

PassiveAggressor

So how did nickel menu get added to the original firmware?

WIZARDS AND ASSEMBLY REVERSE ENGINEERING, THIS IS SOME REALLY SCARY THINGS

Szybet

Yes, what device?

Nia, when I use the connect_to_network shell script, it says wpa supplicant something but when I check etc/wpa_supp it is empty, and I did make sure to make rootfs read write

Etc wpa supp doesnt matter

9:58 PM

Which nia

9:58 PM

What wifi problems do you exactly have

Szybet

What error? Anything?

I can't tell, the vnc viewer seems to be problematic because you can get stuck on a black screen forever, and j I have no power button. How do I see if there is an error? Do I boot into diagnostics.

9:59 PM

So after I reboot I gave to manually connect to WiFi agaib

9:59 PM

Using iterm

9:59 PM

Remember my WiFi names are too long so I can't connect using the buttons

Ssh from your pc into the ereader

9:59 PM

Which nia

9:59 PM

A or c?

Model a

Xorg is experimental, keep that in mind

Szybet

Ssh from your pc into the ereader

And run watch date, if it freezes then its a wifi issue

10:00 PM

If not, its a xorg issue

Is xorg the vnc?

Vnc uses xorg, yes

So I will:connect to WiFi using script, then ssh into PC xrun watch date then wait?

Then launch vnc

Wait hold on the vnc is a separate issue

10:04 PM

It crashes after I move the mouse and click it seems

10:04 PM

Either that or jt just crashes after a few seconds

What does crash mean

10:05 PM

Black screen?

No frozen forever, must reboot L L

Check if its the wifi issue, do what i said

Also the browser keyboard likes to flash

10:09 PM

Whereas other guickeyboard dont

10:13 PM

Failed to get dhcp lease how do I quit

10:13 PM

Control c won't stop the script

Watch date

10:21 PM

Keeps refresh gin

10:22 PM

Tue Feb 13 21 21 48 UTC 2024, wrong time

10:24 PM

Sigh how do I exit out of vnc server from the kobo

PassiveAggressor

Control c won't stop the script

many ctrl c

PassiveAggressor

Sigh how do I exit out of vnc server from the kobo

idk

Rn I'm stuck on a black screen with no way to end vnc

10:28 PM

Okay I reboot from ssh

10:28 PM

Time to start again

10:28 PM

Error code 6

okay lets conclude this vnc sucks

10:37 PM

do you need touch with your vnc?

No

10:38 PM

Also I'm now stuck

10:38 PM

Please enter the password for the

10:39 PM

And I can't type anything,

10:39 PM

So what about the WiFi not remembering itself issue?

PassiveAggressor

So what about the WiFi not remembering itself issue?

what do you mean

PassiveAggressor

No

okay then, let's go with my vnc

Every reboot I must log in to WiFi again

thats normal

10:42 PM

its an ereader, wifi takes battery

10:43 PM

you can create an openrc service to log you in

10:43 PM

btw you can use usbnet? no need for wifi

10:43 PM

for my vnc you need linux, i think its time to install it bare metal?

Sigh I used to have Ubuntu installed but I got rid of it cuz I never used it

10:46 PM

Btw

10:46 PM

Does fbink do partial refresh?

yes it can

PassiveAggressor

Sigh I used to have Ubuntu installed but I got rid of it cuz I never used it

welp what can i say, maybe wsl?

Did nijule reverse engineer or was that part of the open source

windows subsystem for linux

10:47 PM

reverse engineered and just looked at the driver code that was available

10:48 PM

pray to the wizards for the tools they enable us to use

Okay wdym Windows subsystem for linux

10:49 PM

Download it okay got it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux

Windows Subsystem for Linux

Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) is a feature of Windows that allows developers to run a Linux environment without the need for a separate virtual machine or dual booting. There are two versions of WSL: WSL 1 and WSL 2. WSL 1 was first released on August 2, 2016, and acts as a compatibility layer for running Linux binary executables (in ELF for...

10:50 PM

maybe it could run my app

I'll etch a boot able sd card

what?

Could you write the instructions in the meantime

for what do you need a sd card

I'll get a boot able Linux

10:51 PM

I don't have a usb

10:51 PM

So I must use an sd card

to do what?

10:52 PM

Qt:

kobo-screen-mirror-reverse

37.1 KB

10:52 PM

host:

mir_kobo_host

7.25 MB

10:53 PM

kobo backend:

mir_kobo_kobo_reverse_backend

2.04 MB

Compile qt and then put under apps folder?

nope

10:54 PM

completly nope

Szybet

to do what?

.

To install the vnc app

10:54 PM

Or is it not a vnc app

10:55 PM

Can you write an overview of what to do bc it'll take a while to install Linux

10:55 PM

Actually ill just use a Linux vm

then you will mirror the linux vm

10:56 PM

its not vnc, its bare

Wdym, it's not the vnc protocol just a bare mirror

bare mirror but made in a stupid way, its a demo for something greater later

10:58 PM

you need the scrot screenshot tool and convert command from image magick in your liunx vm

Hey!

10:58 PM

Wait Ive already used scrot

10:58 PM

Tux Linux wrote one using gnome screen shot

10:58 PM

And I changed it to scrot

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Is it that one?

nope, its fully mine

10:59 PM

its just so stupid it takes ss

So it takes SS, then fbink ss

like i said, demo

10:59 PM

its more complicated than that

10:59 PM

but yes

Framebuffer

nope

11:02 PM

still complicated than that

11:02 PM

learn to code then i will start explaining

11:03 PM

you need to connect through usbnet

I mean I know some python

your vm

11:04 PM

learn rust and c++

11:04 PM

after you learn a second language it will be just a tool you will use

11:04 PM

language is not important, it's just a tool

Er what do I do with the qt file

11:04 PM

Yea ur right

11:04 PM

I only know the language, not how to use it

here is the problem

11:06 PM

well anyway

11:06 PM

open 2 terminals

11:06 PM

ssh into the kobo from them

11:06 PM

in one run chroot /kobo

11:06 PM

also first copy the qt file into /kobo/

11:07 PM

then

11:07 PM

then

Apps folder or nk

nope

11:08 PM

scp

11:08 PM

via ssh the file

11:08 PM

directly to /kobo folder

Ah there's no kobo folder anyway I see

ssh into the device

11:10 PM

SSH

11:10 PM

get a shell

11:10 PM

there is a kobo folder

11:11 PM

env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/onboard/.adds/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo/lib QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo ./thisappqt

11:11 PM

thats how you launch the qt app

11:11 PM

before it kill inkbox with killall inkbox inkbox-bin

Szybet

thats how you launch the qt app

after executing chroot

11:12 PM

then in the second terminal execute the kobo backend, you need in it adjust arguments about ip address to your pc

11:12 PM

it should work

11:12 PM

you propably need to rotate the screen via echo 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/rotate something like that, maybe its 0 2 3 not 1, you need to try a few times

11:13 PM

thats it

Ah kill all inkbox that's how I could have ended the vnc

11:14 PM

Wait no

11:14 PM

Vnc was a qt

nope

11:15 PM

nope

11:15 PM

nope

11:15 PM

you could look up htop what vnc process is and kill it there

I tried ps

11:15 PM

And kill

11:15 PM

Didn't work still stuck on blank screen

11:16 PM

Does usb net need setting u peach time?

Sigh me vm is crashing

PassiveAggressor

Does usb net need setting u peach time?

this sentence doesnt make sense

PassiveAggressor

Didn't work still stuck on blank screen

use htop and look for xorg processes

The answer is yes

11:29 PM

I must set it up each time

11:30 PM

Oh x org I was looking for vnc

ignore the time, doesnt matter

Do i put inside the kobo file or the kobo/kobo file

/kobo/qtfile

Do i make a new folder?

11:46 PM

There's no folder called that

I just... cant

11:47 PM

after you log in via ssh, you are in /root

11:47 PM

the kobo folder is in /kobo

There's no folder called qt file I mean

Szybet

Qt:

this is the qt file

11:50 PM

read once more what i wrote you

11:50 PM

apart from that, goodnight

Ah okay got it thank you sir

Okay where is the 3rd kobo back end file supposed to go? In the Linux machine or the kobo?

12:12 AM

I'll try again tmr

Szybet

then in the second terminal execute the kobo backend, you need in it adjust arguments about ip address to your pc

.

Help us port Kobo Libra 2 to InkBox by bothering kobo on twitter: https://x.com/wuarju/status/1757847825361121383?s=20

wuarju (@wuarju) on X

@kobo I have tried getting this resolved with support for a month now. When will the linux kernel sources be released for the various revisions of the Kobo Libra 2. This is a violation of the GNU General Public License.

I w just realised tux Linux original one is 2 fps cap

8:40 PM

No wonder

8:42 PM

I read ur one, what your doing is pre processing and then sending screenshot

yep

8:50 PM

and showing it using qt

8:50 PM

its really dumb, could be improved

Does bigger screen need bigger processor?

nope

8:51 PM

in my example the bottleneck was taking the screenshot and converting it

No I mean for general use

8:52 PM

Elisa has 2ghz quad core

no, not really

Nia has single core 1ghz

elisa is just newer

8:52 PM

nia is just budget device

I c

@tux-linux y did u for your kndv, limit fps to 2?

9:47 PM

Also does fbink determine which waveform is best when printing?

a bit

Like what does auto mean

look up the code

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@Szybet can you write up detailed step by step instructions for the kobo screen mirror, also how do I force fbink to do partial update of image? Fbink - - help doesn't say much

8:23 PM

But in the code there is partial update I see it

8:24 PM

And I notice what you're doing scrot, and dither

8:25 PM

I wonder if find diff between two images and sending only the diff would help

PassiveAggressor

@Szybet can you write up detailed step by step instructions for the kobo screen mirror, also how do I force fbink to do partial update of image? Fbink - - help doesn't say much

i have written it already

8:25 PM

you can summurise it and i will repair what you have written wrong

PassiveAggressor

I wonder if find diff between two images and sending only the diff would help

nope

PassiveAggressor

@Szybet can you write up detailed step by step instructions for the kobo screen mirror, also how do I force fbink to do partial update of image? Fbink - - help doesn't say much

--norefresh

8:27 PM

https://github.com/NiLuJe/FBInk/blob/master/CLI.md

FBInk/CLI.md at master · NiLuJe/FBInk

FrameBuffer eInker, a small tool & library to print text & images to an eInk Linux framebuffer - NiLuJe/FBInk

Also how come in your code I don't see any FBink commands?

I use qt which uses qt platform plugin

8:29 PM

in platform plugin is fbink used

8:29 PM

and you shouldnt want to look there

8:29 PM

you wont understand anything and there is no reason to look there

8:29 PM

scary place

Weren't you encouraging me to learn?

learn in order

KOBO_MIRROR_BACKENDKOBO

2.04 MB

KOBO_MIRROR_HOST

7.25 MB

KOBO_MIRROR_QT_FRONTEND

37.1 KB

I tried at the beginning to modify qtpa and i couldn't, after i have written sanki I could do something learn in order

Okay so I SCP kobo screen mirror reverse, which is now named qt frontend into the /kobo/kobo file

8:32 PM

And then run the chroot command in the kobo ssh shell

you renamed the wrong file probably

Szybet

Qt:

this is qt, oh actually its fine

No I renamed it so it would be easier to remember which one is which the front end is 37kb

1

go on

Run chroot in /kobo/kobo file

8:33 PM

Connect usbnet

wrong

Execute back end in the chroot Ed folder /kobo (edited)

8:34 PM

you propably need to rotate the screen via echo 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/rotate something like that, maybe its 0 2 3 not 1, you need to try a few times

8:34 PM

before it kill inkbox with killall inkbox inkbox-bin

8:34 PM

Then env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/onboard/.adds/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo/lib QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo ./thisappqt May need to change file permissions to execute. (edited)

8:35 PM

At which point I start the host file using? Nothing it's a binary just run it

chroot /kobo

Yknow I was gonna pay you 10usd to get you to write an idiot proof instruction set but when I checked PayPal it was only tux liinux

Szybet

chroot /kobo

this is the command

PassiveAggressor

Yknow I was gonna pay you 10usd to get you to write an idiot proof instruction set but when I checked PayPal it was only tux liinux

you could just ask me for it

I see the qt platform fbink now

well maybe later you can donate, not resolve this issue

Szybet

chroot /kobo

this command is correct

So it's not chroot /kobo/kobo but chroot /kobo

PassiveAggressor

And then run the chroot command in the kobo ssh shell

its not an ssh shell, you entered a different env

Okay what's ur paypal

PassiveAggressor

So it's not chroot /kobo/kobo but chroot /kobo

yes

8:38 PM

accept pm

PassiveAggressor

Yknow I was gonna pay you 10usd to get you to write an idiot proof instruction set but when I checked PayPal it was only tux liinux

you can send it to me and it will go to inkbox fund

8:52 PM

we have a fund to port new devices and stuff

There's an 8 dollar fee for friends and family??

no

8:52 PM

?

8:52 PM

what

There si for me to send via friends and family, damn yea I m gonna send via non freidbs and family

you dont have to if you dont want to

tux-linux

you can send it to me and it will go to inkbox fund

yea whatever really, but he if he wants he can

8:53 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

PassiveAggressor

There's an 8 dollar fee for friends and family??

make sure you send it in your currency and not in mine

I also can't send usd I live in nz I didn't know that. Well I was going to do so as a carrot to get help, but I was getting help anyway so carrot be done

you dont need to send usd

8:54 PM

send your currency

at your will we always try to help when we can

whatever, your decission

with or without money

8:54 PM

obviously

8:54 PM

otherwise this project wouldnt exist

I could maybe find some time in weekend to add / change things in the mirror project if you wanted as a feature request for that donation

No what I want is for the project to be noob friendly

we understand

hmm, the thing you are trying to do is in demo soo... yea

A tech less person is unlikely to venture down this far

8:56 PM

I mean for InkBox as well

8:56 PM

But still, Foss spread wide and far need be noob friebdly

PassiveAggressor

No what I want is for the project to be noob friendly

you making docs is making it noob friendly, so thats cool

but what do you want to do exactly

8:56 PM

is it the vnc thing

Szybet

you making docs is making it noob friendly, so thats cool

yes

Also consider that my thanks for all the help I've recieved so far

paypall arrived, yea thank you too

8:59 PM

lets make the screen mirror work now ;p

Since it would save me from buying a 600nzd e ink monitor

yea

maybe you will still want to buy it

8:59 PM

ereader refresh rate is not the same as an eink display

tux-linux

maybe you will still want to buy it

waste of money

tux-linux

ereader refresh rate is not the same as an eink display

not really

9:00 PM

just eink technology

9:00 PM

progress in time

https://discord.com/channels/809205711778480158/830961435122991155/1075979177536266282

9:00 PM

this is kinda fast

9:00 PM

and its a $800 eink tablet

9:00 PM

but still

yes it's newer

tux-linux

and its a $800 eink tablet

800 for a tablet or 600 for a screen

9:01 PM

thats my point

9:01 PM

whatever really

The vnc that shipped with inkbox was blazing fast

9:07 PM

For my speeds

~~the point of eink makes it not needed speeds~~

I mean just to see the cursor moving around was enough, that's usable

9:09 PM

Also I'd rather buy an e ink monitor than a tablet, seems more useful that way

a tablet can be a monitor anyway, but is still a tablet

PassiveAggressor

The vnc that shipped with inkbox was blazing fast

hm ok

9:11 PM

i think we might have different definitions of fast

9:11 PM

but good if it suits you

PassiveAggressor

I mean just to see the cursor moving around was enough, that's usable

did you know its touch as well

9:11 PM

i think

9:11 PM

im impressed you managed to connect

9:11 PM

i didnt even know if this thing was still working

it crashed 2 seconds after

not for me

9:12 PM

oh for him

9:12 PM

well, idk

9:12 PM

i used it on a touch n905b

9:12 PM

mainly

Er wait about the fbink option b - - no refresh only update frame buffer don't e ink

9:13 PM

Refresh e ink

Is that how you do fast partial updates? For me I thought I meant no refresh at all

i dont remember what that one does

what are you doing with fbink?

partial updates is only refreshing an area of the screen

It notes it's useful when batch drawing whatever that means

9:14 PM

I was tinkering with tux Linux es original 'vnc' viewer

9:14 PM

Scp and http

nah, use mine

I realised you capped fps at 2

its better

It probably is but the code there in tuxs I can understand

9:15 PM

So I was just tryna play

not worth it

Learn*

11:14 PM

What causes fbink to error?

11:14 PM

Is it because file has not been written yet?

11:14 PM

Or updating too fast and can't decode

PassiveAggressor

Is it because file has not been written yet?

Probably

11:20 PM

Or both

Hmm

11:30 PM

Where is the 3rd kobo backend file supposed to go? Anywhere I'm guessing

PassiveAggressor

Then env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/onboard/.adds/qt-linux-5.15.2-kobo/lib QT_QPA_PLATFORM=kobo ./thisappqt May need to change file permissions to execute. (edited)

This command, kobo screen mirror reverse permission denied

11:38 PM

Okay I got past that hurdle

11:38 PM

Chmod u+x

11:38 PM

11:39 PM

Oh hello there

11:39 PM

11:43 PM

At the end of the day I put both the qt file and kobo backend in the same kobo folder

11:43 PM

Which is kobo/kobo

11:43 PM

Couldn't scp it into the original one

I'm again unsure which kobo file is supposed to be chrooted

11:55 PM

Becahse chroot /kobo chroot the kobo/kobo dir

Okay extra instructions I didn't know was on the host machine you do ./file to execute it

12:10 AM

Okay to execute the kobo backend you also do. /

12:12 AM

I think I did it

12:12 AM

12:14 AM

I will make a guide...

Or just finish the app

2:06 PM

Because fuck school

or continue toreader

Something for 3 hours of work

2:07 PM

Not 2 weeks

ok np

2:08 PM

maybe implement a better telemetry server

2:08 PM

https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/telemetry if you want

GitHub - Kobo-InkBox/telemetry

Contribute to Kobo-InkBox/telemetry development by creating an account on GitHub.

2:08 PM

since you dont like node

2:09 PM

the latest dev build of inkbox can send data

2:09 PM

you just need to set a working url

is that just http post json?

pretty much

I will rewrite it in rust

2:46 PM

before the next release

ok

2:46 PM

np

2:46 PM

just ensure it still works with inkbox code

12:48 AM

rust lies under the hood.

12:49 AM

what is this

I had an idea, nickel menu add item, ssh pass into PC, start python server. Run bash loop, sshpass scrot file I.png, curl ip/'$i'.png, fbink i.png

12:59 AM

Solves the problem of the fbink failing bc of overwriting file, I think

1:00 AM

And Le process is started from the kobo rather than the pc

tux-linux

what is this

rust ss library

1:08 AM

it just calls gnome ss which is 2s slow

yudilee joined the server. 2/17/2024 3:08 AM

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Hi

3:19 AM

is kobo libra is supported by Inkbox

3:19 AM

i see in video Inkbox running on kobo libra but cannot found guide to install it

yudilee

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mintpilo joined the server. 2/17/2024 3:57 AM

yudilee

is kobo libra is supported by Inkbox

Yes, but it's very hacky to install

Enrico joined the server. 2/17/2024 9:28 AM

Enrico

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How active is this project still?

5:12 PM

I've been keeping a eye on it vaguely ever since I saw a mobileread thread for it

We are two students

5:14 PM

So it's as active as we can make it

With some loose contributions from others it seems? Or at least idk, it seems you guys have a healthy habit of urging people to contribute if they can from what I've seen

Yes

5:16 PM

But we are mainly only two

5:16 PM

Most people give up on the way

Which I guess sometimes is a helpful reminder, easy to forget for projects you use everyday, that you can always contribute if you can

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5:17 PM

I would if I had the hardware to spare

Sometimes after 2 minutes or 2 months

The kobo I use regularly isn't mine, and idk if I would want to tinker with a device that I want to like actually use

5:20 PM

If I were to consider my own, probably a clara 2e, though there isn't a port yet, but I've seen in a few places, here and the github that it was suggested that it's not too different from the nia model a? Might be an easy port?

might

Well yeah, that's the keyword (edited)

5:22 PM

I don't know much anyway, I know my way around Linux and I know how to compile a kernel

5:24 PM

Also as I understand the later kobo models have a soldered on micro sd, right?

5:25 PM

How does flashing that work, if necessary

5:29 PM

At least, the libra h20 does, the current model I use, but it isn't mine, though the person who is sharing it with me, my partner, also shares my curiosity, but I'd feel wrong poking around with this model particularly... and with the soldered storage, that might be a bit riskier

It depends on the kobo

5:33 PM

Libra 2 has a microsd

5:33 PM

The install process for emmc models is somewhat complicated and dangerous

I can imagine

mintpilo

If I were to consider my own, probably a clara 2e, though there isn't a port yet, but I've seen in a few places, here and the github that it was suggested that it's not too different from the nia model a? Might be an easy port?

yes

5:45 PM

for 90%

Constoush joined the server. 2/17/2024 8:18 PM

Hello ! I would like some infos on kobox as the link to download the nickel compatible version is down, I downloaded the other version. Does it not support nickel ? Can I build it myself to include nickel support ? Thanks !

8:20 PM

I wanted to use Koreader on it

hi, sorry, inkbox doesnt support nickel since mid-2021 because it kind of outgrew the initial concepts i made it for so it's a full operating system now

8:26 PM

you can install koreader on it

8:26 PM

closed-source nickel support is not really the point of an open-source os

Oh nice then, just flashed my SD card, how would I install ko reader

8:27 PM

Oh, didn't know about that, makes a lot of sense

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what device do you have

The aura edition 2 v1

8:32 PM

~~Can't seem to get WiFi to work too, even if checked in the menu, nothing happens~~ nevermind a reboot fixed it (edited)

10:49 PM

This won't be faster

This is impressive

it doesn't skip any scene in the fastest sequence

10:51 PM

the colors could be better as for not so much "agitation" localised ghosting but I can't find an option to control it (edited)

My god

10:51 PM

Poor eink

10:51 PM

But good job

10:51 PM

Please make this an userapp

tux-linux

Poor eink

tux-linux

Please make this an userapp

in a few months

hm ok

do you want to upload it to yt

do you want i post it on yt

10:53 PM

lmao

hehe

10:54 PM

I can eassly watch films on it

10:54 PM

even read the subtitles

same gh link?

same

10:54 PM

if i rename it gh will handle the old links

https://github.com/Szybet/kobo-screen-mirror-reverse this one?

GitHub - Szybet/kobo-screen-mirror-reverse

Contribute to Szybet/kobo-screen-mirror-reverse development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:55 PM

you didnt push changes

now

10:57 PM

yes

your video is too short

10:59 PM

it has uploaded as a yt short

10:59 PM

not sure you want that

the fuck

10:59 PM

-_-

i will remove it

stupid ut

10:59 PM

yt

10:59 PM

how long does it need to be

more than 1m i think

10:59 PM

1 minute

11:00 PM

maybe you could send more high res too

11:00 PM

since the one i have is pretty horrible

sharpness kicked in at the end of the video

11:00 PM

let me do a better demo then

11:04 PM

sended it on matrix because discord and size limitations

11:04 PM

if its still bad tell me, i will disable compression then

ok

11:06 PM

i cant download it now

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

11:11 PM

mir_kobo_host

11.44 MB

11:11 PM

mir_kobo_kobo_reverse_backend

2.01 MB

11:11 PM

qt:

kobo-screen-mirror-reverse

49.46 KB

i downloaded the video

cool, I wait

11:12 PM

I want to update the readme too

11:12 PM

@PassiveAggressor I updated the project, It's now a fast boi, look at the videos

11:13 PM

a "not so fast but grey and text friendly" in the future tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqquXvsR1Q